Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[Nut44x4]

Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

[Anna]

I hope this link does NOT say what I think it says.  Ran some through Google but any help translating would be appreciated.  Not word for word, too long, just the substance of the article.

I think it says Joran can expect to receive money for his time in jail and maybe sue deVries.

Well. . . wouldn't he have to show his face first to do that, lol!




RTL reporter and Dutch lawyer Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops said Joran can get cashing after Peter R. de Vries his show.


Mr. Knoops: I think his case is over and out, unless there come a very convincing evidence at the table, differently than a confession of Joran van der Sloot.


RTL report told: Joran can cashing for 100 days detention, it amount is 95 euro (142 dollar) per day for detention. BUT!


Mr. Knoops said: It comes frequently for that the amount raises going to 150 euro (225 dollar) to 200 euro (300 dollar) per day, but sometimes higher then 200 euro (300 dollar) also.


RTL reporter: But also he can get a claim lay down by SBS6 and Peter r. de Vries for damaging the privacy law and security. Joran is since the TV show not going outside the house and is still gone still hiding.

Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops was involved by maintaining from Wilco Viets en Herman du Bois in the Puttense murder case.
They get first 10 years a jailsentence, but Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops get them out the jail over 7 years stay in the jail.
The both suspect getting free, and where for sure not the suspects. Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops did ask a claim for 4,4 million euro (6,6 million dollar) for both of the suspects but, they get a cashing total for 1,8 million euros (2,7 million dollar) for both. 900.000 euro (1,350.000 dollar) for one person.

This claims is was very right, because they are for sure not the suspects in this rape and murder case, of this female.
Peter was involved in this case. But, again without results.

http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/system/video/html/components/actueel/editienl/miMedia/2008/week07/vr_joran.avi_plain.xml

[Sue]

Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

that is what I want to hear sue his ass off

[Lala'sMom]

Did the Kalpoes meet that 5 day requirement for submitting those documents to Dr. Phil? 

[littletxlady]

The last paragraph pretty well sums things up for me
 JMO

http://therealarubatruth.blogspot.com/

Saturday, February 09, 2008
New Protests Coming Up This Month

This time the protesters have anti-Aruba freebies to hand out: I'm told that totes, pens, and magnets will be available...and I do believe that the organizers will be handing out Boycott Aruba on Spring Break fliers, too.

The first protest will be at the Seaport Hotel and World Trade Center in Boston (200 Seaport Blvd) on February 22-24, 2008. The second will be in New York City at the Jacob. K. Javits Convention Center (655 W. 34th Street) the following weekend.

Please note that the ATA is a presenting sponsor of the Boston show. It is very important that we embarrass them in Boston!

Let me remind people of a few things, both in the U.S. and Aruba:

~ Nobody can stop us from protesting, not today, not ten years from now. Unlike Aruba, where polis dispersed a labor protest just last year, the U.S. is a free country where peaceful demonstrations are commonplace and a protected right;

~ Nobody can make Americans come to Aruba as opposed to the many other Caribbean islands that are exactly the same as Aruba (except those other places are cheaper and less desolate);

~ Joran may be persona non grata in Aruba now, and his father may possibly lose a lot of his
"Dutch privilege" committee positions in Aruba, but that doesn't help Natalee's family;

~ the Aruban people have still fail to hold their government responsible for the fact that corrupt, privileged Dutch scumbags still run the country and are still doing their part to protect their equally corrupt Dutch friends;

~ In fact, nothing has changed in Aruba. The same corrupt Dutch and the same corrupt MEP
are in charge, and the short-sighted and failed 'status aparte' treaty with Mother
Netherlands still allows for this corruption to continue unchallenged;

~ Aruba is still a hub for drug trafficking, offshore money laundering, and human trafficking;

~ Aruba's ruling party, the MEP, is still politically close to Venzuelan 'President' Hugo Chavez, the most outspoken anti-American Communist dictator in South America;

~ Key people who were aware of Natalee's disappearance in the first 48 hours, namely Gerold
Dompig, Dennis Jacobs, and Jan van der Straaten, have never been questioned by Dutch
authorities or investigated for any wrongdoing;

~ All of this has harmed the average Aruban far more than the fatcat hotel and casino owners,
the politicians, and the Netherlands. And yet the people who have the most to lose are still too blind to realize how crappy their elected officials are, and unwilling to do anything but cry, cry, cry;

~ We still don't know what happened to Natalee, by whose hand, or if it is even possible
to find this out and provide meaningful justice.


Finally, I have a message for poor, suicidal little innocent as a newborn weasel Joran: if you're not man enough to own up for what you did, at least to Natalee's family for their sake, then maybe it would be best for everyone if you weren't here....

[klaasend]

Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

Joran picked by Beth
Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.
   
She has previously lawyer Bram Moszkowicz approached. Moszkowicz examine whether Joran van der Sloot has been guilty of 'tort', on the basis of which he financially can be addressed, so that the lawyer said Friday in NOVA.

Her decision follows the decision of the Court on Curaçao that Joran van der Sloot will not be re-arrested in the Holloway case. According to the court, the programme of Peter R. De Vries not enough significant new evidence. The Public Prosecutor and the Court will not rule out that Joran has a severe personality disorder, which makes him less credible. The OM goes by investigating his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now a successful criminal therefore uncertain if Natalees mother, a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot start. When it comes to a procedure will be conducted in the Netherlands. Moszkowicz notes two facts as tort: the shock that Beth Twitty is being taken because they had knowledge of Jorans confessions in the program by Peter R. De Vries, and the concealment of the facts by Joran van der Sloot.

According to crime reporter Peter R. De Vries makes it an important opportunity.

The civil proceeding is separate from the criminal prosecution by the public prosecutor in Aruba. The probability that Joran criminal will be convicted eight Moszkowicz small. He considers the decision to non-detention by the court of the Dutch Antilles as a clue: "I think the criminal case at the end of runs. I say that I do not understand, or that I agree with it."

[Anna]

Well, part of the difference, IMO, is that at least PJ stood trial and a very lengthy one at that.

Joran can't even be arrested it seems.

No, our system is far from perfect but we are constantly seeking to improve it and to root out corruption.  We were told previously that Dutch judges are NEVER corrupt but we believe our lying eyes on that one.  ANYONE can be corrupt.

There are also concerns in this country about the conviction of the innocent.  One system is designed to let a hundred guilty go free rather than convict one innocent person.

But as no system is infallible in the first place, there have to be limits to even that concern.  That is where our jury system helps.  It requires not the opinion of one or even three judges but twelve members of one's peers all saying guilty.  This tends to reduce the likelihood of erroneous convictions for only one of the twelve can stop a guilty verdict.

And still mistakes are made but there is a certain number of those that a system just has to live with.  One can't let all guilty go free because of fear of wrongful conviction.  Reduce the odds of that happening as much as possible then live with the results.

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[klaasend]

[Anna]

Well, part of the difference, IMO, is that at least PJ stood trial and a very lengthy one at that.

Joran can't even be arrested it seems.

No, our system is far from perfect but we are constantly seeking to improve it and to root out corruption.  We were told previously that Dutch judges are NEVER corrupt but we believe our lying eyes on that one.  ANYONE can be corrupt.

There are also concerns in this country about the conviction of the innocent.  One system is designed to let a hundred guilty go free rather than convict one innocent person.

But as no system is infallible in the first place, there have to be limits to even that concern.  That is where our jury system helps.  It requires not the opinion of one or even three judges but twelve members of one's peers all saying guilty.  This tends to reduce the likelihood of erroneous convictions for only one of the twelve can stop a guilty verdict.

And still mistakes are made but there is a certain number of those that a system just has to live with.  One can't let all guilty go free because of fear of wrongful conviction.  Reduce the odds of that happening as much as possible then live with the results.

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Edit PJ to OJ please!

Yes, I am tired and already thinking of my jammies!!!

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[AZSunny]

I have a hypothetical question.

Joran had stated that he wanted enough money from suing the Aruban Government to buy a house in Spain. 

Since he is no longer 'welcome' in Aruban, and he feels his life is in danger in Holland, what if he moves to Spain declares himself a citizen, and lives there.  Could he then be extradited back to Aruba if they decide to file charges against him, or would he be safe in Spain.  What about Portugal?  Anyone know??

[Lala'sMom]

I have a hypothetical question.

Joran had stated that he wanted enough money from suing the Aruban Government to buy a house in Spain. 

Since he is no longer 'welcome' in Aruban, and he feels his life is in danger in Holland, what if he moves to Spain declares himself a citizen, and lives there.  Could he then be extradited back to Aruba if they decide to file charges against him, or would he be safe in Spain.  What about Portugal?  Anyone know??

Do they have any mafia in Spain?  What??  I was just asking...

[Anna]

Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

that is what I want to hear sue his ass off

Oh, and this one is another HOTTIE like deVries, maybe even better!  That is IF it is the one I am thinking of with similar name.  Hope so!

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[Frank]

How much more obvious is it that Aruba is washing their hands of the whole matter.

Closing the case and asking Paulus to leave.

Cowards.

[Bladerunner]

How much more obvious is it that Aruba is washing their hands of the whole matter.

Closing the case and asking Paulus to leave.

Cowards.

I'm catching up a little, what is the news related to Paulus?

[the big hammer]

This Is Exactly What JQK Did to OJ

klaasend writes: Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.

The standards of guilt in civil proceeding are far less arduous than in criminal.

JQK won the guilty civil verdict for the Brown family after his criminal acquittal, and OJ has been a pariah and broke ever since.

The discovery in this proceeding will be revealing, and all the names you know: van der Stratten, Jaansen, van der sloot (pa and ma), Freddie, Kalpoe, Carasquilla and bundles more will be deposed.  Check out JQK's NY filing -- every one of the points he makes in this devastating document has substantiation -- and add to that the filmed confession of jvds, as well as his inhuman imitation of a suffering and dying Natalee --

-- and the sloots can kiss their bank accounts, assets and property holdings good-bye.

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[ala_gunslinger]

OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks. 

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.

[Dihannah1]

I wonder how long it will take the Sloots to begin a lawsuit against Devries for defamation of character...

Defamation..
a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions.

I'd laugh but well,stranger things have happened...

Sadly,  I have no doubt, he is on top of there list of suits. Joran made that very clear, how they would make so much money off this!

[Bladerunner]

This Is Exactly What JQK Did to OJ

klaasend writes: Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.

The standards of guilt in civil proceeding are far less arduous than in criminal.

JQK won the guilty civil verdict for the Brown family after his criminal acquittal, and OJ has been a pariah and broke ever since.

The discovery in this proceeding will be revealing, and all the names you know: van der Stratten, Jaansen, van der sloot (pa and ma), Freddie, Kalpoe, Carasquilla and bundles more will be deposed.  Check out JQK's NY filing -- every one of the points he makes in this devastating document has substantiation -- and add to that the filmed confession of jvds, as well as his inhuman imitation of a suffering and dying Natalee --

-- and the sloots can kiss their bank accounts, assets and property holdings good-bye.

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Is there a link to that filing?

[Dihannah1]

OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks. 

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.

VERY true,  but what's the point of buying accessories, if you don't have a gun?  It's like buying a car battey, when you don't have a car...

[Frank]

Have the van der sloots filed a suit yet? They won't.

No way they bring more attention to themselves, but I hope they do.

I hope they sue everyone, their arrogance will nail them.