Lively Case Discussion #548 11/26 - 11/27/2006

[Tylergal]

Look at that picture, and tell me if this is a dark-haired male sitting behind these two girls.

[klaasend]

Klaas:  The picture is
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Natalee052905.jpg

Thanks Leslie I found it  

[IBE]

Yes, Tyler and Anna,


I didn't go to the site but I remember talk about it on  this blog or under the Code Talkers Thread.

It was "so far out" that we poo pooed it; but with all that's happened since, it doesn't seem that "far out"

Hi you all!

Love,

IBE

[Tylergal]

WHY WOULD JORAN WATCH PORN AFTER COMMITTING A MURDER?  

A lust murder is a homicide in which the offender mutilates the sexual organs or areas of the victim's body. The mutilation of the victim may include evisceration and/or displacement of the genitalia. It also includes such activities as posing and propping of the body in different positions, generally sexual ones; insertion of objects into bodily orifices; anthropophagy (the consumption of human blood and/or flesh) and necrophilia (the performing of sex acts on a human corpse).

A lust murder begins with the obsessive compulsions of the offender. Generally, they have a sexual obsession with their victims, and organized lust murderers may stalk their victims for weeks or months before the actual killing. The signature component of the crime, that which names it a lust murder, is the killer acting out their fantasies with their victims and the bodies of those victims. Lust murder is a common feature in the criminal careers of serial killers.

The term is also used in a related but slightly different sense, to refer to an individual who gains sexual arousal from the act of committing murder, or has persistent sexual fantasies of committing murder, even if the murder itself does not involve the genital mutilation or other characteristics cited above. As such, it is a type of paraphilia.

[klaasend]

Look at that picture, and tell me if this is a dark-haired male sitting behind these two girls.

Yep

[Tylergal]

Does it look like Tater Head to anyone else?

[Kat_Gram]

Does anyone have that picture of Natalee in C & c's earlier in the evening with one of the girls ? She sure as heck did not look drunk or drugged to me. I want to ask Klaasend to put it on the FP on this blog. For the record so to speak, for lurkers and ppl from the NL who just might pop in. And then back out.

Only I can't actually post it on the front page, I'll have to see if Red will do it tomorrow.  I can post it in the comment area as a link.

TY. I just wanted the picture here for ppl who did not see it before...
ppl who did not follow this as closely as we did. That picture speaks for itself. You are a sweetie for doing that ! !

[Tylergal]

Joran's little brother Val or his gf once posted that Joran cut off Natalee's head "above the eyebrows" on his MySpace or tickle site very early.

Very odd thing to say.

Very odd people the Sloots.

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I remember that, Anna, it was in early to mid June.

[klaasend]

Does it look like Tater Head to anyone else?

Yeah, it kindof does

[nonesuche]

Does it look like Tater Head to anyone else?

I have missed too much I guess, Tater Head?    

[Tylergal]

I would like to know if it is and if so where the picture was made and time. I think that would be interesting to know if it is and if we could ascertain from that if he was staying in close proximity to Natalee.

[IBE]

Tyler,

I have a small monitor so thanks to the person who showed the person behind them.

Does it look like the dark haired man who was sitting at the bar staring up at Natalee who was supposedly on the bar or dancing or something above him? The shortsleves look familiar.

I think someone referred to him as the "dark haired Marine.

What a web this has weaved!

Monkeys, keep up the Good Work!

IBE

[klaasend]

Tyler,

I have a small monitor so thanks to the person who showed the person behind them.

Does it look like the dark haired man who was sitting at the bar staring up at Natalee who was supposedly on the bar or dancing or something above him? The shortsleves look familiar.

I think someone referred to him as the "dark haired Marine.

What a web this has weaved!

Monkeys, keep up the Good Work!

IBE

No, his hair is to long to be the "dark haired Marine".  Looks like it could be Joran though.

[Leslie]

Why would Joran want to make up a picture of himself,  somber looking and standing in front of an unsmiling Natalee who has her arm raised and clenched?  Is he implying that Natalee is about to physically hurt him behind his back?  Why did he choose the King of Dingiling picture?  Is there something very Freudian about this creation?
Joran seems to have too much pocket money for an unemployed student and the freedom to spend it in any crazy way he wants.

[nonesuche]

I do wonder if it's occurred to Meds and Sickalee yet that the hacker Joran sent the photo too, might have contacted De Vries of his/her own free will?

Klaas at those prices you surely are in the wrong business, you just need to do business with stupid criminals if you can stand the clientele!!

[klaasend]

I do wonder if it's occurred to Meds and Sickalee yet that the hacker Joran sent the photo too, might have contacted De Vries of his/her own free will?

Klaas at those prices you surely are in the wrong business, you just need to do business with stupid criminals if you can stand the clientele!!

I know, that's what I told Red!  I'm going to start charging for my work, lol  

[Anna]

I would like to know if it is and if so where the picture was made and time. I think that would be interesting to know if it is and if we could ascertain from that if he was staying in close proximity to Natalee.

No, it is one of the MB kids I do believe.  Wearing a solid white shirt but follow the arm out and see all the tourist bracelets on it.

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[Kat_Gram]

Why would Joran want to make up a picture of himself,  somber looking and standing in front of an unsmiling Natalee who has her arm raised and clenched?  Is he implying that Natalee is about to physically hurt him behind his back?  Why did he choose the King of Dingiling picture?  Is there something very Freudian about this creation?
Joran seems to have too much pocket money for an unemployed student and the freedom to spend it in any crazy way he wants.

This is the kind of stuff that is in the Son of Sam Story or the Night Stalker. I would need 8 years of med school to figure this out. Plus, he goes to the Mariott with Fabienne ?  Tres mal de tete.

[Leslie]

I lightened the picture and the tourist bracelets are on the left arm of the brunette female pushing her hair back.

[klaasend]

I would like to know if it is and if so where the picture was made and time. I think that would be interesting to know if it is and if we could ascertain from that if he was staying in close proximity to Natalee.

No, it is one of the MB kids I do believe.  Wearing a solid white shirt but follow the arm out and see all the tourist bracelets on it.

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That's the girls arm you are seeing with the tourist bracelets.  Even if it were they guys arm, we've seen Joran in photos with those bracelets on in the Spring Break photo.

Not a blue one, but a yellow one: