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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on April 20, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2011, 12:11:55 AM
 ::justice2NJ::

I want to know what the meeting tomorrow is going to be about!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 12:45:06 AM
::justice2NJ::

I want to know what the meeting tomorrow is going to be about!

I'm guessing it's still about any property of Stephany's that Joran may have still had with him when he was captured.  I don't think anything was done at the last meeting since Joran didn't have a lawyer.

jmo

But hopefully we'll know something soon!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 12:51:54 AM
The website is still listed on the paper, but there hasn't been anything on the Aruba Today or Bondia websites for a long time now. 

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aruba-Today/103200349733392

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/06052011_ArubaToday.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 12:58:06 AM
Looks like they're about as good about keeping up their Facebook page as they are their website.

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 01:24:54 AM
Seems like they have more press than guests at the film festival this year.

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/06132011_RenhoandValentijnAIFF.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/06132011_Renho.jpg)
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 01:55:35 AM
Wonder what he considers international...  ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.facebook.com/djdiablo66?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/06132011_SteveCroes.jpg)

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=35860

FLOOR CONTROL ENTERTAINMENT
 
Business address   TANKI LEENDERT 233, NOORD
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   FLOOR CONTROL ENTERTAINMENT
Date of commencement   1 MARCH 2006

OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, CHEREMY REGINALD;
Born in   ARUBA on 14 MAY 1981
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   27 MARCH 2006
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

1. HET ENTERTAINEN VAN HET PUBLIEK IN OF ALLE DAARTOE AANMERKING KOMENDE PLAATSEN;
2. HET OPREDEN EN HET VERZORGEN OF DOEN VERZORGEN VAN MUZIEK PROGRAMMA'S.

Google translation:

1. ENTERTAIN THE PUBLIC IN ALL OR ELIGIBLE TO DO SO PLACES;
2. THE rode AND HANDLING OR DO CARE OF MUSIC PROGRAMS.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 02:27:39 AM
I'm praying for Mr. Flores, that God will give him the strength he needs for the meeting later this morning with the monster.  I hope they've appointed a lawyer, and there are no more delays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW9bfBcIlls

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanysparents.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 02:33:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::

 
::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 14, 2011, 07:22:33 AM
Joran van der Sloot due in court
Published : Tuesday, 14 Jun 2011, 6:45 AM EDT
 ::snipping2::  today

His attorneys will learn more about the evidence that will be presented during his trial for the alleged murder of a Peruvian woman. He's accused of killing Stephany Flores more than a year ago in a Pima hotel room.

The hearing was originally scheduled for last week, but was postponed because van der Sloot did not have an attorney.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpps/news/international/joran-van-der-sloot-due-in-court-wd11-jgr_3847678


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 11:05:36 AM
Dutch murderer has pregnant girlfriend
 Flores Stephany's murderer to sell candy in the criminal and his girlfriend is Peruvian.

 The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who killed the young Stephany Flores, spends a good life in prison "Miguel Castro Castro. " Peruvian love to have a business of candy inside the prison.

 On women, has said that it is a casino worker went where Stephany, and would be expecting a child of the prisoner.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/781381/noticia-holandes-asesino-tiene-novia-embarazada


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
 ::snipping2::

The lawyer for the family of Flores, Edward Alvarez, said the Peruvian justice system must end with these privileges to the Dutch. "You can not make this happen. Van der Sloot has a girlfriend is Peruvian and confectionery business in the Castro Castro prison, "said the defender.

"This series of privileges maintained by Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch citizen charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores in Lima, should be investigated and must end," he added.

According to Dutch media, the girlfriend of the alleged murderer of Stephany is a woman who works at the casino where the accused contacted the victim's murder and now visits him and is responsible for care of business inside his cell.

The Dutch couple, according to unofficial Dutch media, would be pregnant, Periodismoenlinea.com website reported.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.larazon.com.pe/online/indice.asp?tfi=LRActualidad05&td=14&tm=06&ta=2011


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
 ::snipping2::
At that hearing were identified Flores Stephany belongings that were in power when Van der Sloot was arrested in Chile. A Justice spokesman said Tuesday's session is scheduled for 13:00 local time in Peru, in the Castro Castro prison, where he is detained Dutch. The spokeswoman gave no details of the items on this new audience that is not public.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/nuevo-juicio-oral-contra-joran-van-der-sloot-1


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 11:16:41 AM
'Joran van der Sloot Girlfriend Pregnant'


 ::snipping2::

Thus Joran a snack or candy business out running and with plenty of good food and earn an extra money. This would he do with his new love.

Last week the Peruvian Ricardo Flores know that works in the casino, Atlantic City, where Joran Stephany met more than one year ago. And the website has raised issues Periodismoenlinea.org unofficial reports that Van der Sloot even father.


 ::snipping2::

According to the businessman, there was someone indirectly involved in the death of his daughter. "An unknown man gave Joran about how much money Stephany bets and won at the poker table." Van der Sloot was in need of money and managed according to Flores that he was successful in his daughter could get a big hit.


CNN reports that the first session on the burden of proof in the Flores case now will be held behind closed doors. Last week it was delayed because Joran lawyer had resigned and he had no defense. Should he not today, then the court will appoint someone to assist Van der Sloot. (Willeke Tersteeg)

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/2444944/2011/06/14/Vriendin-Joran-van-der-Sloot-zwanger.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 11:19:55 AM
Joran van der Sloot father

LIMA - That it goes well with Joran van der Sloot was announced late last week when he appeared to have a new girlfriend. It does not, because according to the latest rumors, the girl is pregnant from the Dutchman, who is accused of killing Stephany Flores.


  Joran van der Sloot. This site requires at least the Peruvian Periodismoenlinea.org.

 Visit

 According to Flores, the father of the girl would visit regularly Joran's cell 'everyday chores "for him to recover. That says Ricardo Flores told Radio Netherlands Worldwide. Flores claims she visits for several weeks to bring Joran in the high-security Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

 ::snipping2::

http://ht.ly/5hoaA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 05:35:43 PM
Dutch murderer has pregnant girlfriend

 Flores Stephany's murderer to sell candy in the criminal and his girlfriend is Peruvian.

 The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who killed the young Stephany Flores, spends a good life in prison "Miguel Castro Castro. " Peruvian love to have a business of candy inside the prison.

 On women, has said that it is a casino worker went where Stephany, and would be expecting a child of the prisoner.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/781381/noticia-holandes-asesino-tiene-novia-embarazada


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 05:38:14 PM
Wild rumors girlfriend became known that since Joran Joran van der Sloot would have a girlfriend, the rumor machine is running at full speed. Now there is a Peruvian news even claimed that the pregnant woman in question would be the Dutchman.

 No further details are known about the alleged pregnancy. Last week news came out that Joran has been constructed with a Peruvian. She visits him regularly in the Castro Castro prison and is reportedly several chores for him. So now Joran has a lucrative business with sweets and snacks in prison and would be the one who provides for his merchandise.

 The Dutchman suspected of killing Stephany Flores is back in court Tuesday. In preparation for the lawsuit by Stephany's mother broke her silence.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2011/wilde-geruchten-over-vriendin-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 06:01:19 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  Another drowning...23 year old soccer player.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/32816-caso-di-hogamento-na-boca-druif.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at mouth druif

tuesday, 14 june 2011 11:49

at height of mouth druif have one caso of hogamento cu did take lugar. at the momentonan here autoridad tanto at ground because; on sea y in air is bezig cu the caso here. the curpa at the momentonan here is drief in sea but autoridad have enough dificultad for saca the curpa for of sea debi cu the sea is enough bruto. update: is deal of eduardo rafael mayora ponce naci 3 of june 1988 y at life was play futbol for rca. come across

(almost a hundred pictures at the link)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2011, 06:10:02 PM
Van der Sloot scheduled to be in court TuesdayFrom Patricia Janiot, CNN
June 14, 2011


Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to appear in a courtroom in Peru Tuesday for a closed-door hearing about evidence in a case involving the killing of a Peruvian woman.

The hearing was postponed last week because van der Sloot did not have legal representation.

Ricardo Flores said the hearing was the first time he saw the alleged killer of his daughter face to face.

"It was a very tough moment," he told CNN shortly after leaving a courtroom inside Lima's Castro Castro prison, noting that it seemed van der Sloot was enjoying many privileges. "I thought I'd see someone skinny ... but no, he was fatter than when he first went to prison."

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/06/14/peru.van.der.sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 14, 2011, 06:15:47 PM
Dutch murderer has pregnant girlfriend

 Flores Stephany's murderer to sell candy in the criminal and his girlfriend is Peruvian.

 The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who killed the young Stephany Flores, spends a good life in prison "Miguel Castro Castro. " Peruvian love to have a business of candy inside the prison.

 On women, has said that it is a casino worker went where Stephany, and would be expecting a child of the prisoner.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/781381/noticia-holandes-asesino-tiene-novia-embarazada

I wonder if it's true about Joran having a pregnant Peruvian girlfriend?  Is this part of some strategy that's been cooked up?  Like maybe Joran should get less time, be able to leave prison on bond (possibly trying to show he's no longer a flight risk) etc., for the child on the way?   Then there's the part of the nationality.  Was a Peruvian girl chosen for a reason?  Or is the girl one of those lovers of bad boys in prison, like the ones that make marriage proposals to the likes of Scott Peterson?  Or maybe the young lady wants $ (think of the income from interviews alone!) or her 15 minutes of fame?  I just don't get it.  Why would a woman want anything to do with Joran, who has blood on his hands?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1386117#msg1386117

Wonder where the "March" came from.  Either she's just barely pregnant, or he became a father in March.

He's been having visits from someone practically since he got there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
If there's not already a baby, maybe it's just another Joran lie.

Melody's expecting again...I'm sure he's gotten the news.

Wouldn't the people in Lima shun a girl that chooses to have a baby by the monster?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 14, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1386117#msg1386117

Wonder where the "March" came from.  Either she's just barely pregnant, or he became a father in March.

He's been having visits from someone practically since he got there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have no idea.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: The article posted you've referenced even says "besides is specula cu joran v/d sloot will owing to become father in month of march ultimo y will is manehando one kiosk for of the jail castro castro at lima."  With translations it can be hard to tell.  The past and present tense seems to be pretty loose at times, as is his/her, she/he  ::MonkeyTongue::  I wonder if it means he has already fathered a child, born last March? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 06:54:06 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1386117#msg1386117

Wonder where the "March" came from.  Either she's just barely pregnant, or he became a father in March.

He's been having visits from someone practically since he got there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have no idea.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: The article posted you've referenced even says "besides is specula cu joran v/d sloot will owing to become father in month of march ultimo y will is manehando one kiosk for of the jail castro castro at lima."  With translations it can be hard to tell.  The past and present tense seems to be pretty loose at times, as is his/her, she/he  ::MonkeyTongue::  I wonder if it means he has already fathered a child, born last March? 

I thought the same, it's so hard to tell with the translations.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 14, 2011, 09:13:16 PM
Peter R. Ferris
 Tuesday, June 14, 2011
 Tuesday in Peru, behind closed doors, the first session of the burden of proof in criminal proceedings against Joran van der Sloot. Did he kill the girl Stephany Flores? Crime Reporter Peter R. Ferris following the case closely. Tonight he talks to us

 ::snipping2::

http://www.eo.nl/programma/knevelenvandenbrink/2010-2011/page/Peter_R__de_Vries/articles/article.esp?article=12513096


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2011, 09:14:14 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Dana/6142011.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
This is the woman that was shot three times by her husband back in March, she's back in Aruba in the hospital.  If I understand correctly, she's paralyzed from the chest down.  I'm glad she lived for her son's sake.  Sad. 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/32835-chaldira-vis-ta-bek-na-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

chaldira vis is back at aruba

tuesday, 14 june 2011 16:20

after of more cu 2 month interna in hospital at colombia, today morning chaldira vis owing to return we island in air ambulance. here at aruba the will is in hand of dr. schwengle, that owing to tum'e at his arrival in ambulance at hospital y owing to ordena for her stay interna for extra cuido y atencion medico. chaldira is at tino, is talk all cos, but owing to stay lam for of his pecho bay downstairs, then not can actuate. chaldira vis owing to become victima of maltrato domestico day 27 of march ultimo, for cual his pareha owing to lose cabes, saca one arm of candela y tir'e in his throat of cual at least 3 ball owing to perfor'e.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 14, 2011, 11:19:25 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  Another drowning...23 year old soccer player.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/32816-caso-di-hogamento-na-boca-druif.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at mouth druif

tuesday, 14 june 2011 11:49

at height of mouth druif have one caso of hogamento cu did take lugar. at the momentonan here autoridad tanto at ground because; on sea y in air is bezig cu the caso here. the curpa at the momentonan here is drief in sea but autoridad have enough dificultad for saca the curpa for of sea debi cu the sea is enough bruto. update: is deal of eduardo rafael mayora ponce naci 3 of june 1988 y at life was play futbol for rca. come across

(almost a hundred pictures at the link)

I didn't see any pictures of anyone trying to revive him. It looked like they just dumped him into the back of a police car.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 14, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1386117#msg1386117

Wonder where the "March" came from.  Either she's just barely pregnant, or he became a father in March.

He's been having visits from someone practically since he got there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I remember that not long before he left Aruba for Peru, he posted on his facebook
about going to take a blood test.  Do we know what that was about?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 11:55:19 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  Another drowning...23 year old soccer player.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/32816-caso-di-hogamento-na-boca-druif.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at mouth druif

tuesday, 14 june 2011 11:49

at height of mouth druif have one caso of hogamento cu did take lugar. at the momentonan here autoridad tanto at ground because; on sea y in air is bezig cu the caso here. the curpa at the momentonan here is drief in sea but autoridad have enough dificultad for saca the curpa for of sea debi cu the sea is enough bruto. update: is deal of eduardo rafael mayora ponce naci 3 of june 1988 y at life was play futbol for rca. come across

(almost a hundred pictures at the link)

I didn't see any pictures of anyone trying to revive him. It looked like they just dumped him into the back of a police car.

I'm not sure, but I think his body had been stuck on the rocks out in the rough surf for quite a while.  I'm guessing after the amount of time it took to recover him, they didn't think there was any hope of reviving him.  Sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 14, 2011, 11:56:47 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1386117#msg1386117

Wonder where the "March" came from.  Either she's just barely pregnant, or he became a father in March.

He's been having visits from someone practically since he got there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I remember that not long before he left Aruba for Peru, he posted on his facebook
about going to take a blood test.  Do we know what that was about?

I don't know what that was all about, wish I did!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 15, 2011, 01:27:43 AM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2540190/joran-van-sloot-met-nieuwe-advocaat-zitting.html

Google translation

"Joran van der Sloot with new lawyer on the seat"
Updated: June 15, 2011 6:29 info

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot appeared on Tuesday (Peruvian time) with a new lawyer at a closed hearing.
 
So says Edward Alvarez, a lawyer representing the family of the deceased Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot was "nervous" when he realized that the father of Stephany in the hall, you know the lawyer.

The session, which consisted of two parts, was Tuesday at 12:30 CET and lasted about two hours. First was the father, Ricardo Flores, to see footage from a security camera at the hotel where his daughter in May last year was killed.

Then he had the opportunity to identify items that belonged to his daughter, but that Van der Sloot had been in possession.

Research

The two were included in the same room, but do not look right in the face, says the lawyer. The Tuesday afternoon session of the preliminary inquiry under Alvarez completed and is waiting for the indictment of justice.

After this, the trial against Van der Sloot start. "I expect that within about two months a sentencing", estimates the lawyer.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2011, 08:43:27 AM
Thanks grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-with-peruvian-prosecutors-dpgonc-20110615-fc_13689422 (http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-with-peruvian-prosecutors-dpgonc-20110615-fc_13689422)

Van der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate with Peruvian Prosecutors

Updated: Wednesday, 15 Jun 2011, 7:25 AM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 15 Jun 2011, 7:25 AM CDT

(NewsCore) -  Joran van der Sloot, previously linked to the disappearance of US teen Natalee Holloway, has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in Peru over the murder of a local woman, raising hopes of a quicker conclusion to the case. Formal charges could be filed against the Dutchman as soon as Wednesday.

The 23 year old appeared in court in Lima on Tuesday charged with robbing and killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room in May 2010. He addressed the court in Spanish, according to a report in El Comercio.

Edwar Alvarez, a lawyer for the Flores family, told the newspaper that her father Ricardo Flores identified one of his daughter's wallets, found in van der Sloot's possession after he fled to neighboring Chile following her death. The grieving father was described as being calmer than he was last week -- when he first came face to face with the Dutchman in court -- but he choked up as he spoke to reporters outside.

"I have to consult my wife, but I'm 95 percent sure that [wallet] belonged to Stephany," he said.

Alvarez said the Flores family is seeking a sentence of life imprisonment for the Dutchman, considering this would be a "just penalty" for the crimes of robbery and murder. Van der Sloot's former lawyer, who quit unexpectedly earlier this month, had suggested a manslaughter plea with a reduced sentence of three to five years, arguing his client acted in "a fit of rage."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 15, 2011, 10:57:43 AM
Joran van der Sloot agreed to cooperate in court and spoke in Spanish

Ricardo Flores said he was almost certain that the wallet was seized her murdered daughter Stephany Flores

Trade

Nearly 13 months after the crime, for the first time this research goes, the Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), agreed to cooperate with the judges of the Fourth Court Criminal defendants in jail, by the case and addressed them in Spanish during the diligence against him yesterday in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in San Juan de Lurigancho.

This was revealed by Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the Flores family, to leave the meeting, which took place from 2:30 pm until 6 pm "There were three steps at a time. First viewed a video of the Municipality of Miraflores on the day of crime that did not provide any new data, then [Ricardo Flores] had to identify one of the wallets that had stopped to see if it was Stephany, and finally resulted listen to the driver that helped him flee [Ven der Sloot] by land to Chile, but this did not materialize because the attorney [the driver] did not arrive on time, "Alvarez said.

 ::snipping2::

Flores added that this time the Dutchman could only see his back. He insisted that the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) eliminates the supposed benefits that would have in prison, to run a business selling snacks and receive visits, hours unauthorized Peruvian your supposed girlfriend, who would be a casino worker Atlantic City, where he met Stephanie. This Journal INPE consulted on both issues, but got no response.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/782431/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-acepto-colaborar-juicio-hablo-espanol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 15, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
Benefits of a Peruvian prison inmate Dutch

The court hearing held in Lima in the case of Dutch Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, threw in the legal surprises and interesting details about the privileges they enjoy the offender in jail.

 ::snipping2::

The Peruvian judicial system makes significant efforts to provide good service of justice, however, the criminal side is frightening insecurity. The appointment agreed never began at 14:30. She told Radio Nederland Ricardo Flores, father of the girl murdered, after four hours of long wait, and then repair the printer, expected to arrive and lawyers to resolve bureaucratic problems, the judge began the hearing, which had immediately frustrated by the absence of the lawyer for one of the witnesses.

The judge in the case is Dr. Flor de Maria Poma Valdivieso, owner of the Third Criminal Court to prison inmates in the Superior Court of Justice of Lima. At the beginning of the hearing, the judge asked directly the alleged killer: "Do you agree that this process be carried in Castilian hereafter?" Van der Sloot, who has a broad command of Castilian, and repeatedly refused to proceed views citing ignorance of the language, this time he did accept. Next, the judge set the road map of what, hereinafter will be the judicial process in terms of their language.

After that, the judge, as happened in the previous hearing, he asked Van der Sloot if it already had a lawyer. And like the previous occasion, the defendant did not have it, after which the judge asked a lawyer to defend him, and finally assigned a very young age. "I think that this guy is nothing," said Ricardo Flores with some disdain.

Sufficient resources
"I have privileges, I'm fine," said Van der Sloot week to Radio Nederland via an internet communication. The defendant has met adequate resources, from television interviews and by providing charged. It has a number of privileges for those who must pay a daily basis. Including the security service that keeps it separate from other prisoners and lets you have treats inside the prison.
However, perhaps his greatest privilege is to enlist the help of a young woman who accompanied him on the previous hearing, but this time was not present. "That girl works at the casino where he met Stephanie Van der Sloot," said Ricardo Flores of Radio Nederland. Not only that, since the days of visiting female inmates, the girl is engaged in the distribution of gas within the prison of the "Bodeguita" that Europe has been mounting with the money he has received for media interviews to media: "I think that move the merchandise from the shop with the money of the murderer of my daughter," he said Ricardo Flores.

Media interest
According to information from foreign correspondents arrived to Peru to interview Van der Sloot, has created a market around the accused, of which he is benefiting not only economically, but also lets you keep money inside the prison privileges, how to assemble your own business and have access to the Internet and other levels of communication. According to local sources, Joran Van der Sloot would charge about $ 250,000 for each interview.

In statements to our station, Ricardo Flores said she is aware of the impending arrival of a Dutch television crew, whose name I remember, and negotiated and negotiated an interview this week with Van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::

On the one hand, recognizing Van der Sloot speaks Castilian and accept that the process be carried in that language, claim collapses of Habeas Corpus filed in the Constitutional Court, as its central argument is that the Dutch did not speak Castilian at the time police interview.

 ::snipping2::

According to his version, while he and the victim alone in the hotel room where the events occurred, she would have checked his computer while he was in the bathroom, and have found evidence of the murder of another young woman, Natalee Holloway. This fact would have lost to such a degree that killed the young Peruvian. However, the police high tech crime specialist, DIVINDAT would have found that night did not open any files from the personal computer of Van der Sloot, making this approach begins to wane.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/article/privilegios-de-un-reo-holand%C3%A9s-en-c%C3%A1rcel-peruana


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 15, 2011, 11:19:05 AM
Golden prisons

 ::snipping2::

But in Peru it is laughable that some criminal bearing the label of 'high security prison "as the" Castro Castro ". Two separate television reports, some years ago showed that a drug like Tijero Lucio had a 'chalet' as a cell. Marble had the floor, had 29-inch TV, DVD, cable, refrigerator, lamps, rugs, kitchen, phone.

Is that a maximum security prison? Other drug traffickers, such as Piura López Paredes, had a restaurant where they Acurio, offering arroz con pollo, ceviche, lomo saltado and fried rice. In the country there are no real high-security prisons.

If the 'Cholo Jacinto', from the prison of 'Yanamayo', according to a report of his own sister, telephone to threaten to kill his family and-counting-up orders to kill people who oppose the group he leads, who extorts and controls
construction unions in Callao. The "Cholo Jacinto 'has the luxury of keeping two women with children in houses with all appliances and amenities, although their wives do not work.

How do you talk on the phone every day, from a maximum security prison, where the first rule is that the defendant should not have any type of device? I tell you all this because I was struck by the testimony of Ricardo Flores,
Stephanie Flores's father, who was murdered by college Dutchman Joran van der Sloot.

'Rifle' was face to face with the murderer of his daughter and was surprised. "I was chubby and with a good face. Sure, if I have been informed that the criminal to have a kiosk where they sell candy and soft drinks. " If this is true, it would be inconceivable. Furthermore, it is said that Joran would have embarrassed a young woman working at a casino in Lima.

How did he do? If you can only legally be venusterio defendants who are married or living together show. Is the 'Castro' is a maximum security prison or a hotel? ". Geez, what a terrible situation. I'm outraged. Take care.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/782439/noticia-carceles-doradas


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2011, 12:50:21 PM
June 15, 2011
Formal charges to be filed soon against Joran van der Sloot


Joran van der Sloot and his new private defense attorney were in court on Tuesday for a preliminary hearing. The hearing was held behind closed doors at the Castro Castro prison outside of Lima. No cameras were allowed.

A source close to the case told In Session van der Sloot was shown several surveillance videos including one of himself leaving the Atlantic Casino with victim Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot identified himself in the video and spoke fluent Spanish during the proceeding.

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, was also present. He was asked to identify a wallet that was found inside van der Sloot's backpack when he was apprehended in Chile in June of 2010. The wallet belonged to his daughter Stephany. Ricardo Flores told the court he had given her $2,000 in cash to purchase a laptop the day before she was murdered.

On Wednesday, the case will go to the prosecutor's office so that formal charges may be filed. Once charges are filed, a three-judge panel will set the date for the oral trial to begin.

<snipped>

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/15/formal-charges-to-be-filed-soon-against-joran-van-der-sloot/


 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
Joran van der Sloot case headed to prosecutor's office
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 15, 2011 -- Updated 1504 GMT (2304 HKT)


(CNN) -- The case against Joran Van der Sloot, who is suspected of killing a woman in a Peruvian hotel, was headed to the prosecutor's office on Wednesday.

Van der Sloot and his new private defense attorney were in court on Tuesday for a preliminary hearing. The hearing was held behind closed doors at the Castro Castro prison outside of Lima. No cameras were allowed.

<snipped>

He was arrested in May 2010 following the death of Stephany Flores.

Formal charges could take up to two months to be filed, depending on the backlog. Once charges are filed against him, a three-judge panel will set the date for a trial to begin.

"For the Van der Sloot case, we may be looking at five to seven sessions for the oral proceedings, one session per week approximately," said Giovanna Gismondi, an expert on the Peruvian criminal legal system now teaching international relations at the University of Oklahoma.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/06/15/peru.van.der.sloot/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 15, 2011, 01:33:02 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot's Girlfriend Rumored To Be Pregnant With His Child

Joran van der Sloot, the imprisoned Dutch native charged with killing a woman in Lima, Peru, and extorting money from the mother of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, may be a father-to-be.

The rumor that the Dutchman enjoys private visits from a Peruvian girlfriend, who is now rumored to be pregnant with his child, surfaced in several foreign media outlets, including Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, SBS Broadcasting and Peru's Periodismo en Línea news agency.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/joran-van-der-sloot-a-fat_n_877416.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 15, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
Thanks grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

YW, texasmom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 15, 2011, 03:40:55 PM
Thank you, Northern Rose, for the articles.  Joran doesn't deserve any privileges.  Two young women are dead, families shattered with grief, and he is living the "good life."  Shameful!  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 15, 2011, 05:16:24 PM
Thank you, Northern Rose, for the articles.  Joran doesn't deserve any privileges.  Two young women are dead, families shattered with grief, and he is living the "good life."  Shameful!  jmo


It makes me sick that he has lead a good life in jail including getting snacks, sex and interviews for $$$$$ when there are two young woman that had their lives cut short. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-prosecution-seeking-life-sentence-for-murder-and-robbery/896.html

Video (in English) at the link


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2011, 06:03:32 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/flores-family-want-life-joran-van-der-sloot

Flores family want life for Joran van der Sloot

Published on 15 June 2011 - 5:53pm

The family of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores who was murdered in a hotel room in Lima a year ago are demanding a life sentence for Joran van der Sloot who is accused of her murder reports Peruvian newspaper El Comercio.

The family say there is clear evidence that robbery was the motive for the murder and not as the Dutchman's defence claims an outburst of emotion. Earlier this month a Dutch friend of Van der Sloot said he asked him for money via an internet messaging system. He says he was broke and desparate. If robbery is the motive behind the killing of Stephany Flores, Van der Sloot could face a life sentence under Peruvian law.

Stephany's father Ricardo Flores told the press that he wants to put an end to the facilities which are at Van der Sloot's disposal in prison. He says the Dutchman is running a shop in sweets and cold drinks in prison and he also recieves visits outside visiting hours.

Mr Flores and Van der Sloot faced one another in court today. The father of the victim was asked to identify a purse found on Van der Sloot when he was arrested. He said he was 95 percent certain the purse belonged to his daughter.

Strategy
During the court session it became apparent that the Dutchman does speak Spanish. His former lawyer, Máximo Altez, claimed his client had been forced to sign a document in Spanish under pressure which stated he understood the charges against him. Now that Van der Sloot has conceded he speaks Spanish the case can no longer be held up when there is no Dutch translator, according to Radio Netherlands journalist Pablo Gámez, who is following the case.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 15, 2011, 06:07:18 PM
Thank you, Northern Rose, for the articles.  Joran doesn't deserve any privileges.  Two young women are dead, families shattered with grief, and he is living the "good life."  Shameful!  jmo


It makes me sick that he has lead a good life in jail including getting snacks, sex and interviews for $$$$$ when there are two young woman that had their lives cut short. 

I agree.  It is like this monster is teflon coated.  He always has "someone" to make his life easier.  He is never held accountable for his actions.  Him and KC would make a perfect pair.  Wonder who would come out alive in that union?   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2011, 06:34:03 PM
Article from last week...if you put the testimony of Joran's friend in Holland together with Stephany's wallet in Joran's possession when he was arrested; good chance he'll get life instead of the 4-5 years he'd been hoping for.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/murder-or-manslaughter-testimony-key-van-der-sloot-trial

Murder or manslaughter? Testimony key in Van der Sloot trial

Published on : 8 June 2011 - 4:46pm | By Edwin Koopman    (photo: ANP)

“He wrote that he’d stop at nothing.” The man in question: Joran van der Sloot, the young Dutchman awaiting trial in Peru for the killing of local young woman, Stephany Flores. The words are those of a friend of Joran, who has told Dutch police how the 24-year-old chatted with him from Peru via the MSN online messaging service and told him he was flat broke and desperate. It appears this testimony could be crucial when it comes to the decision where the Dutchman is to face a murder or a manslaughter charge in Peru.

In May last year, Joran Van der Sloot told his friend that he only had enough money for food. Two days later he killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel room after an evening playing poker. Three days later he was arrested in Chile and extradited to Peru, where he’s been waiting for a year for his trial to begin.

Dutch police questioned his friend in June 2010; one month after Joran van der Sloot was detained in Peru. The interview came after the Peruvian authorities formally asked the Dutch for assistance. A 40-page Dutch report has been delivered to the prosecution and defence teams in Peru. The testimony appears to show the degree of desperation on the part of the defendant, who was in Lima at the time for a poker tournament. It could, in fact, ultimately see him facing a murder charge instead of the lesser charge of manslaughter.

 ::snipping2::

“The information from the Netherlands undermines Van der Sloot’s evidence,” says the lawyer representing the Flores family, Edward Álvarez. It would appear to show that Ms Flores did not die as a result of a fit of rage over the laptop but simply because she refused to give Mr Van der Sloot money. The laptop story is also contradicted by results from the Peruvian police investigation, which reveal that no documents were opened on the laptop on the day of the murder.

Flat broke
Since his arrest, there have been further indications that Joran van der Sloot was and is penniless. The same friend in the Netherlands says Joran begged him - from his cell - to send him money. He says he sent 50 euros for the purchase of soap and toothpaste in prison. Money was also the reason for the departure of Mr Altez as the Dutchman’s lawyer. “Financial disagreement” and differences of opinion about how to conduct the defence case were the reasons given. It is said that Mr Altez stood to earn nothing from the case.

The Flores family lawyer says the Dutch defendant will face a heavy sentence if money was indeed the motive for the killing. “Here, you get life for robbery with murder,” he explains.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2011, 07:05:07 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html (http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html)

Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief

Marisa Krystian | Jun 15, 2011 | 2min:42sec Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief. Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutch man linked to the mysterious disappearance of a young American woman, Natalee Holloway, six years ago inAruba, appeared in a Peruvian closed-door hearing today regarding the killing of a young woman in Peru in May, 2010.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html (http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html)

Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief

Marisa Krystian | Jun 15, 2011 | 2min:42sec Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief. Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutch man linked to the mysterious disappearance of a young American woman, Natalee Holloway, six years ago inAruba, appeared in a Peruvian closed-door hearing today regarding the killing of a young woman in Peru in May, 2010.

 ::snipping2::
Now is the time to hammer Joran about Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2011, 09:30:18 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html (http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html)

Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief

Marisa Krystian | Jun 15, 2011 | 2min:42sec Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief. Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutch man linked to the mysterious disappearance of a young American woman, Natalee Holloway, six years ago inAruba, appeared in a Peruvian closed-door hearing today regarding the killing of a young woman in Peru in May, 2010.

 ::snipping2::
Now is the time to hammer Joran about Natalee.

I agree but just because he said he will cooperate doesn't mean he isn't going to lie.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2011, 09:44:48 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html (http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html)

Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief

Marisa Krystian | Jun 15, 2011 | 2min:42sec Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief. Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutch man linked to the mysterious disappearance of a young American woman, Natalee Holloway, six years ago inAruba, appeared in a Peruvian closed-door hearing today regarding the killing of a young woman in Peru in May, 2010.

 ::snipping2::
Now is the time to hammer Joran about Natalee.

I agree but just because he said he will cooperate doesn't mean he isn't going to lie.
I know -- but they need to VERIFY his statements or all deals are off!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2011, 09:46:15 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html (http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html)

Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief

Marisa Krystian | Jun 15, 2011 | 2min:42sec Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief. Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutch man linked to the mysterious disappearance of a young American woman, Natalee Holloway, six years ago inAruba, appeared in a Peruvian closed-door hearing today regarding the killing of a young woman in Peru in May, 2010.

 ::snipping2::
Now is the time to hammer Joran about Natalee.

I agree but just because he said he will cooperate doesn't mean he isn't going to lie.


Good point San.  It's like the old joke "How can you tell he's lying?"  Answer:  "His lips are moving". 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2011, 10:03:14 PM
http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html (http://tv.ibtimes.com/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-family-breathes-a-sigh-of-relief/895.html)

Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief

Marisa Krystian | Jun 15, 2011 | 2min:42sec Van Der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate, Family Breathes a Sigh of Relief. Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutch man linked to the mysterious disappearance of a young American woman, Natalee Holloway, six years ago inAruba, appeared in a Peruvian closed-door hearing today regarding the killing of a young woman in Peru in May, 2010.

 ::snipping2::
Now is the time to hammer Joran about Natalee.

I agree but just because he said he will cooperate doesn't mean he isn't going to lie.


Good point San.  It's like the old joke "How can you tell he's lying?"  Answer:  "His lips are moving". 

Joran hates Beth so much he will never tell her the truth.  Let's not forget Joran blames Beth for ruining his life.  There has to be something extraordinary in it for him to tell what happened to Natalee.  Even then he will only give bits and pieces.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 15, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
I think Joran is possibly cooperating in Peru knowing he will likely get a longer sentence, which he thinks will keep him out of reach to the U. S. authorities.  Life is the longest sentence he could be given for Stephany's robbery and murder in Peru, but a death sentence is possible if/when he's ever tried in the U. S. for Natalee's murder. 

He's probably been reading the Enquirer.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime-investigation/shocking-reason-natalees-family-wants-joran-freed 

It's all about Joran, for Joran and he seems to have things all worked out for himself to be very comfortable in a prison that most would expect a monster like himself to have been shanked or beaten to death by now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

If the Flores family's request for his extraordinary privileges to be stopped should actually be acted on, and/or if Joran is convicted and sentenced and then actually transferred from the "safe" environment he's in right now, to general population; then it might seem beneficial for him to "make a deal" in Natalee's case.  I just don't see that happening now when he seems to be in control of how he lives in Castro Castro.

jmo



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2011, 10:50:32 PM
I think Joran is possibly cooperating in Peru knowing he will likely get a longer sentence, which he thinks will keep him out of reach to the U. S. authorities.  Life is the longest sentence he could be given for Stephany's robbery and murder in Peru, but a death sentence is possible if/when he's ever tried in the U. S. for Natalee's murder. 

He's probably been reading the Enquirer.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime-investigation/shocking-reason-natalees-family-wants-joran-freed 

It's all about Joran, for Joran and he seems to have things all worked out for himself to be very comfortable in a prison that most would expect a monster like himself to have been shanked or beaten to death by now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

If the Flores family's request for his extraordinary privileges to be stopped should actually be acted on, and/or if Joran is convicted and sentenced and then actually transferred from the "safe" environment he's in right now, to general population; then it might seem beneficial for him to "make a deal" in Natalee's case.  I just don't see that happening now when he seems to be in control of how he lives in Castro Castro.

jmo


I'm for all that!!! But, I am skeptical the US could bring Murder 1 charges against Joran here when they extradite him for just wire fraud. But hey, I'm no lawyer!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
I think Joran is possibly cooperating in Peru knowing he will likely get a longer sentence, which he thinks will keep him out of reach to the U. S. authorities.  Life is the longest sentence he could be given for Stephany's robbery and murder in Peru, but a death sentence is possible if/when he's ever tried in the U. S. for Natalee's murder. 

He's probably been reading the Enquirer.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime-investigation/shocking-reason-natalees-family-wants-joran-freed 

It's all about Joran, for Joran and he seems to have things all worked out for himself to be very comfortable in a prison that most would expect a monster like himself to have been shanked or beaten to death by now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

If the Flores family's request for his extraordinary privileges to be stopped should actually be acted on, and/or if Joran is convicted and sentenced and then actually transferred from the "safe" environment he's in right now, to general population; then it might seem beneficial for him to "make a deal" in Natalee's case.  I just don't see that happening now when he seems to be in control of how he lives in Castro Castro.

jmo


I'm for all that!!! But, I am skeptical the US could bring Murder 1 charges against Joran here when they extradite him for just wire fraud. But hey, I'm no lawyer!  ::MonkeyCool::

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night? 

Kidding aside Wreck, I agree with you about feelin skeptical the US could bring  Murder 1 charges against Joran.  At this point, any amount of jail time and inconvenience that can be meted out to Joran is good imo.  I'm not sure we'll ever see him here in the US for even the wire fraud, but maybe just maybe if it gets that far, maybe some other hands can be played.  I don't know. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2011, 11:22:30 PM
I think Joran is possibly cooperating in Peru knowing he will likely get a longer sentence, which he thinks will keep him out of reach to the U. S. authorities.  Life is the longest sentence he could be given for Stephany's robbery and murder in Peru, but a death sentence is possible if/when he's ever tried in the U. S. for Natalee's murder. 

He's probably been reading the Enquirer.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime-investigation/shocking-reason-natalees-family-wants-joran-freed 

It's all about Joran, for Joran and he seems to have things all worked out for himself to be very comfortable in a prison that most would expect a monster like himself to have been shanked or beaten to death by now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

If the Flores family's request for his extraordinary privileges to be stopped should actually be acted on, and/or if Joran is convicted and sentenced and then actually transferred from the "safe" environment he's in right now, to general population; then it might seem beneficial for him to "make a deal" in Natalee's case.  I just don't see that happening now when he seems to be in control of how he lives in Castro Castro.

jmo


I'm for all that!!! But, I am skeptical the US could bring Murder 1 charges against Joran here when they extradite him for just wire fraud. But hey, I'm no lawyer!  ::MonkeyCool::

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night? 

Kidding aside Wreck, I agree with you about feelin skeptical the US could bring  Murder 1 charges against Joran.  At this point, any amount of jail time and inconvenience that can be meted out to Joran is good imo.  I'm not sure we'll ever see him here in the US for even the wire fraud, but maybe just maybe if it gets that far, maybe some other hands can be played.  I don't know. 
I agree, but I think Joran's comfy prison days in Peru are about over. Senor Flores welds too much power -- he will be headed for general pop soon. That will be his end. I just hope they can somehow get the goods on Natalee before that happens.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2011, 11:23:39 PM
A Measure of Justice

A MIDNIGHT EXPRESS PRISON

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


NOW I AM FOCUSED AND CAN MOVE ONWARD

Medical mystery tour brings Holloway to Okoboji
Saturday, June 11, 2011


<anippws>

Beth Holloway provides travel and safety education to medical professionals gathered Friday for the 7th Annual Lakes Health Conference in Okoboji. Her daughter, Natalee, disappeared in Aruba 6 years ago during a graduation trip.

<snipped?

Natalee has never been found, but theories about Van der Sloot's role in her disappearance gained traction after he was arrested for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian woman he met. He also faces federal extortion and wire fraud charges in the United States for trying to extort money from Beth Holloway in exchange for information that would lead to the recovery of Natalee's body.

"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now," Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward  in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."

<snipped>

http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html

 :smt049

++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


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Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 02:51:47 AM
This is the woman that was shot three times by her husband back in March, she's back in Aruba in the hospital.  If I understand correctly, she's paralyzed from the chest down.  I'm glad she lived for her son's sake.  Sad. 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/32835-chaldira-vis-ta-bek-na-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

chaldira vis is back at aruba

tuesday, 14 june 2011 16:20

after of more cu 2 month interna in hospital at colombia, today morning chaldira vis owing to return we island in air ambulance. here at aruba the will is in hand of dr. schwengle, that owing to tum'e at his arrival in ambulance at hospital y owing to ordena for her stay interna for extra cuido y atencion medico. chaldira is at tino, is talk all cos, but owing to stay lam for of his pecho bay downstairs, then not can actuate. chaldira vis owing to become victima of maltrato domestico day 27 of march ultimo, for cual his pareha owing to lose cabes, saca one arm of candela y tir'e in his throat of cual at least 3 ball owing to perfor'e.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/15-06-2011a.pdf

Google translation:


Chaldira Vis back

ORANGE CITY - Chaldira Vis, by her husband Juan Junior "Blue" Quandt at 26 March was shot in the head, was yesterday morning returned to Aruba. Vis is currently paralyzed Horacio Oduber Hospital staying at the (HOH). The victim over two half months in hospital in Colombia spent for treatment her injuries. Yesterday she was flown by air ambulance back to Aruba and she is staying for extra care and medical attention the HOH. Vis is conscious and can talk, but she is from paralyzed her chest. She will now treated by Schwengle doctor, go rehabilitation.

Quant staying on currently correction Institute Aruba (KIA). Shortly after his action tried Quant commit suicide and was in critical condition hospital. He was few weeks artificially in a coma and was kept taken out since late April.  Since then, he says nothing of the event to remember.


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Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 03:00:36 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::  Another drowning...23 year old soccer player.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/32816-caso-di-hogamento-na-boca-druif.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at mouth druif

tuesday, 14 june 2011 11:49

at height of mouth druif have one caso of hogamento cu did take lugar. at the momentonan here autoridad tanto at ground because; on sea y in air is bezig cu the caso here. the curpa at the momentonan here is drief in sea but autoridad have enough dificultad for saca the curpa for of sea debi cu the sea is enough bruto. update: is deal of eduardo rafael mayora ponce naci 3 of june 1988 y at life was play futbol for rca. come across

(almost a hundred pictures at the link)

I didn't see any pictures of anyone trying to revive him. It looked like they just dumped him into the back of a police car.

I'm not sure, but I think his body had been stuck on the rocks out in the rough surf for quite a while.  I'm guessing after the amount of time it took to recover him, they didn't think there was any hope of reviving him.  Sad.

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/15-06-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Drowning in Boca Grape

ORANGE CITY - The crude Sea Grape at the Boca North Coast Tuesday morning has claimed the lives of Rafael Eduardo Mayora Ponce (23). He was there with friends to spear fish. The rescue attempt ended dramatic because workers initially failed to the body to shore get.

Police spokesman John Larmonie calls the situation a traumatic experience to everyone who was involved. " He is referring not only to the fact that Ponce in the eyes of his friends is drowned, but that his body by large waves were again thrown back on the rocks while relief workers along side were powerless watching.

The police received Tuesday morning around eleven one message of swimmers in the sea behind the lighthouse at West Point in trouble came. Spot appeared three friends who go to to spear fish were.  One of them was there in problems concerned since the sea was very rough. When his Friends wanted to help him, the victim was the rough waves drifted of his friends. The two Ponce's friends did not more and raised the alarm. The helicopter was used to the body of the boy trace. On land, says Larmonie, had been the fire department and the Visibility Team to help the victim from the sea here. Their efforts were However, some hours for nothing , because the rough sea was. He eventually body on a rock right, where the fire under Larmonie "excellent work made 'to the body from Ponce to land. The victim was a football player at the RCA. He was birthday on June 3, 23 years ago.  Police spokesman speaks of a sad Larmonie case. He warns, however, for the hazardous raw sea on the north coast. "The current is strong there. The sea conditions exists in these very bad day for swimming. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 03:01:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Hearing-leaves-van-der-Sloots-legal-options/iTVxJhgyY0C30L21KJT3bQ.cspx
Hearing leaves van der Sloot's legal options unclear
June 16, 2011

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  It looks like self-styled gambler Joran van der Sloot is running out of cards in his legal battles in Peru.

The hearing Tuesday at Lima's Castro Castro prison didn't go well for the young Dutchman accused of robbing and killing 21 year old college student Stephany Flores.

Although van der Sloot admitted he killed Flores when he was interrogated after his arrest last year, his former lawyer was appealing to get that confession tossed out on the grounds Peruvian police didn't provide a qualified translator.  Van der Sloot participated in Tuesday's hearing in Spanish which undercuts that translator claim.  Of course it's possible his new lawyers could claim he's become more fluent in his 13 months in the notorious prison.

 Now that Van der Sloot has conceded he speaks Spanish, the case can no longer be held up when there is no Dutch interpreter, according to Radio Netherlands journalist Pablo Gámez, who is following the case.

But the translator question may be the least of the challenges van der Sloot faces.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 01:43:48 PM
http://www.livinginperu.com/news/15250
Van der Sloot cooperates with judges
June 15, 2011

 ::snipping2::
"First he viewed a video of the Municipality of Miraflores on the day of crime that did not provide any new data, then [Ricardo Flores] had to identify one of the wallets to see if it was Stephany's, and finally he was to listen to the driver that helped Van der Sloot flee by land to Chile, but this did not materialize because the driver did not arrive on time," Alvarez said.

Despite this setback, the lawyer said that the proceedings were completed in the investigation of the case, so the process will pass to the Third Criminal Court for inmates in prison.

"Today we will present the request to the prosecution [to stand trial for robbery followed by death] because we consider life imprisonment a just penalty. We hope that from here on out the case will move quickly," Alvarez said.

Although he looked calmer than during his first appearance last week, Ricardo Flores, father of Stephanie, could not avoid a break in his voice as he remembered the wallet that belonged to his daughter that was recovered by police after the capture of van der Sloot in Chile.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 01:46:53 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-murder-case-moves-forward/SHdUpKl96k-bJJvvkw7kNg.cspx
Van der Sloot murder case moves forward
June 15, 2011

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Tuesday's hearing in a Lima prison had all the twists and turns we've come to expect from anything involving Joran van der Sloot. He's suddenly capable of participating in Spanish and the local media are chasing rumors of a pregnant girl friend who's been helping ease his time in prison.

Federal prosecutors here in Alabama waiting their turn for a crack at Joran van der Sloot are a step closer.

Van der Sloot was indicted last year on federal charges of wire fraud and extortion stemming from an offer to give information about Natalee Holloway's fate in exchange for $250,000.  The feds say he took the money but offered up bogus information.

But the U.S. charges are stuck in a legal queue awaiting the disposition of charges in Peru where van der Sloot is accused of killing 21 year old Stephany Flores.  And after more than a year, it appears that case is finally heading for trial.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 01:49:22 PM
Lots of articles and videos listed at this link:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/natalee/default.aspx
Natalee Holloway/Joran Van der Sloot News



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 01:50:46 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/natalee/timeline.aspx
Timeline of Joran van der Sloot in the news


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 06:58:13 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Fathers-Day-for-van-der-Sloot/N3jXk1rPxUiE-yM5Q0kM3g.cspx
Father's Day for van der Sloot?
June 16, 2011

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  What could be more ironic than an accused killer of the daughters of two families finding out he's about to become a dad right before Father's Day?

Joran van der Sloot is a walking contradiction...so is it any surprise he's about to celebrate Father's Day as two families mourn daughters he's accused of killing?

The rumor burning up the internet is that van der Sloot has a pregnant girl friend who has been visiting him in prison. He's been there for more than a year, so you do the math on when and where she got pregnant...if she is, indeed, pregnant.

Peru's largest newspaper, El Commercio has been unable to confirm that the girl friend is pregnant but tabloids and websites are running with the rumor.

The so far unnamed woman reportedly works at the Atlantis Casino in Lima, Peru where van der Sloot met Stephany Flores. He's accused of robbing and killing the 21 year old student.

He's confessed to killing her but claims it was in a fit of rage after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop in his hotel room.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 07:02:12 PM


(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/e/9/0/e90dca8f-d798-447f-a44b-f2e5a06fbbb6/Story.jpg)
Slideshow:  Father's Day for Van Der Sloot
http://www.cbs42.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=93d77837-cf5a-48c5-84fb-233943490cde



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 16, 2011, 07:44:09 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot DID Have Sex In Jail But Did NOT Get Girlfriend Pregnant - Says Source


Joran van der Sloot’s former lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has told RadarOnline.com: “Joran did not get any girlfriend pregnant while he’s been in jail.”


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/06/joran-van-der-sloot-girlfriend-pregnant-peruvian-jail-castro-castro-false-report-0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on June 16, 2011, 07:47:34 PM
I agree with Wreck. Although they are in prison for a reason, I have a feeling once the lights dim down from all of the media attention, many of the prisoners in CastroCastro will be taken care of as long as they take care of business.Urine is a walking dead man. The Prison administration and the guards are protecting him right now for show, but once the TV cameras go away.. ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2011, 07:57:58 PM
Good to see you KTF  ::HelloKitty::  Tick-Tock...

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 16, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
Greta is going a piece on him tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
6/4/2011 ISA Graduation

www.facebook.com

(Aby Smith is not pictured with the graduates)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_ISAGraduation3-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_ISAGraduation2-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 11:27:28 PM
The "after graduation party" attended by several underage ISA students.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://arubaherald.com/entertainment/118-blackout-party-at-confessions-this-saturday.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_10.jpg)
 ::snipping2::
Also local dj's will be spinnng i.e Diablo, Big Rig and the return of Dj Mark Benson.

www.facebook.com

I think Sebastian may have braces now...if not something's wrong with his mouth.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_04.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_09-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_02.jpg)

Mark Benson in this picture...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_07.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 11:42:49 PM
www.facebook.com

Guess we can tell why Sebas took the overshirt off...ewwww!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_03.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_08-1.jpg)

Joran's old flame Rika on the right...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/06042011_Confessions_05.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 11:44:12 PM
Greta is going a piece on him tonight.

I saw it, thanks for the heads up!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 16, 2011, 11:59:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMN341IDxnI

Peter R. DeVries...in Dutch but I still watched it.    ::MonkeyWink::

They show clips from the recent interview with Stephany's parents, and clips from when Beth went to Castro Castro.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/06162011_PeterRDeVriesYoutube.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2011, 12:02:34 AM
They showed the clip where Beth was talking to Stephany's brother, asking him to give her regards to their mother...  :cry:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2011, 12:16:11 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/16-06-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Relatives Stephany Flores pleaded for life

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The family Flores, survivors of the May 2010 killing Stephany Flores, wish main suspect Joran van der Sloot for robbery is charged. The family has this through the court made ​​the request to the prosecutor.

This is the lawyer for the family in a television interview to know. on the time of his arrest Joran was because of the purse and bank cards Stephany on him. sufficient evidence of robbery and therefore not manslaughter, the family feels. To robbery is not maximum sentence of 25 years, and there is life in Peru to be given. Joran is now insisted that Stephany on a whim he has killed. to It is expected that soon the formal charges against Joran disclosed.  Tuesday was within the Castro Castro prison, where Joran still on remand, a hearing with the New lawyer for Joran.  The hearing was intended to discuss evidence in the case.  Expected to follow several other hearings before the indictment be formalized and a date pinned for the trial.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2011, 12:24:28 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom-1-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2011, 08:12:58 AM
American man is missing.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7667&offId=0&offDate=2011-6

11 hora pasa | Fecha: 16/06/2011 | Horario: 20:11
TA BUSCA UN SER PERSONA DI 62 ANA LO CU TA PERDI, ULTIMO Biaha ELA NA MIRA Barcadera DIASABRA CU SER A PASA

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7667/2_1308270901.jpg)

Trata aki ta di Robert "Bob" Keith Mandelbaum di ana NaCl after 62 Merca, e ta biba after Barcadera

Name: Mandelbaum Name: Robert Keith

Nickname: Bob Geb.plaats: United States of America

Date of Birth: April 25, 1949

Address: Barcadera 32-B

Length: 1.75 m

Build: Slim

Skin color: White

Hair Style: Short

Hair color: Gray

Eyebrows: Full

Beard / Moustache: not applicable

Eye color / type: large, light brown

Nose: Pointed

Lips: Normal

Mouth: Large

Voice: English

Clothing: Unknown

Last Seen: June 11, 2011 to Barcadera 32-B by his partner

Diseases: Was two years ago at P.A.A.Z. treated for depression.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 17, 2011, 09:01:46 AM

Klaas & The AmazingMods,

I realize this post doesn't belong in the Natalee thread, but I wanted to leave it where Kermit would see it, as it relates to indicators of corruption in banking.

This morning I happened upon this article from the Financial Times:

Quote

Biggest banks face capital clampdown (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/521d4450-9859-11e0-ae45-00144feab49a.html#axzz1PX131BN2)

Global regulators are poised to set a new tiered regime of additional capital requirements for about 30 of the world’s biggest banks, in the latest effort to ensure the next financial crisis can be contained.

 ::snipping2::

At least eight banks — three from the US and five from Europe — are being targeted for capital surcharges of 2.5 per cent of their assets, adjusted for risk, on top of the ‘Basel III’ minimum of 7 per cent set by global regulators last year. The list is an informal effort to forge a global compromise and has not been formally circulated.

If the ideas are adopted, ­Citigroup, JPMorgan, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, BNP Paribas, Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays would have to maintain core tier one capital ratios of 9.5 per cent, according to three people briefed on the discussions.

Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS and Credit Suisse would be in the next category down, facing a surcharge of 2 per cent and total minimum ratio of 9 per cent.

 ::snipping2::


Here's what's interesting....  According to Forbes in 2008 (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/18/biz_2000global08_The-Global-2000_IndName.html), Banco Santander   was the 6th largest multinational company in the banking industry alone, and the 21st largest multinational company overall.

Banco Santander (http://www.santander.com) is out of Spain...which, if I recall correctly, is where Briesen was trying to do business on the new port construction in Aruba...without putting it out for bid.

I just thought it was interesting that this huge bank, ranked in the top 25 corporations in the world wasn't included in the list of banks in the Financial Times article.  I have no idea if it means anything, of course, but it does make me wonder why.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2011, 01:09:35 PM
http://arubaherald.com/local/195-the-only-company-with-an-official-interest-to-develop-arubas-new-harbor-is-astec.html

The only company with an official interest to develop Aruba's new harbor is ASTEC         

Thursday, 16 June 2011 09:23
 
 
The Aruba Ports Authority has in place a plan to move the current harbor that is being used for freight ships to Barcadera. The current harbor will be redeveloped in a shopping and recreation area. In order to comply with transparency policies The Aruba Ports Authority had to give the opportunity to all companies that have interest to invest and execute the new plan to show their interest. Although 15 companies showed interest up to now the only company handed in an official bid. This is the company ASTEC. ASTEC is the company that currently operates the cargo harbor of Aruba. The company will need to invest 40 million dollars while The Aruba Ports Authority will invest 22 million dollars.



http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=5014


· Close · Aruba, June 17th, 2011


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 23 AUGUST 1983 under serial number 5044.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
ARUBA STEVEDORING COMPANY (ASTEC) N.V.
 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 23, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   ARUBA STEVEDORING COMPANY (ASTEC) N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   11 AUGUST 1983
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 750,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 168,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 168,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

N.V. EMAN HANDEL MAATSCHAPPIJ
Position   SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER
Since   9 JUNE 1992
 
ARUBA PORTS AUTHORITY N.V.
Position   SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER
Since   11 APRIL 1985
 
MARTIJN TRADING CO N.V.
Position   SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER
Since   11 AUGUST 1983
 
META CORP. N.V.
Position   SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR B
Since   11 AUGUST 1983
 
S.E.L. MADURO & SONS N.V.
Position   SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER
Since   11 AUGUST 1983
 
INTERMODAL CONTAINER SERVICES N.V.
Position   SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR B
Since   14 OCTOBER 1983
 
DE L'ISLE, ERNAND MIKE;
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, DELFT on 2 JULY 1968
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   1 JUNE 2010
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN STUWADOORS-, EXPEDITIE- EN TRANSPORTBEDRIJF, E.E.A. OP HET HAVENTERREIN ALHIER.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2011, 01:14:12 PM
http://arubaherald.com/social/211-invited-aiff-press-members-enjoy-radissons-genuine-hospitality.html

Invited AIFF press members enjoy Radisson’s Genuine Hospitality         

Friday, 17 June 2011 08:18
 
 
The Radisson Aruba Resort Casino & Spa was pleased to host invited press members during their stay on island while covering and reporting on the second Aruba International Film Festival (AIFF), which has been unfolding on the island June 10-16, 2011. The resort also played host to rapper, actor and multi-tiered business mogul Curtis “50 Cent” Jackson who attended AIFF for the red carpet Caribbean premiere of his latest feature film “Things Fall Apart.”
General Manager Rob Smith reported to the media that the resort awarded the star an actual square 50 cent coin from Aruba, which the rapper and actor promised to convert into a piece of jewelry.

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 17, 2011, 03:51:09 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Peruvians-debunk-rumors-van-der-Sloot-has-a/MQ9VRBRr10GKXDePw5-jmQ.cspx

Peruvians debunk rumors van der Sloot has a pregnant girlfriend
Published: 10:43 am
Updated: 12:50 pm

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) - In Joran van der Sloot's world nothing is too outrageous to believe. But the Peruvian prison ministry, INPE, says don't believe stuff like a pregnant girl friend, a lucrative prison concession and snack business or claims of "royal treatment."

All of those charges have been made recently by Ricardo Flores, the father of murder victim Stephany Flores. And the claims and charges escalated after a prison court hearing for van der Sloot this Tuesday on robbery and murder charges.

But the Dutch website AD.NL is quoting an INPE report discounting all the allegations.

The INPE points out that van der Sloot is housed in a restricted wing of the prison with access to only five other prisoners. That would make the claimed snacks concession highly unlikely.

The prison bureau also says van der Sloot has had only one female visitor in his 13 months at the Castro Castro prison and that is believed to be the confrontation between him and Beth Holloway.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 17, 2011, 06:09:28 PM
Thanks, TM.  It's way old news I'm thinking of...

The .pdf link is broken... but I think its that Grupo Trusam I was thinking of this morning.

01/27/2009
A letter, regarding the Barcadera and Oranjestad port projects, from the President of Aruba Ports Authortiy to Grupo Trusam and Grup Maritim TCB S.L.: (http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/42Letter%20to%20Fresnos-Trusam-TCB%20Jan%202009.pdf) 


Here's another letter translated I still had though:
Quote
Mansur comments it to you on matter of APA and Astec   
Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56
Is be seen with the actual Government is bay persisted in break the contract among viewed with the is bay current government persisted in break and contract between between APA and Astec, for so can by delivery and they harbor of Aruba at  one business of APA and Astec, delivered by and equal asin Hafner (haf = harbor) of at Aruba to company of Spaño and grupo Trusam.
Of the Trusam span group. 
One owing to they arguement with Premier Oduber is employ for hustifica this, and for her of they argument Premier Oduber is with hustifica this employ for, and for work on emocion of person is with the is tell/repeats Astec is one monopoly.  Trahan (Form of the word “Work”) emocion on of person is repeats with the is be Astec monopoly.  Esey Esey do not completely correct:  Astec have palabracion (palabra = word) with APA for distribution is not completely correct:  Astec palabracion with have for APA division of the they entrance for service, then platform is wordo maneha for a joint venture of for they entrance and service, ace platform  maneha word is for owing to to joint venture among APA with Astec, they give which APA not have to guarantee Astec none benefit, between APA with Astec, which are grade APA benefit not have to guarantee Astec, all two is core risico.

Is all two core risico.  Click read more for more against. 
In into  situation with government wanted creates
1.   and state government wanted creates
2.   1 with.  Astec, an Aruban business, is Astec, owing to company Aruban, is bay wordo replaces for one compania Spaòo,
2. word replaces owing to bay for Spaòo company,
2. the they you employ of Astec the of they you employ Astec is core risico of bay lose job or they aòa of service, and
3. is bay of risico core or job lose they of aoa service, and
3.  APA APA have to bay garantisa the compania Spaòo one benefit of 12% for aòa! Have to bay garantisa company Spaòo and owing to 12% for of benefit aoa!
 Therefore well a business of cangrew: not have sense for changes Astec for a berdadero owing to business of cangrew not sense have for before owing to change Astec berdadero monopoly foreigner, caminda APA is bay become a slave of garantia.  Foreigner monopoly, caminda APA become owing to slave is bay of warranty.  For before peak have much asks on the group Spaòo.  Much question top have on the Spaòo group. 
Trusam is a business with is with Trusam owing to company is 54% of Mister Juan Manuel Trujillo and 46% of Jesus Samper, both of nationality spañó.  At the  momentonan here the two persons the at here momentonan and two persons here is bringá with another, ye difference of opinion among they are seems here with is bring other, the difference between they are of opinion parcels of is affecting their businesses negatively. Of they are businesses affected negatively.  In into the days here, one of their companions, and football team Real Murcia the here target, owing to of their companíanan, the of football team Real Murcia will wordo declares bankarota with debenan of more of 30 million Euro. what word should occasion said bankarota with more of of 30 Euro million.  This, this, despite with the equipo atravez of the years had entrances of hundreds despite with the team and across of hundreds of years had entrances of millions of Euro.
miyones of of Euro. 
The these harbour of Aruba, main entrance of virtually all we productonan, harbour of Aruba, virtually main of all productonan us, do not a piece of game “monopoly”; with which we mandatarionan can grade owing to piece is of game "monopoly" with mandatarionan for us make and deshasi for crazy. 
Make and deshasi for crazy.  Is deal of a situation earnest with which have to is of deals owing to serious situation which with have to walks with sum caution.
Walks with caution.  The these fact with first wanted owing to enter in one adventure with Namdar, and now with one with wanted made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo with, with and an now another group are with apparently have problemanan serious, is arise doubts again Another group apparently with have problemanan seriously doubt again is arise in owing to huicio of esnan with have and responsibility of governs the country here give Huici esnan with have of the of governance and accountability country her at present. currently.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on June 17, 2011, 06:14:59 PM

I just found another reference to what I was thinking of.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Check this link, TM, you're the one who brought it over for us, of course!
 

09/09/2009
Front Page of Aruban newpaper shows document proving Minister of Tourism Edison Brieson subverted the public tender process by privately awarding contracts for the new port. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.msg938377#msg938377)

 ::MonkeyGavel::    ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 12:45:11 AM
After Party Closing Night AIFF2011 @ Radisson resort

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1776968&g2_serialNumber=3)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1776959&g2_serialNumber=3)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1776869&g2_serialNumber=3)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1775465&g2_serialNumber=3)


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Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 12:50:39 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1775028

Closing Night Aruba International Film Fest2011 @ Paseo Herrencia

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1775981&g2_serialNumber=3)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 12:53:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom-1-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



 ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 02:15:14 PM
American man is missing.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7667&offId=0&offDate=2011-6

11 hora pasa | Fecha: 16/06/2011 | Horario: 20:11
TA BUSCA UN SER PERSONA DI 62 ANA LO CU TA PERDI, ULTIMO Biaha ELA NA MIRA Barcadera DIASABRA CU SER A PASA

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7667/2_1308270901.jpg)

Trata aki ta di Robert "Bob" Keith Mandelbaum di ana NaCl after 62 Merca, e ta biba after Barcadera

Name: Mandelbaum Name: Robert Keith

Nickname: Bob Geb.plaats: United States of America

Date of Birth: April 25, 1949

Address: Barcadera 32-B

Length: 1.75 m

Build: Slim

Skin color: White

Hair Style: Short

Hair color: Gray

Eyebrows: Full

Beard / Moustache: not applicable

Eye color / type: large, light brown

Nose: Pointed

Lips: Normal

Mouth: Large

Voice: English

Clothing: Unknown

Last Seen: June 11, 2011 to Barcadera 32-B by his partner

Diseases: Was two years ago at P.A.A.Z. treated for depression.

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9083:amerikaan-spoorloos&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

American traceless

Friday, 17 June 2011 9:07 p.m.

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/17-06-2011/699191.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - The American Robert Keith Mandelbaum (62), also known as Bob, since June 11 without a trace.He was on this date last seen by his partner in Barcadera 32b, where the man resides.Mandelbaum is 1.75 meters tall, has a white complexion, a slim build and short gray hair.He has big hazel eyes and full eyebrows speak English.When people see this guy somewhere or learn more about his whereabouts is asked to contact the police at telephone number 100.Mandelbaum was two years ago for depression treatment in the psychiatric ward (psychiatric) from the hospital.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on June 18, 2011, 02:36:47 PM

Klaas & The AmazingMods,

I realize this post doesn't belong in the Natalee thread, but I wanted to leave it where Kermit would see it, as it relates to indicators of corruption in banking.

This morning I happened upon this article from the Financial Times:

Quote

Biggest banks face capital clampdown (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/521d4450-9859-11e0-ae45-00144feab49a.html#axzz1PX131BN2)

Global regulators are poised to set a new tiered regime of additional capital requirements for about 30 of the world’s biggest banks, in the latest effort to ensure the next financial crisis can be contained.

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At least eight banks — three from the US and five from Europe — are being targeted for capital surcharges of 2.5 per cent of their assets, adjusted for risk, on top of the ‘Basel III’ minimum of 7 per cent set by global regulators last year. The list is an informal effort to forge a global compromise and has not been formally circulated.

If the ideas are adopted, ­Citigroup, JPMorgan, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, BNP Paribas, Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays would have to maintain core tier one capital ratios of 9.5 per cent, according to three people briefed on the discussions.

Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS and Credit Suisse would be in the next category down, facing a surcharge of 2 per cent and total minimum ratio of 9 per cent.

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Here's what's interesting....  According to Forbes in 2008 (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/18/biz_2000global08_The-Global-2000_IndName.html), Banco Santander   was the 6th largest multinational company in the banking industry alone, and the 21st largest multinational company overall.

Banco Santander (http://www.santander.com) is out of Spain...which, if I recall correctly, is where Briesen was trying to do business on the new port construction in Aruba...without putting it out for bid.

I just thought it was interesting that this huge bank, ranked in the top 25 corporations in the world wasn't included in the list of banks in the Financial Times article.  I have no idea if it means anything, of course, but it does make me wonder why.

Thank you Lifesong, this is very interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 18, 2011, 02:41:33 PM
 ::snipping2::

The defense of the relatives of Stephany Flores said in a report issued by Frecuencia Latina, the murderer of the girl Dutchman Joran van der Sloot - the father of a baby born on March 30 last.

The son of Van der Sloot would be the result of a murder defendant's relationship with a girl who visited him in the Miguel Castro Castro, who lives in San Juan de Lurigancho, according to family lawyer Stephany Flores, Edward Alvarez Yrala.

The relationship between Van der Sloot and the young Lady Carol Figueroa Uceda (22) have begun a few days after the Dutchman was held in Castro Castro, June 11, 2010.

According to Alvarez Yrala, Figueroa entered the prison compound Uceda "as special visit," for distributing goods to the kiosks that operate inside the prison and the officers of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) know of its inputs and the relationship with the Dutch .

This, according to counsel, would constitute an improper advantage for Van der Sloot, because it never visits venusterio processed your partner, the baby should have been born during the stay of the accused in the criminal-and this alleged corruption betray .

Also, the lawyer revealed that before the 4th Criminal Court of Lima, the Dutch did not deny the existence of the child and said it was a topic of his private life, so I was not going to comment on.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/785717/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-tenido-hijo-durante-reclusion-penal


from RU

Pronkjewail PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:08 am       

According to Telegraaf.nl Jorans mom will go to Lima in the next few days to get the child and bring him to Holland.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 03:12:13 PM
Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 03:19:02 PM
http://www.crimesite.nl/dossier/joran/21428-van-der-sloot-heeft-een-zoon.html

(http://www.crimesite.nl/images/stories/lady_carol.jpg)

Pictures of her throughout this video as well.

http://youtu.be/9uJJ5LNTyYM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 03:27:26 PM
http://www.crimesite.nl/dossier/joran/21428-van-der-sloot-heeft-een-zoon.html

Google translation:

"Van der Sloot has a son '         

SATURDAY, JUNE 18, 2011 11:19

Joran van der Sloot in the prison of San Juan de Lurigancho awaiting his trial for the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, is now father of a son.That the Flores family lawyer said on Peruvian television.The child would become a few months old.The girlfriend of Van der Sloot was with the child living near the prison, San Juan de Lurigancho, a northern district of Lima.After the break videos of mother and child.

The Flores family had earlier brought out that Joran regularly visit a friend would get.But the girl does not work in the casino in Miraflores, where Van der Sloot Stephany Flores met, as was previously thought, says lawyer Edward Alvarez.
The woman is famous in the Castro Castro prison.She is admitted to the kiosks to drive prisoners to supply.Van der Sloot in jail would sell candy and cookies.

"Experience has taught us that there are many people who try to enter the prison to get to know someone.It would not surprise me that we so'n case, "says Alvarez.

The lawyer is referring to the fact that women from the poorer parts of Lima street prostitutes in prison.

The Advocate is the child - Matías - born on March 30.The mother was Lady Carol Figueroa Uceda (22) are.

At its meeting on last week the existence of a child raised.Van der Sloot did not deny it but refused to answer further questions about this, because he rated as a private matter.

The Flores family lawyer said that Van der Sloot apparently 'privileges' that enjoys what he is concerned to show "corruption" within the prison.Van der Sloot has never officially by a Alvarez request for unsupervised visits made.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 03:37:10 PM
http://www.peruinformativo.com/2011/06/ex-abogado-de-van-der-sloot-nego-que-el.html

Google translation:

Ex Van der Sloot's lawyer denied that the Dutch child is father of Peruvian
peruinformativo | Saturday June 18, 2011 | 0 comments 
 
Maximum Highness also ruled that her ex has a business sponsored candy inside the Castro Castro prison

Within days of being held at the Castro Castro prison, Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Ramirez Flores, met  Lady Carol Figueroa Uceda  (22), with which, according to the defense of the bereaved his victim would have had a son.

The Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, told the news program "90 Seconds" Figueroa Uceda enters the prison compound "as special visit" despite the Dutchman never handled this kind of income, which "betray alleged corruption "they have the personal endorsement of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

Furthermore, counsel reported that during a due diligence done before the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima, Van der Sloot avoided answering the existence of the child and said when asked if it was a topic of his private life.

DNA TESTING
However, his former lawyer Max Highness, who resigned two weeks ago to represent "strategic differences" communication denied Figueroa's son Uceda is Dutch.
"The lady has a relative held in Castro Castro, I paid him to take him to Joran their cleaning supplies, some food and the letters his mother sent him from time to time from the Netherlands.Among them, nothing has happened, "he said.


Highness said that there is no evidence indicating that the former sponsor is the father of the child and said that she romantically linked to the confessed murderer of Flores Ramirez is willing to have their child will take a blood sample to be compared with van der Sloot.
"With this statement are causing many problems with it.The girl is willing to have a DNA test performed and I'm sure Joran well.  He is not the father, "he said.

Snack bars
On the other hand, your Highness said that it is true that Van der Sloot has a place of candy inside the Castro Castro prison and enjoys irregular benefits, as the defense said Flores Ramirez family.

"He could not have a business inside the prison because inmates are either jealous with this type of situation.  First you have recently detained and to prevent theft of your goods should be a criminal known and respected, which is not, "he said.

In conclusion, reported that the Dutch still can not find another attorney and that is very difficult because it has no money to pay for their services, therefore, considered that Van der Sloot would face the rest of your process with an assisting counsel .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.perudc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5328:video-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-tenido-un-hijo-en-el-penal&catid=12:noticiasperu

Google translation:

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PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPERTISE

According to the report, psychological assessment that was practiced Joran van der Sloot calculator reveals a personality prone to manipulation and assume the role of victim.This, according to the defense of Flores should be considered by the 40th Criminal Prosecutor to modify, as requested by the aggrieved party, the change of aggravated murder to robbery followed by death, which would warrant a sentence of life imprisonment.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
Pictures of the baby here....

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632821082

Leidy Carol Figueroa Uceda

Born on September 19, 1989


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 04:35:59 PM
A facebook friend of Anita's commented on "how sweet" the baby is earlier today.

Interesting to me that Debbie G. is a facebook friend of that person as well.   ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 18, 2011, 04:56:12 PM
Joran denies paternity ex-lawyer client

 LIMA - It is not true that Joran van der Sloot has a son. That said his former lawyer Máximo Altez against the Peruvian newspaper El Comercio in response to allegations of a Peruvian TV station.

According to Máximo Altez is the mother of the boy, Leydi Figueroa, prepared a DNA test done to show that Van der Sloot is not the father of her child. The woman was Van der Sloot does know something and sometimes have taken him to jail. A service where her Altez paid.

Frecuencia Latina television station reported it earlier Saturday that Joran has a son and his mother a few days to come to Lima to pick up the child and to the Netherlands to take. That information came from the Flores family lawyer, Edward Alvarez. Van der Sloot himself, the existence of the child during the legal research have not confirmed or denied.

He was the boy's mother only days after his incarceration in the Castro Castro prison met. This 22-year Leydi Figueroa lives in the district where the prison lies. The TV station showed pictures of her and the infant.

Frecuencia Latina knew our hands on a psychiatric report on Van der Sloot. In it he described as narcissistic, aggressive, calculating and manipulative, and as someone who likes the victim takes.

Altez said the Dutchman is still looking for a lawyer. Given his poor financial situation of the Peruvian lawyer estimates that he will find no other counsel. In that event, the Peruvian authorities ordered him to pro-Deoadvocaat.

Joran van der Sloot is suspected Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima have been killed. Frecuencia Latina According within a week the formal charges are expected.

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/8951059/Exadvocaat-Joran-ontkent-vaderschap-client.ece


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Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2011, 04:56:36 PM
DADDY'S LITTLE GIRL

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1:
I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony.  I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school.  My pride would have enveloped us both.  I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown.  We would meet in the back of the church for her last moment as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you."  I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire.  At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband.  But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.

+++++++

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
by Dave Holloway
Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 04:57:59 PM
A facebook friend of Anita's commented on "how sweet" the baby is earlier today.

Interesting to me that Debbie G. is a facebook friend of that person as well.   ::MonkeyQuestion::

She's the petitioner here:

http://petities.nl/petitie/joran-van-der-sloot

petitionaris
Linda Leeuwesteijn
gericht aan
Tweede Kamer
verwachte datum van indiening
21-09-2011
status
te behandelen

translated:

details
Permanent link

petitioner
Linda Leo Steyn
sent to
parliament
expected date of submission
09/21/2011
Status
treat

http://www.facebook.com/lindasennaluca?sk=info
 ::snipping2::
Activities and Interests
Other   
Café World, YES, I would leave a casino with Joran Van Der Sloot., Joran van der Sloot, Van Hansis, Cafe World, Cafe World Neighbor Wanted, Cafe World Bonus Collector, CafeWorld Bonus - Speed CW, CNN, Café World Gift App, Joran van der Sloot, Lief Lifestyle, Click "like" if you love your kids!, Jan Kooijman, Crime City Bonus Checker, Crime City, Dordrecht, STUFFER, My Confession, Facebook Nederland


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
Last day of school was June 10th.

http://www.isaruba.com/web%20links/calender.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Social%20Pages/06182011-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
Great to see you caesu!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 05:19:14 PM
caesu,

Did you see Peter R. DeVries interview a few days ago?  If you did, please share!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 06:14:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9186:joran-heeft-een-zoon&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Joran has a son

Saturday, 18 June 2011 7:38 p.m.

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (23), still stuck in the Castro Castro prison in Peru, has a son.The mother of the child, the 22-year-old Carol Leidy Figueroa Uceda are living in the district where the prison staat.Dit ANP reported on a statement from the family lawyer in the Peruvian television station Frecuencia Flores Latina last Saturday .The website of the television shows that Joran is the only woman days after his incarceration in prison, in June last year, had met.According to the Flores family lawyer, Edward Alvarez, know the INPE (Instituto Nacional Penitenciario) agents the right woman, reports Frecuencia Latina.Joran was therefore formally not allowed to receive visits from Figueroa, Alvarez told the TV station.  In addition, they report that the mother of Joran in a few days the boy to come to Lima to learn and then take them to the Netherlands.  While the legal research would Joran the existence of his son have denied.On the website of the TV station is the statement of attorney and Alvarez Figueroa and images of the boy to see.

The TV station also writes about a psychiatric report on Joran.In it he described as narcissistic, aggressive, calculating and manipulative, and as someone who likes the victim takes.

Joran sits on suspicion of murder on the Peruvian student Stephany Flores on May 30 last year.Frecuencia Latina According within a week the formal charges are expected.He is also suspected of involvement in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 06:32:54 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-%E2%80%9Cfather-baby-boy%E2%80%9D

Joran van der Sloot “father of baby boy”

Published on 18 June 2011 - 5:13pm

Joran van der Sloot, who is in a Peruvian prison charged with murder, has fathered a child by a 22-year-old Peruvian woman, says a local television station.

The baby boy, called Matías, is said to have been born on 30 March.

Mr Van der Sloot, a Dutch national, was jailed in early June of 2010 suspected of murdering a 21-year-old Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores.

The television station, Frecuencia Latina, quoted Edward Álvarez, a lawyer who represents Ms Flores’ family.

The baby’s mother, who has been named as Leydi Figueroa, is said to be living near the maximum security prison in Lima where Mr Van der Sloot is awaiting trial.

It’s thought the two met a few days after he was imprisoned on 11 June 2010.

She has visited him in prison on several occasions, even though he is not authorized to receive her there, according to Mr Álvarez.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 18, 2011, 07:32:28 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-baby-story-wont-go-away/30cHvht_w0e3ks3v_fPPkA.cspx

Van der Sloot baby story won't go away

Print Story Published: 4:31 pm Share Updated: 5:14 pm
Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) Is or isn't Joran van der Sloot the father of a prison baby?

Just one of the questions with conflicting claims and answers continuing to swirl out of Lima, Peru and echo on websites worldwide.

Various lawyers make differing claims. The Peruvian prison ministry continues to say "no way". In a rare turn, van der Sloot is refusing to talk about it.

Edward Alvarez Yrala, a lawyer representing the family of murdered student Stephany Flores went on Peruvian television claiming to have identified the alleged mother.

El Commercio, the Lima newspaper in the forefront of local coverage, says it can not confirm the story done on Frequencia Latina in which Alvarez Yrala makes his claims.  Even the first name of the alleged mother changes from source to source.

Van der Sloot's former defense lawyer, Max Altez, claims Carol  Figueroa Uceda ran errands for him inside the Castro Castro prison but denied she had van der Sloot's baby.  According to Altez, Figueroa Uceda is willing to have a paternity test done.

And although it's usually risky to believe anything Joran van der Sloot says, the Dutchman has apparently dismissed questions about the alleged paternity saying its a private matter.

Wow. Who knew there were still more subplots brewing in the already strange van der Sloot saga?
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 03:30:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on June 19, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
I think Joran is possibly cooperating in Peru knowing he will likely get a longer sentence, which he thinks will keep him out of reach to the U. S. authorities.  Life is the longest sentence he could be given for Stephany's robbery and murder in Peru, but a death sentence is possible if/when he's ever tried in the U. S. for Natalee's murder. 

He's probably been reading the Enquirer.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime-investigation/shocking-reason-natalees-family-wants-joran-freed 

It's all about Joran, for Joran and he seems to have things all worked out for himself to be very comfortable in a prison that most would expect a monster like himself to have been shanked or beaten to death by now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

If the Flores family's request for his extraordinary privileges to be stopped should actually be acted on, and/or if Joran is convicted and sentenced and then actually transferred from the "safe" environment he's in right now, to general population; then it might seem beneficial for him to "make a deal" in Natalee's case.  I just don't see that happening now when he seems to be in control of how he lives in Castro Castro.

jmo


I'm for all that!!! But, I am skeptical the US could bring Murder 1 charges against Joran here when they extradite him for just wire fraud. But hey, I'm no lawyer!  ::MonkeyCool::

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night? 

Kidding aside Wreck, I agree with you about feelin skeptical the US could bring  Murder 1 charges against Joran.  At this point, any amount of jail time and inconvenience that can be meted out to Joran is good imo.  I'm not sure we'll ever see him here in the US for even the wire fraud, but maybe just maybe if it gets that far, maybe some other hands can be played.  I don't know. 

I agree Muffy.  Joran is living like a fat cat in a Peruvian jail.  The people behind Joran are going to make sure he never gets extradited to the USA.  He will serve his time and sneak out of Peru or he will be transferred back to the Netherlands to serve his time.  If he is transferred to the Netherlands he will never be touched to face charges in the USA. This is why I prefer that someone do the world a good deed and kill this soulless man.

The people protecting Joran cannot take on the world.  I truly believe someone will kill him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33048-dopv-ta-para-c-jam-party-bus-yena-cu-menor-fiestando-cu-alcohol.html

Papiamentu translation:

dopv is stop c-jam party bus fill cu younger fiestando cu alcohol

sunday, 19 june 2011 01:43

have one ley cu bao of none circumstancia mag of have alcohol abordo of party busnan. in one control saturday night on the c-jam party bus owing to come achieve alcohol scondi. autoridad of dopv owing to stop the bus for one control hour cu owing to hear cu have consumo of alcohol abordo.

was have tocamento very duro self y hobennan younger of edad is dance at one form very ugly. much of the canticanan also was send mensahenan very ugly self cu words bad cual the hobennan was ripiti in coro. fregamento on another very vulgar is part of the celebracion on the party bus. some day happen owing to stop more bus in oranan of night for control. also owing to achieve alcohol y esnan cu is encarga owing to achieve one multa of ministerio publico. always is confisca alcohol y work raport amplio on this. thing owing to sosode saturday is culpa also of the donjonan of the bus self. miss of coperacion cu autoridad cu is haci the control owing to place cu the cos owing to go for of hand till cu have to owing to ask refuerzo of police y yudanza of fiscal of ministerio publico for they can owing to actua. so cu fiscal owing to give hand pound the boss cu have piket owing to enter the bus. owing to come achieve one bag black scondi behind in the bus. first cu esey owing to achieve end one boter of whiskey red label cu was bashi. buscando more far owing to come across cu the bag. owing to busca his donjo y owing to pidie for open the bag. in dje owing to come achieve another boter enough big of whiskey cu also was open. owing to confisca the boternan cu alcohol. the control not owing to termina. owing to follow busca y bao of the dj booth owing to come arise one tapa. bao of the tapa was have scondi one box cu enough can of cerbez. esakinan also owing to wordo confisca. hour dopv owing to stop the bus the blekinan bashi of cerbez owing to leave for of all window y cay on caminda publico. they owing to wordo acumula y poni in one angle near of the wall of bushiri hotel. the donjo of the bag cu boter of whiskey is the young j.f. of barely 15 anja y live at palm beach. the party bus is t-253.

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni18.control_dopv.DSC_0981.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni18.control_dopv.IMG_3566.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni18.control_dopv.IMG_3585.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 10:46:59 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/33035-famia-merryweather-ta-keda-deteni.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni11.Francine_Herby_MdeL.jpg)

family merryweather is stay deteni

saturday, 18 june 2011 16:25

tanto herby because; his madam francine merryweather owing to listen of judge comisario yesterday diabierna cu they detencion is stay prolonga cu one maximo of 16 day more y cu they will bay huis van bewaring at kia now pendiente the investigacion. also they owing to hear cu separa of the suspicion of fraude in tax, cu husticia is sospecha they of labamento of coin also. the caso here cuminsa two year happen end but day 30 of march ultimo owing to enter they cas y oficinanan for one investigacion. the day ey owing to detene herby (tata) y phillip (yiu) because owing to achieve two arm of candela illegal in the casnan. after of 1 week owing to let they in freedom on ordo of judge comisario. but day 8 of june owing to dete they again, the trip here owing to detene the father y mother only, the trip here relaciona cu the caso of fraude in tax. is sospecha the pareha comerciante cu they not was declara they entradanan in form corecto at servicio of tax. the suma overall envolvi in the fraude here do not conoci or ministerio publico not owing to mencion'e still. the locual owing to come new in the caso here is the suspicion of labamento of coin, esey is one acusacion new in the caso big here. is menciona big, because separa of instancianan local, even fiot (fiscaal inlichtingen provided that opsporings team) of the netherlands is take part at the investigacion, cu even owing to inclui visit at finca of family merryweather at colombia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 11:08:35 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-%E2%80%9Cdoes-not-have-a-child%E2%80%9D

Joran van der Sloot “does not have a child”

Published on 19 June 2011 - 12:11pm

Joran van der Sloot’s former lawyer has denied allegations that his ex-client fathered a child by a Peruvian woman.

The woman, Leydi Figueroa, is willing to take a DNA test to prove that Mr Van der Sloot is not her baby’s father, Máximo Altez told Peruvian daily El Comercio.

Mr Altez said he paid the woman on several occasions to deliver things to Mr Van der Sloot in prison.

On Saturday, television station Frecuencia Latina said Mr Van der Sloot had fathered a son by Ms Figueroa, adding that his mother is due to travel to Lima to take the baby to Holland.

The broadcaster based its report on statements made by Edward Álvarez, the lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old Peruvian woman Mr Van der Sloot is accused of murdering.

During a pre-trial hearing, Mr Van der Sloot allegedly refused to confirm or deny whether he had fathered a child, saying it was a private matter.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 11:28:15 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-%E2%80%9Cdoes-not-have-a-child%E2%80%9D

 ::snipping2::

Quote
During a pre-trial hearing, Mr Van der Sloot allegedly refused to confirm or deny whether he had fathered a child, saying it was a private matter.

Joran knows good and well it's not a "private matter" when he's in jail charged with murder and did not have the approval for conjugal visits.  He just wants to stay in the news, if he doesn't confirm or deny (not that anyone would have any reason to believe anything that comes out of his mouth) it will stay in the media that much longer.  Just one more slap in the face to the families of his victims, tormenting them with his ability to defy the law even when he's incarcerated! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

The mother of the child was at the first hearing (that was postponed since Joran didn't have a lawyer) why would she have attended that hearing if she's not seriously involved with him?  Unless maybe she was paid to attend to pass along first hand knowledge of what took place?  I thought I'd read that the hearing would be closed to the public.

I also don't understand why Anita would take the baby to Holland, or why for that matter the mother would allow her to do that...  Surely DNA tests can be done in Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 11:32:13 AM
Peruvian Young denies being the girlfriend of Joran Van der Sloot

Uceda Figueroa Lady, the alleged girlfriend of Joran Van der Sloot Dutch, denied having any relationship with him and even said he did not know it (http://even said he did not know it).

As indicated in the program "Sunday", he once went to the Castro Castro prison, where Van der Sloot in custody for the murder of the young Stephany Flores to visit a relative, but at no time met the Dutch.

Also complained that some media are "harassing" his life and his minor son just three months old, and have even been physically assaulted them both in an effort to get pictures.

He said the harassed to demonstrate through a DNA paternity of her child, she said that does not have to prove anything to anyone because your child is already registered with their respective father's name, who said no because they reveal to the press.

Meanwhile, Max Highness, Van der Sloot's lawyer, confirmed that between his client and Figueroa Lady there is no type of relationship.

As indicated, the girl went to the prison to visit a relative and an opportunity he took Van der Sloot some toiletries, which would be the only time they met.

"There is no type of relationship and the child she has is not Joran when he met the girl was already two months pregnant. (http://when he met the girl was already two months pregnant.) I do not know where they got those things (..) are doing serious harm to the lady by the pure, "he said.

"Joran is concerned about the young girl because she is a very good, noble and do not want through it do you any harm. He feels guilty even though he has no blame in this, and want to solve this problem as is, "he added.

He also considered that Lady Figueroa said he does not know his client because he is very nervous.


http://m.rpp.com.pe/2011-06-19-joven-peruana-niega-ser-la-novia-de-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_376807.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 11:36:01 AM
Max Highness says he paid her to take letters and toiletries to Urine
She says she does not know Urine
She says baby daddy is on the birth cert
Baby daddy says that is not true
Urine says she was 2 months prego when they met (he must now be a psycic) and he feels guilty she is going through this

Since when does Urine feel guilt for anything??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
Video: Van der Sloot denied being the father of alleged child
 http://peru.com/actualidad/8233/noticia-video-van-der-sloot-nego-padre-supuesto-hijo-peruano


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
http://www.waltonsun.com/news/author-7007-local-thriller.html

Local author Traci Hohenstein has released her first suspense thriller in a series.

June 19, 2011 9:56 AM

By Deborah Wheeler
850-654-8443

In the writing business for five years, local author Traci Hohenstein released her newest novel last month.

"Burn Out" is a suspense thriller inspired by how the Natalee Holloway case unfolded. The Alabama teen disappeared in Aruba almost six years ago and her mother’s search for answers has captured headlines ever since.

“As a mother of three children, that story struck a chord with me,” she said in an earlier interview. “I couldn’t fathom losing a child let alone not ever knowing what happened to them.”

Hohenstein said "Burn Out" is about a mother whose daughter vanishes when she is 3 years old. From the search to find her child, the woman creates an agency to help find missing persons. One of her first cases is a search for a firefighter who goes missing during a warehouse fire.
 ::snipping2::

http://jlwylie.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/interview-with-author-traci-hohenstein-and-contest/

 ::snipping2::

Where do you get your ideas? Do you ever experience writer’s block? Do you work with an outline, or just write?
I was watching the story of missing teenager Natalie Holloway who disappeared in Aruba during a spring break trip. I was fascinated and heartbroken at the same time. How could a girl in the prime of her life just vanish without a trace? That was the seed of the idea of doing a series about a woman who locates missing persons.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 11:45:10 AM
 ::snipping2::


 He also stated that there is no evidence to suggest that his former client is the child's father, and said Leydi Figueroa is willing to have their child will take a blood sample to be compared with Van der Sloot.
 "With this statement are causing many problems with it. The girl who is willing to do a DNA test and I am sure that Joran too. He is not the father," he said.
 Highness said that it is true that Van der Sloot has a candy stand in the criminal or irregular enjoying benefits, as noted by the family lawyer Ramirez Flores.
 "He could not have a business inside the prison because inmates are either jealous with this type of situation," he said.

http://ojo.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_parent=&txtSecci_id=2&txtNota_id=609735


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
Joran Van der Sloot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfQ0Hj1l_w&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 11:52:30 AM
 ::snipping2::

UPDATE
 The former lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Máximo Altez, challenged the Peruvian newspaper El Comercio said that it is not true that Joran has a son.

 The mother of the boy, Leydi Figueroa, the lawyer would be willing to take a DNA test done to show that Van der Sloot is not the father of her child. The woman was Van der Sloot does know something and sometimes have taken him to jail. A service where her Altez paid.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.blikopnieuws.nl/bericht/130665/Joran_van_der_Sloot_heeft_een_zoon,_of_toch_niet.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 11:54:58 AM
If Joran cared anything about that girl he would have denied the child being his when he had the chance to do so in court...while he was under oath.

I'm sure with this question in the media, the price of an interview with the monster murderer just went up! 

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt096 :smt092 :smt091

Maximo Altez sure does like the media spotlight as well.  That's more than likely the only reason he didn't cut all ties with Joran.
jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 12:01:38 PM
Joran Van der Sloot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfQ0Hj1l_w&feature=player_embedded

Translation please!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 12:02:48 PM
 ::snipping2::

Joran was blackmailing pedophile if he had to sell his body!
He wanted people, he knew it had child pornography on their computers, to extort.

This appears from a chat friend of Joran poker Stan P..

Joran was on May 28, 2010, two days before Stephany's death, only 20 euros. He could no longer pay his hotel room.

"If they throw me out of the hotel I go crazy things. The difference between us is I do not know my limits if I do not get money soon, I will have to sell my body": says Joran against poker friend Stan.
His mother gives him no money because she wants him to get his debts paid off with her.

Stan Joran wanted to help. The 21-year-old boy presents several opportunities for new money to "earn". So he knows a gay man with child pornography on his computer.

 ::snipping2::

http://partypeeps2000.eu/News/12295/Joran-moord-niet-alleen-hij-creeert-ook-leven-Candy-shop-lik-me-lollypopdingen


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 12:06:04 PM
Joran Van der Sloot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfQ0Hj1l_w&feature=player_embedded

Translation please!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope a monkey fluent in Spanish can do that for us.  I can only catch a few words.

Urine
Arsewipe
douchbag

etc.....

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 19, 2011, 12:07:38 PM
If Joran cared anything about that girl he would have denied the child being his when he had the chance to do so in court...while he was under oath.

I'm sure with this question in the media, the price of an interview with the monster murderer just went up! 

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt096 :smt092 :smt091

Maximo Altez sure does like the media spotlight as well.  That's more than likely the only reason he didn't cut all ties with Joran.
jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maximo is gettig more airtime over this than he has been getting before.  WOnder if it is safer for him now to be a media whore since he is no longer Urine's lawyer but only his mouthpiece?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 12:07:58 PM
Joran Van der Sloot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfQ0Hj1l_w&feature=player_embedded

Translation please!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

If anyone comes across a video that shows the document at the end clearly enough so I can type it out and run it through the translator, please post a link.

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
Joran Van der Sloot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfQ0Hj1l_w&feature=player_embedded

Translation please!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope a monkey fluent in Spanish can do that for us.  I can only catch a few words.

Urine
Arsewipe
douchbag

etc.....

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 12:12:33 PM
If Joran cared anything about that girl he would have denied the child being his when he had the chance to do so in court...while he was under oath.

I'm sure with this question in the media, the price of an interview with the monster murderer just went up! 

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt096 :smt092 :smt091

Maximo Altez sure does like the media spotlight as well.  That's more than likely the only reason he didn't cut all ties with Joran.
jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maximo is gettig more airtime over this than he has been getting before.  WOnder if it is safer for him now to be a media whore since he is no longer Urine's lawyer but only his mouthpiece?

He's still representing him in the supposed "human rights violation" complaint they filed concerning his arrest in Chile and the transfer to Peru.  The claim was if he withdrew from it, it couldn't be taken up by another lawyer.  I find that hard to believe.  Maximo enjoys the spotlight just as much as Joran does imo.  He was Joran's lawyer way too long for it not to have been "safe" for him.  Money and media is what it's all about for Maximo.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33062-curpa-haya-na-rif-di-barcadera.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at rif of barcadera

sunday, 19 june 2011 15:28

diadomingo nightfall owing to achieve one curpa stick at some mangroven on one rif fast platform of barcadera. autoridadnan concerni is at the sitio y in careda of 6 or y half doctor at keep owing to constata dead. personal of rescate owing to succeed rescata the curpa y trece ground bek. stay pendiente for more info. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni19.morto.IMG-20110619-00354.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 19, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
With video--interview with Leydi Figueroa Uceda, "The girlfriend of Van Der Sloot"? (in Spanish)

Google translation

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/787268/noticia-madre-supuesto-hijo-van-der-sloot-nego-conocer-al-holandes

Mother of alleged son of Van der Sloot denied knowledge of the Dutch
Uceda Leydi Figueroa says he has only visited the Castro Castro prison to see a familiar
Sunday June 19, 2011 - 3:13 pm

Figueroa Leydi Uceda was romantically linked with the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot, to the point where it was suspected that the Dutchman would be the father of the girl child, born on 30 March.

The lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, Edward Alvarez Yrala, Van der Sloot claimed that prison privileges enjoyed inside of the Miguel Castro Castro, and that would have allowed to father a baby with Figueroa Uceda, who he said constantly visit the confessed murderer of the daughter of his clients.

However, speaking to Channel 5, denied categorically Leydi Uceda Figueroa know Joran van der Sloot, and even more importantly, having a child with him.

The 21 year old said Castro Castro visit to see a familiar, but has never engaged in any conversation or personal relationship with the Dutch, as pointed out by counsel for the Flores family.

These statements are given after Max Highness, the former lawyer for Van der Sloot, also denied any link between his former client and Figueroa Leydi Uceda.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 19, 2011, 09:46:02 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33062-curpa-haya-na-rif-di-barcadera.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at rif of barcadera

sunday, 19 june 2011 15:28

diadomingo nightfall owing to achieve one curpa stick at some mangroven on one rif fast platform of barcadera. autoridadnan concerni is at the sitio y in careda of 6 or y half doctor at keep owing to constata dead. personal of rescate owing to succeed rescata the curpa y trece ground bek. stay pendiente for more info. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni19.morto.IMG-20110619-00354.jpg)

Better shot of where this body was actually found...

It was the body of a man, wonder if it's the missing American?  He lived in the same area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1400277#msg1400277

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7699&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7699/4_1308528902.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2011, 12:03:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeDave_2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06032010_funeral_kissgoodbye.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2011, 12:51:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 20, 2011, 01:20:42 AM
American man is missing.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7667&offId=0&offDate=2011-6

11 hora pasa | Fecha: 16/06/2011 | Horario: 20:11
TA BUSCA UN SER PERSONA DI 62 ANA LO CU TA PERDI, ULTIMO Biaha ELA NA MIRA Barcadera DIASABRA CU SER A PASA

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7667/2_1308270901.jpg)

Trata aki ta di Robert "Bob" Keith Mandelbaum di ana NaCl after 62 Merca, e ta biba after Barcadera

Name: Mandelbaum Name: Robert Keith

Nickname: Bob Geb.plaats: United States of America

Date of Birth: April 25, 1949

Address: Barcadera 32-B

Length: 1.75 m

Build: Slim

Skin color: White

Hair Style: Short

Hair color: Gray

Eyebrows: Full

Beard / Moustache: not applicable

Eye color / type: large, light brown

Nose: Pointed

Lips: Normal

Mouth: Large

Voice: English

Clothing: Unknown

Last Seen: June 11, 2011 to Barcadera 32-B by his partner

Diseases: Was two years ago at P.A.A.Z. treated for depression.

http://amigoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9083:amerikaan-spoorloos&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

American traceless

Friday, 17 June 2011 9:07 p.m.

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/17-06-2011/699191.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - The American Robert Keith Mandelbaum (62), also known as Bob, since June 11 without a trace.He was on this date last seen by his partner in Barcadera 32b, where the man resides.Mandelbaum is 1.75 meters tall, has a white complexion, a slim build and short gray hair.He has big hazel eyes and full eyebrows speak English.When people see this guy somewhere or learn more about his whereabouts is asked to contact the police at telephone number 100.Mandelbaum was two years ago for depression treatment in the psychiatric ward (psychiatric) from the hospital.

Yes TM, could be him


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 20, 2011, 01:33:49 AM
http://www.24horas.com.pe/locales/87091.php

19/06/2011 20:42:42, Time of Peru

The strategy of Joran Van Der Sloot

 ::snipping2::

They spent thirteen months of the murder of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, the trial continued and the victim's family hopes the Dutch murderer Joran Van Der Sloot, is sentenced to life imprisonment. This week was around the version that the criminal would have a son and a relationship with a young Peruvian.

Joran Van Der Sloot remains front pages of newspapers, then a story that not only shows that the murder may go unpunished, but also the weakness of the prison system by the amount of benefits that Europe has Lurigancho.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 20, 2011, 08:19:19 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/06/e-probable-baby/

the probable baby

publication: monday, 20 june 2011.

categoria: general

oranjestad.(aan); faltando some simannan more hour the proceso of joran van der sloot present in corte of husticia at peru is very puito will leave afor. muy provided that particular apparently informenan cu will is circula for some time end joran will owing to saca one muher pregnant till cu the baby owing to nace y will have some month end. daily paper owing to succeed achieve the fotonan of the probable baby. is being sospecha cu apparently will is deal of one muher cu the will conoce during of his estadia at peru y frecuentemente know bishite in jail. mucho more detaye’s not can owing to revela, if here will deal of baby boy or baby girl. con the will conoce the muher do not conoci have strong sospechoso the will can owing to conoce the damita in one of the casinonan cual the will owing to visit cu frequencia. if the informe tocante of the baby is cuadra cu berdad as his family is height or not owing to wordo informe still cu have nieto(a) or niece (o) at peru.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/babyjora1.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/babyjora2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 20, 2011, 02:17:33 PM
Joran van der Sloot’s former lawyer has denied allegations that his ex-client fathered a child by a Peruvian woman.

The woman, Leydi Figueroa, is willing to take a DNA test to prove that Mr Van der Sloot is not her baby’s father, Máximo Altez told Peruvian daily El Comercio.

Mr Altez said he paid the woman on several occasions to deliver things to Mr Van der Sloot in prison.

On Saturday, television station Frecuencia Latina said Mr Van der Sloot had fathered a son by Ms Figueroa, adding that his mother is due to travel to Lima to take the baby to Holland.

The broadcaster based its report on statements made by Edward Álvarez, the lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old Peruvian woman Mr Van der Sloot is accused of murdering.

During a pre-trial hearing, Mr Van der Sloot allegedly refused to confirm or deny whether he had fathered a child, saying it was a private matter.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-%E2%80%9Cdoes-not-have-a-child%E2%80%9D


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 20, 2011, 02:18:33 PM
Van der Sloot baby story won't go away

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) Is or isn't Joran van der Sloot the father of a prison baby?

Just one of the questions with conflicting claims and answers continuing to swirl out of Lima, Peru and echo on websites worldwide.

Various lawyers make differing claims. The Peruvian prison ministry continues to say "no way". In a rare turn, van der Sloot is refusing to talk about it.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-baby-story-wont-go-away/30cHvht_w0e3ks3v_fPPkA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 20, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
 VIDEO] INPE denies that Joran Van Der Sloot has conceived a son in prison.

http://www.frecuencialatina.com/APrimeraHora.php?not=4&idnot=1269


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 20, 2011, 02:26:21 PM
INPE has ruled that Dutch Peruvian girlfriend
 Carol Figueroa indicate that Leydi Uceda is uneven the murderer of Stephany Flores.

 The National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), through a statement, said Carol Freeman Leydi Uceda (22), alleged Dutch couple Joran Van der Sloot is his girlfriend, much less gone to the Castro Castro prison to visit him.

 The document details that Figueroa entered the prison on two occasions since November 10, 2010 to visit inmates Infantas Robinson Edgar Castro, with whom he maintained a relationship, and Luis Parra Hendelbert Dolphin.

 Meanwhile, Dolphin Parra said a friend of the alleged partner Van der Sloot, is currently in prison in Ancon I.

 Leydi Figueroa, in recent statements he denied knowledge of the Dutch version corroborated the former lawyer for Van der Sloot, Maximum Highness, who said the two involved were willing to undergo a DNA test.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/789121/noticia-inpe-descarto-que-holandes-tenga-novia-peruana


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Northern Rose on June 20, 2011, 02:27:58 PM
INPE says Joran van der Sloot is not visited by Miss Figueroa Leydi
 Monday June 20, 2011, 8:34 a.m.
 In response to press reports, indicating that the Dutch and the 22 years are parents of a newly conceived child within the Miguel Castro Castro, the National Penitentiary Institute adamantly denied such a possibility.

 In an official statement, the INPE said that Figueroa Leydi Castro Castro Uceda entered twice since the November 10, 2010 to visit inmates Infantas Robinson Edgar Castro and Luis Parra Hendelbert Dolphin.

 Infantas Castro said the agency prison for 10 months to maintain a relationship with Leydi Figueroa and still communicate fluently. On the other hand, Parra Dolphin Figueroa said a friend of Uceda.

 The INPE said the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, is in an environment of prevention in the Castro Castro prison since last June 11 under the closed ordinary.

 When interviewed, Leydi Figueroa denied knowing the Dutch version corroborated by former Van der Sloot's lawyer, Max Highness, who said the two involved were willing to undergo a DNA test.

http://www.panamericana.pe/locales/87101


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 20, 2011, 09:16:11 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/2447167/2011/06/20/Moeder-vermeende-zoon-Ik-ken-Joran-niet-eens.dhtml

Google translation

Mother alleged son, I know not even Joran

After the former lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Máximo Altez already said that Joran is not the father of the child of Peruvian Uceda Leydi Figueroa, Figueroa himself has now issued a statement. "I've never met Joran, I do not know him. Let alone a child from him, "she says.

 ::snipping2::

privileges
The rumor mill got going after the father of Stephany Flores stated that Joran had a girlfriend who came to visit him regularly. It would also bring all sorts of nice things for him that he resold some of his fellow prisoners.

The leadership of the Castro Castro prison, said the Dutchman does not enjoy special privileges in prison. Joran also would visit only once a woman had. It involves an American, presumably Beth Holloway.

DNA testing
Máximo Altez already discredited the story this weekend and said the mother of the boy even took a DNA test done. According to Van der Sloot Altez she would ever know and like him have taken to the prison. A service where her Altez paid. But the latter is not true according to Figueroa.

indictment
Joran is more than one year in prison in Lima on suspicion of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010 in his hotel room. According to Peruvian media within a week the formal charges are expected. (Willeke Tersteeg)

20/06/11 2:00 p.m.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2011, 01:19:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on June 21, 2011, 10:13:20 AM
Good Morning Monkeys! Just a couple thoughts on recent events:

Maybe we should look into Robinson Edgar Castro, the supposed actual boyfriend of Leidy. Might be a stretch but what if the Flores attorney is trying to get this information to Robinson Edgar Castro?? Start some trouble between him and Joran?

It must really be driving Joran crazy that he went to court twice and none of the usual media outlets cared. He was brushed over for coverage of the Casey Anthony trial. Poor psycho boy didn't get to be top news

God Bless Natalee, Stephanie, and Caylee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2011, 10:34:20 PM
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/06/peruvians_deny_rumors_that_jor.html

Peruvians deny rumors that Joran van der Sloot got girlfriend pregnant in prison

Published: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 11:27 AM     Updated: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 11:28 AM
By Dennis Pillion, al.com

Rumors have circulated on the Internet that Joran van der Sloot has been living large in his Peruvian prison, with tales that he impregnated his girlfriend from prison, that she brought him candy which he sold to other inmates, and even that he's stabbed three other inmates since being incarcerated.

The INPE, Peru's prison ministry, denied those claims in a recent report. The group told Dutch Web site ad.nl that van der Sloot has received no special privileges in prison, that he's only allowed contact with five other inmates, and that he's had only one female visitor in his time at Castro Castro prison.

Van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru for the killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his hotel room last May. He is also suspected in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway, who went missing in Aruba in 2005. Holloway's mother Beth confronted van der Sloot at the Peruvian prison last fall, and may be the lone female visitor that prison officials acknowledge.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2011, 10:41:41 PM
Good Morning Monkeys! Just a couple thoughts on recent events:

Maybe we should look into Robinson Edgar Castro, the supposed actual boyfriend of Leidy. Might be a stretch but what if the Flores attorney is trying to get this information to Robinson Edgar Castro?? Start some trouble between him and Joran?

It must really be driving Joran crazy that he went to court twice and none of the usual media outlets cared. He was brushed over for coverage of the Casey Anthony trial. Poor psycho boy didn't get to be top news

God Bless Natalee, Stephanie, and Caylee

My guess would be that it's more Joran making people wonder than anything.  That's the kind of games he plays with other people's lives.  His not admitting or denying when asked, and saying he wouldn't discuss it because it was a private matter...just fed the suspicions.  He knew that would happen!  jmo

I still wonder why that girl was at Joran's first hearing?  Maybe her boyfriend had a hearing on the same day also?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 21, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
http://www.tvo-peru.com/2011/06/joran-van-der-sloot-busca-inimputabilidad-e-juicio-por-asesinato/

Joran Van der Sloot, seeking immunity from prosecution in murder trial

Posted by jorge Police Monday, June 20th, 2011

A research group at Panorama uncovered new evidence that would show that lawyers for Joran Van der Sloot seek to invalidate any tax investigation and judicial murder admit psychiatric and psychological expertise, they declare to achieve unimpeachable.




Not sure what it's all about, but the video can also be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4zr8x_DR5U


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Anna on June 21, 2011, 11:23:47 PM
Joran probably started the baby rumor for attention, hoping to be paid for another interview.  He must be out of $ again.  This is what he usually does.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: SuzieQ on June 21, 2011, 11:27:15 PM
Maybe one of these bats will get to Joran.

http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/06/vampire-diaries-getting-back-to-my-roots-through-a-deadly-outbreak/

Vampire Diaries: Getting Back to My Roots Through a Deadly Outbreak

Last August, villagers in a secluded section of Peru fell prey to blood sucking vampire bats infected with rabies.  It sounds like the premise for the next vampire movie, but this wasn’t a story line thought up in Hollywood, it was the real deal. Rabies is a deadly disease that affects the central nervous system and is most commonly transferred to humans through a bite from a rabid animal.

 ::snipping2::

Vampire bats spreading rabies has become a growing problem in the Amazon. In Peru, outbreaks of rabies have been occurring with increasing frequency with 4 separate outbreaks reported within the last 2 years. Vampire bats continue to bite people in multiple communities in the Amazon due to unknown reasons.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2011, 12:54:16 AM
I think this may be the woman that is believed to be the one that Joran gained information about Stephany's bets and winnings in the Atlantic City casino in Lima.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_01.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_03.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_04.jpg)

From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_RU.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2011, 12:55:36 AM
Link for the snapshots in my last post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4zr8x_DR5U

Starts at about 7:20


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2011, 12:59:01 AM
Joran probably started the baby rumor for attention, hoping to be paid for another interview.  He must be out of $ again.  This is what he usually does.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Could be, wouldn't surprise me at all!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2011, 01:14:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on June 22, 2011, 03:27:15 PM
I think this may be the woman that is believed to be the one that Joran gained information about Stephany's bets and winnings in the Atlantic City casino in Lima.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_01.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_03.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_04.jpg)

From RU

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/KatherineHerreraGronerth_RU.jpg)

PRE MEDITATION

If my memory is correct, Joran was posting to Jamie on FB,just before he murdered Stephany, and he didn't ask Jamie for money, in fact, he told Jamie that he was working, had a job[/b] I remember it because I discussed it with someone & we hadn't realized that Jamie was still in the picture with his old buddy Joran.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 22, 2011, 08:40:19 PM
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/century-casinos-not-awarded-swiss-casino-project-124346514.html

Century Casinos Not Awarded Swiss Casino Project
 
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., June 22, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Century Casinos, Inc. (NASDAQ Capital Market® and Vienna Stock Exchange: CNTY) announced today that the Swiss authorities have decided to award the casino license to a different project.
The decision of the Swiss Government will be final and is not appealable.
About Century Casinos, Inc.:
 ::snipping2:: The Company also manages the casino at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa in Aruba, in the Caribbean. Century Casinos, Inc. continues to pursue other international projects in various stages of development.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2011, 03:10:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n509688236_414568_7451-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2011, 03:12:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n509688236_414568_7451-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee! 

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2011, 03:20:42 AM
Just heard an advertisement!

Beth Holloway will be on Dr. Drew discussing having a missing child, and the Casey Anthony murder trial tonight on HLN.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tater on June 23, 2011, 11:55:45 AM
Just heard an advertisement!

Beth Holloway will be on Dr. Drew discussing having a missing child, and the Casey Anthony murder trial tonight on HLN.



Thanks for the heads up! I just wish Drew wasn't involved,lol..That man just bores me to tears with his"I'm just trying to wrap my brain around this" comment over and over and then over again...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 23, 2011, 12:38:57 PM
Just heard an advertisement!

Beth Holloway will be on Dr. Drew discussing having a missing child, and the Casey Anthony murder trial tonight on HLN.



Was just about to post this...

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
Beth Holloway is a guest on Dr. Drew right now.

6:00 PM PT
9:00 PM ET


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2011, 09:30:55 PM
Dr. Drew just stated that Beth will be comparing the characters of Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot.

It is my hope that Beth will also be given an opportunity to give comparison of George and Cindy Anthony to Paulus and Anita Van der Sloot.  Each of these parents have prevented justice from prevailing in their ongoing quest to protect their narcissistic children from the legal consequences of their respective wrongdoing.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

++++++

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth Holloway - May, 2010


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 23, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
Beth looks WONDERFUL!!

God BLESS her  ::MonkeyAngel::

Everytime I see her my heart aches for her!

We need a monkey punching Joran

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 23, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
That lawyer is WRONG!!

I think Casey and Joran are VERY much alike!!

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
Beth did excellent in the short amount of time that she was afforded.  She had so much more to share.  Maybe another time.

Joran:

1.  Natalee is alive.
2.  Natalee is dead as a result of an accident.
3.  Paulus is involved in the coverup.

Casey:

1.  Caylee is alive.
2.  Caylee is dead as a result of an accident.
3.  George is involved in the coverup


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
Continued:

4.  Both Joran and Casey are pathological liars.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2011, 09:54:40 PM
That lawyer is WRONG!!

I think Casey and Joran are VERY much alike!!

pb

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2011, 09:55:43 PM
Beth looks WONDERFUL!!

God BLESS her  ::MonkeyAngel::

Everytime I see her my heart aches for her!

We need a monkey punching Joran  

pb

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 23, 2011, 10:29:23 PM
By special request.  You have to click on MORE then it's at the end

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 23, 2011, 10:36:11 PM
By special request.  You have to click on MORE then it's at the end

 ::boxingjoran::


 ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ::  ::boxingjoran::

I like it.  A lot!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2011, 11:21:32 PM
By special request.  You have to click on MORE then it's at the end

 ::boxingjoran::

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 23, 2011, 11:22:33 PM
By special request.  You have to click on MORE then it's at the end

 ::boxingjoran::


 ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ::  ::boxingjoran::

I like it.  A lot!!!

Me too, but I'd like to hit him a LOT harder.    ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: downloadingdaddy on June 24, 2011, 03:44:38 AM
Now that's a lot of fun!
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 24, 2011, 04:57:23 AM
By special request.  You have to click on MORE then it's at the end

 ::boxingjoran::


Thank you, Klaasend!!

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on June 24, 2011, 07:40:46 AM
Klaas !!! How cathartic !!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tater on June 24, 2011, 07:42:18 AM
Beth seems to get more beautiful each time I see her.She did so well last night!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2011, 08:06:02 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33062-curpa-haya-na-rif-di-barcadera.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at rif of barcadera

sunday, 19 june 2011 15:28

diadomingo nightfall owing to achieve one curpa stick at some mangroven on one rif fast platform of barcadera. autoridadnan concerni is at the sitio y in careda of 6 or y half doctor at keep owing to constata dead. personal of rescate owing to succeed rescata the curpa y trece ground bek. stay pendiente for more info. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni19.morto.IMG-20110619-00354.jpg)

Better shot of where this body was actually found...

It was the body of a man, wonder if it's the missing American?  He lived in the same area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1400277#msg1400277

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7699&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7699/4_1308528902.jpg)



http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33278-caso-di-curpa-morto-den-rif-ta-hole-na-un-crimen.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso of curpa dead in rif is smell at one crimen

thursday, 23 june 2011 21:14

recherchenan cu is investigando the caso of the curpa without life achieve stick in the rifnan of barcadera is smell at one crimen. the curpa was in one estado of descompocision y have various version andando. is menciona cu the cara was all disfigura y ireconocible. also have one version cu the curpa was without cabez (head). the person have several day dead. owing to try achieve contactonan via police but they have the caso much close. he perdi self was live at barcadera. have suspicion cu can is the person here but none person wanted confirma. is being menciona cu he was enough depressed y know go for of cas end. pesey self not owing to beat alarma at once. recherche owing to atende cu his pareha on this also. the muher is work in one casino local. recherche owing to interoga the muher for saca last one detaye. he have family in exterior cu is pendiente for achieve know if berdad is they being keri owing to being achieve dead. owing to take away his pareha at aruba where the was live for confrontacion cu the curpa. is wait for cu will hear more of the caso here the dianan we fast.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2011, 08:30:15 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33279-hopi-placa-droga-y-seis-detencion-na-kudawecha.html

Papiamentu translation:

much coin, drugs y six detencion at kudawecha

thursday, 23 june 2011 21:14

one overall of six detencion is thing did take lugar at kudawecha diahuebs night. here the departamento of drugs owing to enter one cas y so place hand on esnan in low world. for some day end have some detencion tumando lugar at aeropuerto of aruba y also at the netherlands. esey nifica cu have person is suministrando the gruponan here cu drugs. the departamento of seccion crimen organiza owing to work rapidamente for finalmente leave duro y throw one inval at kudawecha. owing to coy several kilo of drugs. atributonan for empaketa drugs y also one suma of much thousand guilder. is talk of some diez thousand guilder. not owing to achieve arm of candela. this is one golpi much strong self at low world. one pabien at cuerpo across from drugs cu the tremendo trabao haci. esnan deteni is of nacionalidad local y colombia also.

There are a few pictures here:

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4582:autoridadnan-a-confisca-un-cantidad-grandi-di-droga-ayera-na-kudawecha&catid=1:policial&Itemid=16


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2011, 08:41:06 AM
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/natalee-holloway-s-mom-beth-compares-casey-anthony-and-joran-van-der-sloot

Cindy Adams
Crime Examiner

Natalee Holloway's mom, Beth compares Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot

June 24, 2011 1:49 am ET

Los Angeles, Calif. - On Thursday, Beth Holloway, the mother of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, compared the behavior of the man she believes killed her daughter, Joran van der Sloot and Casey Anthony, who's currently on trial for killing her toddler daughter, Caylee Anthony.

Casey, 25, is accused of murdering Caylee, 2, in the summer of 2008 using chloroform and duct tape.

Natalee, 18, was visiting Aruba in 2005 with her high school graduating class when she vanished after leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot.

“If Casey Anthony is the queen of all liars, then Joran van der Sloot... is without a doubt the king. He is believed to have killed Natalee Holloway...” noted HLN TV host Dr. Drew Pinsky.

Pinsky welcomed Beth to his show to discuss the similarities between Casey and van der Sloot.

“...both of them had the litany of lies – you know... from both of them. Something that I think is even more so striking is this mode of operation from the two,” said Beth.

She noted van der Sloot's story about Natalee's disappearance began similar to Casey's stories about Caylee, saying, the Dutchman initially said “Oh, I left her at the beach. She’s fine. No involvement. She’s alive,” and that Casey said in the beginning she had left Caylee “...with the nanny, she’s fine.”

Beth continued, “Then as things began to get a little warmer and more uncomfortable, then he changed it to, well, it was an accident, something tragic happened, but, you know, it was an accident. Same thing kind of with Casey. Well, it was an accident. Now, they’ve changed them from an alive Natalee and Caylee to a deceased Natalee and Caylee.”

She noted, “...then, now, they both tend to be leading towards now they’ve got them both deceased...”

Psychologist Lisa Boesky, also a guest on the show, chimed in saying, “...I think they both feel that they’re, obviously, above the law, above morals and values... I think the fact that they both alluded the police and investigators for so long really... It shows that level of superiority, that confidence that they told their lies, and it really shows some real lack of remorse, empathy, guilt.”

Pinsky said, “When I talk to profilers, they always make the point that they base their lies on sort of the receptivity of the audience. What the audience is likely to believe in the moment, and you know, they base it on us. People are actually feeling people who have empathy and who would, you know, are concerned and connected with our emotions, and maybe our ability to tolerate these lies evolves in a way that they present them...”

Beth said she describes the phenomenon as a “vortex of lies.”

She added, “...if anybody gets close to the vortex, they get sucked in or the perpetrators begin to throw people into the vortex.”

Pinsky stated he uses the word “vortex” to explain what those who lie do as well.

“...Casey Anthony creates a huge vortex. People like Vasco Thompson get pulled into the vortex. Any passersby just get kind of pulled in...”

Beth also said of Casey, “No parent of a missing, murdered child gives conflicting accounts to explain what happened to their child. And then, their child that’s missing winds up being found dead in three layers of garbage bag.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2011, 08:50:19 AM
Beth seems to get more beautiful each time I see her.She did so well last night!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06192011_BethHollowayFB2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2011, 02:48:04 PM
Beth seems to get more beautiful each time I see her.She did so well last night!!!!

 ::rhino::

Beth also has a "beautiful" heart.  She has the gift to inspire and encourage others.


 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 24, 2011, 07:46:04 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33062-curpa-haya-na-rif-di-barcadera.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at rif of barcadera

sunday, 19 june 2011 15:28

diadomingo nightfall owing to achieve one curpa stick at some mangroven on one rif fast platform of barcadera. autoridadnan concerni is at the sitio y in careda of 6 or y half doctor at keep owing to constata dead. personal of rescate owing to succeed rescata the curpa y trece ground bek. stay pendiente for more info. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni19.morto.IMG-20110619-00354.jpg)

Better shot of where this body was actually found...

It was the body of a man, wonder if it's the missing American?  He lived in the same area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1400277#msg1400277

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7699&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7699/4_1308528902.jpg)



http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33278-caso-di-curpa-morto-den-rif-ta-hole-na-un-crimen.html

Papiamentu translation:

caso of curpa dead in rif is smell at one crimen

thursday, 23 june 2011 21:14

recherchenan cu is investigando the caso of the curpa without life achieve stick in the rifnan of barcadera is smell at one crimen. the curpa was in one estado of descompocision y have various version andando. is menciona cu the cara was all disfigura y ireconocible. also have one version cu the curpa was without cabez (head). the person have several day dead. owing to try achieve contactonan via police but they have the caso much close. he perdi self was live at barcadera. have suspicion cu can is the person here but none person wanted confirma. is being menciona cu he was enough depressed y know go for of cas end. pesey self not owing to beat alarma at once. recherche owing to atende cu his pareha on this also. the muher is work in one casino local. recherche owing to interoga the muher for saca last one detaye. he have family in exterior cu is pendiente for achieve know if berdad is they being keri owing to being achieve dead. owing to take away his pareha at aruba where the was live for confrontacion cu the curpa. is wait for cu will hear more of the caso here the dianan we fast.

So this guy was beheaded?  Must be a suicide right?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 24, 2011, 09:19:41 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/2457132/2011/06/24/Patrick-van-der-Eem-opgepakt.dhtml

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/06242011_ADNL-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2011, 03:54:28 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 25, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33310-dopv-ta-topa-cu-alcohol-riba-banana-bus.html

Papiamentu translation:

dopv is come across cu alcohol on banana bus

friday, 24 june 2011 21:34

diabierna night was have one situation enough fastioso again caminda personal of dopv have to owing to actua. was coriendo on the ruta of boulevard near of cas of governor owing to stop the banana bus for one control. was have one type of party on the bus. owing to resulta cu was one hacimento of year acompaña cu consumo of alcohol. neither although owing to splica ampliamente the week cu owing to happen what can is the consecuencianan, tog have person is abort. in one situation so is the tour operatornan self is core chens of lose they permission of tour bus. police diabierna night have to owing to present at careda. hour cu the personal of dopv owing to go eherce they control owing to come come across cu hendenan cu wanted owing to arise cu they. police owing to arrive y so can owing to haci the trabao. on the bus owing to come across cu icejug fill cu cerbez. the chofer of the bus will achieve one multa also for her violacion of ley here. is important for all esnan cu have tour bus as cuenta y not permiti person lever abordo cu alcohol. if do you wordo stop the chens of lose do you permission is big. esnan cu owing to come enjoy on bus self owing to descend at water y you is stay perhudica for culpa of another.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni24.bananabus.DSC_1624.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2011, 12:23:50 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/books/confessions_of_lady_killer_lCVegl0F1wjuKqN9V3LQxJ

Confessions of a lady killer

Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again

By SUSANNAH CAHALAN

Last Updated: 11:49 PM, June 25, 2011
Posted: 11:20 PM, June 25, 2011

Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson
St. Martin’s Press

Joran van der Sloot sits in a rat-infested solitary cell in Miguel Castro Castro Prison, one of the world’s most violent prisons, awaiting a trial that is expected to begin next month. One of the most hated men in the world is finally humbled.

Or perhaps not. There is a strong possibility that he will elude justice once again. Because Peru does not have life sentences or the death penalty, van der Sloot faces, at most, 35 years. He could be out in as little as 20 months.

That’s the twisted luck that seems to follow van der Sloot, whom many American viewers believe got away with murder.

Six years ago, at age 17, he became the chief suspect in the international case of the missing 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot was the last person to see the young cheerleader alive. Holloway’s body was never found, and he was never convicted of the crime.

Then, in a bizarre twist of fate, five years later, on the very date of Holloway’s disappearance, van der Sloot was implicated in another international homicide. In a seedy Peruvian hotel after a night of gambling, he confessed to savagely pummeling a 21-year-old student to death with his fists. Prosecutors say it was a premeditated murder to rob the young woman of her gambling winnings; van der Sloot’s defense team says it was self-defense and a crime of passion.

The people who’ve met van der Sloot describe him as a sociopath, a predator, a psychopath. Journalists Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, in their new examination of his life, have their own label: “Monster.”

(http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/06/25/postscript/web_photos/joran--300x450.jpg)
AP
Joran van der Sloot is accused of killing Stephany Flores with this bloody shirt, as well as being suspected of killing Natalee Holloway.

 ::snipping2::
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/books/confessions_of_lady_killer_lCVegl0F1wjuKqN9V3LQxJ#ixzz1QLuIZCmE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2011, 12:50:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 26, 2011, 03:43:41 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Just one of those nights  ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyDevil::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on June 26, 2011, 04:40:21 AM
Joran Van der Sloot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxfQ0Hj1l_w&feature=player_embedded

Translation please!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

The girl is saying, she doesn't know Joran and he is not her sons father. Doesn't know why people think Joran is the baby's father. She goes on to say, she is in fear for her life as well as her sons...she was knocked with her son due to photographers trying to take pictures of them. She said, she was at the prison but to visit a relative.

pb



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 26, 2011, 09:39:07 AM
Thanks pb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on June 26, 2011, 11:42:01 AM
Good morning ::HelloKitty::



 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

 ::justice2NJ::

 ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::
A great way to start the day!!   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 26, 2011, 01:20:34 PM
Good afternoon, Mzzz Bee, monkeys and guests!  ::HelloKitty::

One day closer to...  ::justice2NJ::

Are ya hearin me, Joran?  ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 26, 2011, 02:14:09 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-a-Monster/J6rgqUaOJEymCZm7sLBn_w.cspx

Van der Sloot a "Monster"?
Published: 7:58 am
Updated: 9:59 am

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) The title pretty much tells the story.  Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van Der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.

The book by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson is due to ship July 5.  It traces Joran van der Sloot from a chubby, privileged teenager on Aruba to his cell in Peru's Castro Castro prison awaiting charges in the death of one girl and widespread belief he's responsible for the disappearance of another.

His few supporters think he's a persecuted victim.  Many others agree with the authors that he's a monster.  Prison psychiatrists in Peru call him a sociopath.  Others think he's an international serial killer.

One thing for sure, he's inalterably changed the lives of the Holloway and Flores families while grabbing notoriety and attention worldwide.

His dubious fame started the night he left an Oranjestad nightclub with 18 year old Natalee Holloway.  The Mountain Brook teen was on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was never seen again.  Van der Sloot became infamous during the investigation.

Five years of innuendo, false confessions and changing stories.  His supporters claim he is the victim of the vindictive Holloway-Twitty family.  Much of the world thinks he got away with murder.

 ::snipping2::

Dutch film maker Paul Ruven has a movie coming out that retells the story from the eyes of a fictional reporter.

So what does the new book have to add or offer?  It's a comprehensive profile of the problems van der Sloot displayed before and after Natalee Holloway including a jaunt to Thailand when Aruba became too uncomfortable to stay in.  And there's the pervasive thread of getting away with it.

Author Pulitzer told the NY Post, “He seems to be convinced that that he will evade the system once again. He feels like he’s going to emerge from this relatively unscathed.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 26, 2011, 08:58:31 PM
Please pray for my family. My grandaughter, her husband and their two boys, 12 and 5 were killed this morning in a wreck. Someone rear ended them and their car caught on fire.

 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: labubske on June 27, 2011, 12:12:46 AM
Please pray for my family. My grandaughter, her husband and their two boys, 12 and 5 were killed this morning in a wreck. Someone rear ended them and their car caught on fire.

 ::MonkeyTears::


Just said a prayer and will continue to pray for you and your family...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 27, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/2457132/2011/06/24/Patrick-van-der-Eem-opgepakt.dhtml

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/06242011_ADNL-1.jpg)

Some people just can't stay out of trouble.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: downloadingdaddy on June 27, 2011, 12:42:10 AM
Please pray for my family. My grandaughter, her husband and their two boys, 12 and 5 were killed this morning in a wreck. Someone rear ended them and their car caught on fire.

 ::MonkeyTears::

I just said a prayer, I am sorry for your loss. :(


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2011, 03:11:31 AM
Link to SuzieQ's message about her family tragedy that happened Sunday morning in the prayer request thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=21.msg1413206#msg1413206

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2011, 03:22:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/06/den-caso-%E2%80%9Cpoentje%E2%80%9D-material-investigativo-a-yega/

Papiamentu translation:

in caso “poentje” material investigativo owing to arrive

publication: saturday, 25 june 2011.

categoria: general y will can have luz at horizonte

oranjestad.(aan) for some day table of redaccion owing to give investigadornan all oportunidad for they continua buscando for soluciona caso poentje castro. as is conoci for some month end till still the caso keto bay is bao of investigacion sperando on material cu owing to wordo send in exterior. now cu — according fuentenan — recientemente owing to enter material cual will can very important relaciona cu the investigacionnan andando, do not exclui cu will can is deal of one or more cell blackberry in cual will can owing to succeed achieve dato’s cu will port owing to of extremely important cu can help inmensamente for soluciona the caso of productor of the declaration of policy very popular n“un day in bida”.
world faradulero ansioso wanted for her caso of asesinato of “poentje castro” wordo soluciona.
esun or esnan meti cu owing to comete the acto cruel the night or marduga tirando “poentje” in cura of his cas y near of his pickup y consecuentemente owing to come haye dead, till still is desconoci.

autoridad owing to listen y interoga one cantidad of person fuera apparently will owing to enter cantidad of tip.

now cu cierto material owing to enter, investigadornan will can have more caminda for coba y arrive more close for soluciona the caso for evita the become one cold case.

speranza is cu the material cu at last owing to arrive will can guia the investigadornan for tanto family of poentje y his amigonan can breathe cu the capitulo is close. one live human ranca cruelmente is painful y for condena.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 27, 2011, 12:36:51 PM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-tvhighlights27-20110627,0,1324593.story

Monday's TV highlights
   
June 27, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Vanished With Beth Holloway: This new episode investigates the case of a couple who vanished from the streets of downtown Philadelphia and the case of a teenage paperboy becomes the first milk-carton-kid (10 p.m. Lifetime).

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 27, 2011, 11:02:13 PM
http://www.almerevandaag.nl/nieuws/almere/article9905621.ece/%E2%80%98Criminelen-zijn-net-wilde-dieren%E2%80%99

Google translation

"Criminals are like wild animals"
Published on June 25, 11, 19:54 Last updated June 25, 11, 19:55

ALMERE / ODEKE DE JONG -,, a crime reporter's work is like that of an animal trainer. Every day you step into the arena with lions. That works well, but you should always be vigilant.''John van den Heuvel gave this afternoon fifty library visitors a glimpse into his life as a crime reporter for the Telegraph. He did that casually. But, he stressed, if he does not work to his. It's too dangerous. 'The people I write about are like wild animals.''

 ::snipping2::

The crime reporter had last year in regular contact with Joran van der Sloot, who is currently trapped in Peru on suspicion of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot is also associated with the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba. When asked by a visitor or Joran is not just impaired, van den Heuvel responds very diplomatic. ,, There's a screw loose on the guy. Without the psychologist from the cold ground to hang out, I dare say he shows signs of a classic psychopath. "He also describes him as" a smart guy who can adapt "
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2011, 12:56:07 AM
Coming up on a Motion to Compel hearing on Wednesday the 29th in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Lots of docs just filed.  I haven't had time to get or go thru them all but this part did catch my eye.  Satish still a full time student  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5880036938_49f0758826_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on June 28, 2011, 02:41:12 AM
Soooo...Satish is still in high school.    ::MonkeyDevil::


http://www.enjoyaruba.com/education/high_school.htm

Education

High School
 
Colegio EPI Sector Tecnico
Address: Seroe Blanco z/n
Phone: 5822943 / 5838830
 
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2011, 04:02:06 AM
http://www.epiaruba.com/

The Colegio EPI's vocational education in Aruba, founded in August 1997 after a merger of four schools. These schools provide education at level 3 and 4 and the following units: Unit  Salubridad & Servicio , Unit  Economia , Unit  Hospitality & Tourism (English) and Unit  Ciencia & Tecnologia . In total, you can choose from 12 regular programs namely: Pharmacy Assistant, Nursing, Care, Welfare, Administration, Secretarial, Hospitality Management, Culinary Arts, Certified Cook, Architecture, Electrical and Mechanical Engineering.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on June 28, 2011, 01:02:22 PM
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7209/responsetomotiontocompe.png)

Page 4 - "Deepak suffers from depression, mental anguish, loss of reputation, shame, mortification,
hurt feelings, and other mental and emotional distress."

Page 38 - "Satish suffers from depression, mental anguish, loss of reputation, shame, mortification,
hurt feelings, and other mental and emotional distress."

Jeanette Van Vuurden is Deepak and Satishs' psychologist and she is going to give her
deposition on June 14, 2011.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Jeanette/Van+vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Aruba Hospital & Health Care
Current
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Connections
16 connections

Jeanette Van Vuurden's Experience

Master in Clinic Psychology
Goverment
Hospital & Health Care industry
Currently holds this position


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 28, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeanette-van-Vuurden/827315998

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/JeanettevanVuurden06282011FBprofile.jpg)

Jeanette van Vuurden

Worked at Land Aruba (Clinic Psychologist)Studied at University of the Andes, Colombia

Education and Work

Employers   
Land Aruba
Clinic Psychologist

College   
University of the Andes, Colombia
Class of 1987

High School   
Openbaar Atheneum
Class of 1978

Activities and Interests

Other   
Treasure Quest

Basic Information

Sex   Female


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on June 28, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Jeanette/Van+vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Aruba Hospital & Health Care
Current
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Connections
16 connections

Jeanette Van Vuurden's Experience

Master in Clinic Psychology
Goverment
Hospital & Health Care industry
Currently holds this position

Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment Connections

I wonder what kind of school that is?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 28, 2011, 08:58:01 PM
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7209/responsetomotiontocompe.png)

Page 4 - "Deepak suffers from depression, mental anguish, loss of reputation, shame, mortification,
hurt feelings, and other mental and emotional distress."

Page 38 - "Satish suffers from depression, mental anguish, loss of reputation, shame, mortification,
hurt feelings, and other mental and emotional distress."

Jeanette Van Vuurden is Deepak and Satishs' psychologist and she is going to give her
deposition on June 14, 2011.


IIRC  Deepak had lost everything...was empty...before the broadcast...at least that is what he told Jaime. Of course this was also before he was pictured at Carlos and Charlies with Freddy.

In the initial interrogatories they had not yet sought counseling or been diagnosed with anything.  Both were still working.

I remember because I thought...well, it's going to be hard to prove injury...especially to the tune of millions. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 28, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Jeanette/Van+vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Aruba Hospital & Health Care
Current
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Connections
16 connections

Jeanette Van Vuurden's Experience

Master in Clinic Psychology
Goverment
Hospital & Health Care industry
Currently holds this position

Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment Connections

I wonder what kind of school that is?



HMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on June 29, 2011, 06:58:54 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Jeanette/Van+vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Aruba Hospital & Health Care
Current
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Connections
16 connections

Jeanette Van Vuurden's Experience

Master in Clinic Psychology
Goverment
Hospital & Health Care industry
Currently holds this position

Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment Connections

I wonder what kind of school that is?



HMO

Buckeye!!!!! HA HA HA



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2011, 02:58:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
This may not mean a thing, just found it interesting.   ::MonkeyEek::

(Am I slipping into the twilight zone?)   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/russine-van-deutekom-van-vuurden/36/139/3b5

russine van deutekom - van vuurden

Dental Hygienist at Tandartsen praktijk M E Ho Kang You
Aruba

Current
Dental Hygienist at Tandartsen praktijk M E Ho Kang You

Past
Dental Hygienist at dental office H. Hagens

Education
Universiteit voor Tandheelkunde / Opleiding voor Mondhygienisten

Connections
2 connections

russine van deutekom - van vuurden's Experience

Dental Hygienist
Tandartsen praktijk M E Ho Kang You
1985 – Present (26 years)

Dental Hygienist
dental office H. Hagens
1983 – 2005 (22 years)

russine van deutekom - van vuurden's Education

Universiteit voor Tandheelkunde / Opleiding voor Mondhygienisten
HBO
1981 – 1983


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on June 30, 2011, 09:01:58 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/maricela-van-vuurden/28/49/500

maricela van vuurden
administration at Ministerio Publico
Aruba Government Administration

Current
administration at Ministerio Publico
Connections
1 connection
maricela van vuurden's Experience

administration
Ministerio Publico
Government Administration industry
Currently holds this position


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2011, 12:13:06 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-has-a-screw-loose/zlWm4_SoO0q_DDnutERyIg.cspx

Van der Sloot has a "screw loose."

         
Published: 6/28 8:54 am Share Updated: 6/28 3:46 pm

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) - Dutch reporter makes his living covering sensational crimes, but according to Dutch newspaper Almere Vandaag his work is more like an animal trainer.

The newspaper quotes van den Heuvel, who has heavily covered Joran van der Sloot's cases across several contintents, as likening criminals to wild, dangerous animals.

Asked specifically about van der Sloot, van den Heuvel said "There's a screw loose on the guy. Without the psychologist from the cold ground to hang out, I dare say he shows signs of a classic psychopath. "He also describes him as" a smart guy who can adapt. "
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2011, 01:53:50 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n509688236_414568_7451-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee! 

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2011, 11:36:32 AM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.aruba.com/news/entertainment/aiff-announces-winners-of-caribbean-spotlight-series-competition/

AIFF Announces Winners of Caribbean Spotlight Series Competition

 Entertainment     June 21st, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Theaters were sold out for the Caribbean Spotlight Series as there was enormous interest among local audiences in films produced in the region about the region. Judges for the competition were producer and director Emmanual Itier, whose film narrated by Sharon Stone, “The Invocation”, was screened at The Cinemas in Paseo Herencia. Emmanual is French, living in L.A. and a film correspondent for Rock Magazines and MCM, a French MTV network.

Noel de Sousa is a veteran actor and a walking encyclopedia on film. He has played in dozens of movies, including a pivotal role as the family patriarch in “Indian Gangster.” He is a member of the Academy of TV Arts and Sciences, AFTRA and the Hollywood Foreign Press Association.

Rounding out the jury and representing the local viewpoint was MORNING NEWS journalist/photographer Rosalie Klein. Ms. Klein was a producer/production manager in the commercial film industry in New York City for a number of years before coming to live in Aruba in 1980. She has chronicled Aruban current events and particularly the arts since 2003, for a number island based English publications.

The awards dinner was an elegant event around the pool deck of Gold Coast Villas. Aruba’s Minister of Social & Economic Affairs and Culture, Michelle Hooyboer-Winklaar presented the awards.
 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/RosalieKlein_06212011.jpg)

Amazing how very little actual news from Aruba is in some of these publications, but I see Rosalie took the opportunity to promote herself plenty recently.

http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/06272011_TheMorningNews_RosalieKlein.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/06302011_TheMorningNews_RosalieKlein.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 01, 2011, 11:52:18 AM
Wonder if people in Aruba think about what we all think about when we see a picture of Ben King.  I don't care how many "good deeds" he does, he'll always be a murderer protector in my book.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/06272011_TheMorningNews_BenKing2.jpg)


http://boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/9168-kiwanis-international-trahando-hunto-cu-serenity-park-pa-embeyece-nos-naturalesa

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/06252011_BoletinExtracom_Kiwanis_SerenityPark2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ben%20Vocking%20King/BenKing06252011_BoletinExtracom.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on July 01, 2011, 05:26:30 PM
Weren't we supposed to have a another Summary Judgement hearing a few days ago?? Been in the Caylee thread!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2011, 02:48:52 AM
American man is missing.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7667&offId=0&offDate=2011-6

11 hora pasa | Fecha: 16/06/2011 | Horario: 20:11
TA BUSCA UN SER PERSONA DI 62 ANA LO CU TA PERDI, ULTIMO Biaha ELA NA MIRA Barcadera DIASABRA CU SER A PASA

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7667/2_1308270901.jpg)

Trata aki ta di Robert "Bob" Keith Mandelbaum di ana NaCl after 62 Merca, e ta biba after Barcadera

Name: Mandelbaum Name: Robert Keith

Nickname: Bob Geb.plaats: United States of America

Date of Birth: April 25, 1949

Address: Barcadera 32-B

Length: 1.75 m

Build: Slim

Skin color: White

Hair Style: Short

Hair color: Gray

Eyebrows: Full

Beard / Moustache: not applicable

Eye color / type: large, light brown

Nose: Pointed

Lips: Normal

Mouth: Large

Voice: English

Clothing: Unknown

Last Seen: June 11, 2011 to Barcadera 32-B by his partner

Diseases: Was two years ago at P.A.A.Z. treated for depression.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1401005#msg1401005

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/33062-curpa-haya-na-rif-di-barcadera.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at rif of barcadera

sunday, 19 june 2011 15:28

diadomingo nightfall owing to achieve one curpa stick at some mangroven on one rif fast platform of barcadera. autoridadnan concerni is at the sitio y in careda of 6 or y half doctor at keep owing to constata dead. personal of rescate owing to succeed rescata the curpa y trece ground bek. stay pendiente for more info. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juni.juni19.morto.IMG-20110619-00354.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1401043#msg1401043



 ::snipping2::
Better shot of where this body was actually found...

It was the body of a man, wonder if it's the missing American?  He lived in the same area.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9791.msg1400277#msg1400277

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7699&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7699/4_1308528902.jpg)



http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/33594-om-curpa-sin-bida-riba-rif-identifica-como-robert-mandelbaum.html

Papiamentu translation:

om: curpa without life on rif identifica because; robert mandelbaum

friday, 01 july 2011 19:33

by 11 of june 2011 was perdi he americano robert keith mandelbaum, that was live y work at aruba. the day ey, mandelbaum owing to wordo see for ultimo trip in oranan of night at barcadera. on 19 of june 2011 piscadornan owing to achieve one curpa without life at palm island, of cual the identidad not can owing to wordo estableci. all the time investigacion of police owing to show cu the curpa achieve muy probably is of sir mandelbaum. for of investigacion at the curpa by of patholoog-anatoom, owing to leave more far cu the person owing to lose his life by of one crimen. police owing to cuminza one investigacion of the asunto. tocante the contenido of the investigacion will not wordo give none informacion at the instant here. if is so cu husticia is ask publico for informacion, if have personanan cu after of 11 of june 2011 had contacto cu sir mandelbaum, owing to look at the, owing to hear of dje or tocante of dje. if do you person know algo or is think of know algo, are you wordo ask for enter in contacto cu police. do you person can calling cu recherche at santa cruz at telephone 527-2930. could you mail also at dar4@kparuba.com.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 02, 2011, 03:13:24 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Video One

oceanexploration:
Video 1 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Video Three

oceanexploration:
Video 3 Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


++++++++


The Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23
Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 02, 2011, 05:08:23 PM
These are the documents currently available in the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil case.  Each separate one costs $7.50 (would be more if they were more pages).  Remember that this is BEFORE the 6/29/11 motion to compel hearing so I'm not sure of the value to these docs.  I don't want to get them all.  If there are any in particular that are of interest let me know and I'll consider buying otherwise I was going to wait for the judges decision to become available.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/5895195518_26dc21108b_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5275/5894640415_702579f960_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 03, 2011, 03:17:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


 ::justice2NJ::  ::justice2NJ::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 03, 2011, 03:19:32 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Just because I could  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks again Klaas for making this!

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 03, 2011, 09:11:29 AM
::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Just because I could  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks again Klaas for making this!

pb


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It's a great way to start the day.  Or end the day.  Or do anytime time of day.  (or night) 
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2011, 07:05:59 PM
Absolutely Disturbed

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman
:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net. If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


The FBI

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM  »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

<snipped>

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 03, 2011, 09:31:42 PM
::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Just because I could  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks again Klaas for making this!

pb



 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::  It's a great way to start the day.  Or end the day.  Or do anytime time of day.  (or night) 
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::



MB, you are so right... 
::MonkeyHaHa:: 
::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

I'm so glad I suggested it.

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
Older picture, but I don't recall seeing it before. 

http://facebook.com/brenda.derooij

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/11122008_BrendaDeRooij_SatishandDeepak.jpg)

http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/brenda-de-rooij/31/5b8/7a6

Brenda de Rooij

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/brenda-de-rooij-1.jpg)

Administratief medewerker at Wim Bosman
Apeldoorn Area, Netherlands Executive Office

Current
Administratief medewerker at Wim Bosman

Past
Commercieel medewerker binnendienst at Guus diensten
Cost Controller at Casa Tua Restaurants (Aruba)
Officemanager at Aruba Administrative & Financial Services
Financieel adviseur/ Manager at Taduro Finance (Aruba)
Serveerster at Bingo Restaurant (Aruba)
Tour Guide at Rancho Notorius (Aruba)
Beroeps militair at Koninklijke Landmacht
see less...

Translated:

Brenda de Rooij
Administrative assistant at Wim Bosman
Apeldoorn Area, Netherlands Executive Office
current
Administrative assistant at Wim Bosman
fits
Sales Executive office staff at Whitney services
Cost Controller at Casa Tua Restaurants (Aruba)
Office Manager at Aruba Administrative and Financial Services
Financial Advisor / Manager at Taduro Finance (Aruba)
Waitress at Restaurant Bingo (Aruba)
Tour Guide at Rancho Notorius (Aruba)
Professional soldier at Royal Netherlands Army

Education
Schoevers College

Connections
25 connections

Brenda de Rooij's Experience

Administratief medewerker
Wim Bosman
Privately Held; Logistics and Supply Chain industry
May 2011 – Present (3 months)

Commercieel medewerker binnendienst
Guus diensten
Translated: (Commercial office staff assistant Guus services)
Government Relations industry
March 2011 – May 2011 (3 months)

Cost Controller
Casa Tua Restaurants (Aruba)
Restaurants industry
April 2010 – December 2010 (9 months)

Officemanager
Aruba Administrative & Financial Services
Executive Office industry
August 2008 – April 2010 (1 year 9 months)

Financieel adviseur/ Manager
Taduro Finance (Aruba)
Executive Office industry
November 2007 – August 2008 (10 months)

Serveerster
Bingo Restaurant (Aruba)
Restaurants industry
November 2006 – October 2007 (1 year)

Tour Guide
Rancho Notorius (Aruba)
Executive Office industry
July 2006 – December 2006 (6 months)

Beroeps militair
Koninklijke Landmacht
Translated: (military professional Royal Army)
Government Agency; Defense & Space industry
March 2002 – July 2006 (4 years 5 months)

Brenda de Rooij's Education

Schoevers College
ja, Directiesecretaresse (Translated: Yes, Executive Secretary)
2004 – 2006

Brenda de Rooij's Additional Information

Interests:
Paardrijden, Kitesurfen, wakeboarden, dansen, computer
Translated: (Horseback riding, kite surfing, wakeboarding, dancing, computer)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2011, 09:54:11 PM
I lightened this one some, looks like they're in a club...maybe Senor Frogs?

http://facebook.com/brenda.derooij

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/11122008_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2011, 09:56:52 PM
First thing I thought of was Bert de Rooij, but I haven't found a connection to him yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2011, 02:27:51 AM
Surely there will be a charge for possession of the handgun as well?

http://arubaherald.com/court/335-case-against-blauw-in-court.html

Case against “Blauw” in court    

Saturday, 02 July 2011 14:47
 
Juan Junior "Blauw" Quant was led before the judge on Friday. He is being accused of attempt to murder his partner; he had shot her three times. The investigation has not been completed yet and the prosecutor requested for more time. The case is now scheduled to begin on September 23, 2011.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2011, 02:40:11 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06192011_BethHollowayFB2.jpg)


Justice for Natalee! 

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2011, 02:34:37 PM
The Persistence Find

HE TOOK ALE'S WORD AS GOSPEL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 04, 2011, 05:16:50 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

According to Kyle Kingman ... the Persistent crew did not independently locate the trap through searching Aruban waters.  The catalyst as a detective and his brother who were involved in the Natalee Holloway case showed the way.

++++++

The Detective and His Brother

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.
 
Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed.

Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. 
 
Kyle Kingman: Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  If a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Independent of Investigators?

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office

I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains.

So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

S.T.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 04, 2011, 08:39:25 PM
I came across this in FB, anyone else seen it before?  TIA 

Older picture, but I don't recall seeing it before. 

http://facebook.com/brenda.derooij

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/11122008_BrendaDeRooij_SatishandDeepak.jpg)

http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/brenda-de-rooij/31/5b8/7a6

Brenda de Rooij

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/brenda-de-rooij-1.jpg)

Administratief medewerker at Wim Bosman
Apeldoorn Area, Netherlands Executive Office

Current
Administratief medewerker at Wim Bosman

Past
Commercieel medewerker binnendienst at Guus diensten
Cost Controller at Casa Tua Restaurants (Aruba)
Officemanager at Aruba Administrative & Financial Services
Financieel adviseur/ Manager at Taduro Finance (Aruba)
Serveerster at Bingo Restaurant (Aruba)
Tour Guide at Rancho Notorius (Aruba)
Beroeps militair at Koninklijke Landmacht
see less...

Translated:

Brenda de Rooij
Administrative assistant at Wim Bosman
Apeldoorn Area, Netherlands Executive Office
current
Administrative assistant at Wim Bosman
fits
Sales Executive office staff at Whitney services
Cost Controller at Casa Tua Restaurants (Aruba)
Office Manager at Aruba Administrative and Financial Services
Financial Advisor / Manager at Taduro Finance (Aruba)
Waitress at Restaurant Bingo (Aruba)
Tour Guide at Rancho Notorius (Aruba)
Professional soldier at Royal Netherlands Army

Education
Schoevers College

Connections
25 connections

Brenda de Rooij's Experience

Administratief medewerker
Wim Bosman
Privately Held; Logistics and Supply Chain industry
May 2011 – Present (3 months)

Commercieel medewerker binnendienst
Guus diensten
Translated: (Commercial office staff assistant Guus services)
Government Relations industry
March 2011 – May 2011 (3 months)

Cost Controller
Casa Tua Restaurants (Aruba)
Restaurants industry
April 2010 – December 2010 (9 months)

Officemanager
Aruba Administrative & Financial Services
Executive Office industry
August 2008 – April 2010 (1 year 9 months)

Financieel adviseur/ Manager
Taduro Finance (Aruba)
Executive Office industry
November 2007 – August 2008 (10 months)

Serveerster
Bingo Restaurant (Aruba)
Restaurants industry
November 2006 – October 2007 (1 year)

Tour Guide
Rancho Notorius (Aruba)
Executive Office industry
July 2006 – December 2006 (6 months)

Beroeps militair
Koninklijke Landmacht
Translated: (military professional Royal Army)
Government Agency; Defense & Space industry
March 2002 – July 2006 (4 years 5 months)

Brenda de Rooij's Education

Schoevers College
ja, Directiesecretaresse (Translated: Yes, Executive Secretary)
2004 – 2006

Brenda de Rooij's Additional Information

Interests:
Paardrijden, Kitesurfen, wakeboarden, dansen, computer
Translated: (Horseback riding, kite surfing, wakeboarding, dancing, computer)

I lightened this one some, looks like they're in a club...maybe Senor Frogs?

http://facebook.com/brenda.derooij

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Kalpoe%20vs%20McGraw%20Skeeters/11122008_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2011, 12:19:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 05, 2011, 12:57:27 AM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/33695-prolongacion-detencion-preventivo-merryweathers-rechasa-pa-corte-den-prome-instancia.html

Papiamentu translation:

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prolongacion detencion preventivo merryweathers rechasa for corte in first instancia

monday, 04 july 2011 19:14

monday morning one peticion for prolongacion of the detencion preventivo of sir merryweather y madam de lannoy owing to wordo rechasa for corte in first instancia. relaciona cu this, both owing to wordo poni in freedom monday afternoon. fiscal owing to apela the decision here of corte. sir y madam merryweathers was deteni relaciona cu fraude of tax cu did take lugar on one period of diez (10) year y owing to resulta in one benefit of miyones of guilder. for añanan largo, the sospechosonan here owing to entrega aangiftenan of omzet-, winst-, loon- y inkomstenbelasting incorectamente. ministerio publico is considera the size of the fraude suficientemente important for aplica detencion preventivo y is considera also cu detencion is necesario in luz of the trato equal among sospechosonan of delitonan of cen y of fraude.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2011, 11:07:57 AM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

ROV Dive - December 29, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

 
Kyle Kingman:  I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning.  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


ROV Dive - Recovery Dive - January 7, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2011, 06:58:21 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

The ROV Dive - The Visual Dive - December 30, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2011, 12:53:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 06, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/47889-authors-on-the-air-july-6-2011-matthew-algeo-rick-robinson-lisa-pulitzer-lauren-myracle-gene-chizik.html

Authors on the Air July 6, 2011: Matthew Algeo, Rick Robinson, Lisa Pulitzer, Lauren Myracle, Gene Chizik


 ::snipping2::

Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, authors of Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218) will appear on the Today show.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 06, 2011, 01:19:40 AM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/47889-authors-on-the-air-july-6-2011-matthew-algeo-rick-robinson-lisa-pulitzer-lauren-myracle-gene-chizik.html

Authors on the Air July 6, 2011: Matthew Algeo, Rick Robinson, Lisa Pulitzer, Lauren Myracle, Gene Chizik


 ::snipping2::

Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, authors of Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218) will appear on the Today show.


Thanks TM, I won't be able to see it but maybe they'll have a video up on their website.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

The Natalee's Freebirds - Intermediators

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  Since I got the go ahead from Tim (Trahan), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results",  or something to that effect.

jen3650 - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

The Aftermath - December 30, 2007 - ROV/Observation Dives

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 07, 2011, 04:07:29 PM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Jeanette/Van+vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden

Jeanette Van Vuurden
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Aruba Hospital & Health Care
Current
Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment
Connections
16 connections

Jeanette Van Vuurden's Experience

Master in Clinic Psychology
Goverment
Hospital & Health Care industry
Currently holds this position

Master in Clinic Psychology at Goverment Connections

I wonder what kind of school that is?


Kirmy, That was the first thing I noticed!  Any word in Aruba with Government included is BAD NEWS!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 07, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
Needing to step away from Caylee thread for awhile, decided to come back to my roots.  Since I haven't seen anything in the news lately about JVS, I assumed all was the same, him sitting and figuring his future (when he gets out) or (whatever other con he can accoplish, while waiting), I thought I'd check. 

Any new news lately from Peru, besides Aruba still sucks and has dead people all over?

TIA

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 07, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
Needing to step away from Caylee thread for awhile, decided to come back to my roots.  Since I haven't seen anything in the news lately about JVS, I assumed all was the same, him sitting and figuring his future (when he gets out) or (whatever other con he can accoplish, while waiting), I thought I'd check. 

Any new news lately from Peru, besides Aruba still sucks and has dead people all over?

TIA

 ::boxingjoran::

Hi Dihannah1,

Joran is trying to find an attorney to represent him.
Kalpoe brothers attorney's are still trying to sue Dr. Phil for their mental anguish they say Dr. Phil caused them cuz they
were merely unkowns.

I was wondering who are the Americans and Canadians relatives that Kalpoe stated were funding them with money.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 07, 2011, 10:18:54 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/33867-graduacion-di-studiantenan-di-colegio-epi-unidad-hospitalidad-a-turismo.html

Graduacion di studiantenan di Colegio EPI unidad Hospitalidad & Turismo      

Thursday, 07 July 2011 17:57
 
Dialuna 4 di Juli, den un Ballroom di Aruba Marriott Hotel completamente yen,  EPI Hospitalidad y Turismo a tene un cena pa celebra graduacion di un grupo di studiante cual a logra termina nan estudio cu exito. E anochi aki tabata tin graduacion di tres diferente programa cu ta wordo ofreci na e unidad di Hospitalidad y Turismo, cual nan ta, AP (Apprenticeship Program), IE (Immediate Employment) y por ultimo FS (Further Studies).
E apertura di e anochi aki tabata den man di docente meneer Randy Geerman cu tambe a fungi como maestro di ceremonia pa henter e anochi festivo. A continua cu señora Undina Harms, Directora General di Colegio EPI, cu a desea e studiantenan hopi exito den nan futuro carera. Otro orador importante tabata señor Jesus Cardoso, General Manager di Occidental Grand Aruba. E feliz graduadonan di e anochi aki ta lo siguiente;

Graduado di e programa di APPRENTICESHIP: Kock, Rigon R.

Graduadonan di ASSOCIATE OF APPLIED SCIENCE IN CULINARY ARTS:

Andrade de Barros de, Ma. Rosa,Angela Rosas, Rollyn R. Geerman, Christopher D. Leocadia, Xiorien Luydens, Jonaila I. Peña de Mujica, Ever A.

Graduadonan di ASSOCIATE OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT:

Akins, Kimberley K Baluarte Fernandez, Glen C.Becker, Manou Biezen v/d, Diangelis M.Biezen v/d, Nathania N.Boekel van, Amaryllis N.Bueno, Jackie Lou B.Castro, Naggenia G.Chow,Vivian De la Cruz, Juan Carlos Donata, Rhudrick F.Farro, Glendelain E.Fingal, Lucianne J.Fisher, Zoya K.Geerman, Jeshua A.Goeloe, Christen G.Halls, Michelle A.Hazel, Brittney E.Henry, Solange V.Hernandez, Raymrick M.Irausquin, Jennifer M.Jansen, Vanessa I.Kelly, Gilbert A.Leijenaar, Mandy M.Lopez, Joraine J. Magante, Hazel R. Matos Gonzalez, Genesis SPeterson, Evelyn D.Ras, Jennelyn M.Ras, Osmond  J. Scorzza Sanchez, Jose M.Simmons, Dieidra D.Sugrim, Rajkumar Tromp, Jean Carlos L.Tromp, Noemi G.Valbuena Camelo, Jessica A.Vieira, Francheska V.Yue, Yanrong Zedan Arambatzis, Freddy A.

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli07.epi.front.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 10:54:59 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/33867-graduacion-di-studiantenan-di-colegio-epi-unidad-hospitalidad-a-turismo.html

Graduacion di studiantenan di Colegio EPI unidad Hospitalidad & Turismo      

Thursday, 07 July 2011 17:57
 
Dialuna 4 di Juli, den un Ballroom di Aruba Marriott Hotel completamente yen,  EPI Hospitalidad y Turismo a tene un cena pa celebra graduacion di un grupo di studiante cual a logra termina nan estudio cu exito. E anochi aki tabata tin graduacion di tres diferente programa cu ta wordo ofreci na e unidad di Hospitalidad y Turismo, cual nan ta, AP (Apprenticeship Program), IE (Immediate Employment) y por ultimo FS (Further Studies).
E apertura di e anochi aki tabata den man di docente meneer Randy Geerman cu tambe a fungi como maestro di ceremonia pa henter e anochi festivo. A continua cu señora Undina Harms, Directora General di Colegio EPI, cu a desea e studiantenan hopi exito den nan futuro carera. Otro orador importante tabata señor Jesus Cardoso, General Manager di Occidental Grand Aruba. E feliz graduadonan di e anochi aki ta lo siguiente;

Graduado di e programa di APPRENTICESHIP: Kock, Rigon R.

Graduadonan di ASSOCIATE OF APPLIED SCIENCE IN CULINARY ARTS:

Andrade de Barros de, Ma. Rosa,Angela Rosas, Rollyn R. Geerman, Christopher D. Leocadia, Xiorien Luydens, Jonaila I. Peña de Mujica, Ever A.

Graduadonan di ASSOCIATE OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT:

Akins, Kimberley K Baluarte Fernandez, Glen C.Becker, Manou Biezen v/d, Diangelis M.Biezen v/d, Nathania N.Boekel van, Amaryllis N.Bueno, Jackie Lou B.Castro, Naggenia G.Chow,Vivian De la Cruz, Juan Carlos Donata, Rhudrick F.Farro, Glendelain E.Fingal, Lucianne J.Fisher, Zoya K.Geerman, Jeshua A.Goeloe, Christen G.Halls, Michelle A.Hazel, Brittney E.Henry, Solange V.Hernandez, Raymrick M.Irausquin, Jennifer M.Jansen, Vanessa I.Kelly, Gilbert A.Leijenaar, Mandy M.Lopez, Joraine J. Magante, Hazel R. Matos Gonzalez, Genesis SPeterson, Evelyn D.Ras, Jennelyn M.Ras, Osmond  J. Scorzza Sanchez, Jose M.Simmons, Dieidra D.Sugrim, Rajkumar Tromp, Jean Carlos L.Tromp, Noemi G.Valbuena Camelo, Jessica A.Vieira, Francheska V.Yue, Yanrong Zedan Arambatzis, Freddy A.

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli07.epi.front.jpg)

Looks like Jessica achieved "Academic Excellence"...but not Freddy!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli07.epi.front.jpg

(cropped and enlarged)

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http://www.facebook.com/Valbuena03

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 11:00:05 AM
www.facebook.com

H & T Day Out @ Vacation Park Hooiberg

June 2011

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2011, 12:42:29 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

March 20, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

jen3650 - Scared Monkeys


March 19, 2009

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December.

I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum.

Source: ldstlou - goldmonkey - 03/19/09


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 12:50:29 PM
Thanks to a friend for sending me this   ::MonkeyKiss::

...a couple of the Van der Sloot "tools" made some comments about the Casey Anthony trial result...

www.facebook.com

Melody Granadillo  Boycott Florida!! ...... No??
Tuesday at 1:44pm via Mobile Web

Daniela Romero Rivera huh?
Tuesday at 1:52pm

Julia Renfro Damn Dutch!
Tuesday at 1:53pm

Melody Granadillo E high profile case di Florida (Casey Anthony) a sali Not Guilty. That's the justice system for yah..
Tuesday at 1:55pm

Daniela Romero Rivera si net ma drenta den CNN pa wak what was up; read the whole thing... horibel!
Tuesday at 2:53pm

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At least the State of Florida never even suggested that little Caylee Marie Anthony ran away from home...or committed suicide.

Although the result of the trial was definitely an injustice...no one would have ever even been charged in Aruba! 

::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7924&offId=0&offDate=2011-7

Papiamentu translation:

14 hora happen | fecha: 07/07/2011 | horario: 23:45

pareha tourist ataca throw abao y atracadornan owing to ranca his bag core bay

diahuebs night late owing to enter informe of one caso of atraco near of river hotel, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu 2 person color dark uno rasta another cabei cortico all two cu curpa poca hancho owing to core push the lady tourist americano of enough edad y bente abao for so go cu his bag. in the bag the not was mucho cos but if his paspoort americano cu is the cos more important pe. the lady here is one tourist cu much trip is bisita we island y just the trip here ela trece person conocir of dje for conoce we island y now is achieve his self in the sitacion of the caso here. the 2 atracador they owing to follow core till near westin lever one car cual his number y model is conosi for polisnan besides police will bay look at at the hotelnan cu have camara for capta y achieve know that will is the malehornan here for so capturanan soon.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 02:47:11 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

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and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 02:55:54 PM
ATA representative offering a $500 reward for the return of passports stolen from tourists...interesting imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7925&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

3 hora happen | fecha: 08/07/2011 | horario: 11:10

is ask people of aruba for cu one aid much important for recobra 2 paspoort

recientemente sr. nestor espinoza y sra. danae marguerite paredes gil was at aruba of vacacion for come disfruta of we sweet island of aruba. alas y mala suerte they pertenencianan owing to wordo steal for antisocialnan. the pareja cu is of venezuela owing to jega aruba day 17 of june y owing to return of 19 of june, 2011. the ladronicia self did take lugar day 18 of june in area of the shopping mall just fast radisson hotel in area of hard rock cafe. the pareja here owing to entrega complaint at rechercher of cual caso is bao of investigacion. in the bag cu the antisocialnan here owing to bay cune, had several documento y two of the documento was they paspoort of cual is of sumo importancia ja cu for they renovanan is last 12 month y the pareha here have to trip for merca y without they paspoort they not can. for es motibo is ask encarecidamente cualkier person cu can know algo or can owing to encontra the bag or the two paspoortnan here for porfavor take contacto cu francis jacobs, trade relations liaison of aruba tourism authority more soon cu can is possible. have one recompensa of $500 for cada one of the paspoortnan here. adhunto have 3 potret, 1 of the bag cu owing to being hort y 2 of the paspoortnan. his informacion y ajudo is of sumo importancia, of antemano thanks a lot people of aruba.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 05:01:23 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1957:savaneta-zeerovers-na-savaneta-hamas-lo-ta-mescos-&catid=31:living&Itemid=43

savaneta -- zeerovers at savaneta never will is same!

wednesday, 15 september 2010 08:03

the bar rustico situa near of lama owing to wordo transforma in one restaurant modern hour cu the supervisornan of salamander holdings owing to arrive for one celebracion good mereci of they logronan considerabel.digna torres, rowena banal, julie partosemito y the recientemente promovi for gerente of resort retail nilo arcilla, owing to brinda at they same crecemento profesional during one supper casual of pisca delicioso fresco of lama combina perfectamente cu cocktailnan.e celebracion, according director gerente jodi tobman, owing to come because; one sample of aprecio for her work duro y dedicacion cu owing to wordo show for her supervisornan, y because; one form of gratitud for they tantisimo iniciativanan y they sosten administrativo y mental generoso y cariñoso of another because; also the tanto cortesianan cu they're extende at clientenan externo because; inner, enfrentando all reto cu great determinacion y one sense healthy of humour.

tambe present for her ocasion special apart from director gerente jodi tobman, his asistente, marlene nichols, gerente of throw carina molina, gerente of operacionnan soul tagorda y controlador financiero tony ponson.  salamander holdings his empleadonan all is of acuerdo cu the cuminda was fantastico, the ambiente superbo y the experiencia general, extremely amusing. they not can keep for go bek, they owing to tell! come across

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 05:12:45 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=1765

The Salamander Group Leadership Team is committed to Personal Growth

Posted by Aruba Daily on July 8th, 2011

Palm Beach – This past week, the Supervisors and Managers at the helm at the Salamander Group attended the Women in Leadership Conference organized by ATIA and Caribbean Mercantile Bank. Team members were invited by Managing Director Jodi Tobman to benefit from the learning opportunity and to connect with a great number of local female professionals.

Among those attending were Marlene Nichols and Jodi Tobman, Operations Manager Alma Tagorda, Supervisors Julie Partosemito, Digna Torres and Rowena Banal, and Team Leaders Stephanie Mundle, Gabriela Ribbink Gonzalez and Karin Kalter.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/attending-the-women-in-leadership-conference-salamander-group-leadership-team-is-committed-to-personal-growth/

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 08, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
THE PERSISTENCE FIND

Sleeping with the Enemy

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
   Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  Hhe was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing (although it got to the FBI two weeks after he said he sent it).

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember, working in Aruban waters you are subject to their invitation. We did not have any of our people in the water. It was our ROV though recording the ops. I didn't agree to how it was but didn't have an option, nor was it my decision to be made.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

Irresponsible Investigating

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.
 
<snipped>
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750
 
 
Additional Evidence for the Arubans to Destroy

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy.
 
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Independent from the Investigation

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains.

So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: sharon on July 08, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

It would be my dream come true for Arubans to boycott Florida.  ::MonkeyTongue:: What a loss of fine tourists that would be  ::MonkeyDance::  Could we start with the skank ho and her family?  Even though they're not really Arubans.

Marlene looks good since she lost that 250 lb wart.

 ::justice2NJ::  ::justice2NJ::



BOYCOTT ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 08:28:38 PM
::HelloKitty::

It would be my dream come true for Arubans to boycott Florida.  ::MonkeyTongue:: What a loss of fine tourists that would be  ::MonkeyDance::  Could we start with the skank ho and her family?  Even though they're not really Arubans.

Marlene looks good since she lost that 250 lb wart.

 ::justice2NJ::  ::justice2NJ::



BOYCOTT ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2011/164231.htm

Trafficking in Persons Report 2011

Country Narratives: Countries A Through F

OFFICE TO MONITOR AND COMBAT TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS
Trafficking in Persons Report 2011

 ::snipping2::

ARUBA (Tier 2)*

Aruba is primarily a destination for women and men subjected to sex trafficking and forced labor. Those at greatest risk of trafficking are foreign women in Aruba’s commercial sex trade and foreign men and women in the service and construction industries. Also at risk are Chinese men and women working in supermarkets as well as Indian men in the jewelry sector, and Caribbean and South American women in domestic service. There are indications of past instances of Aruban children under 18 in prostitution in Aruba.

The Government of Aruba does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts to do so. The government has not yet successfully prosecuted any trafficking offenders to date, though the Aruban anti-trafficking coordinator has demonstrated outstanding leadership in advancing the government’s response to human trafficking during her short time in office, and the government initiated several complex prosecutions during the reporting season. The government also showed improved efforts in the area of victim protection, primarily officials’ increased victim identification measures.

Recommendations for Aruba: Implement procedures to guide health officials charged with screening people in prostitution on the identification and referral of suspected victims of human trafficking to the anti-trafficking committee; formalize victim protection policies for adults and children that include provisions ensuring identified trafficking victims are not punished for crimes committed as a direct result of their human trafficking situation and ensuring safe and, to the extent possible, voluntary repatriation for foreign victims; consider providing the anti-trafficking committee with an independent budget as a means to ensure its effectiveness; include the child protection agency as part of the anti-trafficking committee and in training opportunities; empower the anti-trafficking committee to direct formal training opportunities toward committee-identified areas of high need; expand multi-lingual public outreach activities; and consider ways to educate clients of the sex trade about the causes and consequences of trafficking.

Prosecution

The Government of Aruba demonstrated strong law enforcement efforts during the reporting period. Aruba prohibits all forms of trafficking in persons through Articles 203a and 286a of its criminal code, which prescribes penalties ranging from four to 15 years’ imprisonment. These penalties are sufficiently stringent and are commensurate with those for other serious crimes, such as rape. In 2010, the government initiated seven trafficking investigations and arrested four people, including one police officer, in a case involving forced prostitution and forced labor. Authorities initiated prosecutions of three of the arrestees and a disciplinary process for the police officer. The prosecutions have involved many witnesses from multiple countries, and the government expected to bring the case to trial in late 2011. Two of the defendants remained in pre-trial detention. During the reporting period, the anti-trafficking coordinator took steps toward elevating the discourse on trafficking complicity in the region by speaking in public forums about her concerns regarding the linkage between official complicity and human trafficking in Aruba. The police established a team that specializes in human trafficking cases. The Royal Military Police and Dutch NGO Comensha have offered periodic training opportunities as has Aruba’s anti-trafficking coordinator.

Protection

The Government of Aruba demonstrated progress in its victim protection efforts during the reporting period. Largely due to the positive work of the anti-trafficking committee, the government identified up to 46 adult victims of human trafficking in 2010, a significant achievement, particularly when contrasted with the lack of any victims identified in 2009. The government did not provide routine, formal training in victim identification to law enforcement officers and officials charged with providing regular health checks on people in Aruba’s sex trade. The government implemented a victim referral mechanism; the government directed all reported trafficking cases to a small group from the anti-trafficking committee, which devised assistance plans tailored for each victim identified in coordination with the Bureau for Victim Assistance and other government agencies. The committee did not, however, have dedicated funds to provide specialized services for trafficking victims. In one situation, an NGO that reportedly did not receive government funding assisted the committee by sheltering a male victim. In another situation, the government employed a Kingdom of the Netherlands memorandum of understanding to obtain Kingdom funds for victims’ access to protective services. During the reporting period, the government issued a ministerial decree to ensure victims have access to legal aid. Aruba’s child protection agency would handle victim assistance for any cases of child trafficking, though the government did not identify any child trafficking victims during the reporting period.

The government encouraged trafficking victims to participate in investigations and prosecutions of trafficking offenders and did not punish identified victims for unlawful acts committed as a direct result of being trafficked. According to Aruban officials, the government offered identified trafficking victims relief from immediate deportation. The government worked with IOM on the safe repatriation of several foreign victims.

Prevention

The government made some efforts to raise awareness of human trafficking during the reporting period. In a positive step, Aruba’s justice minister spoke out in January 2011 against human trafficking and, in conjunction, raised awareness about Aruba’s crime victim hotline, which has been staffed by operators trained to identify and refer trafficking victims. The government sustained the functions of an anti-trafficking committee started in 2007. The committee achieved tangible results, for example the rescue of victims, and has been developing a large-scale public awareness campaign, but its operations depended on the personal commitment of the anti-trafficking coordinator and participants as the committee has no funding attached to its operations or projects. Aruba does not have a trafficking rapporteur to monitor and evaluate its anti-trafficking efforts, but Aruba’s anti-trafficking coordinator and director of public prosecutions were required to provide written reports on anti-trafficking results every three months to Aruba’s Justice Minister in preparation for Kingdom justice meetings. The government has formally presented and shared its best practices on regional cooperation, victim identification, and investigation of trafficking cases in several international forums. There were no awareness campaigns specifically targeting potential clients of the sex trade in Aruba in an effort reduce demand for commercial sex acts. There were no known reports of child sex tourism occurring in Aruba or of Arubans participating in international sex tourism, though the government has expressed willingness for training in this area.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 10:21:33 PM
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2011/164231.htm

Trafficking in Persons Report 2011

Country Narratives: Countries A Through F

OFFICE TO MONITOR AND COMBAT TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS
Trafficking in Persons Report 2011

 ::snipping2::

CURACAO (Tier 2 Watch List)*

Curacao is a source, transit, and destination area for women, children, and men who are subjected to sex trafficking and forced labor. There are indications that child prostitution may be a problem in Curacao and that some of the hundreds of migrant women in Curacao’s regulated and illegal prostitution are victims of forced prostitution. Local authorities believe that migrant workers have also been subjected to forced domestic service and forced labor in construction, landscaping, and shops. Some migrants in restaurants and local businesses may be vulnerable to debt bondage. Foreign trafficking victims originate in Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Asia.

The Government of Curacao does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts to do so. Despite these efforts, the government has not shown evidence of increasing efforts over the previous year; therefore Curacao is placed on Tier 2 Watch List. Curacaoan authorities identified at least four potential victims of forced labor during the year. This accomplishment, however, was overshadowed by the lack of progress in enacting comprehensive legislation – which remained stalled in parliament – that would prohibit all forms of human trafficking and weak victim protections, as well as the lack of identification of victims of forced or child prostitution, despite a large population of people that are vulnerable to sex trafficking.

Recommendations for Curacao: Enact legislation prohibiting all forms of human trafficking and prescribing punishments commensurate with other serious crimes such as rape; implement formal victim protection measures to guide officials, including health workers, on how to identify victims and how to assist victims of both forced labor and sex trafficking; make a robust and transparent effort to identify and assist potential victims of sex trafficking and forced labor in Curacao.

Prosecution

The government of Curacao demonstrated minimal efforts in the prosecution of trafficking offenders. Curacao’s laws do not appear to cover all forms of human trafficking and prescribed penalties under Curacao’s trafficking-related laws do not appear to be commensurate with those penalties prescribed under separate laws for other serious crimes, such as rape. For another year, comprehensive legislation prohibiting all forms of trafficking remained pending; this greatly hindered officials’ efforts to combat sex trafficking and forced labor in Curacao. The government reported at least two investigations of alleged trafficking offenses, but no prosecutions or convictions of sex or labor trafficking offenders. The government did not fund any anti-trafficking training for government officials during the reporting period, but a government official reportedly distributed a trafficking awareness handbook to law enforcement officials and public prosecutors.

Protection

The government’s victim protection measures were weak. The lack of identification of sex trafficking victims in Curacao, despite the very large vulnerable population of foreign women and girls in prostitution in Curacao’s sex trade, highlights the ineffectiveness of the government’s victim identification measures. In a positive development, law enforcement proactively identified at least four potential victims of forced labor during the reporting period, but it did not identify any victims of sex trafficking. The government reported its use of a formal mechanism to refer identified victims to available services. The government operated multi-purpose shelter facilities and provided health care for victims of trafficking during the reporting period. The identified victims in Curacao declined assistance; however, the government reportedly provided quality assistance to several sex trafficking victims identified in Aruba under the partnership forged through the Kingdom of the Netherlands’ anti-trafficking memorandum of understanding. The government reported encouraging trafficking victims to participate in investigations and prosecutions of trafficking offenders, though no victims chose to participate in prosecutions during the reporting period. The government did not grant temporary or longer-term residency status to any foreign victims of trafficking during the year. The government did not have a policy to protect identified victims from being punished for crimes committed as a direct result of being trafficked.

Prevention

The government did not implement any campaigns to raise public awareness about forced labor and forced prostitution, or aimed at reducing the demand for commercial sex acts. The government did not employ a formal mechanism to monitor its anti-trafficking efforts. The Curacaoan government maintained a multidisciplinary trafficking in persons working group. The government has not identified a child sex tourism problem involving Curacao.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 10:25:41 PM
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2011/164228.htm

Tier Placements

OFFICE TO MONITOR AND COMBAT TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS
Trafficking in Persons Report 2011
[Introductory Material also available in Chinese | French | Russian | Spanish | Arabic | Persian]

TIER 1
Countries whose governments fully comply with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act’s (TVPA) minimum standards.

TIER 2
Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the TVPA’s minimum standards, but are making significant efforts to bring themselves into compliance with those standards.

TIER 2 WATCH LIST
Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the TVPA’s minimum standards, but are making significant efforts to bring themselves into compliance with those standards AND:

a) The absolute number of victims of severe forms of trafficking is very significant or is significantly increasing;
b) There is a failure to provide evidence of increasing efforts to combat severe forms of trafficking in persons from the previous year; or
c) The determination that a country is making significant efforts to bring itself into compliance with minimum standards was based on commitments by the country to take additional future steps over the 
next year.

TIER 3
Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the minimum standards and are not making significant efforts to do so.

 ::snipping2::

Note:  Chart with Countries and their tier placement follows...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 10:27:06 PM
Venezuela, 18 miles away from Aruba is listed at Tier 3.

Edit to add link MB http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/164458.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 08, 2011, 10:33:55 PM
Venezuela, 18 miles away from Aruba is listed at Tier 3.

Sorry, forgot the link! 

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/164458.pdf

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/164458.pdf

VENEZUELA (Tier 3)

 ::snipping2::
Some Venezuelan women are transported
from coastal areas by small boats to Caribbean islands,
particularly Aruba, Curacao and Trinidad & Tobago,
where they are subjected to forced prostitution. Organized
crime is widely believed to be involved in sex trafficking
in Venezuela
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 01:34:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2011, 07:08:53 AM
Good morning!!
A bit of amusement while I drink my coffee
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 10:20:16 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Holloway-van-der-Sloot-film-trailer-released/Sf_tClPopU6sfa6qVmdXVw.cspx

Holloway/van der Sloot film trailer released
         
Print Story Published: 6:11 am Share Updated: 6:38 am

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Dutch film maker Paul Ruven has released a trailer for his film Me and Mr. Jones on Natalee Island. The film will be released to theaters in October.

The "Natalee Island" portion of the title is new and would appear to be a further attempt to capitalize on the Holloway/van der Sloot case by leaving little doubt what the film is about.  Ruven's website for the movie also has the subtitle "What happened with Natalee".  Of course that's a question her family and the world has been asking for more than six years.

Ruven says his film is about an undercover journalist who breaks into Joran Van der Sloot's home on Aruba to force a breakthrough in the Natalee Holloway case.  But it's difficult to imagine how the movie could be any more complicated than the real life scenario.

Natalee Holloway disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.  She was last seen leaving an Oranjestad bar with van der Sloot and two of his friends, the Kalpoe brothers.

Van der Sloot was questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never charged in Natalee's disappearance.  He remains the prime suspect in the case.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 10:30:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu089C8WkDg

Me and Mr Jones on Natalee-island trailer

Talentunitedfilm

http://www.youtube.com/v/cu089C8WkDg?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 12:27:18 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7941&offId=0&offDate=2011-7

Papiamentu translation:

10 hora happen | fecha: 09/07/2011 | horario: 01:27

more tourist victima of atraco, near of westin atracadornan owing to throw the lady tourist abao y owing to bay cu his bag come across

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 09, 2011, 01:40:13 PM
THE PERSISTENT FIND

Heading Away Fast

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


NATALEE HOLLOWAYS UNCLE

Surely I Am Wrong

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435

S.T.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: sylvia on July 09, 2011, 02:04:16 PM
I just walked in on the end of an interview with Cole Thompson, author of "Portrait of a Monster", on Fox News around 1:50 EDT.  The only thing I heard was that after Joran beat Stephany up, she was in bad shape but alive for a while; he took a shower and then he murdered her.  It is so hard to grasp the cruelty.  

Sorry I missed it but hopefully it will come on again.

Edit-fix typo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: sylvia on July 09, 2011, 02:20:33 PM
Sorry, I misspelled Stephany. Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 09, 2011, 02:23:46 PM
I just walked in on the end of an interview with Cole Thompson, author of "Portrait of a Monster", on Fox News around 1:50 EDT.  The only thing I heard was that after Joran beat Stephany up, she was in bad shape but alive for a while; he took a shower and then he murdered her.  It is so hard to grasp the cruelty.  

Sorry I missed it but hopefully it will come on again.
Fixed typo MB

Thanks sylvia

It will be three week until our local "Chapters" have this book in stock.  My American DIL will be crossing the line to visit her parents this afternoon.  She promised to check out a couple of bookstores in the Bellingham area.  If she is successfuly in getting a copy ... I predict that she will begin reading prior to returning this evening so ... it may be a few days I have this book in my possession.

Janet

+++++  

Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
by Lisa Pulitzer, Cole Thompson


Hardcover, 272 pages
Published July 5th 2011 by St. Martin's Press


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11130540-portrait-of-a-monster



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Anna on July 09, 2011, 02:26:25 PM
I just walked in on the end of an interview with Cole Thompson, author of "Portrait of a Monster", on Fox News around 1:50 EDT.  The only thing I heard was that after Joran beat Stephany up, she was in bad shape but alive for a while; he took a shower and then he murdered her.  It is so hard to grasp the cruelty.  

Sorry I missed it but hopefully it will come on again.
Edit fix typo MB


 ::MonkeyMad::

The more we learn, the worse it gets.  So there was a shower in between the beating and putting the shirt over her face.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on July 09, 2011, 04:07:18 PM
I just walked in on the end of an interview with Cole Thompson, author of "Portrait of a Monster", on Fox News around 1:50 EDT.  The only thing I heard was that after Joran beat Stephany up, she was in bad shape but alive for a while; he took a shower and then he murdered her.  It is so hard to grasp the cruelty.  

Sorry I missed it but hopefully it will come on again.
Edit fix typo MB


 ::MonkeyMad::

The more we learn, the worse it gets.  So there was a shower in between the beating and putting the shirt over her face.  

Premeditated.  He had time to think about whether he wanted to kill her or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

Aruba hosts 21st INTERPOL Americas Regional Conference

Thursday, July 7, 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07072011_TheMorningNews1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on July 09, 2011, 10:48:57 PM
Thanks to a friend for sending me this   ::MonkeyKiss::

...a couple of the Van der Sloot "tools" made some comments about the Casey Anthony trial result...

www.facebook.com

Melody Granadillo  Boycott Florida!! ...... No??
Tuesday at 1:44pm via Mobile Web

Daniela Romero Rivera huh?
Tuesday at 1:52pm

Julia Renfro Damn Dutch!
Tuesday at 1:53pm

Melody Granadillo E high profile case di Florida (Casey Anthony) a sali Not Guilty. That's the justice system for yah..
Tuesday at 1:55pm

Daniela Romero Rivera si net ma drenta den CNN pa wak what was up; read the whole thing... horibel!
Tuesday at 2:53pm

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At least the State of Florida never even suggested that little Caylee Marie Anthony ran away from home...or committed suicide.

Although the result of the trial was definitely an injustice...no one would have ever even been charged in Aruba! 

::MonkeyBike::

I hate them all (Aruba and Anthony's and Bozo and Joran)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 11:05:44 PM
Me too BlueMoon!   ::boxingjoran::

I just noticed this, made my day!   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::geraldodance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 09, 2011, 11:13:03 PM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

Aruba hosts 21st INTERPOL Americas Regional Conference

Thursday, July 7, 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07072011_TheMorningNews1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07072011_TheMorningNews2.jpg)

same people keep coming up over and over



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 09, 2011, 11:16:50 PM
http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-6-juli/226398647393122

New Selection Amigoe, July 6 edition
by Amigoe Aruba on Wednesday, July 6, 2011 at 12:25 pm

 ::snipping2::

OM confirms wheelchair use Alex Mathew
Alex Mathew, who are still on remand pending on the merits of the Foxy Lady case, makes use of a wheelchair because of back problems. This confirms Ann Angela, spokesman for the Public Prosecutor (OM) against this newspaper.

 ::snipping2::

Shop Owner hit by airgun
The owner of a supermarket Cen Food Mart in Seroe Pita's last night with an air rifle shot in the head during a robbery at his business. He was with injuries in the Horacio Oduber Hospital facing charged. The two suspects are still on the run. She reportedly went to about 2000 florins off.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2011, 12:08:28 AM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/78814-alex-mathew-weer-voor-rechter

Google translation:

Alex Mathew back to court         

FRIDAY, JULY 1, 2011 5:41 P.M.

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/01-07-2011/707212.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - The pre-trial review by Alex Mathew Foxy Lady in the case continued this morning. Unlike last time on April 1, this time the suspect was not assisted by the famous Dutch criminal lawyer Bram Moszkowicz. During today's session would look at the progress of the case and if possible agreements on the treatment. At the time of printing of this newspaper there was no longer known.

Moszkowicz had during the previous pre-trial on April 1 asked to be released on health, alleged abuse and the investigation of the other detainees in the case. In any case one of them was a policeman at night bijkluste guardian of Foxy Lady strip club. The judge then pointed down the request for release. According to the OM were directed at the first meeting also agreed on the hearing of witnesses. Mathew Foxy Lady in the case of suspected include participation in a criminal organization, trafficking, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft. The Coordination of Human Trafficking in the Netherlands National Police Agency reported from Ukraine would have been about poor working conditions for strippers in Foxy Lady. They would be forced into involuntary sex and posing for pornographic material, their freedom would be deprived of their passports were confiscated. Mathew 's since early August last year in prison KIA. He denies the charges. The period has been its strong he was involved in a lawsuit against the government about the living conditions in prison, which also led to a brief uprising in the KIA by Justice to be beaten down. Since his arrest, he changed lawyers. After Edwin Duijn Field, he is represented by John Zara and the Dutch criminal lawyer Moszkowicz.   

Timeline cause Foxy Lady

August 5, 2010 - Mathew and two other suspects are arrested after raid strip club Foxy Lady

August 6, 2010 - Justice flies Mathew to cell in Bonaire Reason: once abused him the Aruban prison warden and for his connections within the prison and police.

August 12, 2010 - Superintendent Dolfi Richardson announced a committee to have created, which will investigate exactly how it is with other jobs of police officers in their spare time.

13 August 2010 - Mathew returned to Aruba after earlier stepped his lawyer to court to get him back. He also complains of the two Ukrainian women for committing false declaration.

August 16, 2010 - Mathew through his lawyer publicly accused him of it justice "at all costs" to want to prosecute. The Public Prosecutor (OM) in all keys denies the charges

Aug. 30, 2010 - In a new letter to the media denies Mathew   trafficking and wonders why he is tackled and not other bareigenaren in San Nicolas. He says his staff better had the 'animeermeisjes' in the other bars.

December 2010 - A group of detainees, including Mathew spans a lawsuit against the government because of poor living conditions in prison KIA.

December 17, 2010 - First ( pro-forma) hearing case against Mathew .

February 20, 2011 - Prison Uprising KIA in protest against the decision of the Court to the verdict of the court in favor of the prisoners had to delete.

February 24, 2011 - Mathew writes a letter Committee on behalf of prisoners at KIA to the European Committee CPT. Here he accuses police and guards of its four members of the KIA prison uprising have seriously abused.

April 1, 2011 - Second pro forma session. Lawyer demands release of Abraham Moszkowicz his client Mathew . The request is rejected by the court due to risk of collusion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2011, 12:25:50 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/78926--foxy-lady-zaak-vervolgt-in-oktober

Google translation:

Foxy Lady case continues in October         

TUESDAY, JULY 5, 2011 5:51 P.M.

ORANGE CITY - The merits of lawsuit against Alex Mathew, his wife Liliana and Michael Levenstone because Foxy Lady strip club trafficking is scheduled for October 28. Instead of each individual, so far as they did all three in the same case to court. This was decided last Friday during the pre-trial.

Mathew and Levenstone were not present during the pre-trial. "Both of them did not feel well," said their lawyer, John Zara. Their Dutch lawyer Bram Moszkowicz was not present.

Moszkowicz had during the pre-trial in April asked for two new witnesses to the hearing list to add. The judge did agree to that request Friday. Zara: "These are people who come to the Public Ministry had sent a fax containing the message that there would be human beings." Who are these witnesses, the lawyer can not confirm, but the fact is that even in earlier press statement had indicated that the message received from the Dutch National Police Agency. Coordination would direct its trafficking from Ukraine reports on trafficking in Aruba have heard. Also, the judge accepted the request by Zara for a large number of new witnesses. "Twelve of them live on Aruba and forth about a dozen trips abroad, "said the lawyer.

On Oct. 25, all witnesses were heard, followed three days later, the matter content is treated. That date is not met or the investigation of the OM is not off, then on October 28 another pre-trial held. Zara was delighted with the decision of the court - which incidentally no further explanation was given - to the three defendants in a case. "That makes the whole less complex."

The lawyer was Friday with Liliana Mathew in the pre-trial. The prosecution charged the same places her as her husband, she is not just stuck in jail. "That's because her detention in November, was suspended in connection with the illness of her mother." Initially, the mother from the United States to Aruba to come by Mathew to be provided, but the woman is too ill to be proved. Mathew's passport was revoked in connection with the case, so they in turn could not travel. Later they still subject to conditions by the prosecution.

Both Alex Mathew and Michael Levenstone sit still remains stuck in KIA. Both suffer from health problems according to Zara. Mathew must use a wheelchair, said Mathew. "This is the case since March 28 he was abused as a result of the prison revolt," said Zara least his counsel. "He can run, but not for long. My client had before he was imprisoned, had problems with his back. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2011, 02:58:45 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/OceanKyle (http://twitter.com/#!/OceanKyle)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/07092011_KyleKingman_Twitter.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORD.LINK
 ::snipping2::
NORD.LINK is a proposed subsea HVDC power cable between Norway and Germany. The feasibility study was completed at the end of 2008. If constructed, the capacity of NORD.LINK is expected to be 1,400 MW.[1][2] It is estimated to cost €1.4 billion.[3] The interconnector is planned installed between a new substation at Ertsmyra in Norway to Diele or Brunsbüttel substation in Germany.[4] The new connection can be operational by 2017–2018.[5]
The Norwegian transmission system operator Statnett SF owns the project, whilst, the feasibility study was carried out together with the German transmission system operator Transpower Stromübertragungs (former E.ON Netz). A cable between Norway and Germany is listed in the EU's new priorities for 2020 and beyond.[1]
 ::snipping2::

http://www.statnett.no/en/Projects/NORDLINK1/

(http://www.statnett.no/Pictures/Prosjektbilder/NORD.LINK/NORD.LINK%20oppdatert%20480X300_72%20dpi.jpg)
 ::snipping2::
NORD.LINK
Statnett is planning a subsea cable to Germany to provide a closer link between the Nordic and German electricity markets. The NORD.LINK project will connect Norway and Germany and as such make wind power available to Norwegian consumers and bring hydropower to German end-users.
 ::snipping2::

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http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/215422/2011/WEEKLY_News_021211.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
February 12, 2011

Dutch Caribbean - Venezuela-Aruba-Curacao Gas Pipeline on Agenda

Aruba PM Mike Eman reportedly asked Curacao PM Schotte to put the Venezuela-Aruba-Curacao gas pipeline project on the agenda for PM Schotte’s planned (though as yet unscheduled) meeting with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Last year, the countries expressed support for continued cooperation between Venezuela's state oil company PDVSA and the refineries in Aruba and Curacao. It is widely expected that Schotte will visit Venezuela later this month for a meeting with President Chavez. (Various media)
 ::snipping2::

Curacao\Aruba – Banking on a Venezuelan Gas Pipeline is an Illusion

Spanish conglomerate Repsol S.A. announced that the Perla 1X well off the Venezuela coast was the fifth largest hydrocarbon discovery in 2009. Now this may sound like quite a bit, but Venezuelan production has been declining to the point that the country has started to import natural gas.
Petroleos de Venezuela (PdVSA) officials said in 2006, that between 2007 and 2015, the distribution of gas through pipelines would reach 3.2 million families in 23 states and the Venezuelan District Capital. Late last year, Venezuelan state-owned oil company PdVSA announced a reboot of the gasification plan. In 2011, not even 1% of the targeted households are connected to the gas pipeline system.
Venezuela still has a large potential for producing natural gas and, from time to time, has talked of developing LNG facilities to export some of this. It is admirable that Curacao and Aruba are looking into alternative energy resources, but counting on the Venezuelan gas pipeline plans is an illusion, an undisclosed Antillaans Dagblad source said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2011, 03:54:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2011, 01:41:44 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/04/beatrixstraat-a-wordo-cera-pa-e-celebracion-grandi-pa-padu-lampe/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/042010_Diario04282010_PaduLampe90thBirthday.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

beatrixstraat owing to wordo close for her celebracion big for padu lampe

publication: wednesday, 28 april 2010.

categoria: style y eventos

oranjestad (aan):— one night inolvidable had monday night at home of sr. juan chabaya lampe, mihor conoci because; “padu” in his caya relaciona his 90 year. various miembronan of parliament y ministernan was present, also governor y his madam y for of corsow owing to come norman moron y rudy plaate. various artist owing to give one beautiful presentacion among another de trupialen, tino ruiz, sr. john booi y hubert booi, trio los arubeños, jonathan vieira, jossy brokke y sra. gracelle croes owing to declama one poem. daily paper is send pabien for padu y cu god dune much salud for her can accomplish more year of life.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/042010_Diario04282010_GovRefunjol_padu31-199x300.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/042010_Diario04282010_MikeEman_padu111-300x200.jpg)

www.facebook.com

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2011, 02:54:53 PM
I just walked in on the end of an interview with Cole Thompson, author of "Portrait of a Monster", on Fox News around 1:50 EDT.  The only thing I heard was that after Joran beat Stephany up, she was in bad shape but alive for a while; he took a shower and then he murdered her.  It is so hard to grasp the cruelty.  

Sorry I missed it but hopefully it will come on again.
Edit fix typo MB


 ::MonkeyMad::

The more we learn, the worse it gets.  So there was a shower in between the beating and putting the shirt over her face.  

OMG! That's horrible! Talk about cold, calculating evil..........
I hate to think of it, but like most of you, I feel like we discovered exactly how Natalee died through Stephany, and it makes me shutter.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 10, 2011, 03:54:59 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/natalee-holloway-film-trailer-released

Natalee Holloway film trailer released

Published on 10 July 2011 - 2:35pm

The trailer has been released for Dutch director Paul Ruven’s film about the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005.

Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot (23) is still suspected of involvement in the disappearance. He is in prison in Peru facing charges of killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Lima last year.
 ::snipping2::

Message when I clicked on the youtube video in the article...

Quote
This video is no longer available because the uploader has closed their YouTube account.
Sorry about that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2011, 08:18:25 PM
TM - now that's funny  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2011, 01:18:17 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/33995-stranpolitie-y-recherche-di-noord-a-soluciona-dos-atraco-den-48-ora-di-tempo.html

Papiamentu translation:

stranpolitie y recherche of north owing to soluciona two atraco in 48 hour of time

sunday, 10 july 2011 21:07

the atraconan cometi contra the turistanan is practicamente soluciona. but the damage haci at we turism is big! turistanan owing to tell cu never more they will come aruba, for motibo of owing to become victima of one atraco brutal. the first atraco on the pareha tourist was near of river hotel. owing to push or agredi the turistanan of edad brutalmente y steal they pertenencianan. because; cu not owing to grab they at once, the sospechosonan owing to opta for comete one another atraco y the trip here on another pareha tourist of edad high biniendo aruba for 10 year consecutivo. is much dolor hour hear turistanan cu ciegamente is believe in seguridad of we island is expresa cu never more they're come aruba. the autornan of the atraconan here is some young naci at aruba but child of family dominicano y curasoleño, majority live at san nicolas. seems cu one of they surname t. of san nicolas very time have view on dje. at more of one ocasion recherche of san nicolas was atendiendo cu the are here but for one or another motibo ministerio publico not owing to achieve necesario for bay over at detencion. cu the accion relampago here awo people at least have the sentimiento cu police is labora, while people can try sosega!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2011, 02:54:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: sandy leiva on July 11, 2011, 04:25:22 PM
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-with-peruvian-prosecutors-dpgonc-20110615-fc_13689422 (http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-agrees-to-cooperate-with-peruvian-prosecutors-dpgonc-20110615-fc_13689422)

Van der Sloot Agrees to Cooperate with Peruvian Prosecutors

Updated: Wednesday, 15 Jun 2011, 7:25 AM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 15 Jun 2011, 7:25 AM CDT

(NewsCore) -  Joran van der Sloot, previously linked to the disappearance of US teen Natalee Holloway, has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in Peru over the murder of a local woman, raising hopes of a quicker conclusion to the case. Formal charges could be filed against the Dutchman as soon as Wednesday.

The 23 year old appeared in court in Lima on Tuesday charged with robbing and killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room in May 2010. He addressed the court in Spanish, according to a report in El Comercio.

Edwar Alvarez, a lawyer for the Flores family, told the newspaper that her father Ricardo Flores identified one of his daughter's wallets, found in van der Sloot's possession after he fled to neighboring Chile following her death. The grieving father was described as being calmer than he was last week -- when he first came face to face with the Dutchman in court -- but he choked up as he spoke to reporters outside.

"I have to consult my wife, but I'm 95 percent sure that [wallet] belonged to Stephany," he said.

Alvarez said the Flores family is seeking a sentence of life imprisonment for the Dutchman, considering this would be a "just penalty" for the crimes of robbery and murder. Van der Sloot's former lawyer, who quit unexpectedly earlier this month, had suggested a manslaughter plea with a reduced sentence of three to five years, arguing his client acted in "a fit of rage."
 ::snipping2::

              I always said he spoke and understands spanish -dont forget Paulous has a brother and family in spain they often visited and he loved the spanish soccer team and went to many of the tournaments there. He spoke spanish very well.  Crazy mo-fo- no crazy like a fox........sl


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 11, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
Yep, Sandy.  ITA   ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 11, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I read about this arrest and saw the girl, never would have thought she was just 12 years old.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34008-mucha-muhe-di-12-ana-cu-ta-chick-di-toko-tabata-bende-droga-na-su-scol.html

Papiamentu translation:

child muhe of 12 year cu is chick of toko was sell drugs at his scol

sunday, 10 july 2011 23:30

"pakico you is bay cu his car? i is his chick y my self was sell drugs pe at scol", so the child muhe of barely 12 year of edad owing to bark stop pafo of the cas at rooiweg where police owing to as one razzia. owing to base of his same declaracion, police owing to bay over at detene at once pendiente more investigacion in the caso here. the asunto here awo is percura for one buelta new in the investigacion cu will can hinca the sospechoso toko maduro in more problem of locual the is inside end. because separa of is acusa of bendemento illegal of drugs, awo is acus'e of have one relacion amoroso cu one child muhe of barely 12 year of edad. the victimanan was netamente studiantenan of scol. is sospecha cu at least one of the scolnan cu was employ for sell drugs cu studiantenan was colegio hilario angela. for of good fountain is wordo menciona cu the child muhe here of 12 year is chick also of toko maduro of 40 year. in all the caso have three detencion. hour cu the team of police owing to rondona the cas in rooiweg at san nicolas, at dado instant the young female of inicialnan m.l. of 12 year also owing to arrive at the cas. past owing to cuminsa bark because autoridad owing to detene his guy toko. at scol had informacionnan clave cu the child muhe was trece drugs scol for sell. also was have pruebanan sufficient of hendenan cu was cumpra drugs. in oranan of marduga self owing to grab two cumprado cu also owing to cumpra drugs near of huliba bar. the area abroad of huliba bar is the luga of throw publico in day y night. after of owing to grab the cumpradonan, owing to coy two another bendedo also eyfor. here is deal of jeremy dirks y ricky roja. owing to achieve the bendedonan cu enough sakito of cocaina for throw in they power. the dosnan here is close y will stay close also can will soon. same is the caso of javier "toko" maduro, that is esun cu was encarga cu the cumpramento of cosnan steal or cambiamento for drugs. two car owing to stay confisca. the drugs achieve on toko maduro is some but the firmanan y kehonan on paper is sufficient for her stay encarcela. owing to achieve enough coin in his power. is deal here of one sospechoso cu not have work, then is cuestiona con the live. thing is more of lamenta is the form cu the child muhe of 12 year is cry for toko maduro as is end of world owing to arrive hour cu autoridad owing to detene. for of esunnan live in the area can owing to compronde cu is several car is arrive for cumpra drugs at the cas in rooiweg. entrenan autonan d- wagen indicando cu here is deal of empleadonan publico. hobennan of colegio aruban y several another scol in san nicolas is loyal clientenan of toko maduro. have some week end cu the investigacion was andando by of police for finalmente can owing to succeed detene the famous bendedonan. now owing to break the den of throw of drugs at huliba bar. the child muhe of 12 year owing to wordo let in freedom y in the caso here one guia profesional is much necesario pe. have suspicion strong cu the child muhe encuestion is arrive scol cu drugs causando damage at children inocente.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli10.2detenido.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2011, 01:12:57 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/01/peru.murder.case.memorial/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_1.jpg)

I bought the book this past weekend and started reading late yesterday afternoon.  The following is a little peek into Stephany's life when she was young...I kept thinking about it today and wanted to share it with everyone.

http://www.amazon.com/Portrait-Monster-Natalee-Holloway-Mystery/dp/0312359217

Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery [Hardcover]
Lisa Pulitzer (Author), Cole Thompson (Author)

Page 7

 ::snipping2::

Ricardo had always been a little overprotective of Stephany.  The father of five children, he only had one daughter, his baby girl.  As Stephany was growing up, he was rarely seen without his little nenita in tow.

When Stephany was two years old, the family owned a circus.  It was a good, old-fashioned tent circus, complete with trapeze acts and a menagerie of exotic animals.  Stephany loved to be around the elephants, bears, and tigers.  Because her mother, Mariaelena, was the manager, she was able to spend her days hanging out with the carnival workers who shared their strange and curious world with the tiny brown-eyed brunette.  The performers loved Stephany and saw her as a kindred spirit.  Like them, she was a bit mischievous and utterly fearless.

One day, Ricardo received a call from his wife asking him to head over to the main tent.  When he arrived, there was a rehearsal in progress.  He nearly passed out when he saw his two-year-old dressed in a frilly, pink tutu seated atop an elephant making its way into the arena.  It was an unforgettable moment.  Ricardo felt pride tinged with horror as he admired his tiny daughter's courage.  She was all smiles balanced atop the giant pachyderm.  It turned out she'd been practicing for weeks without his knowledge under the direction of the circus's veteran animal trainer.  And his wife was a co-conspirator.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2011, 01:59:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2011, 02:37:47 AM
Leave it to Aruba to even make an Interpol Conference appear very unprofessional.

JMO   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/aruba-hosts-interpol-americas-conference/

Aruba Hosts INTERPOL Americas Conference

General News     July 11th, 2011
No comments (RSS 2.0)

Senior police chiefs attending INTERPOL’s 21st Americas Conference enjoyed three days of meetings at the Westin Aruba Resort, laced with social functions flavored by genuine island hospitality. The conference welcome cocktail party unfolded at Divi Village on the tropical pool deck and was catered the popular Seabreeze restaurant. The party was co-hosted by the Aruba Tourism Authority and by the Ministry of Justice.

Aruba Tourism Authority CEO Ronella Tjin Asjoe-Croes welcomed all delegates to Aruba, inviting them to also enjoy a bit of a vacation while on the island on business and networking opportunities. Aruba’s Minister of Justice and Education Arthur Dowers who also attended the party and served as one of the key note speakers during the conference, mingled with the top policing officials. More than 70 senior law enforcement officials from 32 countries and three international organizations attended. Delegates were also welcomed by the local Commissioner of Police Adolfo Richardson.

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07112011_Interpol_Aruba5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07112011_Interpol_Aruba4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07112011_Interpol_Aruba1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07112011_Interpol_Aruba2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2011, 11:04:10 AM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway - May, 2010


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 12, 2011, 03:23:32 PM
With film trailer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/me-mr-jones-natalee-holloway_n_895554.html#s307311&title=Joran_van_der

'Me & Mr. Jones': Natalee Holloway Film Trailer Released (WATCH)
First Posted: 7/12/11 12:03 PM ET Updated: 7/12/11 12:03 PM ET

Producers of the film, "Me & Mr. Jones" have released a sneak-peek trailer in anticipation of the movie's upcoming release.

The film tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist, played by actor Robert de Hoog, who visits Aruba five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. While in Aruba, de Hoog and an undercover reporter, played by Hanna Verboom, break into Joran van der Sloot's house and make a "shocking discovery," according to a description of the movie on Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven's website.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2011, 07:04:42 PM
With film trailer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/me-mr-jones-natalee-holloway_n_895554.html#s307311&title=Joran_van_der

'Me & Mr. Jones': Natalee Holloway Film Trailer Released (WATCH)
First Posted: 7/12/11 12:03 PM ET Updated: 7/12/11 12:03 PM ET

Producers of the film, "Me & Mr. Jones" have released a sneak-peek trailer in anticipation of the movie's upcoming release.

The film tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist, played by actor Robert de Hoog, who visits Aruba five years after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. While in Aruba, de Hoog and an undercover reporter, played by Hanna Verboom, break into Joran van der Sloot's house and make a "shocking discovery," according to a description of the movie on Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven's website.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks grace.

When I consider the backers of this film ... I can only assume that the theme is pro-Aruba ... pro-Joran ... pro-Anita ... anti Natalee and ... anti Beth.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2011, 08:22:18 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2011/PR058.asp

(http://www.interpol.int/Public/Region/Americas/conference/arc21/Gallery/_HRN3584-sgW600.jpg)

Countries in the Americas region are valuable allies and produce concrete results on the ground, Secretary General Ronald K. Noble told delegates.

(http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2011/images/PR058_3529w600.jpg)

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/speeches/2011/21stAmericasRC_Noble.pdf

REMARKS by Ronald K. Noble
INTERPOL Secretary General
21st  INTERPOL Americas Regional Conference

6 July 2011
Oranjestad, Aruba
 

INTERPOL President KHOO Boon Hui;
Commissioner of Police of Aruba, Mr Adolfo RICHARDSON;
Chiefs of police;
INTERPOL Executive Committee members;
Heads of INTERPOL National Central Bureaus;
Colleagues from INTERPOL General Secretariat;
  
Ladies and Gentlemen;

Good morning – BON DÍA - to all of you who have travelled from all over the region and
the world to be here and attend this 21st  INTERPOL Americas Regional Conference.

It is a true pleasure to be here today, and to address such a vast and distinguished
audience. Particularly so, when we are lucky enough to be guests in beautiful Aruba.

I am also glad to see with us today delegates from two other autonomous countries
(separate entities if you will) within the Kingdom of the Netherlands: Curaçao and St
Maarten.

We look very much forward to their one day applying to continue their membership in INTERPOL under their respective country names, just like Aruba did in 1987.

And each time I visit Aruba, it is difficult not to stare in amazement at its landscape, its flawless beaches and its people, whose origins can be traced all over the world.

It is easy, then, to understand why most of us have come to know this island as the place “where happiness lives” and where happiness can be sought by anyone.

However, as police professionals we know that too often the happiness of our co-citizens can become a target - and fall prey to those who choose to break the law.

Unfortunately, the white beaches of Aruba are no exception.  

It was here that Natalee Holloway, an 18-year old student from the United States, was last seen in 2005, before her disappearance.

Five years later, in March 2010, while struggling to cope with that tragedy, Natalee’s
family became prey to a ruthless individual, who allegedly tried to extort money in
exchange for false information on Natalee’s location and fate.

1,700 miles away and only two months later, the happiness of another innocent citizen
was again the victim of a violent crime. It was in Lima, Peru, that a 21-year-old female student was found murdered in a hotel room after a seemingly normal night.

The prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance case, Joran Van der Sloot, was again the prime police suspect, but this time it was murder.  This time he had already fled the scene of crime, and was feared to have exited the country.

But thanks to rapid coordination between NCB Lima, NCB Santiago de Chile and
INTERPOL’s Command and Control Centre in Lyon, in just 24 hours Joran Van der
Sloot was located, apprehended in Chile and expelled back to Peru.  Let me congratulate the NCBs of the countries involved and our CCC for your close cooperation and fast work.

The use of INTERPOL channels unveiled another disturbing fact.

Joran Van der Sloot is also the person wanted by the US via an INTERPOL Red Notice
for allegedly extorting money from Natalee Holloway’s family only a year before.

Thanks again to the fine efforts of our member countries, our NCBs and INTERPOL’s
General Secretariat, Joran Van der Sloot is in custody and away from innocent people
who could be at risk were he still travelling internationally.


 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 12, 2011, 08:24:03 PM
I don't know what happened with the spacing on my last post!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I tried to fix it TM but it's still wrong = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 12, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Thanks, texasmom, for the Interpol post.   ::MonkeyCool::

Natalee will not be forgotten; Aruba will be reminded over and over again--

"It is easy, then, to understand why most of us have come to know this island as the place
“where happiness lives” and where happiness can be sought by anyone. 

However, as police professionals we know that too often the happiness of our co-citizens
can become a target - and fall prey to those who choose to break the law. 

Unfortunately, the white beaches of Aruba are no exception."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2011, 01:39:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 13, 2011, 10:10:02 PM
  ::MonkeyCool::

Tomorrow evening ... Beth will once again be a guest on Dr. Drew - HLN.  It is my understanding that the parallels between the  Caylee Anthony Case and the Natalee Holloway case will again be the focus of discussion.

Beth has so much to share.  When her short appearance on the last show is considered ... I hope Dr. Drew affords her more time to share.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 13, 2011, 10:10:31 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 13, 2011, 11:25:35 PM
I don't know what happened with the spacing on my last post!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I tried to fix it TM but it's still wrong = San

Thank you San!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 14, 2011, 12:28:49 AM
  ::MonkeyCool::

Tomorrow evening ... Beth will once again be a guest on Dr. Drew - HLN.  It is my understanding that the parallels between the  Caylee Anthony Case and the Natalee Holloway case will again be the focus of discussion.

Beth has so much to share.  When her short appearance on the last show is considered ... I hope Dr. Drew affords her more time to share.

Janet

 

Thanks, Janet.  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 14, 2011, 12:49:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 14, 2011, 03:16:02 AM
Justice for Natalee!!!
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Justice for Stephany!!
 ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 14, 2011, 03:19:00 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyCool::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 14, 2011, 10:08:07 AM
::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyCool::

pb


Good morning pb
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2011, 02:24:02 PM
  ::MonkeyCool::

Tomorrow evening ... Beth will once again be a guest on Dr. Drew - HLN.  It is my understanding that the parallels between the Caylee Anthony Case and the Natalee Holloway case will again be the focus of discussion.

Beth has so much to share.  When her short appearance on the last show is considered ... I hope this time Dr. Drew affords her more time.

Janet


Thanks, Janet.  ::justice2NJ::


I was so frustrated during Beth's June 23rd interview with Dr. Drew.  That guy needs to take lessons from our Dana.  Beth had so much to share in the short segment of the show that was afforded ... but was unable to get it out.  Dr. Drew kept interrupting.

The parallels between the pathological traits of Joran van der Sloot and Casey Anthony are beyond similar.

Also ... the ongoing abetting environments that have protected these two from being held accountable for their respective wrongdoings in life and therefore ... prevented justice from prevailing for their victims ....

Janet

+++++

DR. DREW
Beth Holloway: The Casey, Joran Lies
Aired June 23, 2011 - 21:00:00


<snipped? 

PINSKY: You believe that Van Der Sloot and Casey Anthony have similar modus operandi. Tell us about that.

BETH HOLLOWAY: I do.

PINSKY: Before I get too emotional.

HOLLOWAY: Thank you, Dr. Drew. I do. Of course, both of them had the litany of lies -- you know, here, from both of them. Something that I think is even more so striking is this mode of operation from the two. From Joran come started out the same way. Oh, I left her at the beach. She`s fine. No involvement. She`s alive, OK? Casey started out the same way, left her with the nanny, she`s fine.

Then as things began to get a little warmer and more uncomfortable, then he changed it to, well, it was an accident, something tragic happened, but, you know, it was an accident. Same thing kind of with Casey. Well, it was an accident. Now, they`ve changed them from an alive Natalee and Caylee to a deceased Natalee and Caylee.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/23/ddhln.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 14, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34162-cuerpo-policial-aruba-ta-honra-coleganan-cu-ta-recordando-nan-25-y-35-ana-di-servicio-na-e-comunidad.html

Papiamentu translation:

cuerpo policial aruba is honor añanan of lealtad y of serve we country

thursday, 14 july 2011 11:54

monday 11 of july 2011, alto command of cuerpo policial was present for honor cuatro of they miembronan cu is sres. r.v. halley, d.d. jacobs, j.c. peterson y sra. b.r. frolijk. sr halley owing to accomplish 35 year of servicio, while cu sr. jacobs, sr. peterson y sra frolijk owing to accomplish 25 year of servicio in cuerpo policial. alto comisario, sr. adolfo richardson, owing to otorga the coleganan the acostumbrado envelop y owing to show his aprecio for all they añanan of dedicacion y work duro at please of the comunidad. past owing to expresa his desire for her coleganan menciona can stay more much cu is possible cu k.p.a. for so help form y instrui the generacionnan new cu the experiencia extenso cu they owing to adkiri atraves of they carriere. also past owing to gradici the famianan, cu also owing to sostene the coleganan atraves of all the añanan. this owing to sosode tanto in time good y in time bad. present at the ocasion here was miembronan of the korps management team y another coleganan of the various departamentonan y they famianan cu also owing to come honor the coleganan come across

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2011, 08:05:09 PM

DR. DREW
Beth Holloway: The Casey, Joran Lies
Aired June 23, 2011 - 21:00:00


<snipped? 

PINSKY: You believe that Van Der Sloot and Casey Anthony have similar modus operandi. Tell us about that.

BETH HOLLOWAY: I do.

PINSKY: Before I get too emotional.

HOLLOWAY: Thank you, Dr. Drew. I do. Of course, both of them had the litany of lies -- you know, here, from both of them. Something that I think is even more so striking is this mode of operation from the two. From Joran come started out the same way. Oh, I left her at the beach. She`s fine. No involvement. She`s alive, OK? Casey started out the same way, left her with the nanny, she`s fine.

Then as things began to get a little warmer and more uncomfortable, then he changed it to, well, it was an accident, something tragic happened, but, you know, it was an accident. Same thing kind of with Casey. Well, it was an accident. Now, they`ve changed them from an alive Natalee and Caylee to a deceased Natalee and Caylee.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/23/ddhln.01.html



The Natalee Holloway Case

Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


<snipped>

They also told police that they dropped  Holloway at her Holiday Inn at about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.  The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.  Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's return.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


The Caylee Marie Anthony Case

Casey Anthony Handcuffed, Arrested On New Charges
Posted: 1:13 pm EDT September 12, 2008
Updated: 9:34 am EDT September 18, 2008


<snipped>

Casey told detectives she gave her daughter to a babysitter and then took them to an apartment where she says she dropped off Caylee. However, the apartment had been vacant since February and the babysitter, Zenaida Gonzales, says she never met Casey.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
THE ENABLERS

The Natalee Holloway Case

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.
And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ...It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


The Caylee Marie Anthony Case

Exclusive: Grandparents of Missing Toddler 'On the Record'
Wednesday, August 06, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you 100 percent believe your daughter?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I do
.
VAN SUSTEREN: George, what about you, 100 percent?

GEORGE ANTHONY, MISSING CHILD'S GRANDFATHER: More than 100 percent

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2011, 08:36:53 PM
Reminder

In 25 minutes Dr. Drew (HLN) will be interviewing Beth Holloway.

Janet
5:35 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
PATHOLOGICAL LIARS

The Natalee Holloway Case

Official Transcript
Primetime Live ABC - Chris Cuomo
February 23, 2008


<snipped>

CRRIS CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
 
CUOMO: Would you believe you?

VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.

<snipped>

Source: Scrux


The Caylee Marie Anthony Case

Casey Anthony trial: 'Oh, my God; I'm such a good liar,' Casey told witness
10:30 p.m. EDT, May 26, 2011


<snipped>

Melissa England, who now lives in Boston, had dated Casey Anthony's friend. England said that over the Fourth of July weekend in 2008, she and her boyfriend went to a club and met Anthony there.

"She was very friendly, outgoing, she introduced herself to me immediately," England said.

She spent time with Anthony over that weekend, including one point at which Anthony was talking on the phone. When Anthony hung up, she said, "Oh my God, I am such a good liar," England testified.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-3-20110526,0,3563115.story


TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED INTERVIEW CASEY ANTHONY
CONDUCTED BY DETECTIVE MELICH
CASE NUMBER – 08-069208


(DETECTIVE MELICH)

<snipped>

Everything you’ve told us is a lie. You’re looking me in the eyes, you’re looking at…everything you’ve told us is a lie. Every single thing.

<snipped>

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/caseyanthony071608_2.pdf

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documentsreleased-
part-1


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2011, 01:20:30 AM
DR. DREW
Aired July 14, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

PINSKY: Depravity, Beth. Do you see similarities? We`re going to try to discuss this in the context of Casey Anthony. Do you see similarities between Joran and Casey?

HOLLOWAY: Of course, I do, Dr. Drew. And when you have a parent who has a child that suddenly goes missing and every behavior they display is completely abnormal from what you would see in a parent who is truly searching for the truth and to find their missing loved one. I mean, you cannot help but see that, to me, Casey was doing everything to divert any attention from herself and to place the blame on others. They always, you know, push outside the circle of themselves for the blame.

<snipped>

HOLLOWAY: What I`ve seen with Joran is, even though, they don`t feel as if they`re being held accountable or responsible for their actions, they tend to always go into a downward spiral. And when I think of Casey, I cannot help see some similarities between Casey and Joran, and that, they`re starving for attention.

And if we`re talking about taking a young woman and losing her identity, I mean, what will become of her? I mean, she has no other identity but who she is and the actions that she`s committed in her name. And I think of Joran, he couldn`t have stood to have lost his identity and not have the attention.

<snipped>

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely. And you can see that Casey had already actually disconnected herself from Caylee because she implicated the nanny, and so, placing somebody else who is the last person known she`d be seeing with her daughter alive. So, I feel she had already, as I said, disconnected herself from her daughter, at that point.

<snipped>

HOLLOWAY: Well, I mean, when you think about it, I mean, every tragic event brings about the need for education and change. And it`s unfortunate that a mother could go 31 days without letting anyone know that her daughter was missing. But I mean, it happens time and time again. A horrific event brings about the need for education or change, and that is exactly what is coming out of Caylee`s murder.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/14/ddhln.01.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2011, 09:17:53 AM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/07/joran-van-der-sloot-guilty-21-reasons-peru-captain-juan-callan (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/07/joran-van-der-sloot-guilty-21-reasons-peru-captain-juan-callan)

Joran Van Der Sloot: 21 Reasons He's Guilty, From Peruvian Detective
Posted on Jul 15, 2011 @ 06:30AM 

By Amber Goodhand - Radar Reporter

While Joran Van der Sloot awaits his fate in Lima’s run-down Castro Castro prison, Peruvian homicide detective Captain Juan Callan has 21 reasons he believes the Dutchman killed and robbed Stephany Flores.

In the new investigative book, Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery, obtained by RadarOnline.com, authors Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson collected nearly 400 pages of Callan’s master file on Joran.

Callan has been a member of the Peruvian National Police Force for two decades, worked the Flores crime scene and interrogated Joran.
 ::snipping2::

Read all 21 reasons here:

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/21reasonsvandersloot.pdf

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 15, 2011, 09:58:30 AM
Does Peru have any laws to charge Joran not only for pre-meditated murder and robbery but also for torturing a victim? 
   ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/21reasonsvandersloot.pdf
21 Reasons Joran Van der Sloot Is Guilty
 ::snipping2::
4. The cruelty exhibited by Van der Sloot as evidenced by the lesions on the
different parts of her body, leaving open the possibility that inside Room 309 Van
der Sloot may have tortured Stephany in an attempt to obtain the passwords
to
the victim’s credit and bank cards in order to access the money in her accounts,
showing no appreciation for human life.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 10:02:18 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/21reasonsvandersloot.pdf

 ::snipping2::

Quote
4. The cruelty exhibited by Van der Sloot as evidenced by the lesions on the
different parts of her body, leaving open the possibility that inside Room 309 Van
der Sloot may have tortured Stephany
in an attempt to obtain the passwords to
the victim’s credit and bank cards in order to access the money in her accounts,
showing no appreciation for human life.

 ::snipping2::

Quote
6. The autopsy report established that Stephany’s body, in an advanced state of
decomposition — presented signs of cranial, encephalic, and cervical trauma; the
cause of death being a blunt instrument, namely, Joran’s fists.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 10:03:47 AM
Does Peru have any laws to charge Joran not only for pre-meditated murder and robbery but also for torturing a victim? 
   ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/21reasonsvandersloot.pdf
21 Reasons Joran Van der Sloot Is Guilty
 ::snipping2::
4. The cruelty exhibited by Van der Sloot as evidenced by the lesions on the
different parts of her body, leaving open the possibility that inside Room 309 Van
der Sloot may have tortured Stephany in an attempt to obtain the passwords
to
the victim’s credit and bank cards in order to access the money in her accounts,
showing no appreciation for human life.
 ::snipping2::

I agree.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 10:17:03 AM
Does Peru have any laws to charge Joran not only for pre-meditated murder and robbery but also for torturing a victim? 
   ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/21reasonsvandersloot.pdf
21 Reasons Joran Van der Sloot Is Guilty
 ::snipping2::
4. The cruelty exhibited by Van der Sloot as evidenced by the lesions on the
different parts of her body, leaving open the possibility that inside Room 309 Van
der Sloot may have tortured Stephany in an attempt to obtain the passwords
to
the victim’s credit and bank cards in order to access the money in her accounts,
showing no appreciation for human life.
 ::snipping2::

I agree.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe a more appropriate response would have been I HOPE SO!   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 01:07:10 PM
If anyone is interested...

http://adoraburl.typepad.com/truecrime/2011/07/joran-van-der-sloot-the-inside-scoop-on-this-alleged-crazed-killer.html

TRUE CRIME UNCENSORED with BURL BARER "THE BEST TRUE CRIME RADIO PROGRAM ON THE AIR!" ERIN MORIARTY CBS 48 HRS. SATURDAY 2PM PACIFIC ON OUTLAW RADIO, HTTP://OUTLAWRADIO.TV/LISTENLIVE.HTML

07/08/2011

Joran van der Sloot --The Inside Scoop on this alleged crazed killer!!
2pm PT/5pm ET/10pm UK time Listen Live

JULY 9th -- Portrait of a Monster!


Cole Thompson joins us with the inside scoop on alleged killer Joran van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::

(At the top link...on the right hand side you can listen to Cole Thompson's interview on the radio about the book.  It's a little over an hour long...and they get off on other subjects as well.)

A few things from the interview:

Joran told the cab drivers in Chile that his father owned a concrete company and he was on his way to Santiago to meet a girlfriend.

Cole Thompson says that Stephany's father believes that his daughter being murdered on May 30th (is no coincidence)...he believes there are at least three others victims out there somewhere.

Joran had known Stephany for about two weeks after they were introduced by Elton Garcia.

Joran's phone number was in Stephany's cell phone.

Joran and Stephany had gambled together at least a couple times before.

He talks about the similarities between Joran and Casey Anthony.

(The host insinuates that George is responsible since he's the only one who would know how to cover a crime)
 ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::geraldodance::

After a few minutes about the Casey Anthony trial...finally back to Joran! 

According to Cole Thompson:
From the psychological report...Had a lot of stuff that you would expect...that he devalues the feminine figure; psychologist kept saying over and over again...he's always had problems with women; women turn up dead or disappear around him...

Joran's first sexual experience (as he describes) was at 14...with other boys and then he graduated to women.

Cole Thompson says he wonders if he's got something he's hiding that's eating away at him.

Host says...Let's go with that!  First of all...you don't graduate from boys to women, there is no ceremony!   

::MonkeyDevil::

You're on one team or the other and every once in a while you jump back but you don't put on a cap and gown.

Cole Thompson says this was so unexpected because all he'd ever heard was what a womanizer Joran was and how he liked to brag about his sexual exploits with women.

Host:  Well that's the first guy that was gay!  (I'm guessing he meant the first "sign" he's gay?)

Cole Thompson:  If you're bi polar and you're harboring this secret, you're a ticking time bomb I would think.

Cole Thompson:  One of the things we learned, we had access to the lead detective in the case down in Peru, and one of the things we learned is this was not a blitz attack.  She was not killed immediately, her neck was not broken as has been reported.  She had massive internal injuries, was bleeding mainly out of her face...out of her nose that was broken.  They were all survivable injuries, and she was lying in the floor in agony...and he took a shower, cleaned up...he realized she was still alive because she kept making noises...so he grabbed a shirt just like it was instinctual and smothered her with it.  It's the same shirt he has on in the video where they're walking into the hotel.  It almost felt like a signature.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears::

Cole Thompson's theory about why Stephany went up to Joran's room is that he'd probably borrowed money from her that night.  And he probably told her he didn't walk around with a lot of money (being a tourist and all) but had it in his room, that's why she didn't look too pleased about going up to the room.  He thinks that it doesn't make sense to leave a casino and go to a $15 hotel room to play online poker.  He doesn't think he took her there necessarily to kill her, he doesn't think he had a plan; if so maybe to manipulate more money out of her. 

But he does believe the murder was premeditated, because he had the cooling off time after beating her...he relaxed took a shower...changed clothes...before he finished her off.

Host wants Cole Thompson to tell one thing from the book that they haven't talked about...a treat from the book:

One of his favorite sequences from the book:

They'd just come back from Chile and Joran is being processed in Lima.  He's handed off to the Homicide 2 division (he believes).

Captain Juan Callan sits Joran down in a chair, he has the handcuffs removed from Joran so he'll be comfortable.  (He's playing "good cop")  Joran stretches, and Callan asked him if he can get him anything...something to eat or drink?  Joran asks for cigarettes...and he gives them to him...he chain smokes two or three.  Callan says to Joran that he understands he's a poker player, a really good one at that.  Joran perks up.  Callan says...I play poker too.  You want to play a game?  Joran nods, he's excited...like he's thinking he's really going to play a game of poker.  Callan opens up his desk drawer and he starts putting down the evidence photos...the surveillance photos...not much of a reaction from Joran.  Then he reaches into another drawer and pulls out an evidence bag and takes out the bloody shirt (which smells foul at this point) and holds it up to Joran...and Joran recoils...and Callan tells him...you're a good player, but I'm a better player.  At that point, that's when the confession picks up. 

Before that Joran had been saying that some phony Peruvian police officers had killed Stephany; or maybe even real Peruvian police officers that had killed her.  He said that was the reason the tapes were all doctored and this was one big conspiracy...and he was a victim... (classic Joran imo)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 01:10:08 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/homicide-cop-why-joran-van-der-sloot-is-guilty

HOMICIDE COP: WHY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT IS GUILTY!

(http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sites/nationalenquirer.com/files/imagecache/node_page_image/article_images/joran_story_2.jpg)

Published on: July 15, 2011
Photography by: AFP/GETTY

NATALEE HOLLOWAY prime suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is nailed in new book by top cop who lists the harrowing facts behind his smarmy web of deceit!
 
AS Van der Sloot awaits his fate in Lima’s run-down Castro Castro prison, Peruvian homicide detective Captain Juan Callan has listed  21 – count ‘em --  reasons he believes the Dutchman killed and robbed Stephany Flores.
 
In investigative book, Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery, obtained by RadarOnline.com, nearly 400 pages of Callan’s master file on Joran are exhibited,
 
Det. Callan, a member of the Peruvian National Police Force for two decades, not only worked the Flores investigation but interrogated Joran.
 
According to Callan’s file, he says the grim murder was “committed with premeditation, violence, ferocity and cruelty, using physical force to cause her death.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/2806243/2011/07/15/Joran-heeft-Stephany-op-wrede-wijze-vermoord.dhtml

Google translation:

"Joran has Stephany brutally murdered '

'Battered body points to torture'

In a newly published book, "Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot" is based on 21 written arguments that Joran van der Sloot premeditated and cruel Stephany Flores killed. The book is based on the police investigation and reveals details about the murder.

It was written by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson and based on the 'Callan file. These reports Radar Online. Research principal investigator Callan The file is 400 pages long study of Peruvian chief of homicide detective Juan Callan. He is convinced that Joran is guilty of robbing and murder of Stephany Flores. The Callan file can be read that Joran in the presence of his lawyer and a translator known that he Stephany robbed of her money, identity card, bank cards, credit card and her car before she suffocated. Tortured Stephany her body was so mutilated that it can be assumed that Joran has tortured her to get her passwords to bank cards. According to Callan this shows that Van der Sloot has no respect for human life. 

::snipping2::

15/07/11 2:49 p.m.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
http://www.enterprisenews.com/archive/x633527064/Easton-pocket-park-will-be-dedicated-on-Saturday#ixzz1SCMiOGxo

Easton ‘pocket park’ will be dedicated on Saturday
Ceremony for once-vacant lot is Saturday

The dedication ceremony for Povoas Park will take place on Saturday.

By Vicki-Ann Downing
Enterprise Staff Writer
Posted Jul 15, 2011 @ 06:00 AM

   
EASTON —
On a hot July afternoon, three wooden benches and an old-fashioned drinking fountain beckon walkers along Center Street to stop and rest for awhile.

A once-vacant lot is now Povoas Park, which will be dedicated at 11 a.m. Saturday. It was completed in mid-May with money from the Community Preservation Act and the Povoas family.

Joe Povoas, 55, who grew up on nearby Sheridan Street, wanted to establish the “pocket park” in memory of his parents, Tony and Mary Povoas, and to honor his friend Joe Cronin, who disappeared in 1991 while snorkeling in Aruba.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.easton.ma.us/Directory/cpa_committee/PovoasParkCPA.pdf

 ::snipping2::

2) A separate smaller memorial plaque will also be provided and tastefully placed in
memory of a good friend, Joe Cronin, who grew up on Baldwin Street. Joe
nicknamed this spot “The Western Front”. In 1991 Joe died in an accident in
Aruba and his body was never found.  This is the closest his parents will have to a
final memorial to their son.


http://www.eastonmass.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7248&whichpage=4

 ::snipping2::

Joe Cronin was my good friend who grew up around the corner at the end of Baldwin Street. His parents Norm and Sally were life long Easton residents who now live on Cape Cod. In 1991, Joe took a vacation to Aruba with a friend, went snorkeling and never came out of the water. Though there was an investigation by the police and a private investigator sent by his parents, his body was never recovered. The best anyone could come up with was that he was hit by a boat but nothing has ever been confirmed. His parents have even spoken to Natalie Hollaways parents about their shared experience on that island.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.eastonmass.com/forum/uploaded/Jpovoas/201142515247_Joe%2520Cronin.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.eastonmass.com/forum/topic.asp%3FTOPIC_ID%3D7248%26whichpage%3D4&usg=__gkM47c80CaQZTPe-Ds6usXOpKXI=&h=437&w=360&sz=25&hl=en&start=2&zoom=1&tbnid=S0-9bIMQiqP-kM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=104&ei=B4YgTt2bE8i70AHw39TWAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Cronin%2522%252Bsnorkeling%252Baruba%2B1991%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D649%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1

http://www.eastonmass.com/forum/uploaded/Jpovoas/201142515247_Joe%20Cronin.jpg
(this link didn't work so I found the picture at the link above it)

Joe Cronin

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0ahgwNPbE01BAYFdzVFNVsalm2lLlMW1H2pKeWmI-PcNoSWmL&t=1)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/crime/2011/07/coke-zat-in-container-marechaussee

Google translation:

Coke was in container constabulary

Sixty kilos of cocaine that was found yesterday at Assen in a conspicuous place or Sat hidden.

The drugs were in fact a container with household goods of military police.

The man returned recently returned from Aruba and found the drugs when he was unloading his gear Thursday with a moving company. The man explained the police immediately, says a police spokesman Drenthe today.

The party cocaine has a street value of over 3 million euros.


http://www.dvhn.nl/nieuws/drenthe/article6745161.ece/Vangst-van-60-kilo-coca%C3%AFne-in-Assen-(update-21.05-uur)

Google translation:

Catch of 60 kilos of cocaine in Assen (updated 21.05)
DVHN | Published: July 14, 2011, 19:33
Last updated on July 14, 2011, 21:07
 
ASSEN -
In a shipping container in Assen, the police Thursday a party of 60 kilos of cocaine. The party was hidden between the household of a member of the military police who lived in Aruba for some time and had just returned to the capital of Drenthe.

The man was morning the container with household goods delivered to his home. When he opened the container, he found the huge party hard drugs. The amount of 60 pounds, especially for northern concepts, very large. The street value is approximately three million euro uncut.

 ::snipping2::

Police stressed that the member of the Military Police is not a suspect. He called the police himself.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2011, 05:27:22 PM
GETTING STORIES STRAIGHT

The Natalee Holloway Case

Paulus van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 23, 2005

My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer. I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible

Scared Monkeys


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


GRACE: Beth, that the judge refused to allow anyone to search his house and that Joran Van Der Sloot ultimately quit talking. The day after all of this happened, while you were out combing the island, they called a meeting, a meeting at the pool behind the judge`s house of lawyers, the Kalpoe family, Joran Van Der Sloot, his father, for what?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: What he was doing was helping the boys get their stories straight, Nancy. He was instructing the boys how to get your story straight. If all stories match, in 10 days you will be free.

GRACE: And what about the hard drive?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well he also told the guys once they got their stories straight to begin e-mailing this and then use your hard drive to nail an alibi.

GRACE: And not to use your cell phone.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Cell phones would be bugged.

GRACE: Incredible while you were out walking the beaches looking for Natalee they are devising their defense strategy. Of course they claim they know nothing about the case.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


The Caylee Marie Anthony Case

TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED INTERVIEW OF CINDY ANTHONY
CONDUCTED BY DETECTIVE EDWARDS
CASE NUMBER – 08-074777
09/09/08


<snipped>

A ... I said, “Annie you wanna go with me to Staples’, so I figured this is a good opportunity for me to talk to Annie cause I hadn’t had a chance to talk to Annie this whole week.

Q In the whirlwind.

A To find out what was going on. So her and I drove to Staples and um, her and I, when we were talking it made me feel how good it was to talk to her, one of Caysee’s friends to see if she had talked to Caysee, long list I said, “You know what it wouldn’t be a bad idea”, her and I talked about getting people together like Cory and some of Caysee’s other friends to see if we could figure out what Caysee was doing during this time okay. So when I got back to the house after dropping Annie back off at the Public with the flyers. By then Jesse and Lee were back at the house. Jesse was sitting at one end of my table in the dinner room, Lee was at the other and when I came in I said something to Lee and Jesse was there. I said, “You know what”, I said, “Annie and I just had a really great talk, we spent you know the last 45 minutes or so talking”, I said, “I think it’d be helpful if we get all Caysee’s friends together and kind of do a time line over the last you know month to see where here head was at and what’s going on”.  Plus too I knew that um, Shawn Daley’s friend was the one that did Caysee’s tattoo. And Jesse was there, Jesse goes, “Well Mrs. Anthony let me volunteer to be in charge of that time line”. And I says, “Well Jesse”, I said, “A lot of these friends I’m gonna be talking to you don’t know”, I said, “I’d kinda like to talk to her friends first” and then I said, “Certainly you can interject your stuff in the time line”.

<snipped>

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/cindyanthony080408.pdf
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf


TEXT MESSAGE FROM ANNIE DOWNING TO AMY HUIZENA
 
Downing, Annie to Amy 7/23/2008 8:41:19 AM Mrs Anthony is requesting us all to meet at the house tonight at 8pm. Please arrage your schedules accordingly. This is VERY important!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34188-abogado-lejuez-di-merryweather-fiscal-kier-desacredita-e-comerciante-den-wowo-publico-.html

Papiamentu/Google Dutch and Spanish translations

advocate lejuez: fiscal wanted desacredita herby merryweather publicamente

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.PERSONAHE.chris_lejuez.jpeg)

thursday, 14 july 2011 19:31

chris lejuez is advocate defensor of herby merryweather, that till cu recientemente was deteni relaciona cu one investigacion penal for fraude of tax. after cu sr. merryweather owing to wordo let pound, ministerio publico owing to apela the decision comokiera cu they do not of acuerdo cu one person that is wordo investiga for fraude of 8 miyon guilder have to wordo let free.

diaranson ultimo the caso here owing to wordo deal in chambers of court of the peticion of fiscal. the advocate owing to stay very surprised of read in corant declaracion of fiscal parent blanken, that is tell cu not can is so cu person cu owing to admiti of owe miyones at tax is march pound. the fiscal is tell or insinua cu the hendenan will owing to admiti, y if the declaracion is corecto, the is one lie flagrante, according advocate lejuez. is berdad cu his cliente owing to admiti cu past owing to “dodge” tax, but the cifranan cu is talk of dje is much less cu locual fiscal parent owing to haci at corant. the advocate owing to haci one calculacion for hof, enough on cifranan in the procesverbaal, y on one period of cinco anja. so past owing to arrive at one suma cu is core among 500 thousand y 750 thousand guilder. then more or less 150 thousand guilder for cada anja. esey is locual owing to calcula y do not at his luga for fiscal parent come tell cu the hendenan owing to admiti of owe miyones at tax.

fiscal parent peter blanken owing to tell cu in type of the casonan here castigo of 18 month is wordo give. this niether is berdad, according the advocate, because not have caso similar. this is one of the first biahanan cu one person is wordo deteni for “evasion” of tax. the another caso was at september 2010 caminda one person owing to wordo deteni for motibo of not owing to entrega blank of bbo y income tax y tax for cinco anja. the person owing to stay deteni of 7 for 10 of september. then thing fiscal parent owing to tell do not block. caso of the netherlands do not block niether. past did take the ehempel of guus giddink (na 2007) that owing to “dodge” for 1.3 miyon euro y past owing to achieve fine 45 thousand euro y six month condicional. then none comparacion is cuadra. the advocate owing to tell cu his cliente owing to dune instruccion for take contacto cu tax for arrive at one amicable settlement for her pay the belastingnan atrasa still.

the person cu owing to work the raport in the file, on ordo of ministerio publico, hour cu past owing to wordo aserca door of specialista of tax the employee owing to tell cu never past owing to work one raport. “esaki is stranjo because is basa on his own raport i have arrive at the cifranan give at corte,” mr. lejuez owing to comenta. his conclusion is cu fiscal is deal of desacredita the cliente of dje in eye publico of one form inaceptabel. more still cu not have one decision still of corte. hof all the time owing to tell cu they will bay think on the caso y will take one decision diaranson now, if the pareha is bay bek kia or will stay pound. locual owing to molestia the advocate is cu fiscal parent is desacredita one family y instiga publico contra they, that is one family cu owing to nifica enough for aruba. one family cu owing to help aruba in one as cultural, envolvi in carnaval, family cu owing to produci minister in past. the is atacha name of all the family. first of talk cosnan cu do not berdad, the have to considera good kico the is bay tell. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 07:27:57 PM
http://www.aruba.com/news/cuisine/driftwood-restaurant-celebrates-its-25th-anniversary/

Driftwood Restaurant Celebrates its 25th Anniversary

Cuisine     July 11th, 2011

Friends and well-wishers gathered this week at the Driftwood Restaurant to wish the owners, members of the Merryweather family, another successful 25 years!

Francine Merryweather and her son Herbert, his wife Carolina and the restaurant’s staff enjoyed a champagne toast with guests, escorted by the restaurant’s famous seafood hors d’hoeuvres, in honor of the special day.

Spreading the good news even further, during the month of July, the Driftwood restaurant is offering locals and visitors added value worth a celebration on its own, in the form of 25% discount, off dinner.

Twenty-five years ago, on July 4th, the Driftwood Restaurant unceremoniously opened its door on Klipstraat 12, in Oranjestad.

Herby used to go fishing every day, recalls Francine, and his catch was always much in-demand among friends. Finally Francine, or was it Herby, who came up with the idea of opening a quaint fisherman’s restaurant at the heart of town, on a quiet street, in a typically colonial former residence.

The décor idea came to the Merryweathers in a flash. Driftwood, of course. Herby encountered large quantities of it bobbing in the waves while on his fishing safaris and he started to bring the weathered, well-travelled wood home, to store for future use.

When the restaurant idea was hatched Herby recruited all fish-loving friends to collect more washed in wood on the North Shore, and deliver their loot as building material for interior decor, which he inter-wove with mirrored glass, shells, fish nets, and retired maritime bric a brac.

Francine recalls just 8 tables, and a hand-written menu, which she designed including the logo. The tablecloths were hand-sewn at home, and the atmosphere distinctly cozy and intimate, which restaurant patrons, both locals and visitors found irresistibly charming.
While the restaurant expanded over the years, a few things never changed including the quality of the daily fresh catch, swimming in the sea in the morning and starring on plates by dinner time, and the Aruban-style congenial hospitality.

 ::snipping2::

Pictured here, the Merryweather family, the dedicated staff members of the restaurant, some local taxi drivers who dropped in to congratulate the family, besides assorted friend and acquaintances.

(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Driftwood-300x220.jpg)

several other pictures at the link


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2011, 08:15:21 PM
JUSTIFIED OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

The Natalee Holloway Case

'The Abrams Report' for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


KARIN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR, ARUBA:  The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran‘s, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police.  And that is - well, I can say was an obstruction of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


'The Abrams Report' for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


The Caylee Marie Anthony Case

Prosecutor Says Cindy Anthony Could Face Perjury Charges
Jul 7, 2011


Part of the state's case against Casey Anthony was that she chloroformed Caylee before placing duct tape over her mouth and nose which killed her. Computer searches done on the family's home computer for information about chloroform were allegedly done by Casey being that she was the only person home at the time.

Cindy Anthony shocked everyone by testifying that she was responsible for the searches. It was an obvious ploy to try and protect her daughter from the death penalty but it was a lie. The state came back with proof that Cindy Anthony was at work at the time.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8213279/prosecutor_says_cindy_anthony_could.html?cat=17


Will Cindy Anthony Face Perjury Charges?
OCSO Says Decision Was In State Attorney's Hands
POSTED: 4:11 pm EDT July 12, 2011
UPDATED: 4:24 pm EDT July 12, 2011


ORLANDO, Fla. -- A spokeswoman for the District Attorney's Office told WESH 2 News on Tuesday that Cindy Anthony will not face criminal perjury charges.

The word came just hours after top investigators who looked into Caylee Anthony's disappearance and death spoke about their work for the first time since Casey Anthony was found not guilty of first-degree murder.

<snipped>

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28524511/detail.html#ixzz1RvPkTp3K

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
http://zoomaruba.com/

Zissles 9 July 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07092011_Zissels_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07092011_Zissles.jpg)

(http://app.onlinephotofiler.com/Images/A_8/7/9/2/352978/3/82f352b5a92e4937be0b9b104dc69178.JPG?uid=c2914619-fb2e-4b95-b754-9a3b53eb0c78)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 09:04:41 PM
http://zoomaruba.com/

Confession Nightclub 9 July 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/07092011_ConfessionsClub1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2011, 10:36:27 PM
Zoomaruba is new to me!  I'll save the link.

I see Alberto Groeneveldt is have his usual gay old time.  He does enjoy himself, I've give him that!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Looks like Renfro was at Zizzles.  Looked but didn't see her  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649675584&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649675584&sk=wall)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6136/5941990480_fc0aacf43a_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 10:44:21 PM
Zoomaruba is new to me!  I'll save the link.

I see Alberto Groeneveldt is have his usual gay old time.  He does enjoy himself, I've give him that!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Looks like Renfro was at Zizzles.  Looked but didn't see her  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649675584&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649675584&sk=wall)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6136/5941990480_fc0aacf43a_o.jpg)

I've got a picture saved of her from there recently...I'm looking.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
www.facebook.com

This is it, she must have gone in the bathroom to take this picture of herself.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/JuliaRenfro_June2011_Zissles_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/JuliaRenfro_June2011_Zissles_2.jpg)

She probably thought she was lookin' good, skeeeeery if you ask me.   
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
http://zoomaruba.com/

Aruba Hi Winds PWA Grand Slam 26 June 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/06262011_ArubaHiWindsPWAGrandSlam_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2011, 11:25:28 PM
www.facebook.com

This is it, she must have gone in the bathroom to take this picture of herself.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/JuliaRenfro_June2011_Zissles_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/JuliaRenfro_June2011_Zissles_2.jpg)

She probably thought she was lookin' good, skeeeeery if you ask me.   
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

OH, I thought that was for Halloween  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWitch1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 15, 2011, 11:26:29 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 16, 2011, 01:35:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 16, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/07/buki-ta-indica-cu-joran-a-mata-stephany-na-un-manera-cruel-y-premedita/

book is indica cu joran owing to kill stephany at one as cruel y premedita

Papiamentu translation:

publication: saturday, 16 july 2011.

categoria: general

oranjestad(aan): in one book new cu owing to aparece on market calling ‘portrait or owing to monster: joran van der sloot’, is wordo tell cu joran van der sloot intencionalmente owing to asesina stephany flores at one as cruel. the book is basa his conclusion on 21 argument, cu have of haber cu investigacion of police. the book is revela cierto detayenan of the asesinato of the peruana. the book is write for lisa pulitzer y cole thompson y basa on the so calling ‘callans file’. callans file is one investigacion of 400 pagina of the boss of recherche peruvian juan callan. the is convenci cu joran is culpable of steal of stephany flores y asesinato of the young.

in the callans file can wordo read cu joran in presencia of his advocate y traductor is admiti cu past owing to steal for of stephany among another his coin, credit card y his car, first cu past owing to sofoca.

torture

stephany his curpa was so maltrata cu can wordo asumi cu joran owing to torture stephany for her can achieve the code of his carchinan of banco. according callan, this is show cu joran not have none respet for life human. joran is tell cu past owing to actua in defence own, after cu stephany will owing to strike the first. according callan, this is practicamente impossible of believe, mirando the heridanan earnest cu stephany was have at his cara, cabez y throat.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 16, 2011, 10:11:20 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34162-cuerpo-policial-aruba-ta-honra-coleganan-cu-ta-recordando-nan-25-y-35-ana-di-servicio-na-e-comunidad.html

Papiamentu translation:

cuerpo policial aruba is honor añanan of lealtad y of serve we country

thursday, 14 july 2011 11:54

monday 11 of july 2011, alto command of cuerpo policial was present for honor cuatro of they miembronan cu is sres. r.v. halley, d.d. jacobs, j.c. peterson y sra. b.r. frolijk. sr halley owing to accomplish 35 year of servicio, while cu sr. jacobs, sr. peterson y sra frolijk owing to accomplish 25 year of servicio in cuerpo policial. alto comisario, sr. adolfo richardson, owing to otorga the coleganan the acostumbrado envelop y owing to show his aprecio for all they añanan of dedicacion y work duro at please of the comunidad. past owing to expresa his desire for her coleganan menciona can stay more much cu is possible cu k.p.a. for so help form y instrui the generacionnan new cu the experiencia extenso cu they owing to adkiri atraves of they carriere. also past owing to gradici the famianan, cu also owing to sostene the coleganan atraves of all the añanan. this owing to sosode tanto in time good y in time bad. present at the ocasion here was miembronan of the korps management team y another coleganan of the various departamentonan y they famianan cu also owing to come honor the coleganan come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli14.25y35anja.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/notes/aruba-daily/police-honored-for-35-y-25-years-of-service/142442005835977

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07162011_DennisJacobs_25Years.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 16, 2011, 09:19:30 PM
Fabienne's back in Aruba...

http://fabiedushi.waarbenjij.nu/?page=profile&intTravelId=335182

Internship in the HR team of the Marriott

(http://images.waarbenjij.nu/user3/f/fabiedushi/4dee6e0b6e0d5973908436/pasfoto_220x180.jpg?rand=1310657048)

Profile
Name: Fabienne
Web address: http://fabiedushi.waarbenjij.nu/
Country: Netherlands
Age: 24 Years
In:     Apartments Sunshine      8:27 p.m.
Description:
My travel status: I am back at 201 days
My current journey: Internship in the HR tea ...  2011 (7 months, 1 week)

http://fabiedushi.waarbenjij.nu/Reisverslag/?Nederland/Internship+is+approved%21/&subdomain=fabiedushi&module=site&page=message&id=3899948

Travelogue
Fabienne, June 7, 2011    Netherlands Landgraaf    20 °   

Internship is approved!

Dushi's Hello! Here then again exactly one year after a travelogue. The latter was on my return travel to the Netherlands from Sao Paulo, Brazil, but now the trip again in a different direction! Finally I signed my contract and then come back. So then booked my ticket today and Wednesday, June 29 is it time again. I will depart from Schiphol Airport to Aruba Dushi Tera! Here, I have a month or holiday, official documents and then arrange each August 1 to take over the task of the Human Resource Coordinator of Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino. I am very curious about how the team works and hope, therefore, my only experience can do. For six months long can I join the team to end on January 12, 2012. But that is some time now some things and arrange a new adventure begins! Of course I'll keep you informed as much as it is Big kiss and much love, Fabienne

You can read more about her adventure here:

http://fabiedushi.waarbenjij.nu/?page=messages&intTravelId=335182
   

A little history in case some may have forgotten...

http://www.sti.fea.usp.br/conteudo.php?i=73&a=4&idinst=65

Google translation:

(http://www.sti.fea.usp.br/lib/imgSite.php?c=../media/interfeaoutros/img_1262954437.jpg&l=80&a=100)

Name: Fabienne Maessen
Institution: Maastricht University School of Business and Economics
Country: Netherlands
Year and Semester: 2010 / 1 semester.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

 ::snipping2::

Quote
MAESSEN, Fabienne   – blonde on beach and in photos at  Club Bahia with Joran during summer vacation 2006, around July 15, 2006. Was on the list of Tacopina’s character witnesses for Joran, pg 33 of court filing. Currently living in the NL with her parents.

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Fabienne_20Massaen.jpg)

http://www.zorpia.com/Fab0910

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3747.msg531276#msg531276

 ::snipping2::
Quote
Publicity Stunt Uncovered?
CFI has reason to believe that the Fabienne Massaen/ Joran Van der sloot public sightings were a coordinated publicity stunt. Could Fabienne Massaen simply be a hired 'blonde' intended to manipulate the mainstream media?

On July 21st, 2006, Inside Edition reported the following regarding the Joran/Fabienne Massaen retrun sighting in Aruba...

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty talked with INSIDE EDITION's Jim Moret about Van der sloot's return to Aruba: "It's terrible," she said. "Whether this young girl is an Aruban girl, Dutch or and American, it doesn't matter and it's very sad that he would be allowed to just engage in his behavious again." Read the entire article at
http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/inside_stories/story.aspx?storyid=297

That link didn't work for me, but I found this one on the wayback machine

http://web.archive.org/web/20060822203448/http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/inside_stories/story.aspx?storyid=297


http://www.joranjoran.com/joran-van-der-sloot/de-aruba-tijd/fabiennemaessenvriendinvanjoranvandersloot

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/2006_joranfabienne.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2011, 01:16:29 AM
THE ENABLERS

The Natalee Holloway Case

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: The only thing he could read was the Bible he got from a very nice police guy. He got a Bible to read.  And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


The Caylee Anthony Case

Emergency Motion Filed In Case of Missing Toddler
POSTED: 11:32 am EDT July 28, 2008
UPDATED: 1:31 pm EDT July 29, 2008


<snipped>
 
Casey Anthony asked to have her Bible be brought to her in jail, but her request was denied

"She's very religious. She'd feel great comfort. We tried to get that to her, but she's not allowed to have it," Cindy Anthony said.
 
<snipped>
 
http://www.wesh.com/news/17013972/detail.html
 
s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 02:42:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on July 17, 2011, 09:28:54 AM
texasmom

Thanks for always bringing the news and updates.  I appreciate it.


Klaas

There has been some order issued in the Kalpoe/McGraw case.  I'm not sure if it is anything.


Proceedings Held (Proceeding dates listed in descending order):


07/12/2011 at 04:00 pm in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Court's ruling and order entered


Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2011, 10:35:44 AM
THE RELEASE

The Caylee Anthony Case

Casey Anthony freed from jail early Sunday
Updated: Sunday, 17 Jul 2011, 9:40 AM EDT
Published : Saturday, 16 Jul 2011, 2:27 PM EDT


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony was freed from a Florida jail early Sunday, 12 days after she was acquitted of murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter Caylee in a verdict that drew furious responses and even threats from people across the U.S. who had followed the case with rapt attention.

Anthony, wearing a pink T-shirt with blue jeans, left the jail at 12:14 a.m. with her attorney, Jose Baez. She was given $537.68 in cash from her jail account and escorted outside by two sheriff's deputies armed with semi-automatic rifles. Neither Anthony nor Baez said anything to reporters and others gathered outside.

<snipped>

Anthony, 25, had been finishing her four-year sentence for telling investigators several lies, including that Caylee was kidnapped by a nonexistent nanny.

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxorlando.com//dpp/all/071611-Anthony-future-uncertain#ixzz1SMiF6tnB


The Natalee Holloway Case

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2011, 10:36:45 AM
The Downward Spiral

DR. DREW
Casey Anthony Trial Over but Drama Continues
Aired July 14, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

DREW PINSKY:  ... Do you think Casey is like Joran and that she may repeat the behaviors of the past? What do you think?

BETH HOLLOWAY: What I`ve seen with Joran is, even though, they don`t feel as if they`re being held accountable or responsible for their actions, they tend to always go into a downward spiral. And when I think of Casey, I cannot help see some similarities between Casey and Joran, and that, they`re starving for attention.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/14/ddhln.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 11:31:38 AM
texasmom

Thanks for always bringing the news and updates.  I appreciate it.


Klaas

There has been some order issued in the Kalpoe/McGraw case.  I'm not sure if it is anything.


Proceedings Held (Proceeding dates listed in descending order):


07/12/2011 at 04:00 pm in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Court's ruling and order entered


Thanks

You're welcome Buckeye, thank you as well for the news and updates you bring to us!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2011, 11:41:49 AM
I wonder what Fabienne thinks of Joran now?  Would she still want Joran to put the same hands on her that he used to torture, beat and eventually strangle Stephany to death?  I couldn't help but notice how pretty Fabienne is in her pictures.  I wonder if it's occurred to her how ugly she would look in pictures if Joran worked her over like he most likely did Natalee and then Stephany?   ::MonkeyMad:: 

Thanks for the updates/links/pics texasmom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:06:57 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-16-juli/231113810254939

Google translation:

"Number of attacks on tourists is not too bad '

Tourists in Aruba are still safer than other destinations in the region. The crime towards tourists is low in Aruba. Minister Otmar Oduber This emphasizes (AVP) of Labour, Tourism and Transport, in response to two recent robberies of elderly tourists that took place in quick succession.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/78889-more-flights-to-the-us

‘More flights to the US’         

TUESDAY, 5 JULY 2011 12:35

ORANJESTAD — Despite the loss of four flights from American Airlines last year, the number of flight seats to the United States has increased, compared to 2010, said the Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transport Otmar Oduber (AVP) this morning. In addition to extra flight connections, he also told the press that an aircraft had been able to leave Aruba without permission at the end of last week.

Oduber says he really regrets this, especially because he had not been informed. The aircraft was grounded since June 18th after uncertainties with its registration – at the order of the border police and international aviation watchdog FAA. Nevertheless, at the end of last week, the aircraft submitted a flight plan for Venezuela and subsequently given permission for take-off even though the suspension was not lifted, according to Oduber. He has now requested the interim director of the Aviation Directorate to investigate the matter. Nothing has been heard from the aircraft since. For that matter, the Minister reports that the flight restriction for Aruba Airlines will expire tomorrow and that this company will be able to fly again if the inspection runs smoothly.


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:23:29 PM
I wonder what Fabienne thinks of Joran now?  Would she still want Joran to put the same hands on her that he used to torture, beat and eventually strangle Stephany to death?  I couldn't help but notice how pretty Fabienne is in her pictures.  I wonder if it's occurred to her how ugly she would look in pictures if Joran worked her over like he most likely did Natalee and then Stephany?   ::MonkeyMad:: 

Thanks for the updates/links/pics texasmom.

It's as if you read my mind from last night MuffyBee. 

I started out wondering what she would have to say about him now, but then again I figured she would just be one more that would make excuses for him...blame the victim(s); after all she KNEW he was one of the prime suspects in Natalee's disappearance in 2006 and didn't seem to have any problem at all with him.  And considering her internship at the same hotel where they flaunted themselves for that week in 2006..., you know her utmost concern would more than likely be to protect tourism at all costs.

It's disgusting!

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:25:49 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-16-juli/231113810254939

Google translation:

 ::snipping2::

"Number of attacks on tourists is not too bad '

Tourists in Aruba are still safer than other destinations in the region. The crime towards tourists is low in Aruba. Minister Otmar Oduber This emphasizes (AVP) of Labour, Tourism and Transport, in response to two recent robberies of elderly tourists that took place in quick succession.

self edit to add snip


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:35:52 PM
http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-15-juli/230673763632277

Google translation:

OM on Merryweathers case: "This is pretty unique one million fraud case

The couple Herbert and Francine Merryweather is suspected of tax evasion of around 8 million florins. The Public Prosecutor speaks of a "free association of this unique case" and has gone into appeal against the decision that the couple at liberty until the case comes. The appeal case was yesterday and the Court, while ruling next Wednesday.

 ::snipping2::

 
Quest polluter Bubaliplas started
There is no formal place where waste oil can be brought. This would start this week a large quantity of sewage are dumped. That said DOW officer Paul Denters. The Office of Public Works (DOW), the Environmental Inspectorate and the police are investigating who earlier this week used oil into the sewage has been dumped. This meant that the water treatment plant in Bubaliplas completely silent.
 
Less subscriptions Chamber
The first half of this year, ten fewer companies are registered with the Chamber of Commerce (CoC) than in the first six months of 2010. In addition, the Chamber concerned about the international economic developments and their impact on Aruba.
 
'Military not suspicious'
Police in Drenthe Dutch media announced yesterday that the military police a party drug found in his shipping container, is not suspicious. He called himself because the police. The man has worked for some time in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:45:06 PM
http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-13-juli/229675953732058

Google translation:

 ::snipping2::

OM again asks public for tips in case Castro

The Public Prosecutor (OM) is considering again the people asking for tips in the murder of the journalist was shot dead late last year Poentje Castro. Research continues unabated because, according to Chief Peter Blanken.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639668719&sk=wall

From Poentje Castro's facebook wall:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/195623_1680186911_970360_q.jpg)   Tromp Maria

To whom this may concern:
YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CANNOT HIDE. NOT FOR LONG AND CERTAINLY NOT FOREVER. JUSTICE FOR POENTJE CASTRO!!
June 16 at 11:53pm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 01:59:32 PM
http://www.facebook.com/tromp3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07172011_VicenzoTromp_MariaTrompFBprofilePic.jpg)

I wish this family could get answers too, it's so sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 03:18:02 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34263-victima-di-accidente-ayera-nochi-a-fayece.html

Papiamentu translation:

victima of accidente yesterday evening owing to fayece (die)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli17.Henry_Enrique_Silva_Ortiz.jpg)

sunday, 17 july 2011 12:58

after cu car owing to strike they on caminda for 11:10pm, the pareha cu one rato first owing to cay for of brommer on the caminda of solito owing to stay gravemente injury. one of two car owing to happen trapa the madam also after. but at arrival at hospital, after of much work y intervencion medico, he henry enrique silva ortiz (36 aña), naci at venezuela y live at santa martha 17 (sta. cruz), owing to fayece. have to menciona cu the lady envolvi in the accidente regrettable here keto bay is in cuido intensivo at hospital but of acuerdo cu informacion policial, cu the lady is recuperando. 
::snipping2::
during cu the person man will owing to bay help the person muher on caminda, the pickup numera a-4665 owing to happen strike all two y injury they gravemente. apparently will have one of three vehiculo envolvi in the accidente here cu, according testigonan, cu is tell cu after of this one van will have to owing to happen on the lady y follow core without slow down. the chauffeur of the pickup owing to stay deteni for investigacion already cu the was smell alcohol.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 17, 2011, 03:41:54 PM
ty txmom for the update on Fabienne...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 09:57:49 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34263-victima-di-accidente-ayera-nochi-a-fayece.html

Papiamentu translation:

victima of accidente yesterday evening owing to fayece (die)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli17.Henry_Enrique_Silva_Ortiz.jpg)

sunday, 17 july 2011 12:58

after cu car owing to strike they on caminda for 11:10pm, the pareha cu one rato first owing to cay for of brommer on the caminda of solito owing to stay gravemente injury. one of two car owing to happen trapa the madam also after. but at arrival at hospital, after of much work y intervencion medico, he henry enrique silva ortiz (36 aña), naci at venezuela y live at santa martha 17 (sta. cruz), owing to fayece. have to menciona cu the lady envolvi in the accidente regrettable here keto bay is in cuido intensivo at hospital but of acuerdo cu informacion policial, cu the lady is recuperando. 
::snipping2::
during cu the person man will owing to bay help the person muher on caminda, the pickup numera a-4665 owing to happen strike all two y injury they gravemente. apparently will have one of three vehiculo envolvi in the accidente here cu, according testigonan, cu is tell cu after of this one van will have to owing to happen on the lady y follow core without slow down. the chauffeur of the pickup owing to stay deteni for investigacion already cu the was smell alcohol.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34276-luis-tromp-e-chofer-burachi-den-accidente-fatal-a-keda-sera.html

Papiamentu translation:

luis tromp the chofer sober in accidente fateful owing to stay close

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli17.Luis_Tromp.JPG)

sunday, 17 july 2011 15:56

he luis beltran tromp of 51 year today is close pendiente investigacion of one accidente cu the self not owing to ocasiona. so self for his culpa one victima in the accidente owing to fayece. thing today owing to colga luis tromp is his coremento bao influencia of alcohol. the person here that is work at one compania of construccion was mirando futbol in one bar at beach.

night algo first cu the accidente past owing to lever his pickup for go cas. at caminda the not owing to pay tino cu have person throw on caminda y owing to happen on they. police is place axtra atencion because in the caso here do you have to is one chofer at tino 100% hour are you on caminda behind stuur. have one ley where cualkier chofer envolvi in accidente fateful y is bao influencia is go close at once. as do you have culpa or not have culpa the ley is count ; same. after of was close tanto hour for drunkenness now luis beltran tromp owing to stay close for envolvimento in one accidente fateful coriendo car bao influencia. the not owing to pay tino on caminda y kizas his drunkenness owing to stroba for her is conciente y evita his envolvimento in the accidente.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 17, 2011, 09:58:42 PM
ty txmom for the update on Fabienne...

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 01:23:44 AM
Couple of articles with Arien de Bie's wife, Flora.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34296-sra-flora-de-bie-groeneveldt-proyecto-renovacion-maris-stella-cla-pa-cuminza.html

Papiamentu translation:

sra. flora de bie- groeneveldt: proyecto renovacion maris stella cla for cuminza!

sunday, 17 july 2011 20:43

day 1 of september venidero sra. flora de bie-groeneveldt is become manager of cas maris stella, at savaneta, where the have 20 year end is dunando servicio. ela achieve visit of ministro of asunto social sra. michelle hooyboer- winklaar tocante one proyecto of renovacion, cu is cla for cuminza.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli17.michelle.michelle013.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34297-ministro-asunto-social-fda-lo-inverti-4-miyon-florin-pa-renovacion-cas-maris-stella.html

ministro asunto social: fda will inverti 4 miyon guilder for renovacion of maris stella

sunday, 17 july 2011 21:16

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli17.michelle.michelle002.JPG)

(Several more pictures at the link)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 01:38:54 AM
Hadn't seen it spelled like that before...  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002452107158&sk=info

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Ariean%20de%20Bie/07172011_FacebookProfileAhrdeBie.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/jan.tenhave

 ::snipping2::

Employers   

Holland America Line with Ron van Vliet and 15 others
Culinary Operations Manager · Oct 2007 to present

Divi Resorts & Alhambra Casino with Tabitha Fecunda and 10 others
F&B Mgr / Casino Property Mgr / Corporate F&B Controller / Purchase Mgr · Sep 1997 to Sep 2007

Calloway Airline Catering Services with Ahr de Bie
Executive Chef · Sep 1989 to Sep 1994 · Oranjestad, Aruba


Golden Tulip Hotels, Inns and Resorts with Karel Leemkuil and 6 others
Production Chef · Jan 1987 to Sep 1989 · Oranjestad, Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 18, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
Thinking of Natalee and Stephany  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on July 18, 2011, 02:29:36 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 02:37:07 AM
http://zoomaruba.com/

Confession Nightclub 9 July 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/07092011_ConfessionsClub1.jpg)

http://fabiedushi.waarbenjij.nu/?page=message&id=3933002

Google translation:

Travelogue

Fabienne, July 9, 2011    Aruba , Sunshine Apartments 33 °   

Start your beach day with open bar!

 Dushies Hello! I take an update after the arrival of Mandy. On Friday she was finally at 19.30 (after several hours delay in the Netherlands and Curacao) at the airport of Aruba Dushi Tera! We were both still hungry, so we put the suitcase in the apartment and at Moomba! Just enjoy the chill feet in the sand and a tasty burger and fries eaten. As we walk back, of course, Angelo bump that fun with us on the Amstel Bright is. But since it was a long day for Mandy we're not too late. The next morning wake up on time and delicious breakfast yet so well together. Nice bikini and hop to the beach of course! Time to get a tan! proposed to my lovely Marriott beach boys, Javan, the most craziest of the bunch. Edison, who took us to the sun beds ready. Jose, who kept us all day and drink with Aloe. Wapa, what we were on the boat during a tube ride in Chinese, as well as between past a friend of Wapa what it friends always open bar on the catamaran and thus went out with a good rum coke, solar boat rides we do more obviously! After boat ride back on the beach arrived, they prepared a wedding. This is common in the Marriott, and is also very romantic to get married at sunset ... so mom and dad, you know what I want wedding now! hihi ... Mandy thought it was a great day and a day after Aruba already addicted! Can not be otherwise! To be a good shower and then on to South Beach. Nice out to dinner at La Scala, after at around 23.00 to Confession because there's White Party tonight! So stay tuned and I will give an update Probably tomorrow! Ate oro! Sunchi

 ::MonkeyWink::   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 02:41:55 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
The Downward Spiral

DR. DREW
Casey Anthony Trial Over but Drama Continues
Aired July 14, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

DREW PINSKY:  ... Do you think Casey is like Joran and that she may repeat the behaviors of the past? What do you think?

BETH HOLLOWAY: What I`ve seen with Joran is, even though, they don`t feel as if they`re being held accountable or responsible for their actions, they tend to always go into a downward spiral. And when I think of Casey, I cannot help see some similarities between Casey and Joran, and that, they`re starving for attention.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/14/ddhln.01.html



Baez has known for three years that Casey was a winning lottery ticket and ... he was determined to keep that winning lottery ticket to himself until a time it could be redeemed.  While Casey was detained Baez was able to convince his client that he was her ONLY advocate and ... all other contact ... even contact with her parents ... must not happen.

However ... Casey is no longer detained and ... it is only a matter of time before a defiant Casey makes the decision to seek her own potential fortune by breaking loose from the control of her self-serving attorney and ... again embarking down deceptive roads of the past.

Something akin to Joran van der Sloot ... another pathological liar who was never taught the definition of "accountability".

IMO

++++++

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry. Joran said he lied to us. Did Joran lie to us?  And if so, when? When he said he sold Natalee or eight hours later, when he said it was not true? Joran's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, joins us next.

<snipped>

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN'S FORMER ATTORNEY: OK. So whatever I have - I mean, an email from one of your producers, Steph Watts, you know, to Joran, talking about the Western Union transaction. Greta, look --

VAN SUSTEREN: That is how the money is transferred. There's no secret. There's no secret.

TACOPINA: You paid him for a tape that he made and wound up getting an hour interview with him. And so be it, Greta. Great TV, great ratings- -

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have a problem with that?

TACOPINA: Yes, I do have a problem with it, Greta, because if you offered Joran $10,000 tomorrow and ask him to tell you a fifth story, he would do it.

Clearly, he's a sick kid. Clearly, I have nothing to say in defense of his actions, Greta. OK?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2011, 04:38:34 PM
JakeSchalmo Schalmo Productions
Yes its true, I have offered #CaseyAnthony 5million for the first interview, I believe she deserves a fair life and future,waiting for reply
19 minutes ago
Schalmo Productions
JakeSchalmo Schalmo Productions
@RobinMeade Have you seen my offer I made to Casey Anthony?
1 hour ago http://twitter.com/#!/JakeSchalmo (http://twitter.com/#!/JakeSchalmo)

Jake Schalmo
Owner at Schalmo Productions Jan 2011 to present
Went to LIFESKILLS COLUMBUS NORTH
Lives in Columbus, Ohio
From Shreve, Ohio

http://www.facebook.com/jake.schalmo
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://yfrog.com/kicltep

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kccheck.jpg)

Casey Anthony could be afforded millions for book/movie deals ... exclusive interviews but ... it will all be for naught.

Prior to fleeing Aruba for Peru ... Joran van der Sloot had extorted $25,000 from Natalee Holloway's mother.  While on the run in Chile following the murder of Stephany Flores  .. Joran emailed a friend requesting funds that would allow him to purchase a plane ticket back to Aruba/Holland.

++++++

"A fool and his money are soon parted"
Thomas Tusser

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
van der Sloot broke and desperate when he met Flores
Published: 5/29 1:16 pm
Updated: 5/31 8:49 am


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) - Joran Van der Sloot was broke and desperate in a hotel room he couldn’t pay for. His luck had run out at a nearby casino. And then he met a young woman who had just cashed in.

Van der Sloot spent almost an hour on the phone with a Dutch friend on May 28, 2010….two days before he met and killed Stephany Flores.

Van der Sloot told his friend he was broke and couldn’t pay his hotel tab at Lima’s TAC hotel where he had been for five days playing in a poker tournament. The call to Stan Pluijmen was later listened to by Dutch police.

<snipped>

The call ended with van der Sloot asking Pluijmen to send him money saying his own mother and brother had turned him down saying all he’d do with it was play and lose at poker.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-broke-and-desperate-when-he-met/iRvIZFLM0ESRECHhQp3ERA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2011, 05:50:50 PM
DR. DREW
Aired July 14, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

PINSKY: ... What do we, as a public, do with this story that we`ve been so taken by?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I mean, when you think about it, I mean, every tragic event brings about the need for education and change. And it`s unfortunate that a mother could go 31 days without letting anyone know that her daughter was missing. But I mean, it happens time and time again. A horrific event brings about the need for education or change, and that is exactly what is coming out of Caylee`s murder.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/14/ddhln.01.html


"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway - May, 2010


The Caylee Anthony Case

New York lawmakers preparing to introduce 'Caylee's Law'
7/18/2011


ALBANY, N.Y., July 18 (Reuters) - Citing the recent acquittal of Casey Anthony, some New York state lawmakers want to make it a felony to fail to report a missing or dead child, but many legal experts say the proposal is unnecessary and could compound family court proceedings.

The proposal, dubbed "Caylee's Law" after Anthony's 2-year-old daughter, who was found dead in 2008 after Anthony failed to report her missing for 31 days, would make it a class E felony to go more than 72 hours without notifying authorities of a missing child and 24 hours without reporting a death. Similar proposals have been announced in at least two dozen other states.

The bill has not yet been formally introduced in New York, but lawmakers who have announced their intention to propose the measure said it would give prosecutors an additional tool in exceptional cases.

<snipped>

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2011/07_-_July/New_York_lawmakers_preparing_to_introduce__Caylee_s_Law_/


The Natalee Holloway Case

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 06:05:43 PM
http://www.nu.nl/internet/2566412/politie-vroeg-hyvesberichten-joran-van-sloot.html

Google translation:

"Police asked to Facebook messages Joran van der Sloot"

Last update: July 17, 2011 7:25 p.m. Info

AMSTERDAM - Dutch police have private messages on Facebook from Joran van der Sloot requested.

Photo: ANP

That co-founder Raymond writes in his book Spanjar From 3 to 10,000,000 friends .

The book does Spanjar some revelations about the rise and sales of the social network.
Spanjar writes inter alia, that shortly after the murder of Natalee Holloway while the suspect Joran van der Sloot Joran Hyves profile is taken offline.

Private Messages
Normally profiles removed only by request, for example from parents or the person himself. In this case, Facebook was not a request, but the page still removed because of threats and abusive comments to Joran.

After the profile was taken offline, the Dutch police asked Facebook to private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Whether the messages relevant information was not known. Facebook has given up because the messages do so in such a situation is required.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 06:23:11 PM
I'm bringing the original and translation of this article over because I think they may actually be referring to Joran's "Hyves" account.  Facebook is also referenced later in the article but only in reference to it and Myspace's competition to Hyves.

Hope that makes sense.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://digitallife.nl/internet/25248-hyves-speelde-priveberichten-joran-van-der-sloot-door-aan-politie.html

Hyves speelde privéberichten Joran van der Sloot door aan politie
Door: Elmar Rekers | 18 juli 2011

De Nederlandse politie heeft bij Hyves aangeklopt voor de privéberichten van Joran van der Sloot. Medeoprichter Raymond Spanjar doet de onthulling in zijn boek 'Van 3 naar 10.000.000 vrienden'.

Spanjar laat weten dat Hyves op eigen initiatief het profiel van Joran van der Sloot had verwijderd. Dit omdat er vlak na de verdwijning van Nathalee Holloway, in mei 2005, bedreigingen richting de toen al verdachte Van der Sloot werden geuit.

Het duurde vervolgens niet lang voordat de politie bij Spanjar aanklopte voor inzage in de privéberichten van Joran. De medeoprichter van het sociale netwerk laat weten dat deze zijn afgestaan maar zegt niet of er ook belangrijke informatie in de berichten stond.

 ::snipping2::

Google translation:

Hyves played private message to Joran by police

By: Elmar Rekers | July 18, 2011

The Dutch police have knocked on Facebook for private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Founder Raymond Spanjar makes the revelation in his book "From 3 to 10,000,000 friends.

Spanjar Facebook has announced that on its own initiative, the profile of Joran van der Sloot had been removed. This is because just after the disappearance of Holloway Nathalee in May 2005, threats to the already suspicious van der Sloot were made.

It then took not long before the police knocked Spanjar for access to the private messages of Joran. The co-founder of the social network has announced that they have been abandoned but does not say whether there was important information in the messages.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 06:34:02 PM
This is the book that is referenced in the article...

http://www.boekenwarenhuis.nl/boek/hyves-r-spanjar

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.boekenwarenhuis.nl/images/65/b/9789048810765.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 07:31:37 PM
Some of this is in Dutch, but the comments from the authors of the book are in English...chilling imo.

Poor Stephany!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears::

Why they had John van den Heuval there also...I don't know...he's had plenty of air time for his book that came out in October of last year!  But he even seemed to get the last word.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran Van Der Sloot in EenVandaag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooaCIvUntyE

Google translation:

Uploaded by TheJoranvdsloot on July 18, 2011

Joran van der Sloot has Stephany Flores deliberately killed her and would probably have been tortured.

This American journalists writing Pulitzer Lisa Thompson and Cole in their recently published book, Portrait of a Monster.

Both reporters spent weeks by the Peruvian police and famlie Flores.

After hours of self-questioning by the police if they see they say all the documents in this notorious case.

The result is a book with dozens of new details. Tonight in the broadcast interview with two journalists.

Callan is the Peruvian chief investigator of the homicide. He has a 400 pages thick file with all the facts and findings on the murder of Stephany.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ooaCIvUntyE?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0


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Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Portraitofamonster#p/u

There are four videos here, two from Cole Thompson's and Lisa Pulitzer's research trip to Peru...one of the Atlantic City Casino and surrounding area and another of the Hotel Tac and surrounding area; the other two are recent interviews they've done for Fox and MSNBC promoting the book.


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Post by: Kermit on July 18, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
http://www.nu.nl/internet/2566412/politie-vroeg-hyvesberichten-joran-van-sloot.html

Google translation:

"Police asked to Facebook messages Joran van der Sloot"

Last update: July 17, 2011 7:25 p.m. Info

AMSTERDAM - Dutch police have private messages on Facebook from Joran van der Sloot requested.

Photo: ANP

That co-founder Raymond writes in his book Spanjar From 3 to 10,000,000 friends .

The book does Spanjar some revelations about the rise and sales of the social network.
Spanjar writes inter alia, that shortly after the murder of Natalee Holloway while the suspect Joran van der Sloot Joran Hyves profile is taken offline.

Private Messages
Normally profiles removed only by request, for example from parents or the person himself. In this case, Facebook was not a request, but the page still removed because of threats and abusive comments to Joran.

After the profile was taken offline, the Dutch police asked Facebook to private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Whether the messages relevant information was not known. Facebook has given up because the messages do so in such a situation is required.
 ::snipping2::


The Policia weren't very astute it seems. Freebirds were in Joran's facebook with him.

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1443/joranfbmay31andmay29.jpg)
JORANS FACEBOOK MAY 29/31


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Post by: grace-land on July 18, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Texasmom, I enjoyed your comments after you translated the articles above.  Here's some information about Hyves from 2009--

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2009/tc2009017_093945.htm

Facebook, Meet the Locals
U.S. social networking sites are eager to expand overseas, but they'll have to contend with homegrown competitors in key markets
Raymond Spanjar co-founded Hyves, the dominant social networking site of the Netherlands
By Douglas MacMillan

 ::snipping2::

Hyves (its name being a play on the English word "beehives") says it has signed up 7 million Dutch residents, or almost half of the country's population of 16 million, since launching in 2004. On the site, users post photos and videos, customize their personal profiles, and connect with neighbors in nearby provinces. One of the most popular users is Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who boasts about 150,000 friends and sometimes invites people he meets on the site for a visit to his presidential office.

"The local tone of voice of our Web site is very important," says Hyves co-founder Raymond Spanjar. "Both MySpace and Facebook have been translated into Dutch, but as is usually the case, the translation is rather clinical and doesn't really compare." For example, Facebook's "Wall" feature, a personal guestbook where friends can leave comments, in Dutch is called a "prikboard," the literal translation for bulletin board. By contrast, Hyves created an original name, the "krabbel," for its comparable feature. "It is now a very popular word, and might even be added to the Dutch dictionary," Spanjar says.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on July 18, 2011, 11:27:57 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::




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Post by: Nut44x4 on July 19, 2011, 08:07:41 AM
awwwwwwwwwwww.........my fav!


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Post by: grace-land on July 19, 2011, 02:58:29 PM
Video in English

http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloot-monster

Joran van der Sloot: "The Monster"
Published on : 19 July 2011 - 1:49pm

New revelations have emerged about a murder in Peru last year, allegedly committed by Dutchman Joran van der Sloot. He reportedly killed Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. According to a new book, "Portrait of a Monster", van der Sloot also allegedly severely tortured Stephany Flores.

Two New York crime reporters spent months in Peru investigating the murder of Ms Flores. They also had unprecedented access to van der Sloot's police file. They write that he didn't kill her in the heat of passion but over several hours. Their conclusion is clear: Joran van der Sloot is a monster.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 19, 2011, 03:10:27 PM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2011, 05:31:21 PM
Thanks grace-land!    ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2011, 05:34:43 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34352-alarma-falso-na-cas-di-nel-oduber.html

Papiamentu translation:

alarma false at home of nel oduber

tuesday, 19 july 2011 14:01

at central of ambulance owing to enter one call alrededor of 1or of afternoon in cual is ask asistencia urgente for cas of ex first minister nel oduber situa in nayostraat at ponton. the call owing to relata cu have one action serious andando in the cas y cu have 3 person injury. owing to send 2 ambulance y patrol of police for her sitio, but at arrival owing to constata cu was one alarma false!

bisiñanan owing to spanta hour cu ambulance owing to arrive the cas under sirena, same is patrol of police. pio still hour cu battalion of acolyte of prensa owing to aglomera fast residencia of we ex first mandatario, buscando informacion on kico will can is pasando eyden. for of neighbour we owing to compronde cu they not owing to hear nothing odd y cu all cos is normal. child of the actual leader of mep owing to leave pafo y owing to splica autoridad present abroad of they residencia cu all cos is below ; control inside y cu not have nothing tumando luga. police owing to disculpa for her inconvenencia y owing to follow they patrol.

mature is cu this is one "joke" of very bad taste because tanto ambulance because; police owing to arrive cu maximo urgencia at home of one ex mandatario, precisamente in the trafico pisa of afternoon, treciendo trafico at danger, siendo cu not had nothing sosodiendo at the cas. bale la pena investiga now is that owing to calling y cu what intencion is haci one jest so!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2011, 05:49:02 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34346-homber-a-bebe-clorox.html

Papiamentu translation:

man owing to drink clorox

tuesday, 19 july 2011 11:42

monday night alrededor of 11or polisnan owing to bay atende cu one man at weg kust batterij cu had intencion of comete suicidio, by of drink clorox. at instant cu past owing to notice arrival of police y personal of ambulance, he owing to become aggressive y onbeschoft. owing to deal at transport’e for hospital for ricibi tratamento medico, but past owing to deny of all form. because; cu past owing to become fresco contra all present, owing to opta for detene y transport’e for keep of police at san nicolaas for her can calma his self.



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Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2011, 06:48:57 PM
Video in English

http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloot-monster

Joran van der Sloot: "The Monster"
Published on : 19 July 2011 - 1:49pm

New revelations have emerged about a murder in Peru last year, allegedly committed by Dutchman Joran van der Sloot. He reportedly killed Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. According to a new book, "Portrait of a Monster", van der Sloot also allegedly severely tortured Stephany Flores.

Two New York crime reporters spent months in Peru investigating the murder of Ms Flores. They also had unprecedented access to van der Sloot's police file. They write that he didn't kill her in the heat of passion but over several hours. Their conclusion is clear: Joran van der Sloot is a monster.

 ::snipping2::


so he tortured her for hours - very typical of a psychopath who started his reign of terror by torturing animals. Anita deserves the same treatment IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: nonesuche on July 19, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
http://www.nu.nl/internet/2566412/politie-vroeg-hyvesberichten-joran-van-sloot.html

Google translation:

"Police asked to Facebook messages Joran van der Sloot"

Last update: July 17, 2011 7:25 p.m. Info

AMSTERDAM - Dutch police have private messages on Facebook from Joran van der Sloot requested.

Photo: ANP

That co-founder Raymond writes in his book Spanjar From 3 to 10,000,000 friends .

The book does Spanjar some revelations about the rise and sales of the social network.
Spanjar writes inter alia, that shortly after the murder of Natalee Holloway while the suspect Joran van der Sloot Joran Hyves profile is taken offline.

Private Messages
Normally profiles removed only by request, for example from parents or the person himself. In this case, Facebook was not a request, but the page still removed because of threats and abusive comments to Joran.

After the profile was taken offline, the Dutch police asked Facebook to private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Whether the messages relevant information was not known. Facebook has given up because the messages do so in such a situation is required.
 ::snipping2::


The Policia weren't very astute it seems. Freebirds were in Joran's facebook with him.

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1443/joranfbmay31andmay29.jpg)
JORANS FACEBOOK MAY 29/31

well said - shame they didn't bother to just track Renho's FB activities along with the motley aruba crew - what was the name of that awful guy, wasn't it Tito? Subpoena all of it.........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2011, 09:02:06 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6135/5956415606_1dfbe452f4.jpg)

Click on the link below NOW!


http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2011, 10:49:14 PM
I bet Dana's show was good, hate I missed it...I'll have to listen to the podcast!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2011, 10:51:24 PM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

 ::snipping2::


I've been watching...no Cole Thompson yet...Nancy Grace talking about the Casey Anthony, Jesse Grund and now a couple talking about "praying the gay away".  I'm about to give up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 19, 2011, 10:52:08 PM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

 ::snipping2::


I've been watching...no Cole Thompson yet...Nancy Grace talking about the Casey Anthony, Jesse Grund and now a couple talking about "praying the gay away".  I'm about to give up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

edit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 19, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

 ::snipping2::


I've been watching...no Cole Thompson yet...Nancy Grace talking about the Casey Anthony, Jesse Grund and now a couple talking about "praying the gay away".  I'm about to give up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

edit

I was watching, too--well, bits and pieces of it; my family doesn't like Joy.  They were watching the FIFA soccer game, and I had to fight them for the TV remote!  (My team lost--Peru.  ::MonkeyWaa:: )  I'll check again to see when they have rescheduled them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2011, 01:42:26 AM
http://zoomaruba.com/

Confession Nightclub 9 July 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/07092011_ConfessionsClub1.jpg)

If anyone else wondered who the other guys are in this picture with Valentijn and Samantha...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=787255050
Dennis Gadia

http://www.facebook.com/damiano.gaetano
Damiano Gaetano

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=40702306&sk=info
Stefano Gaetano
aka DJ Funsize   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2011, 01:47:54 AM
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

 ::snipping2::


I've been watching...no Cole Thompson yet...Nancy Grace talking about the Casey Anthony, Jesse Grund and now a couple talking about "praying the gay away".  I'm about to give up!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

edit

I was watching, too--well, bits and pieces of it; my family doesn't like Joy.  They were watching the FIFA soccer game, and I had to fight them for the TV remote!  (My team lost--Peru.  ::MonkeyWaa:: )  I'll check again to see when they have rescheduled them.


I can feel your pain...my son was watching something else  and I convinced him to let me watch JUST until that part was over (I can't remember exactly what the comment was that he made about Joy but it wasn't complimentary) ...it wasn't easy but he agreed. 

Kept waiting for the segment that never happened.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Oh well...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2011, 02:41:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::




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Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2011, 03:09:37 PM
WAS THE WRITING ON THE WALL?

The injustices against the persons of Caylee Anthony and Natalee Holloway did not happen out of vacuum.  Was the writing on the wall?  Did the parents of the former suspects abet the tragic outcomes in both cases?

+++++++

The Caylee Anthony Case

TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF LEE ANTHONY
INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL EDWARDS
CASE NUMBER – 08-074777
JULY 29, 2008


LA: So every time my mother would go outside I’d try to ask something to my sister that maybe she wouldn’t feel comfortable saying in front of my mom. You know, asking what’s, you know, “What’s going on? You know what’s the deal?” And she still maintained everything, but she would say, uhm, that’s when she opened up to me and said, uhm, uhm, “Mom has uhm, thrown it in my face many times before that I’m an unfit mother and you know, maybe she’s right and maybe I am.” She offered up to me for the first time that uhm, my mother has referred, said to my sister that uhm, even though Caylee’s been the best thing and the best mistake that she was indeed a mistake. That she was Casey’s mistake. Uhm…

EE: Now Casey’s telling you that Mom said this to her?

LA: To Casey, yes.

<snipped>

LA: Yes. She did uh, when it was uhm, when I kept saying, “Well I don’t get it. What’s in it for you? Why are you letting, you know, the police get involved with this? The, this seems, this doesn’t make any sense to me.” She’s like, “Well maybe this should have been done a long time ago. I’ve stolen money from Mom. I’ve been a bad daughter.” Uhm, “You know I’ve been,” she said, “I’ve stolen money from you.  You know I’ve untrustworthy, you know.” And she goes, “And maybe I have been a, a, a, you know, a bad, a mother, a daughter and sister.” And she said, uhm, “You know so this should have been done along time ago.”

<snipped>

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/lanthony072908.pdf

http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/lee%20anthony.pdf

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308leeanthony/indexGallery.htm


Casey Anthony trial: George Anthony's suicide note
7:04 p.m. CDT, June 30, 2011


<snipped>

I blame myself for her being gone! You (Cindy) know for months, as a matter of fact for a year or so I brought stuff up, only to be told not to be negative.

<snipped>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-casey-anthony-george-anthony-suicd20110630,0,6804301.story


TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF JESSE AARON GRUND
INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL MELICH
CASE NUMBER - 08-69208
SEPTEMBER 9, 2008


<snipped>
 
JG: Her dad pulled me aside and said, "Look, I don't know what's going on between the two of you, but you're a really good guy Jesse and you've got a lot going for you. And you treat her really well and you treat my granddaughter extremely well. But you don't need to be around Casey because she has some problems that we need to get her help for."

<snipped>

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/Grund,%20Jesse.03.090808.pdf

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/jgrund072308.pdf

http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/jesse%20grund%20july%2023.pdf


Cindy Anthony - Casey Anthony's Mother
Casey Anthony's MySpace Account
July 4, 2008


Subject: My Caylee is missing
Current mood: Distraught

"She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart.  The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?"


The Natalee Holloway Case

January 16, 2006

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


<snipped>

11. Joran van der Sloot is not stranger to sexual assault on woment.

12.  On at least three occasions prior to May, 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of "date rape" perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.

13.  Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey on young female tourists, especially blondes.

14 Joran’s proclivities, at a young age, were known to both of his parents, Paulus Van der Sloot and wife, Anita.

15. As recently as May 2005, Joran was receiving psychological counselling for his problems.

<snipped>

81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

<snipped>

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


The Abrams Report' for February 24
updated 2/27/2006 10:45:52 AM ET

 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.  We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 147:  The mission of meeting people and handing out the Ecclesiastes prayer cards and the beautiful colourful bracelets gives me a reason to get up and keep going.  FOX anchor Greta Van Susteren wants to come along, as many of the network reps have done over the past few weeks.  We’re going to the other end of the island today, near the van der Sloot neighbourhood, to ask for information.  And help.

As I reach to put a prayer card into the van der Sloot mailbox, I see someone on the side of the house and call out, “Anybody home?  Hello! You’ve go company! Knock, knock!  Anybody home?”

A man is behind the shrubs against the house.  “I see you there in the bushes.”  He freezes.  “I’m Natalee’s mom.  I just want to give you a prayer card.”

Paulus van der Sloot has to be coaxed out of the bushes like a dog in trouble.  He appears from behind the shrubs and comes to the gate.  I hand him one of Natalee’s prayer cards over the fence.

Surprisingly, he says, “Come in, please.  Stop the cameras, okay?  Stop the cameras.”

Greta and I lock eyes for a moment, and with no hint of hesitation on her part we go inside.  Through the front door we make our way across the tile floor, passing through a nicely decorated living room, under an archway, to an enclosed back-porch area.  We step down to a table and chairs.  Paulus’s wife, Joran’s mother Anita, is here.  There’s no glass in the multiple window openings in this room, just wooden slats.  And the air moves comfortably through the area.  The wind blows hard all the time in Aruba, and it’s breezy in here, well ventilated.  Paulus sits closest to the air flow.  I sit across from him, in close proximity.  Anita is on my left.  Greta is next to Paulus, her body turned toward him.

Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is.  How smart he is.  I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess.  And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently.  How he exhibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother.  How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases.  After about thirty minutes she concludes by telling us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his defiant behaviour.

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2011, 03:37:55 PM
Continued:

WAS THE WRITING ON THE WALL

The Natalee Holloway Case

Disappearance
Missing White Female
January 2, 2006


Page 9:  Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.. If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9
 
 
Jossy Mansur - Editor of Aruban Publication "Dairio".
The Dana Pletzer Show
July 23, 2007

 
PLETZER: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

MANSUR:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.
 
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/
 
 
'Scarborough Country'
July 19, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, FATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  The last word was, you got have to understand, this is my son, and I (Paulus) will do anything for my son.  And with that, you know, my confidence level was not very high with him.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8627625/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2011, 05:50:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34402-na-e-international-school-of-aruba-aby-sneek-smith-a-ricibi-e-premio-di-headmasters-pa-excelencia-academico-.html

Papiamentu translation:

at the international school or aruba aby sneek-smith owing to ricibi the premium of headmaster’s for excelencia academico

wednesday, 20 july 2011 17:02

aby sneek-smith recientemente owing to gradua of the international school or aruba y owing to wordo reconoci for excelencia academico in ap english, chemistry y calculus, haciendo so cu past owing to ricibi the premium general of headmasters for excelencia academico, for her class of 2011.

while cu past owing to study at scol aby was one acolyte of the national honor society y owing to serve because; the chairman of his class at 2010. the is one of the some graduadonan of hoist cu owing to cuminsa they educacion at the scol for of kleuterschool end, y owing to completa his carera academico without interumpcion, graduando because; one senior. aby is preparando for study at the florida institute or technology at melbourne florida, on one beca academico of 50%. the will is studiando ingenieria chemico cu one enfoke on energy renovabel, for so the can cuminsa one carera cu one of the companianan chemico big, as dow y/of dupont, where the have planea for serve because; one stagiaire during his of two semester.

aby can being see on the portret is ricibi his certificado of excelencia academico, acompaña for first minister of aruba, mike eman, that was the orador principal of the night, y also was encarga cu the honor of reconoce the studiantenan estelar, y the agent of the scol, in the hyatt regency ballroom, during the celebracion of graduacion at end of the year escolar.aby’s his padrastro rob smith of the radisson aruba resort casino & spa y his wife diana, aby his mother y three brother women, is proud of aby his logronan y his motivacion for sobresali.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/07202011_AbySneekSmith_ISA_24ora-1.jpg)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/spanish/padrastro

padrastro masculine noun
Translation of PADRASTRO

1
: stepfather
2
: hangnail   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 20, 2011, 06:02:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34379-informacion-persistente-ta-mustra-cu-balanan-usa-den-tiramento-na-pavia-parce-ta-similar-na-esnan-cu-a-mata-poentje-castro.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.PERSONAHE.Peter_Blanken01.JPG)

is investigando same ball employ in caso of blauw owing to employ cu poentje

tuesday, 19 july 2011 22:01

in interview cu peter blanken owing to puntre on the caso of poentje castro. owing to ask about the fiscal parent where the caso here is now here? mr peter blanken fiscal parent owing to show cu have to atende cu the caso here cu is being considera uno much earnest. while cu not have indicacion on the investigacion not can haci mucho. they have to believe in the caso for follow in one direccion.

owing to ask about fiscal parent peter blanken if they owing to succeed achieve algo on the material cu owing to go the netherlands among another the blackberry. in the contenido was dificil for comenta mirando cu esey can stroba the investigacion. only is confirma cu the blackberry of poentje castro owing to go the netherlands. in the combersacion cu fiscal parent owing to mustre cu have informacion persistente cu the balanan throw on the victima of blauw at pavia owing to being send the netherlands. the informacion also cu owing to enter was cu the balanan here seems owing to being compara cu the balanan using on poentje castro. apparently this is same type of balanan. owing to ask about mr peter blanken if this can is berdad? according the fiscal parent the do not confirma but niether desmenti esaki… the investigacion is andando y now dificilmente can comenta for evita cualkier speculacion…e is respeta prensa his trabao but now here is dificil for comenta. at bienestar of the caso is preferable for evita cierto comentarionan. the fiscal parent owing to achieve the question here because; surprise y pesey past not owing to achieve chens of prepara his contesta. the form cu fiscal owing to contesta without desmenti is indica cu the fountain cu owing to give we the informacion here is good at height of thing is pasando. for of much time was being talk cu poentje castro not can owing to being kill for motibo of reglamento of cuenta. more bien is believe cu the matamento here is one crimen pasional. esnan cu know have contacto cu blauw seems owing to comenta cu blauw is much interesa on the situation of chaldira. the wanted know if chaldira is talk. the cosnan here can is one indicacion cu recherché have more caminda for march cu not only the tiramento on the casa of blauw.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
A VORTEX OF LIES

DR. DREW
Beth Holloway: The Casey, Joran Lies
Aired June 23, 2011 - 21:00:00


<snipped? 

PINSKY: You believe that Van Der Sloot and Casey Anthony have similar modus operandi. Tell us about that.

BETH HOLLOWAY:  I do. Of course, both of them had the litany of lies -- you know, here, from both of them. Something that I think is even more so striking is this mode of operation from the two. From Joran come started out the same way. Oh, I left her at the beach. She`s fine. No involvement. She`s alive, OK? Casey started out the same way, left her with the nanny, she`s fine.

Then as things began to get a little warmer and more uncomfortable, then he changed it to, well, it was an accident, something tragic happened, but, you know, it was an accident. Same thing kind of with Casey. Well, it was an accident. Now, they`ve changed them from an alive Natalee and Caylee to a deceased Natalee and Caylee.

PINSKY: Would he talk about her in the present tense, the past tense and flip back and forth the way Casey does?

HOLLOWAY: Not so much as that, but it`s their whole mode of operation of how they start them out alive.

PINSKY: Yes.

HOLLOWAY: And then, now, they both tend to be leading towards now they`ve got them both deceased

<snipped>
 
HOLLOWAY: Once the lies begin, I call it a vortex of lies.

PINSKY: Yes.

HOLLOWAY: And then, if anybody gets close to the vortex, they get sucked in or the perpetrators begin to throw people into the vortex. Whether it`s their parents, whether it`s --
 
<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/23/ddhln.01.html
 
 
The Natalee Holloway Case

THE SELLING OF NATALEE
 
Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee.

<snipped> 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html


Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: You heard Joran van der Sloot say on tape that he sold Natalee Holloway and that he told his father  about it. Now, according to Joran, there is a recording of Joran and his father talking about it. Now, we have that recording. You will hear that recording shortly.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


<snipped>
 
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry.  Joran said he lied to us.
 
<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


THE EXTORTION OF BETH HOLLOWAY
 
Deadly Connection?
NBC News
updated 6/11/2010 9:03:58 PM ET


<snipped>

But Kelly says he played along and van der Sloot told him he hid the body on the beach with the help of his father who, the following day, buried the body.

CHRIS HANSEN: He implicated his own father in the disposal of the body?

JOHN KELLY: Along with himself, yeah
 
<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/


Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

"He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody - get the money, then say it's a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution," Kelly said.
 
<snipped> 

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


THE ABOVE GROUND TOMB
 
Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?
April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT


<snipped>

Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father  who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.

<snipped>

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

 
The Caylee Anthony Case

THE ACCIDENTAL DROWNING
 
Casey Murder Trial Brings Tears, Blame And Shame
Posted: 5:18 am EDT May 24, 2011
Updated: 7:29 pm EDT May 24, 2011


Casey cried throughout the opening statements from both the prosecution and the defense on Tuesday. However, Casey was most emotional after lunch when her attorney, Jose Baez, stated to the jurors that Caylee Anthony was never missing, but drowned in her family's pool.
 
"How in the world can a mother wait 30 days to report a child missing? It's insane. Something's just not right about that. The answer is relatively simple. She never was missing. Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, when she drowned in her family's swimming pool," Baez stated.
 
Baez claimed that George Anthony said to Casey after finding Caylee allegedly dead in the pool, "Look what you've done! You're mother will never forgive you! And you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your freaking life!".
 
Casey's attorney said that George covered up Caylee's accidental death.
 
Baez also stated, "On June 16, 2008, after Caylee died, Casey did what she's been doing all her life, or most of it, hiding her pain. She went back to that deep, dark place called denial to pretend as if nothing was wrong."
 
<snipped>
 
http://www.wftv.com/news/28001858/detail.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2011, 12:05:17 AM
http://amigoe.com/english/79514-construction-of-prefab-classes-continues-

‘Construction of prefab classes continues’         

TUESDAY, 19 JULY 2011 13:36

ORANJESTAD — Despite considerable criticism and questions from the own party, the project worth 16.8 million florins for the hire purchase of modular classrooms will continue. At least, that’s what Minister Arthur Dowers (AVP) of Education and Justice said this morning during a press conference.

“It is a good project”, he said after this newspaper reported that the project should have been a public contract because of the high amount involved.

By our reporter

Alex Laclé

However, the Minister is of the opinion that the choice for allocation instead of calling for tenders, lies within the possibilities of the Minister ‘if it is in the interest of Aruba’. According to Dowers, there is also a certain haste with this project because ‘the longer one waits the less is saved this year’. Moreover, after asking round, there supposedly was one other company, which could have supplied this kind of modular construction. “However, we didn’t hear from this company to this day,” says the Minister. He further states this is not the only project. Renovation projects for example in Paradera and St. Cruz are realized without having called for tenders, he says, to eliminate ‘accusations of corruption’. Moreover, Dowers does not preclude the government will use that same modular construction more often in the future for new schools or extra classrooms at school that have reached their maximum capacity.

 ::snipping2::

The Minister rejects the criticism from opposition party MEP on JEM Industrial Services having received the contract. He says he can easily demonstrate that the previous government had concluded contracts with this company in the past for the rent of trailers serving as classroom. He does not follow up on possible tax arrears of the owner of this company. Dowers says he is not aware of this and if it were true then it’s only favorable because this owner could subsequently pay his tax.

Government contracting has been an issue for years. Minister of Finance, Mike de Meza (AVP) recently admitted this still requires regulation – especially procedures for the contracting rules – article 26 of the Government Accounts Act that regulated the financial management and control of the government. This article stipulates when one may deviate from a public and private contract. A study group of the government is now to improve this.



http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=34198

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 MARCH 2005 under serial number 33144.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
JEM INDUSTRIAL SERVICES N.V.

 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   JEM INDUSTRIAL SERVICES N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   14 MARCH 2005
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MANSUR, JOSSY ELIE;
Born in   VENEZUELA, PUERTO CABELLO on 22 JUNE 1962
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   14 MARCH 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET SCHOONMAKEN VAN VERBLIJFPLAATSEN VAN WERKNEMERS VAN DE OLIERAFFINADERIJ ALSMEDE HET LEVEREN VAN MAALTIJDEN AAN DEZE.

Google Dutch translation:

CLEANING WORKERS whereabouts of the oil refinery AND PROVIDE MEALS TO THIS.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2011, 12:18:45 AM
This one makes more sense to me in terms of the work being done.  JMO

http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=30891

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - JE Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 04 March 2003 underscores serialNumber 30088.0 is the company joined with the name:

 
JEM HOLDING NV

 
Business address   SASAKIWEG S / N, WEST ORANGE TOWN
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   JEM HOLDING NV
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   27 FEBRUARY 2003
Last amendment in the articles   14 MARCH 2005
    
Authorized capital   Aruban Florine 50,000.00
Issued capital   Aruban Florine 10,000.00
Paid up capital   Aruban Florine 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY 31 DECEMBER thru
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

Mansur, Jossy ELIE;
Born in   VENEZUELA, Puerto Cabello on 22 JUNE 1962
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   27 FEBRUARY 2003
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE (S) OF THE COMPANY
- THE PRACTICE OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE FIELD OF CIVIL AND UTILITY, INCLUDING THE PERFORMANCE OR ANY SUBCONTRACTORS DOING OR PERFORMANCE OF BUILDINGS VRBOUWINGSWERKZAAMHEDEN (RENOVATION WORK), OR TO REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE - THE EXERCISE OF THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCKTIEBEDRIJF (CONSTRUCTION COMPANY), INCLUDING INCLUDING METAL AND WELDING, PLUMBING, MASONRY AND CARPENTRY, AND ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT;
- PROVISION OF CONSTRUCTION AND TECHNICAL RELATED ADVICE AND MONITORING KEEPING IN CARRYING OUT OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED WORKS - CARRY OUT A "CATERING COMPANY ", INCLUDING THE PREPARATION, SALE AND DELIVERY OF FOOD AND BEVERAGES - TRADE IN GOODS AND ITEMS NEEDED FOR THE (DO) PERFORMING AFOREMENTIONED ACTIVITIES - HE RENTAL AND HIRING OF MACHINERY, TOOLS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT REQUIRED ON PERFORMANCE OF ABOVE WORK - SUPPLY OF SERVICES AND SERVICES FOR PUTTING ON STAFF.

*The descriptions in parenthesis are the result of further translation attempts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2011, 12:37:10 AM
http://amigoe.com/english/79464-companies-where-are-we-to-dump-our-waste-oil

Companies: ‘Where are we to dump our waste oil?’         

MONDAY, 18 JULY 2011 12:37

ORANJESTAD — Garages and other companies have no place to dump their waste oil now. Since the re-opening of the oil refinery, Valero stopped recycling waste oil. Neither can one dump the oil at refuse dump Parkietenbos although Serlimar, manager of this refuse dump, is currently discussing the possibility of introducing this service. Some companies are forced to either keep the oil on their terrain or dump the oil in the nature or in the sewer.

By our reporter


Merlijn van Lelyveld

Last week, the Bubali water purification plant came to a complete standstill after some waste engine oil was dumped in the sewerage the day before. This is still a penal act even if there are no official dump locations, says spokesperson of the Public Prosecutor, Ann Angela. “It remains against the law to dump dangerous substances in the environment.” The investigation into who is responsible for illegal dumping of oil is still in progress.

Valero spokesperson Bill Day states the refinery no longer recycles the oil since the re-opening beginning last year. DOW-official Paul Denters indicated earlier that a possible proposal is afoot. Valero could namely be designated as the permanent location for the waste engine oil. Day indicates he cannot comment on this just yet. “We must first view the proposal.” There is no other location to bring the oil since Valero stopped the recycling. Rozie Boekhoudt of Mourik Carribean confirms this. She previously collected waste oil at various companies, bringing it to the refinery until the latter closed their doors. Boekhoudt states that although she currently has well over twenty companies on a waiting list, she is still asked to collect the oil. However, the company is waiting for the green light on a location. Whether Parkietenbos will actually start the recycle service is still unclear. The possibilities are being discussed now. Nathalie Wolff, spokesperson of Serlimar, states she expects the company to provide this service.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2011, 12:46:33 AM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/79613-autodieven-aangehouden

Google translation:

(http://amigoe.com/images/stories/20-07-2011/717134.jpg)

Car thieves arrested         

WEDNESDAY, JULY 20, 2011 9:17 P.M.

ORANGE CITY - The police yesterday morning about eight two persons were arrested suspected of car theft.

The men were traced after police on patrol in northern Semeleerstraat saw a car was stolen. This was pursued, but they lost sight of. Moments later came a report in which the stolen vehicle would be at Papaya 7. Here the police were behind the garden of the house found six cars. All these cars were stolen between January this year and yesterday. The police had every car a theft report. The cars are completely emptied. The owner of the property declared to know nothing of what is going on behind the garden. One of the men was on January 2 this year released from correction Institute Aruba (KIA). Until now allow at least eight car thefts to his credit, but the police does not exclude that there are more.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2011, 01:14:49 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8006&offId=0&offDate=2011-7

Papiamentu translation:

5 day happen | fecha: 15/07/2011 | horario: 19:04

oficialnan of the atraco team of police owing to give lectura anti-atraco at comerciantenan chinese

recientemente oficialnan of police encarga cu investigacionnan relaciona cu atraco arm owing to as one lectura at one are enough big of comerciantenan of establecimientonan chinese. more of 50 person owing to asisti at the lectura organisa for her club chinese at aruba. esnan present owing to achieve much informacion con for they actua during one atraco y what for haci hour this sosode at one or another of they establecimientonan. owing to being splica con atracadornan is think y actua besides owing to give much tips at the publico for as cuenta cu cosnan relevante during atraco. at end the comerciantenan owing to stay much contento y owing to ripara cu they have to is mihor prepara for her possible next atraco.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/9_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/10_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/12_1310771101.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 21, 2011, 02:01:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::




::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 21, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8006&offId=0&offDate=2011-7

Papiamentu translation:

5 day happen | fecha: 15/07/2011 | horario: 19:04

oficialnan of the atraco team of police owing to give lectura anti-atraco at comerciantenan chinese

recientemente oficialnan of police encarga cu investigacionnan relaciona cu atraco arm owing to as one lectura at one are enough big of comerciantenan of establecimientonan chinese. more of 50 person owing to asisti at the lectura organisa for her club chinese at aruba. esnan present owing to achieve much informacion con for they actua during one atraco y what for haci hour this sosode at one or another of they establecimientonan. owing to being splica con atracadornan is think y actua besides owing to give much tips at the publico for as cuenta cu cosnan relevante during atraco. at end the comerciantenan owing to stay much contento y owing to ripara cu they have to is mihor prepara for her possible next atraco.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/9_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/10_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/12_1310771101.jpg)

lap-band



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 21, 2011, 09:49:46 PM
He's a slob


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on July 22, 2011, 08:33:23 AM
What a pig he is.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 22, 2011, 08:33:27 AM
beyond grossness


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 09:00:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on July 22, 2011, 09:03:43 AM
beyond grossness

I'm surprised he hasn't dropped dead yet like Paulus.  But then again he really doesn't work.  The only thing he does is hide/throw away evidence and falsify the documents of  suspects in a murder.  How hard can that be.  When he is done he eats his corn flakes.  I think he is eating a lot more than corn flakes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on July 22, 2011, 09:05:13 AM
Poor people in Aruba are starving and can't find work and this tub of sh*t is eating all their food for free.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 09:12:25 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8006&offId=0&offDate=2011-7

Papiamentu translation:

5 day happen | fecha: 15/07/2011 | horario: 19:04

oficialnan of the atraco team of police owing to give lectura anti-atraco at comerciantenan chinese

recientemente oficialnan of police encarga cu investigacionnan relaciona cu atraco arm owing to as one lectura at one are enough big of comerciantenan of establecimientonan chinese. more of 50 person owing to asisti at the lectura organisa for her club chinese at aruba. esnan present owing to achieve much informacion con for they actua during one atraco y what for haci hour this sosode at one or another of they establecimientonan. owing to being splica con atracadornan is think y actua besides owing to give much tips at the publico for as cuenta cu cosnan relevante during atraco. at end the comerciantenan owing to stay much contento y owing to ripara cu they have to is mihor prepara for her possible next atraco.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/9_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/10_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/12_1310771101.jpg)

lap-band



http://www.diario.aw/2011/07/recordando-35-y-25-ana-di-servicio-den-cuerpo-policial-aruba/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/polisnan.jpg)

Maybe so, the suit looks big on him...but imo he's still disgusting.

I've been wondering what that big brown spot is on his face.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 09:13:20 AM
beyond grossness

I'm surprised he hasn't dropped dead yet like Paulus.  But then again he really doesn't work.  The only thing he does is hide/throw away evidence and falsify the documents of  suspects in a murder.  How hard can that be.  When he is done he eats his corn flakes.  I think he is eating a lot more than corn flakes.

He could have eaten Paulus for all we know.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: San on July 22, 2011, 09:57:22 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8006&offId=0&offDate=2011-7

Papiamentu translation:

5 day happen | fecha: 15/07/2011 | horario: 19:04

oficialnan of the atraco team of police owing to give lectura anti-atraco at comerciantenan chinese

recientemente oficialnan of police encarga cu investigacionnan relaciona cu atraco arm owing to as one lectura at one are enough big of comerciantenan of establecimientonan chinese. more of 50 person owing to asisti at the lectura organisa for her club chinese at aruba. esnan present owing to achieve much informacion con for they actua during one atraco y what for haci hour this sosode at one or another of they establecimientonan. owing to being splica con atracadornan is think y actua besides owing to give much tips at the publico for as cuenta cu cosnan relevante during atraco. at end the comerciantenan owing to stay much contento y owing to ripara cu they have to is mihor prepara for her possible next atraco.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/9_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/10_1310771101.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8006/12_1310771101.jpg)

lap-band



http://www.diario.aw/2011/07/recordando-35-y-25-ana-di-servicio-den-cuerpo-policial-aruba/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/polisnan.jpg)

Maybe so, the suit looks big on him...but imo he's still disgusting.

I've been wondering what that big brown spot is on his face.   ::MonkeyEek::

He buys a bigger suit this way people ask him if he lost weight  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Can you see he pressing his hands against his stomach to push it in  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 11:14:11 AM
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/print-edition/2011/04/01/casinos-in-hawaii-make-no-business-sense.html?page=all

Casinos in Hawaii make no business sense

Premium content from Pacific Business News - by Jim George, Pacific Business News

Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 12:00am HST


Michael Rock has some advice for the politicians who think bringing casino gambling to Hawaii will help solve the state’s financial problems.

Don’t do it.

Rock brings some practical experience to the debate. He ran a casino for two years in Aruba, a Caribbean island off the coast of Venezuela that, like Hawaii, relies on tourism to drive its economic engine.

Since July 2009, Rock has been general manager of The Waikiki Edition, a Marriott-managed luxury hotel on the site of what used to be the Ilikai Hotel  ’s Yacht Harbor tower. Before that, he managed a Marriott property in Mexico City.

A 25-year veteran with Marriott, Rock was managing a property in St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands some years ago when his bosses asked him to take on a project. They wanted him to become an expert on casino gambling so that he could advise them on whether it fit the company’s mission.

Rock attended classes on the business side of gaming at the University of Nevada in Reno and worked in a casino at a Ritz-Carlton in San Juan, Puerto Rico. He then managed the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino from 2003 to 2005.

What he discovered, and what he told his bosses, is that managing a casino is not all that different from managing a hotel or resort. The key to success is great service. In the case of a casino, it means “celebrating wins” — making winning customers feel good so that they will return.

Eventually, the house is going to win, but gambling involves winning and losing, and it is the winning that needs to be emphasized.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/local-customer-appreciation-event-marriott-hosts-%E2%80%9Chavana-style%E2%80%9D-party-for-vips/

Local Customer Appreciation Event Marriott Hosts “Havana-Style” Party for VIPs

 Hotels     August 27th, 2010

In honor of the Aruba Marriott Resort’s 15th anniversary, a spicy hot Havana-Style party was held in the garden of the resort. Invited guests consisting of the local media, venders and customers who have relationships with the resort enjoyed Mojito’s, Cuban dancing, and a Caribbean buffet. Classic Cars, dancing and fire spitting were the highlight of the evening.

The Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino opened its doors in the summer of 1995. The Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino, began its life as an abandoned, unfinished building by the name of ‘Plantation Bay’. After a thorough renovation, the Resort opened its doors on the 24th of June 1995. The first General Manager Scott Ringer and Mr. Olindo Koolman, the former governor of Aruba attended the special opening ceremony on August 30, 1995. The Resort has 8 floors, 413 Rooms has 6 restaurants all serviced by one kitchen. A free form pool was built, as well as a Pool Bar and Waves / Simply Fish. Lots of palm trees were planted and other landscaping efforts were made to create the garden we have today.

The original 11,000 square feet Stellaris Casino opened on the 4th of July 1995. The Casino was built as an amenity for the guests. In August 2004 Stellaris Casino was renovated and expanded to its current 18,000 square feet. The official opening of the expanded Casino was executed by Minister Edison Briesen, Casino General Manager Michael Rock and the Resort’s General Manager Richard Zeolla. With 32 table games and 500 slot machines it is the largest Casino on the island.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 11:15:11 AM
2009

http://jpespinosa.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-places-to-work-2009.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/2009_MichaelRockGMMarriottMexicoCity.jpg)

http://www.lideresmexicanos.com/2009/06/los-40-lideres-del-turismo/

"The 40 leaders of Tourism

June 23, 2009

Section: Ranking

Tourism, one of the noblest industries that exist, allows the development of communities and nations exalt the national spirit in its most fine, promotes tolerance, education, culture and ultimately, we know better. That's why, before the economic crisis first and then the phobia of influenza, the federal government front, all the actors have gone on a major campaign by Mexico, here are some of the most outstanding players of this great crusade
 ::snipping2::
Michael Rock
General Manager of Hotel JW Marriot
The Marriott hotel chain also record low on their reservations, however, has slowly recovered its activity, especially the Marriott Hotel in Mexico City, site of the Industrial Club.
Tel: (55) 59 99 0000




http://news.visitaruba.com/news/stellaris-casino-at-the-marriott-is-expanding/

Stellaris Casino At The Marriott Is Expanding

Posted on: 06/22/2004 By: Rona Coster

Michael Rock, friendly, blue-eyed Director of the Stellaris Casino at the Marriott reports his casino is expanding. As a new ballroom is being built on the side of the property, the casino will be taking over the former ballroom space. Most slots, more tables, the end result will yield Aruba’s largest casino, with a cash-back system linked to all slot machine, one that is already capturing attention of locals & visitors. Rock is participating this week in the Gaming Show in Puerto Rico as guest of IGT, the friendly slot manufacturers. In the Caribbean he is a big fish, in view of the size of his Casino and his slot fleet . . .




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg375670#msg375670

Kermit posted:

Quote
Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7018.msg1076685#msg1076685

Kermit posted:

Quote
Rick Zeolla the General Manager at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris

“then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLLA family (Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/24/05)

* Zeolla's wife is a member of IFA

* Mark Purcell (MIP6 worked at Marriott hotel)

* Joran and his friends stayed at Marriott hotel (picture with belt around boys neck

* Valenjtin also partyed at Marriott hotel with his friend Jimmy Rock (his father was the manager who left shortly after Natalee disappeared and he went to Mexico)

* Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel

* Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search of the girl. Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/18/05

* Karin Janssen, Rudy Croes, Judge Kuerdil, Judge Smid are all friends of Paulus van der Sloot




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 12:24:04 PM
http://www.masaryk.tv/4914/inauguracion-del-restaurante-lipp

(http://img1.masaryk.tv/imgr/570/380/4/100/data/sections/4914/img_-243.jpg)

Ribbon cutting Michael Rock, Cristopher Ford, Ivonne Garza, Claude Guittard ...
masaryk.tv

Restaurant Opening Lipp
For Mark , 2008/11/12
   
JW Marriott Hotel Mexico welcomed the new Lipp restaurant specializing in French food
 ::snipping2::


http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/waikiki-edition-opens-with-style/

Waikiki Edition opens with style
October 19th, 2010
By Nadine Kam

 ::snipping2::

(http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/NE-room.jpg)

General manager Michael Rock shows a ukulele that is part of every room’s decor.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 22, 2011, 12:36:12 PM
http://www.masaryk.tv/4914/inauguracion-del-restaurante-lipp

(http://img1.masaryk.tv/imgr/570/380/4/100/data/sections/4914/img_-243.jpg)

Ribbon cutting Michael Rock, Cristopher Ford, Ivonne Garza, Claude Guittard ...
masaryk.tv

Restaurant Opening Lipp
For Mark , 2008/11/12
   
JW Marriott Hotel Mexico welcomed the new Lipp restaurant specializing in French food
 ::snipping2::


http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/waikiki-edition-opens-with-style/

Waikiki Edition opens with style
October 19th, 2010
By Nadine Kam

 ::snipping2::

(http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/NE-room.jpg)

General manager Michael Rock shows a ukulele that is part of every room’s decor.

BBM
Are they  channeling the spirit of Tiny Tim  with his uke and the "Tip Toe Through the Tulips" song?    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2011, 01:18:54 PM

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway - May, 2010


EDUCATION AND CHANGE

DR. DREW
Aired July 14, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

PINSKY: ... What do we, as a public, do with this story that we`ve been so taken by?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I mean, when you think about it, I mean, every tragic event brings about the need for education and change.  And it`s unfortunate that a mother could go 31 days without letting anyone know that her daughter was missing. But I mean, it happens time and time again. A horrific event brings about the need for education or change, and that is exactly what is coming out of Caylee`s murder.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/14/ddhln.01.html
 
 
The Caylee Anthony Case

New York lawmakers preparing to introduce 'Caylee's Law'
7/18/2011


ALBANY, N.Y., July 18 (Reuters) - Citing the recent acquittal of Casey Anthony, some New York state lawmakers want to make it a felony to fail to report a missing or dead child, but many legal experts say the proposal is unnecessary and could compound family court proceedings.

The proposal, dubbed "Caylee's Law" after Anthony's 2-year-old daughter, who was found dead in 2008 after Anthony failed to report her missing for 31 days, would make it a class E felony to go more than 72 hours without notifying authorities of a missing child and 24 hours without reporting a death. Similar proposals have been announced in at least two dozen other states.

The bill has not yet been formally introduced in New York, but lawmakers who have announced their intention to propose the measure said it would give prosecutors an additional tool in exceptional cases.

<snipped>

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2011/07_-_July/New_York_lawmakers_preparing_to_introduce__Caylee_s_Law_/
 

The Natalee Holloway Case

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 01:48:42 PM
http://www.masaryk.tv/4914/inauguracion-del-restaurante-lipp

(http://img1.masaryk.tv/imgr/570/380/4/100/data/sections/4914/img_-243.jpg)

Ribbon cutting Michael Rock, Cristopher Ford, Ivonne Garza, Claude Guittard ...
masaryk.tv

Restaurant Opening Lipp
For Mark , 2008/11/12
   
JW Marriott Hotel Mexico welcomed the new Lipp restaurant specializing in French food
 ::snipping2::


http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/waikiki-edition-opens-with-style/

Waikiki Edition opens with style
October 19th, 2010
By Nadine Kam

 ::snipping2::

(http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/NE-room.jpg)

General manager Michael Rock shows a ukulele that is part of every room’s decor.

BBM
Are they  channeling the spirit of Tiny Tim  with his uke and the "Tip Toe Through the Tulips" song?    ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks MuffyBee, now I'll be hearing that song all day!   ::bee::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 03:11:55 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34472-pelea-entre-mama-y-yiu-muhe.html

Papiamentu translation:

action among mother y child muhe

friday, 22 july 2011 03:01

police owing to acudi diabierna marduga alrededor 12:45am at alhambra casino for one action cu is bayendo for of hand. una times eynan police owing to compronde for of seguridad of casino cu the action was among one mother y his child muhe. the child muhe of 17 year, naci at merca, owing to maltrata his mother in casino. witness they owing to tell cu all 2 was consumi much beverage y cu probably they will was below ; influencia of alcohol. police owing to talk cu both y owing to take away they keep of police for more informacion y for take the complaint at once. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli22.pelea.DSC_2230.JPG)

Comments:

Google Spanish translation:

scirbi for jjb1978, july 22, 2011
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scirbi for dog, july 22, 2011
Have very much security at Have yet alhambra casino in casino Younger of age come across .... ra ra ra is what the security is haci then?? +1 Come across ...

scirbi for N'E chamboncitonan, july 22, 2011
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Because MyTime morning something good care for it Happen Again aruba is ful pay is not one person. come across! Mesco time of nathaly. +1 Come across ...

scirbi for ar, july 22, 2011
both at police? for one 17 year old ... sheesh come across +0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 22, 2011, 06:20:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrVIe-8WN8

Portraitofamonster 
Inside Edition July 21, 2011

Uploaded by Portraitofamonster on Jul 22, 2011

Authors Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer appear on the television show Inside Edition to discuss their new book, Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 07:53:39 PM
http://www.weekendweekblad.nl/joran_vd_sloot_is_een_monster.html

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/07212011_NLWeekendMag_Joran1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/07212011_NLWeekendMag_Joran2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
If ya'll have already seen this, please forgive.  I just saw it in today's paper.

From the Birmingham News today.  With video and picture

Beth Holloway finds kindred case with missing Cal-Poly student (Fodder)

http://blog.al.com/live/2011/07/beth_holloway_finds_kindred_ca.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 08:29:56 PM
If ya'll have already seen this, please forgive.  I just saw it in today's paper.

From the Birmingham News today.  With video and picture

Beth Holloway finds kindred case with missing Cal-Poly student (Fodder)

http://blog.al.com/live/2011/07/beth_holloway_finds_kindred_ca.html



Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
You can still watch the full episode about Adji Desir, Kristen Smart and others here!

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/

Scroll down for epidsodes that are still available for viewing other than the one that automaticall comes up.

Episode 9 (Desir/Smart)
Season 1: Episode 9 (Desir/Smart)): Original air date: 7/18/11. Set in Omakalee, FL and San Louis Obispo, CA. Beth meets with one family desperately searching for their special needs child, and another family trying to find a daughter who disappeared more than 15 years ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
You can still watch the full episode about Adji Desir, Kristen Smart and others here!

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/

Scroll down for episodes that are still available for viewing other than the one that automaticall comes up.

Episode 9 (Desir/Smart)
Season 1: Episode 9 (Desir/Smart)): Original air date: 7/18/11. Set in Omakalee, FL and San Louis Obispo, CA. Beth meets with one family desperately searching for their special needs child, and another family trying to find a daughter who disappeared more than 15 years ago.

edit   :2redface:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 22, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34507-e-interes-ta-keda-pa-exploracion-di-petroleo-y-gas-door-di-compania-local-.html

Papiamentu translation:

the interest is stay for exploración of petroleum y gas door of compania local

friday, 22 july 2011 20:17

según gobierno, have posibilidad cu can give one or more compania local the chens for busca the fountain of petroleum y gas at aruba. for haci this more facil, owing to come cu one comision for so see the posiblidadnan existente for facilita the proceso here basa on desaroyonan new. in decadanan of 80 y 90, the interest not was so big compara cu awo.

but first cu arrive so far, have cu give parliament one splicacion of thing is pasando. at the momentonan here, gobierno owing to come cu one comision cu is consisti of expertonan local y agent of ministerio of asuntonan economico dutch for so conseha on the proceso of exploración, hayando of the as here his carácter oficial, after cu owing to send expertonan on the territory here for give tayernan on the part of exploración. do not intencion for go back the same lugar cu owing to explora end, but busca another areanan of exploración y in one profundad more amplio.

minister mike de meza owing to arrive of menciona on one area cu is stay part north of aruba. the compania local compania aruban of petroleum nv, that is encarga cu negociación cu companianan cu is interesa in the proyecto, is send the various propocisionnan for minister de meza, that at his file will informa conseho of minister first cu cualkier firmamento of contrato. for sigura the claridad in the proceso here, owing to dicidi cu have to present this at parliament first cu arrive at cualkier acuerdo, for so the achieve the sosten necesario. once cu this sosode, will inicia the proceso for negosha. the interest is big, según cu we have of compronde, vooral of companianan for of europa. the expectativa for exploración próximamente t’ey, but not self big compara cu decadanan anterior. not have to descarta cu never owing to arrive of descubri petroleum in awanan teritorial of aruba, but if owing to arrive of descubri one area big of gas natural for thing is golfo of venezuela. this owing to genera interest new for exploración rond of aruba for thing is the matter here. have various type of interest actualmente for thing is exploración at aruba, mirando the desaroyo cu the posibilidad of achieve gas is more big, compara cu petroleum. not know never, kico will is the resultadonan if can come arrive at descubri petroleum rond of we island.

This is the name of the company before the translation:

Compania Arubano di Petroleo NV (aka CAP)

http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=36047

Friday, July 22, 2011 10:07
 
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 MAY 2006 under serial number 34834.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
CAP COMPANIA ARUBANO DI PETROLEO N.V.

 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 76, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   CAP COMPANIA ARUBANO DI PETROLEO N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   15 MAY 2006
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

CURET, EDUARDO ARMANDO;
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 11 DECEMBER 1950
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   15 MAY 2006
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
1. HET ONDERZOEKEN NAAR EN DE WINNING VAN PETROLEUM IN HET ZEEGEBIED ARUBA, ALSMEDE HET VERVULLEN EN UITVOEREN VAN BIJ DE PETROLEUMVERORDENING OPGEDRAGEN TAKEN; 2. HET (DOEN) OPSPOREN, HET (DOEN) ONTWIKKELEN EN/OF HET (DOEN) BEHEREN VAN PETROLEUMVOORKOMENS IN HET ZEEGEBIED; 3. HET DEELNEMEN IN EN HET VOEREN VAN BEHEER OVER ANDERE ONDERNEMINGEN, DIE EEN SOORTGELIJK DOEL VOEREN; 4. HET FINANCIEREN VAN DOCHTERMAATSCHAPPIJEN, GROEPSMAATSCHAPPIJEN, AFHANKELIJKE MAATSCHAPPIJEN EN DEELNEMINGEN, WAARONDER BEGREPEN HET INSTAAN VOOR SCHULDEN VAN DIE MAATSCHAPPIJEN EN DEELNEMINGEN.

Translation:

OBJECTIVE (S) OF THE COMPANY
1. Investigation and THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN THE REGION ARUBA AND THE DUTIES AND OPERATION OF OIL IN THE ASSIGNED DUTIES REGULATION 2. THE (DO) detection, (DO) DEVELOPMENT AND / OR (DO) MANAGING IN THE REGION PETROLEUMVOORKOMENS (PETROLEUM DEPOSITS) 3. THE PARTICIPATION IN AND USE OF MANAGEMENT OF OTHER COMPANIES THAT MAKE A SIMILAR PURPOSE 4. THE FINANCING OF SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, RELATED COMPANIES AND INVESTMENTS, INCLUDING THOSE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR DEBTS AND ASSOCIATES.


I've posted an article or two about this company before...and others have posted information about them as well...jen...hotping...just to name two here at SM...and jenna at RU posted about them before Persistence ever arrived in Aruba. 

It's all laid out in black and white.

That sick feeling is stronger than ever...

Will anyone EVER be held accountable for the fraud that was perpetrated on EVERYONE seeking Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway?????

If Natalee's remains were not recovered while the Persistence was out there working for Aruba, WHOSE REMAINS WERE THEY?????

I WANT ANSWERS, and I'm tired of waiting!  I WANT THEM NOW!   ::Baseball::

 ::pullinghairout::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 12:11:38 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34506-ministerio-publico-no-kier-duna-mucho-informacion-riba-e-caso-di-poentje-castro-aunke-cu-su-celular-ta-na-aruba-bek-pa-investigacion.html

Papiamentu translation:

ministerio publico does not give mucho informacion on the caso of poentje castro although cu his celular is at aruba bek for investigacion

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec25.poentje.jpg)

friday, 22 july 2011 20:17

ministerio publico is much cauteloso for thing is dunamento of informacion on the caso of asesinato of poentje castro, for so cosnan not wordo bad interpreta. thing if is one mature cu the celular of we ex colega owing to arrive aruba after of owing to haci one investigacion y saca informacion for of dje.

mirando cu is deal of one caso much earnest, cualkier informacion cu leave in publicidad can have his consecuencianan. thing if is conoci cu can have one possible sospechoso in the caso here. fiscal mayoor blanken is compronde cu is queen one preocupacion big among the miembronan of prensa, but is ask comprensión for so can succeed soluciona the caso here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 12:41:41 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34498-homber-bou-influencia-por-poco-a-hoga-na-marriott.html

Google translation:

man under influencia can some owing to hoga at marriott

friday, 22 july 2011 19:35

diabierna nightfall one man in his 50 year of edad owing to cay in the pool of marriott hotel. he under influencia owing to guli much water y personanan in cercania owing to give the victima cpr. ambulance owing to present at the sitio y transporte for horacio oduber hospital. is deal here of one tourist mericano, his situation is uno stabiel. so self they owing to hinke in cuido intensivo for so vigila his recuparacion. the personal of ambulance owing to work cune for so can owing to scapa his life first cu past owing to arrive hospital. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli22.hoga.hoga004.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 12:46:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 10:10:38 AM
http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/u-s-customs-and-border-protection-recognizes-the-u-s-aruba-partnership-at-reina-beatrix-international-airport/

U.S. Customs and Border Protection Recognizes the U.S./Aruba Partnership at Reina Beatrix International Airport


General News     July 22nd, 2011

(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Peter-Steinmetz-applauds-Defrancisci-and-PM-placing-the-Aruba-Flag--286x300.jpg)

Aruba’s Prime Minister Mike Eman joined hands with Dylan Defrancisci, Port Director of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in placing the Aru­ban flag for the first time in the area of the Reina Beatrix International Airport which is officially U.S. soil for those traveling to the States from Aruba.

This long-standing cooperation between the two nations was acknowledged by the PM, the U.S. authorities and Peter Steinmetz, CEO of the Aruba Airport Authority, during a casual and congenial ceremony in the section of the airport under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection yesterday morning, July 21.

Peter Steinmetz described the relationship between the airport and U.S. officials as “siblings” under the Dutch and Aruban parent authorities, who sometimes squabble but work out their differences and enjoy a positive working relationship.

Prime Minister Eman expressed his great pride in the productive and congenial partnership Aruba shares with the U.S., and the island’s place among very few nations that can offer U.S. Border Protection service within their domain, thus insuring a more efficient and enjoyable return trip for U.S. citizens and simpler processing for those from other nations traveling to the U.S.

Officer Defrancisci stated “U.S. Customs and Border Protection Aruba believes that, out of respect for the host nation, the display of the Aruban colors is a just addition that symbolizes the two governments’ partnership and shared interest in the operational success of Aruba Pre-clearance.”

“Each day, the men and women assigned to the CBP Aruba process anywhere from 1000-4000 passengers en route to the U.S.

Each of those passengers walks past this new insignia wall and flags which will depict the shared alliance between the two countries. As you are aware, Aruba is one of only 15 locations outside the U.S. that is afforded CBP pre-clearance processing.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 23, 2011, 10:56:58 AM

Vanished With Beth Holloway

Finale: Monday, July 25 at 11 pm/10c


http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/episode-tips



Vanished With Beth Holloway Episode: "Baum; Hill"

Season 1 Episode 10


Episode Synopsis: A girl who disappeared while returning home from a friend's house; a mother who helped bring her daughter's murderer to justice. Original Air Date: Jul 25, 2011

Channel Date & Time Episode
LIFE Mon, Jul 25
11:00 PM

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/Vanished-Beth-2011/episode-10-season-1/baum-hill/325492


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Serenity on July 23, 2011, 11:39:26 AM
Klassend,

This is OT,but I did not know how else to reach you.
I live in Indpls and we have a young college student, Lauren Spierer, missing now for 50 days. I've been a monkey since our sweet Natalee became missing and I was wondering if you could google her name and work your magic powers to get her here on scared monkeys so we can help find her.
I just know with all the brilliant minds we have here that we can make some headway.

I'm not Klaasend by any stretch, but we already have a thread for Lauren in Missing Persons.  I hope she can be found soon.  Muffy
Missing Indiana University student Lauren Spierer, 20yrs old, missing 6/3/11 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10312.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 11:48:33 AM
Klassend,

This is OT,but I did not know how else to reach you.
I live in Indpls and we have a young college student, Lauren Spierer, missing now for 50 days. I've been a monkey since our sweet Natalee became missing and I was wondering if you could google her name and work your magic powers to get her here on scared monkeys so we can help find her.
I just know with all the brilliant minds we have here that we can make some headway.

She's here!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/missing-persons/lauren-spierer/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10312.0

Also, did you see this episode of Vanished?  Lauren's story was featured at the beginning of the show.

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/video/

Episode 9 (Desir/Smart)
Season 1: Episode 9 (Desir/Smart)): Original air date: 7/18/11. Set in Omakalee, FL and San Louis Obispo, CA. Beth meets with one family desperately searching for their special needs child, and another family trying to find a daughter who disappeared more than 15 years ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 11:59:19 AM
I'm not Klaasend either, guess I should have said that...  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Just thought I'd supply the links since I was here and saw the question.

 ::HelloKitty::

I hope Lauren is found safe, and soon.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 23, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
DOES THE END JUSTISFY THE MEANS?

Food for Thought.  When all is said and done ... in the long term ... Joran van der Sloot never benefited from all those paid interviews ... never benefited from the book he authored or ... never benefited from his extortion of Beth Holloway.

Should Casey Anthony be provided a paid platform to spew her lies?

+++++
 
The Natalee Holloway Case
 
ONLY INCRIMINATES HIMSELF
 
Transcript: Beth Twitty Responds
Tuesday, March 21, 2006

 
 <snipped>
 
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: We recently sat down with Joran van der Sloot, one of the prime suspects in Natalee Holloway's disappearance. ....

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you and I have spent an awful lot of time together, talked together. You know my entire staff. Was it difficult for you that we sat down with him?

TWITTY: Oh, no. No, I mean, I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time.
 
<snipped>
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188645,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Van Der Sloot Speaks Out
Aired February 23, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>
 
BETH TWITTY:  I`m just glad that he is coming out and speaking on camera because I heard a clip that you -- a sound bite earlier, and he does -- when he tells one lie, more evolve. And it just is mind-boggling how we are all just witnessing this from Joran.
 
<snipped>
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/ng.01.html


BROKE AND DESPERATE

van der Sloot broke and desperate when he met Flores
Published: 5/29 1:16 pm
Updated: 5/31 8:49 am


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) - Joran Van der Sloot was broke and desperate in a hotel room he couldn't pay for. His luck had run out at a nearby casino. And then he met a young woman who had just cashed in.

Van der Sloot spent almost an hour on the phone with a Dutch friend on May 28, 2010..two days before he met and killed Stephany Flores.

Van der Sloot told his friend he was broke and couldn't pay his hotel tab at Lima's TAC hotel where he had been for five days playing in a poker tournament. The call to Stan Pluijmen was later listened to by Dutch police.

<snipped>

The call ended with van der Sloot asking Pluijmen to send him money saying his own mother and brother had turned him down saying all he'd do with it was play and lose at poker.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-broke-and-desperate-when-he-met/iRvIZFLM0ESRECHhQp3ERA.cspx
 
 
The Caylee Anthony Case

THE MAJOR NETWORKS
 
Casey Anthony Lawyer Negotiates ($$$) w/ Networks
7/22/2011 10:41 AM


Jose Baez -- Casey Anthony's lawyer -- is holed up at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in New York City, holding court with all of the major networks - to determine who will score the first interview with Casey -- and big bucks are involved.
 
<snipped>
 
http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/22/casey-anthony-jose-baez-tv-deal-interview-mark-geragos-attorney-deal-shopping-abc-nbc-cbs-broadcast-fees-photos-morning-shows/

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 04:21:13 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34402-na-e-international-school-of-aruba-aby-sneek-smith-a-ricibi-e-premio-di-headmasters-pa-excelencia-academico-.html

Papiamentu translation:

at the international school or aruba aby sneek-smith owing to ricibi the premium of headmaster’s for excelencia academico

wednesday, 20 july 2011 17:02

aby sneek-smith recientemente owing to gradua of the international school or aruba y owing to wordo reconoci for excelencia academico in ap english, chemistry y calculus, haciendo so cu past owing to ricibi the premium general of headmasters for excelencia academico, for her class of 2011.

while cu past owing to study at scol aby was one acolyte of the national honor society y owing to serve because; the chairman of his class at 2010. the is one of the some graduadonan of hoist cu owing to cuminsa they educacion at the scol for of kleuterschool end, y owing to completa his carera academico without interumpcion, graduando because; one senior. aby is preparando for study at the florida institute or technology at melbourne florida, on one beca academico of 50%. the will is studiando ingenieria chemico cu one enfoke on energy renovabel, for so the can cuminsa one carera cu one of the companianan chemico big, as dow y/of dupont, where the have planea for serve because; one stagiaire during his of two semester.

aby can being see on the portret is ricibi his certificado of excelencia academico, acompaña for first minister of aruba, mike eman, that was the orador principal of the night, y also was encarga cu the honor of reconoce the studiantenan estelar, y the agent of the scol, in the hyatt regency ballroom, during the celebracion of graduacion at end of the year escolar.aby’s his padrastro rob smith of the radisson aruba resort casino & spa y his wife diana, aby his mother y three brother women, is proud of aby his logronan y his motivacion for sobresali.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/07202011_AbySneekSmith_ISA_24ora-1.jpg)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/spanish/padrastro

padrastro masculine noun
Translation of PADRASTRO

1
: stepfather
2
: hangnail   ::MonkeyHaHa::


http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

July 23, 2011 edition Page 9

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/ISA/07232011_TheMorningNews_AbySneekSmith2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 06:37:57 PM
http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/23/daily_guide_to_television_and_radio/

Daily guide to television and radio
July 23, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Justice for Natalee Holloway 8 p.m., midnight (LMN)
Beth Holloway’s ongoing search for her missing daughter, Natalee, is chronicled. Tracy Pollan. NR (2011)



On my Direct TV guide, the whole evening is covered with both the 2009 and 2011 LMN movies about Natalee!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 23, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/lifetime-movie-network

TODAY, SATURDAY JULY 23

06:00 PM
Natalee Holloway
The harrowing true story of a teenage girl who vanished while vacationing i...

08:00 PM
Justice for Natalee Holloway
This Lifetime Original Movie closes in on the ongoing mystery of what happe...

10:00 PM
Natalee Holloway
The harrowing true story of a teenage girl who vanished while vacationing i...

TOMORROW, SUNDAY JULY 24

12:00 AM
Justice for Natalee Holloway
This Lifetime Original Movie closes in on the ongoing mystery of what happe...

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway

Natalee Holloway

Starring: Amy Gumenick, Grant Show, Tracy Pollan Genre: True Crime

Teenager Natalee Holloway vanished in 2005 while visiting Aruba on a senior class trip. In a passionate and relentless effort to discover the truth behind her daughter’s disappearance, Beth Holloway captured the nation’s attention by working tirelessly to solve the mystery that shattered her family’s life. Today, Holloway continues to speak publicly about the potential dangers of international travel. Her resolve and unwavering strength are at the center of this emotional story that takes viewers behind the headlines and into the heart of an extraordinary woman. The movie, about a mother's search for truth and justice, is based on the book "Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith" by Beth Holloway.

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/about

About "Justice for Natalee Holloway"
As a follow-up to the original movie “Natalee Holloway,” the Lifetime Original Movie “Justice for Natalee Holloway” closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who in 2005 mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot (Stephen Amell), one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee’s fate, yet denying any responsibility for what happened to her. Tracy Pollan reprises her role as Beth Holloway.

Growing more arrogant about his professed innocence and finding himself increasingly in debt as his life and gambling habits spiral out of control, van der Sloot does the unthinkable by demanding $250,000 from Beth to reveal the exact location of Natalee's remains. Intent on bringing her daughter’s alleged murderer to justice, Beth once again partners with the FBI and other authorities to find and arrest him. But before they can, the saga takes another twisted turn when van der Sloot allegedly murders a young Peruvian woman on the fifth anniversary of Natalee's tragic disappearance.

“Justice for Natalee Holloway” also stars Scott Cohen (“Love and Other Drugs,” “The Other Woman”) as John Kelly, with a special appearance by Grant Show (“Natalee Holloway,” “Melrose Place”) as Jug Twitty.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 23, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
Klassend,

This is OT,but I did not know how else to reach you.
I live in Indpls and we have a young college student, Lauren Spierer, missing now for 50 days. I've been a monkey since our sweet Natalee became missing and I was wondering if you could google her name and work your magic powers to get her here on scared monkeys so we can help find her.
I just know with all the brilliant minds we have here that we can make some headway.

I'm not Klaasend by any stretch, but we already have a thread for Lauren in Missing Persons.  I hope she can be found soon.  Muffy
Missing Indiana University student Lauren Spierer, 20yrs old, missing 6/3/11 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10312.0

Thanks Serenity - yes that is a very sad case and I have been following since she went missing.  Texasmom provided the links and yes we have a thread and I've done some maps etc. 

IMO, one of the guys either killed her or she died and he disposed of her body.  I hope they search the landfill.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 24, 2011, 02:55:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 24, 2011, 09:23:02 AM
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110724/GPG04/107240555/Real-life-crime-makes-summer-splash (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110724/GPG04/107240555/Real-life-crime-makes-summer-splash)

Real-life crime makes summer splash
10:09 PM, Jul. 23, 2011 

As the world waits to see if Casey Anthony signs a book deal, these new true-crime titles make for scintillating summer reads.

"Stolen Life: A Memoir" by Jaycee Dugard (Simon & Schuster)
 ::snipping2::

"Portrait of A Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery" by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson (St. Martin's)

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 24, 2011, 11:42:47 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Photo-lineup-shown-to-Peruvian-witnesses.jpg

(http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Photo-lineup-shown-to-Peruvian-witnesses.jpg)

Is that Joe Tacopina in the lineup (far right) that was shown to the witnesses in Peru?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 24, 2011, 11:43:43 PM
I didn't realize the image was that big, you have to scroll over to see him!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 25, 2011, 12:08:01 AM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Photo-lineup-shown-to-Peruvian-witnesses.jpg

(http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Photo-lineup-shown-to-Peruvian-witnesses.jpg)

Is that Joe Tacopina in the lineup (far right) that was shown to the witnesses in Peru?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
hahahahaha

Does resemble him but I imagine it's some other jerk  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 25, 2011, 12:11:30 AM
TM you may have already posted this..

http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2011/07/book-review-portrait-of-monster.html (http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2011/07/book-review-portrait-of-monster.html)

 ::snipping2::

It was there at the casinos that he met Flores, the daughter of a wealthy businessman. When Van der Sloot realized that Flores had several thousand dollars on her, he lured her to his hotel room. Three days after he checked out, she was found dead--beaten, strangled, and smothered. Her money and credit cards were missing.

Portrait of a Monster is the definitive account of these cases. While Joran Van der Sloot awaits trial in Peru, the families of Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores still grieve.

I recommend this book to all true crime fanatics.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2011, 01:32:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Magnolia on July 25, 2011, 02:01:55 AM
I am not sure if this is the same Lisa Pulitzer, but I knew there was some
scandal associated with the name.....of course there was Roxanne Pulitzer
from Palm Beach too.

Two Wives' Tale
Palm Beach society travel agent Philip Roome liked to keep people happy. And when he committed suicide, his wife Liza Pulitzer was surprised to discover he was married to someone else. Now the wives are friends.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/n_9555/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2011, 03:14:25 AM
I am not sure if this is the same Lisa Pulitzer, but I knew there was some
scandal associated with the name.....of course there was Roxanne Pulitzer
from Palm Beach too.

Two Wives' Tale
Palm Beach society travel agent Philip Roome liked to keep people happy. And when he committed suicide, his wife Liza Pulitzer was surprised to discover he was married to someone else. Now the wives are friends.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/n_9555/

I didn't read it all, but I don't think they're the same one.

At the end of the book they thank their families...Cole's wife...and then Douglas, Francesca, and Juliet.

I found a couple of things that match up!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/25/style/weddings-lisa-pulitzer-douglas-love.html

http://huntington.patch.com/announcements/huntington-station-seventh-grader-makes-honor-roll


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2011, 09:12:48 AM

Vanished With Beth Holloway

Finale: Monday, July 25 at 11 pm/10c


http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/episode-tips



Vanished With Beth Holloway Episode: "Baum; Hill"

Season 1 Episode 10


Episode Synopsis: A girl who disappeared while returning home from a friend's house; a mother who helped bring her daughter's murderer to justice. Original Air Date: Jul 25, 2011

Channel Date & Time Episode
LIFE Mon, Jul 25
11:00 PM

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/Vanished-Beth-2011/episode-10-season-1/baum-hill/325492


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2011, 10:02:43 AM
Real-life crime makes summer splash
July 24, 2011


<snipped>

"Portrait of A Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery" by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson (St. Martin's)

In their comprehensive investigation, the authors juxtapose the 2011 murder of Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, against the sensational case of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who disappeared during a school trip to Aruba in 2005. Though Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot was the last person seen with Holloway, police didn't have enough evidence to arrest him. Five years later, Flores was found dead in his hotel room, kicking off an international manhunt. This mesmerizing book's never-before-seen material details van der Sloot's possible link to sex trafficking in Thailand, his jail diary and police interview transcripts.

<snipped>

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110724/GPG04/107240555/Real-life-crime-makes-summer-splash


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516060428

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186832_516060428_6172110_n.jpg)

Mette van der Sloot

Lives in Palm Beach, Aruba

Veterinarian?

http://archive.ugent.be/record/1257904

Mette van der Sloot - Ghent University

http://search.ugent.be/meercat/x/all?q=%22Van+Der+Sloot%2C+Mette+%22
   
The use of intraluminal stents in dogs with tracheacollaps / Mette Van Der Sloot.
Van Der Sloot, Mette
2009.
 
Full text!   
Intraluminal stents to treat in dogs tracheacollaps
2010

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CFAQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arubabeachtennis.com%2FSchedule_April_-_June_2011.xls&ei=aaUtTpOKBO6CsgLa9NW_Cw&usg=AFQjCNHpGkXNC8BIkEFxbdCQyD4i4ItudA

[XLS] Tuesday Night Ladies - Aruba Beach Tennis
www.arubabeachtennis.com/Schedule_April_-_June_2011.xlsFile Format: Microsoft Excel
6, 3, Mette van der Sloot /Stephanie Begemann, 3, Barbara Franke/Mignon Aal. 7, 4, Erica de Groot-Helderman / Aalke Aardema, 4, Rebecca van Dis /Nicoline ...

http://bbm.waarbenjij.nu/?page=pictures&intTravelId=218630

(http://images.waarbenjij.nu/user2/b/bbm/4abf618cc5351577237062/file112454932.jpg?1256225025)

(http://images.waarbenjij.nu/user2/b/bbm/4abf618cc5351577237062/file112523249.jpg?1257229509)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2011, 02:46:08 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34595-e-prome-y-unico-clinica-pa-medicina-hyperbarica-ta-felicita-su-empleado-paul-seute-.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli25.hope.front.JPG)

the first y unique clinica for medicina hyperbarica is felicita his employee paul seute

monday, 25 july 2011 11:30

recientemente paul seute, chamber mast at hope, owing to termina his cursonan of medicina hyperbaric in “hyperbaric medicine team training” at the hospital nix at san antonio, texas. hope by year 2006 is one centro for medicina hyperbarico where pashentnan is achieve diagnostico y tratamento. among the diagnosticonan more see is leg diabetico cu injury severo cu does not cura or cu is at danger of amputacion.

hope (hyperbaric oxygen producing environment) owing to being arise by of ulrich tromp y dr. ike posner at year 2006 for deal scuba divers y malesanan for medicina hyperbarico. they owing to cuminsa cu one chamber of mark perry y awendia hope have three chamber, two of mark leaderlife. the chambernan here cu is inversionnan big, is extremely efectivo y comodo for help pashentnan.

at year 2006 hope owing to earn one reconocimento of padi for aporta at the siguridad of scuba diving at aruba. hope is reconoci for divers alert network dan of duke universityo y is in the ultimo fasenan for reconocimento of uhms (undersea and hyperbaric medical society). also hope owing to cuminsa the proceso for being reconoci for give cuido at profesional divers. at august the top autoridad at world dr francois burma of sudafrica is come for give training y certifica esnan at hope.

cu aparatonan sofistica y of ultimo tecnologia doctor ike posner y his team is help his pashentnan. vasera is one apparatus cu in centronan at yapon, europa y using is being employ for screening of problemanan of circulacion. without dolor y of one form rapido can tell con the estado of the adernan is. tcom cu is stop for transcutaneous oxygen measurement is the apparatus reconoci mundialmente for help diagnostica the estado of heridanan y for help give prognostico.

diagnostico cu have to of medicina hyperbarico is among otro: scuba divers cu owing to bent; leg diabetico cu injury chronico; heridanan cause for tratamento cu radiocion; infeccionnan chronico in bone, osteomyelitis; infeccionnan cu “flesh eating” bacteria cu is one emergencia in medicina; flapnan in cirugia plastico.

empleadonan cu much experiencia, educacion training is work at hope. enfermeronan cu more of 30 year of experiencia, engineer electronico y of it y programacion, efermeronan experto in anesthesia, cuido intensivo, in dolor y heridanan, personal cu training at merca, colombia, cuba y europa in cursonan y hospitalnan reconoci mundialmente. all is conoci cu the usage of tecnologia as anodyne, bioptron, uv- c, gravitational platelet separation, vacume assisted closure, una boot. soon will can read of esakinan on www.hopearuba.com.

so hope is felicita paul seute y his personal provided that general for they empenio of busca excelencia in cuido of pashentnan cu have to medicina hyperbarico.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 25, 2011, 02:47:53 PM
http://www.segcity.com/sanantonio/fbjan10.html

 ::snipping2::

Paul Seute

Aruba

1/23/10

Tour guide was extremely funny!

http://www.segcity.com/sanantonio/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2011, 04:07:54 PM
It has been almost 2 1/2 years since Beth Holloway shared in this Lifetime interview.  That not-knowing must be h---.

+++++

The Beth Holloway Interview
Created 03/25/2009


<snipped>

What do you really think happened to Natalee?
We have tried to be so careful not to speculate over the last four years. We always go back to the known facts, and the known facts are that we have indentified the three individuals who were last seen with Natalee alive. As she was leaving Carlos and Charlie’s, we know the condition that Natalee was in. And when the suspects took her from the establishment, we have 22 different versions that they have given to the police to explain what they did with her that night. We know the sexual conduct they engaged in with her in the car as she was semiconscious, falling asleep and waking up. So we know it doesn’t look good, the things that were transpiring. Other than this, we have no further information.

<snipped>

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 12:26:23 AM
One of the things I read in the book that didn't sit well with me...I'd really like to know if this is true.  That's the first I've heard about Steph Watts being aware of the contacts that Joran initiated with John Kelly and Beth and what he was proposing...before the sting operation actually took place.

This segment follows the details of Joran's extortion of Beth in 2010; at this point John Q. Kelly had been to Aruba on May 10th, given Joran the $10,000 in cash and Beth had made the wire transfer of the remaining $15,000 for the down payment.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Qob31JGGaMC&lpg=PA231&ots=L2tWOPOFUL&dq=Fox%20News%20producer%20Steph%20Watts%20had%20cautioned%20the%20Twitty-Kelly%20team%20about%20dealing%20with%20the%20cad%2C%20when%20he%20learned%20from%20them%20what%20Joran%20had%20proposed.&pg=PA231#v=onepage&q&f=false

Portrait of a Monster Joran van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, And the Natalee Holloway Mystery

Page 231

 ::snipping2::

Fox News producer Steph Watts had cautioned the Twitty-Kelly team about dealing with the cad, when he learned from them what Joran had proposed.  Watts had warned them not to give Joran any real money.  Coincidentally, $25,000 was the standard asking rate of Joran's "licensing" fee for an interview.  Steph said the probability of Joran fleeing Aruba once he had the down payment was almost certain.

Once back in New York, John Kelly continued his e-mail correspondence with Joran, as the deal had a $225,000 outstanding balance.  He underestimated the flight risk that Steph had cautioned them about.  As far as he was concerned, the FBI was monitoring the situation, having been involved in the sting.  The undercover extortion sting was kept under wraps.


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 12:31:08 AM
I'm trying to remember if Joran emailed John Q. Kelly directly at first, or if he emailed someone else first to get his email address...I want to say maybe Greta?

I just can't remember everything!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've just been trying to think of WHY Steph Watts would have known anything about that at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 26, 2011, 01:54:15 AM
I'm trying to remember if Joran emailed John Q. Kelly directly at first, or if he emailed someone else first to get his email address...I want to say maybe Greta?

I just can't remember everything!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've just been trying to think of WHY Steph Watts would have known anything about that at all.

Joran e-mailed Greta to get Kelly's e-mail, I think--reply #326?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.320




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 02:06:13 AM
I'm trying to remember if Joran emailed John Q. Kelly directly at first, or if he emailed someone else first to get his email address...I want to say maybe Greta?

I just can't remember everything!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've just been trying to think of WHY Steph Watts would have known anything about that at all.

Joran e-mailed Greta to get Kelly's e-mail, I think--reply #326?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.320


THANK YOU!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::

It may not mean anything in relation to Steph Watts' knowledge of what was going on...but then again it might.  The possibility is more real to me with that being confirmed anyway.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 26, 2011, 02:10:35 AM
One of the things I read in the book that didn't sit well with me...I'd really like to know if this is true.  That's the first I've heard about Steph Watts being aware of the contacts that Joran initiated with John Kelly and Beth and what he was proposing...before the sting operation actually took place.

This segment follows the details of Joran's extortion of Beth in 2010; at this point John Q. Kelly had been to Aruba on May 10th, given Joran the $10,000 in cash and Beth had made the wire transfer of the remaining $15,000 for the down payment.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Qob31JGGaMC&lpg=PA231&ots=L2tWOPOFUL&dq=Fox%20News%20producer%20Steph%20Watts%20had%20cautioned%20the%20Twitty-Kelly%20team%20about%20dealing%20with%20the%20cad%2C%20when%20he%20learned%20from%20them%20what%20Joran%20had%20proposed.&pg=PA231#v=onepage&q&f=false

Portrait of a Monster Joran van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, And the Natalee Holloway Mystery

Page 231

 ::snipping2::

Fox News producer Steph Watts had cautioned the Twitty-Kelly team about dealing with the cad, when he learned from them what Joran had proposed.  Watts had warned them not to give Joran any real money.  Coincidentally, $25,000 was the standard asking rate of Joran's "licensing" fee for an interview.  Steph said the probability of Joran fleeing Aruba once he had the down payment was almost certain.

Once back in New York, John Kelly continued his e-mail correspondence with Joran, as the deal had a $225,000 outstanding balance.  He underestimated the flight risk that Steph had cautioned them about.  As far as he was concerned, the FBI was monitoring the situation, having been involved in the sting.  The undercover extortion sting was kept under wraps.


 ::snipping2::

This article might have some answers for you, TM--

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 02:20:00 AM
Thanks grace-land, I'd read that one again earlier...the email being sent to Greta wasn't mentioned in it.

I didn't think I'd dreamed it, and I'm sure now that it was from Peter R. DeVries show (Jo-An's translation of it) that I was remembering something about that.

Thanks again...it was driving me crazy!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2011, 02:22:27 AM
Deadly Connection?
updated 6/11/2010 9:03:58 PM ET


<snipped

JOHN KELLY: I got the first e-mail from van der Sloot on March 30.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/5/


Tamikosmom
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN? Articles only - no discussion please
« Reply #151 on: June 10, 2010, 03:55:43 PM »


June 8, 2010 | 2:24 PM ET
BREAKING NEWS: IT WAS HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY JOHN Q. KELLY WHO SET UP THE MAY 10 STING

Following up on the tip I reported her last week that John Q. Kelly was in Aruba twice in May, sources have now confirmed to me that it was John Q. Kelly, the Holloway family attorney who set up the sting operation on May 10.

<snipped>

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/breaking-news-it-was-holloway-attorney-john-q-kelly-who-set-up-the-may-10-sting/

(No longer a working link)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1154491;topicseen#msg1154491

_____

Sources?? - The Daisy Chain??

Dave Holloway - Steph Watts - Greta_Van_Susteren


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on July 26, 2011, 02:34:44 AM
Thanks grace-land, I'd read that one again earlier...the email being sent to Greta wasn't mentioned in it.

I didn't think I'd dreamed it, and I'm sure now that it was from Peter R. DeVries show (Jo-An's translation of it) that I was remembering something about that.

Thanks again...it was driving me crazy!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

YW, Texasmom!  It was driving me crazy, too!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 03:52:51 AM
http://youtu.be/705G6JJ_o9U

It's in this video, I understood Peter say Greta van Susteren earlier at about the one minute mark and then Beth explains it at about 2:30.  They went into detail about it because Joran told John van den Hueval that Beth was the one that made the first contact...the emails prove otherwise.  In the second email to John Kelly, Joran states that this was an idea that he had discussed with Greta before but since she works for Fox she suggested that he contact John to see if he was interested.

I took some screenshots

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/102010_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/102010_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/102010_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/102010_4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 04:09:07 AM
If you notice in the original email, Joran tells John Kelly to contact him at the surferjohn82 email; but apparently John Q. Kelly didn't do that.  I can't read it all, but in the second email Joran says he (I'm assuming John Ludwick) didn't really want to get involved with it anyway.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/16/friend-of-two-time-suspected-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-breaks-silence/

 ::snipping2::

John Ludwick told me he never asked his friend about the Holloway case “flat out” because “If I pushed him he would think I had other motives”. While most, including I, would find that hard to believe, it’s a point he remains firm on. He said the two did eventually discuss the case after they watched a Lifetime movie about the case one evening. Van der Sloot told him certain parts were true, while others were not. When I pressed Ludwick for more details, he remained tight-lipped. Interestingly, Ludwick who was house-sitting in Aruba, would leave the island on May 10th – just 2 ½ months after they first met and the same day Joran would meet Beth Holloway’s attorney, John Q. Kelly, as part of an alleged plot to extort money from her. Ludwick says van der Sloot never mentioned the alleged plot but he told him about a call van der Sloot got around that time where he was “trying to work out a deal for some money” and it was about the “Holloway situation.” Again his details were slim and when I pressed for more and he failed to elaborate. Also on May 10th, Joran would text his friend saying he was “done” with Aruba. Ludwick speculates maybe Joran was leaving because he knew he was set to meet with Kelly later that very day. Joran would indeed leave Aruba a few days later for his ill-fated trip to Peru after extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway, according to the FBI.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 04:10:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 04:12:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 26, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
We're back!    ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2011, 08:46:26 PM
We're back!    ::MonkeySlide::

 ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::
::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
MORE GOOD PR FOR ARUBA ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html)

Teen Fights Off Aruba Attacker, Lives
High School Student Says Newton Self-Defense Class Saved Her

(http://www.thebostonchannel.com/2011/0727/28678559_240X180.jpg)

POSTED: 6:50 am EDT July 27, 2011
UPDATED: 8:23 am EDT July 27, 2011

BOSTON -- A Newton high school student said if it wasn't for a self-defense class she took just before a recent trip to Aruba, she might not be alive.

Lily Konowitz said she was brutally beaten in a bathroom on the Caribbean island during a vacation there this spring.

Konowitz said she never thought her spring break in April would end in the hospital.

Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html#ixzz1TJMoFDlP

 ::snipping2::


Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html#ixzz1TJMXxfxy


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 27, 2011, 10:05:16 AM
http://lilykonowitzfoundation.org/

Our Mission:

To empower women through self-defense education.

Our mission is accomplished in several parts: by donating equipment to organizations teaching self-defense and rape prevention classes; offering grants to allow women to attend self-defense classes and through educational material to provide information on rape prevention.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 27, 2011, 11:00:09 AM
MORE GOOD PR FOR ARUBA ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html)

Teen Fights Off Aruba Attacker, Lives
High School Student Says Newton Self-Defense Class Saved Her

(http://www.thebostonchannel.com/2011/0727/28678559_240X180.jpg)

POSTED: 6:50 am EDT July 27, 2011
UPDATED: 8:23 am EDT July 27, 2011

BOSTON -- A Newton high school student said if it wasn't for a self-defense class she took just before a recent trip to Aruba, she might not be alive.

Lily Konowitz said she was brutally beaten in a bathroom on the Caribbean island during a vacation there this spring.

Konowitz said she never thought her spring break in April would end in the hospital.

Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html#ixzz1TJMoFDlP

 ::snipping2::


Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html#ixzz1TJMXxfxy


 ::snipping2::
Konowitz suffered a black eye and abrasions to her knee in the attack. She now thinks often of the Natalee Holloway case and describes how helpless she felt when she was assaulted in Aruba.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/28678487/detail.html#ixzz1TJl0KO3P

She was lucky, I'm glad she's o.k.

But I wish more American tourists would think of Natalee's case and NOT go there!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 27, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/07/michael-levestone-kier-bay-cas-mescos-cu-liliana-mathew-pa-ta-cu-su-tata-cu-tin-enfermedad-serio/

Papiamentu translation:

michael levestone wanted bay cas same cu liliana mathew, for is cu his father cu have enfermedad earnest

publication: tuesday, 26 july 2011.

categoria: general,judicial

oranjestad (aan): monday daily paper owing to the oportunidad of talk cu the preso michael levestone, hour cu past owing to visit his father cu is abide of one enfermedad earnest. is so cu levestone together cu alex y liliana mathew is close at kia door cu they're worde acusa among another of maltrato, traficacion human y of is form part of one organizacion criminal, relaciona cu foxy lady.

levestone atravez of his advocate owing to haci one peticion at corte for her can achieve permission for is cu his father, door cu the father is much bad at home.

past owing to splica daily paper cu first past owing to achieve permission for bay look at his father 2 hour cada two week, but now the is achieve 4 hour all week, for her bay close his father, atende cune y happen time cune.


levestone owing to count ; daily paper cu the is achieve cu the have to achieve the oportunidad of leave pound for her can is cu his father, till hour the caso come fast.

past owing to splica cu liliana mathew if owing to leave pound end y can owing to bay till merca for visit his mother bad, siendo cu liliana have the same acusacionnan contra dje cu michael self have.

then past owing to tell cu the is achieve cu the same leynan cu owing to give liliana the derecho of leave pound for visit his mother, have to aplica pe also.

according levestone, the fiscal, or.m y corte is tell cu the not can worde let in freedom, because but comunidad will achieve one ‘shock’, door cu the acusacionnan is earnest.

sinembargo levestone his ponencia is cu liliana mathew also have the same acusacionnan contra dje y the is ask about his self if freedom of liliana not owing to shock comunidad.

past owing to indica at daily paper cu diaranzon the is bay corte again cu his advocate, for look at if the can achieve his freedom for her is cu his father.

past owing to splica cu corte at curaçao in first instancia owing to rechaza his peticion for her caso come fast, saying cu the will was mucho late, but now the caso is bay is at aruba self. levestone owing to cuestiona the asunto here, indicando cu the hueznan at aruba is esunnan cu owing to atende his casonan end.

past owing to tell also cu the have the impresion cu the hulandesnan wanted pinte dark in comunidad, siendo cu in the caso here the is inocente. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2011, 12:10:57 AM
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12004951790636/teen-uses-self-defense-against-aruba-attacker/ (http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12004951790636/teen-uses-self-defense-against-aruba-attacker/)

Teen uses self defense against Aruba attacker

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Video

http://wn.whdh.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=6094694&at1=Station 1&h1=Newton woman attacked&flvUri=&partnerclipid= (http://wn.whdh.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=6094694&at1=Station 1&h1=Newton woman attacked&flvUri=&partnerclipid=)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2011, 12:31:43 AM
Hopefully the attacker doesn't have a Daddy Judge wannabe. If so, he'll be out in no time.   :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2011, 12:36:13 AM
Hopefully the attacker doesn't have a Daddy Judge wannabe. If so, he'll be out in no time.   :roll:

He won't get any time.  Afterall, I'm sure she was asking for it.  What do tourists expect.  If they go to Aruban bar or if they wear skimpy clothes on the beach or in the water they must want it. (please note heavy sarcasm)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
Hopefully the attacker doesn't have a Daddy Judge wannabe. If so, he'll be out in no time.   :roll:

He won't get any time.  Afterall, I'm sure she was asking for it.  What do tourists expect.  If they go to Aruban bar or if they wear skimpy clothes on the beach or in the water they must want it. (please note heavy sarcasm)



::rhino::

Right........ and the standards to be a "slut" mean that beachwear (like a jean skirt and non-formfitting cotton halter top) is enough to make you one. Just ask Deepak. He needs to land in the nether regions of Alaska where the eskimo population dresses decently and the bars are all on floating ice fishing expeditions.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wish this story was making BIG news!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 02:25:28 AM
Maybe this was it? 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1332066#msg1332066

Quote
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/27-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Tourist beaten

ORANGE CITY - A 18-year-old American tourist was Friday unexpectedly attacked by a 23-year-old boy. The teen reported that when they emerge from the bathroom of La Ronda was the Aruban had just beaten her.

Agents went to half past twelve at night when she reported the Hondurasstraat of abuse received.  As they spoke with witnesses who reported a The tourist man was assaulted and then had gone away. He would stop In a garden of a house under construction. The officers saw the man hidden behind the bushes, but he ran away when he agents saw. Moments later they could keep him anyway.  The officers then went to La Ronda victim to hear. The man were enrolled.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 02:34:52 AM
Maybe this was it? 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1332066#msg1332066

Quote
http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/27-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Tourist beaten

ORANGE CITY - A 18-year-old American tourist was Friday unexpectedly attacked by a 23-year-old boy. The teen reported that when they emerge from the bathroom of La Ronda was the Aruban had just beaten her.

Agents went to half past twelve at night when she reported the Hondurasstraat of abuse received.  As they spoke with witnesses who reported a The tourist man was assaulted and then had gone away. He would stop In a garden of a house under construction. The officers saw the man hidden behind the bushes, but he ran away when he agents saw. Moments later they could keep him anyway.  The officers then went to La Ronda victim to hear. The man were enrolled.

Original article

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/27-04-2011a.pdf

Page 3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MISC%20NEWS%2027%20012011/04272011_Amigoe_TouristAttacked.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 03:07:11 AM
This article gave the initials of the attacker.

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/?paged=16

4/27/2011 Awe Mainta Page 3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MISC%20NEWS%2027%20012011/04272011_AweMainta__Page3_TouristAttacked.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

tourist mericano maltrata without none motibo

diabierna owing to enter informe at keep of police at oranjestad at hondurasstraat for a cu owing to maltrata one tourist, owing to dirigi police at sitio. at arrival is talk cu one witness cu is declara cu one man owing to maltrata one tourist child muhe in la ronda y owing to core bay sconde in cura of one cas in construccion, they owing to show police where the homber is scondi. police owing to bay busca y is come across cu he j. m. naci at aruba of 23 ana scondi in kill. hour cu past owing to see police past owing to try core bay but police owing to succeed gare at time. past owing to being deteni y take away keep, police owing to return la ronda y is talk cu the tourist l. k. naci at merca of 18 ana y is declara cu past owing to leave of bano without none motibo he j. m. owing to dale.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 03:40:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
So LA RONDA is where it happened.  Looks like a smaller out of the way bar/rum shop.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/La-Ronda-Cafe-Aruba/185204558157232 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/La-Ronda-Cafe-Aruba/185204558157232)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 12:49:17 PM
I see 24ora waited for an article that didn't mention Natalee to post about this story breaking in the U. S. ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34753-hoben-ta-uza-defensa-propio-contra-atake-na-aruba.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli28.konowitz.jpg)

young is employ defence own contra atake at aruba

thursday, 28 july 2011 12:07

entrenamento of one muhe young of massachusetts owing to resulta, hour cu the was of vakantie at aruba. the young of 18 year owing to tell cu the el’a wordo acorala in one bathroom at aruba, but at luga of become one victima, el’a struggle. departamento of police of newton is ofrece cursonan basico of defence own, for cualkier child muhe or muhe more old cu 13 year.

the habilidadnan here owing to resulta for one young that was apunto of cuminsa cu his first year at universidad.

“e entrenamento owing to save my life,” lily konowitz owing to tell.

el’a take the cursonan while cu the was one senior at newton south high school. three week after of the curso con for fight cu one atakante, the have to owing to haci this in life regal.

“mientras cu i have stop y was cla for bay, el’a open the door once more, owing to look at my y owing to strike my,” konowitz owing to tell. “wowo left.”

during vakantie at april, konowitz owing to trip for aruba cu family of one amistad. the entrenamento of konowitz owing to resulta during the atake.

“mi owing to stay push'e. i have send knee on dje. never i have think cu my will think cu my will die till hour cu i have leave afo,”

konowitz owing to tell. konowitz owing to leave y the atakante owing to wordo grab. the sargento of police at newton, that owing to supervisa the entrenamento of lily is sorprendi.

“mi is much proud of dje. el’a reacciona exactly as my was wanted for her reacciona. el’a atake till hour cu the was can owing to bay for of dje y ask aid,” sargento william spalding owing to tell.

famianan of konowitz owing to arise one fundacion in his name for so cumpre ekiponan for so another women can achieve the same entrenamento.

“despues of thing owing to happen, i have realisa cu my child muhe was one heroe, not one victima, y i have realisa, cu if not was for her declaration of policy, will we was have one result horifico,” according steven konowitz.

konowitz owing to tell cu testigonan owing to see the atakante y they owing to calling police. the individual now here is wardando his sentencia. konowitz is wait for cu his storia can influencia another women for they busca entrenamento in defence own.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
Forgot to add that the article had been run through the Papiamentu translator.

http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/index.php?pAction=tradusi


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 01:32:38 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20513564,00.html

JonBenet Ramsey's Father Remarries
By Tim Nudd

Thursday July 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT

 John Ramsey

Jeff Kowalsky/Zuma
Facebook Tweet Five years after his wife Patsy died of ovarian cancer, John Ramsey, the father of slain Colorado child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, has remarried.

Ramsey, 67, tied the knot with Jan Rousseaux, 53, a twice-divorced Las Vegas designer, on July 21 in Charlevoix, Mich., reports the National Enquirer.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
I see 24ora waited for an article that didn't mention Natalee to post about this story breaking in the U. S. ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34753-hoben-ta-uza-defensa-propio-contra-atake-na-aruba.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli28.konowitz.jpg)

young is employ defence own contra atake at aruba

thursday, 28 july 2011 12:07

entrenamento of one muhe young of massachusetts owing to resulta, hour cu the was of vakantie at aruba. the young of 18 year owing to tell cu the el’a wordo acorala in one bathroom at aruba, but at luga of become one victima, el’a struggle. departamento of police of newton is ofrece cursonan basico of defence own, for cualkier child muhe or muhe more old cu 13 year.

the habilidadnan here owing to resulta for one young that was apunto of cuminsa cu his first year at universidad.

“e entrenamento owing to save my life,” lily konowitz owing to tell.

el’a take the cursonan while cu the was one senior at newton south high school. three week after of the curso con for fight cu one atakante, the have to owing to haci this in life regal.

“mientras cu i have stop y was cla for bay, el’a open the door once more, owing to look at my y owing to strike my,” konowitz owing to tell. “wowo left.”

during vakantie at april, konowitz owing to trip for aruba cu family of one amistad. the entrenamento of konowitz owing to resulta during the atake.

“mi owing to stay push'e. i have send knee on dje. never i have think cu my will think cu my will die till hour cu i have leave afo,”

konowitz owing to tell. konowitz owing to leave y the atakante owing to wordo grab. the sargento of police at newton, that owing to supervisa the entrenamento of lily is sorprendi.

“mi is much proud of dje. el’a reacciona exactly as my was wanted for her reacciona. el’a atake till hour cu the was can owing to bay for of dje y ask aid,” sargento william spalding owing to tell.

famianan of konowitz owing to arise one fundacion in his name for so cumpre ekiponan for so another women can achieve the same entrenamento.

“despues of thing owing to happen, i have realisa cu my child muhe was one heroe, not one victima, y i have realisa, cu if not was for her declaration of policy, will we was have one result horifico,” according steven konowitz.

konowitz owing to tell cu testigonan owing to see the atakante y they owing to calling police. the individual now here is wardando his sentencia. konowitz is wait for cu his storia can influencia another women for they busca entrenamento in defence own.

Comment to the article....I think they are questioning if the story is true or not.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Guess they don't read the newspapers...

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34753-hoben-ta-uza-defensa-propio-contra-atake-na-aruba.html

 ::snipping2::

Scirbi pa amimes, July 28, 2011   
Boso mester busca pa wak si e storia aki ta berdad, paso hopi hende kier usa nomber di nos Aruba den un forma negativo pa haya cosnan pa nan mes. Boso mester double check si e storia aki ta berdad!

Papiamentu translation:

come across... scirbi for amimes, july 28, 2011
you have to busca for look at if the storia here is berdad, pace much person wanted using name of we aruba in one form negative for achieve cosnan for they self. you have to double check if the storia here is berdad!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 02:05:19 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUdcqkZgnATjQlcgO9d1Ww4TMntQ?docId=01a0028a69e54ca2b57aa42a1c7ae83c

Police probe killing of US med student in Curacao

By DANICA COTO, Associated Press – 1 day ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — A Dubai man has been charged with killing a medical school classmate from New Jersey and is being held under psychiatric observation on the Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao, authorities said Tuesday.

Prosecutor Guillano Schoop said Moustapha Khalesa stabbed 24-year-old Kan Mei Chan to death in a Caribbean Medical University dorm Friday as she rushed to help a professor who Khalesa had also stabbed.

Khalesa, 20, was arrested at the scene, and he is still being evaluated by psychiatrists, Schoop said.

Khalesa had locked himself out of his room that night and was waiting for help when he got into an argument with a teacher living in the dorm, said Radoslaw Lewkowski, a director at the university.

The two-story dorm, about 30 minutes away from campus, is home to dozens of students and teachers.

Lewkowski said the Jersey City woman was the first to enter the room after several students heard cries for help and rushed to the second floor. She was stabbed twice in the stomach, while the teacher underwent surgery and is expected to recover, he said. The teacher's name was not released.

Lewkowski said Khalesa, who originally from the Gulf emirate of Dubai, had transferred from a university in Egypt more than a month ago, citing political instability.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 02:07:31 PM
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/medical-student-arrested-over-classmate-murder-is-not-from-dubai

Medical student arrested over classmate murder is not from Dubai

The National staff
Jul 28, 2011

 ::snipping2::

MK, who his lawyer and school officials said was from Canada rather than Dubai, was a top student expected to graduate this week.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 02:36:24 PM
http://www.necn.com/07/27/11/Newton-Mass-teen-assaulted-in-Aruba/landing_newengland.html?blockID=544173&feedID=4206

video at the link

Newton, Mass. teen assaulted in Aruba

Jul 27, 2011 9:27pm

(NECN: Alysha Palumbo, Newton, Mass.) - 18-year-old Lily Konowitz of Newton, Mass. fought off simulated attackers in a self defense class earlier this year.

Konowitz took the Rape Aggression Defense class, known as RAD, at her mother's urging just weeks before she went off to Aruba with a friend's family in April.

"Even before we went out that night I said to my friend's parents, I have us covered I took a self defense but I never thought I'd ever have to use it."

It was the next to last night of the trip.

Lily and two of her friends had gone out and Lily had gone to the bathroom.

Her friend was just outside the door, but Lily says that didn't stop an Aruban man from entering the ladies room.

"As I got up and I was ready to go, he opened the door and looked at me and punched me."

Lily was shocked, but immediately her mind wandered back to her RAD class from three weeks earlier.

"I start screaming but no one came in, no one could hear me, so I just kept pushing him and pushing him, and at the same time he kept punching me, and I kneed once, and eventually I was able to push him out the door."

Once outside the seclusion of the bathroom, Lily says the man took off -- and she ran to the safety of her friends.

She had a swollen black eye and a puffy and bruised knee... but she had survived.

"I know that if I didn't fight back he was after more, I know what he was after and I try not to think of that but I'm just really grateful that the end result wasn't what he wanted."

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 02:40:14 PM
http://newton.patch.com/articles/cbs-reports-newton-teen-had-no-option-but-to-fight

CBS Reports: Newton Teen Had "No Option But to Fight"

CBS News reported earlier today that a Newton teen had to fend off an attacker while vacationing in Arbua.

By Melanie Graham Email the author July 27, 2011 

According to a CBS report from early Wednesday, a Newton teen was forced to fight off an attacker while vacationing in Aruba recently.

Lily Konowitz, 18, was out to eat with friends when a man attacked her while she was in the bathroom, the article says.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/79931--party-leader-booshi-wever-leaves-mep-party

Party-leader Booshi Wever leaves MEP-party         

THURSDAY, 28 JULY 2011 13:14

ORANJESTAD — Party-leader Booshi Wever is leaving the Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo (MEP). He will continue as independent State-member. He is the third member to leave the group of the opposition party in such a short time. This morning, Wever presented a letter to State chairperson Paul Croes (AVP), announcing his departure. Wever says he feels ‘humiliated’ by the party-leaders, who denies knowledge of the contents of a letter indicating twenty points against his candidature for the party leadership.
By our reporter


Ariën Rasmijn

Meanwhile, the party-chairperson of MEP indicated he would ask Wever to give up his seat. On being asked, Wever said he would not comply.

Yesterday afternoon, Wever confirmed to the Amigoe that he would definitely leave the MEP-party. Last Friday, Wever sent a letter to party-leader Nelson Oduber, requesting a definite viewpoint on a letter that State-member and party-leader candidate Evelyn Wever-Croes (MEP) had presented during a consultation to patch up the conflict between the party and Wever. The twenty points in this letter presented to Croes by members of the party council, indicates why they oppose a possible party leadership of Booshi Wever. Wever states Croes informed him orally on the number of these points. “It wasn’t until the meeting of July 9th that I was allowed to see the entire list. The points that had affected me most were that more than 50% of the party council members who had spoken with Evelyn would leave the party if I became the leader and that I do not put the party interest in the first place. Now how would I explain the latter to my children, who had not seen much of their father the past years?” an emotional Wever wondered yesterday.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
I see 24ora waited for an article that didn't mention Natalee to post about this story breaking in the U. S. ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34753-hoben-ta-uza-defensa-propio-contra-atake-na-aruba.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.juli.juli28.konowitz.jpg)

young is employ defence own contra atake at aruba

thursday, 28 july 2011 12:07

entrenamento of one muhe young of massachusetts owing to resulta, hour cu the was of vakantie at aruba. the young of 18 year owing to tell cu the el’a wordo acorala in one bathroom at aruba, but at luga of become one victima, el’a struggle. departamento of police of newton is ofrece cursonan basico of defence own, for cualkier child muhe or muhe more old cu 13 year.

the habilidadnan here owing to resulta for one young that was apunto of cuminsa cu his first year at universidad.

“e entrenamento owing to save my life,” lily konowitz owing to tell.

el’a take the cursonan while cu the was one senior at newton south high school. three week after of the curso con for fight cu one atakante, the have to owing to haci this in life regal.

“mientras cu i have stop y was cla for bay, el’a open the door once more, owing to look at my y owing to strike my,” konowitz owing to tell. “wowo left.”

during vakantie at april, konowitz owing to trip for aruba cu family of one amistad. the entrenamento of konowitz owing to resulta during the atake.

“mi owing to stay push'e. i have send knee on dje. never i have think cu my will think cu my will die till hour cu i have leave afo,”

konowitz owing to tell. konowitz owing to leave y the atakante owing to wordo grab. the sargento of police at newton, that owing to supervisa the entrenamento of lily is sorprendi.

“mi is much proud of dje. el’a reacciona exactly as my was wanted for her reacciona. el’a atake till hour cu the was can owing to bay for of dje y ask aid,” sargento william spalding owing to tell.

famianan of konowitz owing to arise one fundacion in his name for so cumpre ekiponan for so another women can achieve the same entrenamento.

“despues of thing owing to happen, i have realisa cu my child muhe was one heroe, not one victima, y i have realisa, cu if not was for her declaration of policy, will we was have one result horifico,” according steven konowitz.

konowitz owing to tell cu testigonan owing to see the atakante y they owing to calling police. the individual now here is wardando his sentencia. konowitz is wait for cu his storia can influencia another women for they busca entrenamento in defence own.

Comment to the article....I think they are questioning if the story is true or not.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Guess they don't read the newspapers...

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34753-hoben-ta-uza-defensa-propio-contra-atake-na-aruba.html

 ::snipping2::

Scirbi pa amimes, July 28, 2011   
Boso mester busca pa wak si e storia aki ta berdad, paso hopi hende kier usa nomber di nos Aruba den un forma negativo pa haya cosnan pa nan mes. Boso mester double check si e storia aki ta berdad!

Papiamentu translation:

come across... scirbi for amimes, july 28, 2011
you have to busca for look at if the storia here is berdad, pace much person wanted using name of we aruba in one form negative for achieve cosnan for they self. you have to double check if the storia here is berdad!

More comments...

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34753-hoben-ta-uza-defensa-propio-contra-atake-na-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for amimes, july 28, 2011
you have to busca for look at if the storia here is berdad, pace much person wanted using name of we aruba in one form negative for achieve cosnan for they self. you have to double check if the storia here is berdad! +8 come across... s

cirbi for juanbimba, july 28, 2011
they not know what storia more for saca for can desfama, aruba come across, +1 come across... 

scirbi for dushipabo, july 28, 2011
have much storia at aruba with is wordi skonde similar among aruban self. they do not wordo raporta at police or the pesona abusado is baj cel for one night only. if his storia is berdad sweet for esun with owing to hanje. my training is more adelanta with of dje only sperando one strike they finger hour i come of vakantie. +1 come across...

scirbi for live 09/11, july 28, 2011
type of person they so is come aruba for mancha we name aruban, awo is cua banjo the la employ? night club? pace all night club have banjo cu seguro. y all night club as everybody know rond world is maldad only is happen, vooral at merca desenas of person they're die at hand they of malhecornan. or the twt in his camber of hotel and for his know the la let the door of entrance open? think tog! then also the la let the door of banjo harbi? mihor bsa cu his mind is totalmente dirt, person they without escrupulo is come aruba for soil we hendenan. jammer cu at merca cos is baiendo in bad for worse, more cu 14 millon of person they without job, mihor they zorg for they self.. +0 come across...

scirbi for come across!!!berdad!!!, july 28, 2011
is another barbaridad if the departamento of police of newton is take djies one storia of one person, without cu the can have one proof of police of aruba, cu that owing to sosode! barbaridad of the gobierno atual is arrive now till at newton south high school! -1 come across...

scirbi for raspotin, july 28, 2011
you stop of deny all cos as one avestrus, much cos is happen at aruba vooral in hot zone of palm beach, god spaar aruba for nothing bad pasu cu one tourist in the area here for place we pilar economico more important at danger. the hotzone have to wordo muda more liher possibel or come cu regulation y vigilancia stricto at the lugar come across


  AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT, IT DOES!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 28, 2011, 07:02:02 PM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/34754-video-entrevista-cu-hoben-ataca-na-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

video: interview cu young ataca at aruba

thursday, 28 july 2011 12:37

“mi owing to stay push'e. i have send knee on dje. never i have think cu my will think cu my will die till hour cu i have leave afo,” so lily konowitz owing to declara during one interview at one canal local of merca. click play for see the interview... tumando contacto cu operadornan of the bus esta aruba adventures we owing to wordo informa cu they're at height of the susesido. the susedido owing to happen in month of april 2011. can tell cu none person of the staff of the bus, none cliente on the bus y niether the staff of the bar where they owing to stop owing to arrive of look at the person cu owing to ataca the young. police owing to succeed of gare much liher. aruba adventures self owing to entrega one complaint y did take contacto cu the family of the young. the compania owing to ask his disculpa y after of one email cortico of the family they not owing to hear nothing more. aruba adventues is make they maximo attempt for ofrece one tour tanto safe because; entretenido. always they owing to escohe the bar they where they're stop cu cautela.


http://www.arubaadventures.com/

http://www.kukookunuku.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 03:06:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 10:40:52 AM
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/carousel/x404072875/Aruban-national-Taftville-man-stole-my-cocaine#axzz1TVMkSUsA

Aruban national: Taftville man stole my cocaine

(http://www.norwichbulletin.com/archive/x1314058840/g12c0000000000000002086f751ae8f84dcf968a93092d3eb897ffa7f81.jpg)
Connecticut Department of Correction
Yesse Larmonie


By GREG SMITH
The Bulletin
Posted Jul 28, 2011 @ 11:03 PM
Last update Jul 29, 2011 @ 09:18 AM

Norwich, Conn. —

An Aruban national remains behind bars after her arrest with a Norwich man last week on charges they were peddling a large amount of cocaine.

Yesse Larmonie, 22, was charged at The William W. Backus Hospital, where police had taken her Saturday after the revelation that she had ingested bags of cocaine, police reports show. 

Larmonie and Taftville resident Bobby Blanco, 34, each was arraigned Monday on charges of cocaine possession, possession of more than one ounce of cocaine with intent to sell and operating a drug factory. Their arrests were announced Thursday by police.

Investigation started Saturday, when police were called to the Walmart on Salem Turnpike in Norwich for the report of a disturbance. Larmonie was upset, police said, because she had woken up at her room at the Holiday Inn in Norwich to find that Blanco, a Walmart employee, had taken off with her cocaine, her passport and $14,000 in cash.

Larmonie had been in the country for just two days and had befriended Blanco at Walmart, she claims, after explaining that she needed to sell a large amount of cocaine, according to an arrest warrant affidavit in the case. Blanco helped her sell 100 grams in New London and, with another unidentified person, had stayed with Larmonie at the hotel room.

She awoke to find her personal items missing, including 300 grams of cocaine.

Under questioning, police said, Larmonie said “she still had 32 grams of cocaine in her digestive system.” Police have not discussed details of Larmonie’s case, but said Thursday the typical way to obtain the ingested cocaine is to wait for a bowel movement.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: Aruban national: Taftville man stole my cocaine - Norwich, CT - The Bulletin http://www.norwichbulletin.com/archive/x404072875/Aruban-national-Taftville-man-stole-my-cocaine#ixzz1TVNOh4Ch


Read more: Police report: July 29 - Norwich, CT - The Bulletin http://www.norwichbulletin.com/archive/x1314058392/Police-report-July-29#ixzz1TVMuSSPD


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 10:46:54 AM
http://hi5.com/friend/f274810350--Jesse_Larmonie--html

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Larmonie/689228574


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 10:52:09 AM
http://drugpolicycentral.com/bot/article/norwichbulletin6724.htm

 ::snipping2::

July 23

Yesse Larmonie, 22, no certain address, Aruba, 11:15 p.m., possession of cocaine, possession of cocaine with intent to sell, operating a drug factory; court date Aug. 18, Norwich Superior Court.

Bobby Blanco, 34, 20 Hunters Ave., Apt. A2, Taftville, 2 p.m., possession of cocaine, possession of cocaine with intent to sell, operating a drug factory; court date Aug. 22, Norwich Superior Court.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
I wonder if she's related to John Larmonie of the Aruba police....

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/25734-john-larmonie-morto-di-poentje-castro.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec23.larmonie.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 29, 2011, 01:59:28 PM
I wonder if she's related to John Larmonie of the Aruba police....

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/25734-john-larmonie-morto-di-poentje-castro.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.december.dec23.larmonie.jpg)

I remember that name John Larmonie from early on in the Natalee Holloway case. I think it was captioned in a photo in one of the news papers. I just remember it came up with Freebirds one time too.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 29, 2011, 02:00:42 PM
CAME IN FROM GOTTENBROS FACEBOOK
What is interesting is Joran had contact with him on his FB just before Joran murdered Stephany - still friends.
 

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on July 29, 2011, 02:06:27 PM
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5932/lionelcroes.jpg)
interesting where Arubans end up.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 02:25:13 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/05/natalee-holloway-discussion-from-foxs-big-story-tonight/

Natalee Holloway Discussion From Fox’s Big Story tonight.
 
The search for Natalee Holloway has nothing major to report, but it is the last update for the evening. They had two people on, the spokesman for the Aruba police and the editor of the Aruba Today.

John Larmonie of the Aruba Police Department was saying that the no new developments, saying only that the police are roaming the island.

The three people of interest are being questioned right now, and the search at the Allegro Hotel has been completed and there is no sign of Natalee.

Julie Renfro, editor in chief from the Aruba Today, says that the every cell phone on the island has been contacted over the search. She says that the search was being done by search and rescue, Aruba security foundation, the Red Cross, and volunteers. Says thousands are looking.

That is all, nothing major. The police are not backing off of the report earlier that they will have some breaking news in 24 hours, but that he was not authorized to discuss it.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 02:43:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80016-mambo-jambo-verkocht

Google translation:

Mambo Jambo sold

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/29-07-2011/722833.jpg)

FRIDAY, 29 JULI 2011 5:39 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Latin dance club Mambo Jambo is sold. As of August 1, David Garcia, former manager of Garufa, the new owner. He is the nightlife converted into a fun bar with lots of color, and more activities.

by our reporter
Merlijn van Lelyveld

This Amigoe Garcia this morning to let you know. About one or two months, the case a new name. What name is this, Garcia could not tell. "I have a few options and want the right deal. One that attracts. "Garcia wants to organize more activities with live bands and the music is a mix of English-and Spanish in various musical styles. He stressed that there will definitely dancing. "There's just more room to dance," the new owner. Because the bar is moved to the center allowing space for a dance floor. In addition, Garcia tackle the kitchen and the map. "I have several plans." The first two to three days, so from Monday next week, Mambo Jambo will therefore closed for renovation.

The main reason for the sale was for owner Joop Rooijakkers it became quiet in the city as late as operations manager of Aruba Wine and Dine (AWD), Kevin Slangen know. This does not mean it disappears Mambo Jambo. Both Garcia and Slangen to know that there are plans to Mambo Jambo in Palm Beach to open. South Beach has been approached about this, but they have no place Fri There is still nothing concrete regarding the plans for a new Mambo Jambo said Slangen. Three employees of Mambo Jambo continue working in that location for the new owner. These personnel would have liked to have Garcia. The remaining staff will be transferred to other cases of AWD.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 29, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
http://www.facebook.com/amigoearuba

Google translation:

American teenager attempted sexual assault

ORANGE CITY - The American Lily Konowitz (18) in April this year in a toilet in one of the restaurants in Aruba was attacked and beaten. She argues that without a self-defense course that shortly before her trip on the advice of her mother took, maybe she would not be alive ....

Source: Aruba Amigoe

Published: 07/28/2011 5:53:18 p.m. GMT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2011, 02:24:32 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000007825367&sk=wall

 ::snipping2::

Anthony Hagedoorn
Seems to be in the news in Boston:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/201​1/07/27/newton-teen-describes-​how-she-fought-off-brutal-atta​ck-in-aruba/

Newton Teen Describes How She Fought Off Brutal Attack In Aruba
boston.cbslocal.com
A young Newton woman attacked while on vacation in Aruba was able to fight back and survive.
Wednesday at 10:01pm · Like ·  · Share

Paul Vb yeah because in the USA, that never ever happens
Wednesday at 10:21pm · Like ·  2 people

Chantalle Schwengle-Pas Call Nancy Grace!! Oh and in other news Casey Anthony is Not Guilty.
Thursday at 6:31am · Like ·  1 person

Chantalle Schwengle-Pas I know of lots of Arubians that go on vk, get their luggage stolen , held at gun point and every thing stole. This Shit happens all over the world. People can be so stupid. They go to the beach with their I phones, kindle reader , ipod and camera and wallet then Get up and go snorkeling face down for an hour and expect their Shit to be there. Get up put your stuff in your car. A bit safer. I feel robbers should get their picture put on a website for everyone to see.
Thursday at 6:39am · Like

Mike Hagedoorn JUST ANOTHER ONE THAT WANTS ATTENTION AND HAVE HER 5 MINUTES OF FAME AT THE EXPENSE OF ARUBA, GET A LIFE.
Thursday at 8:30pm · Like

Eula Biezen The story is not credible to me. Why didn't she report to the police. if she had evidence of assault and bruises. She waits until returning to tell the world how 'heroic' she was in defending herself. People who know Aruba, can never entertain a 'lie' like this. Even Joran, I am convinced is innocent of the charge he was accused of.
15 hours ago · Like



"Eula Biezen"

http://www.facebook.com/eula.biezen

It's actually "Eula van der Biezen"

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6136&Itemid=14
(last comment on the page)


Keep in mind that this one is after Joran murdered AGAIN...

http://www.diario.aw/2010/11/un-gobierno-cu-hopi-autoridad-moral/
 ::snipping2::

comments:

Original text:

November 22, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Eula Van Der Biezen
Cada cuando mi ta drenta den pagina via internet pa sa kiko ta pasando na Aruba. Mi pregunta ta pakiko ningin representante oficial di Aruba no ta aparece den Medio pa splica e ultimo susesonan den e caso di Natalee Holloway. Na merca CNN y tur medionan ta laga nos pasa manera incubridornan di asesinato. Medionan di communicashon aki no ta mustrando un lus justo di nos isla, i ta parce cu ningun hende na Aruba ta tumba e tempo of curashi pa mustra cara y duna un entrevista of communicado tocante e caso.
Mescos cu Americanonan ta defende nan hende, laga nos tambe mustra cara i defende nos imagen. Aruba semper tawata un luga sigur, bunita y cu hendenan di noble curazon. Ken ta durf di mustra su cara i defende e imagen di Aruba, Nos imagen di hende decente y respeta manera nos himno a sinja nos?

Eula Van Der Biezen
Houston, TX


Papiamentu translation:

november 22, 2010 at 10:56 pm

eula van der biezen

cada cuando i am enter in pagina via internet for know what is pasando at aruba. my question is why ningin agent oficial of aruba do not aparece in medio for splica the ultimo susesonan in the caso of natalee holloway. at merca cnn y all medionan is let we happen as incubridornan of asesinato. medionan of communicashon here do not mustrando one light justo of we island, and is seems cu none person at aruba is tumba the time or curashi for show cara y give one interview or communicado tocante the caso. same cu americanonan is defende they person, let we also show cara and defende we imagen. aruba always tawata one luga assure, beautiful y cu hendenan of noble curazon. that is durf of show his cara and defende the imagen of aruba, we imagen of person decente y respeta as we anthem owing to learn we?

eula van der biezen
houston, tx.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2011, 02:25:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: chilling...

Wish she'd told her story before...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.potsc.com/testimony/one-night-in-aruba/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/073020111.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/073020112.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2011, 02:55:16 PM
She did post about it before...

http://www.feetonsolidground.com/2010_06_01_archive.html

 ::snipping2::

Monday, June 7, 2010

Spring break

I often try to run from my past but there are some days it hits me right in the face. I am a different person now, determined to live a different life but I can't forget the mess God found me in. The news on CNN reminds me how close I can to never being able to tell my story. I only believe I am alive today because of my praying family, a God who is mighty to save, and the still quiet voice reminding me who I really belonged to.

2005
It was senior year spring break, a mark for any high school kid. My friends were all going on an all inclusive trip to mexico (the kind every parent dreads) and my dad told me if I wouldn't go on the trip he would take me and my two best friends any where we wanted. We picked aruba, partly because there was no drinking age and partly because we wanted to see the clear water and sandy shores. The three of us had a knack for getting into trouble and when we first arrived we found a liquor store and bought the nastiest coconut rum I have ever had. It tasted like banana boat and pina coladas all tied into one but it did the trick. We sat around the pool at the house my dad had rented and drank rum until we laughed at anything. After a great dinner out we decided we would steal the rental car and go out to one of the local clubs. We had no concept of danger and at 2:00am with everyone fast asleep we drove the tiny Toyota corolla to Carlos and Charlies. We had heard it was the best club and we were eager enjoy the laws of Aruba. We made friends with all the bartenders and danced all night long. Around three the bar was starting to close and I was lonely. My two friends were dancing with a tiny Mexican man but being 5'10 I was left standing in the corner. I heard a voice behind me ask if he could buy me a drink and when I turned around I noticed he was different than the other guys in the bar. He wasn't from Aruba but defiantly wasn't from America. He was tall and kinda cute and I was on the mend from a broken heart so I figured why not. We ended up kissing and when I started to leave with my friends he followed me out, he kept asking me if I wanted to leave with him and I knew that wasn't happening. A kiss was fine but leaving with a stranger was something not even I was dumb enough to do. He told me he'd find me tomorrow and before he left I caught his name, Joran Van Der Sloot. We went home thinking nothing of our new found friend and the next day he found us on the beach again. Once I had sobered up something inside me told me he wasn't to be trusted and when he asked me if I would go out with him alone I refused. Thank the Lord I did. He got my number called me a few times and emailed me but I never responded. My friends asked me why I blew him off and I told him something about him gave me the creeps.

 Six months later my best friend calls me screaming to turn on the news, I did and there was my Aruba friend suspected in the disappearance of Natalie Holloway. I gulp. Suddenly life becomes a little clearer than it was five minutes ago, its not a game. I tried to put the memory behind me, I wasn't proud of my lapse in judgement or how careless I had been with my safety but I had survived and I didn't know why.
 
 Years later the past is flooding back as he is suspected again in another young girls murder. I can't help but wonder why not me? Why did God spare me? I didn't deserve it, I was as careless as these girls but I had lived to tell about it. I have debated over whether or not to tell this story. After all it just seems like another MTV spring break night mare story but I have a point I promise. Reliving these details is about as much fun for me as swallowing a bucket of nails. I hate admitting how careless I was but I have to hope that if the story hits a little closer to home then some young girl might not make the same mistakes I did. I write this with the prayer that my rugged past might make your future a little more smooth. Part of me never wanted to share this because of my pride, how could I be this dumb? Then again pride has no place in my faith and if I am going to help girls I need to start being a little more honest.

 I don't tell you this to scare you into behaving, like most mothers would hope, but to make the danger in this world and the enemy who loves it a little more real. It is shown that girls from ages 15-21 have a part of their brain that is underdeveloped, the part that experiences fear, so we feel invincible. I thought I was invincible. I was far from it and I cringe to think what might have happened if God had let me learn the limits of my humanity.

 It seems that all crimes are against women, every time I turn on the news I hear of another victim of abuse, rape, or murder. We live in a scary world but that why God assured us to "take heart he has overcome the world". I also tell you this because God is mightier than man, God is all powerful and as a friend of mine said who is going overseas "if he wants you to be bullet proof you will be". This doesn't mean you can test God or live life like it is a game but it does mean you can pray with confidence for your kids, friends, and family. I truly believed my mother is the only reason i am alive. She would spend hours on her knees begging God on my behalf. My brothers and fathers did the same but my mom wept for her lost child and because of her faith and trust in the Lord I live as a reminder what faith can do.

 I say all of this knowing that many have lost loved ones, many have been victims, and I do not know the ways of the Lord but have faith that he has you here for a purpose. This is why my calling is so clear, he saved me so I can help others and for that and so many other reasons I will tell my stories until I meet my protector.

Posted by Tindell Baldwin at 2:50 PM 0 comments

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2011, 03:23:19 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/holland-42

In from Holland

Published on : 22 July 2011 - 9:15am

Joran van der Sloot 
Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the alleged killer of Natalee Holloway, was back in the news again this week. Two American journalists claim in their new book ‘Portrait of a Monster’ that he severely tortured his last victim, Stephany Flores, before murdering her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Lifesong on July 30, 2011, 03:24:50 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34507-e-interes-ta-keda-pa-exploracion-di-petroleo-y-gas-door-di-compania-local-.html

Papiamentu translation:

the interest is stay for exploración of petroleum y gas door of compania local

friday, 22 july 2011 20:17

 ::snipping2::
This is the name of the company before the translation:

Compania Arubano di Petroleo NV (aka CAP)

http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=36047

Friday, July 22, 2011 10:07
 
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 MAY 2006 under serial number 34834.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
CAP COMPANIA ARUBANO DI PETROLEO N.V.

 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 76, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   CAP COMPANIA ARUBANO DI PETROLEO N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   15 MAY 2006
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

CURET, EDUARDO ARMANDO;
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 11 DECEMBER 1950
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   15 MAY 2006
Authority   RESTRICTED

 ::snipping2::
I've posted an article or two about this company before...and others have posted information about them as well...jen...hotping...just to name two here at SM...and jenna at RU posted about them before Persistence ever arrived in Aruba. 

It's all laid out in black and white.

That sick feeling is stronger than ever...

Will anyone EVER be held accountable for the fraud that was perpetrated on EVERYONE seeking Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway?????

If Natalee's remains were not recovered while the Persistence was out there working for Aruba, WHOSE REMAINS WERE THEY?????


I WANT ANSWERS, and I'm tired of waiting!  I WANT THEM NOW!
   ::Baseball::

 ::pullinghairout::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


  ::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2NJ::    ::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2NJ::      ::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2NJ::     ::MonkeyGavel::  ::justice2NJ:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 30, 2011, 03:42:21 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: chilling...

Wish she'd told her story before...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.potsc.com/testimony/one-night-in-aruba/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/073020111.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/073020112.jpg)

I had forgotten about this.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm glad she survived the encounter. I wish Natalee and Stephany had, too.   ::MonkeyTears::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 30, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Don't know if this is true or not, haven't found anything else about it...

http://twitter.com/#!/kaprimiracle862/statuses/96697579848466432 (http://twitter.com/#!/kaprimiracle862/statuses/96697579848466432)

Joran Van Der Sloot In Court Today For Stephany Flores Murder

28 Jul via web


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 30, 2011, 05:12:14 PM
I can't help myself - I find myself "researching".  This is Tindall's husband, look at what he does:

http://twitter.com/#!/bwbaldwin (http://twitter.com/#!/bwbaldwin)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 30, 2011, 07:47:30 PM
Will Dutch/Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway forever remain elusive? 
_____

NO FBI PARTICIPATION WITHOUT AN INVITATION

The ROV Dive - December 29, 2007

Kyle Kingman:
Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line


The ROV/Observation Dive - December 30, 2008

Kyle Kingman
:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle Kingman:  Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. .....

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.


ROV/Recovery Dive - January 7, 2008

Kyle Kingman
: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic .

Posted by Kermit/oceanexploration - Scared Monkeys


++++++++


Jurisdiction and Extradition!!

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html


Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys
 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 30, 2011, 07:52:47 PM

A Measure of Justice

Medical mystery tour brings Holloway to Okoboji
Saturday, June 11, 2011


<snipped>

Beth Holloway provides travel and safety education to medical professionals gathered Friday for the 7th Annual Lakes Health Conference in Okoboji. Her daughter, Natalee, disappeared in Aruba 6 years ago during a graduation trip.

<snipped?

Natalee has never been found, but theories about Van der Sloot's role in her disappearance gained traction after he was arrested for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian woman he met. He also faces federal extortion and wire fraud charges in the United States for trying to extort money from Beth Holloway in exchange for information that would lead to the recovery of Natalee's body.

"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now," Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."

<snipped>

http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 30, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 184
: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2011, 12:36:37 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8176.msg1182110#msg1182110

http://www.facebook.com

July 2010

Ladies Night Out at The Hollywood in San Nicolas

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/HollywoodBar_Aruba_July2010_Mashell.jpg)

Mashelle Zeolla, Jennifer Aldridge, Marlene Nichols (Purcell),Tina Causey Escobedo, Michael Anthony Bislick, Jodi Tobman, Tracy, Anita van der Sloot, Rona Coster Kahan , Neely Cosentino,

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/island-temptations-magazine-brings-readers-the-charms-of-san-nicolas/

Island Temptations Magazine Brings Readers the Charms of San Nicolas

 General News     July 6th, 2011

 ::snipping2::

“San Nicolas has so many dimensions, so we easily filled an entire edition with so many of the charming facets that make San Nicolas such a welcome departure from the slick glossiness of Palm Beach and the hotel area…it just oozes the old Caribbean spirit,” says editorial and creative director Tina Causey-Escobedo.

Local food and iconic landmarks and establishments are featured, but Island Temptations’ director of sales and marketing Rona Coster, spearheaded the hunt for the movers, shakers, and iconic personalities of San Nicolas that keep the torch burning through good times and bad on the sunrise side of the island.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.island-temptations.com/summer%202011/index.html

Island Temptations

Summer 2011 edition Page 14

IT Publications Inc.
5216 Blue Cypress Lane
League City, Texas 77573  USA

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https://ourcpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=IT%20Publications%20&Button=search&Search_ID=32039134914

Franchise Tax Certification of Account Status

Entity Information:    IT PUBLICATIONS, INC.
5216 BLUE CYPRESS LN
LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573-6240

Status:   IN GOOD STANDING NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL through November 15, 2011

Registered Agent:   ELIZABETH ANN BROWN
5216 BLUE CYPRESS LANE
LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573

Registered Agent Resignation Date:   

State of Formation:   TX

File Number:    0801100670

SOS Registration Date:   March 20, 2009

Taxpayer Number:   32039134914

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Galveston Central Appraisal District
600 Gulf Freeway Suite 113, Texas City, TX 77591, (866) 277-4725

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertyDetail.aspx?PropertyID=416266&dbKeyAuth=Appraisal&TaxYear=2011&NodeID=11&PropertyOwnerID=602957

Owner ID:   O0025265
Owner Name:   BROWN, ELIZABETH A & DAVID B
Owner Address:   5216 BLUE CYPRESS LN
LEAGUE CITY,TX 77573

Property Address:   5216 BLUE CYPRESS LN
LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
Parcel Information
Legal Description:   MAGNOLIA CREEK SEC 4 PH 1 (2000) ABST 607, BLOCK 1, LOT 3, ACRES 0.264
Neighborhood:   4872.1( 4872.1 - Magnolia Creek GFRONT (2008) )
Acreage:   0.264
Cross Reference:   4877-0001-0003-000
Undivided Interest:   100%
Exemption Codes:   
HS (Homestead)
Entity Codes:   
GGA (Galveston County)
T01 (League City Rz 01 - Magnolia Creek)
S16 (Clear Creek Isd)
RFL (Co Road & Flood)
C40 (League City)
Deed Type:   Warranty Deed/vendors Lien
Deed Book:   
Deed Page:   2008025373
Map Page:   164-C
Values Breakdown    2011 Value
Land HS:    $97,910 +
Land NHS:    $0 +
Improvement HS:    $291,700 +
Improvement NHS:    $0 +
Ag Market:    $0   
Ag Use:    $0 +
Timber Market:    $0   
Timber Use:    $0 +
Assessed:    $389,610 =
Improvements   
ID   Type   SPTB   Segs   Value
Imp1   R (Residential)   A1 (Real Residential Single Family)   7    $ 281,700
Imp2   I (Misc. Improvement)   A1 (Real Residential Single Family)   2    $ 10,000
Land   
ID   Type   SPTB   Acres   Market
Land1   GF (Golf Frontage)   A1 (Real Residential Single Family)       $ 97,910

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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-brown/5/580/97a

David Brown

Managing Director at Tierra del Sol Real Estate, NV
Aruba Real Estate

Current
Managing Director at Tierra del Sol Real Estate, NV

Connections
100 connections

Websites
Tierra del Sol
Anabui - PRC
Catalina Estates

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/o/David-Basil-Brown/index.html

David Basil Brown
Caya Mesa Vista #40
Mesa Vista, Tierra del Sol Country Club Aruba

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Taylor Brown (Son of David and Ann Brown)

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/1293/manageArticle.html

July 2007
 ::snipping2::
Tierra del Sol Managing Director Ann Brown and her son Taylor Brown.
 ::snipping2::


Taylor was constant encouragement for Joran on FB last year....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8176.msg1176414#msg1176414



http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/o/David-Basil-Brown/index.html

From the family tree, Taylor Gleason Brown's birthday is September 23, 1989

That would make him closer to Valentijn's age, I'm wondering if the David Brown that was listed with Val's class may have actually been Taylor?

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2008/06/12/graduation-at-isa/
 ::snipping2::
The graduating class included David Brown, Giancarlos Calabrese, Gianni Ferarra, Julian Molina, Maki Wiggins, Marc Anthony Richardson, Osbaldi Boekhoudt, Valentijn van de Sloot and Zeus Zambrano.
 ::snipping2::

That link is interesting also because I recall ever seeing any article there highlighted in red, or with larger font in areas the way that article is...odd imo.

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The IT Publication address being in League City automatically brings Tim Miller and TES to mind, so I had to check out the proximity. 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07302011_BrownHome_TES_Proximity.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2011, 12:41:32 AM
I was trying to get a link to work for the google map, and then I forgot to put a link at all!    :2redface:

I think this probably takes you to the starting point of where I got the directions.

You have to click on "Directions" and put the other address in to get the map.

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=649&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Texas+Equusearch+Dickinson+tx&fb=1&gl=us&hq=Texas+Equusearch&hnear=0x863f7d87125c84cd:0x497e2073a0c31fd0,Dickinson,+TX&cid=10264240683499563415


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2011, 01:33:15 AM
I can't help myself - I find myself "researching".  This is Tindall's husband, look at what he does:

http://twitter.com/#!/bwbaldwin (http://twitter.com/#!/bwbaldwin)

Ann Brown's father recently passed away, he had an interesting career as well...  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.pratttribune.com/newsnow/x1797072747/Obituary-Spencer-L-Taylor


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2011, 02:21:16 AM
http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/houston/other/texas-equusearch-in-dickinson-tx-17137

Better Business Bureau Report for
Texas EquuSearch
Better Business Bureau Report issued February 2011
Better Business Bureau Report expires February 2012

NONDISCLOSURE
This Charity did not provide requested information. As a result, the Better Business Bureau cannot determine if it meets standards.

Charity Contact Information
Name:   Texas EquuSearch
Address:   4013 FM 517, Suite B
    Dickinson, TX 77539
Phone:   281-309-9500
Web Address:   www.texasequusearch.org
Back To TopBetter Business Bureau Comments
Year, State Incorporated:
Affiliates: None
Stated Purpose: None
Back To Top
BBB Wise Giving Alliance Comment                  

Despite written Houston BBB requests in the past year, this organization either has not responded to Houston BBB requests for information or has declined to be evaluated in relation to the Houston BBB’s Standards for Charity Accountability. While participation in the Houston BBB’s charity review efforts is voluntary, the Houston BBB believes that failure to participate may demonstrate a lack of commitment to transparency. Without the requested information, the Houston BBB cannot determine if this charity adheres to the Standards for Charity Accountability. A charity's willing disclosure of information beyond that typically included in its financial statements and government filings is, in the Alliance's view, an expression of openness that strengthens public trust in the charitable sector.
The Houston BBB reports on national charities and determines if they meet 20 voluntary standards on matters such as charity finances, appeals, and governance. The Houston BBB does not evaluate the worthiness of the charitable program.
 ::snipping2::
 A copy of this report has been shared with the organization prior to publication. It is not intended to recommend or deprecate, and is furnished solely to assist you in exercising your own judgment.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/houston/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2011, 02:25:32 AM
Hi Sis!   ::HelloKitty::

I just checked over in musings for an update on your SIL, I hope she's still doing well after the surgery.

Still praying...   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2011, 04:24:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on July 31, 2011, 11:54:25 AM
Hi Sis!   ::HelloKitty::

I just checked over in musings for an update on your SIL, I hope she's still doing well after the surgery.

Still praying...   ::MonkeyAngel::



Thank you!

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 31, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
Renfro is looking a bit old and chunky.  That's what happens when you are out in the sun too much and party every night.  Alcohol has a lot of calories  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/5995142452_4875c14d2e_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on July 31, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Rat infested island!  And I'm not talking about this rat  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8110/2_1312159502.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8110&offId=0 (http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8110&offId=0)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on July 31, 2011, 11:06:18 PM
Renfro is looking a bit old and chunky.  That's what happens when you are out in the sun too much and party every night.  Alcohol has a lot of calories  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/5995142452_4875c14d2e_b.jpg)



As in the words of Foghorn Leghorn:   ........................she looks like 40 miles of bad road!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2011, 12:49:51 AM
Rat infested island!  And I'm not talking about this rat  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/8110/2_1312159502.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8110&offId=0 (http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8110&offId=0)

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2011, 12:54:47 AM
And you're right too wreck...   ::MonkeyCool::

And some of the things she wears, good grief!   From the black tube dress to that.   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2011, 02:14:17 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/79983-aruban-females-lured-to-the-netherlands-and-exploited


Aruban females lured to The Netherlands and exploited         

FRIDAY, 29 JULY 2011 13:05

ORANJESTAD/ROERMOND — Aruban females are recruited on the island and lured to The Netherlands under false pretenses where they are forced – under threat of violence – to open bank accounts, purchase expensive telephone subscriptions and effect high mortgages. Four suspects in this human trafficking case are to give account before the judge in The Netherlands during a pro forma session.
By our reporter


Alex Laclé

Two suspects had already given account last week and the other two are to appear before the judge tomorrow, Eugène Baak spokesperson of the Public Prosecutor of Roermond stated before this newspaper.

For now, it regards an unknown number of Aruban females who were lured to The Netherlands under false pretences and were exploited.

They had to surrender their telephones and money to the suspects. The victims were under the power of the suspect males and according to reports, threatened, extorted and abused. “They were promised the moon, but eventually plunged into debt,” says Baak ‘In the interest of the investigation’, the spokesperson did not wish to comment on the question how these victims were approached on Aruba and whether the Aruban community is to worry about such practices. “We must await the results of the investigation and the hearings to find out how these people operated and on which scale.” For that matter, Baak had informed this newspaper previously that ‘extreme public order and safety problems’ are apparently not the issue.

Earlier on, this newspaper also reported that a 57-year old Aruban appeared to be involved with this case. This male was arrested and heard in April but is no longer behind bars. Whether the male is still considered a suspect and if there are more suspects, the office of the public prosecutor did not wish to say. This morning, the OM on Aruba was unable to provide details on this case due to the absence of the field officer and the case officer in question.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2011, 02:46:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 01, 2011, 09:29:12 AM
I've always said they have no respect for women.  Women are objects to them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2011, 01:24:01 AM
Looks like there's another Purcell on the way... 

http://zoomaruba.com/

Moomba Beach 31 July 2011 Balashi

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Purcell/07312011_MoombaBeach_Purcell-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Purcell/07312011_MoombaBeach_Purcell1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2011, 01:58:26 AM
Joran and Fabienne

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/Joranfabienne-2.jpg)

http://zoomaruba.com/

Nikki Beach 30 July 2011 Full Moon

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/07302011_NikkiBeachFullMoon_FabienneMaessen.jpg)

Joran and Larissa

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/JoranLarissaSusanna-1.jpg)

http://zoomaruba.com/

Moomba Beach 31 July 2011 Balashi

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/07312011_MoombaBeachBalashi_LarissaBermudez.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/07312011_MoombaBeachBalashi_LarissaBermudez_BriannaEscobedo-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2011, 02:00:51 AM
I've always said they have no respect for women.  Women are objects to them.

Absolutely.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2011, 02:52:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowaytruestorygall-.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom-1-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2011, 05:45:40 PM
http://tucsoncitizen.com/shelflife/2011/08/02/recommended-non-fiction-the-destruction-of-americas-newsapapers-mayan-world-and-2012-a-disappearance-and-a-murder-in-peru/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/shelflife/2011/08/02/recommended-non-fiction-the-destruction-of-americas-newsapapers-mayan-world-and-2012-a-disappearance-and-a-murder-in-peru/)

Recommended Non-Fiction: The Destruction of America’s Newsapapers, Mayan World and 2012, A Disappearance and a Murder in Peru
by Larry Cox on Aug. 02, 2011, under Uncategorized

 ::snipping2::
Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson (St. Martin’s Press, $25.99)
In May 2005, Natalee Holiday was with school mates enjoying a brief spring break in Aruba. Shortly before her return trip home to Atlanta, she vanished. She was last seen in the company of Joran van der Sloot, a twenty-year-old Dutchman who was arrested by Aruban authorities only to be released after being questioned. In 2008, during a Dutch sting operation, he confessed to killing Naralee but later recanted his statement. Five years to the day after Natalee’s disappearance, 21-year-old Stephanie Flores Ramirez was murdered in a hotel room in Peru. Implicated in both crimes was one man, Joran van der Sloot.
Lisa Pulitzer, a former correspondent for The New York Times and author or more than a dozen non-fiction books, and Cole Thompson, co-author with Catherine Crier of “A Deadly Game,” the #1 New York Times bestseller about the Laci and Scott Peterson case, provide a probing look at the man tied to two of the most sensational cases of the decade. Based on meticulous research and featuring the writing skills of two seasoned reporters, this is the incredible story of an attempt to bring a killer, a ruthless man who shattered the lives of so many, to justice.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 02, 2011, 06:07:47 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/02/f-vanishing-people-list.html

Into thin air: D.B. Cooper and other mystery vanishers
CBC News Posted: Aug 2, 2011 5:04 PM ET Last Updated: Aug 2, 2011 5:33 PM ET

 ::snipping2::

Natalee Holloway

Natalee Holloway, 18, disappeared while on vacation in the Caribbean island of Aruba on May 30, 2005.

The American teenager was last seen leaving a bar with three men who were arrested soon after Holloway was reported missing but they were all subsequently released.

The same three were again arrested two years later and also released.

However, one of those men, Dutch national Joran van der Sloot, was arrested in 2010 for the murder of another woman, Stephany Flores, in Peru. He is awaiting trial.

A jawbone was found off the coast of Aruba in November 2010 but authorities said it did not belong to Holloway.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway hosts a television show that examines missing persons cases.

In an interview with CBS in May 2011, Holloway said she thinks her daughter is most likely dead

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 06:55:07 PM
35 year old female American tourist missing in Aruba, last seen snorkeling at Baby Beach with a 50 year old male American tourist.  She was reported missing yesterday around 6pm.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34991-buskeda-pa-dama-perdi-a-sigui-trempan-diaranzon-mainta.html

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda for lady perdi owing to follow trempan diaranzon morning

wednesday, 03 august 2011 08:23

the buskeda owing to cuminsa trempan diaranzon morning for her lady cu is perdi. here is deal of the lady cu owing to go cu one man for snorkel just behind nanki in colony. diaranzon morning the equipment of recherche of san nicolas y also sarfa owing to present canto of water for busca y acumula more informacion possible.

he cu was together cu the lady also owing to arrive cu the trahadornan social cu is atende y sostene victimanan in casonan so. on lama trempan can owing to see also embarcacionnan of sarfa, kustwacht y helicopter of police. one buskeda intensivo owing to cuminsa in all the area. not owing to achieve algo trempan of morning. police also owing to send one comunicado on the caso. this is the version policial.relaciona cu the caso of the senjora perdi for of ayeratardi at height of baby beach,

my can informa you will siguiente:diamars come across, for more or less 18:21, centro of alarma is meld at central of police cu they owing to achieve one call cu will have a perdi, probably one tourist, female, at height of baby beach. patrol of san nicolas is acudi at once at the sitio y is come come across cu he g.v.g. naci at merca of 50 anja, kedando because; huesped at marriot hotel. the is tell police cu past owing to go snorkel cu the lady robyn lynn garbner, naci at merca also 23 april 1976. according his declaracion they owing to leave abroad of rif at the lugar menciona y after of one rato they will owing to lose another. hour cu he owing to arrive ground past owing to keep one rato y past owing to ripara cu the lady menciona not owing to arrive ground bek. owing to dicidi of beat alarma. at once one buskeda owing to cuminsa, tanto on ground because; on lama cu owing to envolvimento of kustwacht, police maritimo, helicopter. slachtofferhulp also owing to present at the sitio for asisti the tourist g.v.c.pa more or less 10or y 30 of night owing to dicidi of stop cu the buskeda for organisa y follow diaranzon. according police the condiccionnan maritimo was good till cu night, facilitando the buskeda considerablemente, compara cu the condicionnan normal in the area.

for more or less 7'or morning the dienstnan menciona together cu sarfa owing to cuminsa of new cu the buskeda for her person perdi. recherche also owing to being envolvi for investiga the detayenan of the caso. till at the momentonan here not have evidencia of one crimen but more bien is tratando the caso because; one person perdi on lama, while cu is investiga all detaye if.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 07:12:12 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34991-buskeda-pa-dama-perdi-a-sigui-trempan-diaranzon-mainta.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.augustus.aug03.buskeda.Image_022.JPG)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 07:15:02 PM
From last night...

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=8123&offId=0&offDate=2011-8

Papiamentu translation:

24 hora happen | fecha: 02/08/2011 | horario: 19:07

lady tourist perdi at baby beach, ela bay dive bao influencia of alcohol

one pareha mericano cu owing to bay duik in area of rodgers beach, owing to confronta problem in water y hour of come ground bek the cabayero owing to achieve miss of his partner. the lady cu can is in the edad of 30 for 40 year, owing to disparce for of view of his pareha. at once owing to beat alarma, caminda search & rescue, kustwacht y helicopter owing to bay in one buskeda extenso for achieve the lady mericano. till at the momentonan here the victima is perdi still.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2011, 07:17:55 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83576 (http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83576)

Kododo    
 Post subject: Tragic news.....
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:39 pm


Joined: Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:59 am
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24ora.com late news::
.....A tourist-couple,( in their 30tees) went snorkelling behind Nanki-Club at Baby Beach, toward dusk on Tuesday. The man struggled against strong current and got to shore, but the lady is missing.
Search will continue on Wednesday....
...article/pix at http://www.24ora.com Tuesday's edition...
Let's hope for the best, wherein she is found alive.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu- ... bolbe.html


Eddy    
 Post subject: Re: Tragic news.....
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:55 am
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The sea is quiet, but the current is strong. The male tourist swam to sure, but could not see his wife anymore. It is reported that the man was under the influence of alcohol as well. The research lasted well into the night with helicopter patrolling the sea in the area. The search will continue today at 6:00am. The authority is not classifying it as a case of drowning as of yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 07:18:27 PM
A comment about the dangerous current in the area...and why there are no warning signs...

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34991-buskeda-pa-dama-perdi-a-sigui-trempan-diaranzon-mainta.html

Papiamentu translation:

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scirbi for buchicunucu, august 03, 2011

do not first trip cu person is hoga (of perde) akinan. everybody at aruba know cu have one coriente dangerous in the area here, why do not place blackboard (na cantidad!) cu is dangerous for swim einan y also one blackboard numerico for show cuanto person owing to lose they life end einan? what is more important now here? in my concepto the have to is prevencion owing to base of informacion. come across.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 07:36:25 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

I have to admit that if the guy in the shorts is the husband, by his expressions he doesn't look too concerned...but the insurance scam comes up with every disappearance in Aruba.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34973-pareha-turista-a-bai-dive-y-e-dama-no-a-bolbe.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.augustus.aug02.perdi.P8020145.JPG)

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Papiamentu translation:

 ::snipping2::

Comments:

come across...

scirbi for ojo!, august 02, 2011

he cu the short colorido is the tourist come across? wel the do not show niun bit preocupa more bien the is show gewoon cansa come across,e cos here is smell "insurance" y the islands caribense owing to bira" the perfect spot" for much of they for they "pull it off". +35 come across...

scirbi for dog, august 02, 2011

i is haja cu have to cuminsa place blackboard for adverti every tourist cu is dangerous for go snorkel abroad of baby beach, by anja happen now owing to stop become cu is every rato have tourist is hoga at baby beach. +33 come across...

scirbi for student86, august 03, 2011

i am ful eens cu "ojo!".. esey my tmb owing to think +1 come across...

scirbi for chito rasmijn, august 03, 2011

if we look at the pareha here y they as actua could you ak cla cla here is coin siguro is in game come across,paso he tawata calm come across,asta smile,y the do not one guy or casa or one person cu have to owing to lever terra after she come across,paso is you have to sigura come across,prome cu do you casa is good come across,aki the cos here is smell good stinki self self come across.ami personal do not guli the pill here +1 come across...

scirbi for chito rasmijn, august 03, 2011

the lugar of more beautiful for swim y more beautiful for is save but plega come across,y insigur for one y all cu will wanted go one some come across,mas the part cu is jega lama big come across,e part ey have the name terror beach come across,no is today or yesterday but for anja the is come life person y nigun can splica con can owing to hoga eynan come across???????????? question without contesta come across,e lugar have to come cu mark in one balisa flotante is show cu till here could you jega for float come across,y one person look at y controla the sound y esnan cu happen the sound sabiendo is indica cu not can go more aleu for float y have one multa 25 for 100fls for pay is nothing compara lose one being cu do you love +0 come across...

scirbi for dora, august 03, 2011

again have boshi person is asumi cos without busca right (facts)...ken you is for judge con he have to reacciona?..boso all owing to achieve degree of psychology?..esta anything.. echt aruban afresh..stop child..bai busca coi haci.. +0 come across...

scirbi for zorro biew, august 03, 2011

i am of acuerdo cu dog. gobierno have to obliga the companianan cu is rent equiponan for dive for is responsible for they clientenan hour algo happen cu they. also they have to have person prepara in cpr y one boat for leave busca esnan in problem. not can is so cu is the coin only they're interesa in dje y to hell with the rest. aruba is enough mancha end in exterior pafia of the negligencianan here. as see gobierno, cuminsa actua. is enough! +0 come across...

scirbi for mast two, august 03, 2011

for dog do you have razon if do you loves are you even cry come across.aki near they're believe we is stupid.ami have one cacho of much anja self the die i am cry corda person.e guy the not ti curazon come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 11:09:46 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUdcqkZgnATjQlcgO9d1Ww4TMntQ?docId=01a0028a69e54ca2b57aa42a1c7ae83c

Police probe killing of US med student in Curacao

By DANICA COTO, Associated Press – 1 day ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — A Dubai man has been charged with killing a medical school classmate from New Jersey and is being held under psychiatric observation on the Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao, authorities said Tuesday.

Prosecutor Guillano Schoop said Moustapha Khalesa stabbed 24-year-old Kan Mei Chan to death in a Caribbean Medical University dorm Friday as she rushed to help a professor who Khalesa had also stabbed.

Khalesa, 20, was arrested at the scene, and he is still being evaluated by psychiatrists, Schoop said.

Khalesa had locked himself out of his room that night and was waiting for help when he got into an argument with a teacher living in the dorm, said Radoslaw Lewkowski, a director at the university.

The two-story dorm, about 30 minutes away from campus, is home to dozens of students and teachers.

Lewkowski said the Jersey City woman was the first to enter the room after several students heard cries for help and rushed to the second floor. She was stabbed twice in the stomach, while the teacher underwent surgery and is expected to recover, he said. The teacher's name was not released.

Lewkowski said Khalesa, who originally from the Gulf emirate of Dubai, had transferred from a university in Egypt more than a month ago, citing political instability.

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http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/3b5527abd15f4097b84ade096fc830dd/NJ--Med-Student-Slaying/

Family of slain medical school student from NJ contacts Natalee Holloway's mother


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS   
First Posted: August 03, 2011 - 6:05 am
Last Updated: August 03, 2011 - 6:05 am
 
JERSEY CITY, N.J. — The family of a medical student from Jersey City who was stabbed and slashed to death on the Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao has contacted Natalee Holloway's mother.

Holloway disappeared on the nearby Dutch island of Aruba in 2005 and is presumed dead.

Kan Mei Chan's brother, Willy, told The Journal of Jersey City (http://bit.ly/pFaAEC ) Beth Holloway gave him contacts because she knows how Dutch law works.

Chan's brother says it took four days before they were told of the murder and the American Embassy wasn't notified.

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http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/jersey_journal_front_and_back_1129.html

A Jersey City woman who was murdered at a Curacao medical school was stabbed 27 times, it was learned.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 03, 2011, 11:19:17 PM
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

Slain Jersey City woman's body flown home from Curacao for burial; was stabbed 27 times

Published: Tuesday, August 02, 2011, 10:04 PM     
Updated: Tuesday, August 02, 2011, 10:31 PM
 
By Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal

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Kan Mei Chan, 24, was a Jersey City resident studying at the Caribbean Medical University when she was stabbed to death by fellow student Moustapha Khalesa, 20. -- Photo courtesy of Mei Chan's family

When Kan Mei Chan left Jersey City for medical school in Curacao over a year ago she had her whole life ahead of her. Her body was returned to the U.S. last night in the hold of an airliner, her life having ended when she was stabbed to death in her dorm.

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But her family is still trying to get answers and this morning they reached out to the mother of Natalee Ann Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama woman who disappeared in 2005 in Aruba and is presumed dead.

Curacao, like Aruba, is a part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and is subject to Dutch law.

"She was very helpful, interested and she gave me contacts for people in the Netherlands Antilles and here," Chan's brother, Willy Chan, 21, said about his conversation with Beth Holloway. "She was very saddened and she gave her condolences."

Willy Chan said Holloway "knows how the Dutch law works and she had gone through this. The school is unresponsive. We are hoping for some media attention to get answers."
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 03, 2011, 11:53:29 PM
Thanks, texasmom.  One more sad thing from the article--

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

 ::snipping2::

Chan's sister and father returned Saturday from Curacao, where they arranged to have the body flown home. They also tried to find out why they were not notified about the murder of their relative for four days and why the American Embassy was not notified.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
  ::MonkeyEek:: 

Kan Mei Chan was born the day before Natalee was born...

http://www.24ora.com/curacao/34573-identidat-i-inisialnan-di-e-viktimanan-di-van-leeuwenhoekstraat.html#comments

Papiamentu translation:

identity and inisialnan of the víktimanan of van leeuwenhoekstraat

sunday, 24 july 2011 21:15

in the affair of hinkamentu at the complex of apartamentu in van leeuwenhoek- straat police is participate with the identity of the victim female with owing to die ta: kan mei chan, nasé at new york, the.a., 20 october 1986. the another victim female with owing to stay gravemente hurt and is interná in hospital st. elisabeth ta: f.s., of 52 year of age. come across




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2011, 12:23:39 AM
Thanks, texasmom.  One more sad thing from the article--

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

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Chan's sister and father returned Saturday from Curacao, where they arranged to have the body flown home. They also tried to find out why they were not notified about the murder of their relative for four days and why the American Embassy was not notified.

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Thanks grace-land, yes it is sad and infuriating.  There is no excuse for not notifying the family.  I feel so bad for this family.  Curacao will not appreciate the media any more than Aruba did, they will want the publicity surrounding this to go away NOW. I hope the family will get the answers they need and see Justice served, but I'm afraid it won't be an easy road.

My sincere sympathy is with them. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 04, 2011, 12:30:30 AM
Google translation

http://www.nu.nl/column-donderdag/2581540/breivik-joran-20.html

Breivik is Joran 2.0
Last Updated: August 4, 2011 5:34 info.

Now that the dust slowly fade away, and about every Dutch political party the Norwegian killer Breivik for his wagon tried to tension, it becomes increasingly clear that he really did. He has written himself into the lead of an ingenious thriller. By Nico Dijkshoorn.
 
Photo: AFP A thriller that unlike paper versions, but the move has come. We read him, we see him and enjoy him.

There seep disturbing messages about Breivik his present mood. His lawyer gave all a glimpse through his client be characterized as a very insensitive man, as someone who has full responsibility for his actions take.

Now I read reports about Breivik curiosity about the reactions of the media. He wants to know who is responding and how they respond.

Van der Sloot

That makes me think of Joran van der Sloot. Even when he got increasingly uncomfortable feeling that the real kick, the ultimate satisfaction, it is not killing itself was only in raising a smoke screen. Then again he confessed, then he pulled the statement again.

Exactly in the credits he threw Peter R. de Vries, a glass of wine in the face. It was all the work of sick attention manipulative boy. Joran has played several times with the expectations of 'normal' thinking people.

Who can imagine nothing more than this: he has it or not. It's about the murder. To the grief of the mother. Joran there, much less well prepared than boiled and Breivik, a game played with. Joran is also a narcissistic person who literally comes to resemble the star in its own against Germany.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 04, 2011, 12:45:56 AM
Thanks, texasmom.  One more sad thing from the article--

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

 ::snipping2::

Chan's sister and father returned Saturday from Curacao, where they arranged to have the body flown home. They also tried to find out why they were not notified about the murder of their relative for four days and why the American Embassy was not notified.

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Thanks grace-land, yes it is sad and infuriating.  There is no excuse for not notifying the family.  I feel so bad for this family.  Curacao will not appreciate the media any more than Aruba did, they will want the publicity surrounding this to go away NOW. I hope the family will get the answers they need and see Justice served, but I'm afraid it won't be an easy road.

My sincere sympathy is with them. 

I agree with everything you said.  Just think...to whom would they have gone for help if Beth was not so determined to find justice for Natalee?  Blessings to the family in their time of great sorrow; and blessings to Beth for her dedication in helping others.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 04, 2011, 01:32:00 AM
http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/ListenUp/?p=989

Audiobook Q&A: Cassandra Campbell
Adam Boretz -- August 3rd, 2011

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15. How much interaction — if any — do you have with the authors whose work you record?

Sometimes you get to collaborate with the author, other times not. I always like to have contact if I can. The author has spent so much time writing the book and you really want to honor their work. I love to hear from them, hear their voices, have them answer questions about character or pronunciation. If I can’t talk to the author, I look them up on the Internet, read articles or blogs, try to learn as much as I can about them in relation to their book. I find it really helps.

16. What are you working on next?

I just did Morag Joss’s Among the Missing for Blackstone. It’s a fantastic thriller. Portrait of a Monster: the Story of Joran van der Sloot for Dreamscape. It gave me nightmares! Escape by Barbara Delinsky, I got to do a down-home Mainer accent. Lucky for me, my brother lives there and has gotten really good at it! And the final book of Susan Patron’s Lucky Trilogy, Lucky for Good. We had Susan in the studio and it was a blast!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2011, 01:32:42 AM
RIP Kan Mei Chan Facebook Wall

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Kan-Mei-Chan/152253334852243

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Willy Haha Chan

It breaks my heart and makes me so grateful to see everyone who knew Kan Mei and my family that gave their blessings and the amount of people that were brought to tears. My family and I thank you for our condolences and your willingness to see this case come to light and in turn allow Kan Mei to finally be laid to rest peacefully. However, there are lots of unanswered questions and "lies" that the school as well as the curacao embassy are trying to cover up. Ends do not meet in this case! There will be justice served! I promise i will keep everyone posted.
July 29 at 8:55pm


Sandra Anthony

I read this story and I was horrified. I attended two offshore Caribbean medical schools myself and I often saw mentally unstable students there. I even drew attention to the situation once by approaching a Dean, who claimed that he had not noticed the student-which wasn't true. Many of these schools ignore the fact that some of the students are clearly unfit and would never be accepted into US schools, so that they can build up their student bodies and get more money and recognition. Something must be done about this. Kan Mei Chan's death must not be in vain. The people in charge of this school must be held accountable and I hope that her family pursues them to the highest court in Curacao. I also hope that her family eventually finds peace and comfort in the support of her friends who so clearly really loved her.
July 29 at 6:26pm

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Ravi Upadhyay

I actually remember Mei telling me about this guy on Google chat. I had no idea he was as crazy as he was but I told Mei to steer clear of him because he kept stalking her. I could tell the guy was somewhat mentally unstable based on what she told me about him. It's so sad this could have been prevented if people actually listened to her complaints.
July 29 at 7:07pm ·  3 people

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Angie Lee

Kan Mei talked to the school director and told him she felt threatened by this man a week ago. The killer had knocked on her door at odd times of the night, and she even called the cops on him once. She had sensed danger and sought out for help. All the director did was chuckled at her and brushed it off like a joke, and nothing was done…and now she’s dead…days before coming back home to America…days before coming back to her family. The director did not even have the decency to contact the family himself and claimed the police said they would take care of it…really? What kind of director is that? What are they trying to hide? He called the family on Sunday…TWO days after the incident and said a “tragic accident” happened to Kan Mei without explaining what happened. “Accident?”…I think not. We had to find out what happened to her via a local blog and translating a newspaper article over to English from Dutch.
July 29 at 6:31pm

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Susie Kwok

The director claims that he left for Chicago on Thursday while I was told people saw him Friday morning. Plus, why would he leave when the semester is almost over and what are the chances that he left the day before it happened. Kan Mei got stabbed so many times that she died at the scene, if her friends were right behind her…how did she get so many wounds if she was the second victim? And if it wasn’t intent, how can she get stabbed twice in the heart? For everyone who knew her, we deserve the truth. The truth needs to be uncover for Kan Mei to rest in peace. The school is hiding something…
July 28 at 11:00am

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Susie Kwok

We need to uncover the truth. I know that Kan Mei was so scared for her life the last few weeks. She wanted to come home so badly to see her family and friends. She was so close to being done and had changed her flight to an early date because she was so scared for her life. She even told me on our last Skype conversation that she told the director and friends that she was scared, so please don’t believe everything the director is telling everyone.
July 28 at 11:00am


Susie Kwok

Please read Nicole Hawker most updated post, "my cousin (a cop ) on the island told me that the school director was being very uncooperative. So I do believe what you said. The guy was a troubled man, and it was like they got rid of him somehow by sending him there. When I tried to talk to the school, they told me to contact their main office in Chicago”

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2011, 02:04:48 AM
Thanks, texasmom.  One more sad thing from the article--

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

 ::snipping2::

Chan's sister and father returned Saturday from Curacao, where they arranged to have the body flown home. They also tried to find out why they were not notified about the murder of their relative for four days and why the American Embassy was not notified.

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Thanks grace-land, yes it is sad and infuriating.  There is no excuse for not notifying the family.  I feel so bad for this family.  Curacao will not appreciate the media any more than Aruba did, they will want the publicity surrounding this to go away NOW. I hope the family will get the answers they need and see Justice served, but I'm afraid it won't be an easy road.

My sincere sympathy is with them. 

I agree with everything you said.  Just think...to whom would they have gone for help if Beth was not so determined to find justice for Natalee?  Blessings to the family in their time of great sorrow; and blessings to Beth for her dedication in helping others.


I agree, absolutely.  Most grieving families just don't have the strength to keep fighting the way Beth has for more than six years now.  Most eventually give up...  God bless Beth for never giving up!  She has said many times that Justice comes in many forms, and her efforts were not in vain.  She won't give up on Natalee, and neither will we; and hopefully this family and other victims will benefit from the years of experience Beth has fighting for Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2011, 02:17:57 AM
http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/ListenUp/?p=989

Audiobook Q&A: Cassandra Campbell
Adam Boretz -- August 3rd, 2011

 ::snipping2::

15. How much interaction — if any — do you have with the authors whose work you record?

Sometimes you get to collaborate with the author, other times not. I always like to have contact if I can. The author has spent so much time writing the book and you really want to honor their work. I love to hear from them, hear their voices, have them answer questions about character or pronunciation. If I can’t talk to the author, I look them up on the Internet, read articles or blogs, try to learn as much as I can about them in relation to their book. I find it really helps.

16. What are you working on next?

I just did Morag Joss’s Among the Missing for Blackstone. It’s a fantastic thriller. Portrait of a Monster: the Story of Joran van der Sloot for Dreamscape. It gave me nightmares! Escape by Barbara Delinsky, I got to do a down-home Mainer accent. Lucky for me, my brother lives there and has gotten really good at it! And the final book of Susan Patron’s Lucky Trilogy, Lucky for Good. We had Susan in the studio and it was a blast!

 ::snipping2::


I finished the book a couple weeks ago now.  For someone who hasn't followed Natalee's case and Stephany's from the beginning...I can imagine that it would give them nightmares.  Even though I knew most of what I read already, there were some interesting tidbits of information that I didn't know.  I kept thinking "I should highlight this" while I was reading but since I did most of my reading at bedtime, I never did that.  I've started going back through and typing out some chapter summaries to add to the thread I started, and point out the things that I found interesting.  I hope to add to that thread soon.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2011, 02:20:17 AM
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Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 04, 2011, 06:35:59 AM
Thanks, texasmom.  One more sad thing from the article--

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

 ::snipping2::

Chan's sister and father returned Saturday from Curacao, where they arranged to have the body flown home. They also tried to find out why they were not notified about the murder of their relative for four days and why the American Embassy was not notified.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks grace-land, yes it is sad and infuriating.  There is no excuse for not notifying the family.  I feel so bad for this family.  Curacao will not appreciate the media any more than Aruba did, they will want the publicity surrounding this to go away NOW. I hope the family will get the answers they need and see Justice served, but I'm afraid it won't be an easy road.

My sincere sympathy is with them. 

I agree, no excuse.

I hope this family gets the answers they need.  My condolences.  God bless, Beth for trying to help pave that road.



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Post by: can on August 04, 2011, 04:49:23 PM
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/08/slain_jersey_city_womans_body.html

Slain Jersey City woman's body flown home from Curacao for burial; was stabbed 27 times

Published: Tuesday, August 02, 2011, 10:04 PM     
Updated: Tuesday, August 02, 2011, 10:31 PM
 
By Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal

(http://media.nj.com/jersey-journal/photo/9832084-large.jpg)

Kan Mei Chan, 24, was a Jersey City resident studying at the Caribbean Medical University when she was stabbed to death by fellow student Moustapha Khalesa, 20. -- Photo courtesy of Mei Chan's family

When Kan Mei Chan left Jersey City for medical school in Curacao over a year ago she had her whole life ahead of her. Her body was returned to the U.S. last night in the hold of an airliner, her life having ended when she was stabbed to death in her dorm.

 ::snipping2::

But her family is still trying to get answers and this morning they reached out to the mother of Natalee Ann Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama woman who disappeared in 2005 in Aruba and is presumed dead.

Curacao, like Aruba, is a part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and is subject to Dutch law.

"She was very helpful, interested and she gave me contacts for people in the Netherlands Antilles and here," Chan's brother, Willy Chan, 21, said about his conversation with Beth Holloway. "She was very saddened and she gave her condolences."

Willy Chan said Holloway "knows how the Dutch law works and she had gone through this. The school is unresponsive. We are hoping for some media attention to get answers."
 ::snipping2::





May this lovely young woman, Kan Mei Chan R. I. P.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 01:58:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80344-humphry-vrolijk-naar-directie-scheepvaart

Google translation:

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Humphry Vrolijk to Ship Management         

FRIDAY, AUGUST 5, 2011 1:31 P.M.

ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - Humphrey Vrolijk recently in Aruba House in The Hague said goodbye to colleagues and partners from the Dutch tourism industry. He leaves after more than eleven years Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), where he was Area Director for Europe. Vrolijk returned to our island to this part of the management of Marine Department.

After the independence of ATA were all workers, including those in foreign countries, re-apply for their position within the company. Vrolijk also applied for but was not adopted. In his career he worked at the tourists nearly three years in the Dutch Caribbean Travel Centre in Frankfurt and the other year at the European headquarters in The Hague. Vrolijk was responsible for the strategic representation of Aruba in Europe, including the monitoring and development of Aruba as a brand and the sales, marketing and distribution of Aruba as a vacation destination. "With great pleasure I have used for years to Aruba as an exclusive holiday destination in Europe under the spotlight and on the map. Together with partners from the Netherlands, Great Britain, Germany, Belgium and Scandinavia, we have a nice growth. After all these years now I look very forward to starting a new challenge, but also with my family again fully enjoy the island, "said Vrolijk.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 02:03:20 PM
35 year old female American tourist missing in Aruba, last seen snorkeling at Baby Beach with a 50 year old male American tourist.  She was reported missing yesterday around 6pm.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34991-buskeda-pa-dama-perdi-a-sigui-trempan-diaranzon-mainta.html

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda for lady perdi owing to follow trempan diaranzon morning

wednesday, 03 august 2011 08:23

the buskeda owing to cuminsa trempan diaranzon morning for her lady cu is perdi. here is deal of the lady cu owing to go cu one man for snorkel just behind nanki in colony. diaranzon morning the equipment of recherche of san nicolas y also sarfa owing to present canto of water for busca y acumula more informacion possible.

he cu was together cu the lady also owing to arrive cu the trahadornan social cu is atende y sostene victimanan in casonan so. on lama trempan can owing to see also embarcacionnan of sarfa, kustwacht y helicopter of police. one buskeda intensivo owing to cuminsa in all the area. not owing to achieve algo trempan of morning. police also owing to send one comunicado on the caso. this is the version policial.relaciona cu the caso of the senjora perdi for of ayeratardi at height of baby beach,

my can informa you will siguiente:diamars come across, for more or less 18:21, centro of alarma is meld at central of police cu they owing to achieve one call cu will have a perdi, probably one tourist, female, at height of baby beach. patrol of san nicolas is acudi at once at the sitio y is come come across cu he g.v.g. naci at merca of 50 anja, kedando because; huesped at marriot hotel. the is tell police cu past owing to go snorkel cu the lady robyn lynn garbner, naci at merca also 23 april 1976. according his declaracion they owing to leave abroad of rif at the lugar menciona y after of one rato they will owing to lose another. hour cu he owing to arrive ground past owing to keep one rato y past owing to ripara cu the lady menciona not owing to arrive ground bek. owing to dicidi of beat alarma. at once one buskeda owing to cuminsa, tanto on ground because; on lama cu owing to envolvimento of kustwacht, police maritimo, helicopter. slachtofferhulp also owing to present at the sitio for asisti the tourist g.v.c.pa more or less 10or y 30 of night owing to dicidi of stop cu the buskeda for organisa y follow diaranzon. according police the condiccionnan maritimo was good till cu night, facilitando the buskeda considerablemente, compara cu the condicionnan normal in the area.

for more or less 7'or morning the dienstnan menciona together cu sarfa owing to cuminsa of new cu the buskeda for her person perdi. recherche also owing to being envolvi for investiga the detayenan of the caso. till at the momentonan here not have evidencia of one crimen but more bien is tratando the caso because; one person perdi on lama, while cu is investiga all detaye if.

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80342-verdwenen-snorkelaar-nog-niet-gevonden

Google translation:

Disappeared snorkeler not found

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 03:47:03 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/08/turista-keto-bay-desapareci-den-laman/

Papiamentu translation:

tourist keto bay desapareci in sea

publication: friday, 5 august 2011.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): autoridad is buscando the muher mericano, that by cu his casa owing to reporta cu past owing to desparece during they're snorkel at baby beach. as is conoci all the dianan buskeda is worde haci for busca curpa of the muher mericano at robyn lynn garbner, naci day 23 of april 1976. according his casa, they owing to bay snorkel abroad of cay y according informe just the day ey, servicio meteorologico owing to indica cu sea was keto y coriente suave. he owing to arrive ground apparently without his casa y after of enough rato past owing to beat alarma. do not conoci con far of costa they owing to bay snorkel apparently they owing to haci usage of duik spectacles. the pareha according informe owing to arrive aruba y they owing to hospeda at marriott hotel. one are of buzo owing to bay in sea y owing to stay for enough oranan largo buscando without cu they can localiza the curpa of the muher robyn. all the time famianan at merca owing to worde notifica of the tristo news y apparently have owing to arrive aruba end for know kico exact owing to socede. much is ask about his self con one pareha is bay snorkel y owing to aleha for of another cu at dado instant they will is lose another for of view. he is come ground y keep till hour the muher leave y till day of today the muher not owing to worde localiza. autoridad owing to bay hotel buscando in direccion if here will can is deal of one crimen. if is corecto, hotel will have to have camera on the floor at where the pareha is hospeda y con they will is anda cu another during they estadia in the hotel encuestion. camber assure also owing to worde revisa for less all doubt. do not exclui cu already end autoridad locual by they contacto at merca buscando more informe if acaso they will can have one record or not. via of family, amigonan will can achieve cierto informenan if acaso have cierto problem in cual the pareha owing to happen or is pasando in dje. the investigacion have to worde haci amplio because in pasado owing to arrive take lugar casonan similar at where man owing to desaparece y esnan cu owing to stay behind owing to cobra enough coin of aseguro y hour cu owing to investiga the caso more deep owing to resulta cu crimen owing to worde comete. seems at first instancia end he cu is take away the muher of more or less 15 year of diferencia was actua some odd y locual is worde menciona asunto of advocate or will bay busca advocate cual owing to wing atencion also. do not conoci if here will is deal of the same bishitante cu apparently cada day will is change color of his cabey hospeda at one high rise hotel. the caso relaciona cu the muher perdi have debido atencion of autoridad local y have investigacionnan deep at the momentonan here is worde haci for evita as owing to worde tell in pasado “geen lijk geen zaak”.

“geen lijk geen zaak” translated = "no body no matter"

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/08/bob-mandelbaum-dera-ayera/

Papiamentu translation:

(Picture at the link)

bob mandelbaum bury yesterday

publication: thursday, 4 august 2011.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): yesterday in transcurso of morning in seno familiar did take lugar burial of robert keith mandelbaum mihor conoci because; “bob” naci at merca 25 of april 1940.

as is conoci cu “bob” owing to bandona cas according informe by 11 of june 2011 y not owing to go back. by conocir (nan) owing to reporta at autoridad competente of his paradero. after of some week owing to worde beat alarma cu close of rif at barcadera owing to descubri one being human without live. at once police recherche owing to inicia cu they investigacion. at first instancia was dificil for can owing to identifica the person, if owing to worde conclui cu is deal of one curpa of one man. owing to think in direccion cu here will can is deal of “bob” but the team investigador have to of evidencia concreto cu is deal of the self person cu owing to worde reporta perdi. all the time locual owing to cause also cu the curpa without live was dificil for reconoce the debi cu cabez cara was desfigura. y autopsia owing to indica cu the golpinan is indica cientificamente cu they owing to worde cause for hands criminal. the result did take one another direccion, now the team is buscando the author cu owing to comete the crimen brutal. the team owing to succeed achieve all the time cooperacion among another of merca y so also the cadaver owing to worde identifica the person “bob’’. till so far the investigacionnan keto bay is andando apparently have several person cu owing to worde listen if acaso they will can know more kico will can owing to sosode cu “bob”.

the sharp clave is that owing to see “bob’ in area of barcadera is circula. probably the owing to worde ataca asalta supuestamente for one more person y they owing to deshaci of the curpa door of bente in sea. fiscal owing to entrega family the curpa for bury, but for one motibo another debi at first instancia not was assure if the will worde bury as at merca or at aruba. finalmente recientemente owing to dicidi finalmente cu “bob” will worde bury at aruba y all the time yesterday past owing to worde take away at his ultimo lugar of sosiego in cemetery at sabana broom. paz at his restonan y form at his being kerinan for addled sosega at paz.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 07:37:01 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/35083-polis-a-detene-mericano-cu-tabata-snorkel-cu-muher-cu-awe-ta-perdi.html

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene mericano cu was snorkel cu muher cu today is perdi (missing)

friday, 05 august 2011 18:20

he mericano cu tuesday owing to go snorkel supuestamente cu the muher mericano owing to stay deteni. past owing to wordo grab at aeropuerto just hour cu the was bandonando aruba. for of first instant was feel cu the actuacion of he was uno much odd. tuesday night his trankilidad was give indicacion cu algo not was cuadra. till even slachtofferhulp owing to go at nanki for talk cune. the day next they self owing to go buske trempan at marriott caminda the was kedando y go cune bek at the sitio. recherchenan was have one investigacion on the caso here. they not owing to stop keto. he owing to busca his advocate at aruba at once also. apparently the is work in regal estate at merca. past owing to come aruba cu the muher. the muher have 35 year y he have 50 year of edad. by tuesday night owing to mobilize helicopter, boat y plane of kustwacht, police y sarfa. was have enough person cu owing to busca without succeed achieve nothing. the splicacion of he also was odd. past owing to believe cu the can owing to happen autoridad of aruba one fastball. the first night end the was cla for present cu his advocate. this is place person doubt more in his seriedad. more still mirando cu the not was show a cu owing to lose one girlfriend or casa. all cos is show cu have one seguro big recien close on cabez of the two personanan here at merca. have several cos cu can see in the caso here. divernan owing to busca y they not owing to come across cu none equipment of snorkel. the lama was plat plat. kizas coriente can go cu the curpa but the snorkel or the duikbril assure have to can owing to come across cune. although past owing to slip go of the curpa, in cierto form have to can owing to come across cu cualkier evidencia. ministerio publico owing to confirma the detencion. if achieve the curpa of the lady perdi only can scapa he here cu wanted slip go merca diabierna but 2or owing to stay deteni at aeropuerto of aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 08:34:35 PM
http://boletinextra.com/index.php/polis/69-policial/10010-recherchenan-ta-detene-homber-sospecha-den-desaparicion-di-su-senora

Papiamentu translation:

(http://boletinextra.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/3f72dc50ada88fa607112f06b5e56ee9.JPG)

recherchenan is detene man sospecha in desaparicion of his madam

friday, 05 august 2011 15:50 5 comments

autoridadnan trahando duro on the caso of the lady cu is perdi in lama cu not owing to encontra neither his paradero for of tuesday ultimo now owing to strike one buelta enough big. autoridadnan attentive owing to ricibi one tips cu he g.v.g. 50 year of merca where cu the is envolvi cu his madam robyn lynn garbner naci at merca 23 april 1976 owing to disparece in lama behind nanki at san nicolas together cu autoridadnan maritimo, helicopter, kust wacht, search & rescue of tuesday nightfall till night late y diaranzon morning till nightfall late was cu one buskeda masal now the storia owing to strike one buelta cu diabierna afternoon he g.v.g was cla for bay merca bek without worry cu his madam cu is perdi or is cla for bay cobra his seguro for achieve battalion of coin??? now autoridadnan tine deteni for one interogacion big y is one sospechoso of have algo of haber cu the desaparicion of his madam.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 10:25:56 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=1765

The Salamander Group Leadership Team is committed to Personal Growth

Posted by Aruba Daily on July 8th, 2011

Palm Beach – This past week, the Supervisors and Managers at the helm at the Salamander Group attended the Women in Leadership Conference organized by ATIA and Caribbean Mercantile Bank. Team members were invited by Managing Director Jodi Tobman to benefit from the learning opportunity and to connect with a great number of local female professionals.

Among those attending were Marlene Nichols and Jodi Tobman, Operations Manager Alma Tagorda, Supervisors Julie Partosemito, Digna Torres and Rowena Banal, and Team Leaders Stephanie Mundle, Gabriela Ribbink Gonzalez and Karin Kalter.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/attending-the-women-in-leadership-conference-salamander-group-leadership-team-is-committed-to-personal-growth/

 ::snipping2::

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Purcell/07072011_Salamander-Group-5-1.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/womenleadaruba?sk=photos


First Women in Leadership Conference June 2011

67 of 188

(cropped)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2011, 10:27:22 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 05, 2011, 10:45:33 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/35083-polis-a-detene-mericano-cu-tabata-snorkel-cu-muher-cu-awe-ta-perdi.html

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene mericano cu was snorkel cu muher cu today is perdi (missing)

friday, 05 august 2011 18:20

he mericano cu tuesday owing to go snorkel supuestamente cu the muher mericano owing to stay deteni. past owing to wordo grab at aeropuerto just hour cu the was bandonando aruba. for of first instant was feel cu the actuacion of he was uno much odd. tuesday night his trankilidad was give indicacion cu algo not was cuadra. till even slachtofferhulp owing to go at nanki for talk cune. the day next they self owing to go buske trempan at marriott caminda the was kedando y go cune bek at the sitio. recherchenan was have one investigacion on the caso here. they not owing to stop keto. he owing to busca his advocate at aruba at once also. apparently the is work in regal estate at merca. past owing to come aruba cu the muher. the muher have 35 year y he have 50 year of edad. by tuesday night owing to mobilize helicopter, boat y plane of kustwacht, police y sarfa. was have enough person cu owing to busca without succeed achieve nothing. the splicacion of he also was odd. past owing to believe cu the can owing to happen autoridad of aruba one fastball. the first night end the was cla for present cu his advocate. this is place person doubt more in his seriedad. more still mirando cu the not was show a cu owing to lose one girlfriend or casa. all cos is show cu have one seguro big recien close on cabez of the two personanan here at merca. have several cos cu can see in the caso here. divernan owing to busca y they not owing to come across cu none equipment of snorkel. the lama was plat plat. kizas coriente can go cu the curpa but the snorkel or the duikbril assure have to can owing to come across cune. although past owing to slip go of the curpa, in cierto form have to can owing to come across cu cualkier evidencia. ministerio publico owing to confirma the detencion. if achieve the curpa of the lady perdi only can scapa he here cu wanted slip go merca diabierna but 2or owing to stay deteni at aeropuerto of aruba.

Texasmom, I found a post in English about Robyn Lynn Garber on the Aruba Bulletin Board--

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/bulletinboard/viewtopic.php?t=10699&view=previous&sid=6f867022d0b6f424ddc7316d1720fdfa

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:10 am

A 35 YO American Robyn Lynn Garbner went snokeling near Baby Beach got separated from her partner. She did not surface and was not found after extensive search. According to her partner she snorkeled under the influence. But this is to be confirmed if it is the case because there was no body yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2011, 01:31:56 AM
Thanks grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2011, 01:40:01 AM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83576

24ora.com late news::
.....A tourist-couple,( in their 30tees) went snorkelling behind Nanki-Club at Baby Beach, toward dusk on Tuesday. The man struggled against strong current and got to shore, but the lady is missing.
Search will continue on Wednesday....
...article/pix at http://www.24ora.com Tuesday's edition...
Let's hope for the best, wherein she is found alive.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu- ... bolbe.html

UPDATE::: Friday, as Mr. G.V.G. was about to depart from the airport, the local police had taken him in 'detention'.
Apparently, he was under investigation from the onset, due to suspicious behaviour.
All activities at their hotel were investigated, along with cooperation of home-town police in the USA. A large insurance policy coverage for both
Mr. G.V.G. and Robyn Lynn Garbner was recently made in the USA.
The lady, nor any of her snorkelling equipment has not been found, yet, as of very late Friday.

Ref: http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu- ... perdi.html


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2011, 02:12:36 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 06, 2011, 07:09:37 AM


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 06, 2011, 11:12:29 AM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83576

24ora.com late news::
.....A tourist-couple,( in their 30tees) went snorkelling behind Nanki-Club at Baby Beach, toward dusk on Tuesday. The man struggled against strong current and got to shore, but the lady is missing.
Search will continue on Wednesday....
...article/pix at http://www.24ora.com Tuesday's edition...
Let's hope for the best, wherein she is found alive.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu- ... bolbe.html

UPDATE::: Friday, as Mr. G.V.G. was about to depart from the airport, the local police had taken him in 'detention'.
Apparently, he was under investigation from the onset, due to suspicious behaviour.
All activities at their hotel were investigated, along with cooperation of home-town police in the USA. A large insurance policy coverage for both
Mr. G.V.G. and Robyn Lynn Garbner was recently made in the USA.
The lady, nor any of her snorkelling equipment has not been found, yet, as of very late Friday.

Ref: http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu- ... perdi.html


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THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

Steve Croes/Geoffrey van Cromvoirt

Somebody Needs to Connect the Dots

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Did New Holloway Suspect Know Natalee?
Wednesday, April 19, 2006

 
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: John, what I heard a little bit earlier today from someone I spoke to in Aruba is that the lawyer for "G.V.C." is also the lawyer — it's a woman — who represented Steve Croes, who is the man who came forward with the false alibi to the police which supported lie number one of Deepak, Satish and Joran.  Do you know anything about the lawyer representing both Steve Croes and now "G.V.C."?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I know that's the situation. It's a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to "G.V.C.'s" attorney for review before they did go into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, Steve Croes, John — it was sort of a curious thing. He came forward seemingly out of the blue and said that he witnessed Deepak, Satish and Joran dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and stumbling, and then two security guards coming up. That was a complete lie that he sort of volunteered, went to the police. He was taken into custody. He was then released.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html

 
Did New Holloway Suspect Know Natalee?
Wednesday, April 19, 2006


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I think that's right.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html


Transcript: Stunning Development in Holloway Case
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: .... And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect ( and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html


Suspicions

Steve Croes - 6/2005 - murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - 4/2006 - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance"of Natalee Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 06, 2011, 04:34:54 PM
With video/song to celebrate Joran's birthday--today.


http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/crime/2011/08/spts-feliciteert-joran-van-der-sloot

Sp! Ts congratulates Joran van der Sloot

No, you will not worry. Joran van der Sloot has not been released, the Arnhemmer is still safely behind bars in the Peruvian capital Lima.

From our cold little country we want the alleged murderer of Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores to congratulate the happy fact that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot again today celebrates its 24th anniversary.

Although it does in harsh conditions in Peruvian prisons. Special to him a little to cheer a SONG!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2011, 05:33:31 PM
With video/song to celebrate Joran's birthday--today.


http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/crime/2011/08/spts-feliciteert-joran-van-der-sloot

Sp! Ts congratulates Joran van der Sloot

No, you will not worry. Joran van der Sloot has not been released, the Arnhemmer is still safely behind bars in the Peruvian capital Lima.

From our cold little country we want the alleged murderer of Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores to congratulate the happy fact that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot again today celebrates its 24th anniversary.

Although it does in harsh conditions in Peruvian prisons. Special to him a little to cheer a SONG!

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/crime/2011/08/spts-feliciteert-joran-van-der-sloot

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comments

Google translation:

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Hyde | 08.11.06 | 1:29 p.m. | Report Abuse
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Let's hope that "he does not get the next 24.

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Henkel | 11.08.06 | 1:46 p.m. | Report Abuse
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That he should rot there till his death!

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teringtubbie | 06.08.11 | 2:41 p.m. | Report Abuse
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I wish him great year to pick up soap!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 01:44:49 AM
Charles Pantano

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1044669#msg1044669

http://obits.nj.com/obituaries/starledger/obituary.aspx?n=charles-pantano&pid=152823686

Obituary
Charles Pantano   |   Visit Guest Book

Charles Pantano, 48, of Springfield, N.J., passed away on Thursday, July 28, 2011.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.walterjohnsonfh.com/_mgxroot/page_10783.php?id=956941


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 02:45:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 03:44:52 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1004176320&sk=wall

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 07, 2011, 04:58:36 PM
Seeing him on that couch, I'd say that Alberto Groeneveldt would love to have him as a houseguest  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 05:28:39 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyJnBox::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=pu.200109430008668&type=1

Mi Dushi Sailing & Snorkeling Aruba

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http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: pinkbanana on August 07, 2011, 05:38:14 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 05:41:14 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/print-edition/2011/04/01/casinos-in-hawaii-make-no-business-sense.html?page=all

Casinos in Hawaii make no business sense

Premium content from Pacific Business News - by Jim George, Pacific Business News

Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 12:00am HST


Michael Rock has some advice for the politicians who think bringing casino gambling to Hawaii will help solve the state’s financial problems.

Don’t do it.

Rock brings some practical experience to the debate. He ran a casino for two years in Aruba, a Caribbean island off the coast of Venezuela that, like Hawaii, relies on tourism to drive its economic engine.

Since July 2009, Rock has been general manager of The Waikiki Edition, a Marriott-managed luxury hotel on the site of what used to be the Ilikai Hotel  ’s Yacht Harbor tower. Before that, he managed a Marriott property in Mexico City.

A 25-year veteran with Marriott, Rock was managing a property in St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands some years ago when his bosses asked him to take on a project. They wanted him to become an expert on casino gambling so that he could advise them on whether it fit the company’s mission.

Rock attended classes on the business side of gaming at the University of Nevada in Reno and worked in a casino at a Ritz-Carlton in San Juan, Puerto Rico. He then managed the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino from 2003 to 2005.

What he discovered, and what he told his bosses, is that managing a casino is not all that different from managing a hotel or resort. The key to success is great service. In the case of a casino, it means “celebrating wins” — making winning customers feel good so that they will return.

Eventually, the house is going to win, but gambling involves winning and losing, and it is the winning that needs to be emphasized.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/local-customer-appreciation-event-marriott-hosts-%E2%80%9Chavana-style%E2%80%9D-party-for-vips/

Local Customer Appreciation Event Marriott Hosts “Havana-Style” Party for VIPs

 Hotels     August 27th, 2010

In honor of the Aruba Marriott Resort’s 15th anniversary, a spicy hot Havana-Style party was held in the garden of the resort. Invited guests consisting of the local media, venders and customers who have relationships with the resort enjoyed Mojito’s, Cuban dancing, and a Caribbean buffet. Classic Cars, dancing and fire spitting were the highlight of the evening.

The Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino opened its doors in the summer of 1995. The Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino, began its life as an abandoned, unfinished building by the name of ‘Plantation Bay’. After a thorough renovation, the Resort opened its doors on the 24th of June 1995. The first General Manager Scott Ringer and Mr. Olindo Koolman, the former governor of Aruba attended the special opening ceremony on August 30, 1995. The Resort has 8 floors, 413 Rooms has 6 restaurants all serviced by one kitchen. A free form pool was built, as well as a Pool Bar and Waves / Simply Fish. Lots of palm trees were planted and other landscaping efforts were made to create the garden we have today.

The original 11,000 square feet Stellaris Casino opened on the 4th of July 1995. The Casino was built as an amenity for the guests. In August 2004 Stellaris Casino was renovated and expanded to its current 18,000 square feet. The official opening of the expanded Casino was executed by Minister Edison Briesen, Casino General Manager Michael Rock and the Resort’s General Manager Richard Zeolla. With 32 table games and 500 slot machines it is the largest Casino on the island.


2009

http://jpespinosa.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-places-to-work-2009.html

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http://www.lideresmexicanos.com/2009/06/los-40-lideres-del-turismo/

"The 40 leaders of Tourism

June 23, 2009

Section: Ranking

Tourism, one of the noblest industries that exist, allows the development of communities and nations exalt the national spirit in its most fine, promotes tolerance, education, culture and ultimately, we know better. That's why, before the economic crisis first and then the phobia of influenza, the federal government front, all the actors have gone on a major campaign by Mexico, here are some of the most outstanding players of this great crusade
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Michael Rock
General Manager of Hotel JW Marriot
The Marriott hotel chain also record low on their reservations, however, has slowly recovered its activity, especially the Marriott Hotel in Mexico City, site of the Industrial Club.
Tel: (55) 59 99 0000




http://news.visitaruba.com/news/stellaris-casino-at-the-marriott-is-expanding/

Stellaris Casino At The Marriott Is Expanding

Posted on: 06/22/2004 By: Rona Coster

Michael Rock, friendly, blue-eyed Director of the Stellaris Casino at the Marriott reports his casino is expanding. As a new ballroom is being built on the side of the property, the casino will be taking over the former ballroom space. Most slots, more tables, the end result will yield Aruba’s largest casino, with a cash-back system linked to all slot machine, one that is already capturing attention of locals & visitors. Rock is participating this week in the Gaming Show in Puerto Rico as guest of IGT, the friendly slot manufacturers. In the Caribbean he is a big fish, in view of the size of his Casino and his slot fleet . . .


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg375670#msg375670

Kermit posted:

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Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7018.msg1076685#msg1076685

Kermit posted:

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Rick Zeolla the General Manager at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris

“then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLLA family (Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/24/05)

* Zeolla's wife is a member of IFA

* Mark Purcell (MIP6 worked at Marriott hotel)

* Joran and his friends stayed at Marriott hotel (picture with belt around boys neck

* Valenjtin also partyed at Marriott hotel with his friend Jimmy Rock (his father was the manager who left shortly after Natalee disappeared and he went to Mexico)

* Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel

* Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search of the girl. Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/18/05

* Karin Janssen, Rudy Croes, Judge Kuerdil, Judge Smid are all friends of Paulus van der Sloot


http://www.masaryk.tv/4914/inauguracion-del-restaurante-lipp

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Ribbon cutting Michael Rock, Cristopher Ford, Ivonne Garza, Claude Guittard ...
masaryk.tv

Restaurant Opening Lipp
For Mark , 2008/11/12
   
JW Marriott Hotel Mexico welcomed the new Lipp restaurant specializing in French food
 ::snipping2::


http://blogs.starbulletin.com/fashiontribe/waikiki-edition-opens-with-style/

Waikiki Edition opens with style
October 19th, 2010
By Nadine Kam

 ::snipping2::

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General manager Michael Rock shows a ukulele that is part of every room’s decor.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 05:54:01 PM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=pu.200109430008668&type=1

Mi Dushi Sailing & Snorkeling Aruba


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 06:14:49 PM
I think these are of Valentijn & Maki Wiggins...jmo

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=pu.200109430008668&type=1

Mi Dushi Sailing & Snorkeling Aruba

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 06:25:28 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1143810039

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 06:39:36 PM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=pu.200109430008668&type=1

Mi Dushi Sailing & Snorkeling Aruba

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 07, 2011, 06:47:09 PM
Google translation

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/991529/noticia-van-der-sloot-si-no-hay-influencias-politicas-recibire-juicio-justo

Van der Sloot: "If there is no political influence, receive a fair trial"
The confessed murderer of Stephany Flores said he has cooperated 100% with the police investigation, but accused have been the victim of "abuse"
Sunday August 7, 2011 - 24:40

More than a year of the crime of Stephany Flores Ramirez, the confessed murderer Joran Van der Sloot broke his silence and from the Castro Castro said he expects a fair trial, said he has worked 100% with the police investigation into the murder and denied being the father of a child in Peru.

In a letter to the TV show "The Sunday," the Dutchman said that if his case "does not affect third parties or political motives," receive a fair trial. "I'm still not sure if I will make use of a new extradition treaty between the Netherlands and Peru. First I want to know more about it, see how it works and even if this is possible and / or on my behalf, "he said.

In addition, the professional poker player said "has told the truth from the beginning" and claimed he was the victim of "abuse." "I've always cooperated 100% with the investigation and trial. Even in times when you could not help due to my lack of knowledge of Spanish. Even with that I put my best effort, but have abused it, "he wrote.

 ::snipping2::

EARLY TERMINATION
The new Van der Sloot's lawyer, Jose Jimenez, did not rule that the defendant is relying on the early termination of the process. However, that that decision will be known once the prosecution.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 06:55:48 PM
Thanks grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

But as usual, when Joran is speaking...he is lying.

He has NOT cooperated from the beginning.  He lied...and lied...and lied some more.

And all indications are that he had no problem AT ALL with the language.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 07, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
Google translation

http://noticias.terra.com.co/internacional/latinoamerica/holandes-que-mato-a-peruana-en-2010-espera-juicio-sin-infuencia-politica,4813200f885a1310VgnVCM10000098f154d0RCRD.html

Peruvian who killed Dutch in 2010 awaiting trial without political infuence
August 7, 2011 • 14:51

The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of a young Peruvian in May 2010, said he expects a fair trial in Peru without political influence and has always cooperated with the police investigation in a letter released Sunday by a program Peruvian television.

 ::snipping2::

The trial of Van der Sloot will begin in the coming weeks, as the instructional period ended in late June and now the criminal court trial date be set.

Jose Camarena, a lawyer for the victim, reported in June told AFP that there is evidence presented by the police and the defense to make the process quick and "was sentenced for the murder of Stephany Flores."

The murder in Peru is punished with a penalty ranging from 25 years in prison to life imprisonment.

Camarena said that although there has been reconstruction of the crime because Van der Sloot refused to attend the scene, "there is much evidence to prove their crime."

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 07, 2011, 07:09:19 PM
Thanks grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::

But as usual, when Joran is speaking...he is lying.

He has NOT cooperated from the beginning.  He lied...and lied...and lied some more.

And all indications are that he had no problem AT ALL with the language.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

YW, texasmon.  He can continue to lie or remain silent; it doesn't matter now--they have evidence.  Let the trial begin.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 08:23:08 PM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

Page 89

 ::snipping2::

The deadline for registering for the Latin American Poker Tour at the Atlantic City Casino was Sunday, May 30.  The US $2,700 entry fee could be paid in person at the gaming tables or on online.

 ::snipping2::
Fixed typo.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 08:26:40 PM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

Page 89

 ::snipping2::

The deadline for registering for the Latin American Poker Tour at the Atlantic City Casino was Sunday, May 30.  The US $2,700 entry fee could be paid in person at the gaming tables or online.

 ::snipping2::

self edit   :2redface:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 08:59:28 PM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson


Page 145

(June 15, 2005)

 ::snipping2::

A Dutch forensic team, led by senior homicide forensic investigator Paul van den Hoven, performed a search of Joran's apartment.  The apartment was also scanned by Miami-Dade police detective Alan Lowry and his canine, Bugg, assisted by special agents from the FBI.

Bugg and his handler also performed searches of a vacant lot adjacent to the Van der Sloot residence, and a rear garden.  But there were no hits.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 09:00:04 PM

http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/paul-van-den-hoven/18/889/80

Paul van den Hoven
Forensic Expert at Netherlands Forensic Institute of Ministry of Justice
The Hague Area, Netherlands Research

Current
Forensic Expert Crime Scene & Bloodstain Pattern Analysis Expert at Netherlands Forensic Institute

Past
Forensic Expert Fibres and Textiles at Netherlands Forensic Institute
Forensic Hair Expert at Netherlands Forensic Institute

Connections
58 connections

Paul van den Hoven's Experience

Forensic Expert Crime Scene & Bloodstain Pattern Analysis Expert
Netherlands Forensic Institute
Government Administration industry
April 1990 – Present (21 years 5 months)

Forensic Expert Fibres and Textiles
Netherlands Forensic Institute
Research industry
January 1998 – January 2010 (12 years 1 month)

Forensic Hair Expert
Netherlands Forensic Institute
Research industry
January 1996 – December 2000 (5 years)

Paul van den Hoven's Additional Information

Groups and Associations:

Crime Scene Investigators, Trainers and Consultants


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
Thank you MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
I think this could be the same Paul van den Hoven

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1035740390


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/csi-in-de-polder/sporendeskundige-paul-van-den-hoven-over-de-ontknoping-op-de-plaats-delict/

Google translation:

Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 13:21 hours

CSI in the polder

CSI in the polder: Part 3

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Paul-van-den-Hoven.jpg)
Paul van den Hoven

 ::snipping2::

The Mobile Forensic Team (MFT) of the NFI, which Van den Hoven is part, is specialized in searching, finding, securing and analyzing traces at the crime scene, especially in complex situations. Forensic analysis is one of the key specialties of the MFT. This expertise is on average fifteen times a year invoked.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
http://24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35147-abogado-di-e-mericano-deteni-ta-hopi-disgusta-cu-actuacion-di-autoridad-di-aruba-.html

Papiamentu translation:

advocate of the mericano deteni is much disgusta cu actuacion of autoridad of aruba

sunday, 07 august 2011 22:13

the mericano gary giordano is deteni. this owing to sosode diabierna at aeropuerto of aruba hour cu the was saliendo bek for merca. the form cu the proceso of detencion owing to go owing to let the advocate y also the sospechoso one some disgusta. this kizas is the procedura but do not the form cu have to actua contra a cu owing to ofrece all type of coperacion at autoridad.

pesey self hour cu the detencion did take lugar the sospechoso owing to calling the advocate bayendo keep. the instruccion cu past owing to achieve of his advocate was for mantene silencio. this after cu the morning ey self the mericano owing to give one declaracion amplio at recherché cu is investigando the caso. one lady recherché y also one boss of recherché owing to interoga the mericano first cu his detencion. the same morning trempan diabierna the mericano owing to reuni cu consul mericano y also mother of the victima. according can owing to compronde the consul mericano self owing to tell gary if the not have nothing more of haci the can go bek merca.

same past owing to ofrece the mother of the lady perdi if the have to stay aruba for dune sosten. the mother owing to bise do not necesario y the self will follow cu the caso of his child. the morning ey self gary owing to go close recherché. they owing to go till even at the lugar at nanki where the lady owing to wordo see ultimo trip. the investigacion owing to continua diabierna where gary owing to give the declaracion completo. one overall of nine pagina of declaracion cu all type of question. all owing to wordo contesta. gary is one man divorcia cu have one type of uitzend ass. the have two child of 14 y 19 year. the children live close they mother y gary is cria the children cu one suma of some hundred dollar for month. the form cu past owing to conoce the lady mericano is via internet on one date site. so they know come across two trip for month. the know go close the daman owing to his cas also.

the lady seems live cu one girlfriend but always hour of leave, gary is leave his only cu the lady. the lady self have various tatuahe (tatoos) at his curpa. at various part of his curpa. all esakinan is declaracionnan cu recherché owing to achieve for of gary first cu past owing to stay deteni at aeropuerto. past owing to company the declaracion also. owing to puntre till even on the seguro cu past owing to close first cu past owing to trip. berdad past owing to close one seguro cu was count ; pe y for her lady. this is more bien one seguro of biahe cual majority passenger is close. this do not one seguro of life. besides past owing to place his mother because; beneficiario if algo have to sosode. at end of the declaracion gary cu was together cu his advocate owing to tell polisnan cu the will trip. owing to count ; autoridad cu past owing to come across cu mother of the lady perdi y consul mericano. past owing to ofrece fast of his advocate if they wanted or they have to of dje the will stay some day more. the not owing to achieve contesta y pesey owing to dicidi of go aeropuerto for lever plane diabierna afternoon. for surprise past owing to stay deteni. this owing to cay in very bad ground close the advocate y gary cu all the time owing to become sospechoso. the advocate michael lopez is defende the sospechoso in the caso here. the advocate owing to bise for not declara nothing more. mantene silencio because the was enough open in his declaracion of nine pagina diabierna morning. monday kizas the sospechoso have to go fast of fiscal.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 07, 2011, 11:07:04 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35146-investigacion-grandi-tumando-lugar-relaciona-cu-dama-mericano-perdi.html

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion big tumando lugar relaciona cu lady mericano perdi

sunday, 07 august 2011 22:05

autoridad of aruba is haciendo one investigacion much big the momentonan here. this is relaciona cu the caso of the lady mericano robyn gardner cu owing to go snorkel y seems till today is perdi. diadomingo in oranan late of nightfall autoridad local was at same sitio cu the pareha apparently owing to go snorkel.

can owing to see top funcionarionan of recherché, of ministerio publico y also the sospechoso self was tey. cu usage of camara can owing to filma various scenario y was measure cierto part. pesey self the cuerpo tecnico was tey also. can owing to see also some acolyte of one team special of police cu was have cierto envolvimento cu the caso of nathallee holloway also eynan. the sospechoso gary giordano also owing to wordo take away ten owing to the lugar of the sucedido. the was canto of lama hour cu the team of recherché completo was haciendo investigacion. he self owing to arise suspicion mirando his trankilidad. berdad the muhr is more bien one girlfriend or frei cu the know leave cune at merca. is a cu past owing to conoce via internet y so they owing to come across another. the lady recien owing to lose trabao at merca y after of one biahe cu some girlfriend owing to go back merca. past owing to tell he cu the have earn of trip y leave one rato more distrae his self. esey owing to place cu they owing to arrive aruba the weekend happen. they owing to go once end at san nicolas y owing to see the lugar. the day ey they not owing to descend at lama because they not was dress in cloths apropia for descend in lama. the day next they owing to go back y till even owing to cumpra cos of drink in the area. of eynan owing to go snorkel y owing to arrive in one profundidad caminda the leg not was arrive ground more. past owing to forza arrive ground y owing to see his girlfriend look at if the also is come. hour cu past owing to arrive ground according gary, the not owing to see the lady more. so past owing to beat alarma. mirando cu the sospechoso owing to wordo conseha for not talk more will haci kizas the caso more dificil. the conseho here is his own advocate owing to dune mirando cu past owing to give one declaracion complete end.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.augustus.aug07.nanki.IMG_5658.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.augustus.aug07.nanki.IMG_5659.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 12:51:31 AM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson


June 3, 2010

Page 165-167

 ::snipping2::

Inside police headquarters, Chilean investigators sat down with Joran to take some basic information.  They had no plans to interrogate him, merely to process him before expelling him from the country.

The Chileans had decided to forgo an extradition proceeding, which can be a tedious, technical legal process involving international cooperation.  They chose to handle the situation as a straightforward immigration matter.

All foreigners entering Chile were required to fill out basic paperwork, addressing two issues:  What is the purpose of the visit?  And what is the local domicile of the visitor?  Joran had lied on both counts, claiming he had entered the country as a tourist, which he clearly wasn't, and had provided no valid hotel reservations.

As far as Chilean immigration was concerned, he was an undesirable who only real purpose for entering the country was to escape murder charges in Peru.  Despite being informed that he was under no obligation to speak, Joran announced to the investigators that he wanted to make a statement, in English, so there would be no misunderstanding.

 ::snipping2::

He was innocent, he insisted, and wanted authorities to know what had really happened in Lima.

 ::snipping2::

For the next several hours, he spun a fantastic tale about meeting Stephany Flores and how the two had fallen victim to a pair of con artists posing as members of the Peruvian National Police.

 ::snipping2::

"I am a professional poker player," Joran said.

 ::snipping2::

"It was going to be my first time in the Latin American Poker Tournament in Lima and I did not get to play."

 ::snipping2::

Joran told detectives that he had not had any problems with immigration or airport security when he had flown into Peru, even though he claimed to be carrying $25,000 on his person when he stepped off the Avianca flight at Lima's Jorge Chavez International Airport.  "That's the typical amount I carry with me when I go to participate in a poker tournament," he claimed.

"I stayed almost all nights in the casino, sleeping during the day, eating at a restaurant and mostly playing poker.  This is where I met this girl, Stephany.  She sat at the table and right away she started talking to me.  She wanted me to teach her to play.  She told me her father had money, and that she was studying, and that she was not interested in guys."

 ::snipping2::

He claimed that the two were on their way to a casino in Miraflores when they were stopped by two men traveling in a white car.  The men were wearing police uniforms and badges, and both Joran and Stephany had assumed they were cops.

Stephany pulled over to the side of the road and the two assailants demanded money, Joran recalled.  "They said, "Give us the cash, or else!"

"I offered them $1,000 and they laughed.  I then offered them $4,000 and they agreed.  Then one of them told me to give him something as a souvenir, so I gave him one of my bracelets that I brought from Thailand and they let us go."


Joran described the men as "dark skinned," and said they spoke only Spanish.  "It is hard for me to describe their uniforms.  "One of the men was younger than the other," he added.

 ::snipping2::

(Joran said he didn't call the police because at that early hour, they would be closed.  He said he just wanted to get some coffee and go to his hotel room with Stephany to play some online poker.  He said he bought coffee and they went to his room.)

Joran told the Chilean investigators that he and Stephany weren't even safe once they were inside room 309.  "A man came out of the bathroom, holding a knife in his hand, and blocked the exit.  Another man with a pistol in his belt was on the bed.

"The man with the knife told me to "Shut up," but Stephany yelled out and the man with the knife punched her in the face, causing her nose to bleed.  Then the man with the gun said they only wanted money."

(Joran said they had strewn his clothes all over the room going through his luggage looking for money)

"I told them that I had no money, but that I could go to an ATM to get some."

"Stephany kept asking "Why is this happening?" Joran recalled.  "Her nose continued to bleed.  When I offered to pick up the money, they agreed, but the man with the pistol said that I should remember that they had Stephany."

"I left the room, went downstairs and exited the hotel without speaking to anybody.  I did not want to go to the authorities because of my previous experience with the police."

 ::snipping2::

to be continued...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 01:24:08 AM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson


June 3, 2010

(Joran’s statements to Chilean Authorities continued)

Pages 168-169

Joran admitted that he had lied to the dirty cops who were holding Stephany hostage about needing to find an ATM.  "I did not need to go to the ATM machine because I was carrying $20,000," he claimed.

 ::snipping2::

(After claiming that when he got back from the ATM run he realized he’d left his room key in the room, Joran told how he’d gone to the reception desk (trying to keep his composure) and asked for a spare key.  He claimed that the attendant agreed to go with him to his room, walked all the way to his room with him and then handed him the spare key and walked away.  He then explained that he’d knocked on the door several times, no one answered and he let himself in with the spare key.)

“The man with the pistol was very angry with Stephany and was covering her mouth with his hand,” Joran continued.  “And he was angry with me for coming back into the room without giving him a warning.”

::snipping2::

“I gave him $10,000 and hoped that would have closed the deal.”

::snipping2::

But the men demanded more money.  “I told them I could get more money so I went downstairs again, but the woman at the front desk told me I needed to move Stephany’s car.”

::snipping2::

Back upstairs he went to borrow the keys.  But Stephany’s captors were now furious.  Why had he come back empty-handed?  He hadn’t brought the money.

Joran said the men began shouting at Stephany in Spanish, but they were speaking so quickly he could not make out what they were saying.  “They told me to gather my things and go.  Go back to my country and speak to no one!”

::snipping2::

He closed the door and fled, leaving behind his abandoned property, his two assailants, and Stephany in the room. 

Before departing, Joran said that Stephany handed him the keys to her Jeep.

::snipping2::

Joran said he didn’t call the police because the assailants were members of law enforcement and he was scared.

::snipping2::

Chilean authorities were not interested in interrogating him, only getting him out of their country.  Maybe he thought this would be his best chance for a sympathetic audience; nonetheless, he had thoroughly mastered the art of spinning himself as a victim.

 ::snipping2::

His tale of woe continued.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 01:46:59 AM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson


Page 170

 ::snipping2::

"In the morning, after checking my e-mail, I learned what had happened to Stephany.  I got in touch with my mother and she told me to speak with the authorities to resolve this matter."

Joran's arrogance was mind-blowing.  Authorities had captured him crouching in the back of a cab with as substantial a makeover as he could manage on the run, and now he was claiming to have turned himself in voluntarily on the advice of his mother.

True, Joran had phoned his mother the previous day while on the run in Chile.  Anita was already beside herself when her son called.  He had telephoned her several days earlier from Peru claiming to have been the victim of a police kidnapping.  Joran had sounded scared, almost manic.  He described meeting a young woman in Lima and claimed they had been kidnapped and robbed by two Peruvian men who were posing as police officers.  The assailants had shown them a photograph of Natalee Holloway during the terrifying ordeal.

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 02:09:23 AM
Portrait of a Monster:  Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson


Page 171

 ::snipping2::

Having taken the investigators through his version of events, Joran was convinced that they would see that he was innocent.  He had not murdered Stephany Flores.  She had been alive when he last saw her in the company of the rogue Peruvian police officers.

With an air of confidence, he announced that he simply wanted to go back to Aruba.  Should the Chilean government decide to expel him from the country, he wanted to be sure he wasn't returned to Peru.  His life was in danger there.

Chilean immigration officials informed Joran that on the following day he was going to be expelled at the Santa Rosa border crossing, the place where he had entered the country three days earlier.

Joran, defiant and hostile, refused to sign his statement.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 03:09:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 03:23:53 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 03:25:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 08, 2011, 08:53:50 AM
Good morning! 

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::
 ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::

 ::bee::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 08, 2011, 04:56:39 PM
TM


Thank you for the book exerts.  Same Joran.  So scary that he was looking for the money for the poker entry fee.  Such elaborate "poor me" lies.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
TM


Thank you for the book exerts.  Same Joran.  So scary that he was looking for the money for the poker entry fee.  Such elaborate "poor me" lies.

You're welcome Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know how many here bought the book, so I'm trying to share as much as I can; when I have the time to sit down and go back through it.  The book is one chapter about the events in Aruba, and then a chapter about the events in Peru and continues like that throughout; so sometimes it takes a while for me to find the parts that come to mind that I want to share.  That's why I seem to be jumping around in sharing the specific events.  I'd started doing chapter summaries and I may still eventually post those over in the book thread, but it is very time consuming...  I'm just not very good at summarizing.  It's been a real struggle to "snip" so much...I want to share it ALL...but I don't want to get in trouble either!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 07:07:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80447-joran-overweegt-opnieuw-bekentenis

Google translation:

Joran is considering re-admission

MONDAY, 08 AUGUST 2011 2:20 p.m.

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Jose Jimenez, the new attorney of Joran van der Sloot, said his client plans to confess that he has slain Stephany Flores. This would however depend on the indictment.

Jimenez has said to the Peruvian television El Dominical. A confession would speed up the process, says Jimenez. Incidentally, Joran already known to be responsible for the death of Flores. A confession he made after his arrest, but he almost immediately withdrew. Jiménez his client would also consider using the possibility of extradition to the Netherlands. But, let Joran in a letter to El Dominical know, this decision he has more information. Joran previous lawyer, Máximo Altez, Flores said he was slain because he was overcome by a violent emotion. Joran Altez confirmed that the defense stopped because they had disagreements about the fee.

Joran is accused on May 30 last year Stephany Flores in his hotel room in the Peruvian capital Lima to have slain. He's been more than one year in custody. The family at the age of 21 killed wife wants the suspect is tried for premeditated murder. He would have killed her to make her money and car to go away.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 07:11:02 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80445-onderzoek-verdwenen-toerist-gaat-door

Google translation:

Research missing tourist continues         

MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2011 2:15 P.M.

ORANGE CITY - Authorities have Sunday again studied the disappearance of American tourist Robyn Lynn Garbner at Baby Beach.

Employees of the investigation, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the suspect GVG (50) went to the spot where G. said the victim lost his sight while snorkeling. Reportedly, the researchers in that location scenarios filmed. The 35-year-old disappeared last week after Garbner a snorkeling trip with her ​​50-year-old companion GG He told her that he had lost, but attracted the attention of the police through his seemingly calm attitude. Further research by the investigators increased the suspicion that the police already had and eventually the man was arrested Friday afternoon at the airport when he tried to leave our country. According to sources, victim and suspect know each other and the Internet have come together to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 08, 2011, 08:31:57 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80445-onderzoek-verdwenen-toerist-gaat-door

Google translation:

Research missing tourist continues         

MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2011 2:15 P.M.

ORANGE CITY - Authorities have Sunday again studied the disappearance of American tourist Robyn Lynn Garbner at Baby Beach.

Employees of the investigation, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the suspect GVG (50) went to the spot where G. said the victim lost his sight while snorkeling. Reportedly, the researchers in that location scenarios filmed. The 35-year-old disappeared last week after Garbner a snorkeling trip with her ​​50-year-old companion GG He told her that he had lost, but attracted the attention of the police through his seemingly calm attitude. Further research by the investigators increased the suspicion that the police already had and eventually the man was arrested Friday afternoon at the airport when he tried to leave our country. According to sources, victim and suspect know each other and the Internet have come together to Aruba.


My guess is that if they recently met, on the internet....that "insurance scam" Aruba fallback, won't apply.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 09:02:07 PM
FINALLY!  No idea why it took so long!

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/breaking/Maryland-Woman-Missing-in-Aruba-127279518.html

Maryland Woman Missing in Aruba

By Matthew Stabley |  Monday, Aug 8, 2011  |  Updated 8:14 PM EDT

(http://media.nbcwashington.com/images/654*368/Robyn+Gardner.jpg)

Robyn Gardner

A woman from Maryland disappeared in Aruba last week.

Robyn Gardner, of Frederick, was last seen Aug. 2 at the Renaissance Aruba Resort and Casino in Oranjestad, according to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

The 35-year-old reportedly disappeared on a snorkeling trip at Nanki in the Colony. The Aruba Herald reported a suspect was arrested Friday.

Gardner stands 5-foot-5-inches tall and weighs 120 pounds. She has blond hair, brown eyes, and tattoos on her rib cage, right bicep and left arm from the back of her shoulder to her elbow.

Her boyfriend contacted the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which operates out of the National Museum of Crime and Punishment in D.C.

Anyone with information about the case should contact Aruba authorities at 011-297-597-5201.

Posted Monday, Aug 8, 2011 - 8:06 PM EDT

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I KNEW they must be spelling her name WRONG, they were spelling it GARBNER, instead of GARDNER

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 09:07:24 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80445-onderzoek-verdwenen-toerist-gaat-door

Google translation:

Research missing tourist continues         

MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2011 2:15 P.M.

ORANGE CITY - Authorities have Sunday again studied the disappearance of American tourist Robyn Lynn Garbner at Baby Beach.

Employees of the investigation, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the suspect GVG (50) went to the spot where G. said the victim lost his sight while snorkeling. Reportedly, the researchers in that location scenarios filmed. The 35-year-old disappeared last week after Garbner a snorkeling trip with her ​​50-year-old companion GG He told her that he had lost, but attracted the attention of the police through his seemingly calm attitude. Further research by the investigators increased the suspicion that the police already had and eventually the man was arrested Friday afternoon at the airport when he tried to leave our country. According to sources, victim and suspect know each other and the Internet have come together to Aruba.


My guess is that if they recently met, on the internet....that "insurance scam" Aruba fallback, won't apply.

I agree, but we're reasonable people.  The facts don't seem to affect the speculation in Aruba though. 

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 09:24:41 PM
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/breaking/Maryland-Woman-Missing-in-Aruba-127279518.html

Facebook comments:

Nikki Bloum

I am praying for you Robyn! Please come back to Richard. He misses you!
1 · Like · Reply · Subscribe · 20 minutes ago

 ::snipping2::

Looks like it could be her in this profile picture imo.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452363513

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08082011RichardForester_FBProfile.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2011, 10:03:49 PM
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/breaking/Maryland-Woman-Missing-in-Aruba-127279518.html

Facebook comments:

Nikki Bloum

I am praying for you Robyn! Please come back to Richard. He misses you!
1 · Like · Reply · Subscribe · 20 minutes ago

 ::snipping2::

Looks like it could be her in this profile picture imo.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452363513

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08082011RichardForester_FBProfile.jpg)

TM, I'm confused.  Was she in Aruba with someone other than Richard?  Is Richard her boyfriend?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2011, 10:19:27 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6023855873_7dfdc21232_b.jpg)

Companion name initials per Aruba is GG.  Boyfriend is Richard Forester?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 08, 2011, 10:50:43 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6023855873_7dfdc21232_b.jpg)

Companion name initials per Aruba is GG.  Boyfriend is Richard Forester?

The guy she was traveling with is 50 years old and they met on the internet.  Perhaps they met just to have snorkleing companion, and her boyfriend couldn't go?????  BF is not  50.  Looks more in his 30s's.  ???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 11:04:07 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6023855873_7dfdc21232_b.jpg)

Companion name initials per Aruba is GG.  Boyfriend is Richard Forester?

The guy she was traveling with is 50 years old and they met on the internet.  Perhaps they met just to have snorkleing companion, and her boyfriend couldn't go?????  BF is not  50.  Looks more in his 30s's.  ???

I've been reading the same... I think she'd only known the guy that they've arrested two months if I'm understanding correctly.  And that may have only been through the internet.

Scary huh?

Richard posted that she went to Aruba without him.  I posted a few of the FB comments over in the thread for Robyn.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11942.msg1459330#new


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 11:13:55 PM
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/breaking/Maryland-Woman-Missing-in-Aruba-127279518.html

Facebook comments:

Nikki Bloum

I am praying for you Robyn! Please come back to Richard. He misses you!
1 · Like · Reply · Subscribe · 20 minutes ago

 ::snipping2::

Looks like it could be her in this profile picture imo.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452363513

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08082011RichardForester_FBProfile.jpg)

TM, I'm confused.  Was she in Aruba with someone other than Richard?  Is Richard her boyfriend?

I'm confused too klaas.  Richard has some explaining to do imo.   ::MonkeyConfused::

He claims he's been her boyfriend for over two years.  But she went to Aruba without him.

And that Gary Giordano has some explaining to do as well.

I've got a few questions for him, starting with...

How many times have you been to Aruba?

Who do you know in Aruba?

ETC...





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
I seriously need to pay more attention.  I didn't know we/you started a thread for Robyn, thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
I seriously need to pay more attention.  I didn't know we/you started a thread for Robyn, thanks!

I should have posted a link!

I just started the thread earlier and had been trying to find and take the posts I'd made here over there....without thinking to post a link to that thread here.

You're fine.  I've been the scattered one.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 08, 2011, 11:34:18 PM
I was just so excited to FINALLY see something about her in ENGLISH!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'd translated some of the (Aruba) articles every way I could think of and STILL couldn't understand very much.  Amigoe has gone mostly subscriber articles again so it was hard to figure out what might be going on.

It was really bothering me that no one (USA media wise) seemed to be paying attention to her being missing on that rock.  I was very relieved to see some carry the story today.

I hope they find her and she's safe.  But to be honest, I'm not very optimistic at this point.

Sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2011, 11:58:32 PM
I was just so excited to FINALLY see something about her in ENGLISH!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'd translated some of the (Aruba) articles every way I could think of and STILL couldn't understand very much.  Amigoe has gone mostly subscriber articles again so it was hard to figure out what might be going on.

It was really bothering me that no one (USA media wise) seemed to be paying attention to her being missing on that rock.  I was very relieved to see some carry the story today.

I hope they find her and she's safe.  But to be honest, I'm not very optimistic at this point.

Sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::





I have read many times that that area can be very dangerous.  I don't think they adequately warn tourists.  Maybe it was just an accident?  Why would someone she just met want to kill her?   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 12:57:53 AM
I was just so excited to FINALLY see something about her in ENGLISH!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'd translated some of the (Aruba) articles every way I could think of and STILL couldn't understand very much.  Amigoe has gone mostly subscriber articles again so it was hard to figure out what might be going on.

It was really bothering me that no one (USA media wise) seemed to be paying attention to her being missing on that rock.  I was very relieved to see some carry the story today.

I hope they find her and she's safe.  But to be honest, I'm not very optimistic at this point.

Sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



I have read many times that that area can be very dangerous.  I don't think they adequately warn tourists.  Maybe it was just an accident?  Why would someone she just met want to kill her?   

I just posted another article (other thread) that said she'd been meeting him twice a month in the U. S., and  another article tells how the trip came about.  He used some points for the room(s) etc.

I think that area is dangerous in more ways than one.  I can't help but think she would have been found by now if she'd drowned. 

And if they're calling the FBI in supposedly tomorrow...yeah I know..big IF.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm curious how long they'd been there...if they'd been out and about, if you know what I mean...can't help but think that way when I look at her. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 01:11:26 AM
I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 01:15:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 09, 2011, 01:24:56 AM
Yeah something's not adding up


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 01:33:49 AM
I agree.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 01:35:07 AM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979852506

Missing Woman Disappeared in Aruba

August 08, 2011 08:45 PM EDT

2 people recommend this | comments: 3

A woman is missing from Aruba in a case that seems reminiscent of the Natalee Holloway disappearance. The Maryland woman was visiting Aruba and was last seen around August 2nd at a casino and resort. Could she have met the same fate as some of the other missing women who've vanished while traveling abroad?

(http://images.wjla.com/biopictures/robyn-gardner-missing-aruba_296.jpg)

Robyn Gardner, 35, shares a striking resemblance to the missing teen from Alabama, Natalee Holloway. She is blonde, attractive and looks a few years younger than her actual age. Before anyone takes offense to the comparisons made between this disappearance and that of the Holloway case, it's important to know that even her own family made the connection. The boyfriend of Robyn Gardner suspects something terrible has happened and personally contacted the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 09, 2011, 09:05:22 AM
Looks like the boyfriend is in Aruba now?

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35198-awor-e-boy-friend-di-robyn-gardner-cu-ta-perdi-na-aruba-a-meld-su-mes-.html (http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35198-awor-e-boy-friend-di-robyn-gardner-cu-ta-perdi-na-aruba-a-meld-su-mes-.html)

Awor e boyfriend di Robyn Gardner cu ta perdi na Aruba a meld su mes
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Richard_forester

E homber Richard Forester ta un Mericano cu a identifca su mes como boyfriend di e muher Mericano cu ta perdi. E muher Robyn Gardner ta e persona cu a bai snorkel cu e homber Gary Giordano y nunca mas a bolbe. E homber Giordano mes ta deteni e momentonan aki. E ta wordo sospecha di homicidio. E tabata ultimo persona cu tabata cu e dama.

Aunke el a ofrece su mes pa keda Aruba pa coperacion tog nan a detene saliendo for di Aruba. Awor cu e noticia a sali riba ArubaHerald.com cu ta un website di noticia na ingles tin reaccionnan cu a drenta. E tal Richard Forester a indentifica su mes como frei di e dama Americano perdi. E homber deteni Gary Giordano tambe a bin cu e dama como su partner den e biahe. Dos biaha pa luna mas of menos nan dos sa topa. E muher a conoce e sospechoso riba un datesite di Merca. Asina nan a yega den contacto y tabata Sali leu leu. E dama prome cu su biahe pa Aruba recien a yega bek di un biahe cu su amiganan.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 09, 2011, 09:08:40 AM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/35201-joran-vd-sloot-ta-evalua-extradicion.html (http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/35201-joran-vd-sloot-ta-evalua-extradicion.html)

Joran v/d Sloot ta evalua extradicion    
Tuesday, 09 August 2011 01:26

more of one year owing to happen end of the asesinato of the young peruvian sthephany flores the sospechoso joran v/d sloot owing to break his silencio y once more owing to know of busca antencion of prensa peruvian. in one carta send for her declaration of policy of television "el dominical" the la manifesta of is wardando his caso in corte. the young dutch owing to remarca of owing to copera 100% cu autoridadnan policial y owing to denuncia of is victima of various abuse. besides v/d sloot owing to menciona of is interesa in the tratado new among peru y the netherlands for extradicion. joran v/d sloot also owing to deny of is father of cualkier child at peru y owing to splica pakico the la change of advocate. come across


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 12:44:59 PM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/35201-joran-vd-sloot-ta-evalua-extradicion.html (http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/35201-joran-vd-sloot-ta-evalua-extradicion.html)

Joran v/d Sloot ta evalua extradicion    
Tuesday, 09 August 2011 01:26

more of one year owing to happen end of the asesinato of the young peruvian sthephany flores the sospechoso joran v/d sloot owing to break his silencio y once more owing to know of busca antencion of prensa peruvian. in one carta send for her declaration of policy of television "el dominical" the la manifesta of is wardando his caso in corte. the young dutch owing to remarca of owing to copera 100% cu autoridadnan policial y owing to denuncia of is victima of various abuse. besides v/d sloot owing to menciona of is interesa in the tratado new among peru y the netherlands for extradicion. joran v/d sloot also owing to deny of is father of cualkier child at peru y owing to splica pakico the la change of advocate. come across

Thank Klaas.

Could it be that that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" have been working behind the scenes to assure that Joran does not serve his sentence in a Peruvian lockup for the murder of Stephany Flores?

Could it be that Joran van der Sloot is calling the shots?

Could it be that Joran is threatening to tell all in regards who in the Dutch/Aruba administration were behind the cover up that has shield him from accountable for his role in the demise of Natalee Holloway if he is not extradicted?

Could it be that Joran is threatening to tell all in regards to his designated role to further Aruba's underground economny encompassing the drug trade ... the sex trade ... illegal gambling ... if he is not extradicted?

Janet

+++++

IT IS A KNOWN FACT

Jossy Mansur - Editor of Aruban Publication "Dairio".
The Dana Pletzer Show
July 23, 2007


PLETZER: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

MANSUR:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

Heli/RU

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


I HAVE A VIP PASS

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I go to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


THEY NEVER WANTED TO IMPLICATE

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. ....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FIND THE TRUTH

'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 8/12/2005 9:33:28 AM ET


GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  ....  Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   
ET

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:   I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 01:01:47 PM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)



THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:
  It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Anna on August 09, 2011, 01:25:13 PM
Yeah something's not adding up

Well, girls do sometimes just "go missing" in Aruba, donchaknow!

 ::MonkeyMad::

Guys, too, and it's always an "insurance scam" per Aruba.  They seem to have only rudimentary knowledge of how insurance actually works and the fact that the FBI can access policy information, etc.  At least they pretend to not know.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 09, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
It's not going away, Aruba.  Help Beth bring Natalee home to the United States!

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/missing-blonde-beauty-aruba-robyn-gardner-echoes-natalee-holloway

NIGHTMARE IN PARADISE: ECHOES OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY
Published on: August 9, 2011
By NATIONAL ENQUIRER staff

Missing blonde beauty disappears in Aruba, echoing the disappearance of NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

 ::snipping2::

Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba.  Dutch thug Joran van der Sloot remains the key suspect in that case.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 09, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/missing-blonde-beauty-aruba-robyn-gardner-echoes-natalee-holloway

NIGHTMARE IN PARADISE: ECHOES OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 09, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.
  Hi Y'all!  I hope everyone is doing well.  I've been reading here and on the Caylee thread the past few months and thank you for all the latest info Monkeys!  Baby Beach is very isolated and creepy if you ask me.  You drive forever to the tip of the island, through sand dune type roads and follow wooden signs past the prison.  You see the ocean but nothing else and you feel like you are lost or if something happened - no one would know!  There is a small hamburger hut and a few umbrella tables and that is it.  If you look out towards the ocean, you are in a small cove that is protected by a shell covered sandbar.  There is an opening that goes out to the crashing waves on the other side.  I'm sure the current is strong there.  I hope they find this poor woman.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 09, 2011, 07:11:22 PM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)



THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:
  It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx
  God bless you Beth Holloway.  She looks so good and is doing such good work on behalf of Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 08:37:33 PM
I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.

When I posted this, I hadn't done any research.  Now I've done enough to be concerned about this guy.  I hope the FBI gets involved and digs really deep.  I've got several possible scenarios I'm thinking about, none of them good.

I just hope they find her, so dead or alive will at least be answered.  For her family's sake.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 09, 2011, 08:40:38 PM
I read today about Aruba's latest disappearance.  I guess Beth still has a lot to do to educate people about the dangers of this island.  It never ceases to amaze me that people still go there and think it cannot happen to them.  I do pray they find this woman soon and she is o.k.

Anything yet on the Kalpoe's lawsuit?

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.
  Hi Y'all!  I hope everyone is doing well.  I've been reading here and on the Caylee thread the past few months and thank you for all the latest info Monkeys!  Baby Beach is very isolated and creepy if you ask me.  You drive forever to the tip of the island, through sand dune type roads and follow wooden signs past the prison.  You see the ocean but nothing else and you feel like you are lost or if something happened - no one would know!  There is a small hamburger hut and a few umbrella tables and that is it.  If you look out towards the ocean, you are in a small cove that is protected by a shell covered sandbar.  There is an opening that goes out to the crashing waves on the other side.  I'm sure the current is strong there.  I hope they find this poor woman.

Thanks for the info Sharon/Tx! 

Yes, I've posted articles where several people have drowned there...but the ones I recall at the moment were found.

I hope they find her too. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f10/please-careful-snorkeling-45917/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 09:16:46 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20516828,00.html

Robyn Gardner Goes Missing in Aruba
BY SARA HAMMEL

Tuesday August 09, 2011 08:00 PM EDT

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/110822/natalee-holloway-320.jpg)
Natalee Holloway (left) and Robyn Gardner
AP

A Maryland woman has vanished in Aruba after taking a snorkeling trip with a friend, MyFoxDC reports.

The disappearance of Robyn Gardner, 35, last week comes six years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway vanished from the same resort town.

Police are questioning the man Gardner was with on the island, Gary Giordano of Frederick, Md., who reportedly told investigators the pair took a snorkeling trip – and that Gardner never returned to shore.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 10:33:23 PM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)



THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:
  It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

God bless you Beth Holloway.  She looks so good and is doing such good work on behalf of Natalee.
 

 ::rhino::

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway - May, 2010

"Every tragic event brings about the need for education and change."
Beth Holloway - July, 2011


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 10:40:14 PM
NATALEE'S HERO

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway


Page 229:  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...

 :smt060



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 10:46:27 PM
OTHERS MIGHT LEARN

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200
:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

 :smt049

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
Gary Giordano places himself at the scene when Robyn Gardner went missing.

Janet

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Another US woman missing in Aruba
Aug 9, 2011 11:02 PM EST


ARUBA (WIAT) -- There's another missing person's mystery in Aruba as a woman disappears while vacationing.  Now, her travel companion is being held by police.

His attorney issued a statement to the Associated Press saying his client is being held unjustly in the disappearance of a 35-year-old woman.

Gary Giordano reportedly told Aruban police that Robyn Gardner disappeared while the two were snorkeling.  His attorneys said that Giordano was told he was not a suspect and didn't have to stay in Aruba; however, police detained him at the airport before he could board a flight.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Another-US-woman-missing-in-Aruba/fZutTDvG80-9BMHQpnvNIA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2011, 11:40:53 PM
Holly Bobo Family Opens Up On OpenLine
Posted: Aug 09, 2011 7:43 PM PDT
Updated: Aug 09, 2011 8:16 PM PDT


NASHVILLE, Tenn. - It will soon be four months since anyone has seen Holly Bobo alive. Her family is desperate to keep her case, and her face, out there in the public.

"I'm just doing what any loving parent would do and that is pleading and begging for anyone to come in and help," said Karen Bobo, Holly Bobo's mother.

<snipped>

Karen Bobo said she heard from the mother of Natalie Holloway just this past Sunday; she also spoke recently with the once missing Elizabeth Smart and her father, who also offered encouragement.

"Her father, of course, his advice was as what we're trying to do, keep her name out there," Karen recalled.

<snipped>

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15239639/holly-bobo-family-opens-up-on-openline


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2011, 11:44:07 PM
Poll

http://www.crimemuseum.org/


Joran Van der Sloot was arrested last year for the killing of Stephanie Flores in Peru. Do you think that he should be sentenced with:

Manslaughter (as he states he killed her in a fit of rage)
Murder (killed her as a result of robbery)
As long as he gets life imprisonment, I don't care.
Other


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2011, 01:46:32 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/09/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Another American Woman Disappears in Aruba

Aired August 9, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Bombshell tonight. Another American girl goes missing, Aruba. After Aruban police refuse to make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot in the disappearance of Alabama girl Natalee Holloway, Maryland tourist Robyn Gardner disappears without a trace from the very same resort town as Natalee Holloway.

Tonight, where is American tourist Robyn Gardner?

 ::snipping2::


GRACE: Let`s go straight to Aruba. Joining us tonight, the CEO of "Aruba Herald." It is Mark Benson Denz. Thank you very much for being with us. What are you hearing from Aruban authorities about the missing American girl?

MARK BENSON DENZ, CEO, ARUBA HERALD (via telephone): Good evening, Nancy, and to your other guests. Well, we have spoken a few minutes ago with the prosecutors here in Aruba. And as you said, there`s not much new information that they are willing to disclose at this time. What we do know is that they have put together a special task force of the police headed by one of the chief of the policemen and are working day and night to find a solution to see exactly what has happened to Robyn.

 ::snipping2::

GRACE: Back to Mark Benson Denz joining us, the CEO from "The Aruba Herald." I`m just very curious if -- has any evidence seized? Do we know anything about what police are actually doing to find the girl? What -- are they searching right now? What are they doing to find Robyn?

DENZ: Correct. Well, immediately after Robyn was reported missing that Tuesday afternoon at around 6:00 o`clock, we know that the Dutch coast guard together with the local search and rescue organization and the local police, as well as on land and also in sea, started to search. But after about 11:00 o`clock at night, it was very dark, so it didn`t make any sense to really continue the search.

And the next morning at 6:00 o`clock, they continued to do the search. Even the minister of justice was present to make sure that everything possible was being done in order to search for this person that has been reported missing.

GRACE: Well, Mark -- Mark, are they still searching for her? Or have they called off the search?

DENZ: No, there are still search going on, specifically more from the water, on the water side.

 ::snipping2::

GRACE: That`s a good point, Michael. Back to Mark Benson Denz with "The Aruba Herald." Mark, again, thank you for joining us -- Mark joining us tonight from Aruba. Mark, have police been able to narrow down that they were, in fact, actually snorkeling? Have they been able to determine where they rented their snorkel gear from?

DENZ: OK, I have to explain something. They were seen, it has been confirmed -- there are people that have testified that they have seen these two people together at the Baby Beach. But Baby Beach is not the exact area. It`s close by. It`s about six to seven minutes walk from the area where they actually went to snorkel, which is behind 90 (ph) Nanki Concrete (ph) Country Club.

And it`s a bit of an abandoned place. There are a company that rents out gear for snorkeling and also diving. We have not received the information from the police if they have rented snorkeling gear because snorkeling gear is actually pretty easy to just buy at a store and just use. So we do not have that information.

But the Baby Beach, where a lot of people traffic with their children and go to the beach, is a very populated area, and there they have confirmed to see them together. But we did not receive information -- the police did not want to release information if they have seen them actually snorkeling at the 90 Nanki Concrete Beach Club area, where the mister (ph) who has been detained is saying that they were snorkeling.

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2011, 02:48:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2011, 02:51:00 AM
I read today about Aruba's latest disappearance.  I guess Beth still has a lot to do to educate people about the dangers of this island.  It never ceases to amaze me that people still go there and think it cannot happen to them.  I do pray they find this woman soon and she is o.k.

Anything yet on the Kalpoe's lawsuit?

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

Hi Blue Moon!  I missed your post earlier.  Nothing new on the Kalpoe's lawsuit that I know of.  But I haven't really checked, hopefully Klaas and others are watching .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 10, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
I read today about Aruba's latest disappearance.  I guess Beth still has a lot to do to educate people about the dangers of this island.  It never ceases to amaze me that people still go there and think it cannot happen to them.  I do pray they find this woman soon and she is o.k.

Anything yet on the Kalpoe's lawsuit?


 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

Nothing really new.  There is some "Motion to Compel" on both sides going back and forth and when I see something that looks like it might be worth while I'll get and post it.  The documents are costly and often a waste of time so I try and be careful.  The trial is still set for October and there is a Motion to Compel hearing in September.  I believe the Kalpoes are still trying to get some info out of the Kay Skeeters estate. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
Tuesday, August 09, 2011
Woman goes missing in Caribbean, acquaintance detained


Gary Vincent Giordano of Gaithersburg, 50, was arrested in Aruba in connection with the disappearance of Robyn Gardner, 35, according to the Natalee Holloway Research Center in Washington, D.C., who received the information from Gardner’s boyfriend, Richard Forester. Aruba police would not confirm the name of the person arrested, but would only say his initials are G.V.G. and that he was headed to the United States before his arrest.

<snipped>

Gardner was last seen Aug. 2 at the Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino in Oranjestad, Aruba. She was having lunch at the time, Angela said. Giordano alerted authorities that Gardner was missing that day after they went snorkeling, according to the Aruba Herald.

According to the Herald, Giordano told police they had gone snorkeling Aug. 2. The pair swam for some time before Giordano decided to return, not noticing that Gardner was not with him.

<snipped>

According to the Natalee Holloway Foundation, Gardner is 5 feet 5 inches tall and 120 pounds, with blonde hair and brown eyes. She has tattoos on her left arm from the back of her shoulder to her elbow, her rib cage and her right bicep.

<snipped>

http://www.gazette.net/article/20110809/NEWS/708099961/1009/woman-goes-missing-in-caribbean-acquaintance-detained&template=gazette





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 10:50:07 AM
Holloway Resource Center helps in Aruba missing woman case
August 10, 2011


<snipped>

In Frederick, Maryland  Gardner's boyfriend of two years, Richard Forester, said he just wants her back. The two fought but made up before she left for the trip, Forester claimed.

Forester contacted the Natalee Holloway Resource Center in Washington, D.C., which helped spread news of Gardner's disappearance. The center was founded by Natalee's mother Beth and provides assistance to the families of missing people.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Holloway-Resource-Center-helps-in-Aruba-missing/YV2tWGtJ80qR1J5ArBS_nA.cspx

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Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 11:05:31 AM
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 10, 2011, 02:06:27 PM
Callan has been a member of the Peruvian National Police Force for two decades, worked the Flores crime scene and interrogated Joran.
According to Callan’s file

21 Reasons Jor an Van der Sloot Is Guilty


1. Before leaving the Atlantic City Casino with Stephany, Van der Sloot observed
Flores exchange poker chips for cash, which made robbery an attractive crime.
2. Van der Sloot admitted in the presence of a public ministry representative, his
defense lawyer, and translator of having robbed Flores of 850 soles, her national
ID, credit cards, bank card, as well as her Jeep on May 30. When Flores resisted
the attack, Van der Sloot physically assaulted her, before he asphyxiated her,
thus causing her death.
3. Stephany’s empty purse was found at the scene of the crime missing her
money, bank cards and ID, which Van der Sloot admitted to having stolen.
4. The cruelty exhibited by Van der Sloot as evidenced by the lesions on the
different parts of her body, leaving open the possibility that inside Room 309 Van
der Sloot may have tortured Stephany in an attempt to obtain the passwords to
the victim’s credit and bank cards in order to access the money in her accounts,
showing no appreciation for human life.
5. The way in which Van der Sloot attempted to lighten his penal responsibility in
this crime by saying that he committed the murder in self-defense, claiming
Stephany initially struck him on the head. This is hardly credible given that
Stephany sustained severe injuries to the head, face, and neck.
6. The autopsy report established that Stephany’s body, in an advanced state of
decomposition — presented signs of cranial, encephalic, and cervical trauma; the
cause of death being a blunt instrument, namely, Joran’s fists.
7. The time of death coincides with the time when the victim was seen alive for
the last time entering Van der Sloot’s hotel room. A fact corroborated by security
videos captured inside the Hotel Tac between 5:30 A.M. and 8:13 A.M. on May
30, 2010.
8. Van der Sloot employed physical force, which resulted in concussions to the
head, traumatic lesions to the face, cranial fractures, and sub-cranial
hemorrhaging in order to subdue his victim. He then strangled her with both
hands and lastly asphyxiated her, as was corroborated in the autopsy report.
9. Footage from the security cameras of the Atlantic City Casino show that
Stephany Flores arrived at the casino on May 30 at 2:54 A.M. driving her black
Jeep and was captured again on video at 5:15 A.M. leaving the casino in the
company of Joran.
10. Through a photo lineup Hotel Tac employees Beidy Salazar Santillan,
Reynaldo Cruz, and Adeli Marchena recognized the Dutchman as the guest who
on May 30 at 5:20 A.M. entered Room 309 in the company of Stephany Flores
before driving away alone in the victim’s Jeep that same morning at 8:45 A.M.
11. Upon observing the videos of the security cameras inside the Hotel Tac, one
can see the nervous attitude of the alleged perpetrator entering and exiting Room
309 after committing the crime, presumably attempting to come up with a
possible alibi.
12. Driver John Williams Pisconte, his brother John Oswaldo, and Carlos Euribe
Pretil all identified Van der Sloot as the passenger they had driven to the city of
Arica.
13. The contradictions between Van der Sloot’s confession while in Peruvian
custody and the voluntary deposition given in Chile in which he made up a story
about a robbery perpetrated by two subjects that were inside Room 309 armed
with a knife and a firearm when he entered the room in the company of Stephany
Flores. His first version of events was hardly credible considering that the
employees of the Hotel Tac never observed other persons entering Room 309, a
fact that is backed up by surveillance footage.
14. The attitude and criminal conduct exhibited by the Dutch citizen in having
abandoned the body of Stephany Flores after perpetrating the crime,
demonstrating coldness in his acts, and then fleeing for the Chilean border with
the only purpose of evading justice.
15. The pre-existence of money was established through the Prize Reports and
videos of the Atlantic City showing the victim, Stephany Flores, had won on a
$10,000 bet on May 24, 2010, and on April 30 she also obtained winnings in the
amount of 676 soles. The money was stolen by Van der Sloot, a fact that is
corroborated through records turned over to police by the casino.
16. Video records from the Hotel Tac prove that the striped red shirt Van der
Sloot gave the drivers during his trip from Ica was the same piece of clothing that
he was wearing when he fled the Hotel Tac.
17. The recovery of clothing among which was the striped red shirt, this being the
piece of clothing that he wore after victimizing Stephany Flores before fleeing the
crime scene in her SUV. The shirt was given as partial payment to the cabbies
that transported him to the Chilean border with the objective of fleeing Peru after
committing the crime.
18. The clothing abandoned at the scene of the crime after murdering Stephany
Flores were clearly recognized as belonging to the suspect.
19. Police established that the “modus operandi” of Jarn Andreas Petrus Van der

Sloot was selecting female victims in casinos and through deceit obtaining his
victim’s money, and in this way obtaining easy money.
20. It was scientifically established that fingerprints obtained from Van der Sloot
while in custody in Lima matched prints lifted from Stephany’s Jeep. The prints
corresponded to the pinky and ring fingers of the detainee’s right hand.
21. It was scientifically established that the other fingerprints lifted from the scene
of the crime gathered by homicide technicians, from the edge of the glass
ashtray, nightstand, the central part of the plastic bottle found on the TV table,
and a transparent plastic bottle without a lid, were a match to the middle and ring
finger of Van der Sloot’s right hand, as well as the middle finger of his left hand.
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/21reasonsvandersloot.pdf




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 10, 2011, 02:09:59 PM
Kalpoe's 2 months till you will be seated in a USA courtroom ................



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 02:21:18 PM
Aruba Tourism Authority on the mysterious death of another American
August 10, 2011


The mysterious disappearance of a 35-year-old American who allegedly was snorkeling with a male American companion on Aruba marks the second time a female U.S. tourist has vanished on the popular Caribbean island in a decade.

The Associated Press reports that Robyn Gardner of Frederick, Md., is missing and that her travel companion, Gary V. Giordano, said she never returned to shore after he signaled for them to go in on Aug. 2. The Aruba prosecutor's office says Giordano (whom they identify only as "GVG") is being detained for questioning

Does this give Aruba another tourist black eye? Many Americans were irate when U.S. teen Natalee Holloway disappeared on a school trip in May 2005 and then allegedly died after apparently going to a lonely beach with local Joran Van der Sloot and his friends after a night of clubbing. Some even boycotted the island, though it is known as being generally peaceful.

The Aruba Tourism Authority said today that as Gardner's disappearance does not appear to be "a tourism situation, we are not commenting." The authority says North American visitation was up 1.48% last year from 2009, and that in July 2011, Aruba reported 50,558 U.S. visitors, up 6.5% over July 2010.

<snipped>

http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/post/2011/08/aruba-tourism-authority-on-the-mysterious-death-of-another-american-/414565/1

+++++

Website: Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook: Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
Statement from the Aruban Prosecutor

Aruba Tourism Authority on the mysterious death of another American
August 10, 2011


<snipped>

An Aug. 9 Aruba prosecutor's statement was forwarded to USA TODAY. Here it is:

"On August 2, 2011 at about 6.23 PM (local time) 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club and that at a given moment he had signaled his friend to swim back to the beach. He stated further that the woman had not reached the beach together with him and apparently had remained in the water.

The American woman in question is R.G, age 35, the man is indicated as G.V.G, age 50, also an American.

In spite of intense searches during a number of days by amongst others the surveillance department and the detective department of the Aruban Police, the Aruban Maritime Police, the Coast Guard, Search and Rescue Divers and volunteer divers of Jads and the use of two helicopters, an airplane and several boats, until now the woman has not been found in sea or on the shore.

The statements made by the traveling companion led to such questions that on Friday, August 5, 2011 it was decided to detain him for further questioning on the possible drowning of the woman."

<snipped>

http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/post/2011/08/aruba-tourism-authority-on-the-mysterious-death-of-another-american-/414565/1

+++++

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
Could it be that Robyn Gardner's mother put pressure on Aruba to detain Giordano rather than allowing him to return to the States?

Could it be that invaluable advice was afforded that implied there could possibly be issues related to jurisdiction/extradiction if further questioning was required if Giordano left the Island?

+++++

Permission to Leave

Md. man faces more questions in woman's disappearance in Aruba
August 10, 2011
[/b]

Giordano's Aruban lawyer, Michael Lopez, said his client was being unjustly held.

<snipped>

Lopez said that in the following days, Giordano assisted with the search and answered questions from police. He said his client waited until the woman's mother arrived before he decided he should return to the U.S.  Giordano says he was given permission to leave by an official at the U.S. consulate on the nearby island of Curacao, the lawyer said.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44090650/ns/world_news-americas/


Further Questioning

Aruba Tourism Authority on the mysterious death of another American
August 10, 2011


<snipped>

An Aug. 9 Aruba prosecutor's statement was forwarded to USA TODAY. Here it is:

" ... The statements made by the traveling companion led to such questions that on Friday, August 5, 2011 it was decided to detain him for further questioning on the possible drowning of the woman."

<snipped>

http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/post/2011/08/aruba-tourism-authority-on-the-mysterious-death-of-another-american-/414565/1


Jurisdiction and Extradition!!

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  ...And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 04:18:06 PM
Over six years later ... Beth Holloway continues to be Aruba's worst nightmare.  With Natalee Holloway's mother in the background affording advice to the mother of Robyn Gardner ... justice has a chance of prevailing.  Aruba realizes that the world is watching.

++++++


Missing in Aruba Suspect's Lawyer Says 'There's No Proof'
Aug. 10, 2011


<snipped>

Natalee Holloway's Mom Gets Involved

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, a foundation started after Holloway's disappearance, has been offering help to Gardner's boyfriend, Richard Forester.

"It strikes a chord close to home because that's where my nightmare began, the day I got the call in 2005," Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee, told ABC News. "We want to be a first responder to these families, we want to be there to help them. "

<snipped>

Beth Holloway knows the dread Gardner's family must be feeling and had advice for them.

"I think about just the devastating, unimaginable nightmare ahead," Holloway said. "Being in a foreign destination is the most incomprehensible [situation], the language barriers, the foreign government. All of the documents are in Dutch, it's Dutch law, and there's not a homeland connection during the process."

Holloway encouraged the family to ask Aruba to involve the FBI, she said.

"There's a protocol you have to follow. The FBI doesn't have jurisdiction in foreign places, but the family can send a plea to the government to ask them to invite the FBI to be involved. It's one of the first steps I took early on, because it's comforting to have the victim's homeland law enforcement working on the case," Holloway said.

Holloway said she hopes that Gardner's family will keep up the search efforts for their daughter.

"I'd say continue the search, keep passing out fliers and passing information—tips, sources—onto the law enforcement officials there. I would encourage them to accept all media invitations. There are positive steps to finding the loved one," Holloway said.

Though her own daughter was not found and no one was ever found guilty of killing her, Holloway said she hopes for different outcomes for Gardner's case.

"I hope that she is found safe and sound and comes home, but if she isn't, I hope the perpetrator is brought to justice," she said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-missing-aruba-natalee-holloways-mother/story?id=14271819
______


Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 04:40:29 PM
Beth Holloway will be a guest on Nancy Grace this evening.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2011, 05:49:04 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-missing-aruba-natalee-holloways-mother/story?id=14271819

Missing in Aruba Suspect's Lawyer Says 'There's No Proof

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_robyn_gardner_2_dm_110810_wg.jpg)

Robyn Gardner, 35, of Frederick, Md. is shown in this file photo. (Natalee Holloway Resource Center/AP Photo)

By COLLEEN CURRY and ANDREA CANNING (@andreacanGMA)

Aug. 10, 2011

The attorney for a man being held in Aruba for the disappearance at sea of Robyn Gardner claimed today that there is no evidence that his client committed murder.

 ::snipping2::

Maryland court documents show that a Gary Giordano there has a criminal record, including two orders of protection taken out by women that claimed he was violent. One was taken out by his ex-wife during their divorce procedings.

Two women who say they dated Giordano told "Good Morning America" he was terrifying, and another woman said Giordano stalked her.

"He was like following me, stalking me, and it freaked me out," said the woman, who wished to remain anonymous.


Beth Holloway knows the dread Gardner's family must be feeling and had advice for them.

"I think about just the devastating, unimaginable nightmare ahead," Holloway said. "Being in a foreign destination is the most incomprehensible [situation], the language barriers, the foreign government. All of the documents are in Dutch, it's Dutch law, and there's not a homeland connection during the process."

Holloway encouraged the family to ask Aruba to involve the FBI, she said.

"There's a protocol you have to follow. The FBI doesn't have jurisdiction in foreign places, but the family can send a plea to the government to ask them to invite the FBI to be involved. It's one of the first steps I took early on, because it's comforting to have the victim's homeland law enforcement working on the case," Holloway said.

Holloway said she hopes that Gardner's family will keep up the search efforts for their daughter.

"I'd say continue the search, keep passing out fliers and passing information—tips, sources—onto the law enforcement officials there. I would encourage them to accept all media invitations. There are positive steps to finding the loved one," Holloway said.

Though her own daughter was not found and no one was ever found guilty of killing her, Holloway said she hopes for different outcomes for Gardner's case.

"I hope that she is found safe and sound and comes home, but if she isn't, I hope the perpetrator is brought to justice," she said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2011, 05:54:48 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/10/earlyshow/main20090530.shtml

August 10, 2011 9:32 AM


Missing Md. woman's companion in Aruba detained

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/08/09/Robyn-Gardner-08_244x183.jpg)
Robyn Gardner (Flickr/Personal Photo)

 ::snipping2::

Beth Holloway told CBS News, "You are pretty much at the mercy of the foreign destination's law enforcement to decide when to give you the information, if to give you information. It's very frustrating. It's very frightening."


But more than a week after her disappearance, all the family can do is hope that Robyn Gardner doesn't become the next Natalee Holloway.


Natalee Holloway, from Alabama, disappeared during a high school class trip to the island in 2005. Her remains were never found, and the main person of interest in the case, Joran van der Sloot, is in prison in Peru on charges of killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores last May. Van der Sloot is a Dutch national who lived on Aruba at the time Natalee Holloway disappeared.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
Beth Holloway comprehends perfectly the overwhelming emotions of Robyn Gardner’s mother as she deals alone with a justice system that places the best interest of its tourist industry over a victim.

Why did it take almost a week for the disappearance of Robyn Gardner to come to the attention of the media? Why was Gary Giordano initially given permission to return to the States?

Could it be that Aruba was again attempting to sweep the disappearance of an American on the Happy Island under the proverbial rug?

+++++++

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 55
: Last night’s meeting with the DEA agent would be the last time we would see him. I was told he was just on the island “on vacation,” but considering his line of work, I have to wonder about that. Even wonder if the name he gave us was really his. None of that matters. I’m just thankful he was here when he was to help us get the ball rolling by directing us to go to Carlos ‘n Charlie’s, and helping us with the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard. But now we’re alone, politically and law enforcement-wise. Even though we’ve met Homeland Security and DEA representatives, there‘s nothing they can do for us. There’s no U.S. consular office here. No State Department representative. No FBI agent. We’re on our own.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
Kalpoe's 2 months till you will be seated in a USA courtroom ................



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2011, 07:56:29 PM
Beth Holloway will be a guest on Nancy Grace this evening.

Janet

Five minutes to go!!

Janet
4:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 11, 2011, 12:36:24 AM
Beth!   :smt060

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE
Aruban Police Detain Missing Woman`s Companion
Aired August 10, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

 ::snipping2::

GRACE: Welcome back. I`m Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us. Joining us now is a special guest, Beth Holloway. We all know Beth, who went through so much in her effort to find her daughter, Natalee, not only a beauty but an honor student, beautiful on the inside, as well, Natalee missing all these years, the case still not put to rest. Beth Holloway joining us.

Beth, question. Do you believe that Aruban authorities will actually do what it takes to solve this case?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER (via telephone): I certainly hope so, Nancy. We think about all the hard lessons that I`ve learned. Surely, they`ve learned a few, as well, and will understand, and you know, act in an expeditious manner as possible in helping the family have a resolution into what happened to Robyn.

And you know, just listening to Richard describe her typical habits, and when you pair that with the timing of the call that came in from Gary and no eyewitnesses to place them there, I mean, it sure adds up to something not good was transpiring for Robyn.

GRACE: You know, Beth, as always, you`re such a lady and you put such a positive spin on everything. When you say that you hope Aruban authorities will do the right thing, and certainly, they have learned a lesson -- to this day, there are still no formal Aruban charges against Joran Van Der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee.

HOLLOWAY: Well, I mean, you`re exactly right. But like I said, hopefully, you know, now they`ll understand, you know, how they have to respond to and handle cases and persons of interest and act with, you know, professionalism and really pull this together.

GRACE: You know, Beth, I pray that you`re right. Everyone, as you know now, Beth is at the helm of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center. They became involved in the case when Robyn goes missing. You know, Beth Holloway was just talking about what they need to do to find Robyn Gardner.

Everyone, another American girl missing in Aruba. It`s like history`s happening all over again, hopefully, without the same tragic result.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 11, 2011, 12:40:03 AM
http://www.awe24.com/20110810/8159/Despues_di_a_haci_tanto_da%C3%B1o_na_aruba,_ainda_tin_arubiano_cu_ta_yuda_nancy (http://www.awe24.com/20110810/8159/Despues_di_a_haci_tanto_da%C3%B1o_na_aruba,_ainda_tin_arubiano_cu_ta_yuda_nancy)

after of owing to haci tanto damage at aruba, still have aruban cu is help nancy grace? as fix aruba his name!

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8159/1_1312999965.jpg)

11 hora happen come across, 10 of august 2011 13:00 after of several year is talk bad of aruba for algo cu aruba self not have neither art neither parte inside y conociendo his caracter still can have aruban cu is yame (of let they being yama) y talk cune? then lague give bad informacion without corigie? then the aruban ey is anti-aruba same cu nancy! or kizas popularidad personal y exposure be worth more cu aruba? if acaso have person cu live here y not can or does not defende we sweet island, then the personanan ey can wel of empaqueta y bay live bao shade of nancy y live at nancy his amen! minister of turism actua now first cu the cosnan here follow cause damage at we island. let we all lever twitter, login, search aruba y cuminsa reacciona cu mature y comentario positive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 11, 2011, 12:53:07 AM
Aruba made their own bed -- now they have to live with it. They CHOSE to ignore the facts and protect their own with Natalee. Now they will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt -- no matter if this is their fault or not!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 11, 2011, 12:56:54 AM
Aruba made their own bed -- now they have to live with lie in it. They CHOSE to ignore the facts and protect their own with Natalee. Now they will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt -- no matter if this is their fault or not!
::MonkeyDevil2::   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2011, 02:37:37 AM
Aruba made their own bed -- now they have to live with lie in it. They CHOSE to ignore the facts and protect their own with Natalee. Now they will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt -- no matter if this is their fault or not!
::MonkeyDevil2::   ::MonkeyCool::


Absolutely, I agree wreck. 

They can hate Nancy Grace and many others for telling the truth about what goes on there all they want, it won't change anything.

Nancy Grace said it on her show tonight and she was correct.  Beth won't say it but the Aruban authorities do STILL treat Beth badly, they don't give her straight answers because they have no intention of her ever seeking Justice for Natalee. 

Natalee went there and never came home.  They covered up the crimes against her.

Tourists are attacked in many ways whether they're robbed, raped, run over by drunk drivers, or their own dive operators and everyone holds there breath hoping they might get justice.  It doesn't come.  The Aruban people are conditioned to protect the island's image at all costs to preserve their bread and butter...tourism.  And nothing changes.  That's why Aruba is the place to go if you want to get rid of your spouse (over a balcony) or any number of other things that in a normal society would not be acceptable and would be punished.  I'm sickened by all of the articles I've read and posted of those very things...that we NEVER hear another word about. 

If the Aruban people would get as upset about the reputation the island has because of it's joke of a judicial system and raise hell until changes come, there might be hope.  But I don't think that will ever happen.  The people that live there know how it is, every now and then we get a peek into what they really think when they've been robbed or their car vandalized in their own garage...and they vent their frustrations in the social pages.  But then when something like this happens AGAIN, oh it's all One Happy Island, and the enemy media is just telling lies. 

Robyn Gardner may not have fallen victim to a local, she may have been harmed by the man she traveled there with...but then again he may have had help or may have been working in concert with others all along to get her there.  We'll probably never know.  But I do have trouble believing that Gary Giardano was able to arrive on Sunday and commit the perfect murder on Tuesday; where there's no body, no evidence, and more than likely no case.  Maybe someone did see something, but if that person wasn't on the beach to see the searches Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, they may not even know that they witnessed anything.  You don't wait a week to publicize a missing person if you want to properly investigate it.  Martin Savage even commented tonight that he thought Natalee's case may have taught them some lessons about dealing with the media, but he's not sure if they learned as much about a proper investigation.  There were Americans there the entire week that didn't even know Robyn Gardner was missing!  And when those searching didn't find her in the ocean, they should have been searching other places as well.  But then again, like Natalee...they may already know what happened to her and will just drag this out long enough for everyone to give up.  That's what they tried to do in Natalee's case, and it will haunt them forever!  We won't give up.  And every time the name of another American missing there is mentioned, Natalee's will follow! 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2011, 02:39:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2011, 10:31:09 AM
Read more: http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Mother-hopes-woman-missing-in-Aruba-will-be-found-1853785.php#ixzz1UjLOiDwB


Mother hopes woman missing in Aruba will be found

DAVID DISHNEAU, Associated Press

Updated 08:16 a.m., Thursday, August 11, 2011


FREDERICK, Md. (AP) — The mother of a woman who disappeared during a trip to Aruba says the family is hoping for the best outcome and praying she'll be with them soon.

In a statement released by the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, Robyn Gardner's mother, Andrea Colson, also expressed gratitude to Aruban authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond their expectations.

 ::snipping2::


The case is reminiscent of the still-unsolved disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway during a high school class trip to the island in 2005. Her remains were never found.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2011, 11:39:17 AM
DR. DREW
Maryland Woman Missing in Aruba
Aired August 10, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

PINSKY: ... How is your organization, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, getting involved in this case?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, first of all, Richard made the call to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center on August the 8th, which was a great move on his part. We were able to immediately pull together some photos that Richard had given us.

And the biggest asset of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is that we provide is we send out the media release. And as we al know, media is essential in helping to solicit tips and eyewitnesses. So we got that ball rolling through Richard`s efforts.

PINSKY: And Beth, I must say, it has to bring up all of those old feelings, even just seeing what Richard is going through. Have you been in contact with her family?

HOLLOWAY: I have not been in contact with Robyn`s family. And Richard has been communicating with the staff at the Natalee Holloway Resource Center. So we have just been -- I have just been working with the staff there to coordinate.

PINSKY: Has her family been involved with this?

HOLLOWAY: Her family has -- they have not -- no one at the Natalee Holloway Resource Center has spoken to Robyn`s family. I believe the only two people they have spoken to are the cousin and Richard himself.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ddhln.01.html

++++++

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
I have entered the twilight zone.  On last night's Dr. Drew ... Joe Tacopina is empathizing with Natalee's family ... upholding Beth and her foundation while undermining the Aruban so-called investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Its too little; too late in my opinion.

Nevertheless ... Tacopina does not say it how it was.  The Natalee Holloway investigation was not botched.  There were underlying reasons why an agenda was established from the getgo to protect Joran van der Sloot from implication ... an agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for an American citizen and ... Tacopina was a participant in that agenda.

Janet

++++


DR. DREW
Maryland Woman Missing in Aruba
Aired August 10, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

PINSKY:  ... Joe Tacopina, you represented Joran van der Sloot when he was accused of murdering Natalee Holloway in Aruba. What are Aruban authorities going to do to investigate this guy? And is this deja vu all over again?

JOE TACOPINA, FMR. ATTORNEY FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Well, I hope not for this family. And, you know, Beth and her family have gone through hell.

You know, all I can say is this -- unfortunately, the last time around, the Aruban authorities all but botched the investigation from the get-go. You know, I guess they really don`t have much experience in homicide investigations, as they proved five years ago, six years ago almost now.

But, you know, the bottom line is this -- you know, they need to sort of hone in on potential suspects right away and preserve evidence. And again, last time, that was a major problem with their investigation, which is why I still believe that case remains unsolved.

But, you know, it is unfortunately a little eerie. And hopefully this time around, the investigators will be a little more competent.

PINSKY: Well, Joe, let me sort of focus in on that a little bit. Are they not doing that by having jailed the one suspect? I guess this Gary fellow, I think, is behind bars, right?

TACOPINA: Yes. You know, simply jailing someone -- and, again, the laws down there are very different from our laws. You can detain someone there on mere suspicion, not with a charging instrument.

Here, obviously, in the United States, before you take someone`s liberty, you do need to accuse them of a crime. You know, there, they could detain them during the investigation, for better or for worse.

And the fact that they just grab somebody -- the likely suspect, right? By the way, the person that she was with, you know, and put him in a jail doesn`t mean they are doing an investigation.

What they really hopefully are doing this time is really speaking to as many people as possible, not honing in on one suspect and only looking for evidence against that one suspect, but really keeping their scope broad, at least initially, and then hoping in. Again, who knows what they are doing? And hopefully they have, you know, themselves on the right path.

And I know Beth and her organization are down there doing what they can do, which hopefully will help at least uncover certain things that perhaps the Aruban authorities are not equipped to uncover.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ddhln.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER:  ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 11, 2011, 01:17:52 PM
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6741/240508hoga3tf1.jpg)
Strange how tourists don't make it snorkeling at Baby Beach in Aruba!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.400



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 11, 2011, 01:28:30 PM
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6741/240508hoga3tf1.jpg)
Strange how tourists don't make it snorkeling at Baby Beach in Aruba!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.400


 
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2011, 04:10:44 PM
Aruba Requests FBI Help in Missing Woman Case


The country has drafted a request to the FBI to ask for their help investigating the case in the U.S., according to Taco Stein, spokesperson for the prosecutor's office. Stein said they are looking for help getting information from third parties, including cell phone companies.

"Anything you have to ask a third party about must be subpoenaed," Stein said. "So we needed to ask the FBI, because only they can subpoena in the U.S."

Aruba investigators are looking to establish the pair's whereabouts and activities in the days and hours leading up to Gardner's disappearance so that they can present it to a judge on Monday in order to keep Giordano in the country longer, Stein said. Giordano has not been charged with a crime, but a judge can order him held for another eight days on suspicion, Stein said. The court appearance will be closed to the public.

The Aruba police had been in contact with the FBI and American authorities since the beginning of the investigation, Stein said, though they had not formally requested their help until now.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-requests-fbi-missing-woman-robyn-gardner-case/story?id=14279819

Thanks Festa

Aruba will be forthright in the Robyn Gardner investigation.  Justice stands a chance of prevailing for Robyn.  Mark Giordano is not the son of a Dutch elite.  He does not have knowlege of the dirty little secrets encompassing Aruba's underground economy.

Janet

++++


Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 11, 2011, 05:42:41 PM
What I took away from the Dr. Drew show was Tacopina stating:

You know, all I can say is this -- unfortunately, the last time around, the Aruban authorities all but botched the investigation from the get-go. You know, I guess they really don`t have much experience in homicide investigations, as they proved five years ago, six years ago almost now.


He stated Natalee's case was a homicide....not a missing person case.....I even heard Paulus roll over in his grave....if he's in one....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2011, 05:49:14 PM
Gardner's mom prays daughter will be found
Thursday - 8/11/2011, 8:09am  ET


WASHINGTON - Andrea Colson, Robyn Gardner's mom, released the following statement about her daughter through the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

Our daughter Robyn has been missing since August 2, 2011. We can only pray that she will soon be with us and bring back the joy into our lives. She means the world to us. We are hoping for the very best outcome with the help of the international community that we will reach a favorable outcome. We are confident and very grateful to the Aruba authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond all our expectations. I hope you understand that we are being quiet as to not jeopardize the investigation. Please continue to pray for Robyn. Thank you.

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center also established a tip line. Anyone with any tips about Gardner's disappearance can call 407-237-2295

http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2492207




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
NOW

Minister of Tourism meets with local press in relation to disappearance of American woman
Thursday, 11 August 2011 11:21


<snipped>

The Tourism Authority receives many requests for information from international press but they are not commenting. This is because it is not advisable to directly mix tourism news with a judicial occurrence.

<snipped>

http://arubaherald.com/aruba-411/798--minister-of-tourism-meets-with-local-press-in-relation-to-disappearance-of-american-woman.html


THEN

Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008


eTN caught up with Aruba’s minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen: Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case.  People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance.  This incident has kept us ‘hostage’ for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

<snipped>

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 158:
  Not long after the "criminals speech," some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee.  A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media.  We've worn out our welcom at the Holiday Inn.  And they let us know they've had it.  The Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media.  And to combat us.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2011, 01:34:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 12, 2011, 03:07:04 AM
Gardner's mom prays daughter will be found
Thursday - 8/11/2011, 8:09am  ET


WASHINGTON - Andrea Colson, Robyn Gardner's mom, released the following statement about her daughter through the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

Our daughter Robyn has been missing since August 2, 2011. We can only pray that she will soon be with us and bring back the joy into our lives. She means the world to us. We are hoping for the very best outcome with the help of the international community that we will reach a favorable outcome. We are confident and very grateful to the Aruba authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond all our expectations. I hope you understand that we are being quiet as to not jeopardize the investigation. Please continue to pray for Robyn. Thank you.

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center also established a tip line. Anyone with any tips about Gardner's disappearance can call 407-237-2295

http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2492207




There is a Fox video that says the search is officially ended since more allegations came up about the man she went with was detained.  This is so sad.  She met him on match.com along with his old girlfriend and ex wife, who have restraining orders against him.

This is so sad.  I wonder if the idea to go to Aruba and maybe hurt her came from thinking about our Nat.  Why pick on these women?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2011, 12:54:28 PM
Gardner's mom prays daughter will be found
Thursday - 8/11/2011, 8:09am  ET


WASHINGTON - Andrea Colson, Robyn Gardner's mom, released the following statement about her daughter through the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

Our daughter Robyn has been missing since August 2, 2011. We can only pray that she will soon be with us and bring back the joy into our lives. She means the world to us. We are hoping for the very best outcome with the help of the international community that we will reach a favorable outcome. We are confident and very grateful to the Aruba authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond all our expectations. I hope you understand that we are being quiet as to not jeopardize the investigation. Please continue to pray for Robyn. Thank you.

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center also established a tip line. Anyone with any tips about Gardner's disappearance can call 407-237-2295

http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2492207




There is a Fox video that says the search is officially ended since more allegations came up about the man she went with was detained.  This is so sad.  She met him on match.com along with his old girlfriend and ex wife, who have restraining orders against him.

This is so sad.  I wonder if the idea to go to Aruba and maybe hurt her came from thinking about our Nat.  Why pick on these women?


Somehow I do not believe that Robyn's demise was planned ... just as I do not think Natalee's demise was planned or ... Stephany Flores murder was planned.  I suspect that all three were victims of men who acted out in uncontrolled rage when perceived they had been wronged.

Bearlyhere ... how is your sister-in-law.  Please assure her that there is life following a brain tumor even if at times the journey is overwhelming.  In 1990 while experiencing the aftermath of brain tumor surgery I pleaded with God to afford me time on earth to be a mother to my then seven year old surprise package son.  When this kid graduated from high school ... that prayer changed drastically..  Dancing was never my thing but I now want to dance at each of my grandkids' weddings.

Have a good day.
 
Janet

+++++++++

Disappearance
Missing White Female
January 2, 2006


Page 9:  Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.. If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 12, 2011, 01:32:24 PM

Thanks for asking, Janet.  My SIL is doing well.  Her radiation starts soon.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 12, 2011, 02:52:56 PM

Robyn Gardner missing: Aruba authorities believe Gardner dead

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-missing-aruba-authorities-believe-gardner-dead-65060.html
 (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-missing-aruba-authorities-believe-gardner-dead-65060.html)

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - Authorities in Aruba believe a missing American tourist is no longer alive and are seeking to extend a detention order for her travel companion as they seek witnesses who will help them build a case against him, a prosecutor on the Dutch Caribbean island said Friday.

 ::snipping2::

Aruba's system became familiar to many Americans who followed the disappearance in 2005 of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. Authorities repeatedly detained individuals suspected of involvement but then later had to release them for lack of evidence. That case was never solved.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
Maria Tromp was responding to some posts on the Find Robyn Colson Gardner FB Page, I posted more of the conversation over in the Robyn Gardner thread. 

I think about Maria and her family often and pray that one day they will have the answers they need too.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11942.msg1460821#msg1460821

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08122011_FB01.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/tromp3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/07172011_VicenzoTromp_MariaTrompFBprofilePic.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2011, 11:15:53 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/12/robyn-gardner-american-woman-missing-in-aruba-parallel-s-natalee-holloway-case.html

Another Natalee Holloway?

Six years after Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, another blonde American woman has vanished from the same beach. Barbie Latza Nadeau on the cases’ chilling parallels.

Aug 12, 2011 12:00 AM EDT

 ::snipping2::


If the circumstances of Gardner’s disappearance sound eerily familiar, it’s because they are. In 2005, Natalee Holloway another pretty blonde American, disappeared from the very same Aruba beach under similar circumstances. Her body still hasn’t been found, and the only suspect in that case, Joran Van Der Sloot, is currently awaiting trial for an unrelated murder in Peru.

Not unlike Van Der Sloot, who once bragged on hidden camera about killing Holloway, Giordano had a formidable reputation—but Gardner likely never knew anything about it. In 2008, Giordano’s wife divorced him, citing allegations of domestic violence, according to court records reprinted in the Aruba Herald. He has been arrested for petty theft on several occasions, and since Gardner’s questionable disappearance, several women who say they dated Giordano have come forward to describe him as a frightening man with a violent temper—one woman felt compelled to get a restraining order against him to protect herself. Giordano denies wrongdoing in Gardner’s disappearance, and his attorney, Michael Lopez, told The Daily Beast that he expects his client to be released. “There is no proof and no motive,” he says.

That is exactly what happened in the Holloway case, says Natalee’s mother Beth, who has reached out to the Gardner family to show support. Unlike the Holloways, however, the Gardners have been able to get the FBI involved in the investigation at an early stage. The only forensic evidence—including Gardner’s computers and smart phone, which were found in her hotel room in Aruba—has already been sent to Holland, which has legal jurisdiction over Aruba. But the FBI is playing a crucial role in the case as well, and has been asked to comb Giordano’s background and search for any clues that would link him to Gardner’s disappearance—anything that might help them keep him detained, at least until Gardner is found dead or alive.

Because Holloway’s body was never found, Van Der Sloot was set free and allegedly killed again. Whether Gardner’s fate is eventually unearthed or not, authorities in Aruba have the added burden not to let that happen again.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2011, 01:42:03 AM
http://issuu.com/awemainta/docs/13aug2011?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true (http://issuu.com/awemainta/docs/13aug2011?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true)

How many bodies might they find down there?   ::MonkeyEek::
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6037069721_4689627b16_b.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6195/6037069769_cd64b5f976_b.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2011, 02:33:29 AM
http://www.themorningnewsaruba.com/

Investigation into the possible drowning of an American woman
Thursday, August 11, 2011
The Morning News Aruba
Page 3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 03:36:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 12:08:52 PM
TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

The Goal of Education

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

+++++

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2011, 12:56:48 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20110812/8174/Update_cu_tur_imagen_di_diabierna_atardi_ora_autoridad_a_organiza_un_buskeda_cu (http://www.awe24.com/20110812/8174/Update_cu_tur_imagen_di_diabierna_atardi_ora_autoridad_a_organiza_un_buskeda_cu)

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 02:34:42 PM
Considering there was only a three hour span of time between an email communication that Robyn had with Richard Forester and the time that Gary Giordano reported her missing ... it makes sense that the scene of a crime and the disposal of a body could have taken place in close proximity to Baby Beach.

While walking along the beach in a secluded area ... could Robyn Gardner had shared with Gary Giordano that she was getting back together with Richard Forester ... a revelation that caused this Giordano who posseses a history in regards to anger issues to react with uncontrolled rage.

Janet

++++

Robyn Gardner, Bethesda woman missing in Aruba
August 8, 2011 - 07:20 pm


<snipped>
 
Gardner, who lived and worked in Bethesda, left for Aruba on July 31st. Richard Forester says they had been dating for two and a half years, but quarreled before she left. He received his last e-mail from Gardner Tuesday, three hours before she was reported missing.

“The last message I got from her was ‘I love you,’” Forester said. “We will talk and sort things out when I get back,” Gardner wrote.

<snipped>

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-frederick-woman-missing-in-aruba-64854.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQHLS6mpHfQw0vEn8IweF5ZKEfSg?docId=ed38e7b5fda84c7d8be4e63aa3a084d6

Md. man held in Aruba had troubled past with women

By ERIC TUCKER, Associated Press Writers – 1 hour ago 

GAITHERSBURG, Md. (AP) — The man Aruban authorities suspect was involved in the death of his travel companion while visiting the Dutch island courted other women with his blue-green eyes, tall physique and offers of cruises and vacations, and his $1.3 million stone mansion in this upper-class Washington suburb.

But Gary Giordano's ex-romantic interests say the allure was only surface-deep.
Giordano, 50, a self-employed businessman and twice-divorced father of three sons, has denied any wrongdoing through his attorney since the disappearance of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner, who authorities now believe is dead. Her remains have not been found, despite four days of searching the area where Giordano told officials an ocean current pulled her away as they snorkeled Aug. 2. FBI agents combed through his Gaithersburg home Friday night, while Aruban police officers and firefighters searched an abandoned phosphate mine for clues. Nobody was seen being taken from the mine.

 ::snipping2::

His family has stayed mum during the investigation, though a close friend said he can't imagine Giordano being involved in someone's death. Court records and former romantic interests reveal a man who could by turns be charming and threatening and who's had several volatile relationships.

"He can't control his anger," his first wife, Sharon Cohen, wrote in court papers in 2001.

 ::snipping2::

He also continued to live just blocks away from his ex-wife and children, in a contemporary home set apart from the neighborhood by a long, ascending driveway. A sign on the front door advises visitors they're under surveillance. A security camera is mounted atop a gable. Although his house suggests a man who values his privacy, Giordano is also gregarious and fun, said Eric Curtis, a friend who said he regularly hangs out with him in restaurants and bars. He said he's never even seen Giordano raise his voice.

 ::snipping2::

Jeanette Farago, a former neighbor, started dating Giordano around the time of his second divorce. She said Giordano was charismatic but could become angry and possessive, though she said she never felt physically threatened. Once, he wanted to take her on a cruise but became irate when she didn't want to go, she said, a situation Gardner also found herself in, according to a friend.

Farago said Giordano insisted on having her email password so he could ensure she was not seeing anyone else. If she said she was going to the grocery store, he would want photographic proof. Sometimes, she said, he would spy on her and text her details of her outfit so she knew he was watching. He even hid in the woods behind her home to watch her, dressing in a deer costume, she said.

"He's Mr. Perfect," she said, and then he's "totally different."



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 02:46:06 PM
"He's Mr. Perfect," she said, and then he's "totally different."
The Associated Press Aug 13, 2011 12:50:00


GAITHERSBURG, Md. - The man Aruban authorities suspect was involved in the death of his travel companion while visiting the Dutch island courted other women with his blue-green eyes, tall physique and offers of cruises and vacations, and his $1.3 million stone mansion in this upper-class Washington suburb.

But Gary Giordano's ex-romantic interests say the allure was only surface-deep.

<snipped>

"He can't control his anger," his first wife, Sharon Cohen, wrote in court papers in 2001.

Giordano married Cohen in 1987, several years after earning a degree in computer science from the University of Maryland. The couple had three sons, but the relationship deteriorated until they finalized their divorce in 2003. At one point, each accused the other of abuse, with Giordano alleging that his wife struck him in the back with a steel cooking spoon during a heated argument.

She countered that he had a nasty temper, throwing phones, cursing and becoming violent with one of their sons.

<snipped>

http://www.570news.com/news/world/article/263887--md-businessman-held-in-woman-s-death-in-aruba-had-history-of-troubled-relationships



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Md. businessman held in woman's death in Aruba had history of troubled relationships
The Associated Press Aug 13, 2011 12:50:00


GAITHERSBURG, Md. - The man Aruban authorities suspect was involved in the death of his travel companion while visiting the Dutch island courted other women with his blue-green eyes, tall physique and offers of cruises and vacations, and his $1.3 million stone mansion in this upper-class Washington suburb.

But Gary Giordano's ex-romantic interests say the allure was only surface-deep.

<snipped>

"He can't control his anger," his first wife, Sharon Cohen, wrote in court papers in 2001.

<snipped>

http://www.570news.com/news/world/article/263887--md-businessman-held-in-woman-s-death-in-aruba-had-history-of-troubled-relationships


Could it be that three hours prior to reporting her missing ... Gary read Robyn's email to Richard ... an email that implied she wanted a reconciliation with her former boyfriend?  Could it be an uncontrollable rage ... the same uncontrollable rage that Joran van der Sloot admittedly possesses ... resulted in the demise of Robyn.

Considering Robyn did travel to Aruba with Gary ... it can be assumed that something akin to Jeanette Farago she did not feel physically threatened until Robyn's perceived betrayal which was revealed in the email to her former boyfriend.

Janet

++++++


12:50 on August 13, 2011, EDT.
Md. businessman held in woman's death in Aruba had history of troubled relationships


<snipped>

Jeanette Farago, a former neighbour, started dating Giordano around the time of his second divorce. She said Giordano was charismatic but could become angry and possessive, though she said she never felt physically threatened. Once, he wanted to take her on a cruise but became irate when she didn't want to go, she said, a situation Gardner also found herself in, according to a friend.

Farago said Giordano insisted on having her email password so he could ensure she was not seeing anyone else. If she said she was going to the grocery store, he would want photographic proof. Sometimes, she said, he would spy on her and text her details of her outfit so she knew he was watching. He even hid in the woods behind her home to watch her, dressing in a deer costume, she said
 
<snipped>

http://www.qr77.com/News/World/Article.aspx?id=298535


Van der Sloot Confesses
DUTCHMAN SAYS HE KILLED PERUVIAN WOMAN IN FIT OF RAGE
updated Jun 8, 2010 7:38 AM CDT


Peruvian police have obtained what Aruba couldn't: a murder confession from Joran Van der Sloot in the killing of a young woman. The Dutchman has admitted killing Stephany Flores, 21, in his Lima hotel room, a Peruvian government official tells MSNBC. Van der Sloot says he broke her neck in a fit of rage when she used his laptop computer without permission  and discovered he was involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to reports in the Peruvian media.

"I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," Van der Sloot is quoted as saying.

http://www.newser.com/story/91709/van-der-sloot-confesses.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 04:46:09 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/13/shirt-in-aruba-mine-not-linked-to-us-woman/

Shirt in Aruba mine not linked to US woman

Published August 13, 2011

| Associated Press
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba –  An Aruban official says a shirt and sandals found during a search of the island did not belong to a missing Maryland woman.

Solicitor General Taco Stein tells The Associated Press that police conducted a careful analysis of the pink shirt and black sandals after the items were found during a search of an abandoned phosphate mine.

He said Saturday that authorities believe there is no reason to send the items to the Netherlands for further testing. The clothing was found during a search for the remains of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner in the southern Dutch Caribbean island.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/13/shirt-in-aruba-mine-not-linked-to-us-woman/#ixzz1UwYm7vB3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 05:33:44 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

When did Dilma Arends Geerman become an editor for the Associated Press?

Anyways ... if no body and no evidence is located but Mark Gio Giordano is charged under Dutch law with the the murder of Robyn Gardner ... inquiring minds are going to demand an explanation as to why Joran van der Sloot was given a pass.

1. Think about all Joran's lies encompassing the his contact with Natalee Holloway just prior to her disappearance.

2. Think about Joran's history in regards to sexual assault against women.

3. Think about the immediate discovery of Natalee's cell phone and passport.

4. Think about the precidence in Dutch law regarding charges without the location of a body.


Janet

+++++

The Robyn Gardner Case

Aruba officials search mine for missing American
DILMA ARENDS GEERMAN, Associated Press
Updated 01:08 a.m., Saturday, August 13, 2011


<snipped>

After so many days, authorities no longer believe the Maryland woman could be alive, so they are holding Giordano on suspicion of involvement in her death. Her remains have not been recovered despite a search of more than four days in the sea and on the coastline in the area where she was reported missing.

"As long as we don't have a body, you can question whether or not she is dead," Stein told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "On the other hand, with all the publicity on the case, if she were still alive she would have made herself known."

Other factors also lead to the conclusion she is dead, Stein told reporters. Police have recovered her passport from her belongings and don't believe she could have left the island by air with a false identity. They have also found no evidence that she left Aruba by boat.

<snipped>

http://www.westport-news.com/news/article/Aruba-officials-search-mine-for-missing-American-1912991.php


The Natalee Holloway Case

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 27th
updated 10/28/2005 11:19:24 AM ET


<snipped>

COSBY:  Is there a possibility she may have run away?  Can you exclude that? 

GEROLD DOMPIG, DEPUTY POLICY CHIEF OF ARUBA:  No, not at all, because you have to keep an open mind, of course.  But don‘t forget that, if we look at the statements from especially Joran, I have received today an overview of all the several moments where he has basically lied.  And that‘s a lot.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9849849/ns/msnbc_tv-rita_cosby_specials/t/rita-cosby-live-direct-oct-th/


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 41:   The DEA agent asks for Natalee's cell phone and passport. I don't want to reach into her bag, but I don't want anyone else to touch it either. A little carry-on purse is attached to the side of it. Inside are her passport, cell phone, and some cash right on the top. I remove them and zip the purse back. The agent looks at Natalee's things a few moments, then gives them back to me. I return Natalee's things to her little purse as I walk back to the hotel room to leave her bag there.


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


<snippe>

 12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices

<snipped>.
 
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


Posted 7/1/2005 2:25 PM     Updated 7/1/2005 8:28 PM
Aruba prosecutor: Charges likely in Ala. teen's disappearance


<snipped>
 
Janssen said the prosecution was centering its case around e-mail and cell phone text messages written between the suspects the night Holloway disappeared. Janssen declined to offer further details about the messages, but said not having a body would make getting a murder conviction "more difficult but not impossible."

<snipped>

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-01-aruba_x.htm
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 06:35:54 PM
An Aruban double standard?  You bet!  Aruban investigators do not have a cover up agenda to protect the main suspect in the Robyn Gardner case ... a cover up agenda to prevent justice from prevailing.

Janet

++++

FBI aids Aruba investigation into missing Frederick woman
By The Associated Press
8:45 p.m. EDT, August 11, 2011


ORANJESTAD, Aruba— Aruba has turned to the FBI for help investigating the disappearance of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner of Frederick, Md., an agency spokesman said Thursday.

FBI Special Agent Richard Wolf told The Associated Press that the U.S. agency is conducting interviews and giving other assistance to Aruba, which is taking the lead in the investigation.

<snipped>

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-fbi-aids-aruba-investigation-into-missing-frederick-woman-20110811,0,1412190.story


Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute


No Invitation Extended

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kermit/jen3560 - Scared Monkeys

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
Sorry for the O/T

Klaas, please check your email.  RE front page post...thanks!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
An Aruban double standard?  You bet!  Aruban investigators do not have a cover up agenda to protect the main suspect in the Robyn Gardner case ... a cover up agenda to prevent justice from prevailing.

Janet

++++

FBI aids Aruba investigation into missing Frederick woman
By The Associated Press
8:45 p.m. EDT, August 11, 2011


ORANJESTAD, Aruba— Aruba has turned to the FBI for help investigating the disappearance of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner of Frederick, Md., an agency spokesman said Thursday.

FBI Special Agent Richard Wolf told The Associated Press that the U.S. agency is conducting interviews and giving other assistance to Aruba, which is taking the lead in the investigation.

<snipped>

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/local/hm-fbi-aids-aruba-investigation-into-missing-frederick-woman-20110811,0,1412190.story


Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute


No Invitation Extended

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kermit/jen3560 - Scared Monkeys

s.t.


THEY DID NOT WANT TO FIND THE TRUTH

'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 8/12/2005 9:33:28 AM ET


GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  ....  Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


NO ASSISTANCE REQUIRED

Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005

 
 believe that the people there the first night, like myself, could give you answers as to what Joran said, what his dad said, what happened, all this kind of stuff.

So my attorney asked that we come back to the United States, take these three people, go to a federal judge, have them sworn in, and we have a federal judge here that was kind enough to help us bring these three friends in that were there that night and take their sworn statements. And of course, my attorney in Birmingham is calling down there, asking Karin Janssen, What exactly do you want? She won’t even return his phone calls. I mean, it’s pitiful. It’s horrible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 08:18:57 PM
Family still looking for CEO missing in Fiji since July 15


Posted: Saturday, Aug. 13, 2011
Family still looking for CEO missing since July 15

It's been nearly a month since Don Nicholas disappeared in Fiji, but his friends and family are still pushing to find him.

They've recently joined forces with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which assists families of missing persons.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/08/13/2524512/police-digest.html#ixzz1UxRRi1Gh


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2011, 08:24:24 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 09:15:37 PM
Thought I'd better not post this one.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://twitter.com/#!/aarondillio/statuses/102535897312018432 (http://twitter.com/#!/aarondillio/statuses/102535897312018432)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2011, 10:19:27 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/2848246/2011/08/13/Jorans-dominee-Zelfs-grootste-crimineel-is-een-mens.dhtml

Joran minister: Even a man's greatest criminal
Saturday, August 13, 2011

Pastor is director of Epaphras Middelkoop, a Dutch foundation that prisoners abroad visit. Van der Sloot is a suspect in the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores. Joran was the minister in a stable impression. Middelkoop points out emphatically that his institution does not win souls. "Even in the biggest criminal this man is hidden. I'll be there looking at this conversation, "said the minister in the Gelderlander newspaper.

Meeting canceled
At the last visit of the spiritual to the Miguel Castro Castro prison Joran had no need for a conversation. He canceled the appointment. "Why I do not know," says Middelkoop. "But that's the right of every prisoner".

Joran van der Sloot said last month that it plans to admit he has slain Stephany Flores. A confession would speed up the process, said the attorney of Joran.

Overwhelmed by emotions
Joran Flores says he has slain because he was overcome by a violent emotion. But the family at the age of 21 killed woman wants Van der Sloot tried for premeditated murder. He would have killed her to make her money and car to go away.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 11:18:56 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20110813/8183/Muher_dominicana_di_25_a%C3%B1a_a_bay_purba_biaha_cu_bolita_pero_a_bira_malo_y_a

Papiamentu translation:

25 year old woman died, believed to be from a bolita of drugs she swallowed (either before traveling to or before returning from Holland).

http://www.awe24.com/20110813/8183/Muher_dominicana_di_25_a%C3%B1a_a_bay_purba_biaha_cu_bolita_pero_a_bira_malo_y_a

Papiamentu translation:

muher dominicana of 25 year owing to bay try trip cu bolita but owing to become bad y owing to fayece at home

9 hora happen come across, 13 of august 2011 13:20

saturday nightfall owing to enter informe of cu one muher of 25 year owing to fayece misteriosamente at one cas at helfrichstraat, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu here is deal of the muher latin of surname p. cu have to owing to viaha for the netherlands together cu his brother muher y some child cu is his yuinan. problablemente bolita owing to rebenta in his stomach. the la achieve much dolor of stomach y fayece. the curpa owing to wordu take in beslag for investigacion while the brother muher owing to wordu deteni for interogacion. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 11:19:35 PM
Well, I goofed that one up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80689-nieuwe-zoekactie-amerikaanse-toerist

Google translation:

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/13-08-2011/762269.jpg)

New Search American tourist

SATURDAY, 13 AUGUST 2011 2:14 p.m.

SAN NICOLAS - Police and fire yesterday abandoned mine holes Colony searched to find the body of Robyn Gardner (35) or clues surrounding her disappearance. According to the Public Prosecutor (OM) was found nothing of interest. The search is expected today and possibly tomorrow through.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Journalists on the spot yesterday afternoon saw the fire in the mine with a pink shirt and slippers. It is unclear whether this clothing has anything to do with research. Attorney General Taco Stein says that he has heard nothing about these clothes. "If it's important, then I have been told, I think." The mines are located on the north, less than one kilometer away from Baby Beach. Behind the nearby former Nanki Country Club, Gardner, at least according to her traveling partner, Gary Giordano, on August 2 disappeared while snorkeling.
 ::snipping2::

The search in the mine shafts is a logical continuation of the futile quest for sea and land in the first days after the disappearance. Stein hints that these days in several places here will be searched.

Meanwhile, the U.S. media that published the home of Gary Giordano (50) in Gaithersburg, Maryland was searched by the FBI. According to Advocate General Stein this story is not true. He has learned that the house of the accused "did the black press cars, but there was no police. Incidentally, he does not rule out that this search will take place in the future. But the legal request of the Aruban justice for search has not been sent, says Stein. "We did have some requests done, but I'm working this weekend to further requests."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 14, 2011, 12:20:25 AM
Well, I goofed that one up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Join me.  ::monkeywine2::  ::monkeywine2::  Stein better start reading the American papers and keep up with what the FBI is doing--working.  I guess looking down holes on rock island and staying out in the sun is getting to him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 12:39:16 AM
From the Opinion section of Amigoe by Hans Vaders

http://www.amigoe.com/opinie/column-vaders/80657-vermist

Google translation:

'Missing'         

SATURDAY, AUGUST 13, 2011 12:48

Because the United States, under whose direct control we are in a country where some people in our community also rather intimidated, no one is missing, well, sometimes remains a person to force reasons a longer path, it is more than commendable that our perfidious sister island again substantially addressed by the American media, which is already 24 hours a day from one "breaking news" to another whole or half false tripping. Aruba, we insiders knew this of course always, is the the perverted paradise of our ABC tje, a parody of the American Santa Claus and Coca-Cola. So why would you really like decent American with only a few week vacation to the effort to travel to this island? In Florida, you do everything the same: palm trees, white beaches, burger chains and Heineken beer. However, Miami Vice is always ready and always patrolling ad nauseam young love your happiness on the beaches to shreds. So there anyway to Aruba, where you can until dawn flirting, dating, drinking and snorkeling. On the one hand, so familiar, so Island on the other side also so full of adventure, many trainees will of good decent house with me agree. "Yes, I know it JvdS. I'm not sure what those are now on the island to find him. Certainly a rich family. Was always drinking and playing poker, I heard, "coos a beautiful lady of pleasure in a night spot in downtown Oranjestad. "A bit of a Marine, with his bald head. What's he doing now? Oh, in a prison in Peru. I can hardly believe it. Was always so polite and considerate. " Well, even psychopaths have their worries, especially when they hold a sentence of thirty years' working on the chain. Hardwood logging in the Peruvian jungle, a living hell that you never in your life more convenient. It is, however, that his affair, I am referring to the Natalee Holloway case, Aruba has put a negative on the map. JvdS only knows the facts and blackmails thus: justice, family, others directly involved. The truth remains shrouded in fog. Arm Aruba now processes following a setback. This week a young American woman who disappeared under suspicious circumstances. The American press jumps on the known scavenger release combines both cases. They are, after both blond, handsome, American, young and dissolute. The connection is quickly made. U.S. media because there are extremely good at. And news, preferably breaking news, and what is not there can always be made, as will the crew, after all paid for. But why this annoying behavior of citizens of a country that for ages deeply enmeshed in their own care? If it is not about the dirty laundry that they would rather want to say to others? The dirty laundry lies in the fact that the U.S. Justice and investigators themselves a massive task has its own file of 'missing persons' of all ages to clean. The number of missing persons - children, women and men - is, according to the National Crime Information Center and the FBI for years every year between 800,000 and 900,000. Is it a shock to me. Yes, those figures in mind, you're in a sublime distraction rather focus on an innocent little island in the Caribbean Sea. CNN, do not blame Aruba for the missing, it's just a beautiful island in the sun. Do not kill her with charm Those ridiculous "news facts" you are always so proud of. Take a look at your first missing before going offshore.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Just my opinion...

None of those islands are just "innocent little islands"...in the words of Hero Brinkman, they are "corrupt as hell". 

I for one would like nothing more than for Natalee Holloway's family to receive the answers they deserve in her disappearance...and her remains for a proper burial.  And then I would gladly never read another thing about Aruba, or her "sister" islands.  I know enough to know that I will never travel to any of them, so I would really care less what happens there after those answers come.  Until then, I'm watching everything I can and will report things here that I find interesting or think others here might find interesting.  And I will share my negative opinion of all of the ABC islands with anyone who will listen.  And I can assure Mr. Hans Vaders that every time an American goes missing in the ABC islands, the US media will remind everyone of Natalee Holloway, the coverup in Aruba; and the failure to prosecute her attackers.  They will remind everyone that Joran van der Sloot murdered again five years later, and that Aruba has the blood of Stephany Flores, along with that of Natalee Holloway on it's hands.

They made their bed, now they must lay in it. 

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 12:45:50 AM
Well, I goofed that one up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Join me.  ::monkeywine2::  ::monkeywine2::  Stein better start reading the American papers and keep up with what the FBI is doing--working.  I guess looking down holes on rock island and staying out in the sun is getting to him.


Yep, Taco Stein better think again if he thinks the FBI needs a request from him to do anything in America!  They just don't understand our system, do they?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::monkeywine2::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 05:34:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 14, 2011, 07:58:25 AM
Former FBI special agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant, told "Good Morning America" that Giordano fits the profile of an "obsessional stalker."

 "Their self-esteem is really tied up in controlling whoever is in their lives," Garrett said. "What happens is they push people so far [that] they pull back. When they pull back, he becomes more obsessive. He becomes more violent."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-aruba-agents-investigate-alleged-violent-past-missing/story?id=14297770

----

One of his ex-girlfriends said he staked out the woods behind her house... and dressed up as a deer... said he would frequently spy on her.

Thoughts of Carl Spackler (Bill Murray) stalking the gopher from the movie Caddyshack comes to my mind. LOL

Giordano is a real live wire!

I keep praying they find her body... and it is most likely just her body at this point. (yet, I always hope for a miracle) ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 14, 2011, 08:09:03 AM
...and I believe Gary took Robyn snorkeling about as much as I believe Natalee asked Joran to take her to go see the sharks.

The guy is full of poo-tinky! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 14, 2011, 12:01:08 PM
 
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20110812man_held_in_aruba_was_tied_to_stalking_case/srvc=home&position=recent


::MonkeyConfused::

Here's the video with a pic of Giordano dressed up in his deer outfit. Charming.

He hit up another woman to go to Aruba... he wanted to do a photo shoot with her daughter there.

Offered the mom & daughter money for life to have sex with him.

Said to the mother... don't worry about going to Aruba... it's not going to be another Natalee Holloway or anything.

>Psycho



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 14, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/giordano.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 12:12:46 PM
...and I believe Gary took Robyn snorkeling about as much as I believe Natalee asked Joran to take her to go see the sharks.

The guy is full of poo-tinky! ::HelloKitty::

Yes sir, you've got that right!   ::HelloKitty:: ::CowboySmiley::

This one's a good read if you haven't read it.  The case file on this one is even better.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/162525/158/Gary-Giordanos-Former-Lawyer-Speaks

 ::snipping2::

Bob Flynn represented Gary Giordano in his first divorce case, a volatile, highly contentious matter involving his and hers protection orders.

"There were allegations going back and forth between the two of them of abuse and violence," said Flynn. "These two people really, really had it in for each other. And really fought it out."
 
::snipping2::

"He plans out his moves and plans out what he's going to do pretty carefully and thoughtfully. I never got the feeling that he did anything as a spur of the moment kind of thing. Calculating would be a good way of describing him," said Flynn.

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 12:22:26 PM
The divorce case file...obsessive puts it mildly imo.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=21565FL&loc=68&detailLoc=MCCI

There's a lot more here Carpe if you haven't been to Robyn's thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11942.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 12:39:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/80635-business-as-usual

Google translation:

'Business as usual         

FRIDAY, AUGUST 12, 2011 1:26 P.M.

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/12-08-2011/761316.jpg)

ORANGE CITY his companion Robyn Gardner (35) last week when snorkeling disappeared. Yet the tourists do not seem to be deterred by the loss. Among the many parked cars are V-cars to see and on the beach include the hotel towels on . Also Jonathan, son of the owner of Big Mamma Grill on the beach, confirms that it is business as usual.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

a single tourist asks what happened, says Jonathan. Many , however, he can not say. "I did not even notice," he told this newspaper. "Only when I began the evening with my mom went home, and I saw all the police cars." The search for Gardner was in full swing. "I heard the next day that a tourist had drowned, at least that was said." An intense search by coastguards, Warda Nos Costa, police helicopter, fire department and volunteers provided no body on . The active search was called off Saturday, Aug. 6, after her disappearance four days. Meanwhile, her companion tried Giordano on Friday before all of the island to leave. at Reina Beatrix airport, however, he was arrested by Aruban authorities. Jonathan finds it very strange that the body was not found. As prosecutor he also strongly doubt the story of the accused . He says he already has experienced a tourist in the sea at Baby Beach into difficulty or even drowned. The sea may be outside the sheltered lagoon which is very rough and there is often a strong current. "But the body always comes up again and rinse it." A few days after the disappearance, the police came along to Big Mama Grill. Visitors to this fact, besides eating and drinking, including beach chairs and snorkel gear will. Jonathan says that the police asked Giordano and Gardner had rented snorkel gear. "We ask everyone who comes to hiring identification," he says. "They have not hired us. To be sure, we counted all snorkels if we had. "That was the case. No comment on the coast for the past Nanki Country Club, the place where the victim in the story of Giordano disappeared, a tourist couple and their teenage son to see. Equipped with camera, they take a look. In questions of this reporter they want to not comment. "I'd rather not comment", the answer of the father. Also in JADS dive in the former building of Nanki, is owner Jean-Pierre "JP" Fang no answer to questions related to the disappearance of Gardner. "It's an ongoing investigation. I can not give information, "says Fang. He referred to the Public Prosecutor (OM) for questions. However he confirms that not only his dive shop scuba gear, but also rented snorkels. Or Giordano and Gardner on Tuesday, August 2 at their stuff have hired, he will not lose. "I can tell you everything about diving, but information you will not." He says that there are already many people with him on the floor was, but everybody gets the same answer. Inquiries to the OM shows that this body has made ​​no request or agreement made ​​with the dive center to the press not to talk. "Probably find they are easy to get to the Prosecution to refer, "said Advocate General Taco Stein. "They may have had enough of all questions." JADS was on the day of the disappearance involved in the search for Gardner. Reportedly, divers from the school the day after the disappearance went to the body of the victim wanted.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 14, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Hey texasmom,

I hope they extend his stay in Aruban jail. Joran thought it was a real tish hole.

It leaked when it rained... and a dude try to put a "lick" on him. (stab him)

...and Gary doesn't look like he would do too well, if they let him out to play soccer.

KEEP GARY IN ARUBA, TACO STEIN. HE LOVES ARUBA! EXTEND HIS STAY. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2011, 01:29:15 PM
I see they are training a new litter  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35394-inicio-di-siman-di-polis-na-aruba-juniors.html (http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35394-inicio-di-siman-di-polis-na-aruba-juniors.html)

Inicio di siman di Polis na Aruba Juniors
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6129/6041945553_f7a52d4449_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 01:37:24 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Hey texasmom,

I hope they extend his stay in Aruban jail. Joran thought it was a real tish hole.

It leaked when it rained... and a dude try to put a "lick" on him. (stab him)

...and Gary doesn't look like he would do too well, if they let him out to play soccer.

KEEP GARY IN ARUBA, TACO STEIN. HE LOVES ARUBA! EXTEND HIS STAY. ::MonkeyDance::

I hope they extend his stay too, he thought he'd already be home dropping hints to his ex-wives or whoever the next object of his affections might be...I can make you disappear...don't believe me...just ask Robyn!   ::MonkeyEek::

Don't you know he's gonna be pissed when they tell him the FBI was in his house and going through his things (after they dismantled his "surveillance")  He'll blow a gasket, and probably threaten to sue the FBI.  He's already threatened through his lawyer to sue Aruba for millions for "defamation".



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 14, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7315/eccoclub.jpg
The photo is labeled ecco club.

Isn't that Dennis Schonfeld?




(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6598/dennisschoenveldandpaul.jpg)

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1741/dennisschonveldandpaulu.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 14, 2011, 03:16:26 PM

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7315/eccoclub.jpg)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7315/eccoclub.jpg
The photo is labeled ecco club.


Isn't that Dennis Schonfeld?




(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6598/dennisschoenveldandpaul.jpg)

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1741/dennisschonveldandpaulu.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 14, 2011, 03:17:02 PM
(http://ufdcimages.uflib.ufl.edu/CA/03/40/00/01/00205/00331.jpg)
Dennis Jacobs
back row standing 2nd man to the left.
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/CA03400001/00205/10j


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 14, 2011, 03:17:41 PM
this might be a useful link.
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/CA03400001/00387/allvolumes


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: carpe noctem on August 14, 2011, 07:51:59 PM
(http://ufdcimages.uflib.ufl.edu/CA/03/40/00/01/00205/00331.jpg)
Dennis Jacobs
back row standing 2nd man to the left.
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/CA03400001/00205/10j

Wow! He's rockin' the Belushi Jake Blues look. Well slap me nekkid.... that had to be at least 25,000 jelly donuts ago.

He could see his shoes... tie 'em up and everything! Life was grand - it was a different time.

Thanks Kermit. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 08:16:43 PM
http://www.facebook.com/foxyladyaruba?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08142011_AlexMathew.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 09:35:42 PM

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7315/eccoclub.jpg)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7315/eccoclub.jpg
The photo is labeled ecco club.

Isn't that Dennis Schonfeld?

(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6598/dennisschoenveldandpaul.jpg)

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1741/dennisschonveldandpaulu.jpg)

I don't think it's him in the older picture (ecco).  jmo

Dennis Schoneveld

http://www.facebook.com/denden16

http://www.myspace.com/denden16


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2011, 09:55:03 PM
From "I Keep Diary" - Brian Battjer, jr.  (scroll thru the photos - remember Ramses  ::MonkeyWink:: )

http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01/aruba-vacation-part-1-leaving-nyc-and-first-night-in-aruba/

Scott, Alexandra and I piled into Ramses car and headed for club ECHO (you have to whisper it: ECHO!). When we got there, the place was closed. Ramses explained that afterhours clubs in Aruba only open if they feel like there will be enough people for them to have a good night. So what you do is, hang out outside the place and wait for more people to show up. When a large enough group has congregated, they open the joint up. We were only outside for 10 minutes or so and VOILA, they opened the place up.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/2004_01_22.Aruba_Vacation_Part_1_Leaving_NYC_and_First_Night_In_Aruba/images/DSC05553.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 14, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
Klassend!!!!
Yes I do recall that now. You have a good memory.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2011, 11:15:46 PM
From "I Keep Diary" - Brian Battjer, jr.  (scroll thru the photos - remember Ramses  ::MonkeyWink:: )

http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01/aruba-vacation-part-1-leaving-nyc-and-first-night-in-aruba/

Scott, Alexandra and I piled into Ramses car and headed for club ECHO (you have to whisper it: ECHO!). When we got there, the place was closed. Ramses explained that afterhours clubs in Aruba only open if they feel like there will be enough people for them to have a good night. So what you do is, hang out outside the place and wait for more people to show up. When a large enough group has congregated, they open the joint up. We were only outside for 10 minutes or so and VOILA, they opened the place up.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/2004_01_22.Aruba_Vacation_Part_1_Leaving_NYC_and_First_Night_In_Aruba/images/DSC05553.jpg)




Wow, it had been a long time since I'd seen that.

I sure didn't remember it from that picture.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are so good Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2011, 11:33:08 PM
LOL, I knew it was Brian but it did take me a while to re-find his diary link.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Red on August 15, 2011, 12:36:22 AM
Aruba Authorities Intend to Pursue Criminal Charges Against Gary Giordano in Suspicious Death of Robyn Gardner … What Happened to “No Body, No Crime” With Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/14/aruba-authorities-intend-to-pursue-criminal-charges-against-gary-giordano-in-suspicious-death-of-robyn-gardner-what-happened-to-no-body-no-crime-with-joran-van-der-sloot-and-natalee-holloway/

According to Aruba authorities, they intend to pursue criminal charges against Gary Giordano, the 50 year old Gaithersburg man whose female companion, Robyn Gardiner, disappeared on “One Happy Another Murder Island” earlier this month. Really, suspicious death? What crime? Isn’t it interesting that when Natalee Holloway went missing and was presumed murdered by Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe, the three people last seen with Natalee leaving Carlos N’ Charlies … they were never charged with a crime or ever prosecuted because Aruba claimed … “NO BODY, NO CRIME”.

 ::snipping2::

So what is different in Aruba this time when they are faced with a murder of an American tourist? We all remember the run around that the Aruba authorities gave Beth and Dave Holloway when Natalee was reported missing. When Natalee was reported missing, the powers that be told Natalee’s family that she probably ran off with some one and that she would return. Then two black security guards were arrested and falsely accused by the very people who were last seen with Natalee of involvement in her disappearance. Isn’t it interesting that Aruba authorities and Taco Stein were quick to accuse American Gary Giordano of inconsistencies and automatically presumed that Robyn Gardiner was no longer alive. Inconsistencies? Who told more lies to police than Joran Vander Sloot?

 ::snipping2::

We in America remain curious. How does Aruba have two sets of rules when it comes to a murder on Aruba? BTW, I thought there were no murders there? It would appear then when there is a rich, Dutch suspects who comes from privilege and has connections … corruption and cronyism takes place to ensure a “little Dutch boy” never goes to jail.  Aruba, how did that work out for you as you allowed a psycho to remain free and Joran would later kill another girl, this time Stephany Flores in Peru. However, it would appear that Aruba has quite a different set of rules when it comes to an America charged with the same crime.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 12:38:33 AM
Another murder in Aruba...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/35418-homber-staca-den-pecho.html

Papiamentu translation:

asesinato at tarabana: man surname camara of 33 year hinca y beat owing to die at hospital

sunday, 14 august 2011 19:03

diadomingo nightfall first cu bahada of sun bisiñanan of pindastraat cu fiyostraat owing to hear gritonan of two man is fight abroad of they cura of cas. according one witness hour the la leave abroad for see kico is pasando owing to come encontra one cabayero throw near of the passenger of one car y one another is huy in forest. the bisiñanan is sospecha of one action for asunto of throw of drugs cual is some comun in the area. police owing to confisca one nisan ex saloon color cora burn. recherche owing to present at the sitio for inicia the investigacion. ambulance owing to transporta the victima cu maximo urgencia for dr horacio oduber hospital. at hospital dokternna owing to work cune but owing to golpinan y hinca at his curpa was demasiado for her can owing to sobrevivi. informacion cu have is tell cu he calling marco camara of 33 year owing to fayece at dr horacio oduber hospital. cuerpo tecnico y recherché is investigando the caso. is buscando testigonan in the caso here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 15, 2011, 12:41:36 AM
Thanks Red! 

TM - was he shot? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 12:50:47 AM
Aruba Authorities Intend to Pursue Criminal Charges Against Gary Giordano in Suspicious Death of Robyn Gardner … What Happened to “No Body, No Crime” With Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/14/aruba-authorities-intend-to-pursue-criminal-charges-against-gary-giordano-in-suspicious-death-of-robyn-gardner-what-happened-to-no-body-no-crime-with-joran-van-der-sloot-and-natalee-holloway/

According to Aruba authorities, they intend to pursue criminal charges against Gary Giordano, the 50 year old Gaithersburg man whose female companion, Robyn Gardiner, disappeared on “One Happy Another Murder Island” earlier this month. Really, suspicious death? What crime? Isn’t it interesting that when Natalee Holloway went missing and was presumed murdered by Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe, the three people last seen with Natalee leaving Carlos N’ Charlies … they were never charged with a crime or ever prosecuted because Aruba claimed … “NO BODY, NO CRIME”.

 ::snipping2::

So what is different in Aruba this time when they are faced with a murder of an American tourist? We all remember the run around that the Aruba authorities gave Beth and Dave Holloway when Natalee was reported missing. When Natalee was reported missing, the powers that be told Natalee’s family that she probably ran off with some one and that she would return. Then two black security guards were arrested and falsely accused by the very people who were last seen with Natalee of involvement in her disappearance. Isn’t it interesting that Aruba authorities and Taco Stein were quick to accuse American Gary Giordano of inconsistencies and automatically presumed that Robyn Gardiner was no longer alive. Inconsistencies? Who told more lies to police than Joran Vander Sloot?

 ::snipping2::

We in America remain curious. How does Aruba have two sets of rules when it comes to a murder on Aruba? BTW, I thought there were no murders there? It would appear then when there is a rich, Dutch suspects who comes from privilege and has connections … corruption and cronyism takes place to ensure a “little Dutch boy” never goes to jail.  Aruba, how did that work out for you as you allowed a psycho to remain free and Joran would later kill another girl, this time Stephany Flores in Peru. However, it would appear that Aruba has quite a different set of rules when it comes to an America charged with the same crime.

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Red!  Great post!   ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 12:51:50 AM
Thanks Red! 

TM - was he shot? 

I think he was stabbed and beaten, but I didn't see any blood. 

I thought hinca meant stabbed, but I'll keep looking...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 12:58:07 AM
Thanks Red! 

TM - was he shot? 

I think he was stabbed and beaten, but I didn't see any blood. 

I thought hinca meant stabbed, but I'll keep looking...

Yes, it looks like he was stabbed, close to his heart; and the description makes me believe there were other stab wounds.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20110814/8189/Na_Tarabana_homber_di_33_a%C3%B1a_a_fayece_despues_dia_ricibi_varios_hinka


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 15, 2011, 01:09:57 AM
Thanks Red! 

TM - was he shot? 

I think he was stabbed and beaten, but I didn't see any blood. 

I thought hinca meant stabbed, but I'll keep looking...

Yes, it looks like he was stabbed, close to his heart; and the description makes me believe there were other stab wounds.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20110814/8189/Na_Tarabana_homber_di_33_a%C3%B1a_a_fayece_despues_dia_ricibi_varios_hinka

It was those photos that had me wondering if he was shot.  Either way very sad.  Seems like they are having more and more gang problems in Aruba. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 01:37:27 AM
Thanks Red! 

TM - was he shot? 

I think he was stabbed and beaten, but I didn't see any blood. 

I thought hinca meant stabbed, but I'll keep looking...

Yes, it looks like he was stabbed, close to his heart; and the description makes me believe there were other stab wounds.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/20110814/8189/Na_Tarabana_homber_di_33_a%C3%B1a_a_fayece_despues_dia_ricibi_varios_hinka

It was those photos that had me wondering if he was shot.  Either way very sad.  Seems like they are having more and more gang problems in Aruba. 

Unless he was stabbed with an ice pick or something similar, I'm wondering about that too.  The wound close to his heart must have gone all the way through him...there was blood on the back of his shirt as well.  So imo it looks like he could have been shot.

Another report of a gang fight at one of the hotels...

http://www.awe24.com/20110813/8190/Gang_di_hobennan_a_bringa_cu_otro_dilanti_turistanan_na_e_centronan_comercial


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 02:06:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n3-1.jpg)


Justice for Natalee,


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Stephany.jpg)


and Stephany!


 ::justice2NJ::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 02:18:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n3-1.jpg)


Justice for Natalee,


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Stephany.jpg)


and Stephany!


 ::justice2NJ::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 10:25:51 AM
Aruba Authorities Intend to Pursue Criminal Charges Against Gary Giordano in Suspicious Death of Robyn Gardner … What Happened to “No Body, No Crime” With Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/14/aruba-authorities-intend-to-pursue-criminal-charges-against-gary-giordano-in-suspicious-death-of-robyn-gardner-what-happened-to-no-body-no-crime-with-joran-van-der-sloot-and-natalee-holloway/

According to Aruba authorities, they intend to pursue criminal charges against Gary Giordano, the 50 year old Gaithersburg man whose female companion, Robyn Gardiner, disappeared on “One Happy Another Murder Island” earlier this month. Really, suspicious death? What crime? Isn’t it interesting that when Natalee Holloway went missing and was presumed murdered by Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe, the three people last seen with Natalee leaving Carlos N’ Charlies … they were never charged with a crime or ever prosecuted because Aruba claimed … “NO BODY, NO CRIME”.

 ::snipping2::

So what is different in Aruba this time when they are faced with a murder of an American tourist? We all remember the run around that the Aruba authorities gave Beth and Dave Holloway when Natalee was reported missing. When Natalee was reported missing, the powers that be told Natalee’s family that she probably ran off with some one and that she would return. Then two black security guards were arrested and falsely accused by the very people who were last seen with Natalee of involvement in her disappearance. Isn’t it interesting that Aruba authorities and Taco Stein were quick to accuse American Gary Giordano of inconsistencies and automatically presumed that Robyn Gardiner was no longer alive. Inconsistencies? Who told more lies to police than Joran Vander Sloot?

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 10:27:17 AM
Lawyer challenges Aruba officials in tourist case
The Associated Press
Date: Monday Aug. 15, 2011 9:21 AM ET


ORANJESTAD, Aruba — A U.S. tourist detained in Aruba in the death of his travel companion has cooperated with investigators and should be immediately released because there is no evidence against him, his defence lawyer said Sunday.

Michael Lopez, the Aruban lawyer for Gary Giordano, denied statements by prosecutors that his client is no longer answering questions about what happened to Robyn Gardner, his companion on a short trip to the Dutch Caribbean island.

"We cannot deduce that there is hard proof to sustain a demand by the public prosecutor against our client," Lopez said.

Giordano, a 50-year-old business owner from Gaithersburg, Maryland, has granted four interviews to investigators and accompanied them twice on visits to the area where he said Gardner disappeared while they went snorkeling, Lopez said in a written statement.

"To date, our client has given all possible cooperation to the investigation," he said. "Where our client has been asked the same question more than once he referred to previous statements."

Giordano is scheduled to appear before a judge Monday for a detention hearing. Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said Sunday that prosecutors intend to file a petition asking a judge to extend Giordano's detention for another eight days while authorities continue to investigate the case. Under the Aruban system, any charges would not be filed until later

<snipped>

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20110815/lawyer-aruba-tourist-gary-giordano-woman-robyn-gardner-110815/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 10:55:59 AM
WHO CAN WE TRUST?

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.   And we are the last ones to find out.

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 11:03:55 AM
NEVER PASSED THE BALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 11:09:30 AM
TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

The Goal of Education

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

+++++

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 01:38:17 PM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/15/familiar-spotlight-on-aruba-after-disappearance-stirs-up-local-frustration/

Familiar spotlight on Aruba after disappearance stirs up local frustration


August 15th, 2011

09:28 AM ET

Comments (196 comments)


The disappearance of Robyn Gardner has brought the international media back to Aruba, and Arubans aren’t happy about it. After the prolonged investigation without resolution in the Natalee Holloway case the summer of 2005, tourism took a hit. The locals are nervous and not keen to see us again.

There is no way to keep a low profile on an island when you’re CNN. A photograph of us reporting in front of the prosecutor’s office was on the front page of the island’s most popular paper, The Diario, the day after we landed.

Since then, other networks have followed us to Aruba. NBC’s satellite dish now sprouts from the hotel grounds. An unnamed television team was having lunch near the site where Gardner reportedly vanished while snorkeling. Once the manager of the restaurant knew they were members of the media, he threw them out, refusing their money for the meal they had already been served. It’s a very strong reaction for a place whose maroon and white license plates boast “One Happy Island.”

That’s an extreme example. I have been here many times, and always, unfortunately, for bad news. I was here for much of the Holloway frenzy, but even now, I find most here are extremely polite and friendly. However, if you ask them if they know anything about the current case and would they be willing to be interviewed, people grow silent. Twice my requests were met with the same response. One person said “here is someone who could talk" to me while writing down a name and phone number. Only it was the number for the island’s solicitor general, and I already had it.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee1h.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 15, 2011, 02:16:57 PM
Hey Carpe - here is his current photo in all his big-ness




(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/polisnan.jpg)
Dennis Jacobs receives award

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un momento special, ora cu Cuerpo Policial Arubano a honra personal cu ta observando nan di 25 y 35 aña di servicio na e comunidad. Dialuna 11 di juli 2011, Alto Mando di Cuerpo Policial tabata presente pa honra cuatro di nan miembronan cu ta Sres. R.V. Halley, D.D. Jacobs, J.C. Peterson y señora B.R. Frolijk.
Sr Halley a cumpli 35 aña di servicio, mientras cu sr. Jacobs, sr. Peterson y sra Frolijk a cumpli 25 aña di servicio den Cuerpo Policial.
Alto Comisario, Sr. Adolfo Richardson, a otorga e coleganan e acostumbrado envelop y a mustra su aprecio pa tur nan añanan di dedicacion y trabao duro na fabor di e comunidad. El a expresa su deseo pa e coleganan menciona por keda mas hopi cu ta posibel cu K.P.A. pa asina yuda forma y instrui e generacionnan nobo cu e experiencia extenso cu nan a adkiri atraves di nan carriere.
Tambe el a gradici e famianan, cu tambe a sostene e coleganan atraves di tur e añanan. Esaki a sosode tanto den tempo bon y den tempo malo.
Presente na e ocasion aki tabata miembronan di e Korps Management Team y otro coleganan di e diferente departamentonan y nan famianan cu tambe a bin honra e coleganan.
http://www.diario.aw/2011/07/recordando-35-y-25-ana-di-servicio-den-cuerpo-policial-aruba/
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 05:30:01 PM

Gary Giordano

Aruba Suspect Gary Giordano in Court Today in Robyn Gardner Disappearance
ORANJESTAD, Aruba Aug. 15, 2011


<snipped>

Two women were granted restraining orders against Giordano, and court documents obtained by ABC News show allegations of a violent assault by an ex-girlfriend.

"We argued about his past sexual lifestyle as a swinger. He started to choke me with both hands. He then shoved his fingers down my throat. I was struggling and gagging," the girlfriend testified in court documents.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-suspect-gary-giordano-heads-court-robyn-gardner/story?id=14307322


Joran van der Sloot

Van der Sloot Confesses
DUTCHMAN SAYS HE KILLED PERUVIAN WOMAN IN FIT OF RAGE
updated Jun 8, 2010 7:38 AM CDT


<snipped>

Peruvian police have obtained what Aruba couldn't: a murder confession from Joran Van der Sloot in the killing of a young woman. The Dutchman has admitted killing Stephany Flores, 21, in his Lima hotel room, a Peruvian government official tells MSNBC. Van der Sloot says he broke her neck in a fit of rage when she used his laptop computer without permission and discovered he was involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to reports in the Peruvian media.

"I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," Van der Sloot is quoted as saying.

<snipped>

http://www.newser.com/story/91709/van-der-sloot-confesses.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 05:42:29 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/aruba-judge-extends-detention-for-8-days-for-us-man-suspected-in-companions-death/2011/08/15/gIQAvyIdHJ_story.html

Aruba judge extends detention for 16 days for US man suspected in companion’s death
By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, August 15, 4:13 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Prosecutors on the Caribbean island of Aruba say a judge has agreed to their request to continue holding an American tourist as a suspect in the death of a woman who was traveling with him.

The prosecutor’s office says in a statement the judge accepted a petition to detain Gary V. Giordano for 16 more days.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
http://www.knssradio.com/Aruba-Suspect-in-Court-in-Robyn-Gardner-Disappeara/10633132

Aruba Suspect in Court in Robyn Gardner Disappearance

(http://abcnewsradioonline.com/storage/news-images/N_081511_RobynGardner.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1313423617106)

 ::snipping2::

Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee, has offered help to the efforts to find Gardner through the foundation she started, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, in Washington, D.C. The foundation has been working with Robert Forester, Gardner's live-in boyfriend in Maryland, along with the Gardner family to get the word out about the disappearance.

The center has set up a phone tip line for the public to alert authorities to any knowledge they may have connected to Gardner's disappearance: 407-237-2295.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 15, 2011, 08:00:42 PM
Aruba Orders Suspect Gary Giordano Held in Robyn Gardner Case
ORANJESTAD, Aruba Aug. 15, 2011


An Aruba judge ordered Gary Giordano, the sole suspect in the disappearance of Maryland woman Robyn Gardner to remain in Aruba for 16 more days.

Giordano is being held in the possible drowning of 35 year-old Gardner, who is now presumed dead. Giordano told police that he and Gardner were snorkeling together when Gardner was swept out to sea, but police arrested him following inconsistencies in his story, according to Aruba authorities.

Giordano left the hearing with a shirt over his head as he was put into a police van and driven back to prison.

<snipped>

Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee, has offered help to the efforts to find Gardner through the foundation she started, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, in Washington, D.C. The foundation has been working with Robert Forester, Gardner's live-in boyfriend in Maryland, along with the Gardner family to get the word out about the appearance.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-judge-orders-suspect-gary-giordano-detained-16/story?id=14307322




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 16, 2011, 01:33:25 AM
Natalee will always be remembered!  ::justice2NJ::

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/10375168/__Verdachte_Aruba_langer_vast__.html?sn=binnenland

Google translation

Mon August 15 2011, 23:45
     
Aruba disappearance suspicious longer time

ORANGE CITY - The investigating judge in Aruba on Monday extended the remand of the American Gary G. suspected of involvement in the disappearance of American Robyn Gardner (35). He should at least another sixteen days are held, notify the public prosecutor in Aruba.

 ::snipping2::

Gardner will now help the family of Natalee Holloway Resource Centre. This was established after the disappearance of Holloway in 2005. The American disappeared during a vacation with classmates on the island. Her body was never found. Joran van der Sloot was the prime suspect in the case concerning her mysterious disappearance.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 01:37:06 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20518539,00.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08152011_People_RobynGardner.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 01:39:32 AM
Natalee will always be remembered!  ::justice2NJ::

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/10375168/__Verdachte_Aruba_langer_vast__.html?sn=binnenland

Google translation

Mon August 15 2011, 23:45
     
Aruba disappearance suspicious longer time

ORANGE CITY - The investigating judge in Aruba on Monday extended the remand of the American Gary G. suspected of involvement in the disappearance of American Robyn Gardner (35). He should at least another sixteen days are held, notify the public prosecutor in Aruba.

 ::snipping2::

Gardner will now help the family of Natalee Holloway Resource Centre. This was established after the disappearance of Holloway in 2005. The American disappeared during a vacation with classmates on the island. Her body was never found. Joran van der Sloot was the prime suspect in the case concerning her mysterious disappearance.


 ::MonkeyCool::

Absolutely!  And we'll never give up!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
http://wusa9.com/news/article/162862/44/Giordano-Ordered-Held-In-Aruba-For-16-More-Days

 ::snipping2::

Statement from Robyn Gardner's Family
Gardner's family reacts to the continued detainment of Gary Giordano

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Andrea Colson, mother of Robyn Gardner, made a statement this afternoon in reaction to the continued detainment of Gary Giordano, the suspect held in Aruba in connection to her daughter's disappearance:

"We are confident in the decision made by the Aruban authorities to keep Gary Giordano in custody, and we continue to be pleased with the way they have handled our daughter's case. We are still hoping to find out what has happened to our daughter, as we have not given up hope that she may still be alive. This has been such a hard time for all of Robyn's family and friends, and we are grateful for all the support that has come from communities around the world. We just want to find our daughter, and we continue to ask the public for any tips they may have in helping our Robyn come home."

At this time, the family is choosing not to speak with media, and appreciates that all media members continue to respect their privacy. Additionally, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center has set up a confidential tipline for any credible tips on Robyn's disappearance or current whereabouts. Anyone with any information can call 407-237-2295. All tips will be reported to the FBI for investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 03:16:13 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyTears::

(GRAPHIC PICTURE FROM ANIMAL SHELTER at the link)

http://www.diario.aw/2011/08/hopi-hende-disgusta-pa-mira-cuanto-cacho-ta-worde-mata-na-shelter/

Papiamentu translation:

much person disgusta for see cuanto cacho is worde kill at shelter

publication: tuesday, 16 august 2011.

categoria: general,policial

oranjestad (aan); by monday nightfall cu one young local owing to saca photograph of one pick-up completamente complete of cachonan dead in the baki, this owing to even become ‘viral’ localmente! hendenan disgusta cu the view ey, owing to core expresa they disgust! because on the photograph can see claramente cu even cacho diminutive, esta puppies, is worde poni “na soño” at animal shelter of wayaca. the young cu owing to place the photograph, owing to splica cu in pasado the self owing to arrive of take away much puppies for her shelter, keriendo cu they will achieve one second chance in life, y cu can worde adopta. but on monday past owing to come come across cu the realidad, esta cu much of they do not worde ‘ofreci’ one second life, y is immidiately worde elimina of the world here. the photograph was one shock for much person, because simplemente the word ‘shelter’ was give they the confianza cu the animalnan here will bay achieve one refugio. but as owing to arrive of worde splica in pasado, is much cacho y cat ‘indesea’ is worde ricibi here. they're worde examina, y esnan cu is complete of ailment, or cu is dificil for achieve tratamento adecuado for they, will worde ‘inyecta’ y poni at dream. this according standardnan aceptable in world of veterinario. sinembargo the photograph here, cu owing to inclui even cacho diminutive, owing to let one aroma amargo in mouth of much person local, cu owing to follow the imagennan here on facebook. some even owing to cuminza calling esnan of shelter because; ‘monster’! y the reaccionnan now is show, cu hendenan will prefera of take away they animalnan for animal rights aruba, because ey assure they will can achieve one second chens!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 03:28:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/n3-1.jpg)


Justice for Natalee,


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Stephany.jpg)


and Stephany!


 ::justice2NJ::

 


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Interesting SM front page post in the Robyn Gardner case :

Quote
Cooch
Submitted on 2011/08/16 at 8:00 am

As a child I played in some tunnels in “The Colony” it is where the large gate is in “Grape Field” in that general area. Did they ever search those tunnels? Though I heard that those holes in the ground were long covered over or filled. Just an idea that came up since the last lost person was in “Baby Beach” as is reported!

http://www.lago-colony.com/SUPPOR_BUILDINGS/CAVES.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 16, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
MD Man Stays Behind Bars In Woman's Disappearance
Monday, August 15, 2011

Prosecutors on the Caribbean island of Aruba say a judge has agreed to their request to continue holding an American tourist as a suspect in the death of a woman who was traveling with him.

The prosecutor's office says in a statement the judge accepted a petition to detain Gary V. Giordano for 16 more days.

Investigators say they need the additional time to investigate Giordano. Prosecutors have said he is a suspect in the death of travel companion Robyn Gardner.

<snipped>

Statement from Robyn Gardner’s Family
Gardner’s family reacts to the continued detainment of Gary Giordano


<snipped>

At this time, the family is choosing not to speak with media, and appreciates that all media members continue to respect their privacy. Additionally, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center has set up a confidential tipline for any credible tips on Robyn’s disappearance or current whereabouts. Anyone with any information can call 407-237-2295.  All tips will be reported to the FBI for investigation.

About the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) provides families of missing persons with an action plan, missing poster templates, contacts, resources, and handles press releases and media reach.  NHRC also provides education programs for traveling safe, crime prevention, and encourages careers in the fields of forensic science and law enforcement.  NHRC operates out of the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in Washington, D.C. For more information, visit

http://helpthemissing.org/

http://www.wbal.com/absolutenm/templates/story.aspx?articleid=78487&zoneid=3

+++++++

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Loving Natalee

The book retells events leading up to the night Natalee Holloway disappeared during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, and the ensuing investigation in the aftermath. It then focuses on the obstacles faced by the Holloway-Twitty family in their search for Natalee's whereabouts. Holloway recounts her anger at what she felt was a lack of cooperation from local authorities such as the Aruba Police Force, including the failure to obtain a warrant to search the home of suspect Joran van der Sloot.

Price 7.99

http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 16, 2011, 05:42:56 PM

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
http://helpthemissing.org/

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
http://scm.oas.org/pdfs/2011/CP25570T.pdf

Victim Assistance:  Multilateral Cooperation

Presenter
Jeannette Richardson-Baars MA, Deputy Commissioner (Ag) of Police, Aruba National Police,
Chair of the working group for countertrafficking activities & National Coordinator Anti-Human Trafficking & Smuggling

 ::snipping2::

• Aruba is a destination country for trafficking in persons

• Risk sectors are: prostitution and labor (service and construction industry)

• In 2007 an interdepartmental and interdisciplinary working group for counter-trafficking activities was installed

• Governmental and semi-governmental agencies tasked with anti-trafficking efforts are represented in the working group

• Partners in the working group are:
– Aruba Police Force (chair)
– Public Prosecutors Office
– Directorate of Alien Policy, Admission & Integration
– Directorate of Foreign Affairs
– Directorate of Labor & Research
– Directorate of Social Affairs
• Bureau for Victim Assistance
– Directorate of Public Health
– Directorate of National Security
– Coastguard Aruba & Netherlands Antilles

 ::snipping2::

• Results so far:

– the training of government officials in victim identification and victim assistance is ongoing

– a draft for a publicity and awareness campaign has been completed

– a telephone helpline has been established (+297)5923231 as well as an email adress LCMM@kparuba.com

– an outline for a study on human trafficking and the sex industry has been drafted

– an committee (police, prosecutor, labor, alien affairs) has been installed to review information on possible cases of human trafficking (case study)

– an investigative team has been assigned to handle cases of human trafficking

– a basic referral procedure for cases and / or victims of human trafficking has been established

• the Country Coordinator has to be informed immediately of any possible cases of human trafficking and will alert the review committee

• the Bureau for Victim Assistance will take care of shelter and support for the victims

• In 2009 a Memory of Understanding on trafficking in persons, human smuggling and illegal immigration was signed by the ministers of Justice of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba to ensure further cooperation and support between the partners in the Kingdom of the Netherlands

 ::snipping2::

What happened in 2010?

- one investigation into labor exploitation (HK Taylor)
* one victim, one suspect

- one investigation into sexual / labor exploitation (Strea)
* seven victims, four suspects
* forty-five possible victims

(I think this outlines the Alex Mathew/Foxy Lady case currently proceeding in Aruba...jmo)

at the end of 2009 two American females reported the loss of their passports

• they had been employed by Mister X as dancers in his club and he had taken their passports for safekeeping

• the police officer made a copy of their contract and contacted the National Coordinator who alerted the multi-disciplinary review committee

• a preliminary investigation led to sufficient indications of possible human trafficking and the case was handed to the Organized Crimes Unit for further investigation

• during the meeting of the National Coordinators a strategy for further cooperation was determined

• in the beginning of 2010 a Lithuanian female in Curacao made a complaint against Mister X, claiming to be a victim of human trafficking

• a male employee reported to have been forced into cooperation by the use of extreme violence

• in the summer of 2010 two Ukrainian females came to a police station and claimed to
have escaped from Mister X

• the investigation was intensified and preparations were made to arrest Mister X and his accomplices

• due to the risk for the victims it was decided they could not receive safe shelter on Aruba

• the Joint Investigations Teams NA&A provided the finances for transport to Curacao and later reinforced the investigative team

• the Victim Assistance Bureau Curacao provided shelter for the victims and made the necessary arrangements with IOM for return

• the National Police Service in the Netherlands provided for an expert investigator to join the team

• the National Prosecutors Office in the Netherlands provided for a specialized prosecutor

• during the raid at Mister X’s club two Brazilian females also claimed to be victims of
human trafficking and they were also transported to Curacao

• four arrests were made: Mister X, his girlfriend, his bodyguard and a police officer

• Mister X was transported to the prison in Bonaire

• the connection between Mister X and government employees is currently under investigation

• after the arrest two Russian females working in Spain contacted the investigative team to report that they were also Mister X’s victims

• more than seventy former employees have been identified of which forty-five possibly are victims of human trafficking

• the charges against Mister X will most likely include: human trafficking, being part of a criminal organization, money laundering and assault

Current status of the case:

- after his arrest Mister X was placed in preliminary detention and led before the investigative
judge

- the investigative judge ordered to interview several of the potential victims and witnesses
in this case

- as a result 10 more victims made an official compliant against Mister X for human trafficking

- Mister X made his first appearance before the court on the 17th of December 2010 and will do so again on the 1st of April 2011

- the case is expected to be brought before the court in the third or fourth trimester of 2011

- the nationalities of the known victims are: Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Brazilian, Russian, Hungarian, German, French and Scottish.

Partners in the STREA investigation are:

• The Aruba Police Force
• The Joint Investigations Teams NA&A
• The Prosecutors Office of Aruba and the Netherlands
• The National Coordinator of Aruba, Netherlands Antilles and the Netherlands
• The Victims Assistance Bureau Aruba and Curacao
• The National Police Service of the Netherlands
• The International Organization for Migration


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 16, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
Hiya Texasmom!  I wanted to post a few pics of Baby Beach just to show how isolated it is.  It is so calm until you get to the shell covered sandbar and opening.  We are excellent swimmers and snorkelers but that area looked and felt very rough so we did not venture out there.  Something about Baby Beach creeped me out while we were there.  You are very, very isolated.  Could you check your email and post the pics for me?!  Thanks and take care!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 08:58:08 PM
Hiya Texasmom!  I wanted to post a few pics of Baby Beach just to show how isolated it is.  It is so calm until you get to the shell covered sandbar and opening.  We are excellent swimmers and snorkelers but that area looked and felt very rough so we did not venture out there.  Something about Baby Beach creeped me out while we were there.  You are very, very isolated.  Could you check your email and post the pics for me?!  Thanks and take care!

Sorry I didn't check in here for a while, I'll do it now.  Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
Here's one, the other is still uploading.

Baby Beach from Sharon/Tx

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/BabyBeach_sharonTx2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 09:23:32 PM
Here's the other one:

Baby Beach posted for Sharon/Tx

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/BabyBeach_sharonTx1-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2011, 09:27:26 PM
They showed Martin Savage (on Nancy Grace) in Aruba at the location where Gary Giordano said they went snorkeling, it was nothing like Baby Beach...it was down from it...rocky, even more secluded..and it doesn't make sense at all that anyone would've chosen that area to go snorkeling.

I don't think either one of them went snorkeling.

He's a big fat liar!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2011, 09:51:20 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6051073049_9a20ca7b86_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 17, 2011, 07:07:57 AM
Thank you Texasmom!  Also thanks Klaasend for the aerial view!  I'm with everyone else, "what happened to no body no crime?!"  Did we ever find out whose jaw bone it was that washed up?  This "One Happy Island" sure holds lots of secrets.  Hugs to all you Monkeys and thanks again Texasmom!  My prayers are with Robyn's family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2011, 09:31:54 AM
Note with the satellite view you can plainly see that the current would tend to wash a body ashore at this location. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Blonde on August 17, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Landscapes/babybeach-703090.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Blonde on August 17, 2011, 09:49:08 AM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6051073049_9a20ca7b86_b.jpg)

Maybe while they were in the water he stepped on her until she drowned then he walked away .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2011, 10:05:16 AM
Blonde - I don't think she ever intentionally went in the water.  If she did and she drowned there, her body should have washed ashore.  

Most of what we are posting in the Robyn Gardner case is being posted in her thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11942.msg1462404#new


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 17, 2011, 10:59:32 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-suspect-15-million-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496


Missing in Aruba: Suspect Took Out $1.5 Million Insurance


Authorities in Aruba are investigating an insurance policy taken out by Gary Giordano before his trip to Aruba as a possible motive in the disappearance of missing Maryland woman Robyn Gardner.

The investigation into the $1.5 million accidental death policy on Gardner -- which names Giordano as a beneficiary -- has been confirmed exclusively with ABC News by a police source in Aruba, as has the fact that he purchased the pricier one-year policy over the cheaper, more commonly purchased five-year policy.
 ::snipping2::


Thanks 4 Donks

It appears motive and premeditation has been established.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 17, 2011, 01:58:23 PM
Missing in Aruba: Suspect Took Out $1.5 Million Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


Authorities in Aruba are investigating an insurance policy taken out by Gary Giordano before his trip to Aruba as a possible motive in the disappearance of missing Maryland woman Robyn Gardner.

The investigation into the $1.5 million accidental death policy on Gardner -- which names Giordano as a beneficiary -- has been confirmed exclusively with ABC News by a police source in Aruba, as has the fact that he purchased the pricier one-year policy over the cheaper, more commonly purchased five-year policy.

<snipped>

Authorities said that that they found blood on a rock behind the dive shop at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill, which is the last place the two were seen together.

Investigators also told ABC News of Giordano's other erratic behavior at the time of the disappearance -- including that he left the search early to get some sleep at his hotel.

Three days after the search for Gardner began, Giordano got within feet of leaving the country before he was stopped at Aruba's airport, after passing through security and U.S. customs -- where he told customs he had to change flights because of weather, and inexplicably told officials that his travel companion was "taking another flight." When arrested, authorities say Giordano was drenched in sweat.

<snipped>

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-suspect-15-million-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 17, 2011, 04:37:13 PM
Soooo...December will be 18 months in prison awaiting trial.  If it doesn't begin by then, then Joran is released to await trial but must remain in Peru.  What is taking so long?  I think that I'll go and read some of the comments there.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1044136/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-se-teme-que-lentitud-fiscal-posibilite-libertad-holandes

If Van der Sloot is feared that enables slow release of the Dutch tax
The lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores said in late December, the confessed murderer will be 18 months in jail and if no statement to that date could be released


Wednesday August 17, 2011 - 9:46 a.m.

In a recent criminal record within the Castro Castro is seen by Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, confessed murderer of Stephany Flores Ramirez, receive quietly and without much concern a number of documents on the charges facing the crime of homicide against her.

The serenity of the professional poker player should be, according to the Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, the Public Ministry would allow slow release in late December when he turns 18 months in jail without trial.

Speaking to elcomercio.pe, Alvarez explained that the owner of the Ninth Criminal Court of Lima Senior Prosecutor, Miriam Riveros Castellares received early June, the case file and had a period of eight days to submit the charge for the Judiciary so that the trial against Van der Sloot begins. However, you have not already done so.

"This is an irresponsible fiscal, has amassed files and does not take into account the time (...) A person may not be detained more than 18 months without trial. Definitely is not qualified for the position. This is a case, but she seems to matter very little, "said the lawyer.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 17, 2011, 04:56:43 PM
A few comments from the article above.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1044136/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-se-teme-que-lentitud-fiscal-posibilite-libertad-holandes

Orlan Cuba (Orlandini)
Corruption everywhere!
August 17, 2011 10:29 Report

AGUILAR EDUARDO MALDONADO (45ceam)
JUSTICE HAS SUFFICIENT AND NECESSARY TESTS. Q SHOULD SHOW "THE IDEA OF WIDESPREAD CORRUPTION" IS PURE AND THERE CUENTO.Q "EL AS IS" FROM THE DOOR TO THE LAWYER SAYS "BOTH WANT THE JUDGE" AND DOES NOT KNOW IF THE JUDGE ADVOCATE OR CORRUPT!
August 17, 2011 10:53 Report

Magit Magit (magit70)
AMAZING !!!!... and most in need (or need more proof!) PJ to sentence ...? I killed another girl? (Because your having no one but two!). Must intervene here and the Minister of Justice or the same Pres (for cases of this nature).
August 17, 2011 10:55 Report

Jose Fernandez Rojas (josefer1977)
Long live Ollanta! jajjaaja sure the Dutch out to buy bread as crusillat and then!
August 17, 2011 10:58 Report

Eduardo Sanchez (eduardo0197)
But some judges have much time to be sending more crimes Fujimori to Chile knowing that is already doomed for life. There are murders that lasts more than 5 Agnos not found guilty and murderers free on the streets (not counting the marks increase)
August 17, 2011 11:06 Report

JUSTICIERO FOREVER (justiciero1)
NO !!!!!! WHEN PROSECUTORS "##$%%&//
August 17, 2011 11:08 Report

eduardo garcia molina (eduard20)
is it possible that this happening ... bone by a prosecutor Sloot irresponasbilidad go free? then say that the police released offenders ... clear corruption everywhere ... support you

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2011, 05:39:42 PM
Klaas just mentioned him a night or two ago... 

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=426

Ramses Jesus Birthday White party 12aug'11

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/ramses_jesus_birthday_white_party_12aug11_426/photo_gallery_picture_20110813_1630981907.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/ramses_jesus_birthday_white_party_12aug11_426/photo_gallery_picture_20110813_2074749422.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on August 17, 2011, 06:09:40 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/17/peru.van.der.sloot/
Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2011 -- Updated 2200 GMT (0600 HKT)

(CNN) -- The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2011, 06:25:21 PM
Wow what a coincidence about Ramses.  What is it with all the gay/bi people in Aruba (not that there's anything wrong with it)  Just find the ratios appear to be fairly high. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 17, 2011, 07:18:39 PM
Video of Joran in prison.  Put on a little weight?  ::piggy::

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/17/joran-van-der-sloot-video-_n_929810.html

Joran Van Der Sloot, Natalee Holloway Murder Suspect, Seen In Prison Video As Flores Family Fears 2012 Release
First Posted: 8/17/11 04:59 PM ET Updated: 8/17/11 04:59 PM ET

With his trial still looming, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot is making a virtual appearance by way of a video released from Peru's Castro Castro Prison.

The 24-year-old van der Sloot -- who is the prime suspect in the May 2010 murder of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores -- is seen talking with a court official before leaving the high security zone of the prison.

The video comes on the heels of an announcement from a Peruvian lawyer who says the Dutch citizen could be freed by next year.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2011, 07:25:17 PM
He's fat and ugly

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/newsinc/landing_page.html?freewheel=90057&sitesection=sehuffingtonpost&VID=23515678


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2011, 10:52:24 PM
Wow what a coincidence about Ramses.  What is it with all the gay/bi people in Aruba (not that there's anything wrong with it)  Just find the ratios appear to be fairly high. 

I agree.   ::monkeydust::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2011, 11:22:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cheDnkHkHE

http://www.youtube.com/v/3cheDnkHkHE?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2011, 11:49:10 PM
One whole page of the today's edition of Awe Mainta newspaper was blacked out?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/08172011-AweMaintaPgs11-12-1.jpg)

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/?p=2525

Pages 11 (blacked out) and 12

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 12:01:46 AM
Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2011 -- Updated 2200 GMT (0600 HKT


(CNN) -- The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.

Van der Sloot faces charges in the May 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his Lima hotel room. Police say van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested a few days later.

Investigators delivered their case file to prosecutors in June for a decision on charges. Ricardo Flores said the prosecutor in the case, Miriam Riveros Castellares, is "not moving with the speed that a case of this magnitude merits."

"We're asking that either the prosecutor file charges or that authorities remove her from this case and name somebody else," he said.

There was no immediate response to the family's concerns from the prosecutor's office.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/17/peru.van.der.sloot/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2011, 12:23:36 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/17/peru.van.der.sloot/
Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2011 -- Updated 2200 GMT (0600 HKT)

(CNN) -- The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 12:25:26 AM

Missing in Aruba: Investigators Focus on Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


<snipped>

Surveillance video from local businesses place Giordano and Gardner at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of the island before Gardner went missing, a law enforcement source told ABC News. Restaurant staff said that Gardner seemed woozy while the two ate; Giordano later told police they'd been drinking vodka at the Marriott before dining, and that she'd taken sleeping pills earlier in the day, the source said.

<snipped>

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496&page=2

++++++++


Aruba Mystery: What Happened to Missing Robyn Gardner?
Wednesday August 17, 2011 07:30 PM EDT


<snipped>

The most recent shocker was the discovery of graphic photographs on Giordano's digital camera. The photos show Gardner in sexual positions with "parts of" Giordano, according to Stein. The images, a source tells PEOPLE are "beyond pornographic."

No other information about the photos has been revealed, and it's still not known exactly when the pictures were taken and whether Gardner had engaged in the acts willingly.

It's the latest surprise in a case that had already gained notoriety because of its parallels to the unsolved disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 18, from Aruba in 2005. The suspect in that case, Joran van der Sloot, is being tried this fall in Peru for the murder of another woman. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center has opened a tip line for the Gardner case.

The leads have been provocative. Along with the photos, authorities revealed they're looking into a $1.5 million accidental death insurance policy that Giordano reportedly took out on Gardner before their trip.

<snipped>
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20520711,00.html

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2011, 01:42:39 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/nieuw-seizoen-start-op-30-oktober/

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2011, 01:43:23 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2011, 01:47:05 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 11:16:43 AM
Beth Holloway will Dr. Drew's guest tonight.  The Robyn Gardner case will be the topic of discussion.

Janet

+++++

Missing in Aruba: Investigators Focus on Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


<snipped>

Gardner, 35, has been missing for two weeks, since reportedly snorkeling with Giordano, 50, off of an isolated beach on Aug. 2. The two traveled together from Maryland to Aruba on July 31. She is now presumed to be dead by Aruba police.

<snipped>

Police are asking members of the public that may have information about Gardner's disappearance to call 011-297-582-0695 and leave their tip and contact information. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which is also helping with the case, has set up an American tip line at 407-237-2295.

<snipped>

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496&page=2



Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
http://helpthemissing.org/

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 11:29:16 AM

Missing in Aruba: Investigators Focus on Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


<snipped>

Surveillance video from local businesses place Giordano and Gardner at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of the island before Gardner went missing, a law enforcement source told ABC News. Restaurant staff said that Gardner seemed woozy while the two ate; Giordano later told police they'd been drinking vodka at the Marriott before dining, and that she'd taken sleeping pills earlier in the day, the source said.

<snipped>

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496&page=2


Aruba Mystery: What Happened to Missing Robyn Gardner?
Wednesday August 17, 2011 07:30 PM EDT


<snipped>

The most recent shocker was the discovery of graphic photographs on Giordano's digital camera. The photos show Gardner in sexual positions with "parts of" Giordano, according to Stein. The images, a source tells PEOPLE are "beyond pornographic."

No other information about the photos has been revealed, and it's still not known exactly when the pictures were taken and whether Gardner had engaged in the acts willingly.

It's the latest surprise in a case that had already gained notoriety because of its parallels to the unsolved disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 18, from Aruba in 2005. The suspect in that case, Joran van der Sloot, is being tried this fall in Peru for the murder of another woman. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center has opened a tip line for the Gardner case.

The leads have been provocative. Along with the photos, authorities revealed they're looking into a $1.5 million accidental death insurance policy that Giordano reportedly took out on Gardner before their trip.

<snipped>
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20520711,00.html


Could it be the Gary Giordano had been drugging Robin Gardner since their arrival on the Island three days earlier?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 11:41:01 AM

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 17, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  ... Now claims emerging Gardner woozy at that lunch, woozy after being given sleeping pills. Who takes sleeping pills before they snorkel? ...

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 12:00:40 PM
Gary Giordano Tried to Collect Insurance Payout on Robyn Gardner: Sources
Aug. 18, 2011


<snipped>

Travel Insurance Policy Focus of Robyn Gardner Investigation

In Maryland, Gardner's live-in boyfriend Robert Forester said the revelations about the insurance policy were disturbing.

"To be honest, I was saddened to hear it. I can't believe that Robyn would ever sign something like that voluntarily. Maybe if she was forced to, maybe if she was misinformed to what it was," Forester said.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/International/gary-giordano-redeem-insurance-policy-robyn-gardner/story?id=14331550


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
Gary Giordano Tried to Collect Insurance Payout on Robyn Gardner: Sources
Aug. 18, 2011


Gary Giordano, the only suspect in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner in Aruba, tried to redeem an insurance policy on Gardner that could be worth up to $1.5 million, according to reports.

Giordano moved to collect on the policy, which named him as beneficiary, within two days of reporting Gardner missing, the Associated Press reported.

Police were investigating an accidental death insurance policy for Gardner that named Giordano, 50, as the beneficiary, ABC News had reported earlier this week.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/International/gary-giordano-redeem-insurance-policy-robyn-gardner/story?id=14331550


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 01:31:41 PM
It appears that Julia Renfro's relationship with the "powers that be" within the ALE ... relationship that was thisclose during the Natalee Holloway investigation ... has not changed.

Why would a reporter/editor be privy to Robyn Gardner case evidence that has yet to be released to the media?

Janet

++++

The Robyn Gardner Case

REPORT: ‘Beyond Pornographic’ Photos Of Robyn Gardner Found In Suspect’s Digital Camera
Posted on Aug 18, 2011 @ 11:15AM


<snipped> 

Police have also discovered naked photos of Robyn with Giordano on his digital camera, and the pictures are “beyond pornographic,” according to People magazine.

“You only see organs,” Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today said, explaining that it was unclear if the acts were consensual. “You don’t know if she is awake. There are other pictures where she is posing naked.”

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/08/report-beyond-pornographic-photos-robyn-gardner-found-suspect-s-digital-camera


The Natalee Holloway Case

Is the Government of Aruba Going after Natalee's Family?
Published December 07, 2005


BILL O'REILLY, HOST:  ... The thesis, and they quote Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig in the article. The thesis is that the Holloway family, Twitty family, impeded the police investigation, Julia. Do you believe that?

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, it’s not really what I believe, but I did speak to the Commissioner Dompig earlier today, and I asked him, "What did you mean by they hurt the investigation?" And he said he’s not blaming them specifically for anything, but that their attacks via the U.S. media certainly changed the tide of the investigation, basically, pressuring the police to make what they felt, believe it or not, premature arrests of the suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177980,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 18, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
E prome y unico clinica pa Medicina Hyperbarica ta felicita su empleado Paul Seute

(http://www.boletinextra.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/1ed7a65bf7fd034a4baf8f65e9d499c9.jpg)
Recientemente Paul Seute, chamber master na HOPE, a termina excitosamente su cursonan di medicina hyperbaric den “HYPERBARIC MEDICINE TEAM TRAINING” na e hospital Nix na na San Antonio Texas. HOPE desde 2006 ta un centro pa medicina hyperbarico caminda patientnan ta hania diagnostico y tratamiento. Entre e diagnosticonan mas mira ta pia diabetico cu herida severo cu no kier cura of cu ta na peliger di amputashon.

HOPE (Hyperbaric Oxygen Producing Environment) cu a ser lanta entre Ulrich Tromp y Ike Posner na ania 2006 pa trata scuba divers y malesanan pa medicina hyperbarico. Nan a kuminsa ku un chamber di marca Perry y awendia HOPE tin tres chamber, dos di marca leaderlife. E chamber nan aki cu ta invershonan grandi, ta sumamanete effectivo y comodo pa jiuda patientan.

Na ania 2006 HOPE a gana un reconosimiento di PADI pa aporta na e seguridad di scuba diving na Aruba. Hope ta reconosi pa Divers Alert Network DAN di Duke Universityo y ta den e ultimo fasenan pa reconosimiento di UHMS (undersea and hyperbaric medical society). Tambe HOPE a cuminsa e proceso pa ser reconosi pa duna cuido na professional divers. Na Augustus e top authoridad na mundo Dr Francois Burma di Sudafrica ta bini pa duna training y certifica esnan na HOPE.

Ku aparatonan sufistica y di ultimo technologia doctor Posner y su team ta juda su patientnan. Vasera ta un aparato ku den centronan na Japon, Europa y USA ta ser husa pa screening di problemanan di circulashon. Sin dolor y di un forma rapido por bisa con e estado di e adernan ta. TCOM ku ta para pa Transcutaneous Oxygen Measurement ta e aparato reconosi mundialmente pa jiuda diagnostic e estado di heridanan y pa jiuda duna prognostico.

Diagnostico cu mester di medicina hyperbarico ta entre otro:
Scuba divers cu a bent
Pia Diabetico cu herida chronico
Heridanan causa pa tratamiento cu radiocion
Infectionan chronico den hueso, osteomyelitis
Infectionan cu “flesh eating” bacteria ku ta un emergencia den medicina
Flap nan den sirugia plastico

Empleadonan cu hopi experiencia, educashont training ta traja na HOPE. Enfermeronan cu mas di 30 ania di experiencia, ingeniero electronico y di IT y programashon, efermeronan experto den anesthesia, cuido intesivo, den dolor y heridanan, personal cu training na Merca, Colombia, Cuba y Europa den cursonan y hospitalnan reconosi mundialmente. Tur ta conosi cu e huso di technologia manera anodyne, bioptron, UV-C, gravitational platelet separation, vacume assisted closure, una boot. Pronto lo por lesa di esakinan riba www.hopearuba.com.


Asina HOPE ta felicita Paul Seute y su personal en general pa nan empenio di busca excelencia den cuido di patientnan ku mester medicina hyperbarico.
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/9779-e-prome-y-unico-clinica-pa-medicina-hyperbarica-ta-felicita-su-empleado-paul-seute


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 18, 2011, 05:04:14 PM
(http://www.boletinextra.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/80334a891b9db0d1f1033e33c47b9e25.jpg)
Tamara Waldron


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 18, 2011, 05:04:39 PM
(http://www.boletinextra.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/a3c9ba522fc2b7f7da98d65fa3e30a59.jpg)
AHATA Lino van der Biezen of The Westin Resort & Casino, Aruba is Caribbean Supreivsor of the Year.
http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php?start=814


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 07:24:50 PM
Beth Holloway will Dr. Drew's guest tonight.  The Robyn Gardner case will be the topic of discussion.

Janet

+++++

Missing in Aruba: Investigators Focus on Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


<snipped>

Gardner, 35, has been missing for two weeks, since reportedly snorkeling with Giordano, 50, off of an isolated beach on Aug. 2. The two traveled together from Maryland to Aruba on July 31. She is now presumed to be dead by Aruba police.

<snipped>

Police are asking members of the public that may have information about Gardner's disappearance to call 011-297-582-0695 and leave their tip and contact information. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which is also helping with the case, has set up an American tip line at 407-237-2295.

<snipped>

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496&page=2



Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
http://helpthemissing.org/

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall



6:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 18, 2011, 08:46:10 PM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
http://solodipueblo.com/?p=9054

8/18/2011 Solo di Pueblo Front Page

 ::snipping2::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 10:34:59 PM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks CBB

Janet

++++

Natalee Holloway's mother consoles Flores family
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 17, 2010 -- Updated 1753 GMT (0153 HKT)


(CNN) -- The mother of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway talked to the family of a murdered Peruvian woman whose case may be linked to her daughter's, the Peruvian family told CNN's sister network In Session.

Beth Holloway gave the Flores family her "sincere, sincere condolences" when they spoke for the first time Wednesday, Enrique Flores told In Session's Jean Casarez.

Flores' sister Stephany was killed May 30. Joran van der Sloot, who is being held in connection with the killing, was twice arrested but never charged in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005.

Beth Holloway told Enrique Flores she hoped his family would not go through what her family had suffered, he said.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/17/peru.murder.case.holloway/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2011, 10:56:53 PM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released

His confession is not the truth, it's a Joran version of the truth...he's the victim as usual.

I don't see Joran being set free in Peru, if he is someone will take him out and no one will ever be prosecuted for it.  If there's no money for a lawyer, there's no money for protection on the streets of Lima.

jmo

My understanding from the reports so far, are that IF he was released; he would be required to stay in Peru, and would only remain free until the trial. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
“Van der Sloot went on gambling after murder
”Published on 25 March 2011 - 6:15pm


Joran van der Sloot may have spent the night playing online poker after murdering Stephany Flores, according to Peruvian forensic investigators who have carried out a detailed examination of his laptop.

The detectives also found that Flores did not search for information on Natalee Holloway immediately before the murder, as Van der Sloot claims. The laptop was used to search for details of the Holloway case, but much earlier in the day, Dutch website Crimesite reports. Van der Sloot says he killed Flores in a fury when he saw she was reading about his alleged involvement in Holloway’s disappearance.

Between 04.24 and 08.23 Van der Sloot’s laptop was in use, with a number of pauses, and two poker websites were visited. This could suggest Van der Sloot went on playing poker after murdering Flores. Another possibility is that the murder took place after the poker games were finished. This would mean the killing did not take place during a row shortly after the two returned to the hotel at 05.30, as he claimed in his initial statement to the police.

Crime of passion

Van der Sloot says that after an evening at the casino he and Flores returned to the hotel at her suggestion to go on playing poker. When he checked his e-mail he found hate mail relating to his alleged involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, he says. When he returned to the room after fetching coffee, he claims he found Flores using his laptop to look for information on the Holloway case, and lost his temper.

Van der Sloot’s defence lawyer argues he killed Flores in the heat of the moment when the row turned into a physical fight. The murder was therefore not premeditated but a ‘crime of passion’. But the data on the laptop shows the search for information on Holloway, said to have prompted the row, took place much earlier in the day, during the afternoon.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 11:15:01 PM
March 28, 2011 11:55 AM
Joran van der Sloot Laptop Lie? Peru police say computer exposes lie in Stephany Flores killing


CBS/AP) LIMA, Peru - A study of Joran van der Sloot's laptop shows he is lying when he says he killed a young Peruvian woman in a fit of rage after she discovered his connection to Natalee Holloway's disappearance while using the computer, a senior Peruvian police official said Friday.

Stephany Flores did not view any such information on the laptop after accompanying Van der Sloot to the Lima hotel room where she was killed on May 30, the technology chief of Peru's police, Col. Oscar Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

"She didn't view anything about Holloway. It's a lie that she tried to ask him about (the case)," Gonzales said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20047862-504083.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
Murder of Stephany Flores in Peru: Joran Van der Sloot Lying Again … Laptop Study Shows that Searches on Natalee Holloway Much Earlier in the Day

<snipped>

... Now Van der Sloot, the Dutch Sporter is lying to save his bacon in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot has claims that he murdered Flores in a fit of passion and rage after discovering that she had violated his privacy and has looking up information on his laptop in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

<snipped>

Posted March 26, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/03/26/murder-of-stephany-flores-in-peru-joran-van-der-sloot-lying-again-laptop-study-shows-that-searches-on-natalee-holloway-much-earlier-in-the-day/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 18, 2011, 11:26:14 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-unlikely-be-freed

Joran van der Sloot unlikely to be freed
Published on 18 August 2011 - 9:57pm

It is highly unlikely that Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot will be released from remand before he stands trial, says Peruvian legal expert Mario Amoretti.

Van der Sloot is suspected of the murder of Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old student who was found dead in his hotel room in Lima over a year ago. He was arrested in June 2010 and has been in custody since. Under Peruvian law, remand is limited to 18 months.

Delay
The Flores family’s lawyer Edward Alvarez had complained that no indictment against Van der Sloot had yet been formulated. He warned that the delay could lead to the suspect being released to await the start of the trial in freedom in Peru.

The Peruvian justice authorities have confirmed that Van der Sloot’s remand can indeed be extended as Mr Amoretti says, but stress that there’s as yet no question of that being necessary. The Public Prosecutor is said to have received the file in July and to be dealing with the case.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 18, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released

His confession is not the truth, it's a Joran version of the truth...he's the victim as usual.

I don't see Joran being set free in Peru, if he is someone will take him out and no one will ever be prosecuted for it.  If there's no money for a lawyer, there's no money for protection on the streets of Lima.

jmo

My understanding from the reports so far, are that IF he was released; he would be required to stay in Peru, and would only remain free until the trial. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 18, 2011, 11:57:18 PM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released

His confession is not the truth, it's a Joran version of the truth...he's the victim as usual.

I don't see Joran being set free in Peru, if he is someone will take him out and no one will ever be prosecuted for it.  If there's no money for a lawyer, there's no money for protection on the streets of Lima.

jmo

My understanding from the reports so far, are that IF he was released; he would be required to stay in Peru, and would only remain free until the trial. 

 ::rhino::

I don't think he would make it 10' out the front gate.  ::MonkeyCool:: .......................actually might be preferable!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2011, 12:37:45 AM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released

His confession is not the truth, it's a Joran version of the truth...he's the victim as usual.

I don't see Joran being set free in Peru, if he is someone will take him out and no one will ever be prosecuted for it.  If there's no money for a lawyer, there's no money for protection on the streets of Lima.

jmo

My understanding from the reports so far, are that IF he was released; he would be required to stay in Peru, and would only remain free until the trial. 

 ::rhino::

I don't think he would make it 10' out the front gate.  ::MonkeyCool:: .......................actually might be preferable!

I agree.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 19, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
Kimberly and Kelly are going off because the prosecuters haven't filed charges on Joran yet. You all will enjoy their outrage!:

Fox News Video:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1116876427001/could-joran-van-der-sloot-be-released

His confession is not the truth, it's a Joran version of the truth...he's the victim as usual.

I don't see Joran being set free in Peru, if he is someone will take him out and no one will ever be prosecuted for it.  If there's no money for a lawyer, there's no money for protection on the streets of Lima.

jmo

My understanding from the reports so far, are that IF he was released; he would be required to stay in Peru, and would only remain free until the trial. 

 ::rhino::

I don't think he would make it 10' out the front gate.  ::MonkeyCool:: .......................actually might be preferable!

I agree.   ::MonkeyCool::
I say that knowing that an "alive" Joran might finally give up where Natalee is -- sadly, the truth is he will NEVER give it up. I say ------ be done with him.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 19, 2011, 12:57:51 AM
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/08/the-nightly-turbo-full-tilt-class-action-suit-bonomo-move-10875.htm

The Nightly Turbo: Full Tilt Class Action Suit, Bonomo on the Move, and More
August 18 2011, Elaine Chaivarlis

Joran van der Sloot might actually get out of jail. But since he has a loose connection to poker, and we think he's a deplorable person, we're not really going to talk about it. What we will discuss is the new class action lawsuit, where Justin Bonomo is headed, and more.

Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/08/the-nightly-turbo-full-tilt-class-action-suit-bonomo-move-10875.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2011, 12:58:53 AM
The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen
03/25/2009


<snipped>

What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”?

The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book.

<snipped>

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

+++++++

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway
ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2011, 01:44:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 19, 2011, 03:08:19 AM

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/joran-van-der-sloot-free-by-xmas

The prime suspect in the NATALEE HOLLOWAY disappearance, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may be freed from Peruvian prison by Christmas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
beyond disturbing.....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2011, 01:21:53 PM
The price is right!  A great gift idea for friends/relatives who fail to comprehend the Natalee Holloway obsession while at the same time supporting the National Museum of Crime & Punishment.

++++

NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT

Loving Natalee

The book retells events leading up to the night Natalee Holloway disappeared during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, and the ensuing investigation in the aftermath. It then focuses on the obstacles faced by the Holloway-Twitty family in their search for Natalee's whereabouts. Holloway recounts her anger at what she felt was a lack of cooperation from local authorities such as the Aruba Police Force, including the failure to obtain a warrant to search the home of suspect Joran van der Sloot.

Price 7.99

http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
Not once did Taco Stein, Solicitor General of Aruba publicly express the same outrage  about Joran van der Sloot.  Joran had a history.  Why the double standard?

Could it be that Gary Giordano is not the son of a Dutch elite?  Could it be that there is not an agenda within the investigation to protect Gary Giordano from accountability in regards to his participation in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner ... an agenda that impliea justice will not prevail?

+++++

DR. DREW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 21:00   ET


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MATT LAUER, "THE TODAY SHOW": According to "People" magazine, Mr. Stein, you describe Mr. Giordano in this way -- and they have you quoted here -- "He is a mean bastard." And then the next quote, "The way he treats women, it`s all geared toward himself."

Do you think that that quote coming from you in some ways might be problematic at this stage of the case?

STEIN: Well, I don`t know. I can have an opinion myself about a person. I`m not dealing with the case myself. So my colleagues who will take the case to court will not be biased.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/ddhln.01.html

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2011, 02:15:47 PM
The blood of Stephany Flores is on the hands of those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who protected Joran van der Sloot from accountability time and time again.

+++++

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


<snipped>

 12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices

<snipped>.
 
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
Why did owners and authorities turn a blind eye towards an underage Joran's involvement in the Aruban gambling and nightclub establishments?

+++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2011, 03:16:18 PM
Why did casino/club owners as well as Aruban authorities turn a blind eye towards underage Joran illegal activities?

+++++

Beth Holloway - LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.


Joran van der Sloot -Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino.  I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2011, 05:25:27 PM
Wonder if the tourists know about this... 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/81260-personeel-gevangenis-kia-geschorst

Google translation:

KIA prison personnel suspended

FRIDAY, AUGUST 19 2011 10:01


(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2011-08-19-765743-350x233.jpg)

Authorities investigating the escape of two heavy criminals from prison KIA.

ORANGE CITY - A number of prison staff KIA has been suspended pending the investigation into the escape of two dangerous criminals yesterday. "There are disciplinary measures against some employees," said Garrick Lacle, spokesman for Justice Minister Arthur Dower (AVP).

by our reporter

Alex Lacle

On the night of Wednesday to Thursday, around a quarter to two, escaped Jory Edmond Lo-A and Njoe Ulgino Reynaldo Gonzales, from prison. They knew from their cell to break down and tied together with bed sheets over the fences and walls of the jail. All this happened without the guards sounded the alarm, but the escape was well recorded on security cameras. Hours later, when all was light, was only beaten alarm. When asked if these guards deliberately looked the other way and they forsook their duty by not paying attention, the spokesman could not answer. "That should the investigation establish. I can not tell you yet. "The investigation into the escape, according to the spokesperson in the hands of the Land Investigation and other" competent bodies ".


The criminals were this morning still on the run. "The search is in progress," said police spokesman John Larmonie. The police does everything for the two escapees back behind bars. Both uniformed police investigators working on the case. The Arrest Team (AT) and the Mobile Unit (ME) to help with the search. Furthermore, the military readiness, as confirmed Lacle request. "We have soldiers in the barracks asked, should the need arise, to assist." He says they are not used, but it is a option. The escaped criminals are known to be dangerous and extremely violent. Both were convicted of serious crimes, as did Justice Minister Arthur Dower (AVP) today know. Citizens are summoned by the police again to look at these criminals, and they will not themselves be approached. "Call the police at telephone 100 with any information whatsoever," says Larmonie. "For your own safety they should not be approached. We must assume that they may be armed and desperate. "For anonymous tips on these criminals can be dialed number 11141.

Threat

Persistent rumors of death threats from the criminals escaped to the address of specific agents, according to police spokesman Larmonie not based on truth. Does give Larmonie that these wannabe gangsters "themselves often talk tough about the" agents of harm, but that the investigation so far has yielded no evidence that this is a serious threat.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 19, 2011, 08:53:01 PM
If I remember correctly, in Aruba, if prisoners escape and are found, they do not get in trouble.  The guards get in trouble for not doing their job but they expect the prisoners to want out and they don't get extra time for trying to get out.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 19, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
If I remember correctly, in Aruba, if prisoners escape and are found, they do not get in trouble.  The guards get in trouble for not doing their job but they expect the prisoners to want out and they don't get extra time for trying to get out.   ::MonkeyConfused::

So........................... if they kill a guard trying to escape, then it is probably "justifiable homicide"!!!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

The place is UNBELIEVABLE!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 19, 2011, 09:24:18 PM
If I remember correctly, in Aruba, if prisoners escape and are found, they do not get in trouble.  The guards get in trouble for not doing their job but they expect the prisoners to want out and they don't get extra time for trying to get out.   ::MonkeyConfused::

So........................... if they kill a guard trying to escape, then it is probably "justifiable homicide"!!!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

The place is UNBELIEVABLE!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It would serve em all right if they all just started killing each other.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 12:41:26 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35634-alex-mathew-polis-ta-gana.html

Papiamentu translation:

alex mathew: police is lie!

thursday, 18 august 2011 18:14

for demostra cu in kia celular, blackberry y even laptop is enter, behold here one "post" haci today afternoon by of the preso (prisoner) alex mathew. the preso is critica the mature cu polisnan owing to let know cu the two fugitivonan of husticia will owing to let one carta of menasa behind. the is sospecha cu police is tell this immidiately for they achieve autorisacion for "shoot to kill" on the two fugitivonan. more far the is acusa we sistema hudicial of is corupto. all this on his facebook....pues in kia the presonan have acceso at facebook, obviamente!

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2011.augustus.aug18.alex.jpg)

Some of the comments are interesting imo.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 01:11:39 AM
Another murder in Aruba...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/35418-homber-staca-den-pecho.html

Papiamentu translation:

asesinato at tarabana: man surname camara of 33 year hinca y beat owing to die at hospital

sunday, 14 august 2011 19:03

diadomingo nightfall first cu bahada of sun bisiñanan of pindastraat cu fiyostraat owing to hear gritonan of two man is fight abroad of they cura of cas. according one witness hour the la leave abroad for see kico is pasando owing to come encontra one cabayero throw near of the passenger of one car y one another is huy in forest. the bisiñanan is sospecha of one action for asunto of throw of drugs cual is some comun in the area. police owing to confisca one nisan ex saloon color cora burn. recherche owing to present at the sitio for inicia the investigacion. ambulance owing to transporta the victima cu maximo urgencia for dr horacio oduber hospital. at hospital dokternna owing to work cune but owing to golpinan y hinca at his curpa was demasiado for her can owing to sobrevivi. informacion cu have is tell cu he calling marco camara of 33 year owing to fayece at dr horacio oduber hospital. cuerpo tecnico y recherché is investigando the caso. is buscando testigonan in the caso here.

They've made an arrest in this murder.

http://www.awe24.com/20110819/8229/Hues_comisario_a_prolonga_detencion_di_ali_kai_thielman_relaciona_cu_e

judge comisario owing to prolonga detencion of ali kai thielman relaciona cu the asesinato at tarabana

12 hora happen come across, 19 of august 2011 11:59

diabierna morning owing to present fast of judge comisario the sospechoso ali kai thielman, after of owing to revisa the documentonan of the investigacion, not owing to stay nothing another for prolonga the detencion of ali kai because; sospechoso of the asesinato at tarabana week happen.



From an older case, no date on the article...

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=142:bringamento-dilanti-corte-relaciona-cu-caso-tiramento-di-gang-di-dakota&catid=8:corte&Itemid=7

 ::snipping2::

in sitting-room of corte all the sospechosonan envolvi in one or another as in the casonan of tiramento (shooting) at havanna, eagle beach y bouwmaatschappij (construction company) y also sospecha of is form part of one organizacion cu intension of comete crimen was present. the sospechosonan ta: derrick dania, herman cabrera, alfred williams, nigel williams, ali kai thielman. come across.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 01:16:08 AM
Popular party site...

http://www.awe24.com/20110818/8225/Alarma_pa_mucha_muher_cu_lo_a_overdose_riba_Tanki_di_Alto_Vista

Papiamentu translation:

alarma for child muher cu will owing to overdose on tanki of alto vista

1 day happen come across, 18 of august 2011 12:07

diahuebs afternoon owing to enter informe of cu on the hill of the tanki of alto vista will have one child muher cu will owing to overdose, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol y ambulance they owing to compronde cu already end the child muher owing to being take away cu car particular.

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8225/1_1313708700.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 01:23:19 AM
The prisoners that escaped from KIA.

http://www.awe24.com/20110818/8221/2_detenido_a_huy_for_di_KIA_ta_trata_aki_di_Edmond_Lo-A-Njoe_y_Ulgino_Gonzalez

Papiamentu translation:

2 detenido owing to huy (escape) for of kia is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe y ulgino gonzalez

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8221/1_1313677391.jpg)

1 day happen come across, 18 of august 2011 9:27

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe cu 2 detenido owing to huy for of kia, is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe naci at aruba 27 okt 1987 y also ulgino "gino" gonzales naci at curacao 9 okt 1987. they're being considera dangerous y they can is arm, they're acolyte of santa cruz soldiers. apparently they will owing to let behind one informe cu they will bay likida one police. edmond lo-a-njoe is pelon, much tattoo at his curpa, 1,80m, much dangerous. ulgino gonzalez also is pelon, color bruin cla, 1,75m, eye cla much dangerous.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 02:20:57 AM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carla-Baron/130633511328?sk=wal

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08192011_CarlaBaron_RobynGardner_NataleeHolloway.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 05:02:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 11:20:02 AM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


HILL: ... But Beth -- first, what went through your gut when you heard about this case?

BETH HOLLOWAY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: First of all, I know the challenges that the family will face navigating foreign law. In Aruba in particular, I mean it was very difficult for me to communicate with them, to get information and have them act in an expeditious manner in handling the case with professionalism. So I was concerned.

HILL: Should a family -- I mean as soon as something like this happens, would you counsel a family, get down there immediately --

HOLLOWAY: I don`t really encourage them -- I really that is a move that I would personally want to make. But some just aren`t able to do that. And so the main thing I think I can guide them is getting them connected immediately to the right resources and getting those resources to work for them. That is what is key.

HILL: And that is what the Natalee Holloway Resource Center does is help families find those resources.

HOLLOWAY: Yes, absolutely.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 11:26:25 AM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: The Aruban authorities continue investigating.

Beth, when you look at the steps that had been taken. They`ve stopped him. I mean he went passed the Aruban -- sort of arm of law and they were able to bring him back in. Do you get a sense that perhaps they`re doing a better job?

HOLLOWAY: I do. I`m still guarded though and I do hope they prove me wrong and show me what Dutch law can really do with a perpetrator on their island. I am very encouraged so far. So I just want to -- just see how this proceeds.

HILL: And I think that a lot of us as we watched the tragedy that you went through unfold, a lot of us kind of had a lesson. We were watching as -- you were frustrated in attempts to get things done. And it`s just not the way things normally happen here. Is it wise for families to try to get their own perhaps investigators or experts to a location?

HOLLOWAY: I think the key is getting someone who can represent the family.  A liaison, a victim`s liaison, someone whether it`s the law enforcement, an attorney that can communicate with the foreign law enforcement. Because they don`t want to confide and speak with -- you know, speak everything with the family. And I understand that, especially with the mother or the father. But you know, you are in a very emotional state.

HILL: Is it best if it`s a person from that particular country?

HOLLOWAY: No, I think it`s good for someone from the victim`s homeland to be able to communicate with the foreign official and then update the family. I think it just -- because when communication breaks down or shuts down and you are already dealing with a language barrier that leads you to be just more frustrated and more frightened and less feeling that something is really being done --

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: ... I`d like to -- to have you sort of fill us in on one of the cases that the resource center is focused on as well. And it`s this -- Don Nicholas, a Charlotte man who went missing while he was out surfing in Fiji. What happened there?

<snipped>

Beth, how does -- how does your resource center help people like that? The families of folks who are missing.

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY RESOURCE CENTER: Well, twofold. The resource center, it`s -- we want to focus on crime prevention. I mean that`s our primary goal but should tragedy strike, our biggest asset in helping these families is -- is the press releases and getting the media engagement for the families. Because that`s so important in getting soliciting the eyewitness accounts, tips that are coming in. And with this family, like I said, they are just really looking to raise awareness of Don`s disappearance in hopes that someone may have seen something.

HILL: How difficult is it when you`re dealing with a foreign country? You know it`s not -- it didn`t happen in the States. It`s a completely different judicial system, police system, investigative system. How do you deal with that?

HOLLOWAY: It is. And the nature of the beast is -- when -- when these calls come in from the families who have a love one go missing in a foreign country -- it`s -- there are three questions? What can the embassy provide to me and what can they not provide. And the second is police information, government contacts and even getting their own U.S. information, their own U.S. resources and then getting those resources to work for your missing loved one.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 12:19:19 PM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HOLLOWAY: What I`ll recommend to the families when you have a loved one suddenly go missing, have a command center. Whether it`s a church, whether it`s a community center, someone`s home; so you can kind of have some continuity and a good flow and channel of information for law enforcement to come to, for searchers to come to and for tips to be funneled from. So, you know, I think that --

HILL: So setting up these Web sites is a good idea.

HOLLOWAY: Absolutely it is. Absolutely.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 12:28:17 PM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: ... The thing is, so many of these cases, and correct me if I`m wrong, so many of them seem to be revolving around bars and drinking and walking some place by yourself.   

HOLLOWAY: You are exactly right. And it`s late at night. I mean it`s that same mode of operation. That same outcome which is not good. Last seen leaving a establishment, alone, walking at night, 12:30 a.m. or 1:30 a.m. and the outcome is never good.

HILL: What would you counsel -- if moms and dads are going to get the chance to talk to their kids right now and say, here is what I want to you do. Clearly you can`t hold their hand every place they go. Is it call when you leave some place? You know, always make sure that somebody knows where you are going and who you are with and what the time line is?

HOLLOWAY: They spend a lot of time in planning and texting, where they`re going, who they are going with, what they`re wearing. All I ask them when I speak these kids is put as much time in how you will end your outing. As you do when deciding in where you`re going and who you`re going with. Just have a plan of exit.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 12:41:23 PM
TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

The Goal of Education

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

+++++

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 01:50:29 PM
Explicit pictures’ of Gardner on Giordano’s camera       
Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:14


<snipped>
 
He (Solicitor General Taco Stein) does confirm one person from the FBI, who is normally stationed in Barbados, is on the island. According to the OM, he coordinates the legal aid requests from Aruba to the United States. Stein does not expect more FIB-officers will come to the island. He states there are sufficient ‘extremely capable people’ in the Kingdom who can assist with the investigation. For example, he names a team with tracking dogs from the KLPD (Corps National Police Services) in The Netherlands that is ‘worldwide renown’ and on request could be deployed in tracing the body.

<snipped?

http://www.amigoe.com/english/81172-explicit-pictures-of-gardner-on-giordanos-camera

++++++


Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute


No Invitation Extended

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kermit/jen3560 - Scared Monkeys





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 02:53:53 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/08/19/behar.holloway.missing.hln

Beth Holloway on missing Aruba woman
Joy Behar|Added on August 19, 2011

Beth Holloway, Natalee Holloway's mother, speaks out on the latest case of a missing woman in Aruba.

The Joy Behar Show - HLN - CNN.com Blogs


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 03:45:15 PM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: ... The thing is, so many of these cases, and correct me if I`m wrong, so many of them seem to be revolving around bars and drinking and walking some place by yourself.   

HOLLOWAY: You are exactly right. And it`s late at night. I mean it`s that same mode of operation. That same outcome which is not good. Last seen leaving a establishment, alone, walking at night, 12:30 a.m. or 1:30 a.m. and the outcome is never good.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html


JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: ... I know that -- that used to be the case and almost all instances of -- of murder that it was -- you look at the persons who were the closest to that -- to that victim and you usually find the one responsible. But now there seems to be more random crime.

HOLLOWAY: Well, you`re exactly right. There are more random crimes but I still think if you go back to the basics, and when you`re -- when you begin you have to -- you have to have a threshold and -- in a lot of cases, you might have a person of interest that -- who was the last person seen with this individual.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: What would you counsel -- if moms and dads are going to get the chance to talk to their kids right now and say, here is what I want to you do. Clearly you can`t hold their hand every place they go. Is it call when you leave some place? You know, always make sure that somebody knows where you are going and who you are with and what the time line is?

HOLLOWAY: They spend a lot of time in planning and texting, where they`re going, who they are going with, what they`re wearing. All I ask them when I speak these kids is put as much time in how you will end your outing. As you do when deciding in where you`re going and who you`re going with. Just have a plan of exit.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Prevention

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 219/220: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  It gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.  I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them to do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It is not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing  not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT

http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT
Natalee Holloway Resource Center


Tips for Robyn Gardner case, call: 407-237-2295

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 08:53:32 PM

Could it be the Gary Giordano had been drugging Robyn Gardner since their arrival on the Island three days earlier ... drugging in a quest for "beyond pornographic" images ... images that Robyn would never consent to?

Could the life insurance policy imply that Gary Giordano planned to murder Robyn Gardner to avoid any backlast from the drugging and the unconsented "beyond pornographic" images?

Could it be that Gary Giordano did not anticipate Aruban authorities challenging his snorkling/drowning story?

Could it be that Gary Giodano and/or Aruban authorities did not anticipate the media to become an issue?  Think about it.  If Robert Forester had not contacted the NHRC would Giodano had caught that plane home to the States and ... the disappearance of Robyn Gardner would have been categorized as an accidental drowning.  Case Closed!

Janet

++++


DR. DREW
Maryland Woman Missing in Aruba
Aired August 10, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, first of all, Richard made the call to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center on August the 8th, which was a great move on his part. We were able to immediately pull together some photos that Richard had given us.

And the biggest asset of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is that we provide is we send out the media release. And as we al know, media is essential in helping to solicit tips and eyewitnesses. So we got that ball rolling through Richard`s efforts.

PINSKY: And Beth, I must say, it has to bring up all of those old feelings, even just seeing what Richard is going through. Have you been in contact with her family?

HOLLOWAY: I have not been in contact with Robyn`s family. And Richard has been communicating with the staff at the Natalee Holloway Resource Center. So we have just been -- I have just been working with the staff there to coordinate.

PINSKY: Has her family been involved with this?

HOLLOWAY: Her family has -- they have not -- no one at the Natalee Holloway Resource Center has spoken to Robyn`s family. I believe the only two people they have spoken to are the cousin and Richard himself.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ddhln.01.html


Missing in Aruba: Investigators Focus on Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


<snipped>

Surveillance video from local businesses place Giordano and Gardner at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of the island before Gardner went missing, a law enforcement source told ABC News. Restaurant staff said that Gardner seemed woozy while the two ate; Giordano later told police they'd been drinking vodka at the Marriott before dining, and that she'd taken sleeping pills earlier in the day, the source said.

<snipped>

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496&page=2


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 08:55:04 PM
NANCY GRACE
Aired August 17, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  ... Now claims emerging Gardner woozy at that lunch, woozy after being given sleeping pills. Who takes sleeping pills before they snorkel? ...

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2011, 09:01:45 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
The Goal of Education

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT

http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2011, 10:46:19 PM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)



Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

+++++

Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
http://helpthemissing.org/

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2011, 02:13:07 AM
The prisoners that escaped from KIA.

http://www.awe24.com/20110818/8221/2_detenido_a_huy_for_di_KIA_ta_trata_aki_di_Edmond_Lo-A-Njoe_y_Ulgino_Gonzalez

Papiamentu translation:

2 detenido owing to huy (escape) for of kia is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe y ulgino gonzalez

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8221/1_1313677391.jpg)

1 day happen come across, 18 of august 2011 9:27

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe cu 2 detenido owing to huy for of kia, is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe naci at aruba 27 okt 1987 y also ulgino "gino" gonzales naci at curacao 9 okt 1987. they're being considera dangerous y they can is arm, they're acolyte of santa cruz soldiers. apparently they will owing to let behind one informe cu they will bay likida one police. edmond lo-a-njoe is pelon, much tattoo at his curpa, 1,80m, much dangerous. ulgino gonzalez also is pelon, color bruin cla, 1,75m, eye cla much dangerous.

They caught one of them Saturday evening...

http://www.awe24.com/20110820/8245/Buskeda_grandi_pa_e_fugitivo_tabata_fructifero_y_a_logra_captura_e_fugitivo

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda big for her fugitivo was fructifero y owing to succeed captura the fugitivo edmond lo-a-njoe

7 hora happen come across, 20 of august 2011 18:45

is so cu today, saturday nightfall, for more or less 6 or, the team combina of police, recherche, unidad canino, helicopter of police y team of aresto owing to on account of achieve one tip of gold relaciona cu the fugitivonan. they owing to wordo informa cu probably the fugitivo loe-a-ñoe will is scondi in one cas at first stickhill weg. at the hour menciona the team owing to acerca the cas. algo have to owing to alerta the profugo menciona cu owing to core leave via door behind. in espacio of 15 minut owing to succeed place hand on the these fugitivo menciona. in one buskeda (search) make in the cas (house) menciona owing to come achieve municion of arm of candela, bullet proof vest, cloths camouflage, etc. the team also owing to detene one person more relaciona cu the investigacion cu is wordo sospecha of owing to give yudansa at the fugitivo loe-a-ñoe. so cu have more informacion we will bring this

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8245/2_1313883089.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2011, 03:29:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2011, 11:12:38 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Robyn-Gardner-latest-New-witness-delayed-search/ySXn08_AXEm_iLWUjq9CkQ.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Robyn-Gardner-latest-New-witness-delayed-search/ySXn08_AXEm_iLWUjq9CkQ.cspx)

 ::snipping2::

A man who was fishing on the beach says Gardner and her companion Gary Giordano left the beach without going in the water.  The witness says the two drove off and didn't return to the beach.

Giordano claims he and Gardner were snorkeling and she disappeared in the water.   Giordano is being held as a suspect in her disappearance. 

Among the reasons he is being held is an insurance policy he purchased on Gardner, that he tried to collect on after her disappearance.   Giordano, who purchased the accidental policy shortly before travelling to the Dutch Caribbean island with the 35-year-old, tried to begin redeeming the American Express policy, which he took out just days before their trip and unusually only covered the trip to Aruba.
According to a police source, Giordano purchased a more expensive one-year policy instead of a more commonly purchased five year policy.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
Missing in Aruba … Case Just Got More Bizarre, Gary Giordano Took Out $1.5 million Policy out on Robyn Gardner before Trip to Aruba & Pornographic Pics

Posted August 19, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/19/missing-in-aruba-case-just-got-more-bizzare-gary-giordano-took-out-1-5-million-policy-out-on-robyn-gardner-before-trip-to-aruba-pornagraphic-pics/#comments

12.  A Texas Grandfather on August 20th, 2011 5:00 pm
 
This case is beginning to look like a planned way to collect the insurance proceeds. The suspect hires a woman that is more than likley a high class prostitute who will travel with a client.

He takes her to Aruba where he figures he can get away with a murder without prosecution. He buys an insuranc policy for travel on her life, enjoys a few days of her services and then either sells her or kills her and hides the body. ...


+++++

Robyn Gardner missing: FBI searches Gaithersburg house of Gary Giordano
August 12, 2011 - 02:13 pm


<snipped>
 
Giordano and Gardner, who is from Frederick, Maryland, arrived in Aruba on July 31 and stayed in the same room at a Marriott hotel.

<snipped>

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-missing-aruba-authorities-believe-gardner-dead-65060_page2.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2011, 12:22:10 PM

Could it be that Gary Giordano did not anticipate Aruban authorities challenging his snorkling/drowning story?

Could it be that Gary Giodano and/or Aruban authorities did not anticipate the media to become an issue?

Think about it.  If Richard Forester had not contacted the NHRC would Gary Giodano had caught that plane home to the States and ... the disappearance of Robyn Gardner would have been categorized as an accidental drowning.  Case Closed!

++++

DR. DREW
Maryland Woman Missing in Aruba
Aired August 10, 2011 - 21:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, first of all, Richard made the call to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center on August the 8th, which was a great move on his part. We were able to immediately pull together some photos that Richard had given us.

And the biggest asset of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is that we provide is we send out the media release. And as we al know, media is essential in helping to solicit tips and eyewitnesses. So we got that ball rolling through Richard`s efforts.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ddhln.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2011, 01:12:22 PM
(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-15.jpg)
Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 21, 2011, 01:25:08 PM
(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-15.jpg)
Natalee

Thank you, Kermit.  I don't remember seeing this picture before.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2011, 01:50:39 PM
 
Police Reveal 'Bloody Handprint' Evidence In Aruba Mystery Disappearance Doesn't Exist
Posted on Aug 21, 2011 @ 06:00AM


A purported key piece evidence in the mysterious disappearance of missing American woman Robyn Gardner doesn't exist, police have revealed.

Blood was reportedly found on a rock near the restaurant not far from where Gardner and her traveling companion Gary Giordano were last seen together.

PHOTOS: Richard Forester And Robyn Gardner

But Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said in an interview Saturday night: "The detail about the hand print and blood is not true."

"That is not something that we have found," the Solicitor General said, adding: "Let me put that to rest as that only hinders the investigation."

Speaking to Judge Jeanine Pirro on Fox News' Justice with Judge Jeanine, Stein also shed new light on the graphic photographs that authorities found on Giordano's camera, showing the missing Maryland woman in various sexual positions.

"I'm told there is no sign of duress at all (in the images)," General Stein told Judge Pirro.

One law enforcement source had described the images as "beyond pornographic," though General Stein stopped short of that description.

He said, "Those photos were explicit. That's all I have said and that is all I am going to say. I have not seen the pictures myself."

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/08/robyn-gardner-aruba-disappearance-no-bloody-handprint-evidence


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2011, 01:51:08 PM
(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-15.jpg)
Natalee

Ribbit!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2011, 04:17:41 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Robyn-Gardner-latest-New-witness-delayed-search/ySXn08_AXEm_iLWUjq9CkQ.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Robyn-Gardner-latest-New-witness-delayed-search/ySXn08_AXEm_iLWUjq9CkQ.cspx)

 ::snipping2::

A man who was fishing on the beach says Gardner and her companion Gary Giordano left the beach without going in the water.  The witness says the two drove off and didn't return to the beach.

Giordano claims he and Gardner were snorkeling and she disappeared in the water.   Giordano is being held as a suspect in her disappearance. 

Among the reasons he is being held is an insurance policy he purchased on Gardner, that he tried to collect on after her disappearance.   Giordano, who purchased the accidental policy shortly before travelling to the Dutch Caribbean island with the 35-year-old, tried to begin redeeming the American Express policy, which he took out just days before their trip and unusually only covered the trip to Aruba.
According to a police source, Giordano purchased a more expensive one-year policy instead of a more commonly purchased five year policy.

 ::snipping2::

Considering the "beyond pornographic" images did not indicate illegal wrongdoing  and ... the bloody handprint has been revealed a rumor ... the observation of this witness and ... the existence of the life insurance policy gives me guarded optimism that justice may prevail for Robyn Gardner.

Janet


Then again ... security cameras indicated that Joran, Deepak and Satish lied regarding the last time they were with Natalee Holloway just prior to her disappearance and ... they were never held accountable for any participation regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 120:  Natalee never returned to the Holiday Inn. We had seen the tapes with a room full of police officials.  These two security guards also do not appear on the Holiday Inn security videos that we were shown.  So why these arrests?  Islanders are outraged.  And so are we.  It’s blatant discrimination.

Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.   And we are the last ones to find out.


NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT

Loving Natalee


http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx



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Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2011, 05:00:10 PM
  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.facebook.com/G.B.MOODY?sk=wall

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/275744_584593272_6506642_n.jpg)

Ron Moody

LORD TAKE AWAY MY STRENGTH FROM PUSHING MY BABY MAMA RIGHT OUT THE DAMN TRUCK,THIS IS GONNA BE A LOOOOOOONG ROAD TRIO,,,SHE'S LUCKY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ARUBA!!!

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Post by: MuffyBee on August 21, 2011, 05:19:52 PM
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Post by: grace-land on August 21, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.facebook.com/G.B.MOODY?sk=wall

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/275744_584593272_6506642_n.jpg)

Ron Moody

LORD TAKE AWAY MY STRENGTH FROM PUSHING MY BABY MAMA RIGHT OUT THE DAMN TRUCK,THIS IS GONNA BE A LOOOOOOONG ROAD TRIO,,,SHE'S LUCKY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ARUBA!!!

41 minutes ago via mobile

Texasmom ^^^  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2011, 12:41:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

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and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2011, 12:22:41 AM
People Magazine July 4, 2005

http://www.people.com/people/

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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2011, 02:37:00 AM
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.


Mahatma Gandhi




::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2011, 07:36:28 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/


The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011 – Special Guests: Blink from Blink on Crime, Diane Dimond and Pat Brown Discussing Missing Robyn Gardner in Aruba, the West Memphis 3 and More
 


LISTEN TO THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT LIVE AT 9 PM ET ON SCARED MONKEYS RADIO

Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:

Crime Blogger Blink from Blink on Crime -  She will be discussing the recent developments with the West Memphis 3 and what’s been happening in Aruba in the case of missing American Robyn Gardner and suspect, travel companion Gary Giordano.

Diane Dimond -  discussing the Re Composer Frank Bender and her thoughts on the latest missing persons case Aruba

Pat Brown -  Criminal Profiler provides her thoughts on West Memphis Three decision and the case of missing Robyn Gardner in Aruba.

LISTEN TONIGHT LIVE AT 9PM ET


 ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Red on August 23, 2011, 08:52:34 PM
The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011 – Special Guests: Blink from Blink on Crime, Diane Dimond and Pat Brown Discussing Missing Robyn Gardner in Aruba, the West Memphis 3 and More

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-%e2%80%93-tuesday-august-23rd-2011-%e2%80%93-special-guests-blink-from-blink-on-crime-diane-dimond-and-pat-brown-discussing-missing-robyn-gardner-in-a/

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LISTEN TO THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT LIVE AT 9 PM ET ON SCARED MONKEYS RADIO

Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:

Crime Blogger Blink from Blink on Crime -  She will be discussing the recent developments with the West Memphis 3 and what’s been happening in Aruba in the case of missing American Robyn Gardner and suspect, travel companion Gary Giordano.
Diane Dimond -  discussing the Re Composer Frank Bender and her thoughts on the latest missing persons case Aruba
Pat Brown -  Criminal Profiler provides her thoughts on West Memphis Three decision and the case of missing Robyn Gardner in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2011, 10:31:18 PM
I agree with Blink.

Could it be that Gary Giordano did not anticipate Aruban investigators challenging his snorkling/drowning account of a tourist?

Could it be that Gary Giodano and/or Aruban investigators did not anticipate the media becoming an issue?

Think about it. If Richard Forester had not contacted the NHRC would Giodano had caught that plane home to the States and … the disappearance of Robyn Gardner would have been categorized in Aruban case files as an accidental drowning. In other words ... Case Closed!

++++

DR. DREW
Maryland Woman Missing in Aruba
Aired August 10, 2011 – 21:00 ET


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, first of all, Richard made the call to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center on August the 8th, which was a great move on his part. We were able to immediately pull together some photos that Richard had given us.

And the biggest asset of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is that we provide is we send out the media release. And as we al know, media is essential in helping to solicit tips and eyewitnesses. So we got that ball rolling through Richard`s efforts.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ddhln.01.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
Blink was great!!  She has the gift of articulation.

At this point in time both Beth Holloway and Blink are on the same page.

I also believe that justice just might prevail for Robyn Gardner.  There is no reason to establish a cover up in this case.  Gary Giordona ... the main suspect ... is not the son of the an Aruban/Dutch elite.

Janet

++++

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: The Aruban authorities continue investigating.

Beth, when you look at the steps that had been taken. They`ve stopped him. I mean he went passed the Aruban -- sort of arm of law and they were able to bring him back in. Do you get a sense that perhaps they`re doing a better job?

HOLLOWAY: I do. I`m still guarded though and I do hope they prove me wrong and show me what Dutch law can really do with a perpetrator on their island. I am very encouraged so far. So I just want to -- just see how this proceeds.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Hi Dana

I have missed ya!  I hope you are having a good summer.  The West of our great country is finally being afforded some sunshine.

Thanks to you and your guests.  I don't alway agree but insights are definitely food for thought.  Could the disappearance of Robyn Gardner have been an insurance scam?  Considering Gary Giordona's history in relation to women ... I don't think so but ... until the truth is revealed ... speculation is where it is at.

Janet




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Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2011, 02:24:30 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06192011_BethHollowayFB2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2011, 03:24:44 AM
What a beautiful picture of Beth, TM! Thank you for sharing it. She never ceases to inspire me.


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Post by: Kermit on August 24, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
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Peruvian prisoners dressed as "Brazil" arrive to take part in their own Copa America soccer tournament at Castro-Castro prison in Lima (Source: Reuters Date:07/11/2011)


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more photos here: http://m.ibtimes.com/2011-copa-america-soccer-tournament-prison-peru-argentina-messi-178014.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
Did a text message seal her fate? Robyn Gardner 'killed after suspect read text sent in Aruba telling boyfriend she loved him'
Last updated at 8:03 PM on 24th August 2011


An American woman missing in Aruba was killed after the man she was travelling with read a text she sent to her boyfriend telling him she loved him, it has been reported.

Shocking new details have emerged in the case of Robyn Gardner about the final hours before the 35-year-old dental assistant from Maryland disappeared on August 2.

Police reportedly believe her travelling partner Gary Giordano, who she met on Match.com, brutally killed her after spotting a text she had written to her boyfriend back home, saying: 'I love you'.

<snipped>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029692/Robyn-Gardner-killed-Aruba-Gary-Giordano-read-text-sent-boyfriend.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



The Stephany Flores Case

Van der Sloot Confesses
DUTCHMAN SAYS HE KILLED PERUVIAN WOMAN IN FIT OF RAGE
updated Jun 8, 2010 7:38 AM CDT


Peruvian police have obtained what Aruba couldn't: a murder confession from Joran Van der Sloot in the killing of a young woman. The Dutchman has admitted killing Stephany Flores, 21, in his Lima hotel room, a Peruvian government official tells MSNBC.

Van der Sloot says he broke her neck in a fit of rage when she used his laptop computer without permission and discovered he was involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to reports in the Peruvian media.

"I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," Van der Sloot is quoted as saying.

http://www.newser.com/story/91709/van-der-sloot-confesses.html


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Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=126655627397078

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Post by: Anna on August 24, 2011, 11:15:01 PM
Another murder in Aruba...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/35418-homber-staca-den-pecho.html

Papiamentu translation:

asesinato at tarabana: man surname camara of 33 year hinca y beat owing to die at hospital

sunday, 14 august 2011 19:03

diadomingo nightfall first cu bahada of sun bisiñanan of pindastraat cu fiyostraat owing to hear gritonan of two man is fight abroad of they cura of cas. according one witness hour the la leave abroad for see kico is pasando owing to come encontra one cabayero throw near of the passenger of one car y one another is huy in forest. the bisiñanan is sospecha of one action for asunto of throw of drugs cual is some comun in the area. police owing to confisca one nisan ex saloon color cora burn. recherche owing to present at the sitio for inicia the investigacion. ambulance owing to transporta the victima cu maximo urgencia for dr horacio oduber hospital. at hospital dokternna owing to work cune but owing to golpinan y hinca at his curpa was demasiado for her can owing to sobrevivi. informacion cu have is tell cu he calling marco camara of 33 year owing to fayece at dr horacio oduber hospital. cuerpo tecnico y recherché is investigando the caso. is buscando testigonan in the caso here.

They've made an arrest in this murder.

http://www.awe24.com/20110819/8229/Hues_comisario_a_prolonga_detencion_di_ali_kai_thielman_relaciona_cu_e

judge comisario owing to prolonga detencion of ali kai thielman relaciona cu the asesinato at tarabana

12 hora happen come across, 19 of august 2011 11:59

diabierna morning owing to present fast of judge comisario the sospechoso ali kai thielman, after of owing to revisa the documentonan of the investigacion, not owing to stay nothing another for prolonga the detencion of ali kai because; sospechoso of the asesinato at tarabana week happen.



From an older case, no date on the article...

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=142:bringamento-dilanti-corte-relaciona-cu-caso-tiramento-di-gang-di-dakota&catid=8:corte&Itemid=7

 ::snipping2::

in sitting-room of corte all the sospechosonan envolvi in one or another as in the casonan of tiramento (shooting) at havanna, eagle beach y bouwmaatschappij (construction company) y also sospecha of is form part of one organizacion cu intension of comete crimen was present. the sospechosonan ta: derrick dania, herman cabrera, alfred williams, nigel williams, ali kai thielman. come across.

 ::snipping2::


Yet Travel agents were being told that there had been only one murder in the last 20 years!  Turns out their murder rate is as high or higher than that of this country despite the PR lying.  And regionally, second highest murder rate in the world.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Anna on August 24, 2011, 11:17:52 PM

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/joran-van-der-sloot-free-by-xmas

The prime suspect in the NATALEE HOLLOWAY disappearance, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may be freed from Peruvian prison by Christmas.


It never ends.  And after Casey Anthony, this country is not doing so well in the justice department either.  I am totally disillusioned now.


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Post by: Anna on August 24, 2011, 11:18:58 PM
DJ DIABLO is one person who should never have facial hair.  It just makes him look more obscene.


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Post by: grace-land on August 24, 2011, 11:36:33 PM

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/joran-van-der-sloot-free-by-xmas

The prime suspect in the NATALEE HOLLOWAY disappearance, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may be freed from Peruvian prison by Christmas.


It never ends.  And after Casey Anthony, this country is not doing so well in the justice department either.  I am totally disillusioned now.

There's still hope for justice, Anna.  Check this out--

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-unlikely-be-freed

Joran van der Sloot unlikely to be freed
Published on 18 August 2011 - 9:57pm


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Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 12:16:49 AM
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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2011, 01:22:53 PM
In Natalee's Room

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 1-2:
  It's early morning, and the house is quiet.  I'm still lying in bed, eyes closed.  I don't want to open them, because when I do, I'll have to face the day I've dreaded the most for the past twenty months.  Today I have to pack up Natalee's things for the last time.  Today I will have to say the final good-bye.  And I'm not ready.

Eyes still closed, I hear an occasional car pass in front of the house.  Another one stops across the street, and I hear the car door open, letting music and cheerful muffled voices escape for a moment.  Then close again.  The stillness in the house is interrupted by the harmonious tapping of little paws as Macy the dog and Carl the cat move across the hardwood floors.  Stopping for a moment.  Then tapping again.  The cold morning brings the sounds of life's activities as people step into another day of their routines.

Maybe if I don't open my eyes this day will just pass and I won't have to face what I have to do.  The painful inevitable chore that has been looming over me since my beautiful daughter, Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high school trip to Aruba.  The day has come to take her room apart and box it up.  I have to go through her belongings, which have remained untouched since she left home on May 26, 2005.  The movers will be here day after tomorrow.

Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact.  Not my career.  Not my home.  Not my marriage.  My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years.  My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days.  I have a lot to do.

I manage to swing my legs off the bed and sit up.  Reluctantly, I open my eyes and sit on the edge for a few moments.  I feel like concrete.  Heavy.  Very heavy.  Finally I stand up and slowly walk a half dozen steps or so down the short hall and turn right at Natalee's bedroom doorway ...

Page 16:  I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.

 ::MonkeyTears::


NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT
Loving Natalee

http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx


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Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2011, 01:24:44 PM
(http://mylt.ltcdn.com/movies/sites/mylifetime.com/files/images/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/2010/08/05/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-15.jpg)
Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2011, 08:59:33 PM
Hiya Monkeys!  I don't see tatoos either but if that is her, I wonder where that big black purse is now?

... and dress ... and platform shoes.

Janet



Exactly, Janet!  Where is her phone?  Did they follow her pings or wasn't it set up "for international calling?"   ::MonkeyMad::

YES!!

When Robyn Gardner's communication with Richard Forester is considered ... it appears that there should be a cell phone with the international calling option.

Janet

++++


A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

I Feel Such Regret

Page 31:
  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.  On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell.  I activate Natalee's too.  If she has hers with her, she can call me now.  If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help.  Why didn't we do this before she left?  I feel such regret.

The Goal of Education

Page 208:
  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

+++++

Websites:

Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Facebook:

Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall


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Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 09:20:30 PM
Posted on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/astrid.winterdal?sk=wall

Tornado hits Aruba on the north side, causing damages to church school and a few homes. I thank God that no one got hurt, he must be watching over us! It is very scary, I sympathize with the families who were traumatized and all who endured damages to their homes. I hope they get assistance to rebuild their homes, as well as the church and schools. Thank god! also that there were no children at school when this took place.

45 minutes ago


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Post by: grace-land on August 25, 2011, 09:29:07 PM
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1689407

Aruba: Intense winds damage schools, houses
Associated Press
2011-08-26 05:40 AM 

Authorities in Aruba say severe winds from a passing thunderstorm badly damaged three schools and ripped the roofs off several homes in the southern Caribbean island's northwest. No injuries were reported.
Marck Oduber is a meteorologist with the Dutch island's weather service. He said the damaging winds at daybreak Thursday were from a downburst, or downdraft of wind and rain, during an intense thunderstorm moving from west to east. He ruled out a possible tornado.

Authorities said winds ripped aluminum roofs and shingles off about 10 homes in the district of Noord. Ceilings collapsed at three public schools just after dawn.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 09:53:27 PM
http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/august_26__2011

The Morning News

August 26, 2011  Front Page

 ::snipping2::

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Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/august_26__2011

The Morning News
August 26, 2011  Page 8

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 25, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
Texasmom, thank you for the article and pictures from Aruba.  How frightening for the people in the area of the storm; thank goodness that that there were no deaths or injuries. Sending prayers to them.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
Texasmom, thank you for the article and pictures from Aruba.  How frightening for the people in the area of the storm; thank goodness that that there were no deaths or injuries. Sending prayers to them.  ::MonkeyAngel::


YW grace-land, yes...thank goodness the storm blew through before the children were at school.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
or karma

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83935 (http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83935)


(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6081157901_b57df39a0c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
When I read what happened to the statue...I thought the same.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 11:14:44 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20110825/8286/A_logra_captura_2_hoben_cu_tabata_hortando_tas_y_mas_for_di_turista_na_Eagle

Papiamentu translation:

owing to succeed captura 2 young cu was hortando bag y more for of tourist at eagle beach

8 hora happen come across, 25 of august 2011 14:30

diahuebs nightfall owing to enter informe of cu one ciudadano owing to notice 2 young coriendo bay cu enough velocidad at leg huyendo for of eagle beach y cu 3 another person siguiendo they. at once the ciudadano owing to beat alarma y owing to avisa police of this while ela follow they till behind pizza hut sasaki where eynan they owing to throw one bag in one cura close cu hekki. after of this the hobennan owing to march bay bek direccion pabao just the hour ey police owing to arrive y owing to succeed capturanan y owing to detenenan. in they power police owing to hayanan cu some pertenencia procedente of ladronicia y after owing to succeed achieve the bag cu they owing to throw y sconde in the cura close.

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8286/4_1314312700.jpg)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8286/9_1314312703.jpg)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8286/12_1314312705.jpg)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8286/13_1314312706.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 11:17:48 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20110825/8288/Reportaje_especial_compila_pa_Angel_Coronel_d_e_desastre_cu_un_hoos_a_causa

Video of the storm damage from this morning


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20110825/8284/Na_Alto_Vista_varios_daknan_di_zink_a_bula_bay_y_varios_panchi_a_kibra_of_los

More video and pictures of the storm damage


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2011, 11:37:34 PM
Pictures of the damage of the Santa Anna Church...

http://www.awe24.com/20110825/8280/E_hoos_cu_a_azota_e_pueblo_di_Noord_por_wordo_considera_un_mensaje_directo_na_e

Papiamentu translation:

the hoos cu owing to azota the people of north can wordo considera one mensaje directo at the comunidad norteño

15 hora happen come across, 25 of august 2011 8:12

diahuebs morning early one hoos owing to azota the distrito of north y vecindario if analisa the susedido here can arrive at the conclusion cu here is deal of one mensaje directo for her parish of north. if see the desastre cu this owing to cause incluso the damage form cause at the catholic can conclui esey. look at the imagennan y tell we what you is think.....

Spanish translation of one part...

the Conclusion cu here is deal of one direct message for her parish of north.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2011, 11:45:46 PM
Karma continues to envelope Aruba.................................... I still think the collapse of the Natural Bridge was the most glaring example.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2011, 11:58:42 PM

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


<snipped>

HILL: The Aruban authorities continue investigating.

Beth, when you look at the steps that had been taken. They`ve stopped him. I mean he went passed the Aruban -- sort of arm of law and they were able to bring him back in. Do you get a sense that perhaps they`re doing a better job?

HOLLOWAY: I do. I`m still guarded though and I do hope they prove me wrong and show me what Dutch law can really do with a perpetrator on their island. I am very encouraged so far. So I just want to -- just see how this proceeds.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Could it be that Aruban/Dutch justice will prevail for Robyn Gardner.  After all ... considering Gary Giordano ... unlike Joran van der Sloot ... is not the son of an Aruban/Dutch elite ... an investigative cover up is not an issue.

+++++

THE DOUBLE STANDARD

The Robyn Gardner Case

August 25, 2011 10:28 AM
Aruba officials release last known images of Md. woman Robyn Gardner


CBS/WJZ/AP) ORANJESTAD, Aruba - The Office of the Public Prosecutor of Aruba has released the last known images of Robyn Gardner, the 35-year-old Maryland woman reported missing on the island on Aug. 2, and her detained travel companion Gary Giordano.

According to CBS station WJZ, two pictures of Gardner's back were taken as she left a restaurant on the afternoon she went missing. In one photo, Giordano's back is also visible as they depart the Rum Reef Restaurant. Prosecutors also released a photo of a white Toyota Rav 4 that the two rented on the island.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20097155-504083.html


The Natalee Holloway Case

December 12, 2005
MY CONVERSATION WITH BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY


<snipped>

MICHELLE: One of Joran's and PVDS's alibis was that Joran was picked up at the McDonald's. PVDS originally told you the first night you met him that he picked Joran up at 4:00 a.m., but he later gave a statement that he picked Joran up at 11:00 p.m. Do you know if there are security cameras in the McDonald's parking lot to prove this claim?

BETH: On June 5, we asked officials to check to see if there were security cameras, and to this day, nothing has ever been done. No one has looked into it.

<snipped>

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2005/12/my-conversation-with-beth-holloway.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 12:01:04 AM
http://www.awe24.com/20110825/8280/E_hoos_cu_a_azota_e_pueblo_di_Noord_por_wordo_considera_un_mensaje_directo_na_e

Sacred Heart of Jesus Statue

Someone stood it back up, I think the head may be laying behind it...  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/8280/5_1314283125.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 12:02:50 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/flores1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 12:05:16 AM
Karma continues to envelope Aruba.................................... I still think the collapse of the Natural Bridge was the most glaring example.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::

I saw a picture of the smaller natural bridge on FB and read someone's comments about how amazing it is...it doesn't even come close to the one that collapsed in 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2011, 12:10:48 AM
Karma continues to envelope Aruba.................................... I still think the collapse of the Natural Bridge was the most glaring example.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::

I saw a picture of the smaller natural bridge on FB and read someone's comments about how amazing it is...it doesn't even come close to the one that collapsed in 2005.
I don't remember the "smaller" Natural Bridge -- do you have a pic?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2011, 12:11:35 AM
I do someplace Wreck, I'll look.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2011, 12:14:05 AM
Wreck - this is it.  It's right near the old, much larger natural bridge that collapsed in 2005

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1342/1401503091_436d984441_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2011, 12:25:30 AM
Wreck - this is it.  It's right near the old, much larger natural bridge that collapsed in 2005

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1342/1401503091_436d984441_b.jpg)

LOL -- not quite the same as the "big" one!



...great looking dog though!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 12:41:00 AM
I tried to backtrack to where I saw the pics wreck...I've been many miles since then...didn't find them again.

Thanks for posting yours Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2011, 12:50:54 AM
TM - I just googled it.  Was faster than trying to find on my external drive  ::MonkeyCool::

By the way, that photo came from AnnAngela's Flickr account. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47321934@N00/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47321934@N00/)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 12:58:33 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on August 26, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
What a beautiful picture of Beth, TM! Thank you for sharing it. She never ceases to inspire me.

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
It is suggested in the comments that this case in court could be about Claudius Phillips aka the mighty talent...

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/35968-acusado-cap-a-presente-den-corte-pa-posesion-di-imagenan-sexual-di-menornan.html

Papiamentu translation:

owing to ask castigo of 50 hour of work for comunidad for videonan pornografico childish

friday, 26 august 2011 10:00

diahuebs in corte owing to deal the caso of one acusado cu had imagennan sexual of menornan of edad in his laptop.esakinan owing to wordo descend for of internet. this is one mature castigabel for ley, for cual ministerio publico owing to cuminsa one caso penal contra he here. husticia is take type of casonan so very at earnest, in cuadro of proteccion of we children! the acusado owing to defende his self in corte saying cu the not was at height cu the mature of have the material here can was castigabel for ley y cu is for motibo of curiosidad hour of owing to bay download some video the la come across cu the imagennan here y owing to dicidi of download this. his advocate sr. edwin duijneveld owing to tell cu his cliente have to wordo declara pound of all acusacion because the form con police owing to achieve the evidencia do not legal. so self, fiscal owing to ask one castigo of 2 week condicional y 50 hour of work for comunidad. huez will dicta his sentencia day 15 of september proximo.

comentarionan (7) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for atention_, august 26, 2011
another hour the is play intelligent. now the is happen for ignorante. hour a his cabez soil, berdad come across! +1 come across...

scirbi for rararara, august 26, 2011
claudi as earnest. are you one roll model for her hubentud, do you not have to sinjanan pratica type of maldad they so. +1 come across...

scirbi for rararara, august 26, 2011
not core sconde the artikel mande is abow. everybody they aruba know that is cp. y is that his laptop owing to wordo steal at his cas at wajaca. till cu the ladronnan the entregue at stay today is in feliz memory. +1 come across...

scirbi for celebrity, august 26, 2011
when you good, you good. but whenever you fail, you fail! +1 come across...

scirbi for theundertaker, august 26, 2011
y que pace con poentje? +1 come across...

scirbi for rdmrch@hotmail.com, august 26, 2011
bay "way'é" now! +1 come across...

scirbi for down, august 26, 2011
poentje castro owing to bay será relaciona cu the asunto here. ela lose his life after, misteriosamente............... +1 come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 08:27:40 PM
O/T

James Edward Hogan's wife, Abby has been indicted in Florida.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.msg1464941#msg1464941

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/August/11-crm-1079.html

Department of Justice Press Release
 ::snipping2::
Quote
Florida Woman Charged with Witness Tampering, False Statements and Obstruction of Justice in Relation to Her Husband’s Disappearance


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2011, 08:50:56 PM
HURRICANE KATRINA

The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 184:
The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815: The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurrican Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.


The Open Door

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142:
  Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2011, 09:01:51 PM
Considering Gary Giordano is not the son of an Aruba/Dutch elite ... my sincere prayer is that Aruban/Dutch justice will prevail for Robyn Gardner.

Janet

+++++

The Natalee Holloway Case

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. ....

<snipped>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 09:05:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/82098-32-door-noodweer-getroffen-gezinnen-doen-beroep-op-overheid

Google translation:

32 families affected by storms rely on government         

FRIDAY, AUGUST 26, 2011 10:47

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2011-08-26-770241-350x233.jpg)


The Red Cross has received 70 reports in which about 20 heavily damaged houses or buildings.

ORANGE CITY - Department of Social Affairs (DSZ) has received 32 requests for assistance to affected households. And meanwhile, various insurance claims following the wind shear, most with roof damage. The Red Cross reported this morning that so far they have had 70 reports, of which 20 severely damaged houses and buildings. Also, the subsidiary body nine times approached for medical assistance for mostly scrapes, but also for someone who had been struck by lightning.

The Red Cross is considering a local fundraising to keep the victims, but let it depend on the assessment of damages. Therefore, the aid agency three days time. The entertainment company has announced Zissles in this context also contact the Red Cross to have to participate in such fundraising. Their idea is to start a radio-thon in September to be held on the square in South Beach, where local artists to occur. Education Minister Arthur Dower (ASF) has already stated that the damage to the five affected schools in the area runs into the millions (see page 3).

Inventory

The Minister responsible for Social Affairs, Michelle Winklaar (AVP), yesterday visited the affected homes to see what help is needed and how the government can help. Once that inventory is kept clear of Social Affairs know exactly which things they can replace the expense of other government comes. This should think of basic necessities such as beds and refrigerators. Victims can still log on to this DSZ by calling 582-3145. The Red Cross is calling on people to call 582-2219 during office hours for help, tips on how to prepare for such disasters, but also for support. Thus, the aid agency is urgently looking for twenty mattresses.

"People were very shocked," says Michel La Haye, director of the Red Cross, "especially the eyewitnesses. The storm was very localized and everything shook. They had suffered from tinnitus and were literally shaking in their legs. "Volunteers of the subsidiary body, fifteen in total, are still in the area to support. Yesterday also helped volunteers from Valero and Idefre along with removal of items from the houses broken into containers, which the Red Cross was greatly appreciated. Companies signing up for the placement of windows and chose free or assist in the cleaning. When it appeared that there was a need for sailing above the holes in the roof to close, but both the Red Cross if the government did not have it on, gave the Dutch representative and help reimburse an emergency supply sails. "The next disaster, we quickly than holes, although temporarily, to repair the houses to protect against rain," said La Haye.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/82061-voorlopig-geen-dienst-in-st-anna-kerk

Google translation:

For now no service at St. Anne Church         

FRIDAY, AUGUST 26, 2011 10:08

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2011-08-26-770222-350x523.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - Due to the huge damage to the St. Anne Church in North by the storm yesterday there are temporarily no longer worship place.

Masses, funerals, baptisms, weddings and other special services, which implies that the Catholic community in the North Chapel at Monte Calvario in Tanki Leendert. The church was badly damaged yesterday on the roof, but on the inside from falling roof tiles, glass from the windows and roof lights came on. The nearby parish and the St. Anna School of severely damaged by wind shear. The church committee began immediately after the disaster with all the cleaning and moving items such as church books. The church, left yesterday the temporary pastor already know, is assured.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2011, 09:41:31 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/10424851/___Vermiste_Amerikaanse_gedood___.html?p=2,1

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/08252011_DeTelegraaf.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: grace-land on August 27, 2011, 12:22:01 AM
Justice is coming soon!  ::justice2NJ::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1195706/noticia-crimen-sthefany-flores-fiscalia-pide-30-anos-carcel-van-der-sloot

ElComercio.pe / Lima
Flores Sthefany Case: Prosecutors ask 30 years in prison for Van der Sloot
For the Dutch citizen accused as the murderer of the girl also requested civil damages of S/.200 thousand

Friday August 26, 2011 - 06:30 pm

The Ninth Specialized Criminal Prosecutor's Office Jail Inmate indicted in Joran van der Sloot on charges of simple murder and theft against the young Sthefany Flores, who was found dead on June 2 last year and asked for him 30 years in prison.

Attorney Miriam Riveros further determined that the Dutch citizen to pay a civil compensation of 200 thousand dollars. It also found that there are conditions to start the trial.

Other complaints are Peruvian citizens Aparcana Pisconte John William, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Parapet, who drove the vehicles in which Van der Sloot fled the country bound for Chile, where he was captured.

They are charged with crimes against the administration of justice and cover-judicial function by staff against the State, so it has called for his imprisonment for five years, plus the individual pay 5 thousand suns in damages.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2011, 12:23:14 AM
They ask for 30 years in prison for Joran Van Der Sloot
Fri, 26/08/2011 - 19:05

The Ninth Special Prosecutor's Office Criminal Defendants in jail requested a 30-year term of imprisonment against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot for crimes against life and health body (murder) and against property (theft simple) to the detriment of Stephany Flowers (21) .

After a review of the evidence in the case of the murder of the young Peruvian , the prosecution also requested to impose the payment of civil damages of 200 000 soles for the legal heirs of the victim.

This conclusion came top criminal prosecutor Miriam Riveros Castellares Zully, who determined that there is merit to the case proceed to trial. Stephany Flores was found dead on June 2 last year in a room at the hotel in Miraflores Tac .

They were also reported Aparcana Pisconte John William, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Pretil who were drivers of vehicles used by Van Der Sloot to leak to Chile.

They are blamed for crime against justice, against the judicial function for staff cover. The prosecutor asked for them five years in prison and payment of each of 5 000 soles for the state.

http://www.larepublica.pe/26-08-2011/piden-30-anos-de-prision-para-joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 12:32:18 AM
They ask for 30 years in prison for Joran Van Der Sloot
Fri, 26/08/2011 - 19:05

The Ninth Special Prosecutor's Office Criminal Defendants in jail requested a 30-year term of imprisonment against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot for crimes against life and health body (murder) and against property (theft simple) to the detriment of Stephany Flowers (21) .

After a review of the evidence in the case of the murder of the young Peruvian , the prosecution also requested to impose the payment of civil damages of 200 000 soles for the legal heirs of the victim.

This conclusion came top criminal prosecutor Miriam Riveros Castellares Zully, who determined that there is merit to the case proceed to trial. Stephany Flores was found dead on June 2 last year in a room at the hotel in Miraflores Tac .

They were also reported Aparcana Pisconte John William, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Pretil who were drivers of vehicles used by Van Der Sloot to leak to Chile.

They are blamed for crime against justice, against the judicial function for staff cover. The prosecutor asked for them five years in prison and payment of each of 5 000 soles for the state.

http://www.larepublica.pe/26-08-2011/piden-30-anos-de-prision-para-joran-van-der-sloot

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 12:44:16 AM
A Midnight Express Prison

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2011, 12:46:10 AM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


So much for his release! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 12:57:26 AM
Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2011 -- Updated 2200 GMT (0600 HKT


(CNN) -- The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.

Van der Sloot faces charges in the May 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his Lima hotel room. Police say van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested a few days later.

Investigators delivered their case file to prosecutors in June for a decision on charges. Ricardo Flores said the prosecutor in the case, Miriam Riveros Castellares, is "not moving with the speed that a case of this magnitude merits."

"We're asking that either the prosecutor file charges or that authorities remove her from this case and name somebody else," he said.

There was no immediate response to the family's concerns from the prosecutor's office.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/17/peru.van.der.sloot/


Stephany Flores' father must be relieved.
 
Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 27, 2011, 07:33:34 AM
They ask for 30 years in prison for Joran Van Der Sloot
Fri, 26/08/2011 - 19:05

The Ninth Special Prosecutor's Office Criminal Defendants in jail requested a 30-year term of imprisonment against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot for crimes against life and health body (murder) and against property (theft simple) to the detriment of Stephany Flowers (21) .

After a review of the evidence in the case of the murder of the young Peruvian , the prosecution also requested to impose the payment of civil damages of 200 000 soles for the legal heirs of the victim.

This conclusion came top criminal prosecutor Miriam Riveros Castellares Zully, who determined that there is merit to the case proceed to trial. Stephany Flores was found dead on June 2 last year in a room at the hotel in Miraflores Tac .

They were also reported Aparcana Pisconte John William, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Pretil who were drivers of vehicles used by Van Der Sloot to leak to Chile.

They are blamed for crime against justice, against the judicial function for staff cover. The prosecutor asked for them five years in prison and payment of each of 5 000 soles for the state.

http://www.larepublica.pe/26-08-2011/piden-30-anos-de-prision-para-joran-van-der-sloot

Heck yeah!  A thirty year sentence for Joran Van Der Sloot would be a good start toward justice for Stephany.   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2011, 09:30:39 AM
http://www.brecorder.com/world/south-america/25664-van-der-sloot-faces-30-years-in-prison-for-peru-murder-.html (http://www.brecorder.com/world/south-america/25664-van-der-sloot-faces-30-years-in-prison-for-peru-murder-.html)

Van der Sloot faces 30 years in prison for Peru murder

Saturday, 27 August 2011 09:18

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba, faces up to 30 years in prison for the 2010 murder of Stephany Flores in Peru, the prosecution said Friday.

The 24-year-old Van der Sloot has been in Peruvian jail for 15 months and has been charged with the murder of 21-year-old Flores in a Lima hotel. The Dutch native also remains the main suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared in Aruba in 2005.

The prosecutor Miriam Rivero filed charges Friday for the "murder and rape of young Stephany Flores," the daughter of a well-known businessman in Lima. Flores was found dead in Van der Sloot's hotel room in May 2010, hours after meeting him in a casino.

The charges also call for a fine of 200,000 sol ($73,000).

Rivero will also ask for five years in prison for three Peruvians, the chauffeurs who drove Van der Sloot in his effort to flee to Chile, 48 hours after the murder.
 ::snipping2::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
Justice is coming soon!  ::justice2NJ::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1195706/noticia-crimen-sthefany-flores-fiscalia-pide-30-anos-carcel-van-der-sloot

ElComercio.pe / Lima
Flores Sthefany Case: Prosecutors ask 30 years in prison for Van der Sloot
For the Dutch citizen accused as the murderer of the girl also requested civil damages of S/.200 thousand

Friday August 26, 2011 - 06:30 pm

The Ninth Specialized Criminal Prosecutor's Office Jail Inmate indicted in Joran van der Sloot on charges of simple murder and theft against the young Sthefany Flores, who was found dead on June 2 last year and asked for him 30 years in prison.

Attorney Miriam Riveros further determined that the Dutch citizen to pay a civil compensation of 200 thousand dollars. It also found that there are conditions to start the trial.

Other complaints are Peruvian citizens Aparcana Pisconte John William, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Parapet, who drove the vehicles in which Van der Sloot fled the country bound for Chile, where he was captured.

They are charged with crimes against the administration of justice and cover-judicial function by staff against the State, so it has called for his imprisonment for five years, plus the individual pay 5 thousand suns in damages.


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 09:55:33 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/om-eist-30-jaar-cel-tegen-joran-van-der-sloot/

Google translation:

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/joran-van-der-sloot-545x306.jpg)


Saturday, August 27, 2011, 11:50

News


FOR 30 years requires cell against Van der Sloot

Peter: "Predict minimum sentence of fifteen years'


(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/stephany-flores2.jpg)
Stephany Flores

The Peruvian prosecutor has demanded 30 years imprisonment against Joran van der Sloot. Reported that the Public Prosecutor. It also demands a compensation of 50,000 euros that the Dutch suspect must pay to the parents of the murdered Stephany Flores.

overwhelming evidence

Peter twittered Saturday morning on the requirement: "It is in line with expectations. All speculation about a sentence of five years and even release his nonsense. Joran's attorney made ​​it appear he had won case ... a hoot! The evidence is overwhelming. Joran is fixed and remains fixed. The last word on the right, but I predict that Joran at least fifteen years to truly sit down. "

It is still unclear when the trial against Van der Sloot begins. The prosecution has the indictment and the sentence demanded written down and handed to the court. Determines at a later time when Van der Sloot is tried.

Joran is suspected Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010 in her hotel room to have slain. Since June last year, the Dutchman will stay in the maximum security Castro Castro prison in Lima.

marijke Kuin
Editors Peter R. de Vries

Last Updated: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 24:19 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 10:06:10 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/peterrdev (http://twitter.com/#!/peterrdev)
(Hyperlinked MB)

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/08272011_PeterRdeVriesTwitter.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 10:09:26 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2011, 11:46:15 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/peterrdev (http://twitter.com/#!/peterrdev)
(Hyperlinked MB)

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/08272011_PeterRdeVriesTwitter.jpg)


Love that Peter R.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 01:15:31 PM
Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2011 -- Updated 2200 GMT (0600 HKT


(CNN) -- The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.

Van der Sloot faces charges in the May 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his Lima hotel room. Police say van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested a few days later.

Investigators delivered their case file to prosecutors in June for a decision on charges. Ricardo Flores said the prosecutor in the case, Miriam Riveros Castellares, is "not moving with the speed that a case of this magnitude merits."

"We're asking that either the prosecutor file charges or that authorities remove her from this case and name somebody else," he said.

There was no immediate response to the family's concerns from the prosecutor's office.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/17/peru.van.der.sloot/


According to Stephany Flores' father ... the trial has to begin within 18 months of detainment or Joran van der Sloot walks.  The implication is that the prosecution of Joran in a Peruvian court will happen within the next two months.

Janet

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Peru seeks 30-year jail term against Joran van der SlootPublished on 27 August 2011 - 6:36pm
Published on 27 August 2011 - 6:36pm


The Peruvian Public Prosecutors’ Office has told Dutch news agency ANP it will seek a 30-year jail sentence against Dutchman Joran van der Sloot. He is accused of killing Peruvian Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel room on 30 May 2010.

The public prosecutor has rejected Van der Sloot’s defence that he acted from a ‘violent emotion’. His lawyers had tried to persuade the public prosecutor to charge their client with manslaughter, which in Peru carries a jail sentence of between 6 and 20 years.

The public prosecutor will ask the court to order the Dutch suspect to pay damages to the amount of 200.000 Peruvian soles, about 50,000 euros.

It is not yet clear when the trial of Joran van der Sloot will start. the Public Prosecutors Office has submitted to the court the indictment and the jail term it seeks. The trial date is to be set by the court at a later time.

Joran van der Sloot was arrested on 3 June 2010 in Chile near the coastal resort of Viña del Mar. He was handed over to the Peruvian authorities two days later. He has been in custody at the Castro Castro prison since 11 June 2010.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-seeks-30-year-jail-term-against-joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 01:41:03 PM
http://www.facebook.com/evelynwevercroes?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/08272011_ArubaEarthquake.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
Thank you for fixing my twitter link MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
Van der Sloot looking at 30 years
August 27, 2011


Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Recent speculation that inaction by prosecutors in Peru could result in Joran van der Sloot's release from prison took a step back with filing of charges in Lima.  Still to come, the setting of a trial date.  A suspect must be tried within eighteen months or released on remand under Peruvian law.

Joran van der Sloot is facing 30 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores.  Van der Sloot is best known here in Alabama as the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba.

<snipped>

And there's a Natalee thread to his problems in Peru.

Van der Sloot met 21 year old Stephany Flores at a casino in Lima.  Hotel security cameras document the two of them going into his hotel room.  Stephany's corpse was found in that hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.

Van der Sloot fled to neighboring Chile but was arrested and brought back to Peru where he's spent the last fifteen months awaiting trial. 

He is claiming he killed Flores in a fit of rage after she found material relating to Natalee on his laptop.

Peruvian authorities say the real reason for the killing was robbery and that an examination of the laptop shows Stephany was killed well after the Holloway-related material was accessed.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-looking-at-30-years/Lzvpiriv402NkH7b49Qh8w.cspx




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
Murder of Stephany Flores in Peru: Joran Van der Sloot Lying Again … Laptop Study Shows that Searches on Natalee Holloway Much Earlier in the Day

<snipped>

Stephany Flores did not view any such information on the laptop after accompanying Van derSloot to the Lima hotel room where she was killed on May 30, the technology chief of Peru’s police, Col. Oscar Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

“She didn’t view anything about Holloway. It’s a lie that she tried to ask him about (the case),” Gonzales said.

<snipped>

The detectives also found that Flores did not search for information on Natalee Holloway immediately before the murder, as Van der Sloot claims. The laptop was used to search for details of the Holloway case, but much earlier in the day, Dutch website Crimesite reports. Van der Sloot says he killed Flores in a fury when he saw she was reading about his alleged

Posted March 26, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/03/26/murder-of-stephany-flores-in-peru-joran-van-der-sloot-lying-again-laptop-study-shows-that-searches-on-natalee-holloway-much-earlier-in-the-day/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 03:45:52 PM
March 28, 2011 11:55 AM
Joran van der Sloot Laptop Lie? Peru police say computer exposes lie in Stephany Flores killing


CBS/AP) LIMA, Peru - A study of Joran van der Sloot's laptop shows he is lying when he says he killed a young Peruvian woman in a fit of rage after she discovered his connection to Natalee Holloway's disappearance while using the computer, a senior Peruvian police official said Friday.

Stephany Flores did not view any such information on the laptop after accompanying Van der Sloot to the Lima hotel room where she was killed on May 30, the technology chief of Peru's police, Col. Oscar Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

"She didn't view anything about Holloway. It's a lie that she tried to ask him about (the case)," Gonzales said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20047862-504083.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 04:08:34 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-seeks-30-year-jail-term-against-joran-van-der-sloot

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/08272011_RNW_Joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 04:26:14 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-looking-at-30-years/Lzvpiriv402NkH7b49Qh8w.cspx


Van der Sloot looking at 30 years
   
Print Story Published: 12:27 pm Share Updated: 12:48 pm   

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Recent speculation that inaction by prosecutors in Peru could result in Joran van der Sloot's release from prison took a step back with filing of charges in Lima.  Still to come, the setting of a trial date.  A suspect must be tried within eighteen months or released on remand under Peruvian law.

Joran van der Sloot is facing 30 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores.  Van der Sloot is best known here in Alabama as the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba.

Natalee was last seen leaving an Oranjestad bar with van der Sloot.  He was questioned repeatedly by Aruban authorities but never charged.  He is still considered the prime suspect in the case.

And there's a Natalee thread to his problems in Peru.

Van der Sloot met 21 year old Stephany Flores at a casino in Lima.  Hotel security cameras document the two of them going into his hotel room.  Stephany's corpse was found in that hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance.

Van der Sloot fled to neighboring Chile but was arrested and brought back to Peru where he's spent the last fifteen months awaiting trial. 

He is claiming he killed Flores in a fit of rage after she found material relating to Natalee on his laptop.

Peruvian authorities say the real reason for the killing was robbery and that an examination of the laptop shows Stephany was killed well after the Holloway-related material was accessed.

The Peruvian Public Prosecutors’ Office says it will seek a 30-year jail sentence for  van der Sloot. Prosecutor Miriam Rivero filed charges Friday for the "murder and rape of young Stephany Flores," the daughter of a well-known businessman in Lima.

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Stephany's body wasn't found on the fifth anniversary of Natalee's disappearance, she was murdered on the fifth anniversary and left in that hotel room while Joran attempted to escape; her badly decomposing body was found on June 2, 2010.

I don't believe Joran is being charged with "rape", although I've read that in a few articles.  I believe he is being charged with murder and robbery.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
http://noticias.latam.msn.com/pe/peru/articulo_afp.aspx?cp-documentid=30299115

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/08272011_Joranaa.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2011, 04:44:34 PM
Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, speaks at morning news conference on center named for daughter
Published: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 10:36 AM
Updated: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 12:03 PM


WASHINGTON -- Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, spoke briefly at a news conference in downtown Washington this morning to discuss the opening of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help the families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway spoke for less than two minutes and did not take questions.

"I feel confident it will serve as a point of light for all missing persons." Beth Holloway said this morning of the center.

The opening of the center today comes after Joran van der Sloot's recent arrest in the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru. The Dutch man has since confessed, according to the Associated Press. Van der Sloot has been the prime suspect in Holloway's 2005 disappearance.

"Let's keep the Flores family in our hearts and prayers," Beth Holloway said in her only comments on the Peru case.

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/natalee_holloways_mother_beth_3.html

Video:http://www.zimbio.com/watch/kwI33GyBgWl/New+Video+Mother+Missing+Woman+Natalee+Holloway/Beth+Holloway

++++++


Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
http://helpthemissing.org/

Loving Natalee
http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2011, 04:44:55 PM
The translated title kind of gives the wrong impression (Stephany wasn't a Dutch woman) but at  least the article plainly states otherwise.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 27, 2011, 04:48:40 PM
The translated title kind of gives the wrong impression (Stephany wasn't a Dutch woman) but at  least the article plainly states otherwise.



Thank you texasmom.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 01:56:20 AM
It is suggested in the comments that this case in court could be about Claudius Phillips aka the mighty talent...

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/35968-acusado-cap-a-presente-den-corte-pa-posesion-di-imagenan-sexual-di-menornan.html

Papiamentu translation:

owing to ask castigo of 50 hour of work for comunidad for videonan pornografico childish

friday, 26 august 2011 10:00

diahuebs in corte owing to deal the caso of one acusado cu had imagennan sexual of menornan of edad in his laptop.esakinan owing to wordo descend for of internet. this is one mature castigabel for ley, for cual ministerio publico owing to cuminsa one caso penal contra he here. husticia is take type of casonan so very at earnest, in cuadro of proteccion of we children! the acusado owing to defende his self in corte saying cu the not was at height cu the mature of have the material here can was castigabel for ley y cu is for motibo of curiosidad hour of owing to bay download some video the la come across cu the imagennan here y owing to dicidi of download this. his advocate sr. edwin duijneveld owing to tell cu his cliente have to wordo declara pound of all acusacion because the form con police owing to achieve the evidencia do not legal. so self, fiscal owing to ask one castigo of 2 week condicional y 50 hour of work for comunidad. huez will dicta his sentencia day 15 of september proximo.

comentarionan (7) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for atention_, august 26, 2011
another hour the is play intelligent. now the is happen for ignorante. hour a his cabez soil, berdad come across! +1 come across...

scirbi for rararara, august 26, 2011
claudi as earnest. are you one roll model for her hubentud, do you not have to sinjanan pratica type of maldad they so. +1 come across...

scirbi for rararara, august 26, 2011
not core sconde the artikel mande is abow. everybody they aruba know that is cp. y is that his laptop owing to wordo steal at his cas at wajaca. till cu the ladronnan the entregue at stay today is in feliz memory. +1 come across...

scirbi for celebrity, august 26, 2011
when you good, you good. but whenever you fail, you fail! +1 come across...

scirbi for theundertaker, august 26, 2011
y que pace con poentje? +1 come across...

scirbi for rdmrch@hotmail.com, august 26, 2011
bay "way'é" now! +1 come across...

scirbi for down, august 26, 2011
poentje castro owing to bay será relaciona cu the asunto here. ela lose his life after, misteriosamente............... +1 come across

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/82190-eis-voorwaardelijke-straf-voor-claudius-philips

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/08272011_ClaudiusPhillips_SuspSentence-1.jpg)

 ::snipping2::

Quote
Chief Whites (Blanken) will against Amigoe not comment on the amount and nature of child pornography found. Bon Dia Aruba morning newspaper reported in its report published yesterday by the treatment, however, that these are different images and movies, which included sexual acts with children between thirteen and fourteen years to see. The sentence demanded by the prosecutor relies except that the offense took place more than two years ago, the fact that Philips has not purchased the child pornography but had downloaded for free. Philips remains responsible for the fact that the material ended up on his hard drive and also said the prosecution, speaking the names of the files for themselves. One of them, but could not be opened, said that for the children of thirteen and fourteen years old went. Whites chief told this newspaper that there are no official guidelines for standards in such matters. He says that the personal circumstances of the accused and the fact that this is a first offense will have taken into account in determining the requirement. Whites also states that this case in no way associated with the assassination of Castro, which is still being investigated.

 ::snipping2::

Quote
The case was rolling when the thieves that the two laptops in the house of Philip had stolen would bring out that one of these contained child pornography. The record shows that the thieves of the laptop, Javier Arrow, Delanho Jacobs and Jean French, had contacted Poentje Castro. They were so shocked by the finding of the material that they asked Castro to the laptop directly to the police to bring. Castro took the laptop but did not receive the authorities. Two of the three thieves were arrested and Castro setup for healing, after a few days cell to be released.


Interesting imo, and I have to wonder since they haven't solved Poentje Castro's murder how they can conclusively say it wasn't related to this event...

Poentje Castro took the laptop from the thieves but didn't take it to the police...iirc the laptop was found when Poentje Castro was arrested in relation to the robbery. 

Have to wonder why he didn't immediately take it to the authorities when he knew the robbery had been in the news...was he trying to blackmail Claudius Phillips?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 02:31:04 AM
If anyone is interested, these are links from the Murder & Crime thread to articles about the robbery of Claudius Phillips home in Oct 2009; and the subsequent arrests and prolonged detention of the thieves and Poentje Castro in relation to the case.  I'm sure there are others  scattered throughout the Natalee threads from that time as well.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg987075#msg987075

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1012303#msg1012303

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1013295#msg1013295

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1013368#msg1013368

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1013382#msg1013382

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1014219#msg1014219

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1014244#msg1014244

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1016255#msg1016255

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1016259#msg1016259



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 02:36:17 AM
This is where the articles start regarding the murder of Poentje Castro in Dec 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1280535#msg1280535


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 28, 2011, 02:42:29 AM
Whether Joran ends up serving 15 or 30 years and providing he lives through it, he will be young enough for Peru to turn him over to the U.S. to stand trail for extorting money from Beth Holloway.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 02:59:12 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/82228-voortvluchtige-gonzales-opgepakt

Google translation:

Fugitive arrested Gonzales         

SATURDAY, AUGUST 27, 2011 10:37

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MISC%20NEWS%2027%20012011/08272011_AmigoeAruba.jpg)

ORANGE CITY - Ulgino Reynaldo Gonzales (23), who ten days ago with Edmond Lo-An-Joe managed to escape from prison KIA was early this morning at the residence of the family of Lo-An-Joe Rooi Taki arrested. The father, mother and sister of Lo-An-Joe were aiding the fugitive also arrested.

 ::snipping2::

Superintendent Richardson says that under the leadership of the Attorney General along with other government agencies are working on an integrated approach to youth crime in Aruba. He is thinking of a more proactive policy towards the groups. But until this new approach is ready for application, the police repression, including more patrols in the neighborhoods. "We need a signal that we will not tolerate these things," the police chief. Richardson has previously indicated that groups like Soldiers of Santa Cruz, where both Gonzales and Joe Lo-An-belong, previously seen as a loitering problem and not gangs. "Now we see that within those groups more structure and hierarchy in the formative stages and that they also are becoming more violent and it is therefore time to see these groups as gangs or more will have to tackle."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 03:39:24 AM
Always wondered where they held the "memorial" service for Paulus...

jan Saturday, April 3, 2010 09:33 PM
Quote
Yes it was a very sad passing of a truly amazing man. The private memorial service that was held in Aruba at Alto Vista Chapel had over one hundred "invited" guests. This was following the private funeral service held in The Netherlands.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 03:44:47 AM
If you've never seen inside the Alto Vista Chapel, this link has a cool 360 degree feature (on the right side of the page) that lets you look inside it.  If you click on it after it starts, the picture will go to full screen.

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/discover/attractions-and-sights/Alto-Vista-Chapel.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 03:46:22 AM
Anita may have "invited" over 100 guests to the memorial, but there's no way I believe that many people attended.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 03:51:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)


 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2011, 03:52:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 01:44:12 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 01:45:07 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/StephanyFlores_ll1-1.jpg)

and Stephany!
 ::justice2NJ::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 01:46:11 PM

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 01:48:20 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
Natalee's Candles  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat's


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 01:57:18 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/NatbirdStephany2.gif)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/InHonorofNatalee.jpg)
(Klaasend)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 02:10:34 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 02:12:04 PM

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2011, 02:12:20 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5435599482_8cf4eaf2dc_o.gif)

Please move to Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #860


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10724.0