Haleigh Cummings #4 3/04/09 - 3/08/09

[Wyks]

If Misty did leave the home, and leave the kids alone, and if a predator went in and snatched Haleigh, she would need police protection from Ron in order to admit to that.  Because, IMO, he would kill her if he ever came to think that she did that.

ITA, Unless Ron knew of her nightly or semi-nightly outings to go fetch drugs for him to enjoy on his return at 3 am after a 10 hour shift of hard labor. If that is the case (pure speculation here - but what else do we have??) then he would not be likely to "throw her under the bus" literally or figuratively.

I like this and my only but is we have seen/heard of how controlling and possessive Ron is and I don't see him allowing Misty to do this w/out a key and locking the doors.  But I certainly think she may have done it w/out a key w/out his knowledge and is scared shitless about that truth coming out. But JMO.

Having been on the receiving end of a very controlling male, I kind of doubt that Ron would willingly allow Misty to do anything other than stay in that home, to cook and clean, watch after his kids, and attend to his every need and whim.  To me, Misty looks, acts, and speaks like a whipped puppy.  She very likely didn't even HAVE a key to the home, since I'm betting Ron saw no need for that since she wasn't going anywhere.  All IMO <--- 

Also IMO, Misty seems to have a stubborn edge.  She may very well have decided that once her 'chores' at home were done (ie home clean, clothes/linens washed and dried, kids asleep), it was her free time without Ron controlling her every move.  With him gone and everything else done, she may well have thought it would be ok to slip out and do her own thing.  She could have propped open the side screen door herself, to make slipping back in an easier thing, knowing Ron would be coming in the front door.  I doubt that she'd want him to hear that door slam if she made it back just as he was coming in. 

[Wyks]

Thought this was interesting, in the basement at WS one of the new posters, who lives in this mobile home park, is saying the owner of the trailer that Ron is living in, you would have to know where the light switch is in order to turn on the kitchen light. If you didn't you would have no idea where it is at. I find that rather strange, I mean it couldn't be that hidden could it? 

Someone has made a comment about the light switch.  Evidently it's not in the 'usual place' one would think.  It's over the kitchen sink.  In the dark, even with the skylights, I'd think someone unfamiliar with the place would likely have to grope around looking for that switch. 

And since a stranger coming in would very likely NOT take the time to do that, IMO, the light switch is an important clue. 

[fatcatlurker]

[quoteThere is absolutely no substantiation of any rumors that there were ANY drugs found during this investigation. They have been surrounded by LE and I highly doubt that there is any opportunity for them totru be feeding any "addiction" and I don't buy the "addict" label.]

True. LE has not commented either way. In fact, LE has not commented on much except the a/c guy and the perv they arrested are clear and that Ron was at work. That's it in a nutshell.

FCL: As far as Misty possibly getting drugs for Ron, he may have told her to lock the door behind her. Maybe, and I say "maybe" she was already "in her cups" and just plain forgot to lock it, comes back and HL is gone.

I also agree that the back door w/the cinder block and the other door with the clothes blocking said door was staged.
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True true, I am not eleminating any possibilities in this case.  And it is so very easy to look at Ron and Misty with intensity in this case, but as I've said many times before at some point I have to put my faith in LE and the other professionals (FBI) especially with the "crime scene" and I am very glad it looks like they have done a thorough job with removing drywall/wood around tub in mbr and under the trailer itself.  I've always felt the JBR crime scene was staged so I'm right there w/you on not excluding anyone possibly till the conclusion of this. Now when it comes to evaluating each character in a case I'm less trusting of professionals it's just to subjective for me.  As we are seeing on all the blogs.  I just pray she is found soon.

[luckyday]

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If Misty did leave the home, and leave the kids alone, and if a predator went in and snatched Haleigh, she would need police protection from Ron in order to admit to that.  Because, IMO, he would kill her if he ever came to think that she did that.
ITA, Unless Ron knew of her nightly or semi-nightly outings to go fetch drugs for him to enjoy on his return at 3 am after a 10 hour shift of hard labor. If that is the case (pure speculation here - but what else do we have??) then he would not be likely to "throw her under the bus" literally or figuratively.


I like this and my only but is we have seen/heard of how controlling and possessive Ron is and I don't see him allowing Misty to do this w/out a key and locking the doors.  But I certainly think she may have done it w/out a key w/out his knowledge and is scared shitless about that truth coming out. But JMO.


Having been on the receiving end of a very controlling male, I kind of doubt that Ron would willingly allow Misty to do anything other than stay in that home, to cook and clean, watch after his kids, and attend to his every need and whim.  To me, Misty looks, acts, and speaks like a whipped puppy.  She very likely didn't even HAVE a key to the home, since I'm betting Ron saw no need for that since she wasn't going anywhere.  All IMO <--- 

Also IMO, Misty seems to have a stubborn edge.  She may very well have decided that once her 'chores' at home were done (ie home clean, clothes/linens washed and dried, kids asleep), it was her free time without Ron controlling her every move.  With him gone and everything else done, she may well have thought it would be ok to slip out and do her own thing.  She could have propped open the side screen door herself, to make slipping back in an easier thing, knowing Ron would be coming in the front door.  I doubt that she'd want him to hear that door slam if she made it back just as he was coming in. 

All good points. Been there w/an abusive control freak as well. Just one of many reasons I can read Ron like a fined tuned violin. My red flags were flying from day one on him & this was BEFORE I searched for a criminal history.

Many have stated that Crystal (bio mom) does not have much emotion considering her child is missing. I see her with a classic case of PTSD. Flat affect/keeps her emotions well hidden.

As far as the key, you may be on to something FKL. Who in the hell would reside w/someone who won't trust them w/a key but w/trust them with your children? 

[GramaMonkey]

Thought this was interesting, in the basement at WS one of the new posters, who lives in this mobile home park, is saying the owner of the trailer that Ron is living in, you would have to know where the light switch is in order to turn on the kitchen light. If you didn't you would have no idea where it is at. I find that rather strange, I mean it couldn't be that hidden could it? 

Maybe we should go back to the video and see if WE see it~wonder where it is located that would make it difficult to find

Good idea.  I just want the facts.  I'm so tired of speculation and if it's something we can see with our eyes than we know it's bs and have to wonder why a person would be making false claims, right?  I never get too upset by these cases, but watching the video with Haleigh's bedroom and looking at all her stuff, it just broke my heart.  I can't even imagine what the families are going thru and hope I never have to. 

I call bs, after reviewing video posted below.  You can clearly see a light switch 3.34 thru and up to another switch by back hall door at 4.  Now maybe there is another light switch over on the wall in the kitchen area, but I see atleast 2 in the immediate area that could be a light on in the kitchen area. 
Just what I see.  You guys are really lucky I can't do screen captures yet....tee hee.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/03/06/ng.haleigh.teary

Just what I see on video.

I have 2 and 3 way wall switches.  What I mean is, I can turn my kitchen light on/off by the bathroom, by the patio door, or entrance to the kitchen.

So, if there is a two way switch near the back entrance, maybe someone just flipped the wrong switch.  Meaning, that there was a switch to turn on the kitchen light, at the back entrance.  So, instead of turning on the hallway light, the kitchen light went on.

Just a thought about the switches, but I have no theory as to who, why, what about them. 

Something that has bothered me everytime I see the video of Misty where she is on camera ( this is in the very first interviews) and sitting next to I believe her mother.

Listen to her speak, her voice, like as if it is a put on ..sob... similar to an acting scene.  Very basic comments, does not comment on the evening prior etc.   

[luckyday]

And it is so very easy to look at Ron and Misty with intensity in this case, but as I've said many times before at some point I have to put my faith in LE and the other professionals (FBI) especially with the "crime scene" and I am very glad it looks like they have done a thorough job with removing drywall/wood around tub in mbr and under the trailer itself.  I've always felt the JBR crime scene was staged so I'm right there w/you on not excluding anyone possibly till the conclusion of this. Now when it comes to evaluating each character in a case I'm less trusting of professionals it's just to subjective for me.

FKL: Color me confused.

Are you saying you are or are not trusting of professionals (LE/FBI)??

[Wyks]

Hello All, Im new to posting here although I have been lurking for a while... Figured this place was right for me, cause this case is driving me bannanas lol..

like everyone else, Im absolutley not sure what happened but I am leaning towads abduction. I guess only because there are quite a few things that I feel is totally possible although many feel they are impossible..

As far as someone coming in and taking a kid out of a room you are sleeping in, It happens to me all the time! I have 4 kids and none of them like to fall asleep in their own beds, so half the time they will crash on the living room floor or my bed. My 2 yr old, I put him to bed earlier than the rest of us go to bed so I put him to sleep in my bed because it is the quietest room. There have been several occasions where my husband has taken him from right beside me and put him in his own bed without me ever hearing or feeling a thing..

I guess what Im saying is if they play "musical beds" a lot *like my kiddos* then it makes it possible that 1, someone could very much come in there and take a kid out of the room without her noticing. And 2, it makes it possible that she wouldn't notice Haleigh missing right off. Maybe she did get up to go to the bathroom, see the light, see the door and then realize oh my gosh, I put Haleigh to bed right there and she isn't there anymore.

I dunno 

Hi momm0f4, welcome to the cage! 

Your comment, "this case is driving me bannanas"     Yep, you're in the right place!  It's doing the same to nearly all of us!  And we have plenty of nanners to go around.  lol

I agree with your point on someone could take a sleeping child without our knowing it.  Am thinking tho that it's different when that someone is our spouse or family member, somehow in our sleep our minds don't always register things that usually happen in our home.  Just not sure it would be the same if a stranger were to do the same.  Not that I ever personally want to find out either. 

And yes, it could be that when Ron got home he may have had the habit of putting the sleeping kids back into their rooms.  Not sure tho, with that mattress being on their floor.  He may have just put Jr. in his own bed.  In my experience moving a sleeping child typically doesn't wake them up, at least not fully awake. 

[fatcatlurker]

And it is so very easy to look at Ron and Misty with intensity in this case, but as I've said many times before at some point I have to put my faith in LE and the other professionals (FBI) especially with the "crime scene" and I am very glad it looks like they have done a thorough job with removing drywall/wood around tub in mbr and under the trailer itself.  I've always felt the JBR crime scene was staged so I'm right there w/you on not excluding anyone possibly till the conclusion of this. Now when it comes to evaluating each character in a case I'm less trusting of professionals it's just to subjective for me.

FKL: Color me confused.

Are you saying you are or are not trusting of professionals (LE/FBI)??

Trust them w/crime scene not with criminals, just as we are all taking sides here based on our knowledge, they(LE/FBI) each bring a past(judgemental) to their insight of each criminal case.  Notice re-opening in the future for JBR case I think there are questions they always had and never got the answers they were looking for not on the crime scene but on the alibi's/stories of characters.    Look at the pizza bomber case.  That's all I think I am now confusing myself....sorry.  I'll close w/this; Sometimes the "crime scene" never fits until someone confesses.

[luckyday]

FKL: Color me confused.

Are you saying you are or are not trusting of professionals (LE/FBI)??


Trust them w/crime scene not with criminals, just as we are all taking sides here based on our knowledge, they(LE/FBI) each bring a past(judgemental) to their insight of each criminal case.  Notice re-opening in the future for JBR case I think there are questions they always had and never got the answers they were looking for not on the crime scene but on the alibi's/stories of characters.    Look at the pizza bomber case.  That's all I think I am now confusing myself....sorry.  I'll close w/this; Sometimes the "crime scene" never fits until someone confesses.

Thanks, makes perfect sense!!! ITA!

[momm0f4]

Hello All, Im new to posting here although I have been lurking for a while... Figured this place was right for me, cause this case is driving me bannanas lol..

like everyone else, Im absolutley not sure what happened but I am leaning towads abduction. I guess only because there are quite a few things that I feel is totally possible although many feel they are impossible..

As far as someone coming in and taking a kid out of a room you are sleeping in, It happens to me all the time! I have 4 kids and none of them like to fall asleep in their own beds, so half the time they will crash on the living room floor or my bed. My 2 yr old, I put him to bed earlier than the rest of us go to bed so I put him to sleep in my bed because it is the quietest room. There have been several occasions where my husband has taken him from right beside me and put him in his own bed without me ever hearing or feeling a thing..

I guess what Im saying is if they play "musical beds" a lot *like my kiddos* then it makes it possible that 1, someone could very much come in there and take a kid out of the room without her noticing. And 2, it makes it possible that she wouldn't notice Haleigh missing right off. Maybe she did get up to go to the bathroom, see the light, see the door and then realize oh my gosh, I put Haleigh to bed right there and she isn't there anymore.

I dunno 

Hi momm0f4, welcome to the cage! 

Your comment, "this case is driving me bannanas"     Yep, you're in the right place!  It's doing the same to nearly all of us!  And we have plenty of nanners to go around.  lol

I agree with your point on someone could take a sleeping child without our knowing it.  Am thinking tho that it's different when that someone is our spouse or family member, somehow in our sleep our minds don't always register things that usually happen in our home.  Just not sure it would be the same if a stranger were to do the same.  Not that I ever personally want to find out either. 

And yes, it could be that when Ron got home he may have had the habit of putting the sleeping kids back into their rooms.  Not sure tho, with that mattress being on their floor.  He may have just put Jr. in his own bed.  In my experience moving a sleeping child typically doesn't wake them up, at least not fully awake. 

Thanks

Ive also thought that sub conciously she woke up because of these happenings not because she had to go to the restroom.

then again she could have been awake the whole time, who knows.

[fatcatlurker]

Well people, I'm going out to poke around my bulbs and enjoy this great spring time weather we are getting here.  As always it's been a pleasure.  Be back later.

Don't forget I think tonight is the Natalie Holloway movie on Lifetime.  IDK if it's already been on before, if it was I missed it.  Can't wait to see how they portray that real life POS Uron and his POS family.  JMO

[momm0f4]

I am also uneasy with Crystal, after looking at her myspace and her on camera it seems like she has moved on and created a new life. I know she lives and hour or more away but who is to say she wasn't close to Rons home that day. That would mean she didn't have to drive there that evening, she would only had to drive back which is less time..

[GramaMonkey]

Rana, Be my guest to call.  Let no stone be unturned. There is a SO one street over on Baker Richard Winch- Railroad tracks are in the area- see my post 1 page previous for details...
 

Ok.... I'll have to email it or let hubby or someone call it. I had a little throat surgery and I go back and forth b/w laryngitis and sounding like Satchmo Louie Amstrong.

 

But yeah OK.... will do.

DID ANYONE SEE A FOLLOW UP REPLY TO THESE POSTS???  DID SOMEONE PHONE/MAKE CONTACT AS THEY STATED??

[GramaMonkey]

Hello All, Im new to posting here although I have been lurking for a while... Figured this place was right for me, cause this case is driving me bannanas lol..

like everyone else, Im absolutley not sure what happened but I am leaning towads abduction. I guess only because there are quite a few things that I feel is totally possible although many feel they are impossible..

As far as someone coming in and taking a kid out of a room you are sleeping in, It happens to me all the time! I have 4 kids and none of them like to fall asleep in their own beds, so half the time they will crash on the living room floor or my bed. My 2 yr old, I put him to bed earlier than the rest of us go to bed so I put him to sleep in my bed because it is the quietest room. There have been several occasions where my husband has taken him from right beside me and put him in his own bed without me ever hearing or feeling a thing..

I guess what Im saying is if they play "musical beds" a lot *like my kiddos* then it makes it possible that 1, someone could very much come in there and take a kid out of the room without her noticing. And 2, it makes it possible that she wouldn't notice Haleigh missing right off. Maybe she did get up to go to the bathroom, see the light, see the door and then realize oh my gosh, I put Haleigh to bed right there and she isn't there anymore.

I dunno 

Hi momm0f4, welcome to the cage! 

Your comment, "this case is driving me bannanas"     Yep, you're in the right place!  It's doing the same to nearly all of us!  And we have plenty of nanners to go around.  lol

I agree with your point on someone could take a sleeping child without our knowing it.  Am thinking tho that it's different when that someone is our spouse or family member, somehow in our sleep our minds don't always register things that usually happen in our home.  Just not sure it would be the same if a stranger were to do the same.  Not that I ever personally want to find out either. 

And yes, it could be that when Ron got home he may have had the habit of putting the sleeping kids back into their rooms.  Not sure tho, with that mattress being on their floor.  He may have just put Jr. in his own bed.  In my experience moving a sleeping child typically doesn't wake them up, at least not fully awake. 

Thanks

Ive also thought that sub conciously she woke up because of these happenings not because she had to go to the restroom.

then again she could have been awake the whole time, who knows.

Like maybe she just had gotten home!!!!

[Kat_Gram]

I have slept thru fire alarms at home here.
I have also slept in motel / hotel rooms with others in the same room where they got up and went out for an hour or two, used the bathroom, had lights on, talked, switched their sleeping arrangements, etc. If I am in a REM sleep, I hear and respond to nothing.
If I am having trouble sleeping, the ticking of a clock in another room will annoy the crap out of me rendering me sleepless.
I could certainly relate to a person being deaf, dumb and blind ( Misty ) to these things.
I just can't fault the girl for sleeping thru this. She was at home and wasn't in a red alert stage for anyone coming in and taking any kids.
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I read alot and sometimes ( in the fiction book ) a subject goes for hypnosis to retrieve a memory clearly. Is this a real thing that is done ? If so, then Misty should have this done
with a professional in case there is something that could be recovered or cleared up with her confliciting recollections.

[luckyday]

Not airing yet:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/12/18/natalee-holloway-movie/

[luckyday]

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   Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #4
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I have slept thru fire alarms at home here.
I have also slept in motel / hotel rooms with others in the same room where they got up and went out for an hour or two, used the bathroom, had lights on, talked, switched their sleeping arrangements, etc. If I am in a REM sleep, I hear and respond to nothing

You are sooo lucky. Everything wakes me up - that is...If I can fall asleep at all. Guess maybe this is one reason I have such a difficult time understanding why she would not hear someone come into the bedroom and take HL.

[Wyks]

I have slept thru fire alarms at home here.
I have also slept in motel / hotel rooms with others in the same room where they got up and went out for an hour or two, used the bathroom, had lights on, talked, switched their sleeping arrangements, etc. If I am in a REM sleep, I hear and respond to nothing.
If I am having trouble sleeping, the ticking of a clock in another room will annoy the crap out of me rendering me sleepless.
I could certainly relate to a person being deaf, dumb and blind ( Misty ) to these things.
I just can't fault the girl for sleeping thru this. She was at home and wasn't in a red alert stage for anyone coming in and taking any kids.
........
I read alot and sometimes ( in the fiction book ) a subject goes for hypnosis to retrieve a memory clearly. Is this a real thing that is done ? If so, then Misty should have this done
with a professional in case there is something that could be recovered or cleared up with her confliciting recollections.

Yes, it's a real thing being done by some folks for memory recall, and other things as well.  Some people aren't comfy with hypnosis tho.  A skilled psychotherapist can do what's called 'vivid imagery', for memory recall.  Some people are more comfy with that.  It's most often used for memories from long ago that a person may have put away on the back burner, so to speak.  Still and all tho, one needs someone with skills to help the person thru something like this.

IMO as a therapist, just from what I've seen and heard from Misty so far, she doesn't seem to need hypnosis or vivid imagery.  I don't think this is a case of repressing her memories.  What it does seem to be is that for whatever reason, Misty is not being honest.  IMO, she just needs to knock it off, get honest with LE and tell the truth about what happened. 

 

[no rose colored glasses]

Thought this was interesting, in the basement at WS one of the new posters, who lives in this mobile home park, is saying the owner of the trailer that Ron is living in, you would have to know where the light switch is in order to turn on the kitchen light. If you didn't you would have no idea where it is at. I find that rather strange, I mean it couldn't be that hidden could it? 

Someone has made a comment about the light switch.  Evidently it's not in the 'usual place' one would think.  It's over the kitchen sink.  In the dark, even with the skylights, I'd think someone unfamiliar with the place would likely have to grope around looking for that switch. 

And since a stranger coming in would very likely NOT take the time to do that, IMO, the light switch is an important clue. 

Thanks, I had to leave for awhile, just got back, I've never seen a kitchen light switch over the kitchen sink, but maybe it is like that in a mobile home. I also think the light switch is an important clue.

[janetruth]

... snipped with respect

If Misty did leave the home, and leave the kids alone, and if a predator went in and snatched Haleigh, she would need police protection from Ron in order to admit to that.  Because, IMO, he woulld kill her if he ever came to think that she did that.

Hi janetruth, good to see you! 

I agree with this 100%.  Especially since we've heard what Ron has said.  We can see the control he has over Misty, and (if she did leave the home) I'm betting when she heard him say that, her heart just sank.  Still and all, she has had time alone with LE, with her family as well, she has had the opportunity to admit what she may have done, and to voice her fears of Ron at the same time.  But then I have to remember, she's barely 17.  And because of what we've heard of her past, her family may not be the type she can turn to for helpful support.  She may feel she's on her own, with no one to help or understand, that she has to do for herself.  This may be part of why she's hiding things.   

Am hoping that LE has a mental health worker talking with her, with the rest of the families involved too.  They need someone who is skilled in dealing with emotions, to be supportive, to help these folks tell what they know as well as handle life at the moment. 

Misty needs this type of support right now, IMO.  She seems to be hiding a great deal, (either out of fear, or whatever reason) and if LE ever wants that info from her, am thinking they need to use a different approach like this. 

It could be that LE might offer some type of immunity for her, but at the very least am hoping they offer some type of witness protection for her future. 

Me, too.  She's a child, herself.