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AZLady
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May 29, 2007, 12:34:21 PM »
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
I saw a very bright international attorney, Eastern Indian on TV one day, who said it can be tried in Alabama. I know nothing about law myself but I asked one of my attorney brothers from Florida, and he said it could but it would be very delicate and there would be many barriers to cross, but it is possible. He, himself, is no longer a criminal lawyer because he came to the realization that 99.9% of the accused are criminal and the law does not allow enough punishment. He went back to school and started prosecuting fraud, particularly insurance fraud. There was a ripe field for it in Florida at the time.
I saw the same bright attorney on TV and heard the same thing you did.
I did some research on the web on this very thing. Granted, all I had access to were the websites and articles written by international attorneys, but I did get the impression that the case could be tried in Alabama if the attorney general of the state instigated the process and carried it through. Most definitely it is possible.
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May 29, 2007, 12:34:30 PM »
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by 10061906 on the front page of SM:
If Natalee were buried with another body: this would be my guess.
http://www.mementomori.com/05137.html
Jalitza Marie Wever
21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005
Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA
I agree. If Natalee was put in a crypt, this would be a likely one to look at.
Klaas wasn't one of the crypts that were broken into had the name Wever on it.
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May 29, 2007, 12:37:41 PM »
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by 10061906 on the front page of SM:
If Natalee were buried with another body: this would be my guess.
http://www.mementomori.com/05137.html
Jalitza Marie Wever
21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005
Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA
I agree. If Natalee was put in a crypt, this would be a likely one to look at.
Klaas wasn't one of the crypts that were broken into had the name Wever on it.
Perhaps this was one of the burial sites that Dompig was referencing when he said she was moved more than once.
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it looks like a skirt that is really shorts
not that im an expert on womens clothing
Skorts.
A great idea that seems to come and go.....
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May 29, 2007, 12:38:20 PM »
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That's what I've been saying Tiger!
We have race tracks, dog tracks, casinos and 'casino boats'.
Oh yeah -- and all the private parties all the big rollers who visit South Beach and the Hard Rock have arranged for them.
And that's just the legal stuff.
And Brickell Ave has all the international banks.
South Florida -- a money launderer's paradise.
But most of us are just normal folk who love the weather
Did you mention drugs?
Not sure what you mean LilPuma.
I think a big chunk of the money that 'needs' laundering comes from drugs and prostitution sales. If that's what you mean?
trafficking drugs, sex and money.
That's the trifecta Tyler.
Still, most of us that live here are just normal folk who just love the weather
I thought Lil Puma was saying we love the weather and the drugs
Really -- Miami Vice was jsut a TV program
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Tylergal
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May 29, 2007, 12:39:38 PM »
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it looks like a skirt that is really shorts
not that im an expert on womens clothing
Skorts.
A great idea that seems to come and go.....
Thank God it goes . . . . most unattractive on middle-aged and older women who chose to wear them in public.
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Port Valerie
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This is from a news story about the Madelein McCann case. If cell phone tracking could be done with this much precision in 2002, couldn't it have been done in 2005 to determine where exactly all those mopes were on the night of the 3oth and the following days? Y'd think so.
"The mobile telephone tracing technique was used to collect evidence that helped to convict Ian Huntley for the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in 2002.
"Trails are created by silent transmissions sent out by every mobile phone even when not in use. Each signal is picked up by masts, which create a timed computer log of the handset’s movements. By measuring the strength of the signal, the location of the handset can often be narrowed to an area as small as a few square yards."
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Sharon, I totally understand. No state is without its criminal element and no country, and the reason for California and Florida to have more than their fare share, is perhaps, the oceanic access to come and go so easily.
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May 29, 2007, 12:43:38 PM »
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Most southern girls are taught how to sit, too, and if we don't do it right, out mothers beat us with the hairbrush!
I am only half kidding.
We beat our sons with hairbrushes also for running stop signs.
Yes, we do, among other things.
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This is from a news story about the Madelein McCann case. If cell phone tracking could be done with this much precision in 2002, couldn't it have been done in 2005 to determine where exactly all those mopes were on the night of the 3oth and the following days? Y'd think so.
"The mobile telephone tracing technique was used to collect evidence that helped to convict Ian Huntley for the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in 2002.
"Trails are created by silent transmissions sent out by every mobile phone even when not in use. Each signal is picked up by masts, which create a timed computer log of the handset’s movements. By measuring the strength of the signal, the location of the handset can often be narrowed to an area as small as a few square yards."
I heard this discussed (I think by Kimberly Guilfoy) who stated it is not exact and there was someone prosecuted (I cannot remember where, but think it was California) based on this technology which was too unexact, and that person later turned out to be innocent. In 2007, it was stated it to be more exact). I think that was about 2-3 weeks ago I heard that.
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Most southern girls are taught how to sit, too, and if we don't do it right, out mothers beat us with the hairbrush!
I am only half kidding.
I totally understand what you are saying, Anna.
And I can recall in PE class at school that if the girls didn't sit in a ladylike manner, even in their gym shorts, the PE teacher would order them in the loudest possible voice to "sit like a lady!"
Yes and usually she preferred a magaphone or bullhorn to do just that. You had to sit the same in gym shorts as though wearing a skirt.
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Thanks, Tyler. I remember we had a big long discussion about cell phone signals early on. I never followed the technicalities of what everyone was saying.
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May 29, 2007, 12:48:52 PM »
I asked Shizaru and he said yes, the translation is correct.
In his 6/13 PV Joran does say that he
could
have told Freddy the HI story on monday.
Well, if Joran admits that he
could
have told Freddy the story on monday afternoon/evening then it follows that he
knew
Natalee was missing.
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And all Joran had to do was be using Sander's or anybody else's cell phone.
Trace would be on the phone not the person and he has admitted stealing his brothers phone before.
Easy enought to steal one some place along the way or did Joran have two to start with? Did he make a practice of just taking others and using them?
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Just when you think you have heard it all, the Netherlands gets even sicker, what a disgusting place...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276043,00.html
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Reply #155 on:
May 29, 2007, 12:52:12 PM »
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Thanks, Tyler. I remember we had a big long discussion about cell phone signals early on. I never followed the technicalities of what everyone was saying.
The same reason that On-Star can find you...built in GPS.
I could never explain it as well as our Metro did one time but I think it's all in the GPS.....
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Reply #156 on:
May 29, 2007, 12:52:19 PM »
Quote from: "igsigs"
I asked Shizaru and he said yes, the translation is correct.
In his 6/13 PV Joran does say that he
could
have told Freddy the HI story on monday.
Well, if Joran admits that he
could
have told Freddy the story on monday afternoon/evening then it follows that he
knew
Natalee was missing.
Yes, he should be saying that it would have been impossible because he didn't yet know Natalee was missing but he did know and we know how he knew.
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Off to work and lurk. . . .
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Port Valerie, the issue with WHY there isn't more concrete cell phone tracing is likely due to the one fact that Digicel is the provider who is also Charles Croe's distribution network for his company. Who trusts CCroes to push for accountable tracing/reporting or worse, to use his connection to Digicel to suppress such info? I don't trust CC one iota.
Tamikosmom-
I agree Joran is who he is today due to parental lack of care and discipline or even morality,
but
at what point since we consider 18 year olds 'adults' in this world does he choose to obey the law? If choice isn't part of that equation then every child from a broken home or who has had hard times has an excuse for criminal behavior?
Joran is old enough to know what he's doing, we're seeing that all in writing now in his hand and it's infuriating people - as it should.
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May 29, 2007, 01:08:47 PM »
Quote from: "igsigs"
I asked Shizaru and he said yes, the translation is correct.
In his 6/13 PV Joran does say that he
could
have told Freddy the HI story on monday.
Well, if Joran admits that he
could
have told Freddy the story on monday afternoon/evening then it follows that he
knew
Natalee was missing.
.... and he knew that Natalee Holloway was dead.
Why else would Joran think that following his tennis lesson on the evening of May 30, 2005 that Natalee could possibly still be lying by the Fisherman's Hut?
Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people.
I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there.
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