Lively Case Discussion #548 11/26 - 11/27/2006

[Carnut]

Maybe the Sloots staged the burglary to discredit deVries and prevent his using information that he got from legitimate sources with the threat that they would say he stole it from Joran's apartment??

Good for him to realize the kind of people with which he is dealing in this abrupt manner.

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Wait a minute, the breakin was an apartment in Holland where JVDS was living with a roommate.

The breakin only took JVDS stuff and left the roommates stuff alone.

Exactly how did the burglar know what belonged to Joran and what belonged to the roommate?  

Sounds like an inside job coupled with that dazzling Sloot thinking yet again.

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Possibly a dorm room/apartment, each guy has a side of his own?

Or two bedroom apartment, each guy has own bedroom?

[Carnut]

Anyhow, not concerned about if there was a breakin staged or not, just thought it was interesting that the breakin was a Holland apartment and not the aruba home apartment.

[Kat_Gram]

But we are being told it was Natalee's roommate who told the police that she was using cocaine.

Wait for the translation. That isn't the way it was posted by Mitral Valve.
Two things : Drinking. Drugs
The roommate about the drinking. That we knew about .
Witnesses about the drugs.  Who ? Boeti ? GVC ? I do not believe the drug thing.

[Anna]

Maybe the Sloots staged the burglary to discredit deVries and prevent his using information that he got from legitimate sources with the threat that they would say he stole it from Joran's apartment??

Good for him to realize the kind of people with which he is dealing in this abrupt manner.

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Wait a minute, the breakin was an apartment in Holland where JVDS was living with a roommate.

The breakin only took JVDS stuff and left the roommates stuff alone.

Exactly how did the burglar know what belonged to Joran and what belonged to the roommate?  

Sounds like an inside job coupled with that dazzling Sloot thinking yet again.

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Possibly a dorm room/apartment, each guy has a side of his own?

Or two bedroom apartment, each guy has own bedroom?

Possibly but then who's to say the roommate would not have made back up copies, etc.  For some reason I am seeing cramped dorm rooms instead of spacious private bedrooms.  But could be they had separate BR's.  That would help for sure.

[klaasend]

Here's an exchange at FOB between Daniel and Medleyrelay about the photoshopped picture:

medleyrelay wrote:

Daniel what difference does it make -- kids have things on their computers - I find the whole reason why Joran has some photoshopped picture oh so very much NOT the ISSUE here - the fact is that for some reason it was on Joran's computer and Peter is the one that must have broke in - or his people did - or some zealous sleuther did - and gave it to Peter and he then showed it to Joran. It is typical of to try to muddy the waters by talking about the photoshopped picture -that is very unimportant!

Daniel wrote:

You could not be more wrong. I won't repeat what I wrote about De Vries, but you may want to re-read it.

That picture was made on January 25/26 of this year, at Joran's request, and he was willing to pay 200 euros for it, for a purpose.

I am quite certain that the photo was not stolen by or for De Vries. He would never do that, or have someone else do that for him. He obtained it from the person who made it, and whose indentity he was so careful to hide.

I am also quite certain of the reason why Joran wanted to have that photo made, and if Anita would like to know too, she's very welcome to contact me privately.

I haven't been participating much in these forums lately, but I think you know me as someone who for the past 18 months has always been very critical of any misinformation, lies, hypocrisy and unfairness in this case, regardless of whose side it came from.

[carpe noctem]

reputable reporter would burglarize Joran's apartment?

anyone that believes this..........


ATTENTION ALL MORONS AND IDIOTS

PLEASE, STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE


you need HELP

please GET HELP
 

ROFL Robots

[Kat_Gram]

well, good one for Daniel....

[robots]

sloot way of thinking goes like this

keep in mind that you have to think like a sloppy sloot that lies RIGHT in your face without ever blinking an eye

WARNING - this is disturbing but imagine ANITA SLOOT talking  and try not to think of her blouse when reading this...


HERE IT IS

"oh, hello YES, we are the sloot family and joran is our son and yes he is a delicious boy, of that foolishness in the news about him having to do with the missing girl ??  that is just nonsense, JORAN knew her from years ago they were great pals BUT were only friends more like brother and sister, he would do anything to protect her from the evil Kalpoe brothers and the likes of them... heck, let me show you a picture when joran and her met a couple years ago..i think i have it here somewhere
let me check my slooooooty purse,,hold on for a delicious moment"

"YES, see here is my delicious son with natalee in a photo"

i told you and warned you it was GRAPHIC

[Carnut]

Yep, that pic and it's circumstances of creation are really strange.

Is Daniel implying he knows why it was created?

[robots]

i think it was a way to CONVINCE people that have not followed the case
very well.. that JORAN is innocent as fresh snow......

"SEE, here is a PICTURE OF the DELICIOUS ONE with Natalee from 2 years ago"


nice try ANITA,

you are a failure

[BTgirl]

Getting back to the mattress for a moment, I do have a general theory about what might have happened. J2K could have taken Natalee to the lighthouse area with the intention of raping her. At some point she escaped and left blood on the rocks that were painted. She was placed back in Deepak's car. Joran panicked, took her to his house, and asked Paulus what to do. She was placed somewhere in the house besides Joran's apartment. At some point Natalee expired from her injuries. Paulus made arrangements to dispose of her body and involve the authorities in the coverup. She could have bled on a mattress in the house, and that mattress had to be disposed of. The authorities searched only Joran's apartment because Natalee had been elsewhere in the house.

It's only my theory, but it ties together a lot of loose ends for me in my own mind.

[klaasend]

Yep, that pic and it's circumstances of creation are really strange.

Is Daniel implying he knows why it was created?

Yes but he hasn't devulged that reason yet.  Not sure if he will either in an open forum.

[Kat_Gram]

This posted by Daniel at FOB - he was going back and forth with Moonshadows about De Vries and who broke into Joran's apartment in Aruba.  Daniel does not believe De Vries would do that and Moonshadow claims to know he did for a fact.

Daniel wrote:

I am still waiting, Moonshadows.

I have good reasons to believe that the person who did the photoshop job was De Vries' source for both the photo and the e-mail that he published tonight.

And again, De Vries is a serious, credible, legitimate and reputable journalist. A lot of people hate him because he likes to stir the kettle and because he has repeatedly exposed scandals and incompetence in the Dutch justice system. He's not part of the politically correct elite that runs our little nation, and so he meets with a lot of resistance, cheap criticism and ridicule just as troublemakers like Fortuyn and Van Gogh did. Fortunately that doesn't discourage him from doing his job.

Jeez, these people think that anyone who does anything that might make their heroes look bad is breaking the law.  Like filming a cop.  Or knocking on a door.  Now they think a reputable reporter would burglarize Joran's apartment?  Nah.  There might be some crazy in the Netherlands who thinks like Robots but acts more like a Joran.  Hates the guy.  Wants to see him go down for the count.  I'd look for a crazy who hates Joran.  Might not even be about Natalee.  Maybe it's a relative of some Dutch or Aruban girl that can't remember her evening with Joran.

Moon KNOWS... BULLCRAP. ..
Maybe someone wanted to solve the case and broke into Joran's apartment. They have fingerprints and footprints.
Moon is another medley/Julia whack job

[robots]

This posted by Daniel at FOB - he was going back and forth with Moonshadows about De Vries and who broke into Joran's apartment in Aruba.  Daniel does not believe De Vries would do that and Moonshadow claims to know he did for a fact.

Daniel wrote:

I am still waiting, Moonshadows.

I have good reasons to believe that the person who did the photoshop job was De Vries' source for both the photo and the e-mail that he published tonight.

And again, De Vries is a serious, credible, legitimate and reputable journalist. A lot of people hate him because he likes to stir the kettle and because he has repeatedly exposed scandals and incompetence in the Dutch justice system. He's not part of the politically correct elite that runs our little nation, and so he meets with a lot of resistance, cheap criticism and ridicule just as troublemakers like Fortuyn and Van Gogh did. Fortunately that doesn't discourage him from doing his job.

Jeez, these people think that anyone who does anything that might make their heroes look bad is breaking the law.  Like filming a cop.  Or knocking on a door.  Now they think a reputable reporter would burglarize Joran's apartment?  Nah.  There might be some crazy in the Netherlands who thinks like Robots but acts more like a Joran.  Hates the guy.  Wants to see him go down for the count.  I'd look for a crazy who hates Joran.  Might not even be about Natalee.  Maybe it's a relative of some Dutch or Aruban girl that can't remember her evening with Joran.

Moon KNOWS... BULLCRAP. ..
Maybe someone wanted to solve the case and broke into Joran's apartment. They have fingerprints and footprints.
Moon is another medley/Julia whack job

MOON knows nothing

you are correct

[robots]

wonder if ANITA thinks the idea of JORAN paying for a picture was DELICIOUS or SICK ?

[Kat_Gram]

Getting back to the mattress for a moment, I do have a general theory about what might have happened. J2K could have taken Natalee to the lighthouse area with the intention of raping her. At some point she escaped and left blood on the rocks that were painted. She was placed back in Deepak's car. Joran panicked, took her to his house, and asked Paulus what to do. She was placed somewhere in the house besides Joran's apartment. At some point Natalee expired from her injuries. Paulus made arrangements to dispose of her body and involve the authorities in the coverup. She could have bled on a mattress in the house, and that mattress had to be disposed of. The authorities searched only Joran's apartment because Natalee had been elsewhere in the house.

It's only my theory, but it ties together a lot of loose ends for me in my own mind.

She could have been placed in Joran's apt. There was plenty of time to switch the bedding with the other kid's rooms. There was too much effort put into NOT conducting a search of the rest of the house. Ben King was in Joran's apartment when the search took place. Since when is someone with his position in the justice department ( head of KIA ) allowed to interfere ? ps...  the washer / dryer is in the main house.

[ala_gunslinger]

Getting back to the mattress for a moment, I do have a general theory about what might have happened. J2K could have taken Natalee to the lighthouse area with the intention of raping her. At some point she escaped and left blood on the rocks that were painted. She was placed back in Deepak's car. Joran panicked, took her to his house, and asked Paulus what to do. She was placed somewhere in the house besides Joran's apartment. At some point Natalee expired from her injuries. Paulus made arrangements to dispose of her body and involve the authorities in the coverup. She could have bled on a mattress in the house, and that mattress had to be disposed of. The authorities searched only Joran's apartment because Natalee had been elsewhere in the house.

It's only my theory, but it ties together a lot of loose ends for me in my own mind.

Hey ya'll!

Good job!  Yes I DO check on ya every day.

BT, they did find this mattress, it was part of the initial cover/frame up.

[BTgirl]

Getting back to the mattress for a moment, I do have a general theory about what might have happened. J2K could have taken Natalee to the lighthouse area with the intention of raping her. At some point she escaped and left blood on the rocks that were painted. She was placed back in Deepak's car. Joran panicked, took her to his house, and asked Paulus what to do. She was placed somewhere in the house besides Joran's apartment. At some point Natalee expired from her injuries. Paulus made arrangements to dispose of her body and involve the authorities in the coverup. She could have bled on a mattress in the house, and that mattress had to be disposed of. The authorities searched only Joran's apartment because Natalee had been elsewhere in the house.

It's only my theory, but it ties together a lot of loose ends for me in my own mind.

Hey ya'll!

Good job!  Yes I DO check on ya every day.

BT, they did find this mattress, it was part of the initial cover/frame up.

Hi Gunslinger. Nice to see you. Do you mean the mattress with the "dog's" blood on it?

[Frijole]

Getting back to the mattress for a moment, I do have a general theory about what might have happened. J2K could have taken Natalee to the lighthouse area with the intention of raping her. At some point she escaped and left blood on the rocks that were painted. She was placed back in Deepak's car. Joran panicked, took her to his house, and asked Paulus what to do. She was placed somewhere in the house besides Joran's apartment. At some point Natalee expired from her injuries. Paulus made arrangements to dispose of her body and involve the authorities in the coverup. She could have bled on a mattress in the house, and that mattress had to be disposed of. The authorities searched only Joran's apartment because Natalee had been elsewhere in the house.

It's only my theory, but it ties together a lot of loose ends for me in my own mind.

Hey ya'll!

Good job!  Yes I DO check on ya every day.

BT, they did find this mattress, it was part of the initial cover/frame up.

Wow.. look who showed up!!  Good to see ya cowboy!  Long time now see.

[Frijole]

Anyone hear from Widget?  I thought of him during the show because he was also one that said from early on that the Dutch were behind this.  Surprised he didn't show up today... shouting out.. HI Widget!