Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 - 7/6/08

[CapsLockWizard]

wouldn't that be Frans van Deutekom?

he is public prosecutor on Aruba.

I thought that was Hans Mos?  How many do they have down there? 

This is the Hidden one...
Trust me on this...I know since 2004 what was going on....

[caesu]

wouldn't that be Frans van Deutekom?

he is public prosecutor on Aruba.

I thought that was Hans Mos?  How many do they have down there? 

probably a handful.

Hans Mos is the head-prosecutor.
Dop Kruimel is the press-prosecutor (handles the press, put Mos seemed to have taken over her job).
and then there is F. van Deutekom.
there might be a few more.

[Lala'sMom]

Caps
I can't find Deutekom mentioned in that article...is it because English is my only language? Help!

Like I said before:

1. he will never put down his name.
2. he will not pose for pictures
3. he is behind the scene.

This was a favor....carefull here..we are stepping onto rice papers....

From Left to Right in the Article.
In the Picture we have Frans Deutekom, Police Madura and President of the Police Union and last is Maduro

OK, I am lost..I only see one person's picture...is that Duetekom or not?  I know you say he is behind the scenes.  I must not have the right link.  Help again.

[wreck]

wouldn't that be Frans van Deuterium?

he is public prosecutor on Aruba.

I thought that was Hans Mos?  How many do they have down there? 

probably a handful.

Hans Mos is the head-prosecutor.
Dop Kruimel is the press-prosecutor (handles the press, put Mos seemed to have taken over her job).
and then there is F. van Deutekom.
there might be a few more.

Who reports to whom? Are they autonomous?

[Rob]

is this him?

[Lala'sMom]

One more question Caps...what good is it to describe DH and then find out no one knows who it was?  So when would Paulus have walked with him?  Was he there when Paulus was released and we didn't see him?  Shango said he was discovered too..when did that happen?  Who discovered him?  OK, it is more than one question, but you know how I am...sorry. 

[klaasend]

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html

Introductory statement
 
07-May-2007 | Speech
Piet de Klerk - Human Rights Ambassador



Introductory statement by the Head of the Netherlands delegation, Piet de Klerk, Netherlands Human Rights Ambassador on the occasion of the consideration of the fourth report by the Kingdom of the Netherlands
pursuant to its obligations under the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
Geneva, 7 May 2007

Mr Chairman,

distinguished members of the Committee,

ladies and gentlemen,

It is an honour for me to address your Committee on the occasion of your consideration of the fourth report by the Kingdom of the Netherlands pursuant to the Convention against Torture. We hold the work of the Committee in high esteem, and my delegation is looking forward to a productive exchange of views.

The report to be considered today and tomorrow contains our response to the Committee’s concluding observations on the previous report, as well as information on new measures and developments relating to the implementation of articles 1 to 16 of the Convention. It covers the four-year period from 1999 to the end of 2002, and deals with the European part of the Kingdom and Aruba.

I am happy to note, though, that all three constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands – that is: the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - are represented in our delegation. Let me introduce the members of the delegation:

Martin Kuijer, senior legal adviser on human rights at the Legislation Department of the Ministry of Justice
Jeroen de Jong, senior legal adviser at the Custodial Institutions Agency of the Ministry of Justice
Taetske van der Reijt, senior legal adviser at the Police Department of the Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations
Femma Pais, legislative lawyer at the Legislation and Legal Affairs Department of the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport
Frans Clabbers, senior policy adviser on mental health care at the Curative Care Department of the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport
Pieter Ramaer, counsellor at the Permanent Mission of the Netherlands to the United Nations, Geneva
Fabio Rossi, policy adviser at the UN Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Those are the delegation members of the European part of the Kingdom. Then:

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

 (snipped)

[CapsLockWizard]

is this him?

100 % sure...Frans Deutekom....the behavior specialist...he will make the most guilty looks like angels...

1000% manipulator of the truth

[SS]

Yep!  I agree on all their "bs" but sure would like to know whats in their journals that JR doesnt want to give up!  hahahaha  must be sleeping with the devil or sumpin! 

Actually...I thought JR was sleeping with Pustus...I guess that would be sleeping with the Devil.....

 

Is she really sleeping with Paulass?  I have suspected her as being Dirty Hand for a long time because she has the goods on everybody and she walks in all houses as "The News".  Dirty Hand is also a "consort" of Paulass.  If this is true she is even more of a slimeball than I thought over the way that she played Beth.

[Rob]

is this him?

100 % sure...Frans Deutekom....the behavior specialist...he will make the most guilty looks like angels...

1000% manipulator of the truth

thanks Caps - that will give us all a good chance now that we have a picture.

I knew that "someone" was pulling the strings here (we all knew that), we just didn't know who is was.

[Lala'sMom]

I thought Karen was sleeping with him...gosh that guy gets around. 

[Rob]

Caps, is there any chance this guy is involved in the case of Alex Mathews? or Max DeVries? or any of the other missing people (turistas) on Aruba?

[always 1]

Klass, he is listed on Shango and Simion no. 2 page 12 my mum in ohio march 27 2008 but I dont know how to bring it over here

[caesu]

wouldn't that be Frans van Deuterium?

he is public prosecutor on Aruba.

I thought that was Hans Mos?  How many do they have down there? 

probably a handful.

Hans Mos is the head-prosecutor.
Dop Kruimel is the press-prosecutor (handles the press, put Mos seemed to have taken over her job).
and then there is F. van Deutekom.
there might be a few more.

Who reports to whom? Are they autonomous?

they report to Mos.
and Mos reports to the PG (Pieterz, formerly Jörg)
and the PG reports to Rudy Croes.
but there shouldn't be interference from high up to the prosecution.
to keep the seperation of powers in place.
but on Aruba this is non-existent.

Rudy Croes can order through the PG an prosecution or stop a prosecution or move a prosecution in a certain direction.
but if he does that. he needs to let the parliament know. which he never does.
but his party, the MEP has the majority anyway in the parliament.
this enables the political prosecution and corruption.
or better said: preventing of prosecution of political allies.

very few Dutchies know that on Aruba the MEP has the absolute majority.
here in the Netherlands there are always coalition government.
so we are used to some checks and balances and oversight even from within the government parties.

Arubans know this. that's why they are so outraged to see Hendrik Croes getting this special treatment.

but Mos keeps saying:
it is not a political prosecution because we are not giving in to the demands from the AVP the prosecute Hendrik Croes (charge him with attempted murder).
Jörg said kind of the same thing while has was PG.
but in his last interview he acknowledged that there are many political influenced prosecutions.
of course the Hendrik Croes-case is a text book example of this.
i think Hendrik Croes, brother or Rudy, former minister of justice, shouldn't have been attorney for the government in the court cases during the state workers strike in the first places. that was asking for trouble.

[carpe noctem]

Yep!  I agree on all their "bs" but sure would like to know whats in their journals that JR doesnt want to give up!  hahahaha  must be sleeping with the devil or sumpin! 

Actually...I thought JR was sleeping with Pustus...I guess that would be sleeping with the Devil.....

Speaking of Aruba & SLIME BALLS, SS. You have great timing...

I just cut together the newest LOVING NATALEE #91

"ARUBA SLIMES SO OOZILY!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVPnGN31Xo

 






 

Is she really sleeping with Paulass?  I have suspected her as being Dirty Hand for a long time because she has the goods on everybody and she walks in all houses as "The News".  Dirty Hand is also a "consort" of Paulass.  If this is true she is even more of a slimeball than I thought over the way that she played Beth.

[CapsLockWizard]

One more question Caps...what good is it to describe DH and then find out no one knows who it was?  So when would Paulus have walked with him?  Was he there when Paulus was released and we didn't see him?  Shango said he was discovered too..when did that happen?  Who discovered him?  OK, it is more than one question, but you know how I am...sorry. 

I can explain that...in December 2004 discovert in a case dealing the Holliday inn...very in the news.
In 2005 he is the one that handle the Natalee case. all the other's that where in the media where just fronts for the OM

in 2004 he proscuted a case where the man was sentance for 2 year, but since the case would show the government week side and incompetent, the case was manipulated and so a innocent man went to jail.

his work is to protect the system at all cost.

Puales and Vonking knows this man very well and are buddies and so are Teresa and Marian.

[always 1]

Klass, van Deutekom is also mentioned in a letter from the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs Introduction Statement May 2007.

[klaasend]

Klass, he is listed on Shango and Simion no. 2 page 12 my mum in ohio march 27 2008 but I dont know how to bring it over here

Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html

Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 

A.        Aruban authorities

 

 

-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice

-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice

-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police

-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner

-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector

-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau

-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)

-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))

-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer

-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)

-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist

-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General

-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)

-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

 

 

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest

 

-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer

-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer

-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

These are the offices or enties that DirtyHands has his hands in

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
DirtyHand can bring down all houses
DirtyHand is the key
His reach is long (see how many department he controlsHe walks in all circles (see many department he can walk in)
consort to all, except for the gods
He knows the sacrifice is not responsible


Frans DueteKom is the DirtyHand

Now we can translete Shango with the keys of Simian.

Had meeting ...., freddy info will be here soon.
CAPSLOCKWIZARD

Waiting....patiently!

Thanks Caps!

[SS]

CAPS - it's so good to see you.  Thanks so much for the picture.  We still can't spell his name, but at least we know what he looks like.   

[klaasend]

CAPS - it's so good to see you.  Thanks so much for the picture.  We still can't spell his name, but at least we know what he looks like.   

Sure we can 

Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor