Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 - 5/17/09

[Helen Back]

Did I clear the room AGAIN?   

Sorry, I will just shut up and read.

[Anna]

Venezuela Seizes Oil Installation From U.S.-Based Company


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519515,00.html


Meanwhile, Uncle Hugo is busy seizing all the oil companies in the region for himself, er--the State.

He already took several smaller American ones I think last year but now he is doing so much more openly with plans for more seizures as he gets around to it.

This is also a consideration when doing exploration in the area.

[Anna]

Did I clear the room AGAIN?  

Sorry, I will just shut up and read.

Helen,

You are not clearing the room.  We are here but I tend to agree with your comments and so have little to add.

It was the words of Kyle that raised the doubts as to the contents of the trap.  FBI can only test what is sent to them.  So now we are left to wonder because of the manner in which the contents were recovered by Aruban LE divers only.

I do have a problem thinking these divers would bag and tag seashells or crab parts.  I think they would be laughed off the team if they did that.

But am multitasking today and not posting much but is not because of content of discussion, just things I have to do today.

[hotping]

Venezuela Seizes Oil Installation From U.S.-Based Company


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519515,00.html


Meanwhile, Uncle Hugo is busy seizing all the oil companies in the region for himself, er--the State.

He already took several smaller American ones I think last year but now he is doing so much more openly with plans for more seizures as he gets around to it.

This is also a consideration when doing exploration in the area.

Thank You Anna! Could You please post this in the oil and gas thread.....We really need to keep an eye on this...... 

[Keepthefaith]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=258.msg399992#msg399992

Destiny = the newest member at BFN  

BUMP 

[klaasend]

Just searching around for Joran info and found this site:

http://www.waarisjoran.nl/home

[Anna]

Now where did that Bastibro go I wonder?


 

[Anna]

Just searching around for Joran info and found this site:

http://www.waarisjoran.nl/home

There are a lot of news articles on that site and it is up to date and active still.  All require translation for us to read in English, however.
Someone is keeping and eye on Joran for us, lol.

I think he went back to Thailand but have we had actual confirmation of that yet?

[hotping]

Just searching around for Joran info and found this site:

http://www.waarisjoran.nl/home

Thanks Klaas!

Google Translation


Do you know where Joran van der Sloot is from? Are you him in a strange place against the body up? Or maybe you've received light of his mysterious practice? This is the site to leave your message! The latest news about Joran and places can be found here.

Have you seen Joran? Or better yet, did he accidentally gefilmt or photographed with your camera or phone? Let it know! Or send us an email

Help in the search to Joran and train him!

[hotping]

Have a Great Day Monkeys! BBL! 

[Magnolia]

I thought that Joran was denied entrance to Australia and settled for Thailand instead.

[Anna]

I thought that Joran was denied entrance to Australia and settled for Thailand instead.

Magnolia,

I never knew if Joran actually wanted to relocate to Australia or just take a vacation there with the money he got from the Good Morning America interview.

I do know he has been making money off his crimes for far too long.  It really is upsetting how he can just keep doing that even after all this time.

 

[jen3560]

Here's wishing all of our Mommy Monkeys a very happy Mother's Day!

Wonderful weekend to all! 

[Tamikosmom]

COVERUP TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT?  YOU BE THE JUDGE!

The defence attorneys for Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe, Mickey John and Abraham Jones were not afforded Joran van der Sloot's May 31, 2005 witness statement.  The spokesperson for the prosecutor implied that Joran's statement was not relevent in respect to their clients.

On May 30, 2008 ... three years later ... Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was revealed.

Was Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement relevent?

You be the judge!!

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1.  SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PROSECUTOR

Nancy Grace - June 10, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Why is it that the defense attorneys for the other four have not been allowed to see this Dutch boy`s statement, the son of the Aruban judicial official?

VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html

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2.  ATTORNEY FOR DEEPAK KALPOE

CNN News - June 15, 2005

Rudy Oomen, an attorney representing Deepak Kalpoe, said he was seeking the release of documents and evidence. "We had a brief hearing here about the withholding of certain documents regarding my client," Oomen said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/15/missing.teen/index.html

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Joran van der Sloot - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

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Deepak Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.

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Satish Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

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3.  ATTORNEY FOR SECURITY GUARD

Nancy Grace - June 9, 2005

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: Nancy, I have seen only the statements of two of the three men. The evidence that I got, the documentation, the files that I received from the prosecutor`s office contained only two of the statements.

My colleague has asked the prosecutor why only the two, not the one of the Dutch boy? She was told by the prosecutor, at least by the prosecutor`s office, that that statement would not be relevant to the case of her suspect, her client

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

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Joran van der Sloot - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

[Dolce]

Sorry to bust in here, but I know that we share some of the same posters in the Caylee thread as you do over here in the Natalee thread.

If you would please take a moment of time.

Be heard!!!
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.comment.html?12

DO NOT ALLOW THE ANTHONYS TO LIE AGAIN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. 
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!

Thank you!
Dolce

[Buckeye]

Klaas

Just a reminder, if you get a chance.  Would you check and see if there is any info in the ruling??  TIA

 04/29/2009 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Conference-Case Management - Trial Date Set

04/29/2009 at 01:00 pm in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Court's ruling and order entered

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

BC363201

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56275.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Jail for pedophile

May 8, 2009, 15:54 (GMT -04:00)

  Offender denies' it happened in my sleep '

 
ORANGE CITY - A certain G. was yesterday sentenced to three years imprisonment for abuse of a little boy in August last year. The culprit, however, strongly denies the child something to be entered. But he grants that 'the possible is done in his sleep. "

By this statement, the prosecutor that a psychiatric examination on his place. The psychiatrist concluded that G. responsible for his actions. He was right for the abuse of a child to a relative. The incident took place on August 28, 2008 and G. would have penetrated the victim here. A doctor has testified that this' may be the case. The abused child would it even made a statement. The abuse would night have played, which categorically denied the offender.

At the height of the sentence the judge took into account the fact that G. something never before done. However, there is also taken into account the fact that the child is so traumatized that he no longer wants to go to school.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56273.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Justice Minister Rudy Croes, "I know the gangs'

May 8, 2009, 15:50 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) has on Tuesday denied under oath that he has not been involved in an arrest list of the sons of Michael Williams would be put. Moreover, he denies knowing of the existence of a 'list Dakota and a list Madiki. "I know the way because I'm curious to what happened," he said. Croes had witnesses in the case that Williams has been against the Land Aruba.

Michael Williams was in a fighting incident between him and Minister Booshi Weaver at the airport in 2003, the victim of reprisals from the government. Williams stretched therefore a trial and wanted the treatment of witnesses Justice Minister Croes, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, Booshi Wever Minister and Minister Marisol Lopez-Tromp. The court found it unnecessary, however, that except Croes Minister, other government members had to testify. Williams could not tell exactly what their involvement in this was.

Alberto Peralta
Minister Croes was heard on his own initiative because the sons of Williams on the list of names of members of the jeugdbende of Dakota would be placed. This at least says Michael Williams. The minister would have done after the acttienjarige Alberto Peralta at the end of the Lighting Parade in 2006 was murdered. The ex-wife of Williams and mother of two sons Dalila Maxwell was heard as a witness in this case. She stated that Calvin Sulbaran, a bodyguard of Minister Croes, its time had told her sons on the orders of Croes on the list were of children who should be arrested. " Moreover, Sulbaran stated that if Michael Williams' had not done what he had done that was not accrued. In other words, the conduct of Williams father would impact on the arrest of his sons.

This is strongly denied by the Justice Minister. "The statement of Maxwell can not correct," says Rudy Croes. The testimony of Williams speaks against this. He has Detective Carlos Hodge told him that after the shooting on Peralta made a list of boys, who were arrested. The sons of Williams, according to Hodge on the orders of Minister Croes were added to the list, at least so says Williams.

Neighbors
"The involvement of my sons with Peralta does not go beyond that she knew from the neighborhood," said Williams. He explained that his sons go with him went. After the shooting, they have gone to the hospital and are photographed. "I might have a big mouth, but it is unacceptable that my children are punished by my behavior," says Michael Williams.

[klaasend]

Klaas

Just a reminder, if you get a chance.  Would you check and see if there is any info in the ruling??  TIA

 04/29/2009 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Conference-Case Management - Trial Date Set

04/29/2009 at 01:00 pm in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Court's ruling and order entered

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

BC363201

Yes, there are a couple of documents.  Give me a bit and I'll copy them.   

[klaasend]

Klaas

Just a reminder, if you get a chance.  Would you check and see if there is any info in the ruling??  TIA

 04/29/2009 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Conference-Case Management - Trial Date Set

04/29/2009 at 01:00 pm in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Court's ruling and order entered

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

BC363201

Yes, there are a couple of documents.  Give me a bit and I'll copy them.   

There are 3 documents.  Two are one page minute orders and one is a 16 page doc.  Here is page 14 of the 16 page filing    I'll have the PDF's of the others for you shortly.  Since these are not free I'm making sure they are watermarked properly before posting...