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« Reply #220 on: March 20, 2008, 07:34:55 PM »

Nu we toch met foto's bezig zijn !

foto 1 is een vrij bekende foto
foto 2 is een google shot
 
Op foto 2 zie je dat er naast het huis van vd sloot nu 2 ( of 3 )  nieuwe
huizen staan .
waneer zijn deze gebouwd ?
waneer zijn ze met de eerste werkzaamheden begonnen ? beton storten enzo !
weet iemand hier iets van ?


foto 2 zoals het nu is
 


The real photo is #2.  The photo above was photoshopped (and neighbors' house removed).  Klaas probably even has the date.  The "real" photo showed the monkey cage (that Fox and Greta talked about) then poof.  There was ALOT of photshopping on RU!!!
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« Reply #221 on: March 20, 2008, 07:54:07 PM »

Hallo Johan! Here is the original pic that was untouched and not photoshopped.

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« Reply #222 on: March 20, 2008, 09:58:45 PM »

I do not know the date of the photoshopping but the first time I saw the photoshopped pic was on the Judicial Inc site.  I have no idea who or why it would have been photoshopped.

I thought I'd post this photo too as reference:

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« Reply #223 on: March 21, 2008, 04:45:52 AM »

THANKS YES I SEE IT
There are 2 pics on  the Judicial Inc site
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« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2008, 03:50:05 AM »

Zembla gezien over de mediums ? Char etc .
Die vielen allemaal door de mand !
Hoe nu te denken over Dan Young en Kelly Castillo ?
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« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2008, 09:16:37 AM »

Zembla gezien over de mediums ? Char etc .
Die vielen allemaal door de mand !
Hoe nu te denken over Dan Young en Kelly Castillo ?

Ja, geweldig. Maar ik geloof daar sowieso al niet zo in (niet in die mate in ieder geval) dus er was bij mij weinig om mee door de mand te vallen Wink.

Kun jij wellicht van Englich English maken? Staat een beetje knullig en ik weet zo niet hoe ik dat zou moeten doen....en jij bent 't gestart dus wellicht heb jij meer privileges.
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« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2008, 01:43:45 PM »

ja stom he zag het ook later pas ha ha
kan zelf niks veranderen ,maar zal het vragen
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« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2008, 01:47:31 PM »

ja stom he zag het ook later pas ha ha
kan zelf niks veranderen ,maar zal het vragen

Weet jij toevallig iets van Bram Moszkowicz die bij Jensen te gast zou zijn een tijdje geleden? Hij is nooit op komen dagen? Wink
Hij zou toch ook binnen 2 weken laten weten hoe of wat en daarna is er nooit meer wat van vernomen...wellicht is er wat aan de hand qua onderzoek?
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« Reply #228 on: March 25, 2008, 06:09:06 AM »

Goh Renee Gielen leest hier ook mee
Ze gelooft zo heilig in de bevindingen van de kwakzalvers
Dan Young en Kelly Castillo.

Er is net een programma geweest over mediums
ze werken allemaal voor de cia ,fbi en voor justitie ha ha
hier is de uitzending te zien  http://zembla.vara.nl/
luister en huiver !
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« Reply #229 on: March 25, 2008, 04:11:12 PM »

Van der Sloot  is rijp voor het faillissement.
Even dacht hij als een OJ Simpson te kunnen cashen met het schrijven van een ontlastend boek over de zaak, maar die strategie is mislukt. Waar OJ Simpson nooit een bekentenis heeft afgelegd (ten hoogste een vage als-dan variant), is Joran de regie over zijn kennis kwijt. Zijn voorkennis is van iedereen en dus nauwelijks meer van waarde. Het enige dat hij nog kan doen is een boek schrijven met de totale waarheid en die biecht verkopen voor een paar miljoen euro. Zijn gehaaide poging om geld te willen verdienen aan een 'dikke schadevergoeding' lijkt met zijn optreden nu bijna uitgesloten. En terecht. De vrije markt heeft geen geweten, maar met gewetenloosheid ben je nog geen winnaar op de vrije markt.
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« Reply #230 on: March 25, 2008, 04:13:22 PM »

Where is our girl Katrien and Letsgetthissolved? We miss you guys!
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« Reply #231 on: March 25, 2008, 04:36:07 PM »

Een amerikaanse vrouw schrijft ,als reactie op de beweringen van Renee Gielen:

Het “speurdersduo” (Dan en Kelly )is waarschijnlijk door de ouders van Joran ingehuurd. Natalie had een perfecte 4.0 G.P.A. grade point average ( Gymansium niveau), ik ben zelf Amerikaanse ( trouwens excuses voor alle spel-fouten) en ik weet dat het onmogelijk is om een 4.0 ( 10 gemiddleld) te halen als je een “junk” bent. Het is ook niet dat High School in America makkelijker is dan de Middelbare school hier in Nederland. Heel triest dat deze vrouw wil haar zo naar beneden wil halen. Ik denk zelf dat hij heeft GHB in haar drankje gedaan en daardoor is zij met hem meegegaan. Ik vind het ook heel hypocriet van mensen ( juist in Nederland!) om te zeggen dat zij “geen heilige boontje” was alleen omdat zij heeft alcohol gedronken op school reis ( wie doet dat niet een keer????). Waarom moeten Nederlanders (sommige althans) alleen maar sympathie hebben voor de dader en niet voor de slachtoffer?

Een Belgische vrouw :
Als ze in en afkickcentrum heeft gezeten, moeten er toch ergens bewijzen van zijn?
En vlak voor haar reisje naar Aruba heeft ze haar diploma gekregen. En volgens mij moet je daar net zoals iedereen examens voor afleggen, hoe kan zij dat doen vanuit een instelling?
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« Reply #232 on: March 26, 2008, 04:52:09 PM »


WHAT DOES FREDDIE KNOW?



Several references have been made by suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway about the knowledge of another suspect - Freddie Alexander Arambatzis.

There have been references made regarding Freddie about Joran's shoes, Natalee remaining "passed out", a camera, and Freddie knowing "the truth".

...the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May told Freddy the storyabout the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy also that “they” went into panic when Natalee remained “passed out”!

Statement
Freddy Zedan
June 12th 2005

The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.
He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Freddie was brought to the van der Sloot home after he spoke with Aruban authorities in the early days of this investigation. He was grilled by Joran's parents as to what he told police regarding their son, and Natalee Holloway.

Freddie states that Joran told him they had left Natalee at the beach, while at the same time Joran was still telling authorities he and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had left Natalee at the Holiday Inn.

Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 18, 2005

“I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. After that he came back one time and and he spoke with Joran's lawyer, his parents, me and my wife were also present. My wife and myself were very crushed/saddened/injured and angry at Joran for apparently not telling us the truth.
My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran about this. According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth.

Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was saying. Only at the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning. My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddy's statements. That night we were going to have a meeting with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer.
I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible.

JORAN'S BOOK
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Freddy after his June 12 statement:

(Joran) That night Freddy, per request of my mother, visited, to tell everything.

Freddy's parents are coming along, because they do not find it a good idea that Freddy goes alone. Besides my father Paul and my mother Anita. My lawyer Anthony Carlo is also present at our home per request of my mother. My mother asks Freddy to tell everything again.

Freddy: I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes. I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran. Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as in amazed).
Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes behind.
Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably left them behind because of that.
Freddy tells the beach story again that I would have told him on Monday May 30. Carlo in between asks questions all the time.
Freddy: I felt he asked me those things because he thought that me as a good friend of Joran could understand why he had done these things. I do not believe he asked those questions because he thought Joran would have told me, because he repeated every time: Why do you think that?
My father does not ask Freddy anything, but he does react on Freddy's answers to my mother. He says: why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us that? My mother had promised the conversation would last 10 minutes max, but after half an hour Freddy's father gets up.
My parents did not agree with Joran's parents having invited me, Freddy says.
After Carlo had called the head officer for permission to visit me, he confronts me with what Freddy had said. I immediately admitted I had lied and that Freddy was telling the truth.

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sneakers/sport shoes that night. If you search/investigate his home then you will see that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he had theft them on the beach. To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone. To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 30, 2005

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following: Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005

On your question who Joran's best friend is: Freddy Zedan is Joran’s best friend. Freddy knew about the invented Holiday Inn and the tale which my brother and I and Joran told and that the missing girl was dropped off at the beach at the Marriott. My brother Deepak had told me that he and Joran invented the tale but to Freddy the beach tale was told. I thought that stunk, because I was not aware Freddy was told the beach tale. (note: tale does not necessarily mean lie, could mean story).

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing. ...the second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja. I do not remember his house number. We had bought food and we then we went to Joran’s apartment afterwards. According to me Freddy was informed then already about the missing girl. We may have spoken some about the missing girl, it is possible but I don’t remember. You ask me if I was scared when we were talking with Freddy about the missing girl. It is possible that I don’t remember. I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.

Wednesday June 22, 2005
While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows

Deepak and Satish are being questioned in Orangestad at the same time and are transported back to KIA along with Joran in a minivan.
The following conversation is recorded:

Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, f*** you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your father. You know it. That he wasn't arrested.

Freddie himself was detained by authorities in this case - and then subsequently released.

Diana Emerencia - Freddy's attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005


Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

*Did Freddie have involvement in Natalee's disappearance?
* What "truth" does Freddie know that could shed light on the circumstances surrounding this tragic crime?
* Why did the Kalpoe brothers need to give a camera to Freddy?
* What sort of history regarding similar crimes do Freddie and Joran share?
* Why did Paulus and Anita need to find out what Freddy told police?
* Has Freddie told Aruban authorities all he knows about what happened to Natalee Holloway?

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« Reply #233 on: March 26, 2008, 06:22:41 PM »

Judge Jacob "Bob" Wit and his good friend Paulus !



Jacob “Bob” Wit was the judge present at the van der Sloot property on June 15, 2005 who reduced the scope of that search to only the apartment occupied by Joran van der Sloot. His actions that day lead us to wonder why he would risk his career by aiding his good friend, Paulus. Why did Justice Wit wait for the prosecutor at the van der Sloot home to limit her search areas? Why didn’t he simply make that ruling from the bench in the courtroom? Why did he feel the need to do that from the van der Sloot home?

Justice Wit is a judge for the Caribbean Court of Justice. As such, he has a stringent Code of Ethics he must follow at all times – both in and outside the courtroom, as you will read below.What could his relationship with Paulus van der Sloot have provided this judge in order for him to put his career on the line?

This is a short list of the Code of Ethics Justice Wit obviously violated.

We wonder if the Caribbean Court of Justice is aware of Justice Wit’s actions?

Propriety

This code was violated by Wit as seen by his presence at the van der Sloot home prior to the searchers arriving. Both Ben (Voc)King and Paulus van der Sloot are members of the legal profession.

1.3 A judge shall avoid close personal association with individual members of the legal profession, particularly those who practice in the judge’s court, where such association might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of favoritism or partiality.

Justice Wit used not his home, but that of a suspect in a criminal investigation as a meeting place for himself, said suspect, and a prosecution official.

1.4 A judge shall avoid the use of the judge’s residence by a member of the legal profession to receive clients or other members of the legal profession in circumstances that might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of impropriety on the part of the judge.

Was there any official reason given, in writing, for Wit’s verbal order at the van der Sloot home for curbing the areas of the search? Or did he merely do this to help his friend Paulus?

1.9 A judge shall not allow the judge’s family, social or other relationships improperly to influence the judge’s judicial conduct and judgment as a judge.

Was the mere presence of Justice Wit at the van der Sloot property enough to dissuade Karin Janssen from arguing the merits of her search warrant granted by the Joint Court? Did Wit use the prestige of his office to intimidate the searchers?

1.10 A judge shall not use or lend the prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge, a member of the judge’s family or of anyone else, nor shall a judge permit others to convey the impression that anyone is in a special position improperly to influence the judge in the performance of judicial duties.

Integrity

Justice Wit’s conduct here was certainly not above reproach – as even the acting Chief of Police was distraught at the limits set by Wit on their search of the van der Sloot property.

3.1 A judge shall ensure that his or her conduct is above reproach in the view of reasonable, fair-minded and informed persons.

Wit’s actions assured that not only would justice not be done, but failed to even attempt to create the appearance of justice.

3.2 The bahaviour and conduct of a judge must reaffirm the people’s faith in the integrity of the judiciary. Justice must not merely be done but must also be seen to be done.

How could Justice Wit ever again require others to uphold this Code of Ethics, when he himself ignored them to aid his friend and colleague, Paulus van der Sloot?

3.3 A judge, in addition to observing personally the standards of this Code, shall encourage and support their observance by others.

Impartiality

By reducing the scope of the search of the property of his friend and colleague, Justice Wit blatantly disregarded all thoughts of bias, favour, and prejudice.

4.1 A judge shall perform his or her judicial duties without favour, bias or prejudice.

Not only did Justice Wit lose the confidence of the public with his curtailing of the search, he lost the confidence of the Aruban prosecutor, and law enforcement – as evidenced by the public statements made by Chief Dompig in October 2005.

4.2 A judge shall ensure that his or her conduct, both in and out of court, maintains and enhances the confidence of the public, the legal profession and litigants in the impartiality of the judge and of the judiciary.

Justice Wit should have disqualified and excused himself from making any rulings in this case, as his actions showed he was clearly unable to decide any matters in this case impartially.

4.5 A judge shall disqualify himself or herself from participating in any proceedings in which the judge is unable to decide the matter impartially or in which a reasonable, fair-minded and informed person might believe that the judge is unable to decide the matter impartially.

Paulus van der Sloot, being an attorney and a substitute Judge, continues to be a member of the same fraternal body as Justice Wit. This fact alone should have caused Justice Wit to disqualify himself from making any decisions in this case. They both served on the Joint Court at the same time.

4.5.1 A judge must be sensitive to the fact that fraternal bodies are shrouded in mystery and clothed with a perception of secrecy and of providing unconditional assistance to members in times of need, trouble and distress. Persons who are not members of such bodies are likely to conclude that a litigant, belonging to the same fraternal body as a judge, enjoys an unfair advantage. In such circumstances, it would be appropriate for a judge to disqualify himself or herself in any proceeding in which the impartiality of the judge might reasonably be questioned.

There has been no transparency regarding Justice Wit’s decision to limit the scope of the search. Quite the contrary. His actions even took the Prosecutor by surprise, as this decision by Wit was only made known to Janssen the day of the search, when she arrived to execute the warrant.

4.5.2 A judge should therefore recognize that transparency assists in combating corruption and suspicions, and he or she should encourage judicial colleagues and the court staff to assist in promoting the intrinsic merits of transparent conduct and infusing public confidence in the role, functions and operations of the court.

4.6 A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in any proceedings in which there might be a reasonable perception of a lack of impartiality of the judge including, but not limited to, instances where:

Did Justice Wit become aware that evidence could very well have been obtained through the forensic search of the van der Sloot home and property? Is that the reason he tied the hands of the Prosecutor?

4.6.1 The judge has actual bias or prejudice concerning a party or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceedings;

Equality

Did Justice Wit have discussions with Paulus van der Sloot, unbeknownst to the Prosecutor and law enforcement officials, that led him to understand the involvement of his friend in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

5.7 Without authority of law and notice to, and consent of, the parties and an opportunity to respond, a judge shall not engage independent, personal investigation of the facts of a case before him or her.

Accountability

7.1 Institutions and procedures for the implementation of this Code shall provide a publicly credible means for considering and determining complaints against judges. This is to be pursued without prejudice or hindrance to the universally recognized and hallowed principle of judicial independence.

7.2 By the very nature of their judicial office, judges are not, except in accordance with the law, accountable for their decisions to any organ or entity within the jurisdiction of the Caribbean Court of Justice or elsewhere, but are accountable for their conduct to institutions that are specifically established to implement and administer this Code.

7.3 The implementation of this Code shall take into account the legitimate needs of a judge, by reason of the nature of the judicial office, to be afforded protection from vexatious or unsubstantiated accusations and due process of law in the resolution of complaints against the judge.

We can’t help but wonder what the Caribbean Court of Justice would have to say about Justice Wit’s actions in the Holloway case.

Has the institution charged with implementing this Code been made aware of Justice Wit’s conduct?
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« Reply #234 on: March 28, 2008, 07:06:36 AM »

Het topic op Fok >  Natalee ( in the rebound ) is weer verplaatst voor de 4e keer en nauwelijks nog te vinden .
staat nu ergens bij Brave New world
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« Reply #235 on: March 28, 2008, 08:35:11 AM »

Het topic op Fok >  Natalee ( in the rebound ) is weer verplaatst voor de 4e keer en nauwelijks nog te vinden .
staat nu ergens bij Brave New world
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Ok; thanks voor de tip.
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« Reply #236 on: March 28, 2008, 08:54:45 AM »

danny is e eigenaar en heb hem stevig aangevallen en ze zien SM als concurentie denk ik
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« Reply #237 on: March 28, 2008, 05:07:50 PM »

nog een verdwijning op aruba

Sinds twee maanden is een Arubaanse jongeman compleet van de aardbodem verdwenen. Hij heet Vicenzo Tromp. Hij liep de deur uit in een korte broek en op slippers en is nooit meer teruggezien. Toen er een omroep kwam om te zoeken waren naast de SARFA vijf mensen komen opdagen. De familie heeft zelf bij elkaar een bedrag samengeschrapt als beloning mocht iemand hem vinden. Er wordt weinig tot niets hierover bericht. Het OM heeft een keer een persconferentie hierover gehouden. Het is maar dat men dit weet.

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« Reply #238 on: March 28, 2008, 05:29:52 PM »

nog een verdwijning op aruba

Sinds twee maanden is een Arubaanse jongeman compleet van de aardbodem verdwenen. Hij heet Vicenzo Tromp. Hij liep de deur uit in een korte broek en op slippers en is nooit meer teruggezien. Toen er een omroep kwam om te zoeken waren naast de SARFA vijf mensen komen opdagen. De familie heeft zelf bij elkaar een bedrag samengeschrapt als beloning mocht iemand hem vinden. Er wordt weinig tot niets hierover bericht. Het OM heeft een keer een persconferentie hierover gehouden. Het is maar dat men dit weet.

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« Reply #239 on: March 28, 2008, 06:27:44 PM »

his full name : jose manuel vicenzo tromp

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