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*thadunk*

new cage, time for ice cream!

geeez, a first for me! going to be now that I have made it to the new cage...night all! ::cartwheel::

night cookie...sweet dreams!

meant going to bed now that I made it past 100 for the 1st time on a thread and thought that I might be first over here till I saw that Peanut beat me to it... ::MonkeyDance::

Good night cookie (http://bestsmileys.com/sleeping/11.gif)

Nice artwork, Klaas. I had not noticed that before.

Here's to a kindler, gentler thread!

had to have one last peek! but goodnight now, final!

Good night, cookie.

Sleep well.

Found that one in a google images search.  I think someone posted it at Websleuths, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::  I was right in the middle of mylong freaking post and poof ::MonkeyWaa:: I need to watch the pages better...........

heh.

I'll see if I can create one worthy of the thread change and email you the link when I do.

But that one is quite good.

:-)

Love it ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

nice new cage! clean and smells good.

aw haha, ive had that happen too...no fun!

I found these sobering statistics while looking for abducted children stats...... ::MonkeyNoNo:: These break my heart:

In the United States, homicide is one of the leading causes of death for juveniles. The Action Plan estimated 2,000 children, most under age 4, are murdered by parents or caretakers each year; of the children in this group who are under age 12, the majority have been previously abused by the person who killed them (Coordinating Council on Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, 1996:75). More recent data show that the problems remain very serious. In 1998, the National Center for Health Statistics listed homicide as the third leading cause of death for children ages 1–4 and 5–14, and the second leading cause for persons 15–24 (Murphy, 2000:8). Of the 2,691 juvenile murder victims—an average of 7 per day—in 1998, 20 percent were under age 5 and 54 percent were between the ages of 17 and 19 (Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, 2000:3; Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1999:297). Thirty-two percent were female, and 44 percent were African American (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1999:302). Sixty-two percent of all juvenile murder victims and 57 percent of murdered youth who were 13 or older were killed with a firearm (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1999:297). Forty percent were killed by family members, 45 percent by acquaintances, and only 15 percent by strangers (Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, 2000).  The older juvenile victims, compared with those under age 13, were more likely to be male and African American (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1999:302). The younger victims were more likely to be killed by family members (Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, 2000). These statistics are consistent with data reported in the Action Plan, indicating that most child murders, especially of younger children, are committed by family members or acquaintances rather than strangers. Several of the programs described later in this Bulletin offer innovative approaches to preventing or intervening in violence by family members.













http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/ojjdp/action_plan_update_2001_10/page1.html

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Not really hiding, I just like that pic.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Took my own suggestion and went outside for a break and some fresh air.  lol  Sure do hope we get some NEWS in this case, and soon!
 

Nice!!!! Maybe this thread will be good luck and bring some closure for HL!!!!!  Now, if I could just get rid of the darned pop-ups, I would be a very happy camper!!!

Thanks, Klassend!!

To those who replied to one of my posts about missing teens, young adults.. I did read your replies and just want to thank you.   ::MonkeyWink::

Island Monkey

Can you please come to musings for a second??

TIA

Mytime

Do you use the Mozilla Firefox browser?  They have an add-on called 'Adblock Plus'.  Ever since downloading that, I've never had another ad in here again.  It's heaven!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(ok.. maybe I'm just easy to please?  ahahaha)

I have never understood why the Fed put the FBI assisting in these cases at the "tender years" 12 and under.  You need to look at each individual case. But that is apparently to much to ask of our powers that be, IMO.  Sorry about your sons friend. 

Thanks fatcatlurker! 

I agree, every case ought to be looked at, every child/teen/young adult is someone's daughter/son.  Am guessing the cutoff at 12 years old is due to finances, manpower.  Just seems that there is so much need out there.  Sigh. 

Crazy question, so no nanners, but is it Peanut or someone else that follows WS astrology forum?????

You're a pushover!!! ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for this!!

IM: Thanks for the frightening statistics. Tomorrow w/be one month since HL has been gone. Something or someone has to give!!!

yes I would say absolutly but it brings bad memories, but it does seem money speaks louder JMO and of course media interest like NH that woman got her word out there, God Bless Her. 

Peanut might, I also follow that part over yonder. 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/unsure.gif)    Shhhhh!  We don't want that to be known.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're welcome!  Hope it helps ya. 

peanuts over in the musings thread.  You could ask her about it there.  If it's about Haleigh, you can discuss it here.  If not...it's off to musings  ::MonkeyHaHa::

tisnt me. i cant recall who it is tho...hopefully theyre here now and can answer you.

muffy, im everywhere. ::MonkeyWink::

Just curious because Anna FL gave them Haleigh's birth time and it doesn't look good, now let me state I have NO freaking clue about any of this, but whomever follows it on this thread said they are really good .........well, here it is:


English translation:



Haleigh is subjected to the unwanted attentions (ARACHNE square CUPIDO-A) of a repeat sexual offender* (EROS conjunct ECHO) due to the actions of someone she trusted (ATLANTIS). Is this trusted person Ron C.? Is it Misty? Could it be both of them? Considering the lifestyle of Ron & Misty, it could be either or both. *Notice I didn’t say Registered S.O.; I said Repeat. It is still completely unclear whether the perp is an RSO or some POS who has managed to stay below the radar screen.

This is no way points to direct involvement by either Ron or Misty. Rather, it highlights an observation made in previous analysis, that a family connection exists. The perp is someone known to the family, or alternately, someone on the fringes of the family, perhaps a friend or acquaintance of a family friend, relative, or acquaintance. Regardless of the perp’s exact relationship to Ron and/or Misty, Haleigh was exposed to the perp because of the actions/ lifestyle of the people she most trusted, i.e., her dad and his GF.


Based on above, as well as the previous charts all the Astrologers have analyzed, I believe the perp is someone either known to the family (not necessarily known by Haleigh) or to a friend/acquaintance of the family. By "family," I specifically mean Ron C. & Misty C. as they were the "parents" at the time of the disappearance. This person is a pedophile, regardless of whether he is registered as such.


As Tuba keeps telling us, there is information that is not being divulged. LE is keeping vital information close to the vest regardless of their continued statements to media that they are "clueless."


What do they know and why won't they tell?


Thanks,

That is WHY I asked her to come here.........didn't want to be sitting in the corner.

Does anyone know who it was that was watching the 2 children while Misty was gone for 3 days????
also. I remember Crystal saying that the kids didnt ant to go back to Ron's after their visit with her, She said the kids said they were being hit. That visit was the one before Haleigh was missing.I'm thinking that maybe who ever was hiting them found out that Haleigh told and :someone: decided to remove Haleigh form her house so she couldnt tell anymore on them. MAYBE? JMO
or.being the kids didnt want to go back home MAYBE Haleigh agreed to leave with someone because they were getting hit and she wanted to leave.Maybe Haleigh told someone other than her Grandmother and they talked to Haleigh about leaving. Maybe??
Let me know what ya'll think about this therory. thks! AGAIN ..JMO

I think Ron was off.  My understanding of these 10+ hour shifts is like some many days on some many days off and my understanding of this rumor is that he had been off for 3 days.  When my hubby worked 12 hr shifts it was the same and people who work nights/weekends got the pick for time off first, just what I know.  So I would say Ron = dad watching the children while Misty gone.

some=so  1 too many corona's. sorry

Gee, I don't follow WS astrology. But I said all that before and I think several of us had the same idea. Someone flying under the radar in the shadows.
My feeling is someone in eyesight of the house. A visitor to a house nearby.

 
That 100 pages lock can sneak up on me. :-)

Yikes,  I guess I'll have to think about going with Wyks' idea and consider revisiting lurkerdom. (Glad you're back, Wyks!)  :-)

Minnie, you said,

"Until someone proves or decides to share the information that Misty did it, or Ron did it, I think we should keep that speculation to a minimum. Or maybe go and get a job with "LE" and help them solve the case."
 
If there is no speculation, then what do we talk about? I can listen to the news and read and watch LE's pressers by myself. I come here to discuss with fellow posters what they think and impressions they get from the news and the pressers. But I don't want to faux pas.
 
And are you saying that only those employeed by LE should express opinions or only if those opinions are in regard to Ron and Misty? Or are comments that are flattering or in Ron's and/or Misty's favor the only ones acceptable? Are only certain types of speculation allowed?

More from WS astrology:


This is "bad news" because if you reviewed the prior discussions, you know that the charts all pointed to kidnapping with probable rape and murder. If anything, the 6:49 - 6:50 am chart magnifies that probability.

I continue reluctantly.

Everyone, including myself and all the Astrologers, would like nothing better than for Haleigh to be found alive and well and returned to her family. Nothing would make me happier than to tell you the charts show a strong possibility for that outcome.

Unfortunately and tragically, the charts have not led us in that direction, and revisiting the charts in light of the assumed-to-be "correct" birth time only amplifies my original judgment: Haleigh was kidnapped, probably raped and murdered.

i dont know how to read charts and they are always a hair different anyway. i do find it interesting tho, even if i wouldnt take it to the bank haha.

this reading sounds pretty logical to me, chart or no chart. if we follow basic sense something either happened to her between 7ish and 3 when noone but misty could account for her and misty knows what it was, or, someone got in and out without creating a disturbance. that to me would be someone with a definite purpose who knew when and how to get in...ie someone familiar with the family/friends.

Yeah, I think we Monkeys have covered most of the ideas that were revealed in that post from "over yonder."

There charts are saying it was friend or acquaintance of a family friend, relative, or acquaintance. Regardless of the perp’s exact relationship to Ron and/or Misty, Haleigh was exposed to the perp because of the actions/ lifestyle of the people she most trusted, i.e., her dad and his GF.

I wish our poster who has watched their thread could tell me how accurate they were on previous cases.

Well, Rana - if that's the case, I'll just sit in my cush cage and eat my nanners!!!!  ::MonkeyWink::

ok,thks! but,,, do you think its at all possible that Haliegh left with someone?? because she did tell her Grandmother that her and her brother were being hit and didnt want to go home. JMO

but but but all that is what we've been saying pretty much from the first, isn't it ... someone who had been in the trailer and knew the layout, knew the work routine of Ron, knew something about Misty's habits...  do you believe in astrology, IM?   It always gives me the strongest urge to go pffffttttt  really loud     ::MonkeyWink:: 

The astrologers over yonder are very good.  They've worked up charts on everyone they can find in Haleigh's case.  And for Haleigh herself.  The various different charts combined tell what has happened to her.  It's kind of hard to read one thing and understand all that they are saying.  They combine the charts and give the English translation that you see above.  They also recommend keeping emotions in check while reading the results. 

Basically... and unfortunately... what the charts are saying is not good news about Haleigh, and is news that no one wants to hear.   

The charts tell of kidnap, rape and murder.  ::MonkeyWaa::

And by a 'repeat offender', not necessarily a *registered* sex offender, this one could have been living under the radar and not caught yet.  And that "Haleigh was exposed to the perp because of the actions/ lifestyle of the people she most trusted, i.e., her dad and his GF."   ::MonkeyWaa::

The findings in their charts have been correct in other cases.  So, all we can do at this point is to wait and see if their findings in this case prove out to be true. 

 ::MonkeyWaa::

If you want to read for yourselves, I suggest starting at the beginning of their threads on this case, they explain as they go along, for better understanding.  It's the 'Forensic Astrology Forum'.. over yonder. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uND4ogbsKD4


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: OMG~Watch this video and tell me that's not a wedding ring on his finger...........I wonder if they got married in Tampa, you know how my mind thinks (spousal privilege)         

OK. FCL - you are officially cut off!! No more Corona's for you!! Eat a nanner and make a pot of coffee!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think the entire astrology post was from WS Astrology, but I could be wrong - maybe I need a drink!! ::MonkeyConfused::

left w/who??

Honestly I'd never heard of it, it just caught my eye when a poster here stated they were usually pretty close to the truth and they are saying more than just someone who knew the layout and watched, they are saying someone connected to Ron and Misty............NOT that Ron and Misty knew this happened, but someone allowed into the home via their lifestyle.

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Looks like a gold band.

That's all I can say.

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One more image of it.

sorry but in my corona haze it reads like a mixed mess, I got confused w/it might be Ron $ Misty but gee we're not really sure.  sorry.

I think that is just as good a theory as any other.  Perhaps someone took her so that she couldn't say what she knows... and perhaps someone took her so that she didn't have to endure whatever might have been happening in that home.  And yet.. we've heard that supposedly both kids said they didn't want to go back to their dad's because they were being hit.  I'd have to wonder then why both kids weren't taken. 

I do know personally, that had this happened to me, if my kids were in that situation, I would have taken them or had someone do that for me and hidden them away, even if it meant my getting caught and spending the rest of my own life in prison.  Especially if it seemed that doing things the 'right way' thru the courts had already gotten me absolutely nowhere. 

I agree, looks like a wedding band to me. It is def on the correct finger. I am not on my speedy computer. Can someone check other videos w/ Ron and see if he had the ring on before???

Also, that work that he got done took a full day. And that is one fugly tat of HL.

O/T:

Klaas:

I sent you email to your hotmail account with the URL to the Haleigh image I made for the forum.

:-)

Hello guys, yes thats what I have been saying all alone is that I belive Ron and Mistie are gonna find out that they are guilty by association,   I too still do and always have believed that whoever came and took Haleigh, is someone that they will reconize if and when he is brought out....I believe if they would just think and think of everybody they have come into contact with in the past say 6 months they would figure it out, and after speaking to a  few people in the area, they feel the same way!

No need to apologize, I said the other night it's a wonder we're all not on thorazine and Wild Turkey w/this case!!

Are you really going to listen to what one poster is saying? Just because one person doesn't want speculation doesn't mean it's some kind of rule here. 

I wish it were different too.

Thanks for that; I like that you translated it b/c I tried to read it and couldn't get very far. It is very interesting.

I heard bit on one of those shows..... BOMBSHELL (NG) or one of them -- that a psychic was down there; but that's all I heard. Any word on that?

Thanks Brandi

That's what I remembered ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

... snipped with respect

Thanks Rana!  Am thinking that when any of us get to thinking it's best back in lurkerdom, that we share those feelings in here and just take a lil break.  That works wonders, and so does getting warm fuzzies.  Thanks again! 

ok the tat has plastic on it first!  that's why it looks fugly and supposedly that's just one tat he got, he also got a tat of jr, I'm guessing the other leg if that is true.

Haleigh is not fugly and I am sure once it's healed it will look really nice w/the plastic removed.

ya the plastic really distorts the image. i think it was a nice gesture of whoever it was who gave him the tats...it obviously made ron happy to do.

I dont know hwo but possibly a person she trusted and told that she was being hit.. i'm thinking. JMO

I hope you're right, because in the video I posted, he shows the Jr tat, and well it aint so hot either.........that's when I noticed the band on his left ring finger.

He has a shiny gold band on his left ring finger, yeppers.  Also has one on his right ring finger, for what it's worth.  Interesting!  And right after showing his tatoos, as he straightens up, he kind of moves his left hand in an odd way, as if showing his ring but not wanting to shove it into the camera.  Reminds me a lot of a girl with a new engagement ring, lol, ya know? 

yeah, I totally agree it was a weird thing to do, but at 39 I don't pretend to know what a 25 yr old thinks anymore, it would be stupid of me to say the least, but I do have a tat and know that's plastic.

I noticed that awkward movement too!

Almost like he was not used to a ring on that finger, and he was just getting used to the feeling of it.

So  with the ring showing up and all are we thinking he married Mistie, I find that very highley unlikely, but I will try to find out tomorrow!

I'll check it out.  And that kinda would go w/my conclusion that Misty ain't Crystal if you know what I mean.

Thanks for the clarification, Klassend!!! As a newbie, it's great to know we can speak our minds and voice our speculation/theories w/out retribution.

Well.. just want to say that the above was not translated here, but was taken in full from WS.  The astrology forum there has nearly always been very polite when taking info from here to use for their charts, etc. including giving credit where it's due, and I just want to be sure that we are returning the favor and that there's no misunderstanding about where that info (including their translations) comes from.   ::MonkeyWink::

No, Haleigh is far from fugly. I hope you are correct about the tat because it looked pretty freakish to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: Huh? I don't , maybe too mcuh sun today, but I'm clueless......

Exactly!  Like he was touching it behind with his thumb. 

That's a wedding ring. If he married Misty, I will just keep my own thoughts to myself and you all can read my mind. Too bad I don't have webcam. The look on my face is worthy of a transmission !   

Yeppers, it's great!   ::MonkeyDance::

We can speak our minds and voice our opinions.. and some even wear helmets and invite nanner throwing, only to dodge them if need be.   ::MonkeyTongue:: 

Thank you, Klaasend! :-)

One thing I have noted about this family is they like gold, many hispanics like gold, I first noticed the necklace on Haleigh and I thought ok, my SIL is from CHILE and they want to adorn there babies in this stuff piculiar to americans, Rons gold braclet, etc.  But her necklace stood out to me big time.  Also the tat of Haleigh on Ron's back is old probably 3 yrs to me.  Iam going back in again for the chest tat. teresa, who is that?  mom tat? weird, sorry female former veteran navy here only reason I have a tat. ok, I think I understand....

IMO, Misty looks like a puppy who has been beaten down and is terrified.  Crystal looks to me like an older puppy who has been beaten down and kicked, who has had enough, who is now biting back. 

Just my opinions on it. 

I'd love to see it !

What freaks me out is IF they did get married, they have spousal privilege and aren't compelled to testify against each other if called to do so ::MonkeyWink::

OK, a couple observations.  From the video above.

1.  Ron is definately wearing a gold ring on his left had but is also wearing one on his right.  Could be he's just always worn them?

2.  The tattoos are ugly, both of them.  I just don't think the tattoo artist is very good. 


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Ok~I get that and totally agree........I'd have bit back and worse about day 2 when all the stories starting changing around, but that's just me ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyEek::  That would be a very sneaky thing to do!  Surely they wouldn't!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

i dont know about being married...i know plenty of guys that age that wear rings and arent married. all kinds of rings...men seem to generally be more into jewelry now than years back.

Yeppers, me too!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I dunno what FatCatLurker meant by the above post tho, that was just my opinion on Misty and Crystal.  Still curious what FCLs opinions are on them.
 

I looked back thru two older vid's and NO ring.

Iam back..

Does anyone have the video where Rons hands were cut to see if he has a ring on... ::MonkeyTongue::

Very interesting.

I looked up waiting period for marriage license in FL ...Putnam County to be exact. It is 3 days. Waived if you take a 4-hour marriage course within the prior 12 months.

For those under 18 ...you have to contact the county for any other restrictions.

Just a FYI.

I did and he didnt, unless LE took it and has now returned it,   he didnt!

Amen!!! Especially the nose. It looks like Mike Tyson got ahold of it.  ::MonkeyDance::

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No ring on left or right ring finger here.

yes, teresa neves is ron's mom. 

Id like to say something about the tatoos, when getting one of a portraite like this, you have to go back after it heals and have the color done and have it touched up to finish the job on it.......I think this is just the first stage of the tatoo, its not finished yet.

OMG, I am lost!!! Damn that Wild Turkey!!! Splain, please!!

OH.MY.GOODNESS.

OK, who has checked the Putnam County records for marriage licenses? N..no... that is too obvious.

What is the county that the tattoo place is in? or any county in between?

Looks like dude got married. Odd timing. But I'm not one to talk.
(TM "In Living Color") (pauses for inevitable lightning strike)

I just dated myself with that Living Color reference, didn't I?
 Ah-well....:-)

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

But, what about Pinellas County........it would be easier to go there and do it due to all the media presence .....just a thought!

What does being hispanic have to do with liking gold?   ::MonkeyHaHa::   Sorry, struck my funny bone. The elementary schools are full of little girls wearing gold, silver and rubber necklaces and bracelets, they dress up like Hannah Montana & such.  I'm missing either a connection or a brain cell on this comment.    ::MonkeyTongue::

Good evening everyone.  I have a question. If it is indeed a wedding ring, would they have had to to be married the night of Haleigh's disappearance to invoke spousal priviledge? 

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Again, no rings.

Anyone know why his right hand is injured? (Looks like he hit something with it to me.)

If Ron and Misty did get married do you think Ron's pastor married them and kept it hush hush.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Aw, come on Lucky!! How much wood would a woodchuck chuck.... if a woodchuck, could chuck, wood?

 ::MonkeyWink::

I'll be in the corner if y'all need me. :-)

http://www.pinellasclerk.org/AspInclude2/ASPInclude.asp?pageName=marriageFAQ.htm

Here is pinellas county marriage license requirements. There are 2 Cummings, Ronald but not the same DOB.

Says you have to be 18. That is standard in Florida.

Tampa is Hillsborough County.  Pinellas Park, where Ron got the tatoo is just across the water (and a lil bridge) from Tampa.  And that is in Pinellas County. 

None on this one either

http://www.wftv.com/video/18701599/index.html

Oh I just wish they would find out something, I hate to think that this is gonna go down as unsolved,  I wanna know where the Hell is Haleigh and I wanna know right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh lo....

I would check the marriage records, but every time, by the time I choose my search words and hit "enter," IM is already finished!! - has it posted, and is chillin' :-)

 FAST MONKEY.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Dude is not a dummy. I'll give him that.

Well, I am sure ppl will pick up on the posts about the wedding ring and we will have an answer in about 48 hours. lol

Geraldo was shooting his mouth off about a stat rape charge because Misty was living there when she was sixteen. When I was sixteen, my Mumma was trying to walk me to school !
There is someone over on the Fox Orlando blog who speaks to GM Neves. Posts little tid bits. Else, they just speculate like us.
You can't get fingerprints off a cement block, but you could get skin cells for DNA. And the cement block was taken right away. It was fresh, not left there for days and days.
 

Nothing personal just in DC we have alot of hispanics and they deck their children out with gold unlike white people.  It just amazes me when I see a toddler w/more gold on than me, even if I'm fond of silver not gold.

Good point, but would they KNOW that???????

Good evening, All.

I'm about 20 pages behind but wanted to mention some things.  Sorry if I'm repeating something or unaware of facts some have already mentioned. 

Some of these things I've mentioned before.

When the call went out from dispatch to the uniforms the CSX train was brought up.

When I was listening to a one of the talking heads there early one evening, I heard the train.  It was so loud that it nearly drowned out the broadcaster.  The train is not a non-issue by any stretch of the imagination.  And they just creep through some intersections.  A human can trot and hop one if they have a mind too.

The fact that the dog stopped at that train track has always nagged at me.  I have a friend in LE who trains dogs for all manner of detection.  If the track ceased there it is very concerning.  I wouldn't expect folks who don't know dogs to "get" that or cotton to the notion that Haleigh might have been thrown onto a train 'cause I think many are going w/the statistics that kin are most frequently perps.  But then there's Jessica Lundsford.

Not to mention that all the RSOs aren't on the record (so to speak) for molesting their own kin.  I don't have those statistics, but they might bear mentioning. 

Early on, I was bothered by bio-grandmas calm demeanor saying she thought Haleigh was taken/or was in Georgia/Alabama (sorry if I've got the two states wrong).  Maybe her remarks were wishful thinking on her part--Lord knows I'd be playing those head games w/myself if my grandaughter was missing w/out a trace  But the statement still bothers me.

As re. the various players in this sad saga mangling tense in their sentences?  I can't hang my hat on that.  Now if they always spoke "the King's English" and were educated to a farethewell, the use of past tense would trouble me a good bit more.  But I live where english is used very creatively and much can be (and is) misunderstood by visitors.

I forget the rest of what I wanted to say.  Its probably all Daylight Savings Time's fault.  :smt102

Foggy

That was very funny, now proof is in the pudding women, get clacking on them keys.

I don't know IM, either way, it seems like it would scream conspiracy and do nothing to help the rumors die down if they are truly innocent.

I have a theory about the train but it's too morbid to discuss with anyone so I'll keep it to myself.  Just call me FD, I know.  Sorry for my morbitity.

Ok sista~but, I've got to be up in 5 hours...........also, I don't know how quickly those are recorded, so anyone wanna help a pitiful lil monkey out.

 ::MonkeyEek:: Crapola, I wonder if Marie might know if they got married? Work that angle tomorrow.

Good question. If so them anyone in a situation with someone of the other gender (or not - depending on how prop 8 works out) could just UP and marry the person they want not to testify against them.

UP and marry..... Sorry; I went all Jed Clampett on y'all for a second.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

"want not to".....

Tee hee  - Throw caution to the wind!! Split those infinitives like nobody's business!!!

Spousal privilege means that a married partner can't be compelled to testify against their mate.  But it doesn't mean a spouse can't testify against a mate.  Its a fine distinction that one who is fearful or cowed might not grasp or recognize.

ITA~I just can't think of another reason for him to be sporting a ring all of the sudden ::MonkeyConfused::

The dogs going to the train bugs me too. They also went to the water although it could have been an old scent. The time change has affected my brain also.

Well what is the waiting period for a marriage license in fl, in Md it's atleast 30 days, I think i've been married 17 long yrs so not sure.  And if it is illegal they have to have a judge approval from my understanding.

"There have been plenty of cases where marriage was a good strategy for a criminal defendant," said Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor.  ::MonkeyTongue::

OMG.... that never occurred to me. That gave me the chills.

We know you didn't intend to be morbid. We know what you meant.

(Side note: I'm uncool; What is FD? or none of my bees wax - just give me the raspberry and a street gesture and tell me to shove it. I get that a lot)  :-)

24/17 w/this law you guys say would mean they have to have judge approval, it's not like overnight they have to have consent of all parents right? and than get marriage license, Florida is not Nevada.  There are some rules that have to be followed is my understanding?

I found this...

There are two different concepts relating to marital privileges, the adverse testimony privilge and privilege relating to confidential communicaitons.

The confidential communications privilege extends only to communications made during marriage. The adverse testimony privilege provides that you cannot be compelled to adversely testify against your spouse.

As a result, while their communications are not protected under the confidential communications privilege, one could not be compelled to testify about those communications against the other under the adverse testimony rule.

I stated on the last page:

Requirements for a Florida Marriage License
Important: Couples must go together to apply for a marriage license in Florida. A couple may purchase a marriage license in one Florida county and be married in another. However, the county issuing the marriage license is the only county that will have the marriage license on record.

Proof of Age, Identity, and Residency
It will be necessary to prove that you are old enough to get married, that you are who you say you are, and that you live where you say you live. To prove who you are, each of you may need to show your Social Security card or a legal document showing your Social Security number and name. You may both also need to show birth certificates. Legal photo identification, such as a driver's license or state ID, may also be required to prove your address information and verify residency.

In general, those planning on getting married in Florida should be eighteen or older at the time of marriage. However, it is sometimes possible to get married at a younger age. For example, it is possible to get married at sixteen or seventeen if written parental consent is given. It is also possible for people of this age to get married if the bride and groom are parents, or expectant parents, of a child

Cost and Waiting Period
As of the writing of this publication, a Florida marriage license costs $93.50. If you cannot afford this amount all at once, it may be possible to pay it in three installments over a ninety-day period. However, you will not receive the license until all payments are made. After purchasing the marriage license, you will need to wait three days before having the wedding ceremony and finalizing the marriage. Florida residents can get a discount on the license and waive the three-day waiting period by taking a marriage preparation course.

The Marriage Preparation Course
As of January 1, 1999, Florida residents who take a marriage preparation course offered by an approved provider can receive certain privileges. If both members of the couple are Florida residents, you will receive a $32.50 discount on the marriage license fee. In addition, the three-day waiting period will be waived. Both partners must prove that they took the course within the last twelve months. The late Florida Governor Lawton Chiles signed this bill into law to encourage couples to consider marriage carefully.

Changes to Florida law have been relatively recent. Because these laws are still new, different counties interpret them differently.

For example:

Some counties may not recognize marriage preparation classes conducted in other counties.

Some counties may give couples credit for their marriage preparation when one person is a Florida resident and one is not.

Some counties will only recognize marriage preparation given by people (even clergy) who are on an approved list.

The approval process for providers of marriage preparation courses even varies from court system to court system.

Soon there should be more consistency among counties. As of the time of this writing, situations vary.

Who is an Approved Provider?
You can get a list of approved providers of marriage preparation classes from the county marriage license bureau. This bureau is normally found in the offices of the Clerk of the Circuit Court. Approved providers may include family life educators of the Florida Cooperative Extension Service, psychologists, mental health counselors, trained official representatives of religious institutions, and marriage and family therapists.

Yes, I agree. Very smart, if that's what happened. Odd timing for innocent people tho, but um... OK...

IM will be done with 14 county marriage records by the time I say boo and get halfway into Putnam's.

Jus sayin' :-)


Side note: my computer just went nuts and everything started blinking like crazy and all the text was scrambled. I re-booted twice and now it's normal. Just me? alrighty then.  :-)

Up here, under 18 marriages require parental consent. And have to get a marriage liscense ( sp ) or have the bans read in church. I had the bans read so I didn't have to get any papers in advance. I am divorced, I should have had a waiting period of about ten years or until I smartened up, whichever came the soonest.

As many prob know folks who work w/heavy equipment (and in other occupations) remove their rings when working 'cause they can be a hazard.  I don't wear my rings around the homeplace, nor do my friends.  Rings are pretty, but troublesome and mostly left in a safe place 'til the work is done.

Of course I have no clue if RC and the teenager have recently married.  Maybe they were married before Haleighs disappearance/he wasn't wearing ring because of work.  I only mention that because gf referred to Haleigh as her daughter during 911 call.  I thought it a bit presumptuous on her part at the time, but who knows. :smt102

Foggy

Time for this monkey to bid good night to all.

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Good Nite Brandi... ::MonkeyCool::

3 days wow, so it could of been done.  but the illegal part throws me a bit.  but still I think the Croslin's and Cummings would agree to this and if they know the right judge to approve it, done.  Stranger things have been done before.  God this would blow CasAnt out of the water with all it's twist and turns if it fits.

Side note; your vomit look on Misty = preggers.....Just speculation now!  ha ha! well it was early morning....

I think they mean illegal as under the age of 18, but I could be wrong......also here is a little more info from my longggggggg post above:

In general, those planning on getting married in Florida should be eighteen or older at the time of marriage. However, it is sometimes possible to get married at a younger age. For example, it is possible to get married at sixteen or seventeen if written parental consent is given. It is also possible for people of this age to get married if the bride and groom are parents, or expectant parents, of a child

Generally, under 18 requires a parents signature on a form stating they have consent. Here in Polk county Fl any ways.... My son was 17 when he married his middle school sweetheart...

Kat, yes the water is a major concern for me.  Its a very accessible location via many means of transportation. 

The other thing that I've wondered about is did the tracking dogs go to the other side of the river to see if she might have exited a boat on the far side?  :gaah:

Except he hasn't worked in a month, so why all the sudden put one on now........

He didn't refer to Misty as his wife. She was still the gf and a dumb b***** one at that. She said " our daughter " on the tape. Which I found strange, but maybe that's the way Misty felt about the situation.

I'm not disagreeing that the couple might have recently married.  I'm just pointing out that some (many?) don't wear rings. esp. those who are involved in certain occupations.  Some may not be aware of that fact. 

I BLEEVE (TM "Vern" the hotdog guy) I believe the term you are looking for is "vomit face." :-) .  ::MonkeyLaugh::

 Oh lo... I won't be able to live that one down. I deserve that. I was off on a vomit face toot, wasn't I? **snort** Maybe I should learn to have an UNexpressed thought tee hee. (A teacher told me that once.)

yup, I only know cuz I had a relative's whole family move there cuz she was 14 yr old & preggers and it was the only state that would allow it(early 90's) married (much older)guy who was not father and still married w/4 children to date but they had to get parental consent and judges ok.  But I was sure the law had gotten more strict since than but not sure. I definatly think it could be done.  but shows collusion if guilty right?  There would be some premeditation, right?

Like I said to Rana I'm thinkin if true Rana's vomit look in Misty's interview = pregnant.  Not impossible, but purely speculation.

well as her post to Amber said I got yr man n now I'm gonna get yr baby, I think Misty could be putting herself in a position of more trouble than she knows.  I think she's alot smarter than we give her credit for. JMO

Pregnancy is possible, FCL, but on the vomit face theory (oh groan) she didn't look that way the whole time to me -- just like 2 or 3 briefs times like when she spoke of the kitchen as Wyks noticed too.... and two other quick times that I can't recall right now.

watched it a couple times & still never saw it (vomit face) but deferring to u n wykes could = preggers  in regards to marriage.  purely speculation on my part.  lookin at all angles.

Oh she definitely could be pregnant and have had a eeeww reaction to whatever it was she was talking about... BOTH!  Also, if she were pregnant, that would be a good reason (in theory) to get married.... without outsiders looking for nefarious reasons. If that makes any sense. :-)

IOW, it "looks" good...... I don't know what I'm trying to say. :-)


 

I'm going 2 bed good night all! I hope & pray that Haleigh is found safe and is back n the loving arms of her parents.

I wish I knew how to post screen caps (as if you're on pins and needles to see the vomit face.) :-)  .  ::MonkeyHaHa::
 

Nighty

IMO the hands look too heavy to be his, but it might be the camera angle.

Amen - that is a distinction that many people forget about - my hubby and I just had that discussion regarding another matter.

Florida: If a teen is under eighteen (18) years of age, but older than sixteen (16) years of age, a marriage license can be obtained with parental consent. If a parent has sole custody or the other parent is dead, the permission of one parent is sufficient. If a person is under the age of 16, the marriage license has to be issued by a county judge, with or without parental permission. If a minor's parents are both deceased and there is not an appointed guardian, he/she may apply for a marriage license. A minor teen who has been previously married may apply for a license. A minor who swears that they have a child or are expecting a baby, can apply for a license if the pregnancy has been verfied by a written statement from a licensed physician. A county court judge may at his/her discretion issue or not issue a license for them to marry. (http://marriage.about.com/cs/teenmarriage/a/teenus.htm)

Wonder if Misty is pg?

Weid laws down in Florida, you think?
Good morning everyone, kitty is stretching and ready to go......... ::cartwheel::

Would that make her more or less likely to be involved with Haleigh's disappearance? Would that be any factor at all?

I still can't shake that odd feeling I had after hearing the 911 call. It seemed as if the 911 operator had to drag the information out of Misty. I don't know if that's because Misty didn't want to cooperate or couldn't cooperate. It just "felt" like she was dragging her feet when it came to revealing anything. Why wouldn't the panic over a missing child have her in a high state of anxiety? She almost sounded like she'd taken a Valium.

I know that this hasn't been brought up before, and this is just speculation on my part.  No one has given any information to back it up either.

But, do you think that maybe Misty felt that Ron was giving too much attention to Haleigh, and she was not in the limelight??  Maybe not spending as much...private... time with her as she would have liked, or shown special attention to her.

That is what I thought as well.  Just a few one liners, nothing elaborating, as Oh well, last night...about ( insert time) we had dinner, and then Haleight did this, or did that...etc..  Nothing, except that she is gone and that is all I know.

Good morning  :sunny:   Hoping for good news about Haleigh today. 

Good morning monkeys.

This case has my mind jumping all over the place.  ::MonkeyConfused:: Thanks to who ever posted the link to that article on analyzing 911 calls.  It was very informative and gave me a new perspective.  Hoping Haleigh is found safe and sound today.

Hey MuffyBee, Glad you followed me over here, was lonley here too.

With Caylee's case, I felt right off there had been family involvement concerning her demise, but, with Haleigh, there are so many possibilities , it is hard to pin point who I feel is the " taker" of this child.  Not to mention the many so's in the area.

Since rc got off those charges with game warden for hunting with lights at night, then I feel more sure, he has help from power sources to get him off those charges with less than a slap on the wrist.
Animal offenses in florida are treated with more gumption than a murder of a person.

There is a word for people who tell what they know on drug people so they get off their own charges.  Raechel Hoffman lost her life because le insisted she be a " narc".
It cost her her life. Drug dealers from south fla are comming this way, and doing their deeds with intention. 

They do not like  to be crossed, and have no emotion about taking a child from those who crossed them. 

so,,,, we have dad, girlfriend, so's, and drug lords, as possible takers of this child.
I could just close my eyes, and point a finger, as any one of these people could be suspect.
Makes me shake my head and sigh....The poor children again, have taken the blunt of an adults actions.  I hope Haeligh is found soon.

sorry, skipped ahead and now will go back to the page that I was on....Ron is on good Morning America if anyone is interested...they just showed him going through the home...He is really really skinny... and very sad.....sorry if everyone already knew this but I wanted to post it just in case someone wanted to tune in...they are going to have more on this in a few minutes....

thanks for info cookie...yes, it is a sad case for sure

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133198&catid=3

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County Officials Force Haleigh's Family to Move Tents
Posted By: Victor Blackwell     12 hrs ago

SATSUMA, FL -- It's been nearly a month, since Annette Sykes great-grand-daughter, Haleigh Cummings, disappeared. She's made the same public plea - everyday.


"Please, please help us find Haleigh and to bring her home," Sykes said.


Her family has slept in tents near the trailer where Haliegh, 5, was last seen - every night.


Soon they will have to leave.


"This is not a campground, we were told and therefore we can't stay here," said Sykes.


The Putnam County Code Enforcement Division sent a letter to Sykes' grandson and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. The letter, dated March 3rd, cites several complaints about the family camping near the home.


The author writes that he recognizes the family's extreme hardship. However, they are violating a county code and will have to find somewhere else to live.


"The people around here - they don't mind us being here. It's just been the code enforcement," said Sykes.


Down the road a bit, Haleigh's mother and her side of the family have set up tents.


"We're only here during the daytime and we've got a place to live so we go home at night" said Haleigh's maternal grandmother Marie Griffis.


This weekend, Griffis' family took down one of the tents to avoid the appearance of camping. One of the tents still standing is filled with a shrine to the missing girl.


Griffis says she'll spend her days inside the tent for as long as takes to bring her grand-daughter home.


"I'm relying on God to do what he told me he was gonna do and that's bring Haleigh home," said Griffis.

Haleigh was last seen at her father's home in Satsuma, in February.

If you know of her whereabouts, make an anonymous call to Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS. The reward for information leading to her safe return is $26,500.

Good morning Monkeys all!

_______________________________________________________________


Haleigh Cummings this morning received some of the national media attention usually devoted to the Caylee Anthony case.

Haleigh's dad explained to NBC's "Today" that he can't move back into the house where the 5-year-old Florida girl was taken. There are just too many memories there, Ronald Cummings told "Today" in an exclusive interview.

"I believe God will deliver daddy's little girl, Haleigh, home -- whether it's home to me or home to him, God will deliver her home," Cummings told reporter Janet Shamlian in Satsuma.

And the search? Investigators have said little about leads or progress, Shamlian said.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/03/haleigh-cummings-.html

thanks for that article Klaas...

going back a few pages, when looking at Rons hand that is injured, do you think that he could have hit the wall where the hot water heater is located with his fist upon hearing that Haleigh was missing? when Misty first told him or was on the phone with 911? that would explain the injury and perhaps the reason that they took a piece of the wall...

If Ron and Misty did get married, a huge mistake...possibly preggers...another child brought into the mix by another child having a child...sigh....And this is only spec ing here..,.none of us know if they are married yet or if she is preggers....

good morning Heart...did you watch the interview? I did...thought that he was genuine and tears were real...how sad for this family...and for Haleigh..hope she is doing ok and will be found soon and returned to her life....

Inside missing girl's home
  Video: As police continue to look for  Haleigh Cummings, her father gives a tour of the trailer where she was last seen.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29593696#29593696

Welcome to all the new members!    ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Just stopping in to let you guys know that the Polly Klaas Murder story is being told by American Justice today at 4pm on Cable Channel AETV.   (Eastern time)

Hi cookie,  yes I did watch the video.  Truly sad.  It is my hope and prayer that Ron nor Misty had anything to do with the abduction, disappearance, etc of Haleigh.  That would make it so much harder to comprehend. 

I was reading in post that was posted last night and I see a new poster (Annette49) stated more than once that Haleigh had informed either Crystal or Marie that she did not want to go back to stay with Ron. 

Has anyone heard that reported before?  I have not, maybe I just missed it.

Also I read on another site that Crystal had filed for custody of Haleigh and Jr. a couple of weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

Heart

Some images I captured from the Today show:

The master bedroom where Misty, Haleigh and Ronald Jr. were reportedly sleeping:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/masterbedroom.png)

Haleigh's bedroom:
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The light switch that has reportedly been dusted for prints in the kitchen:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image75.png)

at this point, I would say that none of us knows what really was said by Haleigh......or what is truth and what is not....so many rumors in my opinion...
so far we have not seen any papers on here where Crystal had filed for custody for the kids that I have seen anyway, and the monkeys on here are pretty good at recovering info...
I don't believe anything from chinese whispers until I see proof of it...until then, all speculation and gossip in my opinion...

And something that popped out at me when watching the Today show video:

It was stated that the back door was propped open "just like this."

In my mind, it was propped wide open, so a person could get through it. Also, Great Grandmother Sykes has stated that the inside door was "wide open." We all know that it does not stay open unless propped open. It  drifts into the closed position if left unattended.

Just some thoughts and images to share with you all.

And, good morning!

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Cummings told to get county permit to keep staying in camper
Noise complaint led to county action' permission seen as likely

    * By Dana Treen
    * Story updated at 11:19 PM on Sunday, Mar. 8, 2009

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-08/story/cummings_told_to_get_county_permit_to_keep_staying_in_camper

As her father’s roadside campsite grows larger near the mobile home where Haleigh Cummings disappeared last month, Ronald Cummings has been told he needs to ask for a special permit to keep a travel camper there.
Putnam County officials said permission is likely, and said the subject will be brought up at a county commission meeting this week. Code enforcement chief John Salmons said Sunday he sent a letter to the family after receiving noise complaints.

He said the letter lets them know they need to apply for a temporary use permit but did not issue a deadline for the camper to be moved.

As Haleigh’s disappearance reaches the four-week mark tonight, the request is another measure of how long the 5-year-old has been missing. She has still had not been found Sunday, though detectives remained working to follow leads, said spokesman Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

What started as a pair of chairs and a few blankets Feb. 10 has grown into a tented enclosure and travel camper down the street from the Satsuma mobile home that investigators pored over for weeks before releasing back to Cummings. He has said he cannot live in the blue doublewide mobile home again.

Lindsy Croslin, whose sister-in-law, 17-year-old Misty Croslin was home and discovered Haleigh missing about 3 a.m. Tuesday, Feb. 10, said she knew the county letter was sent but did not know what plans were made to move.

At another site nearby, Haleigh’s biological mother and family have a similar arrangement of tents and enclosures nearby but have not been asked to move, said Marie Griffis, Haleigh’s grandmother. The Baker County family has been given the use of a mobile home about five minutes away, she said.

County Commission Chairman Nancy Harris said the commission has a regular meeting Tuesday and will bring up the issue. She said Haleigh’s family is in a bad situation and are due some consideration.

Commissioner Chip Laibl said he expects the county to help.

“We’ll do whatever it takes to keep these people comfortable while they search for their daughter,” he said Sunday.

Noticed too that the light switch that has been so scrutinized here is not in a weird position at all..

Did you all notice the clothes that Haleigh had and all the toys?.....it made me really really sad to see all of her things there, waiting for her to get home...
Ron looked like a broken man to me..no matter how any of us might feel about his supposed life style, rumors what ever, your heart has to go out to someone in such obvious pain over the disappearance of his daughter....

gold ring on necklace in this pic, could be family ring, it seems like a simple gold band but maybe grandfathers or some other sentimental value to Ron?

I see a home that looks cared for by a couple of young people that don't have a lot. Haleigh's room looks nice and typical for a girl her age. In fact, I'm impressed that Misty was willing to share her bedroom with these two small children not her own. Ron looks like he has lost weight and seems like a father in deep grief over his missing baby. I've stated this many times - IMO this will turn out to be an abduction by stranger or vaguely known person.

notice in the photo that Ron's right hand is "scraped up" here as well...may be something to do with his job/work?

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quote Lilymarie: I see a home that looks cared for by a couple of young people that don't have a lot. Haleigh's room looks nice and typical for a girl her age. In fact, I'm impressed that Misty was willing to share her bedroom with these two small children not her own. Ron looks like he has lost weight and seems like a father in deep grief over his missing baby. I've stated this many times - IMO this will turn out to be an abduction by stranger or vaguely known person.

Lily, this is what I see as well..this is a much loved child...
Yes, your point about Misty sharing her room with the kids is a good point...she could have insisted that they stay in their own room...Remembering back, I remember at 17 that I was afraid to stay in a house alone, so I would have had them in with me just to feel safer myself...but that was just me...

I also see a ring on his left ring finger in this picture.

Just sayin.

Crystal's fiance, Chad was the one who stated this.  I thought I remembered an interview with Crystal and Marie talking about this too (or maybe not).
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

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Cropped the image and added it to the post so people know what I am talking about. LOL

I was thinking the same way... she's so young that they provided her with as much comfort as she did for them. I may eat my words but M & R didn't do this. Maybe something about their lifestyle invited an opportunity but I won't judge them based upon the salacious rumors floating around the i'net.

Going outside to enjoy the gorgeous weather for a bit.

I'll catch up when I come back in.

Have a great day, folks!

I don't know that this matters, but I took a screenshot of the backdoor from tour of the home (Nancy Grace I think).  I have never seen a door with the deadbolt BELOW the door knob.  Who does that?  ::MonkeyEek::
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/960/hcbackdoor.jpg)

I have never seen that before, and I have lived in quite a few places over the years. And thanks Brandi for posting those pics from the Today Show.

I'm babbling now...sorry.

Just came across the video again of Ron in the tattoo parlour.  Check the comments below from who I assume is the tattoo artist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uND4ogbsKD4&feature=channel

Crystal had also said that Chad had told her that Ron had told Chad and her brother that Ron was 75% sure that he knew who took Haleigh.. which Ron denies saying....she said that on a show...not sure which one..then she said on another show a few days later that it was all a misunderstanding, that Ron had not really told Chad that...Chad had looked really squirmy in the video when Crystal had reported that Ron had told Chad that info above....I thought that he looked uncomfortable cause he knew that he had told Crystal that, he lied, and now it was out there in the open....just my opinion...

apparently the previous renter/owner had said that he had installed the lock..IIRC

Thanks, I wish the people that commented would elaborate a little.

Maybe the rings were in the house and he could not get them until the house was released as a crime scene.

good point Minnie about the rings...

Before seeing these comments, I came across another video with another comment...from same user.  It said something along the lines of "2 minutes after starting Ron's tattoo, I wish I hadn't".  Not exact quote, and I can't seem to find it now...

 My back door is like that? A very nice solid wood custom door in a standard middle class neighborhood. I don't see the signifigance.

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Hi cookie,  yes I did watch the video.  Truly sad.  It is my hope and prayer that Ron nor Misty had anything to do with the abduction, disappearance, etc of Haleigh.  That would make it so much harder to comprehend. 

I was reading in post that was posted last night and I see a new poster (Annette49) stated more than once that Haleigh had informed either Crystal or Marie that she did not want to go back to stay with Ron. 

Has anyone heard that reported before?  I have not, maybe I just missed it.

Also I read on another site that Crystal had filed for custody of Haleigh and Jr. a couple of weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

Heart

Crystal's fiance, Chad was the one who stated this.  I thought I remembered an interview with Crystal and Marie talking about this too (or maybe not).
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3


Crystal had also said that Chad had told her that Ron had told Chad and her brother that Ron was 75% sure that he knew who took Haleigh.. which Ron denies saying....she said that on a show...not sure which one..then she said on another show a few days later that it was all a misunderstanding, that Ron had not really told Chad that...Chad had looked really squirmy in the video when Crystal had reported that Ron had told Chad that info above....I thought that he looked uncomfortable cause he knew that he had told Crystal that, he lied, and now it was out there in the open....just my opinion...
 
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I don't know that this matters, but I took a screenshot of the backdoor from tour of the home (Nancy Grace I think).  I have never seen a door with the deadbolt BELOW the door knob.  Who does that? 



apparently the previous renter/owner had said that he had installed the lock..IIRC
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But Ron said the deadbolt was way up high and there was no way the kids could get to it.  Why did he lie???
 
 

how do you know that he lied????
Maybe the kids couldn't reach the lock...maybe they couldn't open the lock...hard to turn etc...maybe he was blubbering in grief....could be a million things but does not mean that he lied..
why did Crystal say that Ron had told Chad about the 75% knowing where Haleigh was? was that also a lie on Crystals part or a simple misunderstanding...?

I am now starting to think that IF Ron is completely innocent in this, Misty had company when Ron was at work. They got drunk/stoned/drugged and she passed out. The person took HL - thus; no forced entry. The person was already in the house.

Maybe there is no significance to the doorknob, deadbolt in the position that they are in, but both could be reached by a child of five.

luckyday, I thought I saw Ron say somewhere that Haleigh couldn't reach the deadbolt but haven't been able to find it.  Do you know where I could find the interview/article that states that.  I also thought I had read somewhere that Ron had put in a new deadbolt, but can't find that either.  ::MonkeyConfused::  Not sure why he would lie about that, if he did.

Yes, and then Misty panicked and staged the doors, could very well be.

I know he lied about the dead bolt because he made a big deal about stressing that the lock was way up high on the door and there was "no way" either kids could have opened/unlocked it. The dead bolt is 3 feet high (as per NG producer) which is the same heighth as HL.

Ron may or may not have said that. In fact, it was stated he told two people. So, that comment is subjective because it cannot be proved. It is heresay. But his statement about the door is all over the media.

No cookie this pic goes with the one of Ron w/the bruises on his face, we speculated a car/motorcycle/atv accident  I really wish there was a date on the pic because I bet it ties up with his charges of leaving the scene of an accident with injuries involved.

I was just trying to point out that he looks to have had the gold ring prior to Misty.  Haleigh looks to me to be about 3 in this pic or atleast younger to me.

IMO - Since not one member of either side of the family thinks there is any way that Haleigh would go by herself and open the back door at night - I think that maybe we're reading too much into how high the deadbolt was on the back door. Ron probably just imagined it in his head - and since he knows in his heart that she didn't open the door by herself - he dismissed it as an impossibility. And I think we can all agree that the possibility that she propped the screen door open with a cinderblock in the middle of the night - a little girl afraid of the dark - sleeping with the adults - I don't know I just don't see it... This is my opinion only with all respect to the thoughts of others...this baby didn't wander off...she didn't go searching for anybody...she was taken. An adult opened and propped open these doors.

I think that that door was left unlocked simply because someone forgot to relock it, regardless of where they were and why they had went out of it, it was left unlocked   I live in the country here in Florida too, in a small town in the woods and I have went to bed once or twice and left my door unlocked and thought nothing of it, this is just how it is in a small town such as this, we never think or suspect there;s some nasty person stalking around out side waiting to come inside and snatch a child, in my opnion it wasnt even a stranger but someone that knew that child was there....

You can also see one on his left hand if you look closely.

While searching for the comment about the door, I found this:

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

Still looking, but I remember it was in an interview.

Something else has been buggin me, about the comments that Misty put on Amber's My Space page.

Sounds to me that she BROKE UP AMBER & Ron's relationship.  Maybe she told Ron lie's about Amber.  I mean, if RON actually loved Misty, there would be no guess as to why he and Amber broke up....and then Misty stepped in.

But..have not heard anything to that effect..and it is pretty childish for Misty to write those comments...almost, as if...GUESS WHO WON!!!!  Sounds as a ...I will get him kinda thing. As if she seen something there, that she did not have, and in order to get it, she maybe brought problems between Ron and Amber.

Wonder how long it had been after he and Amber broke up, that Misty entered the picture. Also, the comment about having his baby!!!! 

Could it just not be that he was "mistaken" and didn't lie? He doesn't believe at all that Haleigh opened the door - and mistakenly believed that it was too high for her? He wasn't standing there looking at it-the door was used rarely. He was trying to picture it in his head and that's what he thought. I'm just sayin'....

Good job thank you Brandi!  I missed the one on his hand.  Haleigh seems younger in this pic to me, wish it had a date.

link about lock from former owner.  Former tenant put lock on.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131566&catid=3

He was also so concerned about the back door not being secure, he and a friend installed a sliding lock.

"My son was a short 9," Smallwood tells us, "and we put the latch up too high for him to reach."

But when asked if the door could be opened even with the latched locked he said, "A man could [open it]."

I really can't be sure if I heard/read him say it at all, or if I just read it on a message board.  That's why I was hoping for a link.

This man lived there almost 10 years ago.  There is a good chance the lock(s), and even possibly the door, have been replaced since.

I also heard Crystal say that the little brother told her a  black man, dressed in black, got sissy.  I heard that myself in the interview but I have never heard that mentioned again either.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of lock is on that back door? Is it a deadbolt? Do you need a key, or is there a know on the inside? How do you work that back door lock?

CUMMINGS: There is a lock on the knob on the inside, and it has a deadbolt also. The deadbolt is very hard to get unlocked once you get it locked. You have to push in hard on the door, and a child would never get that unlocked.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty--go ahead. I'm sorry, Ronald.

CUMMINGS: I do keep it locked. I do check it every afternoon before I leave for work. It is always locked, always.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, do you ever use that doo yourself, go in and out that door?

CROSLIN: I mean, once in awhile I will take the garbage out through the back door, or leave through the back door and take a vacuum and vacuum the car out. But that is the only time we use the back door.
<snipped from> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

I hope this one helps;

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of lock is on that back door? Is it a deadbolt? Do you need a key, or is there a know on the inside? How do you work that back door lock?

CUMMINGS: There is a lock on the knob on the inside, and it has a deadbolt also. The deadbolt is very hard to get unlocked once you get it locked. You have to push in hard on the door, and a child would never get that unlocked.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty--go ahead. I'm sorry, Ronald.

CUMMINGS: I do keep it locked. I do check it every afternoon before I leave for work. It is always locked, always.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, do you ever use that doo yourself, go in and out that door?

CROSLIN: I mean, once in awhile I will take the garbage out through the back door, or leave through the back door and take a vacuum and vacuum the car out. But that is the only time we use the back door.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?

CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they leave?

CROSLIN: They got there about 5:00. And they stayed for about 30 minutes until about 5:30, 5:45.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, I understand that there does not appear to be any forced entry into the home in that back door. So how do you think it got open?

CUMMINGS: I honestly don't have any clue. I don't have any clue. Somebody, maybe a locksmith, picklock artist, I do not know. But it was definitely locked, and somebody came in through it. So I cannot explain it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, let me ask you this same question. Misty, how do you think that door got open?

CROSLIN: Someone had either picked the lock, they would have had to pick the lock. That is the only way that anybody could have gotten in our back door is if they picked the lock.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of where you were sleeping, Misty, and Haleigh was sleeping, who was closer to the back door?

CROSLIN: Haleigh would have probably been closer to the back door. She was on the side of the wall closest to the kitchen.

I'll keep looking because there was alot said about the lock in a few interviews IIRC.

http://www.mahalo.com/answers/current-events/what-time-did-ronald-cummings-leave-for-work-on-monday-february-9th-he-insists-the-deadbolt-was-locked-how

This is very interesting, many clips/videos - on the HLN video, Mike Brooks is talking about the door locks and how Ron said they were up high.

My thoughts:

1) Ron works in a job that is going to bang up his limbs. I'm sure OSHA forbids wearing jewelry while on the job. He didn't have access to his jewelry until the house was released. Reading too much into the rings, etc.
2) The deadbolt is about 3 feet high - true. Ron stated Haleigh couldn't reach it. I believe he just doesn't think there is any way Haleigh would go out by herself and just pictured in his mind that it was too high for her.
3) There would be evidence if someone else was in the house partying with Misty. In the trash there would be drinks/cans. In the sink there would be glasses used. There would be cigarette butts with dna on them. Nobody saw anybody there. There has been nothing from LE about anybody else being there.
4) These are young people. They have relationship drama. It's normal it happens. They're not 35 year old people that are established in their lives.
5) There is no information - I REPEAT - NONE - that would indicate there were drugs in the house that night.
6) Any rumor about the kids not wanting to go back to Ron's - well they're coming from Crystal's side of the family. How many times have you heard these things when there are custody struggles/issues? Almost always.
7) There is nothing anywhere that shows that Misty was anywhere other than home that night. By all accounts from family - she was there. All of the other stuff on the i'net has been perpetuated by rumors that have grown out of proportion.
8) How did the rumor about Misty being pregnant get started? Because someone thought she looked ill in a screen shot? Seriously? I think this is just plain wrong.

I'm sorry, but I think if these rumors continue to go unchecked they become assumptions by everyone trying to sift through the facts and help figure out what happened. These nasty rumors about them will be available to anybody for the rest of the young people's lives. What happens when they turn up innocent of any wrongdoing? What responsbility do we have in trashing their reputations? What is our intent here...is it to help find Haleigh?

Ron did say that about the lock...but I agree with Lily that he may have thought that the kids could not reach it since he didn't have Haleigh there at the time to see? I have many doors, locks in my home and to tell you the truth, have not thought about my grand daughters being able to reach them....but looking at the doors now, I would say that they could reach the lock but may not be able to turn the lock...
I don't think that Haleigh would ever go out by herself in the dark either so I don't think that she would have opened the door at night even if she could..

But, he did finish it and in reality he did two rather large tatoos.  I am not an expert in the cost of tatoos, but I think they are rather pricey.  Plus they discussed doing something with the one on his back. 

also, maybe the tattoo artist said that because it made him sad to be putting Haleigh's picture on Ron? or maybe Ron was crying or being sad about it? could be a number of reasons why and maybe not all negative to Ron...? just sayin'..

Well, if you saw the original tattoo video, the reporter spoke with those inside when hw was getting the tattoo, and they told the reporter that he rarely spoke of Haleigh, and mainly talked about how much money he was getting ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Right.  He goes on making plans to finish/fix Ron's tattoos, then posts these messages on youtube.  It may not even be him posting these.  Here is another, anyway.

Under channel comments:  http://www.youtube.com/user/cuppy199

All I can help ya with here is this snippet from a news article from last month:
"Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months."

You're right; We don't know if he got married to Misty recently. Looking at  past actions, 3 pregnancies and two baby-mamas, those events didn't compel him to marry; so why should this time be different?... if Misty were pregnant?

Yes, there is definitely another way to read into what's being said. I guess it just happens to be who is interpreting it.

Why did he lie about any of the other things?? He tends to lie, at least according to the transcripts I have and his court record when in the child custody case he said he never did drugs ::MonkeyEek:: WTF? He had just been arrested in Sarasota on mutliple drug charges, one of them was a felony drug charge..........hmmmm. ::MonkeyRoll::

If there's are other ways to interpret this one, let me know.

" amsterdampictures
   
amsterdampictures (4 hours ago)
if i wanted my work on tv i would have given interviews to all the stations that wanted me on I did not ask for this and dont want it,quit bothering me and spend your time posting and reposting haleighs picture get in your car and look.if all the nuts who have written me that are sending him money and paying his bills and for his tattoos. spend the money on finding HALEIGH1
!! "
http://www.youtube.com/user/cuppy199

I would like to see that video. Do you know where it is available? 

I think I may be watching the wrong news channels because I am not seeing hardly anything on this case.  Are they showing more details, etc. in the Florida area?

Thanks, I do recall that. Also, rumor has it Ron got into an altercation Saturday while he was four wheeling, according to a local that was there and saw and heard it all. Much more detail, but again I have no idea, the post has been pulled I believe.

There seems to be plenty of that going, all around.  I can't understand the reasoning.  A little girl is missing.  The rest means nothing.  The lying is making them all look bad.  Fess up or just say "it's none of your damn business".

IIRC and I'll find the source if needed, Chad had been told by Marcus that Ron had told him (Marcus), and that was told to Crystal.

I called Marie, and spoke to T from Pensacola who lives about 8 miles from me to verify that she ALSO over heard him say that he was 75% sure he took Haleigh.....maybe he was trying to act all tough and I'm gonna kill him etc., or maybe T and Marcus are telling the truth.

I can't see another way to interpret that.

Good post, lilymarie.

When we are theorizing, we should make it very clear that it is just a theory. And, those theories should be backed by facts when possible.

JMO.

Not great quality, but here it is.  At about 1:50 into the video.
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=ron%20cummings%20tattoo&hl=en&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

but Crystal clearly said that Ron had told Chad and her brother...I saw the video myself...think it might have been on that Geraldo fiasco....then a few days later she says the it was a misunderstanding,that ron had told Marcus and a woman who is a stranger to all of them, but came up to visit after Haleigh had gone missing...now why would ron say that to a complete stranger? and where is this woman? has she ever been questioned about that and is there anything officially that she was told that? again, chinese whispers by Crystal and her family to try to make ron look bad...for whatever reason....you would think with the circumstances of a missing child that they could put their differences aside until Haleigh is found...this goes for both sides although I have yet to hear ron's side trash Crystal or her family...IIRC

I agree totally.  And I tried to say that in a previous post as shown below:

And I see nothing wrong with theorizing as long as the theories are based on fact. But as you say we really having nothing here but theory.  And it seems to me the theories are very one sided and strictly based on speculation.

However, a couple of people did not like what I said.  But, I am saying it again.

WELL, there is only one way to interpret the interview he gave outside Ace's and Eights and the comments from the tattoo parlor workers (all about moneyhe was getting) ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well I don't agree...but that's ok

I'll go look~but almost every one on SM that day watched that video............I'm not sure if they are on now, but if they are they can tell you that NONE of the workers wanted to be on camera, but they said he was talking about how much money he was getting, etc. Looks like having a missing child is becoming more and more profitable ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Minnie. I just think it makes it more difficult to sift through all of the posts that come up with good tidbits of facts that make it fun to try to "sleuth". Detectives don't allow themselves to get sucked into the rumor mill. I'm no detective but if I try to analyze my true motives from my heart here - its to try to see if I can think of something that will bring this baby home. I don't want to be a voyeur into someone's horrible grief or a part of trashing anybody's reputation. Especially if they turn out to be like Mark Lunsford - INNOCENT.

Thanks~that's the one!!!!!!!! Not much left to interpret from that, unless I'm deaf ::MonkeyRoll::

There have been so little facts released and there isn't much to do other than speculate.  Theorize and speculate...aren't they really one in the same?

I think it seems to be more one-sided due to the fact that the children were living with the father, and at the time in the care of the father's gf.  I think it would be the obvious place to start.  It's not like any facts have been giving out as far as the innocence of these two goes, so it's only practical to keep digging on them.  I'm not saying other angles shouldn't be looked at, but someone in that household holds some kind of clues or answers.

heh .. I often have the minority opinion, the unpopular one. Doesn't bother me.

I am not here to be popular. I am here to voice my opinions and help bring Haleigh home and/or bring her justice.

I more than often do not even look at who is posting what, I just reply to the posts. But I can tell rana's posts without looking ... so many *snorts* and stuff.

 ::MonkeyEek::

I guess I'm just not following the point here? It wouldn't be the first time for me tho...

She is here, where I live......except she's inland and I'm not, and from what I understood from her, she overheard it.

Actually, if I thought my ex or his gf/babysitter knew he took my child, or if I thought their lifestyle had a bearing in her being around people I wouldn't approve of (I'll let y'all take that for what it is), I would do everything in my power to try and pressure them to give up any tidbit they may be withholding, even the smallest clue could've meant the difference in life and death for her and I'd have stood my ground and demanded to know WTF happened that night, why their stories have changed more than 3 times, and WTH was he thinking letting a kid herself become fulltime caregiver. But, maybe that's just me-I'd be pizzed!!!!!!

YW.  When I first watched the video, I took what the reporter said with a grain of salt (as I do with all reporters).  After reading the youtube comments, and comparing that video with another taken at the tattoo parlour posted by the same user, I'm leaning towards believing that this was the actual tattoo artist that made these comments.

Just so I'm clear~you think it's ok that he was talking about all the money he was getting from this tragedy..........did you listen to the entire video Sieko posted?

I agree.  Crystal seems to be a lot more subdued than what I would in those circumstances.  I didn't agree with the whole Geraldo thing, but got the impression it was done out of desperation.

Believe it or not I totally agree with you Seiko! And it IS frustrating that LE has released so little information and hasn't cleared anybody yet. And I am NOT saying that Ron and/or Misty are innocent. I'm just saying that there is a difference between speculating/theorizing based upon facts - and pure making stuff up. Especially some of the stuff about pregnancy's, whether or not they had sex in front of the kids, calling people "liars" when it could just as easily be a misunderstanding, etc. Look, if this were me, I would want them to look into every nook and corner of my life. But making up stuff - and allowing it to become fact online - is not right

Again, this was someone else's interpretation of what he said. We don't know what he said. We don't know the context - or how much else was said. This is some tattoo parlor employee. This does not point to Ron's guilt or innocence at all. It may have been in bad taste - but whatever. I think the tattoo was a bad idea - but only because it gave so many people who have preconcieved ideas about tattoos and those that have them something to talk about.

I personally don't have any tattoos but I don't think it says something about somebody.

quote from Lily:Again, this was someone else's interpretation of what he said. We don't know what he said. We don't know the context - or how much else was said. This is some tattoo parlor employee. This does not point to Ron's guilt or innocence at all. It may have been in bad taste - but whatever. I think the tattoo was a bad idea - but only because it gave so many people who have preconcieved ideas about tattoos and those that have them something to talk about.

I personally don't have any tattoos but I don't think it says something about somebody.

also, maybe ron said something like, Man, so many people have sent me money....meaning, I can't believe how generous and kind people have been to us for Haleigh? remember, he is not the most articulate person around....it could have been anything heard, a part of a sentence, taken out of context...etc..

I don't have a tattoo, but that isn't what bothers me....it's the fact that he drove 200 miles away to get a tattoo (which is horrific and does no justice to that beautiful child), spent $400 that could have gone towards fliers, reward money etc, then spouts of about the money that's coming in...........then add in the mix that the actual tattoo artist commented about how foolish people were sending him $$ instead of using that money to find Haleigh, that's perspective from the tat artist..........not me.

Maybe I just missed lots, but all I saw here was a discussion on the possibility that Misty could be pregnant and the possibility of marriage.  I haven't seen anything stated as fact.

The monkeys here seem to be bright enough to pick the facts out of the garbage.  The rest of the WWW, well, can't do much about that.

Oh and as mellow as my life has been, I still wouldn't want anyone picking my life apart.  That pot I smoked in highschool could come back to haunt me.  ::MonkeyEek::

I look at it totally different.  This father was taking care of his daughter.  He has dealt with her illness and those expenses.  He has also been raising his son.  This says a lot to me about his character and love for his children.

I think that if he was involved in some bad drug deal, or was an informant, or whatever he was the enemy would have gone after him.  They could have just as easily waited outside for him to come home and blown his brains out.  That is how those people think.  Someone took this little girl because they saw her as a sexual object.

Also if Ron or Misty were responsible for something happeing to Haleigh they could have put her body in the water or whatever and not reported an abduction.  His original 911 call was heart retching.  And he didn't even understand how 911 worked it seemed to me.  He thought the person Misty was talking to was the police and not the operator.  He wanted her to come right then and stop asking questions.  The operator explained to Misty that the police were on their way and she was not the one coming.

And I think we should all take what the reporter on the video outside the tatoo parlor said with a grain of salt.  He is just looking for sensationalism.  And what he reported was heresay.

And BTW do we know if any of them have a lawyer?

How do you know Misty didn't clean up when she woke up? How do you or we know that she awoke at 3am?? She could have woken up at midnight, 1am, HL gone. Panics. Has to come up w/something. Cleans up - no beer bottles, cig butts, drugs, etc. She even said on the 911 call, "I was cleaning", then later "We were sleeping". Which one is it???

35 is still young to me, so I did not get your point at all. I know kids there age that are a lot more mature than people my age. And what does "it's normal, it happens" mean? WHAT is normal? WHAT happens?

So, am I to assume that if Crystal's side of the family is speaking, it is all rumors? But, if Ron's side (There is nothing anywhere that shows that Misty was anywhere other than home that night. By all accounts from family - she was there. All of the other stuff on the i'net has been perpetuated by rumors that have grown out of proportion.) speaks, it is written in stone??

Hmmm where do theories and speculations come from:

Inconsistancies- Many inconsistancies since the 911 call
1 Where they were sleeping- 3 different stories
2.The clothing Haleigh was wearing
3.High dead bolt
4.The blanket
5.Why didnt Misty mention on the Greta interview when asked who was over that night that Granny stopped over..
6.Why wait for 30 minutes passed to call 911- Was Misty cleaning up the area before
police arrived- Every minute counts
7.Was Teresa called before or after the 911 call because she got their pretty fast
and at least a 15 ride.
8. When you tell the truth the story doesn't change..


And theirs more inconsistancies- Feel free to add..

When children are left in care of parents, babysisters, ect.. And they are hurt or abducted because they are left alone to go out should be punished to the fullest.

Friends and associations even family members who do drugs, party all the time , sex offender friend, rough crowd should have no business around children. Those who you associated with does and could put your children in harms way..

And if your afraid to come clean with stuff because your afraid to lose custody
and put yourself first shame on you and God will take care of you if the law doesnt..

What are children going think and what impact on their lives what family means..
You have a young girl Misty a minor calling the children hers- her daughter a 5 month relationship. What happens when they break up- How many g/fs or flings in the children's life are call mom or g/fs considered their daughters or sons as theirs.. This is messed up.. ::MonkeyTongue::

And this is my oppinion and it will not change.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Ya, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I must not be making my point very well.

I don't see Ron's family bashing Crystal's character. And truth be told: If I were Crystal and/or her family - and lost custody of my kids - I would be seriously ps'd about someone else - a 17-y-o mothering my children when my daughter went missing. I would. I would question what was going on there OUTLOUD. It would be human nature.

I'm just saying that the responsible adults that were with the children a lot (grandmothers, ggrandmothers, aunts, etc... ) all have agreed with when/where the kids were up to about 6:00 that evening. They were being fed dinner. If Crystal had company and cleaned up - where is the trash? I'm sure LE went thru it - I can't imagine that they did not.

And about the nature of 20-year-olds - - - I have 3 boys in that age range. I've seen the girlfriends and relationships and the nature of young men that age. So you're right on this one - this is my point of view only. Not a fact about Ron & Misty at all.

So its not my business how anyone goes about their day on the i'net. I think someone needs to defend the side of fairness and call out character bashing and rumors when thats what they are.

PEACE

Ron stepped up.  Haleigh looked happy in almost all of her photos, including the ones with Misty.  Crystal appears to be straight up about her past.  44 RSO's live in the area.  Cousin Joe left the night Haleigh disappeared(?).  Etc.  Etc.  Etc.   We can speculate/theorize on any one of them.

Or we can just sit here and twiddle our thumbs.

Nor, should it!!!!

add to this:

the bus stop - Ron says he picked her up @3:45pm - T.Neives says she picked her up that day.

the 911 call" We were sleeping" "I was cleaning".

The gun and the fight: Ron says no fight. Others say fight.

Did Ron work 8 hours or 10??? His pastor says Ron told him that day he worked 8 hours.

Did Ron find out about HL when he drove up & saw Misty on the porch or did she call him first?  She has said both.

The van: "my blanket was the the van" What van??

One more thought...WHY would Ron's family lie for Misty? What would be a reason at all for that? They wouldn't.

If they thought Misty harmed Haleigh - they would not lie for her.

And one more thing granny didnt comeout if I remember correctly did not come out say say she was there @ the Cummings home until the speculation that Misty left the home that night., also in the beginning I though Granny drove by and just waved.. ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry, but w/Ron's drug record and Misty's conflicting statements, I will continue to point the finger at them. If this is considered "bashing and rumors", so be it.

Why? Because he left the children in Misty's care and he could lose custody.... ::MonkeyTongue::

You guys must be getting way more news coverge on this than I am seeing here in Texas.  Some of these details you are talking about I have never heard.

What is the story about the blanket?  And Ron committing robbery at gun point?  I have not heard these details.

I do remember Crystal saying that she wasn't saying anything bad about Misty and that she was 17 when she and Ron got married.  I don't know how old she is now, but sounds like she could relate.

the bus stop - Ron says he picked her up @3:45pm - T.Neives says she picked her up that day.

Where are there two different versions of this? I don't know I haven't seen it.

the 911 call" We were sleeping" "I was cleaning".

I only heard her say she was sleeping in the 911 call. I heard her say later on a video that she was cleaning before she went to bed.

The gun and the fight: Ron says no fight. Others say fight.

How does this become a fact? One person "said" a fight. Ron said "no". If you can't prove one of them - and then prove the other is lying then it is speculation.

Did Ron work 8 hours or 10??? His pastor says Ron told him that day he worked 8 hours.

I'm sure the pastor assumed an 8 hour day. Who wouldn't? LE knows how many hours Ron worked.

Did Ron find out about HL when he drove up & saw Misty on the porch or did she call him first?  She has said both.

Where is the proof? I have only seen forum rumors that she called him first.

The van: "my blanket was the the van" What van??

I have heard that a sis-in-law or someone has a van that was taken in for forensics testing.  

So its less important to them to find out that Misty harmed Haleigh than it is for Ron to keep custody of JR and all 3 of them live with Misty?

In Misty's first interview she said something along the lines of "they took my blanket in the van" (not exact quote).  She didn't specify what/who's van.

Ron committing robbery at gunpoint came from people that claim to be related to the family(s), and rumours heard by locals.  It hasn't been proven as far as I know.

In the beginning Crystal wasn't saying anything bad about Ron or Misty.

My thoughts exactly.  Why? Because he left the children in Misty's care and he could lose custody

Statement in green is ridiculous and a total oxymoron.

That doesn't make sense to me either, but then again much of how this family is reacting doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I've always thought Ron's record was fair game. And I do think that the true conflicting statements that Misty made that evening deserve scrutiny. I have an opinion about that and I've stated it before but it truly is only my opinion and everyone's opinion is interesting to me about this.

Some of what's being stated as "conflicting statements" are just pure i'net rumor. When I look for proof of things being said - they can't be found.

Exactly-Losing custody because he left the children in Misty's care and Haleigh was abducted if she left the home that night and left the children alone.. careless, foolish, selfish and irresponsible.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I have to run out for a while.  Hope to see some good news when I return.

Have a great afternoon everyone!

go to Misty Croslin interview CBS and you will hear her yourself say she called him and then called 911.

If you want to listen or hear the transcript of the 911 call, it is all over this board or just google "Haleigh Cummings 911 call". She says both - "We were sleeping"  "I was cleaning".

Ya there just is no explanation for this? Are you saying the family would rather not have Misty punished for harming their precious baby than risk Ron having to deal with a custody issue?

I hope I am misunderstanding what you're saying?

Lily, have you been following this case from the start?  WE have!!  The things above that you are questioning, we have heard them FROM the people themselves in interviews. 

Please, whether you have or haven't followed the case from the beginning, take a few days and read back thru all the threads and get yourself caught up, before you start questioning so much on what others post in here. 

but ron left the children with someone..someone who had cared for his children for 5 months from the sound of things...He did not leave the children alone...if Misty did, then that is on her, not Ron...what about parents who leave their children at day cares and the child is hurt/murdered by the day care provider...should the parents then lose custody of their other children?
think that is very harsh .....what if Misty was there and sleeping and someone still came in and took Haleigh, should he still lose custody?

http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=401&Itemid=1

Misty saying she called Ron first.

but ron didn't answer his phone right? seems I remember reading that on here as well....

http://www.electroniccrossing.com/blog6.php/haleigh-cummings-911-call-transcript

911 call transcript

Yes- If it is drug related- ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok. Did YOU read the whole transcript?

The question was, "when did you LAST see her?"

Misty said, "it was 10 o'clock we were sleeping I was cleaning".

I suppose if she had said "they" were sleeping then you wouldn't take this as an inconsistency?

I agree it is a small inconsistency - take it and run with it.

I just think it was a slight mis-statement trying to get the information out. IMHO its a big stretch.

Not sure on that. I am certain they can go back and look at cell records.

I was wondering about the pop ups also. I keep getting  red windows that say warning not safe to open site.

In your opinion, minnie, please lets not forget to include that when making a judgement call on someone else's words.  Thanks. 

Seriously? ok

trying to put myself in Misty's place...if I was babysitting for someone else's child and I realized that the child was missing, would I call the parent so that they could rush home or would I call 911 first who rightfully so, would keep me on the line until police got there...who would then want all the info and would be questioning me...when would I call the parents if not before? or would the police call them for me....? probably...
I am sure that my first thought would be to call 911...but we have to remember that she was probably so upset and that she is only 17? God forbid that any of us would be in this horrible position....

Agreed.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A small inconsistency??? She has said she was asleep - she was exhausted. Now, she was cleaning??? I do not find that a small anything. I find it huge. Kinda like Casey Anthony saying Zanny the Nanny had Caylee. Or that Casey was in Jacksonville when she was actually in Orlando. It is the tiny details in ones account of events that matters.

this should apply to everyone posting on this subject then...in my opinion...

Good Afternoon Monkey's

I am going to take a long lunch break..

God Bless Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

In one interview it seems Ron was saying that Misty called him on the phone as he was driving up to the house.  Yet in another interview he says that she was sitting on the porch as he drove up and he asked her what she was doing awake.  Those seem like inconsistencies on Ron's part, and yet that could be because he told that story in different ways.  It is possible that both things happened at the same time.  He drove up as she was calling him, he saw her sitting on the porch.  All we have are Ron's words, and the 2 ways he explained that. 
 

The even more comical part is a 17 year old cleaning that evening, washing a blanket that smelled like pee.

YES I AGREE. IN MY OPINION.

If someone is willing to say that they think Ron's family is covering up Misty harming Haleigh so that Ron won't lose custody then they should own up to that statement as their own opinion. Its just so harsh against grieving grandparents, grandparents, aunts, etc...IN MY OPINION.

It does apply to everyone posting in this forum, on any subject.  And it's not just my opinion, which is why I did not put IMO, cuz this has been a general thing we all try to follow.  It's what seperates opinions/theories from fact.  And it's more polite. 

I notice that IM, Wyks,  Jerseygirl, No Rose, Luckyday, Seiko, and others use links and  quotes with verifiable references using Ron's,  Misty's, Mrs. Neves, and Mrs. Sykes own words in the posts/discussion. IMO, somone's words - coming out of their own mouth via video - doesn't seem like speculation to me unless someone is computer generating fake interviews. Interpret however you like, but IMO it seems rude to  tell others how they should interpret it.

And it was said here that some opinions are based on "salacious rumors."  The posters who have theories about Ron and/or Misty are not in my opinion, "judging" them and pulling comments out of the clear blue sky. From what I've read here, the comments are NOT based on "salacious rumors" but on real inconsistencies, actions, behaviors, words, documented records, and verbatim transcripts... real things that can be seen, heard, and observed. That is reality. Deal with it or not, but I don't think telling others not to say it - or what to say - or to keep it to a minimum - is polite to fellow posters.

Also, there has been FBI profiler input posted here by IM, others; and I posted some as well. I also posted 911 call analysis, info about deception detection, and articles on psych research. These are tools used by folks who work in the psych field as well as FBI and other LE. If you don't like it don't read it; But it's real. It exists. Careers are spent working in these fields and using these tools.

I think people should interpret however you choose, but don't tell others what to post b/c you don't like someone else's theory/viewpoint. No one that I've seen has stated their opinion as FACT. It is all theory when someone posts "IMO... in my opnion." THAT - to me - makes it very clear that it's intended to be read as an opinion and not FACT. I don't see anyone trying to pass off their opinions as fact. I don't see that at all.

To tell someone whose opinion you don't value or agree with to "keep it to a minimum" is rude and dismissive. Everyone has an opinion and there's no rule that anyone should be told to keep theirs to a minimum - at least not that I am aware. In fact, Klaasend addressed and clarified that last night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html
this should help clear up some things.

Thank-you Rana  ::MonkeyCool::

Agreed Wyks but it doesn't always happen as you know...

Rana, in keeping it to a minimum - W.O.R.D. to your entire post!!

Why?

I haven't heard the quote from Misty in quite that way before.  Anyone know where this particular quote came from? 

From what I recall, Misty has said that she put the kids to bed around 8p, then did a load of laundry (blanket/s), while she put a sheet over Haleigh, and then she cleaned house.  She has said that she last saw Haleigh around 10p, when the blanket/s were dry and she had covered Haleigh with that, and went to sleep herself.   I've heard her say in another interview that the last time she saw Haleigh was at 8p when she (Haleigh) went to bed.  This was part of her ever-changing stories.  Could be that Misty remembered more details from interview to interview, which *could be* why some of what she has said seem different.  Same with Ron and his inconsistencies.  They have told these stories in different ways. 

And she began the 911 call with:  "We were sleeping..." 

I am an old woman and I may get banned for what I am about to say. If so....so be it. This is a forum for Haleigh Cummings. Every Monkey has a right to their opinion. Police are not releasing any info. and no one knows anything concrete on what the police have. IMHO...there is nothing to do but speculate. All any of us have.... has been on the videos of interviews. Somebody somewhere in these 2 families is lying. Plain and simple.

All this sniping at each other seems very childish to me and is disrespectful of Haleigh. All that matters is that Little Haleigh is found.

So carry on. This old Monkey is very sad at some of the actions in this forum.

IMO Misty does not at all look like the type that took cleaning to seriously, I just have a very hard time believing that is how she spent her evening. Again, my thoughts, and when my daughters were that age, I would have dropped over if they would have been cleaning, I just don't buy it.

Wyks...had not heard that particular quote in that same way either....And I agree with you...perhaps they both have remembered things after the moment...after they have had time to collect their thoughts with the passing time?

Rana - I've tried but I can't find where anyone told anyone to "keep it to a minimum"?

And I guess we have two minds here about how to go about "sleuthing" on a crime forum. I don't think we'll solve it here. Some of us like to speculate about interviews that can be seen and statements that can be read and information from LE that can be verified.

Others will run with ideas about how people look, what "friends" said to a friend of a poster, so-called insider information and rumors that somehow become "givens" after seeing them posted enough times. Some will even speculate about these people's sex lives, etc.

We all know which I prefer to be. And I will not stop calling out rumors and lies. Its not my nature. So in my opinion - we can all go about our business as long as we don't get personal with one another. Agreed?

Your right, there is nothing to do but speculate.  ::MonkeyCool:: And your right somebody is lying, for whatever reason.

Rose...yeah, most 17 yr olds are pretty lazy about cleaning aren't they?
still, the house looked really clean and tidy when the cameras came through there...someone had to have kept the place up for it to look that good...just my opinion...

The question from the 911 dispatcher was "when was the LAST time you saw her?"

So Misty said it was 10:00. She said "WE" were sleeping, "I" was cleaning.

IN MY OPINION - she was trying to say she last saw the kids at 10:00 as she was picking up/cleaning the house and that the kids were asleep.

That was the 911 call - In later interviews I think she has stated that she put them to bed at 8:00 and that she went to bed around 10:00 after working on laundry.

Its just me - but I don't see a big inconsistency here.

GG Sykes said she cleaned it. I think she even said what a mess it was due to LE tearing things apart, etc. Would bet it was messy to begin with. Not judging that - also, T. Nieves said on NG Friday that there was always dirty laundry on the floor.

Right, that's what was said.

Two of my teens were neat freaks, and two were...well ummmm....let's just say it wasn't pretty

I would imagine if she were doing laundry, she might have said, "The kids were asleep and I was doing laundry till 10 PM, and then I went to bed. That is the last time I saw HL."

Also, I remember reading another account ... where he mentions she 'answered the door'.
How can she answer the door, if she's sitting on the porch?

I'm not sure where I read that, I'll have to go search.

For me - I can only imagine how jumbled my words would be if I woke up to find a baby I was caring for missing. I certainly would not have had my words as well thought out as I would want them to be.

now why would you assume that it was messy to begin with??? what if anything has given you that impression?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder about this too?

and if her words/thoughts were that regimented and thought out, then some would say that it was planned and sounding too rehearsed...right?

From another old monkey. I think this should be the quote of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly - they can't win at this point. What's that saying? Damn'd if they do...damn'd if they don't. Some have already made up their minds and will take any information, rumor or whatever and make it fit into what they already believe. IMO.

That's true cookie!  I think those of us who are familiar with each other's writing styles understand when one of us says something and forgets to include IMO, that it still is their opinion.  We've gotten used to each other here and in other threads.  A new monkey coming in may not realize that tho, and misunderstandings are becoming more and more frequent.  Just trying to head those misunderstandings off at the pass so things don't get ugly in here.   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm sure some smart monkey will get the link, but Ron and Misty are getting married, and Misty has been showing her ring.  ::MonkeyEek:: It's over at WS in the basement.

Well - I think it is your opinion that somebody somewhere is lying. I don't necessarily think that anybody is lying. I think they are hurt, frustrated and desperate. IMO - someone else took Haleigh.

Actually, that was just ONE of the many inconsistencies:

FROM SM transcipts......either JVM or NG


 
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Detectives don`t know, either. Today they officially ruled Haleigh Cummings`s disappearance an abduction. Police believe someone snatched the 5-year-old from her Satsuma home. They say, at this point, everyone`s a suspect.

CUMMINGS: Yes, I have taken a polygraph. Yes, did I pass it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know where she is or who has her! I just want her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the back door was wide open, propped open with a cinderblock, but they don`t know whether it was left unlocked.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I put her to bed about 8:00 o`clock. I woke up and she was gone, and the back door was wide open! That`s the last I seen her is when I put her to bed!
 
 

Thanks, Luckyday. This is someone's opinion. Excerpt from Luckyday's link below.


LINK to video referenced in excerpt
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html (http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html)


"When I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don't have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I've noted:

1.)
When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child's cry. Most adults don't cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn't. It was notable and perplexing.

Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can't explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.

2.)
I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn't he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.

3.)
Why isn't he talking to his daughter on camera? "Haleigh, I'm here for you, if you are watching this. I'm going to find you." Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn't he thinking about being strong for her?

When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It's like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh's mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped. She says, "Everybody's here for you. If you're watching these, your momma misses you, daddy misses you ... your whole family misses you and we will bring you home" (source).

4.)
At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting "normally", but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It's not believable for me. If I re-look at this with the angle that Cummings could be feeling sorry for himself, it makes more sense.

5.)
He says, "I know somebody took my little girl...some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it's all over." This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, so how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn't wander away, that he didn't lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin's relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn't unlock another door or open a window when he was away?

Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me. "

There's more; but this got long.

Another Agreed ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree with you Darla that someone is lying here and that they know more than they are saying out of fear, ignorance what ever...but it is hurting Haleigh and they need to come forward!
I also think that some of the speculation and the sniping at Haleigh's family if very disrespectful of Haleigh as well...just my opinion...and it would be nice if it wasn't so slanted against Haleigh's father who may or may not be the father of the year, but I do believe that he loved his child and did not harm her...just my opinion of course...

Scoot on over Darla, I'll sit on that branch with ya!  The sniping at each other is not the way Monkeys tend to act with each other, and I for one as well, am sick of it.  It's one reason that I have been posting less and less.  There are some in here who seem to enjoy nothing better than to pick apart what others are saying, even tho it is just their own opinions.  I don't like what I'm seeing happen to Haleigh's thread/s, and I do hope that everyone who needs to, will simply take a deep breath, keep an open mind to the opinions of others, and go back to being kind to each other.  Newbies need to understand that we ARE kind to each other in here and on other threads.  They need good examples to follow, since we do not want to become like other unmentionable forums.  We have risen above that kind of behavior in Scared Monkeys, and we do not want to lose sight of that now.  All IMO <---

And what we say in here, when it's our own opinions, when put in respectful ways, such as your post and many others, nothing about it is bannable.  That we know and can trust.  Cuz our mods and admins rock!! 

 ::MonkeyDance::

I third that emotion.

Thanks for the info.  I did listen to the call and it sounded to me like she said she was sleeping, I finished cleaning."  This was in response to the operator asking when was the last time you saw her.  But, part of the transcript is below in blue.

911: “OK when did you last see her?”

Misty Croslin: “Um, we like just, you know…it was about 10 o’clock- she was sleeping- I was cleaning…

Seems there is a word before cleaning. 

I also listened to the other interview and she does say "I called her dad and then I called the police".  So, that is different as to what Ron said.  Has she been asked about that discrepancy?  But, also as to why she waited to call the police.  How many parents look for their children before calling authorities.  Plus she is 17 and was probably waiting for Ron to tell her what to do.  How do any of us know how we would react under those circumstances?

One last side bar.  That CBS interviewer really asked some stupid questions, didn't she?

not surprised.

IMO - disrespectful to Haleigh and all of the hours the family has put into trying to find out what happened to her.

Nobody on this forum is being disrespectful to Haleigh, nobody is, all we are doing is discussing.

Actually G-Gmma and gramma cleaned up, remember the article on it~the police had tossed it looking for evidence, so we really have no clue how it looked before....not saying it looked bad, just that we don't know.

I hear ya, NoRose!  Am thinking too that none of those things would be on a typical 17 yr old's agenda for an evening.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  That, coming from experience at having raised three of em into adulthood, and I would have had heart failure if any of them had done even one of those things, let alone all of em together in one night. 

Misty may not be a typical 17 yr old tho.  She may have done those things because she was trying hard to be 'a good mommy' to Ron's kids, and for Ron. 

Or... she may have done those things out of fear of being blasted by Ron when he got home for not doing them. 

Who knows?  I dunno....

I do know that we need more facts to work with, sure wish someone would start talking!!  This is like trying to put a puzzle together with most of the pieces either missing or that don't fit together in the first place.