Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[klaasend]

I seem to recall that Jossy and Luis did not get along very well.  Wasn't Luis the "black sheep" of the family? 

Anyone else remember this?

[Anna]

I think there are several black sheep in the Mansur family but Jossy seems to be the one always trying to rise above it all and do the right things.

[Kermit]

Developers Luis Mansur & Sara Mansur transferred ownership of the real estate assets to 15.000 on-island/off-island owners, the time share members of the resort
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/images/p_cabana_transfer.jpg

(pretty sure these links no longer work, but that was info I had)
Luis Mansur
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=jp9vCVXWKK1qNvbD
Carlo Mansur
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=7X2z7ftKTg2S3xs8
Arturo Mansur
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=YJjqnPYpIc4x3ue9
Terrick Mansur
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=FvF9Z1BokQMojGih
Naira Mansur
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=qEktVFVVt.T.9Z2M
Alina Mansur
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=XINT-Tp6pvE14fgS


Nickname
luismnsr

Name
Luis Mansur

age
18 years old (25 June 1988)

Location
Boca Raton (33431)
Florida (United States)

Love status
Single & looking

Sexual preference
Hetero
Occupation
Student

Information profiles:

Profession Student
City Boca Raton

Profession (or studies) International Business

Love status Single & looking

Sexual preference Hetero

Music styles Rap | HipHop | Rock | Hard Rock | Metal | Alternative | Trance | Techno | House | Chill | Rave

Interests Art | Cars | Motorbikes | Nightlife | Friends | Dating | Movies | Music

Hobbies Surfing, Guitar

Favourite sport Watersports | Martial Arts

Favourite holiday Sun, sea and beach

http://www.bingbox.com/luismnsr
_________________
___________________________________________
Nickname
bangbus69

Name
Renato v/dbiezen

age
23 years old (21 May 1983)

Location
(15222)
Aruba (Other)

http://www.bingbox.com/bangbus69



If memory serves me, Sara Mansur was Jan van der Straaten's secretary.

[klaasend]

[klaasend]

Kermit - there is Luis E. Mansur(Jossy's brother) and then there is Jossy's son Luis Mansur (either his son or nephew).  The one arrested today is 63yrs old.

[Kermit]

Marcor's reply:

Sharon, I think Bondia was trying to convince people that the man holding the cloth was one of Jossy Mansur's relatives.  There is no love lost between Julia Renfro and Jossy Mansur.  Frankly, I do not believe a word that Bondia/Julia says as she has been known to deliberately speak lies to mislead and confuse people.



karen
Scared Monkey
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
Location: fl
   
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
WOW..pos is outta chicago, right? & eric is a mansur, right? ck this out!! all chicago!!
CORPORATION FILE DETAIL REPORT
Entity Name MANSUR INTERESTS, LTD. File Number


 Attorney Lincoln Gomez  escorted by his baby sister - rumor has it his new girlfriend is a young, aspiring cat walker; John Chemali Jr., Damilice Mansur, Evelyn Wever, Lalo Croes and cousin Maryann, Michael Saladin, Humphrey Odor and the cast of Shhhhhh . . . Don’t Tell Mama . . .
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html


Mr. Carlo Mansur of the Aruba Motorsports Foundation – Aruba plans to move full speed ahead in creating a venue which would draw major race events, along with thousands of race enthusiasts.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter28.html


Members of the Strategic Communications Task Force     
   
Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
sergemansur@yahoo.com
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
william.carson@cmbnv.com
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

The Colombian newsmagazine Semana reported that representatives of Philip Morris's Colombian distributors, the Aruba-based Mansur family, met with Ernesto Samper during his 1994 presidential campaign and gave him more than $500,000. The Conservative Party of current President Andres Pastrana has ties to the industry too: Among several top officials with links to Philip Morris is the company's longtime lobbyist and attorney, Martha Lucia Ramirez, now minister of foreign trade.
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020506&s=schapiro


1. The authors of the communication are Luis Emilio Mansur and Jossy Mehsen Mansur, Dutch citizens who are residents of Aruba. They claim to be victims of violations by the Kingdom of the Netherlands of their rights under articles 2 and 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The victims are represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona of The Hague, the Netherlands and Mr. John H. Van der Kuyp of Oranjestad, Aruba.
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

[Kermit]

Kermit - there is Luis E. Mansur(Jossy's brother) and then there is Jossy's son Luis Mansur (either his son or nephew).  The one arrested today is 63yrs old.

Yeah. Pretty interesting. I wonder if that is his son luis and the bangabus stuff.

[klaasend]

Kermit - there is Luis E. Mansur(Jossy's brother) and then there is Jossy's son Luis Mansur (either his son or nephew).  The one arrested today is 63yrs old.

Yeah. Pretty interesting. I wonder if that is his son luis and the bangabus stuff.

Don't know.  There are plenty of Mansur's to go around just like Croe's

[klaasend]

H.R.M.O. (41 aña) - I'm wondering if this is an Oduber 
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña)
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

[Kermit]

MIAMI FL  D
MANSUR, LUIS MIGUEL
972 NW 106TH AVE CIR.


Federal Inmate Locator:
1. ALEX MANSUR   00646-748 47 White M 05-14-1998     RELEASED

1. ERIC MANSUR 00647-748 46 White M 05-14-1998     RELEASED

Apparently released the same day as brother Alex.

June 11, 2005

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body
However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

grande Says:
July 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 am
“On September 20 2005, MSNBCtelevision news journalist Rita Cosby interviewed an FBI agent who identified Posner as a convicted felon with alleged organized crime ties. Posner’s casino, the Excelsior, has been implicated in the Natalee Holloway disappearance.”

Michael is also the owner of Brickel Bay Beach Club in Aruba, as well as, multiple online gambling sites affiliated with the Excelsior Casino. Also registered in the same office is Aruba Aloe with Luis Posner being a registered officer. The Posner’s also have business interests in Curacao and the Aruba Free Zone along with Jossy Mansur and Co.
“Curaçao’s major container port is St. Annabaai. The major food wholesalers are Consales, J.P. Maal, Posner’s Agencies, and C. Winkel and Zomen”



County Clerk records outline the various transactions the Mansur’s and Posner’s have made in the Miami as well Plantation, Florida.

444 Brickell Ave.
Is the business address for Posner, Bang Bus, Ernesto (freddy's brother)
and Jossy Mansur.

701 Brickell is Aruba Aloe.

Mr and Mrs Mansur and there beautiful daughters were glad to introduce on Monday 18 th of May to Aruba their new HOOTERS in the high rise area, right in front of the Hyatt Regency Resort.

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/24-05-05hooters/pag5.htm


tony smith Said:
2:19 am
Ladies and gents this is bigger than big…....... Good is fighting evil on a higher level than ghostbusters…........This is on GODS level ( seems there are no more true believers left )........Why don’t we all spend our energy on praying for a positive outcome for Natalee and her Parents….........P.S. video of the F16 flybys over Aruba will be available at www.aru-bay.com…............

http://exposetheleft.com/wp-mobile.php?p=2026&more=1
www.aru-bay has got it right on i think…........ Go see the new video and forum for the full…..but in short…..If the ocean is right there it is super easy to roll the body in the ocean so why all this pondparanoia?????and did you know the diario is aruba’s national enquirer and the mansur family was extradited to the USA for….......find it at www.aru-bay.com
Comment by tony smith July 28, 2005 @ 11:18 pm


****LUIS A. MANSUR**********************

Name: MANSUR, LUIS ARMANDO
DOB: 04/18/1969
State Case#: 132006CF0203410001XX
Date Filed: 06/23/2006
Hearing Date: 07/13/2006
Courtroom: REGJB-JUSTICE BUILDING, ROOM#:7-2
Address: 1351 N.W. 12 ST
Judge: PEREZ, JORGE

Charge: ***********L&L CHLD***************

***********************FELONY***********************

Defense Attorney: KAHN, ROY

Comment by grande | July 11, 2006, 11:57 am
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/10/aruban-tourism-different-month-same-results-february-march-down-significantly/

[Kermit]

Kermit - there is Luis E. Mansur(Jossy's brother) and then there is Jossy's son Luis Mansur (either his son or nephew).  The one arrested today is 63yrs old.

Yeah. Pretty interesting. I wonder if that is his son luis and the bangabus stuff.

Don't know.  There are plenty of Mansur's to go around just like Croe's

LOL - it's a maze.

[Kermit]

H.R.M.O. (41 aña) - I'm wondering if this is an Oduber 
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña)
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Are they that old?

The pictures I have seem like they are younger.

[klaasend]

H.R.M.O. (41 aña) - I'm wondering if this is an Oduber 
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña)
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Are they that old?

The pictures I have seem like they are younger.

Yep, according to 24ora

[Kermit]

Miss Piggy is nagging me, I mean calling me to come watch the bachelor show with her. Just what I need.

see ya later.

[klaasend]

Nite Kermit

[klaasend]

CLUB ARIAS - ARUBA
Address:  123K Savaneta, Aruba (property owner Astrid van Rijn)
http://www.clubarias.com/index2.html

Club Arias
Owned by:

Arias G. Schwarz
Boca Raton, FL

PRIVATE PARTIES:





NOTE:

Veronica Posner SCHWARZ  - Aruba

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:ZpJmAndAfMsJ:runraceresults.com/Gender.asp%3FEv%3DRCMY2006%26Rc%3D3%26Tp%3DF+%22schwarz%22+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

[2NJSons_Mom]

Well, well, well.....Lala's and others will have some questions ready in a few hours...

I'm not surprised...What will turn up next?

[klaasend]

So what do we have?   A link to Lorenzo and Club Arias private VIP parties.  We also have a link to Posner and Swartz (the owner or Club Arias).

[Observer]

So what do we have?   A link to Lorenzo and Club Arias private VIP parties.  We also have a link to Posner and Swartz (the owner or Club Arias).

That's a very intersting find  Must be one of the other Posner's since Michael is listed as having no children and married to Robin Abergel..I have always wondered what his relationship is with the other Posner's in Aruba?

[klaasend]

So what do we have?   A link to Lorenzo and Club Arias private VIP parties.  We also have a link to Posner and Swartz (the owner or Club Arias).

That's a very intersting find  Must be one of the other Posner's since Michael is listed as having no children and married to Robin Abergel..I have always wondered what his relationship is with the other Posner's in Aruba?

******* - you are correct, probably one of the other Posners.  Still, the link to Club Arias and Lorenzo is very interresting.