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Such a little cutie pie.

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Casey's ex-jailmate back
in trouble
Updated: Friday, 19 Jun 2009, 11:50 AM EDT
Published : Friday, 19 Jun 2009, 11:50 AM EDT

Teri Narsesian told her story to the National Enquirer, claiming that she witnessed Casey Anthony flip out after learning the state was seeking the death penalty.

Now a local vet told his story to cops. How Anthony's ex-jailmate stiffed him out of hundreds of dollars.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/investigative/061909exjailmate_back_in_trouble

video at link.

Karma and miss Mae,  those were beautiful pictures.  it makes my heart sing that there are people in the world who stand up for those who don't have a voice.  today is a great day to be a MONKEY!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Bringing this forward from last thread:

From GYPSY DD:
    
Re: Caylee Marie Anthony #138
« Reply #1934 on: Today at 01:59:54 PM »
   
The trash bag being left in the car I was talking about was from TonE's..so this was left there to possibly set up TonE?   Any other person would have gotten rid of that trash bag as well..rather then place it in their trunk.

Also..we know the pizza was ordered by TonE's roomate..or that was speculated ...but..were there any receipts in that trash bag with dates?  If the date was two weeks after Caylee's death date..then I would say she kept the paper towels for a while in the trunk..took the trash bag, with trash in it, from TonE's at a later date to try to set them up.  There has to be some reason she didn't just throw that into a dumpster somewhere.


There was a call made from KCs phone  shortly after 12 AM to Papa Johns on 6/17th IIRC

sorry Nutt!!!  i completely missed you...beautiful pictrure.  OOPS! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

Hello Monkeys??
yoo hoo!  if someone doesn't speak up i'm gonna' take it personally. ::MonkeyTongue::
come on ya'll we got a nice new big cage....lets fill it up! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

She would have grown into a beautiful woman.
Such a sin.

OKAY - LET ME START WITH:  I hate the A's and think Casey is 500% guilty or in other words - she did this................ that said, my question is:
If you found something you felt could help casey avoid the dp and it was something that haunted you from a moral standpoint, would or could you make that call?  Now, don't ask me why I am running this little experiment, PLEASE.  I won't answer! 

Yes I would make that call. Justice is justice, if KC were really innocent I would want the correct party prosecuted even tho I hate her and her appalling family.

The Final Analysis
People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered;
...Forgive them anyway!

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
...Be kind anyway!

If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
...Succeed anyway!

If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
...Be honest and frank anyway!

What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
...Build anyway!

If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
...Be happy anyway!

The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
...Do good anyway!

Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
...Give the world the best you've got anyway!

You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God;
It was never between you and them anyway.

I would do the same, for me it would make no sense not to, and I couldn't live with myself.

Not sure about what the moral standpoint would be, but I don't think I could hold something back if I had some info that would get her off the DP. Personally I want her to live a long, horrible, life in prison til the day she dies. JMO JSM

Ugh, it would eat me up inside, not making that call, so I would have to say yes! Now, if it was something that potentially could free her, well, I'd have to let someone else find it! I want her in jail as long as possible!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

yep...i want JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE..somebody murdered that baby and if there was someone else in the picture i would want them to be held accountable.  if casey had her imaginary friend with her at the time i would want the imaginary friend in court as well.  i do believe casey killed Caylee but if she had help?  haul their azzes into court as well.  even if she doesn't get the dp or even if found not guilty, she still has theft and identity theft charges.  it would be oj all over..get off on the murder and then get slammed for the theft. ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, I would if it involved another family member, but not if it was just a random person involved because it would just muddy the prosecution waters at this point.

I have never been totally convinced that someone else in that family didn't murder Caylee.  I know everything points to KC exclusively at this point, but there were 3 other family members who could have done the deed with the information we have now. You could take that info and turn it on any one of them.

Lets start with George. He could have been lying all this time to cover for himself. I feel confident he lied about the gas cans for some reason, seeing them leave on the 16th, and not smelling anything from the car on the 24th.  Consider he could have gone before the GJ just to put the blame on KC and the suspicion off of him. Hr could have put the body in KC's car "to teach her a lesson, " and the story fall into place from there. She dumped the body and George threatened her and everyone else's live if she told. (there were phone calls between her and George) He also bought and HID a gun while she was out on bail.

Then Cindy. She could have killed her in a fit of rage because she was screaming for her mother after Cindy choked KC. Maybe KC left and Cindy turned her rage on Caylee, not meaning to really kill her, but choking her to shut her up. She did it once to her only daughter, why not again? Then everything from that point would make sense, KC partying and not answering their calls because she did not know Caylee was dead.

Last but not least........Lee. KC could have dropped Caylee off at his house after the big fight and Caylee was screaming so much for Cindy or KC that he shook her and broke her neck, or strangled her. He has a violent temper and not having any children would most likely have less patience than anyone else in the family. KC might take a hit for Lee, particularly if George and Cindy assured her they could get her out of this as they had always done for her past deeds. Now she is trapped.

Yes, no matter how atrocious the family or Casey's behavior is during this time, right is right. No one deserves to die for bad behavior. I noticed how you phrased it to avoid the dp and not the fact that she isn't guilty in some way. People want justice and if there were someone else out there that killed Caylee they to be charged too.

casey anthony was never a princess although she believed she was one.  she lied to everyone she met.  she stole from everyone she could.  she is an emotional vampire that will latch on to anyone she can and suck whatever she can from them.  for some reason her parents knew about all of the bad behavior and did nothing. why?  i mean really?  granted my kid is five but if she ever acted this way and was still living with me at 22 i would have turned her in or booted her out. 

ANJ I would take a step back and evaluate if in fact my analysis of what I found could not be explained in any other way.  If after stepping back for a few days I still felt the same I would place the call as my Dad taught me that integrity is all that you are judged by and that no one but you can ruin your own integrity.

on a O/T I left a post for some help and advice in musings.

I am not going to reply to anyone's answer, but it does look like you guys are totally kindred spirits to me.  I have no clue who to tell or how to contact any of them, but I stumbled upon something that could - only could be worth them finishing.  Who knows, maybe they will email me.  The addy is in my profile.  I actually had to stop following my trail for a bit - too upsetting.  Gads - why me? 

What do you mean?

Okay, I just said I wouldn't respond to any of your all's opinions, but does this mean you would all still love me anyway?  I hate being open minded - it allows for other points of view (you don't want to hear or even consider) to leak in!   

I agree. I also am thinking about taking the DP off the table at this point. The ONLY way that I can think that could happen would be if there was evidence that KC had severe mental incapacity at some point prior in her life.

It would not matter at this point if she had an accomplice, or if she did it in a fit of rage from drugs because drugs are not a legal defense. Many alcoholics have tried to use that because they were in a total blackout at the time of a crime and had no recollection at all of the crime, but it has never been held to be exempt by law. If that had been the case, they should have plead it down to 2nd degree a long time ago, so it would never wash now and even if that information has not been disclosed it is too late to use it when she had an opportunity prior.

 

I would have to evaluate as to whether it was as important as I saw it and if it could be totally backed up with evidence.  If not, I would let it go for now and see where things went later in the process. 

If I decided to contact someone ,I would NEVER give it to any of the defense team, but to Yuri and let him make the final decision. He is a fair and just man.

If you would give it to Yuri and let him make the final decision. I would hate for it to be something the defense team could "turn around" and use against you or someone else. Keep in mind if you give it to the defense team, you become LEGAL FODDER for them and your entire life will be turned upside down.

Actually, Yuri could not help in this scenario.

I just came back from eating dinner.I will weigh in on this too. I would have to say something even thought I dispise them all and Casey most of all. But the truth is the truth and that is all we ever wanted here, if I am correct. The right person and the right reasons ought to be considered for the death penalty. I would like none of them any better and I would not trust any of them with a mile of me. Casey would still be a lying, stealing, money sucking slore, and so is her family. But I would not want anyone getting the DP unless they deserved it.

Speaking for myself I would love you anyway, you know that ANJ.  ::MonkeyAngel::

You have to do what your heart says is right. Caylee is going to get justice one way or the other. I hope the right person is nailed for it.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Unless I knew something for sure, I wouldn't notify anyone until I had something very concrete. I would be afraid of wasting LE's time unless I was really onto something.

AMEN! Give it to Yuri, he's a good and honest man. But be aware, the Others are reading here and they will come after you!

ok..spill it! ::MonkeyDevil::  just start with 'i have this friend.." ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Just whisper it so the others won't hear.

NOW THAT WAS CUTE!   " I have this friend................" 
whoops, gotta run........move later! LMAO

Agree Yuri.  I would still love you as you can not change the truth and respect you for having integrity.  The legal fodder part is what I was worried about, they could label you as anything.

Okay......20 questions...........Is it something the Anthonys already know?  I am thinking if it is something they are hiding it will come out at trial.

Is it something ANYONE else knows?  Would you be the only one this information was available to?

Is it something someone told you in confidence? If it is, I would encourage them to tell it and stay out of it.

i have no doubt that casey could have been 'on' drugs or taking drugs at the time of Caylee's murder.  BUT...i don't think for a minuet that the drugs made her kill Caylee.
i have never heard of an extasey or pot induced rage.  and if indeed she was 'blacked out' well her memory came back awfully quick with all the hiding, lying, dumping, and story telling.  but i could be wrong... ::MonkeyWink::

There is a serious meth and/or crack rage which has been tried as a legal defense with no success in courts.

ANJ, if you know something you should go to the police or State's Attorney's office. I also think if you found some kind of info on the internet, LE probably has the same evidence.

BUT if you feel like giving hint, by all means JSM is ready to listen.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I would be VERY CAREFUL about responding to any email I received.

I would ONLY talk to persons in person.

IF I found something I would absolutely not go to the defense with it.  First off  LE has so much that we do not know about and they are the ones running the investigation.  Second, there are so many interviews now where people have said that they tryed calling, email, and contacted Bobo as they felt they found something and the response was always the same.  They reached his go-between and were told rudely that he did not have time for them.  LE did in all these cases always look at and receive the information.

Yes and georgie, leesy and sindypoo don't need to even try to write me! 

I would be careful, I don't trust what they would do.

TY Leslie...then she probably ripped the receipt off which would show a time stamp for the order..yep that figures in..I still believe she left that there to throw blame on the firends at TonE's..she is so diabolic I  really can believe that... I have never thought she was a stupid bimbo..she has smarts..and figured she could live off the grands and Mom and Dad..when that went whish..she had a plan she had been making for a while....I really think this was part of an even larger plan..but that doesn't even matter now..the main point is she felt secure in some way murdering Caylee and the family taking up for her..and all helping to throw the friends under the bus.  This is not a stupid young women..this is a perverse b*tch.  She thought she could get away with this and this would have been the first murder..in a trail of people that made life hard..and got in her way.  Thank God she is in jail now..because we are looking at someone wit no conscience and no boundaries.

Anyone can make up a fake email address and if it could involve someone else or a larger faction of people you would be in extreme danger. There are some dangerous people out there and we have found some serious connections in this case.

didn't they drug test her at one time?  meth and crack can be out of the system after 3 day as far as a urine test is concerned.  if the did a hair test that would show every thing from 6 months back. ::MonkeyShocked::

Turbo - I give up, what do you mean by legal fodder?  You mean I would be attacked for speaking up? 

I think you need to go to Yuri myself. No matter who it might help, the SA does not want to convict someone that doesn't deserve the death penalty. The truth is what is important here, and protecting yourself. You cannot go wrong by going to the authorities first. If this is something that you know for a fact and is concrete, go...run...fast to the authorities. If it is something that will just muddy the waters and is supposition, only you can decide.

You realize this will be all over the internet within a matter of hours... may minutes?  Whatever you have stumbled upon should be relayed to LE as that is the proper channel.

You're on to something about KC feeling secure about her family taking her side even if she killed her daughter. What hold does she have on them, or does the whole lousy family live in an alternate reality?

you shouldn't open strange e-mail's..you could get a tumor...sorry virus  ::MonkeyDevil::

Everybody and their cousin has had their past and families probed into that has had the slightest thing to do with this whole mess. E-mail and text msgs inspected, cell phone records probed into. Depos taken....and on and on. I think that is what Turbo is saying to you. Look at what has happened to Kronk, and all he did was find the body. Much speculation about him, whether true or not. If you do anything, contact the authorities. I was going to send you an e-mail, but I don't even want you to open mine.   ::MonkeyAngel::

LET ME BE CLEAR - what I was researching doesn't involve anyone else being involved.  It would be only of value for the consideration of DP and it is something that would have to be investigated medically.  It has nothing to do with drugs or anything like that.  It is something medically I was following up on and my research seems to show some merit as a possible defense to DP if guilt were found. 
Please - all I wondered is what you all would do if you were onto something that went against prosecutors seeking DP. 

you could be attacked for not speaking up...if you have what you consider true information involving a murder case, just call le.  either its true or not.  if yes you did your part in finding justice for Caylee, and the state will deal with the info.  if it turns out not true, at least you took something that you thought of value to the people who are there to deal with it.  if filing a false tip were against the law...ya know where i'm goin' with this ::MonkeyWink::

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

If you have information that is not readily available the FIRST thing the defense team will do is investigate your entire background. YOU become the focus. That is not the way it should be, but that will be the way is it done. What if something negative comes up in that? You will have to defend yourself.

As you know, my brother is an attorney and they are compelled to hire investigators for their clients for all the background information on any witness and/or informant. They don't want any surprises coming up in court so they have to "defend" their information by clearing the informant's background.

I still believe no matter what the info is, the proper channel is Yuri. He is a fair man, and he also can protect you and/or your source if necessary.  I would NEVER consider going through anyone but LE or the  SA office because of the danger of being considered interfering with a murder investigation.

ANJ, please be careful posting anything on the forums. It will be all over the internet in a matter of minutes. There are some bad people involved in this case. Please be careful!

To A News Junkie :
If you think the information is good, run it by Klaasend. ( She can keep it quiet and she will. ) 
If she thinks it is still good, then you can contact the SA or John Allen or Yuri.
Here's a thought : If YOU found it, someone else might find it also.
The prosecution should be aware of it so they could prepare for it, just in case the defense found it too.
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I was out for most of the day, but a thought stuck me about the duct tape, pre death, after death. There is only one person who could answer that question and that is Casey. If the State contends that it was pre death and probably caused the death as it was over the baby's nose and mouth, that would have to stand until Casey gets up and says, no I put it on afterwards.
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There will be some powerful actual photos shown at trial and if they do graphics with the placement and measurements of the baby's face and the measurements of the tape, the jury will become outraged and tend to go for the DP.

like what?  it's on record she needed meds?  well then if she had s script and didn't fill it or wouldn't take them then the dp should be there.  heck, charge g&c with acessory if thats the case.  if they knew she was loony tunes and needed meds and didn't make sure she took them and this could happen then they are at fault as well

ANJ, I agree, follow your heart (Dolce would say do what your gut says) run it by Klaasend, then relax knowing you did your best, and I will be there ALWAYS!

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

Turbo,
I will see if I can find out how to contact him and tell him what I was thinking, so like has been stated, if the defense is thinking what I am there won't be surprises. 
I am not privy to anything that anyone with the case documents, medical knowledge and doing research even via internet can't find.  So that makes it readily available and it would not be something I could testify or give any expert knowledge on.  Just a odd hunch I followed and it shows signs of merit based on the reports READILY available to anyone.
Okay, so that ends that.  It does warm my heart to know you all are 100% for justice, however that would be wrapped.  I am honored to know you all, albeit it just virtually via my jumping monkey! 
Next topic?????????????  Hey JSM - this is you chance, start an OT - bet the mods would love it!  I sure didn't mean to start anything with my prose.
Back in a bit! 

Turbo can you share?

the same goes to you:
ok, spill it ::MonkeyWink:: start with 'i have this friend that read this autopsy report..' ::MonkeyDevil::

hmmm  obviously I need to re-read the reports... and I thought I found some note worthy stuff....

please share if you would...

I have company over right now for fathers day dinner.  I can't do alot at the moment.  If you need to contact me or Red or Blink just send me an email.  Not sure if anyone does but in case.....

smklaas@hotmail.com

  ANJ, I will love you always no matter if you give info that won't give KC the DP. Just be careful, like Turbo said, who you give the evidence to.  ::MonkeyAngel::

And I have my own JSM's Begging For Banning Blog, so if I go off topic or want to say the S word, I will do it in my new Blog sweet Bearly so kindly made for me.

I noticed a discrepancy, but am going to double check to make sure I didn't either read it incorrectly or take someone else's word for fact when they might have made an error.

Off to hunt the info down....

 ::MonkeyWaa:: Can someone please post the discrepancy? JSM is really needing to know what it is. TIA JSM

I got in here late, can somebody tell me what this is all about? I get very nervous when I see folks talking about contacting detectives with hunches, no offense, but I know these gentlemen and they tend to be pretty ahead of the curve. There are some issues with the findings I am aware of, but keep in mind that a significant portion, will come out of FBI analysis, and we will prob not see it until trial. You have my email I believe.
B

JSM...I am with you. I read it 3 times and for the life of me can't think what it is. Course I only have about a half of a brain cell that works on a continous basis.

quit teasing me!

other than mamacrazy30 i'm also crazy-nosey!  i wanna' know! ::MonkeyDance:: i wanna' know!
ya'll are killin' me ::MonkeyTongue::

and that goes for the "D"umb word too!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Flossy!!! Hi!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Darla, I wish I knew what it was.  ::MonkeyWink::

Yes ma'am, going to my blog to use my favorite words now.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

miss Mae, by golly, spill it!
what were you talking about....? ::MonkeyDevil::

room filled up in a hurry.  Hello visitors  29  ::MonkeyDance::

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

Oh for the love of Pete...we are arm chair investigators, thats all. We all have our theories and ideas, thats what makes this blog great. But to say you have information that could change the DP, i think is a little irresponsible since once you post something like that here, it will be all over, on other blogs on the news, online. Clearly you arent going to share it with us here in the cage...so why continue to talk about it.

sheesh...where were all these folks 2 hours ago? ::MonkeyConfused::

I would not discount or dismiss ANJ's " finding " out of hand. It has to be looked at carefully and how to proceed also looked at carefully.
Sometimes, that is the way it happens. Some small overlooked detail could be the detail that is the case breaker or case maker. For this case, the devil is in the details.
Do it in word like you would do a project. Revise, edit and go back to the original sources. Get all the unecessary words out of your writing. Klaasend says she is busy today, the trial doesn't start this week. There is time to do it up properly. And don't tell US, ok ? Not on a public board.

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

And I know no more about it than the rest of you do. I am sharing what I thought when ANJ said it was medical.  JMO

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I don't have the autopsy report handy. Can you please send me the link Fanny. i just posted on my new blog. heeheehee

What about it being hereditary in some cases?

http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

Well, possibly what would happen if it goes untreated. But I think this has probably been well investigated. I think you could be an adult with the problem. JMO

THanks

Blink, I was not the one who said discrepancy. I said I had an idea where ANJ might have been going. I have not dug into the medical stuff too deeply about it. But I think it is possible that you could grow to adulthood with the problem. I don't know for sure. I was just throwing out something there that could be considered a medical situation. JMO

if its mostly hereditary that could from anywhere in the family...unless the kicker is that it mostly hereditary and nobody in the family had it...maybe it was caused by other means?  maybe casey had been abusing Caylee since she was a baby?  but not knowing the father puts a snag in the thing.

I am thinking more Casey than Caylee. I am only talking about what has already been put on the thread. My opinion is that a person could grow to adulthood with this problem. JMO

Nope, agreed, there is no way to tell whether or not it would become an issue at this juncture, but most cases are diagnosed at infancy, sometimes shortly after birth. I am not being glib in any way, but I drove Klaas nuts with this all morning. We were 3D modeling and all. There is many, many variations of this, several different calvarium planes and suture sites where this can occur.

I'm back from shopping & all caught up.   From what Im reading ANJ is stating that what she has been looking into may be an "excuse" or explanation as to what contributed to Casey murdering Caylee to save her from the DP, not guilt or innocence.   If Im correct Im reading it has something to do with a medical reason.   So law enforcement has nothing to do with what she is discussing.

Im inclined to say that since it is not a question of Casey's guilt, why hand the defense yet another avenue to save this murdering wench?  The reason I can say that comfortably is because Casey has no medical history of mental illness, tumor etc wherever this is going that she had any care for whatsoever.  If you examine her behavior even years before the crime she was always self-absorbed, combative, rebellious with the tendency to pathologically lie & then play the victim which esculated over time.   Some of that behavior is typical of a narcissistic sociopath & a portion of it is living in her family environment with the individual dynamics we have witnessed for ourselves, well beyond the word dysfunctional that is for certain.  Its not postpartum either with the time lapse, nope not almost 3 years later because its far from the norm & if not unheard of at least highly unlikely.   Keep in mind she has been thoroughly examined upon incarceration with a battery of tests and continues to be monitored by physicians, psychologists, etc.   I have to say that one also has to look towards how aware she was and still is of her surroundings & how actively she not only tried to avoid detection but in a premeditated fashion attempted to pin this heinous crime on someone else.   She is also very actively participating in her defense, even to the point that she told her parents flat out that she had to be concerned for herself.

I am offering no judgment as to whether a theory or medical study should or should not be shared, that is entirely up to an individual.     If I felt there was merit to a situation that someone did something diabolic but was incapacited which would hold up both by legal and medical standard, I honestly would have to consider it fully & find several experts that could give reference of its validity & seek a confirmed diagnose of the individual.    All I can offer is why I personally feel that in her case what she did was so heinous & how she tried to cover it up indicates that she was hardly suffering some sort of psychosis or break, too much required thinking.   It is amazing she can live with herself much less us contemplate her fate but then again that is what violent sociopaths do...I think about Caylee's fate & that poor babygirl suffered greatly.   Her last minutes alive on earth were sheer hell & staring right into her mother's face no doubt.   In closing, whether she gets the DP or LWOP is of little difference to me because either way she will never see the light of day, one way she will die isolated a bit faster as opposed to slower...actually in most states these days getting the DP is more symbolic than anything else because it takes so dang long to carry it out & many times its spared after exhaustive appeals.   I just want justice for Caylee.    ANJ, that's my two cents for what it is worth.

like her skull was putting pressure on her brain and that was making her crazy?  if so, then why just crazy like a fox?

But did you look at the effect it might have on a persons thinking if they grew to adulthood with no diagnosis or detection?

Synostosis would not be a factor of abuse. It is fusion of the skull. If it were abuse, she would have a fracture of the skull.

Also, it says the beginning stages, not complete synostosis. It may or may not have caused problems for Caylee. So, with no Medical Degree, I can't say whether it would cause problems, but since it was at the beginning stages, it would not have been a cause of death of Caylee.

JMO from JSM that shall not use the D or S word ever again.

To use your words, "Oh, for the love of Pete" this was rude!  Clearly in the post that started the discussion, I stated I was not going to post what I was following.  I only let you all know it was medical and didn't involve another player, drugs, etc to stop the speculating.  The point of the original post was to debate ethics.  I often wonder how defense attorneys live with knowing something and justify keeping it to themselves. 

Blink - no, I don't have your email and don't need it.  I sure didn't mean to imply I was brighter than your 'buddies'.  It has nothing to do with FBI findings.  It has to do with autopsy and the findings and weather Casey has been medically tested for the same.  The result of which there seems to be medical merit showing psychosis, mental impairments and has been studied and the findings show an association with criminals in the report I was reading. 
So, there you have it - as much as I am going to type.  They - or anyone can research any abnormalities from the autopsy report that they feel so inclined.

I think that if anything, Cindy maybe knocked KC in the head with a baseball bat. IDK, I think KC is just a plumb sociopath, nothing more, nothing less. A killer that killed her child. Luv ya Fanns. JSM

yes, but considering Caylee has never had so much as an X RAY or bite wings, how would Casey know such a thing, in that stage, it is my understanding the only reason it was seen at all was because the cavalarium is completely exposed.  Im not sure I follow, are you suggesting that it might have been hereditary and Casey was suffering from it? I am not aware of any adult acute diagnosis without a pediatric precursor, but I am not a Neurologist.

babies bones are soft..who's to say when casey would get angry she wouldn't squeeze Caylee's head in frustration?  i wouldn't be shocked to think that when casey got angry she would take it out on Caylee but not an a way that would cause questions.  it wouldn't have to be a fracture, just a lot of pressure.

I am only saying it could be used as another excuse.

Capp, I know we are talking about things here that are suppositions, but isn't that what we are here for? To take all the facts and weigh them. I don't think we are going to give Bozo any ideas that he hasn't thought of before. I don't know any more about this than what I have read. This info has been "out there" for quite a while with the defense. Whether or not this is what ANJ is talking about, I don't know. It was just something I have been thinking about since reading the autopsy release about five times. JMO

http://www.craniofacial.net/sf/sagittal_synostosis.htm

Affects of Sagittal Synostosis

Sagittal synostosis, also known as sagittal craniosynostosis, is the result of the sagittal suture of on infant's skull hardening before the brain has had a chance to grow. The result is a skull that is elongated so that from the top, it appears oblong in shape. Sagittal synostosis is the most common of all synostosis. It affects between 45 and 55 percent of all children with the deformity. If children born with sagittal craniosynostosis do not have other closed sutures or medical conditions, the condition is typically not fatal. Sagittal synostosis is, however, associated with the following health problems:

    * Sagittal synostosis can increase the blood pressure in the brain.
    * There may be decreased blood flow to certain areas of the brain with sagittal craniosynostosis.
    * Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities.
    * There is speculation that sagittal synostosis left untreated could lead to learning disabilities. This has never been proved or disproved.

Yes, that is exactly where I am going. Who's to say that Casey doesn't have it in a milder form that was never diagnosed?

ANJ, I see where you are going now. I think that the Wilderbeast has already x-rayed KC's skull to see if she has this problem. I wouldn't worry your sweet little brain about this. ::MonkeyAngel::

 If this is the case, Baeass et al will try and use it. I personally think she is a loser, liar and sociopath. JMO JSM

if only cindy had done that at sometime, heck, we'd be talking to ourselves. ::MonkeyDevil::

I didn't know for sure if that was where you were going, but yes, I had thought the same thing and had not verbalized it. I haven't really dug real deep in the subject, but just wondered where it would go if untreated. Like I said, I don't think we are going to give the defense anything that the haven't thought of themselves in their devious minds.

Please see my above response in red.

From what I just read, KC would have an elongated head. So her head if she had this problem would look like King Tut. KC has a very small head. I don't think KC has this abnormality. JMSO JSM

too bad her condition only flared up when she wanted someone else's money or when her mom made her angry and she took it out on her daughter.  this is the only time i will agree with casey...she stated herself that they gave her all the test and there is nothing wrong with her.

ANJ-

Respectfully, this is not the first time you came across like this, and IIRC I gave you the benefit of the doubt. For you to refer to respected colleagues of mine as "buddies" is disrespectful, petty and immature. As I suspected you baited some very intelligent posters who have already been over this for no reason. There is no ethical or moral dilema here, you had AN OPINION. In a forum, where peers are engaged to discuss same, you launched the 'I know something you don't know" game. I don't like that, it's insulting to many on here who are incredibly insightful and intelligent and I respect their time.

This is not my house, but for me, Not Cool.

Blink  

Now try the neuro sites and medical journals.  There is info out there to support both sides.  There is also stuff in the psychology medical journals that is interesting.
And to me her head is enlongated - thus part of the reason I began my research.  http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos

Well, we have called her "Horseface!" ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 I do think she is an EVIL sociopath but I am just trying to think outside the box and wondered if she had a mild form of the defect. JMO

Dont be too sure about what Bozo has thought of or hasnt LOL, o Fanny that made me giggle to a belly laugh.  I was addressing ANJ's post questioning whether she should discuss something, no one else.  If you read my post you saw that I said I offer no judgment but that Casey's long-term behavior & conduct contradict a medical condition that would give her leniency.   I make no apologies in being firm that there is absolutely no excuse or explanation for what Casey did & in the premeditated fashion she did it to tend to make me lean towards her getting that consideration.   It would have to be so obviously overwhelming & not just something "it could be" for me to consider anything otherwise, that is my personal opinion & experience.

Hey, I'm not a Skanky defender, not by a long shot. But I am only trying to think how in the He77 her sorry azz defense is going to try to squirm her out of this. My opinion of Skanky has not changed one iota.

You have such a sweet way of putting things. kudos to you

YOU know Blink, I used the word buddies because you describe them as
gentlemen you talk to on a regular basis.  I meant no offense. 
I RESIGN from this board - just ban me.  Geeeeeeeeeeeez, I give up.  I was not trying to bait anyone.  My first post was a question of ethics - look back.
Best to you all. 

Her face is enlongated, but her skull isn't elongated. An enlongated skull would look like King Tut's. I have a very long horse face like KC, but my skull isn't elongated.

Not trying to argue with you ANJ, just looking at both sides. JMSO JSM

I will shut up now.

Absolutely. I studied it myself when I got the report. You are 100% correct. My research indicated what I mentioned earlier. That does not mean someone else's might not yield a different result. That's the point, Lose the drama (not directing that at you but in general) and DISCUSS IT...  That's what we are her for. We have great resources on this thread with medical backgrounds. If you juxtapose those findings, I could not come up with adult undiagnosed cases. What I saw WAS untreated, which is different. That said, from a personal perspective, I think the genome on this comes from Dad.

JSM, the king tut head thing had me ggggaaaffaawing.

who knows?  she had some defect or we wouldn't be here.  maybe an ego defect?  spoiled brat defect?  a defective family? 
::MonkeyConfused::

i think it's pretty clear from this post what the information you found is, and i'm sure the defense team would have spotted this as well and have explored or are continuing to explore whether it could be a viable defense for the DP or not.

I don't care if she has the face of a horses ass...she killed her kid, she deserves to die ASAP

She has a horse face. Lee is the one with the weird looking head, and everything else........

Steve Martin "King Tut"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7AJiQM2RI

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

JSM is cracking me up today. Feel like a fool sitting here by myself laughing.

oh, miss Mae..i know your not.  if i upset you i'm sorry.  i like throwing out ideas as well. and as far as her defense is concerned, well the nanny did it. 
(sorry i just discovered this feature and playing with it)

And I concure!

stop it :smt075  we are not here to shut up!

Another question here is does it only follow the matriarchal line or can it also be inherited through the daddy... KC may not be the one it was inherited from. ?

:smt041 :2notworthy:

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ANJ, that is not what you said. I said I know these gentlemen and they are generally ahead of the curve, the rest, you conjectured. I stand by my post to you and frankly am over this take my ball and going him crap with you. I respect the ethical dilema question as a hypothetical and think it has relevance, that is NOT how you presented it, yet again.
B

She also screwed herself when she finally got on the phone during her mother's 911 call & said "I havent seen her in 31 days" with reporting that the last day was June 9th.   Simple math, that is 36 days NOT 31...everything from there has gone down hill.

Babies bones are soft so I understand what you are saying and it may have or probably happened, but it wouldn't cause premature fusion of the brain.

I've been on the fence myself on this subject not wanting to take so called "sides" but in the pictures that were used as a reference to suggest she had and elongated skull I didn't see anything that would lead me to conclude that same observance.  JSM I agree with you on this matter saying that her "Face" is elongated but not the skull and that's where Im leaving it at.

LMAO      ::MonkeyDevil::

She is horsefaced, nothing wrong with it, since I have a slight horseface. I don't think she has any brain defect. JMO JSM

Fanny I thought it was clear in my post, I was in no way referring to you. Actually I was defending an intelligent discussion of the topic, which is appropriate. Someone saying they have to run to detectives and potentially tesify, and not the first time, is not, imo. If you thought otherwise, please accept my apology, your a poster I deeply respect the contribution of.
B

:salut: :smt002 :smt058

Is that wrong Blink? Sorry if I posted incorrect info. TIA JSM

good point...it would have also affected her eyesight as well, and she would have probably had ringing ears.

IDK Tupelo, I have a malformation that I never knew about until I had a CT of the head, but it has never made me kill. JMDO JSM

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

As do Josef and I!

Thank you Blink. And you likewise. It was just a general statement I was making and not directed at you at all. As a matter of fact, Mamacrazy made me do it.   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Muffy  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I love him, lmaooo

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

So now we know we know what's wrong with you!!

now i'm confused.  she was almost 3.  how could she have the beginning stages of premature fusing of the brain?  shouldn't that be happening anyway? ::MonkeyConfused::

Haven't seen you in ages. Hope all is well. TIA JSM

I am kidding.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Ya know what else is interesting in discussing this topic.   Caylee at 2 3/4 years did not appear to be suffering an usual temper or learning disability.  We've seen the videos, she talked, sang complete songs, interacted with people, told her own version of a book she loved to read/have read to her, count seemingly wiser than her very tender young age.   We saw her dance & get around, physically or medically she exhibited no signs of challenges due to a medical condition.

Yep. It is called Monkey Malformation and having a Horse face. Just Kidding.  ::MonkeyWink:: I may have to go to my new Blog so I don't get off topic.

Would you and Blink care for a Daiquiri?
I think Mamacrazy and I will have 2.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
We'll let Nutt drive the Witless News cart and we'll truck on down to Orlaaaawndo and get this stuff took care of once and for all.  ::MonkeyDevil::

yes, i have that power  ::MonkeyDevil::

Muffy Bee, thanks for linking the Steve Martin video!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I needed that.

It said premature, so no it shouldn't have been happening at her age. It means it was happening too quickly. Help me smart monkeys I am probably wrong here. TIA JSM

i'll bring the ice ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Of course, after hearing Cindy on the phone with Tim Miller, Cindy could very well have treated Casey and Caylee herself. ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I do think Casey is a sociopath and bi-polar. JMO

I wanna go too.  Pleeease?  I'll bring my Steve Martin dvd to play on the way.  "King Tut (King Tut)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he’d see
People stand in line to see the boy king.

(King Tut) How’d you get so funky?
(funky Tut) Did you do the monkey?
Born in Arizona,
Moved to Babylonia (king Tut).
<snip>

Sure! I am way past ready to get this show on the road!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Aas do I and my Mom. ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Sunny. I wouldn't trust the defense with my dog's life, ITA to bring the DP back, LE/SA have enough evidence against the skank to put the needle in her arm. JMO JSM

I'm sitting her doing those silly hand movements!  ::MonkeyDevil::

do you know when it starts?  i don't know?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you FLGrammy.  I was hoping it would take some of the tension off.  It's been difficult recently with the autopsy release, but I think many are bothered like I am that there is more information we aren't privy to about Caylee and the time up to her death to the way she was treated after her demise.  I think there is a lot of sadness and anger. 

Hi Monkeys! 

 :smt102 I am way behind the curve on this synostosis thing.  I told you yesterday I was confused about it... that situation has not improved.

Will some kind Monkey please tell me exactly what the report says?  Does it say "cranial"?  Synostosis can occur in various joints of the body, and I could have sworn I read something about the radial-ulnar something or other.  No?  Did one of the reports say that it was Caylee's skull that showed signs of synostosis?  Why I can't find this reference, I don't know.  Under a lot of stress at the moment d/t real life stuff and lack of sleep, so maybe that can be my excuse.  So will someone please point this confused Monkey to the right place?

P.S.  I feel upset when Monkeys are snarly with each other....   ::MonkeyWaa::

come on muffy..i'm saving you a seat! ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And EVIL!!!

I do not think Caylee was ever physically abused. Never have. I do believe that if Casey was my daughter, SHE would have been physically abused BY ME long before she was arrested  ::MonkeyDevil::

On the last thread, someone mentioned Jose Baez having possession of the diary dated 2003.

I believe it is Brad Conway who has possession of the diary.  IIRC, I heard him say that on the May 13 LKL program.  I believe he said the police photographed it, and that the A's gave it to him for safekeeping.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure, but I promise I will ask tomorrow at work.

I am bolding Blinks post and bringing it forward........take heed please!

Desi, it says sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning of stages of premature synostosis. If I knew how to post a link I would. I am looking at it right now.

 I hope you are feeling better. JSM

Okay JSM, we'll all be waiting after you ask at work tomorrow.  All of us, including the and 47 Guests

then casey has some major rage issues to go from not a spanker to killing her kid, duct taping her, and hiding the body...i wanna' know if anybody had scene her pissed off before and how she handled it...yeah, that one time on the tapes it show her getting angry (kind of)  with g&c but its not like she punched the screen or anything.  i show more emotion to other drivers getting to work than her 'outburst'

  ::MonkeyDevil:: Not me, I would have had the baseball bat and hammer out when I walked up to Tony L's door and didn't find Caylee.

The thing that still sticks out to me is that there were 12 pages ripped out, I guess by the tears at the binding they could ascertain how many pages it was.  Id be curious if they could do an impression testing on the two pages before and after the last entry to see if it could be determined what was written.   

Okay.  Again.  I apologize for making this request, b/c I don't normally do this...  But I am also foggy on the paper towel evidence we keep referring to.

Cannabis and THC residue and what?  Decomp fluid?  Adipocere specifically? And where did we get this info, I am so sorry but I can't recall what report mentions the evidence on the paper towel from Tony's trash bag that was in Casey's trunk. Can someone please help me here, by telling me where this was reported and what exactly was on the paper towel?  TIA and my apologizies for asking.

P.S.  JSM, is it true?  You have your own blog right here at SM?  I will look for it; maybe you could post a link to it, in your signature line?  Congrats!

Will do Muffy. It makes me SO mad that the X-rays and pictures weren't allowed to be seen.

Blink, if you already have the autopsy report it is on the Osteological Report from Central Florida University on page 8.

why give a diary with (with the meat ripped out) what for all we know has only one written page to an lawyer for 'safe-keeping'?

Good Point, and let's not forget counting to 32 in Spanish.

 ::MonkeyDance::  Road Trip.We'll take our undercover car.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Sorry! I meant Desi. And it was me that said that Baez had the journal. I could have been wrong, but I thought that was what I heard. But why would Conman have it anyway? I would have thought it was Police Evidence.

  Thank you, JSM!  "sagittal suture" would be the cranium all right.  (I take your word for it!)  Appreciate it.

Just got caught up, and what was that all about? I'm sure the defense if they thought for a minute that Casey had some skull problem or any problem that could get her off they have researched, x-rayed, and whatever else they could possibly do to save her from going down.  ::MonkeyConfused::  Andrea will be all over any problem that might have caused Casey to murder, imo. That's what she does.

OT JSM's Begging for Ban Thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5458.0  I just added my two cents there.

i feel your pain.  decomp fluid would make since considering both the trash and Caylee were in the trunk.  if its adipocere then that would put things in a different ball park.

Yes, and we shouldn't take out that frustration, sadness and anger on each other.  I personally have not been able to get through reading all of the recent reports.  It makes me sick to my stomach.  I am hoping the jurors in this case have the same response.

i think that was a lie...Caylee was a bright and beautiful girl, but listening to her on videos would lead me to think.. maybe..if someone was counting with her, it could happen.

Blink - not sure if you saw, so I will respond one last time.  I am resigning from this board.  However, I never said I needed to run off and tell detectives ( I was encouraged to and felt that for the value of making sure SA was ready for that defense maybe I should, after further research. )  I never said I would need to testify - I said it is not something that I have expertise on and to the contrary would not a potential witness.  And I actually have never had words with you that I recall.  I do feel attacked by you and you came in saying that you wanted an explaination what this was all about - why not read back and see that my intent was never to BAIT anyone. 
I feel misunderstood here, so I won't be back - so have at it - slam me, use me to release aggression or just move on.
Best to you all.

I am in complete agreement Nut!! ::MonkeyDance::

I highly doubt that the premature fusing has anything whatsoever to do with COD.  There are more than one area in the skull that are left open at birth and fuse as children grow.  Caylee was three.  If her case was severe enough to have caused issues her head would have been mishappen - think shape of a light bulb with the possibility of protruding forehead.  If her case were sever you would have easily seen it in pictures. The way I read it was there were signs of this not that the skull had actually closed yet.  This to me read as if the gap was smaller than it should have been. JMO

Who knows why Cindy thinks she can out smart or outplay anyone...nothing she says or does points to anything but her covering for Casey.   The pants, the hairbrush, the diary, refusal to give her JC Penney statements to detectives...on and on it goes. 

Desi, I am confused about the adipocere's time and/or when it occured, I don't know how to put it up, if I did I would. JSM 

I do have a blog on SM, sweet Bearly made me a JSM getting Banned Blog. I get to go their and post things when I think my questions are going to get banned!  ::MonkeyDevil::  I will post a link if I can figure out how to do it. 


OT JSM's Begging for Ban Thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5458.0  I just added my two cents there.

HA I concur ::MonkeyDance:: It was noted in the autopsy because it is an objective observation, it has to be. If Caylee or KC had this condition their heads would have been elongated to the point of notice of the casual *******. I am not a ped Dr nor do I play one on SM but IMO it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out children GROW and when they do not all parts grow at the same rate.

If anyone has an odd shaped head in that family its Mushroom Doo or Lee ::MonkeyLaugh:: JMO

Dang it that word is o b s e r v e r ::MonkeyWaa::

That should have said....as do my mom and I.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

do you know at what age it fuses?  she was almost three.

You are welcome. JSM

It is your choice to post or not to post here at Scared Monkeys.  But this is stopping RIGHT now.  It's gone on long enough. It isn't about you or me or anyone, it's about CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY. 

OT JSM's Begging for Ban Thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5458.0  I just added my two cents there.

And now back to our regularly programmed show:  Justice for Caylee Anthony.

hahaha...so its not her haircut, its her head.

Listening to the LKL interview again to see if Brad said he had the diary or not...

My jaw just dropped when I heard this unrelated exchange:  LK asked what happened the day Caylee went missing.

Cindy answered, we don't know; we didn't know she was missing until later.
LK asks how much later was it?  Cindy answers, "About a month."  LK asks, "Isn't that strange?"  Cindy replies in a casual tone:

"NOT REALLY..."  ::MonkeyShocked::

and goes on to say that she didn't suspect there was anything wrong b/c Casey had been talking to her, saying they were out of town, etc.

Duh!  LK's "Isn't that strange" question means Isn't it strange that a child would be missing and the mother would not tell her own parents, or anyone else, for an entire month?  HELLO????
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyway, I'll let ya know if I find out about the diary, thanks Fanny.

I wonder if the riots in Iran will pre-empt Whoraldo's show tonight. It seems that Fox is going by their regular schedule right now.

Prayers for the people of Iran.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I know the FBI have the BEST resources...including medical.....I feel confident that if there was anything, they would have found it.  I am sorry that ANJ took offense....damn if I got huffy every time someone didn't agree with me I would be in a snit most of the time ::MonkeyWink:: Blink has resources that I don't ( but I do have John, LOL) and I respect when she says something.....even if I may not 100% agree...which BTW I do....but just saying even if I didn't I would still respect that she has resources  and can't, at times,  reveal things she may know. In my years here I have learned to be patient and not get in a huff. It's a good lesson ::MonkeyWink::

trust cindy to have the totally inappropreate response always ::MonkeyRoll::

Good evening SunnyInTX.  How is my little Texas wallflower transplant tonight?    ::MonkeyDevil::

We're moving on again, back to justice for Caylee.  The fussin' is over.

damn the spel-check..just do as i and create your own spelling ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::

And actually carrying a tune, the right tune, when she sang.  I'll never forget her singing, it was so precious.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Muffy!  Will check it out...

Good Evening Monkeys - I am in the previous cage catching up but I have wondered about the diary entry and if it is an entry from 03 could the Slore be referring to her having had an abortion?  "I hope the end justifies the means....."  and that might shed some light on why Sindy said while on the phone with 911 "I am not losing another one?"  Just a thought. 

JSM you are a hoot - you have your own thread - I look forward to reading there in a bit.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities. Note DUE to their abnormality.      So is the point being made, that if Casey has this, that could be a factor in her behavior? That could cause problems and eventually you could do something like murder? Or am I totally missing this conversation?

hahahahahHi Muffy,...oh I am great....just being my usual wallflower self. sitting back never uttering a word...hotter than Texas here in MO though!! AND my A/C went out!   ::MonkeyNoNo::.

OMG dont get me started on Lee, he gives me this weird icky vibe like Pee Wee Herman, maybe it was the knee hi socks the inappropriate laughter & ranting of CMA with a shaved doo that seemed to be on purpose to show some sort of coup d'etat ...just saying

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There are 5 bones in the sacrum areas of the skull and ossification does not complete until the skeleton is mature -  18 - 25 years of age.  Basically when all bone growth is complete.

I hope Lee doesn't get caught in a movie theatre doing what ole Pee Wee was doing  ::MonkeyEek::

ok, i'm gonna do math here..if casey is 23 in 09 then she would have been 17 at the time.  wouldn't she need cyn's permission?  and if indeed thats what she's talking about, then why not do the same while preggers with Caylee.  she was of age and if she hadn't wanted her (kiomarie statement) why not just do it?  she didn't need permission and nobody had to know.

Bobo probably has had a colour coordinated hankie in his pocket for days waiting to meet the buddy.  Are you kidding me? 

Did any of you Monkeys have contact with Cindy's brother Rick when he was on various forums? I was thinking he would be a good place to start to see if Casey had this condition and had treatment for it.

For our brave monkeys, just a reminder that Whoraldo on Foxnews will be keepin on in 10 minutes.   Yes, I'm going to suffer thru it because its important to see how he covers the autopsy report knowing he has been on a mission to help Bozo out in what can only be described as  a result of a deal we are unaware of for a future exclusive interview or something that he made...flashbacks of Charlie Manson come to mind.

i hope he does! ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I was reading things he was posting on Topix. But if Casey or Lee had some physical or mental malady I doubt if Cindy would tell anyone. She wouldn't want anyone to know her kids had problems, at least that's what I think.

Yep, prayers. Whorealdo can bite my horseface butt along with Baeasss. Sorry I will post my thoughts in my blog.  ::MonkeyAngel::

The social and emotional difficulties is because the child looks different.  Children are cruel to each other at the best of times.  Being called names, having no friends as you look different, being teased, singled out, last person to be picked for teams, etc....

WAIT - at the risk of angering the just settled down natives - the sacrum IS NOT in your head. It is on the other end - lovingly known as a tail bone!

No Rose, the way I read it is they have problems with their behavior because of the deformity. Not that it has anything to do with their brain, but with peers making fun of them because of the shape of their head. JMO JSM

Thanks, so I don't think Casey has this and Caylee sure didn't look to have anything that made her look different, unless later on things could have changed. I was under the impression that if Casey had this it could have caused her to do the things she did  ::MonkeyConfused:: Then what was this all about the DP and things could change if Casey had this condition?

If he has another green one in his pocket I'm gonna spit and start throwing things at the TV again!  ::MonkeyTongue::

I see you are sharing my dictionaaaarryyyyy, glad to share!

well, thanks for getting to the bottomof that! ::MonkeyDevil::either was, does the skull still not fuse untill 18?

I totally misunderstood this conversation, thanks. Is this very common? I never heard of this before.

I think we determined that the slime green one meant "meet me behind the courthouse".  I lost the spreadsheet with the colour codes.

LOL...when I first read it, I read scrotum....LOL...guess I need another glass of tea..the sun, heat and margaritas have gotten to me...BTW...you are so right!  LOL

For other uses, see Sacrum (disambiguation).
Bone: Sacrum
Sacrum, pelvic surface
Image of pelvis. Sacrum is in center.
Latin    os sacrum
Gray's    subject #24 106
MeSH    Sacrum

The sacrum is a large, triangular bone at the base of the spine and at the upper and back part of the pelvic cavity, where it is inserted like a wedge between the two hip bones. Its upper part connects with the last lumbar vertebra, and bottom part with the coccyx (tailbone). In children, it consists of usually five unfused vertebrae which begin to fuse between ages 16-18 and are usually completely fused into a single bone by age 26.

It is curved upon itself and placed obliquely (that is, tilted forward). It is kyphotic — that is, concave facing forwards. The base projects forward as the sacral promontory internally, and articulates with the last lumbar vertebra to form the prominent sacrovertebral angle. The central part is curved outward towards the posterior, allowing greater room for the pelvic cavity.

wow.  my last post was a mess ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought of that after I hit post. It would ruin her perfect world image. 

Northern- can I ask your opinion on something that has been bugging me since Friday?

In your opinion, why do you think that the autopsy report does not disclose which "foot" was recovered. I would think it relevant given the post mortem fracture of the left tibia at the distal end? The jagged margin and difference in discoloration would make me think it happend shortly after death and prior to advanced decomp, no?
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It's okay No Rose. I didn't know it either.  ::MonkeyAngel::

well, she doesn't have to worry about that anymore ::MonkeyDevil::

That was definitely slime green that he had on in court the last time with Casey!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Her mother has insisted that she has no medical history.  She even denied that Casey not graduating 1 course shy was her fault.   Personally, I think this particular slight malformation is nothing but a quantum leap to attribute to why one would be a narcissist and/or sociopath capable of killing -- I just do not see it.   My son had a slight opening, he's not only rather bright, kind, considerate & generous to a fault but a fully functioning Army med specialist.  It was found because he suffered a slight concussion, playing Ghostbusters he took a blanket over his head and rammed the porch door a bit too excited portraying one of his favorite characters.   Later on in varsity football he suffered a head on spearing (helmet to helmet) and went thru MRI's, neurological and neuropsychological testing and the slight opening was not noted.   Of course this can vary but just saying in both my experience working in the legal field or the forensic psychologist I've never ever had a case where this type of finding was correlated to why someone brought harm to another, and I do mean thousands of a variety of cases.

OMG you are so correct.  I was thinking septum and typed sacrum.  One is the nose the other is the arze area.  Multitasking is not working for me tonight.  I am so sorry you guys.  The rest however I stand by, skelton maturity takes place 18 - 25. 

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Nite Monkeys. I am gonna have a horrible week at work. Y'all have a good evening and I hope no more monkeys leave the cage. JMO JSM

Yes those are my thoughts as well and as stated at least one thread ago the hairline fracture really bothers me.  I do not believe the fracture took place while Caylee was alive and the fracture would have been more severe (multiple fractures) as the bones dried and became more brittle.  I have spent the better part of today going over the forensics report that was released prior to map out where the bones were found (is foot in same area?) and see if somewhere there may be more clue to this as well as duct tape locations.  My first thought is that the fracture occurred as she was either trying to make Caylee fit into the hamper after full rigor had set in.  Other possibilities are a drop from a height, or banging against a solid object, or having the foot get stuck (jammed) as she was trying to lift her out of the trunk lets say and pulling her out with force.  If her feet were bound then there other possibilities.

yes...I saw that...I do believe I posted about it also...did some research, but the articles were all medical terminology that I did not understand..

It is really not a secret and I didn't mean to put you guys off so long, but we went out to dinner after I wrote that. I rarely sign off my computer, so it appears as if I am here, when I am not. Sorry.

Dr. G said all teeth were accounted for in the mandible except one tooth but separately in the report it is noted that in one of the separate brown bags there were 2 teeth and in another collection from another day they found 4 more...........  

How are all the teeth in the jaw and more teeth found nearby???????  

It made me go back to my original "question" if there was a prior child.

Whoraldo is up next on the Caylee case.

Nite JSM & Josef.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I have my barf bag at the ready.

I have never heard Cindy say that, although everyone has said she did.  I hate the A's....could someone tell me where that 911 tape is at so I can hear Cindy's big mouth?  Was it on the 911 tape when she was sitting at the closed substation or the one she called from home or what?  Thanks.

'Nite JSM.If you talk to Boo,tell her I am thinking about her.  ::MonkeyAngel::
Kiss Joseff.

Justice For Caylee.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Sleep tight JSM

What about the maxilla! Could the teeth found elsewhere have come from there?

I assumed when I was reading about the teeth that the ones which had detached came from the maxilla.

And no throwing things at the tv.   ::MonkeyCool::

I think maybe all us monkey's should take stock in "NERF" toys for Fanny to throw without damage and all in her home will be happy even kitties..they can chase what she throws now...LOL...no offence?

Nite JSM nice to see you.

Yes, I did post your links, and not your whole posts. I wasn't sure how to do it from one thread to another. Forgive me. 

Nite JSM and Josef.  Hope your week is not as bad as you are thinking it will be.

I did, and I asked him if KC had any prior psychiatric problems, and he said not to his knowledge, but he doubted Cindy would ever tell him if she had. He did say he would ask other family members. He never did get back to me on that, but he pretty much stopped posting about that time too, so I am assuming he decided not to get anymore involved.

Oh here we go.  Dr. Baden is going to give the taping a twist.GRRRRRR

I believe it is on that 911 call Bikerbev.  I hate the A's too - they deserve to live the rest of their lives in he!!

I HATE MR LKB.  So now he just implicated a funeral director as putting the tape on?  WTF??????

I did too at first, but if the mouth and nose were taped over the entire mouth would have been secured.  I just found that curious.

Opps Trimmm....I have an arsenal of fluffies lined up!

I saw that as well, it was never specifically addressed, but I took it to mean the "extraneous" teeth were either molars or unrelated. I just remember scratching my head as to how an intact mandible is losing teeth.
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It's Dr Baden in a purple tie and Linda Baden looking as sloppy as ever to pimp their book! Not only that Judge Larry Seidlen (Anna Nichole case)! Commence throwing!!!! OUTGOING!!!!!  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyConfused::

LKB aka Swine UGH!   Here comes the bullsnit, get the shovels!

I adore Judge Seidlin, I think he is a hoot.

The maxilla was only partially covered, perhaps thats the answer?

The tape would have had to be on the teeth to keep them in place.  The tape was over the mouth - lips , skin.  It was held in place by the hair.  No skin.  Nothing holding teeth in.

And promote their new book.   ::MonkeyRoll::

OMG that STUPID Larry Sedlin is on there. He is such a goon.

So that fracture is not the result of force from postmortem animal chewing?  (It is so hard to think about and write...poor baby.)  Don't recall exactly, but I recall reading in one report that at least one bone end was fractured due to animal activity.  Could that be the fracture we're talking about here?  Or was that something else?

Still listening to the A's on LKL from 5/13 re whether Brad has the diary... (phone interruption, sorry)...

I think he is an idiot, FIRST CLASS......Wasn't he the one caught smoking pot in the park?..........no offense to you.

No offense taken, I say as I toss another pillow at the tv! At least Siedlen didn't cry tonight. I barely recognized him. Fox New Net has sunk to a new low. Now Geraldo has gone to the Amanda Knox case and called her a slut! Another volley going off!!! Why not call Skanky a slut!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Gerlado is so full of snit.The fact that Casey was "tongue kissing a girl" has nothing to do with me thinking she a murdering *****!!!!

Im not talking about him on the bench per se, I meant his sense of humor.   Yes, he was caught with the wacky tabacky in a park.

Is it just me or does LKB look like she has been seeing a makeover team?

That is the least of the reasons, dam skippy I agree!     A total mustached maroon!

I really wish they had Dr. William Bass to be involved in that autopsy. Being an anthropologist he could and does many times find things others would miss. Many cases have been solved after the ME released the bones to The Body Farm. I have always felt that was WHY the bones were cremated, to keep a follow up by someone else.

Botox and hair straightening at the very least...its book tour time!   Too bad everything else is sagging to the ankle

No, the animal activity is quantified specifically, this is a straight up post mortem fracture

this was an initial thought of mine when the Dairy first came about- i did research Florida Abortion Laws- under 18 must have parental signatures-  but, this has never stopped IT from forging signatures before.  If this diary is truly important, I am confident they will get someone to date the ink, and hand writting if needed

He will be testifying for the prosecution in this case, and I totally agree, his expertise is one I will be riveted by.
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Desi it did not read that way.  If an animal was chewing there would be marks on the bone.

Oh Desi, Don't put yourself throught a rerun of LKL. I will defer to your saying it was Conman and the journal!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have at it.Now why did I watch that stupid snit?
Only lasted a couple of minutes and they made sure to mention the new book.Baden looks like she has had her face worked on.She still looks like Miss Piggy.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Sorry if that offends anyone.    ::MonkeyDevil::

Yeah, but the makeover is not working!  ::MonkeyRoll::

If she has, she should ask for her money back  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

But since you are in the middle of it, chuckling as I say this, "Conman" stated in court to the judge that the Anthonys only went on interviews to discuss their foundation - just the one you are watching alone that is far from what happened, there was a minute at best at the end...just wanted to point that out again because he boldface lied!!

Well, you can put lipstick on a pig........... ::MonkeyDevil::

all i can say is "hmmmmmm" I will have to go back and check that out- now that you say it, I remember reading that- It just didn't click.... THANKS

lets not forget there was no baby for the first 7 months - it was a tumor.

I am so tempted to email Whoraldo and just laugh at his panel of 'experts'.
Is that really the best Fox can do?
The Badens aren't even there to talk about Casey- they just want to promote the book.
I'm sorry but everytime someone addresses LKB I expect her to respond ...."Are you talking to Moi"?

Wow, I take a nap and all the good discussion starts. I am not a neurologist but I have cared  for many infants who have had craniosynostosis in the Peds ICU. They are usually caught between 4 and 8 months and while the brain is growing. Parents are told to expect a perfectly normal course of growth and development. We had one neuro doc who told them" in time their body will grow into their head." There are 5 sutures in the cranium. Sutures are not bone but rather the fiber-like material that hold the bony plates together. Only one was found to be" in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." Surgery is not done in this case due to the lack of symptomology. We know Caylee was developing normally. She could sing "you are my sunshine" and read "supper time for Freeda Fuzzypaws." The only reason this was found was the fact that she was skeletonized.(I hate to say that.) The pictures you see on the net of these children with deformities are
either happen in utero or have not had medical treatment early.
How will the defense use this ? I have a theory but don't want to bore you with an anatomy discourse. 

That was why I was wondering why it was in the hands of an attorney. I would have thought that would have been done.

BTW, Did you see my apology for using your links and not giving you credit. I'm sorry!! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Please forgive me for being a *umb monkey!  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

LOL

Really?  I missed that detail.
Why is he not in jail?  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I am a Neurosurgical RN and I agree.
When you examine bodies you find a lot of abnormalities or anomalies.  They do not necessarily mean a thing unless they can be correlated with symptoms and history.

Oh Gawd! WonderWoman is singing, and Geraldo is showing himself in bed this morning with his hair standing up and his daughter telling him Happy Father's Day. A commercial just cut him off and the first thing you see was a swarm of Cockroaches..... ::MonkeyDance::

Pretty much describes some of the guests and himself on the show tonight!!!  OUTGOING!!!!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bahahaa

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2739/misspiggy5.jpg)

You gave me a high note to say nite nite, I'm way overdue to put my tootsies up for a break, I might check in before hitting the fluffies.

Did LKL not ask Conway if he had turned over the journal to LE and he said that if they asked he would?  At which point Cindy did her bobblehead routine , grabbed his arm with a WTH are you talking about and they cut to commercial.  I may just have to go check out the youtube, but I was sure that Cindy had an issue when Conway was talking about the journal.

Found it.  Brad has the diary.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html)
KING: The key evidence. Prosecutors say they have a diary entry allegedly made by Casey days after Caylee's death. It's dated June 21st. And Casey allegedly writes, I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I completely trust my own judgment. I know I made the right decision. I just hope the end justifies the means.

She also allegedly writes, "this is the happiest that I've been in a very long time."

That's not saying anything specific, but generally it does add to the question.

C. ANTHONY: One thing that people -- you know, that went out there and that was clarified. That was written in 2005 before Caylee was even born. We have the diary. Brad has the diary --

KING: Help me here, Brad, because that's supposed to be key evidence here.

CONWAY: Larry, I've got custody of that diary. That was written in 2003, June 21st, two years before Caylee was even born.

KING: Who introduced it? Who brought this to the public?

CONWAY: That was disclosed along with the state's discovery.

KING: Why would the prosecutor issue something that was two years before the baby was born?

CONWAY: Because it was released with the discovery.

C. ANTHONY: No, it wasn't, Brad. It wasn't. Let me explain. The prosecutor didn't have that diary, didn't look at the diary. We had it. Someone at the Sheriff's department took a picture of the diary while they were in our house. We have possession of the diary. And leaked it to the media, and the media ran with it.

And then, a few weeks later, Brad showed the state's attorney's office the diary. They don't want it, because it's not evidence.

KING: Can for forensics authorize the date?

CONWAY: Sure, absolutely.

KING: Will you turn it over to a forensic expert?

CONWAY: Absolutely. It's in my state of keeping as an officer of the court. If the defense wants it, it's theirs.

He cried his way out of it.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Why couldn't an animal be the cause of teeth found elsewhere? Once the flesh was gone, there could have been access for a tongue to work teeth loose, or a small animal .Yes/No.  Educate me, please.

Is this similiar to the defect (sorry if that is not a good word) to the holes in the roof of the mouth not closing?  Or the tiny one in your neck? By the way, really impressed with the converstion today!!!

Exactly.  This was noted as they discovered it during autopsy and it may have only been a few mm deviation from normal.

I think this happened when the body was moved.

Thanks,WO.  Most of the time I feel like I am talking to myself.

hello monkeys ::MonkeyTongue::
warning!!! it is gross!!! ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyDevil::
long time ago my grandma told me that when she was a kid (looong time ago) she went to a funeral and she saw the body sitting and trow up, sorry it is gross, but she told me that long time ago the bodies did not have the same treatment(chemicals) that the bodies have now before funeral. Can be possible that Casey saw caylee doing that ::MonkeyEek:: and duct taped her to be sure will not happen again...? sorry guys ::MonkeyTongue::

Like maybe when she crammed her into the laundry basket, the blankity blank blank skank. ::MonkeyNoNo:: :smt093

I believe it was Judge Korda (not Seidlin)

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/anna-nicole-smith-custody-case-judge-lawrence-korda-busted-for-pot-1011974.php

sorry ya'll.  hubbs asked if i could clean the house today, i said sure lol and have just finished the fastest home cleaning session in HISTORY!  now i can get back to monkeys ::MonkeyDevil::

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KING: Will you turn it over to a forensic expert?

CONWAY: Absolutely. It's in my state of keeping as an officer of the court. If the defense wants it, it's theirs.


DESI, Do you think this means if the proscecution wanted the journal that he could refuse to hand it over??

There was no note of a deformity so that can be ruled out.  We will never know if the skin was broken when the fracture occurred.  I don't remember if it was noted as being traverse.  Trunk lid slamming would also do it.

I'm not Desi, but he is an officer of the court, if the state asks for it he must hand it over I do believe.

Verry well put.

casey would have to have had sex if she was pregnant - cindy anthony
i swear after this trial is over i'm gonna' write a book that is just all of their crazy logic quotes.

Thank you.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://books.google.com/books?id=woO2VdztOtgC&pg=PA390&lpg=PA390&dq=distal+metaphysis+tibia+in+toddlers&source=bl&ots=P2P7uwKUk6&sig=8OfqJn4i_ElXs4BFKv8hVgysN6Y&hl=en&ei=H_U-So2FGYq_twf0rOAN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2 (http://books.google.com/books?id=woO2VdztOtgC&pg=PA390&lpg=PA390&dq=distal+metaphysis+tibia+in+toddlers&source=bl&ots=P2P7uwKUk6&sig=8OfqJn4i_ElXs4BFKv8hVgysN6Y&hl=en&ei=H_U-So2FGYq_twf0rOAN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2)
Fractures of the Distal Tibial Metaphysis, from Pediatric Fractures and Dislocations.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html)
Why isn't the left tibia listed in the bone measurements table?

How do we know it is a hairline fracture?  What is meant by "ragged end" in the autopsy report?

The reason I ask about (throglossal duct cyst) is because did you know the surgery for this is sometimes removal of the little bone in the neck which is missing in Caylee. 

Some people have thought that Casey might have put tape over her mouth to contain the body fluids as she was decomposing. She is sure to have done it before decompositon had really set in.

::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm not Fanny, but yeah, I do think a subpoena would take care of that.  Thanks, Tupelo. 

That was a good question, Fanny.  Why would he specify "If the DEFENSE wants it?" ::MonkeyNoNo::

But we would have known if Caylee had had this done, because she has not had surgery.  (Lordy, I am talking to myself)

Probably because Spindy would throw him out of his wheelchair if he dared to try to give it to the prosecution.  ::MonkeyRoll::

wow...getting a mental image.  i worked in a nursing home for a few years and saw a few people pass, it can be messy depending on how long we had to wait until they were picked up, but i've never seen That!  are ya sure grandma wasn't pulling your leg? ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::

You are correct,A1. The hyoid bone is sometimes removed to remove this cyst,but according to all envolved, Caylee had never been sick and mentioned no surgeries.

I think she may have already done this once... remember when Brad couldn't make it to court b/c he hurt his back?

With the medical privacy laws, can Caylee's pediatrician  be called to testify?

I agree with both of you - and not even just as a nurse.  As a patient, most doctors will tell you that abnormalities mean nada unless and until you're symptomatic.  They're interesting, of course, but often don't mean anything.

Blumonkey = Desi's hero tonight!   ::MonkeyDance::
Thank you so much!  That is what I thought!  Sub-clinical or something like that.  Because all the stuff we were finding was gross deformity and surgical correction. I was thinking since she was already nearly three and looked/acted normal it must be something very minor that would never have come to light if she had not been autopsied.  Thank you, thank you so much for this knowledgeable explanation!

The other confusion I had was that I saw the word "incest" on one search result, and the word "incest" on another... so I thought there was some kind of correlation, but never saw that stated.  Know anything about this?  Incidence or contributing factors or whatever the scientific/medical terminology is?  Anyway, thank you so much for clearing that up!  I was feeling so confused about my perception of it.
How will the defense use this ? I have a theory but don't want to bore you with an anatomy discourse. 

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!  What a visual!

It's not possible to vomit after death, but fluids do leak from orifices. Maybe some fluid was expelled as they moved the corpse? 

sure...she's dead.  privacy laws don't extend to the deceased.

Yes he/she can.

Thank you Blu!

i have no doubt.

hahaha I do not know what grandma pulled ::MonkeyDevil:: ///but I believe the body can contain gasses....I do not I will search....I do not know if those gases can break bones...mmmm( i do not want to justify casey) ::MonkeyAngel::

Whew, I've been on a reading marathon... finally caught up with all you fast moving monkeys!

Now a few things that are making me go hmmmmm..............  Hopefully some of you smart ones can fill me in.  I've asked some of these questions before but in the height of the autopsy release my questions weren't answered or if they were I completely missed the answers.  Also a couple of new questions creeped up.

1.  I'm wondering if someone could fill me in on Casey and her activites at the motel on 06/15/08?  Who spotted her there and do we know how long she was there?  I hadn't heard about this before finding scaredmonkeys.

2.  Someone mentioned Blink had some connections to the case and now I'm curious in what form.  Reporter, medical professional, married to someone on the prosecution team????  Just being nosey if I may.

3.  Most of what I know about this case I've seen on Nancy Grace or read here.  I'm curious how much credibility fellow monkeys give to Leonard Padilla and his statements?  I've heard him mention several times that Casey doesn't think things out in advance, she lives 10 minutes at a time and if that's the case it makes for interesting thoughts on if she was calculating enough to even have a plan/alibi.

4.  We know that the jailhouse video of Casey's reaction to the remains of Caylee being found will not be released to the public.  Will they be able to use this at the trial?

Thanks monkeys in  advance!   

They may not have prepared the body correctly and decomp fluid was expelled due to a build up of gases.  Like coffin birth.

here's a thought.  if cindy knew where the body was, and if she knew how casey had murdered Caylee (if she did strangle her), and if she knew where the body was, with her understanding of anatomy (as a nurse)  whos to say she didn't go out there and take the hyoid bone?  i know thats in left field but it amazes that they could find all those little bones except the one that could give cause of death. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was not looking for this but just came across this.  No mention of swimmies but they did take pullups.

REPEATING POST TO SHOW CORRECTION:

Glad it helped, Desi.(Blushing)

the envelopes with photos must be the photos that casey deleted from her myspace ::MonkeyShocked::

I can only answer #1&#3.

Both have about the same answer. Lenny is the one that has stated numerous times that Casey was seen pacing in the motel parking lot that night/morning. There has been nothing official about it however.

He has also been on Nancy Grace several times and some of his statements have been way out there. However, he hit the nail on the head several times too. He was the one that clued the FBI on the fact of Hoover's tape of D Casey in the wood, for instance. He also made the statement that Caylee's body had been found before it actually was. I do think D Casey may have found her remains before Kronk reported it. It remains to be seen if it is true. He has had much information of what went on in the Anthony household while he had her out on bond. Those are the interviews I want to see. Rob's, Tracy's and Lenny's. It wouldn't hurt my feeling to see his depo in the civil case with Morgan. JMO

i get cha..but for the body to sit up and vomit? 

i hope this person was really dead.. ::MonkeyEek::

As far as being at a hotel that night I only ever heard Leonard Padilla mention that.
He has said it a couple of times on the NG show.  No proof has been forthcoming..
I like a lot of what he says, BUT, I don't forget that he was the one who rushed to Orlando with $50,000 for the bond because he believed what she said     -then he modified it to say he thought she had killed Caylee by accident and he could talk it out of her-  at a time when everyone else was saying "31 days to report your child missing!"   and " it smells like a dead body in the damn car"  -         pleaase... 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm not even going to ask.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

it is what you are thinking...eeww. ::MonkeyShocked::