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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: KCJackie on June 19, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: alagary on June 19, 2011, 10:49:42 AM
Probably been posted before but interesting backround article on JP;
http://www.orlandomagazine.com/Orlando-Magazine/April-2011/Order-in-His-Court/
Thanks for posting alagary! Great article!
Could you imagine the fireworks if Mason slipped and called him junior like all his family does
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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No mention of Rodriguez in this current brochure from UT.
http://web.utk.edu/~fac/pdf/FAC_brochure.pdf
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Anthropological Research Facility
The Research Facility, opened at its present location in 1980 by Dr. William M. Bass, provides an ideal setting to scientifically document postmortem change. This outdoor field laboratory enables the investigation of parameters which are crucial in time since death estimates. Donated remains make this research possible and simultaneously provide a modern osteological teaching and research collection. Please contact Dr. Lee Meadows Jantz regarding use of this facility.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18/11
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Quote from: flamom on June 18, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
Janet, LKB joined 12/11/08
I think the day she joined along with bug boy says it all!!!!!
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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That's "funny" about the edition about Rodriguez on Wiki. Remember when Baez made a big production when he had Dr. Vass on the stand about Wiki having him identified as a chemist in the bio on Wiki? Dr. Vass said he didn't even know about Wiki or anything about that ......wonder if "somebody" added that in order to imply Dr. Vass was misrepresenting himself? Does it readily show edits or do you have to be a super sleuth like Klaas to figure it out?
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Quote from: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 01:00:47 PM
No mention of Rodriguez in this current brochure from UT.
http://web.utk.edu/~fac/pdf/FAC_brochure.pdf
::snipping2::
Anthropological Research Facility
The Research Facility, opened at its present location in 1980 by Dr. William M. Bass, provides an ideal setting to scientifically document postmortem change. This outdoor field laboratory enables the investigation of parameters which are crucial in time since death estimates. Donated remains make this research possible and simultaneously provide a modern osteological teaching and research collection. Please contact Dr. Lee Meadows Jantz regarding use of this facility.
::snipping2::
Here is a snippet from a Newsweek 2010 article that references Rodriguez as an alumni of the Body Farm, not a cofounder.
http://www.newsweek.com/2000/10/22/down-on-the-body-farm.html
Body Farm alumni have probed many of the world's trouble spots. William Rodriguez, chief deputy for special investigations with the U.S. Armed Forces Medical Examiner in Washington, D.C., led the U.S. medical team into Kosovo just after last year's armistice. It looked at 300 victims from two different regions and provided the War Crimes Tribunal with evidence for the initial indictments against Slobodan Milosevic. "Most of the remains were in an advanced state of decomposition," says Rodriguez, who earned his Ph.D. from UT in 1984 and remains in weekly contact with his mentor Bass.
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A student is hardly a co-founder.
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Quote from: OriginalKat on June 19, 2011, 07:13:58 AM
Great information you guys have found on Body Farm. I found a place with to me is "unreliable" that states he was co-founder but consider the source. You info is so much reliable.
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm
" It was first started in late 1981 by anthropologists William M. Bass and Bill Rodriguez ..."
I guess we can figure who gave the info on that.
That has just been added because I looked it up on wiki last night and it was not there. Someone has added it since then. Of course anyone can add anything and unless someone disputes it, it stays. I am writing them to dispute it.
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2 questions. Did the state file a motion/complaint against Baez that CJBP said if they did he would consider sanctions/contempt against Baez at the end of the trial? Also, was Dr. Rodriqez on the witness list but his report wasn't entered or was he not on the list at all?
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: TURBOTHINK on June 19, 2011, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: OriginalKat on June 19, 2011, 07:13:58 AM
Great information you guys have found on Body Farm. I found a place with to me is "unreliable" that states he was co-founder but consider the source. You info is so much reliable.
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm
" It was first started in late 1981 by anthropologists William M. Bass and Bill Rodriguez ..."
I guess we can figure who gave the info on that.
That has just been added because I looked it up on wiki last night and it was not there. Someone has added it since then. Of course anyone can add anything and unless someone disputes it, it stays. I am writing them to dispute it.
Well, I'm sure we know who added this! One of the Dufense team.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: mizjay on June 19, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
That's "funny" about the edition about Rodriguez on Wiki. Remember when Baez made a big production when he had Dr. Vass on the stand about Wiki having him identified as a chemist in the bio on Wiki? Dr. Vass said he didn't even know about Wiki or anything about that ......wonder if "somebody" added that in order to imply Dr. Vass was misrepresenting himself? Does it readily show edits or do you have to be a super sleuth like Klaas to figure it out?
It readily shows edits but sometimes you have to wade thru years of edits to find what you are looking for. In the case of Rodriguez I waded thru about 7 years of edits. On a wiki page you can click on the HISTORY tab and that will show the HISTORY OF EDITS.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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I am so impressed by all of you.. I was thinking that maybe I was just paranoid about the Dr.. thanks to all of you for digging!!
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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The Wiki edit to the Body Farm wiki page for the Rodriguez entry was made by an IP in the Maryland area. Very possible that Rodriguez lives in that area. Just saying
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: klaasend on June 19, 2011, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: mizjay on June 19, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
That's "funny" about the edition about Rodriguez on Wiki. Remember when Baez made a big production when he had Dr. Vass on the stand about Wiki having him identified as a chemist in the bio on Wiki? Dr. Vass said he didn't even know about Wiki or anything about that ......wonder if "somebody" added that in order to imply Dr. Vass was misrepresenting himself? Does it readily show edits or do you have to be a super sleuth like Klaas to figure it out?
It readily shows edits but sometimes you have to wade thru years of edits to find what you are looking for. In the case of Rodriguez I waded thru about 7 years of edits. On a wiki page you can click on the HISTORY tab and that will show the HISTORY OF EDITS.
LOL...so I think the answer is....yes, you have to be a good and patient sleuth. I always suspect anything that comes out of jose's mouth, when he was all over Dr. Vass about that it immediately struck me odd, but that JB considers Wiki his official authority for info says a lot too!
Thanks.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: TURBOTHINK on June 19, 2011, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: OriginalKat on June 19, 2011, 07:13:58 AM
Great information you guys have found on Body Farm. I found a place with to me is "unreliable" that states he was co-founder but consider the source. You info is so much reliable.
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm
" It was first started in late 1981 by anthropologists William M. Bass and Bill Rodriguez ..."
I guess we can figure who gave the info on that.
That has just been added because I looked it up on wiki last night and it was not there. Someone has added it since then. Of course anyone can add anything and unless someone disputes it, it stays. I am writing them to dispute it.
Check it out now.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18/11
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Quote from: klaasend on June 18, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/node/723
Is Casey Anthony's Defense in Chaos?
Published June 17, 2011 | On the Record | On the Record
Special Guests: Attorneys Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams, Jim Hammer, Diana Tennis
video link
Thanks for the link Klaas.
I like Jim Hammer as a legal analyst. But I always thought the affable Bernie Grimm and the grammatically challenged Ted Williams were two of the weakest legal analysts on television ... dating all the way back to the early stages of the Natalee Holloway case.
So you can imagine my surprise when I saw them on a Fox News panel once again b/c I would have thought that Fox News would have decided not to renew their contracts years ago.
Then this is further exacerbated by using Dr. Baden as an unchallenged expert when he and his wife have ties to the defense team.
I tell you who had a good (and balanced) show on Fox News ... it was Jeanine Pirro. Her two hour special on Saturday was very well done.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: Red on June 19, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 01:00:47 PM
No mention of Rodriguez in this current brochure from UT.
http://web.utk.edu/~fac/pdf/FAC_brochure.pdf
::snipping2::
Anthropological Research Facility
The Research Facility, opened at its present location in 1980 by Dr. William M. Bass, provides an ideal setting to scientifically document postmortem change. This outdoor field laboratory enables the investigation of parameters which are crucial in time since death estimates. Donated remains make this research possible and simultaneously provide a modern osteological teaching and research collection. Please contact Dr. Lee Meadows Jantz regarding use of this facility.
::snipping2::
Here is a snippet from a Newsweek 2010 article that references Rodriguez as an alumni of the Body Farm, not a cofounder.
http://www.newsweek.com/2000/10/22/down-on-the-body-farm.html
Body Farm alumni have probed many of the world's trouble spots. William Rodriguez, chief deputy for special investigations with the U.S. Armed Forces Medical Examiner in Washington, D.C., led the U.S. medical team into Kosovo just after last year's armistice. It looked at 300 victims from two different regions and provided the War Crimes Tribunal with evidence for the initial indictments against Slobodan Milosevic. "Most of the remains were in an advanced state of decomposition," says Rodriguez, who earned his Ph.D. from UT in 1984 and remains in weekly contact with his mentor Bass.
::snipping2::
A student is hardly a co-founder.
He was an undergraduate student at that. He did not get his BA until 1981 after it was started.
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OK, I am rewatching Dr Rod's testimony and I am getting the feeling that he was bounced from the Body Farm.....he sees himself as a founder.. building it by pouring concrete and putting up fences, writing the first paper.. so why did he leave? bitter? unrecognized? ego driven and felt he was underecognized?
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Quote from: alagary on June 19, 2011, 10:49:42 AM
Probably been posted before but interesting backround article on JP;
http://www.orlandomagazine.com/Orlando-Magazine/April-2011/Order-in-His-Court/
thanks, this is a good article and I had not seen it before. So many great points about the judge and the man.....many thing stuck out....but this one glowed for me...
There is the possibility that the Anthony defense traded a merciful judge for a hanging judge.
“When I did my recusal letter and talked about
‘irony,’ it was meant in many respects,” Strickland says, declining to elaborate.
The irony may very well have been that the defense pushed out a judge who, as a devout Catholic, may be morally opposed to the death sentence.
When asked specifically whether he is capable of sentencing another human being to death, Strickland pleads the fifth. “I just don’t think I’m ready to answer that. There are judges that are more inclined to give it than others. Let’s leave it at that.”
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Quote from: klaasend on June 19, 2011, 01:22:13 PM
The Wiki edit to the Body Farm wiki page for the Rodriguez entry was made by an IP in the Maryland area. Very possible that Rodriguez lives in that area. Just saying
Rodriguez, William C., III, Ph.D.,
No. 40 Office of the Armed Force Medical Examiner
1413 Research Boulevard, Bldg. 102
Rockville, MD 20850
E-mail:
william.c.rodriguez1@us.army.mil
(301) 319-0000
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 22- 6/18 - 6/19/11
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Quote from: Red on June 19, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 01:00:47 PM
No mention of Rodriguez in this current brochure from UT.
http://web.utk.edu/~fac/pdf/FAC_brochure.pdf
::snipping2::
Anthropological Research Facility
The Research Facility, opened at its present location in 1980 by Dr. William M. Bass, provides an ideal setting to scientifically document postmortem change. This outdoor field laboratory enables the investigation of parameters which are crucial in time since death estimates. Donated remains make this research possible and simultaneously provide a modern osteological teaching and research collection. Please contact Dr. Lee Meadows Jantz regarding use of this facility.
::snipping2::
Here is a snippet from a Newsweek 2010 article that references Rodriguez as an alumni of the Body Farm, not a cofounder.
http://www.newsweek.com/2000/10/22/down-on-the-body-farm.html
Body Farm alumni have probed many of the world's trouble spots. William Rodriguez, chief deputy for special investigations with the U.S. Armed Forces Medical Examiner in Washington, D.C., led the U.S. medical team into Kosovo just after last year's armistice. It looked at 300 victims from two different regions and provided the War Crimes Tribunal with evidence for the initial indictments against Slobodan Milosevic. "Most of the remains were in an advanced state of decomposition," says Rodriguez, who earned his Ph.D. from UT in 1984 and remains in weekly contact with his mentor Bass.
::snipping2::
A student is hardly a co-founder.
Thanks Red!
I agree, "A student is hardly a co-founder."
I have yet to find anything where Dr. Bass acknowledges Dr. Rodriguez as a co-founder.
Hopefully Jeff Ashton and his colleagues got the same hinkey feeling about this guy as we all did, and have done their research as well to set him straight on Monday.
The truth, the whole truth, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, Dr. Rodriguez!
::justice2NJ::
From all my reading and research on Dr. Bass, he seems like a genuinely kind person. I've been wondering (if he's asked), if he would give Dr. Rodriguez credit...even if it's not due...just to save him the embarrassment that his impeachment on this issue would cause.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: TURBOTHINK on June 19, 2011, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: TURBOTHINK on June 19, 2011, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: OriginalKat on June 19, 2011, 07:13:58 AM
Great information you guys have found on Body Farm. I found a place with to me is "unreliable" that states he was co-founder but consider the source. You info is so much reliable.
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm
" It was first started in late 1981 by anthropologists William M. Bass and Bill Rodriguez ..."
I guess we can figure who gave the info on that.
That has just been added because I looked it up on wiki last night and it was not there. Someone has added it since then. Of course anyone can add anything and unless someone disputes it, it stays. I am writing them to dispute it.
Check it out now.
Awesome Turbothink for showing how easy it is to do.
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=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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