Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 - 7/6/08

[Rob]

Help from some of our Dutch posters, please!

Caps posted that Rudy and Hendrick are not brothers. He has posted this twice before in Shango and I have checked on it and found articles referencing them as brothers....LOL...He didn't answer my questions on it either!

Can we please find out for sure, one way or the other?

i've read many times that Betico, Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
Betico died in 1986.

Hendrik used to be justice minister from 1989 until 2005 (at times when the AVP was in the opposition).
Rudy became justice minister in his place in 2005. Rudy doesn't have a law degree. Hendrik does.

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=40

that's how I understood it also.

[Lala'sMom]

I see some of you are beginning to understand why I asked the question. AG has told me they were brothers.  (Thanks Klaas) but Caps claims they are not.  It can only be one way or the other.  I am thinking we just have it confused between all of us in some way.  Many of us have spent hours trying to determine for certain.  It goes back to Steve Croes and his role in all this.  Of course, it also involves that 5th suspect of Simian's but I will try not to go there right now.  Thanks for everyone's help.  It would be interesting to know how our illustrious Deutekom helped Steve waltz away as Simian would say. I am going to post the first time  I think Caps mentioned Deutekom to us in Shango for everyone's curiosity. (Don't hold me to that being the first, but I am pretty sure it was around this time.)

[Lala'sMom]

CapsLockWizard
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #171 on: March 26, 2008, 12:30:32 PM »
   
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:06:13 AM
Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM »

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From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

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46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.


Fin

I think from the list above we forgot one of those S.O.B's Mr. F.A.P.M van Duetekom.

Check what info you have on this man... good friend of Paules.. He is a Prosecuter. But he is not on the list.

CAPS

[yapperz1]

Hiya Monkeys
Just throwing this in to have it on the record:

http://tinyurl.com/6jogkd

  
 Hendrik S. Croes
  
Place and date of birth:
Aruba, January 8, 1942.
  
Education:
University of Leiden, Netherlands (LL.M., 1967).
  
Admitted:
1967, Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.
  
Experience:
Minister of Education & Constitutional Affairs of the Netherlands Antilles, 1973-1976;
Minister of Justice & Constitutional Affairs of the Netherlands Antilles, 1979-1981;
Member of the Kingdom Committee to advise on Aruba’s Independence, 1982;
Minister of Preparing the New Constitutional Status of Aruba, Deputy Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles, 1984-1985;
Minister of Public Health of the Netherlands Antilles, September 1985-December 1985;
Minister of Justice of Aruba, February 1989-March 1993;
Member of the Kingdom Committee to advise on future relations with the European Union, 2004.
  
Languages:
Dutch, Spanish, English, Papiamento; written command of German and French.
  
Practice Areas:
General Practice; Civil Law; Commercial Law; Corporate Law; Company Law; Trademarks; Copyrights; Construction Law; Administrative Law; Labor Law; Debt Collection; Real Estate; Mergers and Acquisitions; Joint Ventures; Gaming Law; Arbitration; Criminal Litigation; Economic Crimes; Drug Crimes; Inheritance laws.
  
Email: hsc@lawyersaruba.com

 
 
 

[Lala'sMom]

Oops!  I forgot the link. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.160

[GBMW]

Things are usually black and white to me.  Either I believe the person or I don't.  That's how I am when I view things.  I feel the same way as ******* does about Patrick.  There are people who don't.  We all have different thoughts about the subject.

This has gone on since yesterday and I'm tired of reading about it and I don't want to see fighting.  I say let's move on a drop the subject.

That's your right...and nothing wrong with that at all.

It's easy for you to say drop the subject though...you're not the one that's been called a stupid, crazy, lying wheasel for no reason by a mod.

just to clarify: I don't think it's wrong for you to have that opinion / character...to see / hear a few quotes from someone and label him - her as a cheat / liar / ......

I don't agree with people being labelled as a saint or devil when it comes to looking at them in total though...to put people in boxes just like that...would sound a bit judgemental to me. JMO

[KarmaRoundUp]

Klassend, I found some more pictures I think the monkeys might want to see, but there are so many.  Would you look at them and post some for me?  Thanks so much.   arubanger.multiply.com/photos

There are some interresting photos.  I'll post the direct link to the site and people can look around.

http://arubanger.multiply.com/

Whoaaaa,this will take me days to go through......I wonder if he has any pics from 2005 of aruba.Thank you Always1....great find!

[Buckeye]

Hendrik Croes - a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm - is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1017_e.php

[Lala'sMom]

vms
Scared Monkey
   
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #176 on: March 26, 2008, 01:23:34 PM »




Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 

A.        Aruban authorities

 

 

-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice

-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice

-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police

-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner

-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector

-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau

-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)

-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))

-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer

-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)

-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist

-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General

-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)

-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

 

 

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest

 

-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer

-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer

-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

[KarmaRoundUp]

Help from some of our Dutch posters, please!

Caps posted that Rudy and Hendrick are not brothers. He has posted this twice before in Shango and I have checked on it and found articles referencing them as brothers....LOL...He didn't answer my questions on it either!

Can we please find out for sure, one way or the other?

i've read many times that Betico, Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
Betico died in 1986.

Hendrik used to be justice minister from 1989 until 2005 (at times when the AVP was in the opposition).
Rudy became justice minister in his place in 2005. Rudy doesn't have a law degree. Hendrik does.

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=40

I guess we could tell for sure if we knew their exact ages right?Do we know Rudy's father's name and age?

[johan555]

But no matter where I work: I'm able to watch complete interviews sometimes; not a couple of quotes here and there. And I see reactions from people / lawyers / ALE in our agenda when something is up in this case.
Interviews / reactions / quotes don't change because of the channel / programme that does the interview BTW; the person stays the same.

PLEASE STOP WITH THIS BLA BLA

[Blonde]

I know everyone is busy right now...fighting and all..but would someone please help me out here.  Caps has told me that Hendrick and Rudy are not brothers.  He has also told me that Rudy is Betico's nephew.  If we could just nail this small point down I think it would go a long way to explaining the Steve Croes/Simian/Merian connections. Those of us in the Shango forum have been around in circles with this for some time...now I need more imput.  Please and TIA.

Lala's - I just put this together.





YES ROB

They sure look alike. Must be the family goat genes.

I understood they were brothers. But, Caps would know better than anyone. Maybe they are not brothers.

[MumInOhio]

Thanks to Vms…posted in Shango…not sure if I can copy!  No!..LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.msg396631#new


« Reply #749 on: Today at 10:28:19 AM »

FRANK CROES ELECTRO/AUTO PARTS & HARDWARE http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19631

   

[carpe noctem]

GBMW:
.to see / hear a few quotes from someone and label him - her as a cheat / liar / .





Well, IMHO... for you to be assuming that a person on the American end has only seen
a few quotes, and can't comprehend the full scope of what Patrick Van der eem is
saying in his many media interviews, in his book, and on his blog, seems a bit
presumptuous to me.

However, I think it is great that you think you have a better grasp
on the full Patrick Van der eem picture due to your language knowledge
and position. Thanks for sharing.

[Lala'sMom]

Caps
Please drop in and tell us more about Deutekom.  You know I have tons of questions...does he have influence over the judges also?  As in Judge Witt?  Who are his friends?  Why is he so behind the scenes?  I have wanted to know forever about this particular Shango post concerning Dirty Hand.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

[Lala'sMom]

I know everyone is busy right now...fighting and all..but would someone please help me out here.  Caps has told me that Hendrick and Rudy are not brothers.  He has also told me that Rudy is Betico's nephew.  If we could just nail this small point down I think it would go a long way to explaining the Steve Croes/Simian/Merian connections. Those of us in the Shango forum have been around in circles with this for some time...now I need more imput.  Please and TIA.

Lala's - I just put this together.





YES ROB

They sure look alike. Must be the family goat genes.

I understood they were brothers. But, Caps would know better than anyone. Maybe they are not brothers.

Spew Alert!!!!!!!!!!!!  Note to self:  Don't drink and browse SM at same time. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

I know everyone is busy right now...fighting and all..but would someone please help me out here.  Caps has told me that Hendrick and Rudy are not brothers.  He has also told me that Rudy is Betico's nephew.  If we could just nail this small point down I think it would go a long way to explaining the Steve Croes/Simian/Merian connections. Those of us in the Shango forum have been around in circles with this for some time...now I need more imput.  Please and TIA.

Lala's - I just put this together.





YES ROB

They sure look alike. Must be the family goat genes.

I understood they were brothers. But, Caps would know better than anyone. Maybe they are not brothers.

iirc, Private Eye & 'family' were looking at your photo from the other end.   

[Blonde]

here are some interresting photos.  I'll post the direct link to the site and people can look around.

http://arubanger.multiply.com/
WOW I want to go visit here /b]

[2NJSons_Mom]

Oh, yes....goats, I believe.

[carpe noctem]

here are some interresting photos.  I'll post the direct link to the site and people can look around.

http://arubanger.multiply.com/
WOW I want to go visit here /b]

Heyyyyyy.

Look Blonde.... it's the Van der sloot MOTEL 6....

Paulus done-did left the light on for youuuuu!!!!!