Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #77

[Mary Ann]

Lucinda
The doll looks like it could be old, but I am and so are my daughters so I don't know what dollies look like today! It was left in Caylee's car seat naked. My girls dolls were "without clothes" most of the time, so I was not worried about it. However, all pictures of Caylee with her doll  showed it was clothed.
Gotta get ready to brave the ice..I am on the way to the Scleroderma Foundation.
Have a great day monkey friends! Justice will be served.

[theboyzmom]

That picture of Cindy and her "family friend" from earlier today is very disturbing to me.  It's so intimate, for lack of a better term.

The  only thing that disturbs me re: the photo is the term they use ... "family friend"   IMPOSSIBLE! They have no friends! This guy has to be a 'prop'. Why hasn't this person been in other photos all along? Family friend, my ass.

Rumor is that the guy is the person Cindy shacked up with when George was out of the house. He probably fell in love with Caylee also and wants to comfort them.

[cherjers]

I think the cops ceased to be amused with Cindy long ago...and the FBI.  Here is a list of things I noticed that were obvious lies or misrepresentations, done very deliberately to stall or mislead the cops.

 1.  THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT ON FATHER'S DAY.  Lee told LP that Cindy was so mad at Casey she lunged at her and grabbed her neck.  Obviously something happened to make Casey pack up and leave and not contact her parents for a while.  It is relevant to the case, though it does not really prove anything.

 2.  THEY GOT ALONG FINE.  George and Lee both said that Casey and Cindy had been arguing about Caylee and other things for months.  Cindy talked to the FBI guy as if they were two peas in a pod and seldom had a cross word.

 3.  CASEY WAS A WONDERFUL MOM.  Cindy threatened to get custody of Caylee.  You do not do that if you think your daughter is a great mother.

 4.  CINDY KNEW CASEY WAS PLANNING TO LEAVE.  Cindy wrote in her online post that Caylee had been taken away unexpectedly, just as she had arrived.  She did not want Caylee to leave, though she might have been willing for Casey to leave.  There were no plans in that direction since Casey had no way of supporting herself.  She left because she was angry.

 5.  CINDY AND CASEY TALKED EVERY DAY AFTER CASEY LEFT.  Nonsense.  In one email to Casey, Cindy wrote "Remember me?"

 6.  CINDY TRUSTED CASEY.  Nope.  She wrote in her post that she worried about who was "watching out for the little angel now" indicating she was not at all sure that Casey would take proper care of Caylee.

 7.  CINDY SUPPORTED CASEY NOT WORKING, ETC.  No.  She paid the bills, but she threw it in Casey's face a lot that she paid for everything.  She resented Casey not paying her own bills and said so in that famous online post.

 8.  SHE WAS OKAY WITH CASEY GETTING PREGNANT.  No.  Casey was scared to death to tell Cindy she was pregnant.  Cindy referred to the baby as a "mistake" several times, though she said she was a good mistake.  Cindy even told George and Lee and Amy, I think, that Casey resented her being so close to Caylee and said in the online post that Casey was jealous.  This could go to motive.

 9.  THE FAMILY HAS NO IDEA WHO THE FATHER OF CAYLEE IS.  There have been so many lies about this one, I do not know where to start.  Cindy may well have perjured herself at the hearing when she claimed not to know the name of the father.

10.  CASEY HAS NEVER HAD ANY MENTAL OR EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS.  Cindy told the FBI that Casey had not had either, but she also said that Casey once considered getting professional help and told Amy that Casey was a sociopath and a chronic liar.

11.  SHE BELIEVED THAT CAYLEE WAS STAYING WITH ZANNY THE LAST TWO YEARS.  No way.  Cindy would have met Zanny or found out all about her if that were true.  George said he suspected Casey had not had a job.  You know he would have mentioned that to Cindy.

12.  PIZZA CAUSED THE SMELL IN THE CAR.  Cindy and George and Lee all knew that was the smell of a dead body.

13.  THE INFAMOUS RECEIPT.  Cindy did not turn over one of the receipts that showed purchases by Casey after Caylee was missing.  Cindy told the detectives at an interview that there was nothing on the receipt that was of any importance.  That was for them to decide, not her.  She was withholding evidence that they wanted and needed.

14.  THE WRONG HAIRBRUSH.  Cindy claimed that was the only brush she could find.  But I am sure she found the other brush later, and did she give it to the LE?  Not that I know of. 

15.  WASHING THE PANTS.  She did not know where her granddaughter was.  She knew the car smelled of death.  She had told the 911 operator that something was clearly wrong, yet she washed the pants,

16.  CLEANING THE CAR TRUNK.  They knew the police would be coming to talk to Casey again, yet they cleaned the trunk, clearly disturbing key evidence.

17.  LEE GOING TO TONY'S AND PICKING UP THINGS.  Did someone tell him to do that?  As a former policeman, George should have known that was unacceptable.  And how does anyone know what he actually found there and what he did with it?

18.  CINDY PUTTING IDEAS INTO CASEY'S HEAD AND IN EFFECT, HELPING CASEY TO COME UP WITH A STORY.  Did it start when Cindy jumped to the conclusion that Caylee had been kidnapped and started trying to bolster that story in every way imaginable?  And did it continue in the jail visits when she said things like, "Has anyone been in our home?" and got Casey to say, "She had a key" and tried to implicate others?

Morning Monkeys  this is some post-now if we could get you  seat at the prosecutors table-we wouldn't have anything to worry about

[Fuzzball]

Cindy didn't like Jesse being on the bed or was it in the bed  ?? with Casey and Caylee, yet she lived with someone and wasn't divorced. Why would she take a broke and not a worker bee George back ? Alimony scare her ? George is the one who filed the divorce papers. 

So she really did have a boyfriend? WOW, I bet he ran for the woods once he met the children

 

There is a GINORMOUS difference between having sex with your bf, (It was Ricardo, not Jesse,) with your small child in the bed with you while you do it, and letting a bf move in when your children are grown and old enough to leave home.  And if your husband has moved out on you and filed for divorce, you do not owe him fidelity anymore at that point, and nobody has any business judging your sex life.  It's not like she had sex with this bf with Casey or Caylee in the bed. 

I still feel sorry for Cindy. George gambled away her retirement money, and has left her up to her neck in debt. He's gonna dump her the minute Casey's convicted and move on to another woman to drain dry. Meanwhile Cindy's alienated from her family, she's lost Caylee, her precious grandbaby. Cindy taught Caylee that song, "don't take Nana's sunshine away." Her daughter's either going to fry or go to prison for life. Lee's already distancing.

Cindy did all this enabling because she didn't want to be alone, IMO. And she's going to be alone after all. If she can find a bf with his own job who likes her, power to her, I say. Maybe she'd be less crazy with a man who isn't constantly using her and lying to her.

[Lucinda]

Lucinda
The doll looks like it could be old, but I am and so are my daughters so I don't know what dollies look like today! It was left in Caylee's car seat naked. My girls dolls were "without clothes" most of the time, so I was not worried about it. However, all pictures of Caylee with her doll  showed it was clothed.
Gotta get ready to brave the ice..I am on the way to the Scleroderma Foundation.
Have a great day monkey friends! Justice will be served.

have a great day, rug yourself up brrrrr.  Im about to head to bed soon. 

[Fuzzball]

Hello Monkeys.

I apologize in advance for not reading the whle thread...catching up seems impossible here tho I am tyring to keep up with you all.

Watching NG now.  Where Caylee sings the sunshine song, and "please don't take my NAN away"

If it happened in the Ants house, Caylee was screamimng for NAN.
The duct tape silenced her.

SO SAD

I think CA taught her to sing it that way, moo.

i agree.  Cindy was paramount in Caylees life.

I can't recall, is NAN what Caylee called Cindy?  I know we've heard that Cindy called herself Mom to Caylee.

I think she called her "Mommy" but also "Nana." she sings "please don't take Nan's sunshine away," which is probably how Cindy taught it to her. I get a feeling that Cindy encouraged Caylee to call her Mommy when Casey wasn't around, and Nana when she was around.

[Fuzzball]

Interesting, if thereis a bathing suit and a dress type article of clothing there, what the heck happened to the outfit George described in great detail? Liar liar.. no immunity for you either..

Well we have heard clothing and LP says a bathing suit and dress type article.  I think I'll just wait before I believe the bathing suit part.

Hi Klaas, good to "see" you tonight!!

I just don't know what to believe if it comes out of Padilla's mouth.  It's frustrating, cause I like the guy and I thought his heart was in the right place.  He says things so matter-of-factly (I know, that's not a word) and to me that makes it believable.  But I'm beginning to think he is blowing hot air at least half of the time.

I'm with you there. I admit I haven't been glued to the news, but LP is the only one I've heard say that the body was wrapped in a sheet, and when NG asked how he knew, he said because they took sheets from the house. I don't think I believe anything until I hear it from the sheriff's office or the FBI.
I found it odd that at first we were told there were no clothes found in the bag, but there were clothes close to it. Now we hear that there were clothes IN the bag. And how does LP know it was a swimsuit? If these investigators are leaking details to the reporters and people just standing around... that can't be good.
I think LP gets some of his stuff from reading these boards. Someone posted on WS the other day that on that nursing home video of Caylee singing, she is saying, "please don't take Nan's sunshine away..." and damned if he didn't repeat that on NG that same night. After I listened to it again.... they were right.. that's exactly what she is saying. And I cry every time I see and hear that. She was such a little beauty and so precious... how could anyone have done this to her!!!!

She was a really cute little girl. But every now and then all this emphasis on the "beautiful little three year old girl" Caylee bugs me. It starts to sound as if, if she had been ugly, we would be okay with the murder. I know that's not really true, but it starts to sound like it sometimes.

[txlisa]

Good Morning Monkeys!

I just saw here and at W/S, about the woman claiming to have pictures showing that there was no body in the area behind the A's home during a TES search.  She is definitely the whacked-out woman who was at BP park the day of the prayer service.  She was with the weird cowboy dude.  I don't know why Baez wants to talk to her, since she can be easily discredited. 

Lisa

[Lucinda]

goodnight monkeys, have a great day everyone.

[txlisa]

Cindy didn't like Jesse being on the bed or was it in the bed  ?? with Casey and Caylee, yet she lived with someone and wasn't divorced. Why would she take a broke and not a worker bee George back ? Alimony scare her ? George is the one who filed the divorce papers. 

So she really did have a boyfriend? WOW, I bet he ran for the woods once he met the children

 

There is a GINORMOUS difference between having sex with your bf, (It was Ricardo, not Jesse,) with your small child in the bed with you while you do it, and letting a bf move in when your children are grown and old enough to leave home.  And if your husband has moved out on you and filed for divorce, you do not owe him fidelity anymore at that point, and nobody has any business judging your sex life.  It's not like she had sex with this bf with Casey or Caylee in the bed. 

I still feel sorry for Cindy. George gambled away her retirement money, and has left her up to her neck in debt. He's gonna dump her the minute Casey's convicted and move on to another woman to drain dry. Meanwhile Cindy's alienated from her family, she's lost Caylee, her precious grandbaby. Cindy taught Caylee that song, "don't take Nana's sunshine away." Her daughter's either going to fry or go to prison for life. Lee's already distancing.

Cindy did all this enabling because she didn't want to be alone, IMO. And she's going to be alone after all. If she can find a bf with his own job who likes her, power to her, I say. Maybe she'd be less crazy with a man who isn't constantly using her and lying to her.

I don't feel sorry for Cindy.  I think she loves playing the victim.  The woman has a "martyr complex."

Lisa

[Fuzzball]

Hi fellow Monkeys, I've been lurking for a long time. I believe the last time I posted was at the very beginning on the first page.

I think that Cindy knew from the beginning that Caylee was deceased. I noticed she never returned any calls from kc for the first 2 weeks. kc was always trying to call her...odd. By June 30th, things changed. Cindy posted her Caylee is missing. I think it was a memorial to her. She knew on July 3rd that Caylee was gone....she writes, "All I am guilty of....."

What I don't understand is all the landscaping that took place after the 3rd. Moving that bush was a major undertaking that made no sense whatsoever. Then they decided to pave the playhouse. Did Cindy know Caylee was once in the backyard and was moved? and was she desperate to find out where kc took her...

I know this sounds "crazy"...but is it possible that Cindy was looking for a "dead" Caylee, not a live one.

If CA really wanted to find Caylee, all she had to do was call the car in stolen. She didn't. She was protecting kc.....but why? She and kc were alone on the 15th. CA speaks of the pool and how she handed Caylee off to kc when she was getting out. Then she speaks of tucking both of them in bed....a little much. Did Caylee drown? Is that why Cindy tried to strangle kc?

This is the end of my crazy thinking tonight. ..just wanted to share a different perspective...

Clarice, I never thought of it that way.  All this time I thought the Ants were trying to hide the body, but it makes a lot more sense that they were trying to FIND one.

[Nut44x4]

She was a really cute little girl. But every now and then all this emphasis on the "beautiful little three year old girl" Caylee bugs me. It starts to sound as if, if she had been ugly, we would be okay with the murder. I know that's not really true, but it starts to sound like it sometimes.

I will agree. The term 'High Profile' in certain cases has always bugged me too. Shouldn't be this way, but it is.

[cherjers]

Casey and Cindy were trying to put together a line of bull in their visits.  I am sure of that.  For instance, Casey made a point of saying that she never had to take clothes over to Zanny's for Caylee because Zanny had all kinds of clothes, toys, etc. there.  Hmmm What kind of sitter has that?  A sitter may have some extra clothes or may ask the parents to bring an extra set of clothes for the child in case needed.  But a whole closet of clothes in different sizes?  Not too likely.  Do they plan to claim that whatever clothes are found with or on the body were not Caylee's but were put on her by Zanny?

A Nanny comes to your house.  When you drop your child off it is daycare. MY daughter has a nanny-I have her cell phone number she has mind.  The whole family has met her since she is invited to all parties for my grand daughter.  My point is day care you would think the first thing you would do is give the phone number to your mother in case of an emmergency.   Since Zanny watch other children how is that KC never ran into the other mothers that were dropping thier children off.  Why is that Catlee never mention the names of the other children she played with. 
Yup! And let's not forget that Casey said Zanny also had LOTS of money.

Uh huh. She watches other people's children full time for the joy of it.

Exactly! I had to provide everything to my daycare lady back when my son was in daycare. From diapers, to sheets, to clothes and extra clothes, and socks, and wipes, and on and on. Plus I had to pay her on top of that. Yeah, apparently Zanny was a dream nanny--too bad she isn't real.

[cherjers]

Does anyone think George and Cindy are going to have any charges brought against them?  I think it's too late for immunity for them.  It looks like the body has been found.  They might have been able to strike some sort of a deal, but now, with finding Caylee, that's gone imo.

I do.  I have my own way out theory on what might have happened to Caylee and if it's anywhere close to what really happened, at least one of them is in major trouble.

Do tell!

  I don't think so.  I don't think they had anything to do with Caylee death.  They are guilty of of trying to cover it up and lying to LE--but I think LE will let it go.  Bottom line they have suffer a great loss there grand  daughter  that they loved and now their daughter.  If they moved the body or in any way helped her bury it the YES 

[txlisa]

So crazy "Cayleeisalive!" lady made and signed a statement to the FBI, she is in for a world of trouble now!  I wonder if the same people paying for Casey's defense are also paying this woman to obstruct justice?  Also, why would she have pictures of the area dry, when supposedly she is searching with TES and the FIRST TIME THEY WERE HERE WAS AFTER FAY?  My hinky meter is screaming now!

Lisa

[OriginalKat]

I don't think LP has been speaking from any leaks. I think he comes up with his own theories because he has been around this work a long time and his mind seems to turning all the time. He is on the scene as most spectators right now.

The R Grunde info on Dennis M..I think he has the last name wrong but I don't think Nejame would have stooped to have him out there at BP causing the scene he did and drinking beer. If he was sent there to observe that is another thing.

The female that keeps showing up I think it is right...she works for defense or knows the A's. And I am sure there are plenty of them out at the scene this week listening and watching everything going on. I bet LP recognizes her since she is around alot.

As to the A's and charges...I think if they did anything to coverup details on this case such as information that could have ended it sooner then yes....file charges. To late for immunity. Body found. I realize they are grieving grandparents but you know what? They have had a headstart on their grieving. The rest of the world has felt it but just held back until now and fallen in love with this little angel. I hope the DNA results are announced today so we can start the process really knowing it is her.
If this was an accident which I don't believe it was...too much premeditation evidence...there is no good reason to hide the body in a trunk then trash bag and then dump like it is nothing more than garbage. It is just disrespectful. My daughter has had more respect for her fish which we buried in our yard and had a ceremony for along with hamsters, bird, cats and dogs.

Ok...now for another cup of coffee.

Oh....the duct tape. The post was a strange thing for a young person to be so interested in their duct tape.
For one thing it is cheap to buy.  I was raised to always have 2 things at my house and everything would be alright. One is duct tape and the other is WD40.

[txlisa]

I don't think LP has been speaking from any leaks. I think he comes up with his own theories because he has been around this work a long time and his mind seems to turning all the time. He is on the scene as most spectators right now.

The R Grunde info on Dennis M..I think he has the last name wrong but I don't think Nejame would have stooped to have him out there at BP causing the scene he did and drinking beer. If he was sent there to observe that is another thing.

The female that keeps showing up I think it is right...she works for defense or knows the A's. And I am sure there are plenty of them out at the scene this week listening and watching everything going on. I bet LP recognizes her since she is around alot.

As to the A's and charges...I think if they did anything to coverup details on this case such as information that could have ended it sooner then yes....file charges. To late for immunity. Body found. I realize they are grieving grandparents but you know what? They have had a headstart on their grieving. The rest of the world has felt it but just held back until now and fallen in love with this little angel. I hope the DNA results are announced today so we can start the process really knowing it is her.
If this was an accident which I don't believe it was...too much premeditation evidence...there is no good reason to hide the body in a trunk then trash bag and then dump like it is nothing more than garbage. It is just disrespectful. My daughter has had more respect for her fish which we buried in our yard and had a ceremony for along with hamsters, bird, cats and dogs.

Ok...now for another cup of coffee.

Oh....the duct tape. The post was a strange thing for a young person to be so interested in their duct tape.
For one thing it is cheap to buy.  I was raised to always have 2 things at my house and everything would be alright. One is duct tape and the other is WD40.

On W/S they are talking about news footage of her going in the Anthony home.

Lisa

[cherjers]

No matter how bad things were, I just cannot see not talking to my daughter-in-law or checking on my grandbaby.  They do not live with me but I babysit her 5 days a week and miss her on weekends.  It's like they become a part of you, like your own children were.  Even if I were mad at her and using tough love, it would kill me to not check on the baby........ especially if the mom was young and irresponsible.

U hit the nail  on the head sharon. my mother said the same thing about my nephew, who is the caylee of this family. the only grandchild. My mom says she would have nevr given up on KC, she would have found out way before a month. CinCin knew something was going on her " my caylee is missing " is way too intense for someone who hasnt seen her grandaughter in 3 weeks. She knew KC was irresponsible... So i think she must have known. But its JMO

   The car that KC was driving  was in Cindy name-I would have called police and reported it stolen-  If  I didnt see my grand daughter and was concerned for her safty I would to just about anything to find her.  I certainly would have returned phone calls.

[momma monkey]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, however it has some great info in it!

Caylee Anthony case: WESH reports that FBI is testing tooth, hair found at crime scene; WFTV passes along Facebook tip
posted by halboedeker on Dec 17, 2008 6:26:01 PM
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The FBI lab at Quantico is testing a tooth and hair found at the crime scene near the Anthony home, WESH-Channel 2 reported Wednesday.

Those were the most intriguing details in the latest television coverage on missing Caylee Anthony. Her mother, Casey Anthony, has been charged with first-degree murder.

"The crime scene continues to give up more clues," WESH's Bob Kealing said. Kealing later reported that sources said clothing was inside the garbage bag that contained human remains found at the scene.

WESH and WKMG-Channel 6 highlighted that prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case had visited the crime scene Wednesday.

"Not only do these prosecutors want to know who the child is and how she died, they also want to determine exactly how long the body has been out in these woods," WKMG's Mike DeForest said. "Anticipating that Casey's attorneys could argue someone else disposed of the toddler after Casey was put in jail, a team of scientists ... [is] trying to pinpoint the day the child was dumped here."

WFTV-Channel 9 was reporting on a possible clue that a viewer brought to its attention. "A computer networking site might hold clues in the case against Casey," anchor Bob Opsahl said. "It might help determine where the duct tape came from that was found on the child's remains found near the Anthony home."

WFTV reporter Kathi Belich said an Ontario woman found information on Casey Anthony's Facebook page from late May. Amy Huizenga, a Casey friend, complained that Casey had lost her duct tape. Belich said the station had passed the information along to authorities.
Capt. Angelo Nieves of the Orange County Sheriff's Office said: "Obviously, this is something that they would look at."

Belich reported that investigators had found duct tape on the child's skull.

WKMG anchor Jacqueline London said the station would have "the shocking statement from attorney John Morgan" about Caylee's grandparents.

Yet WESH delivered it sooner.

Morgan is representing Zenaida Gonzalez, who is suing Casey Anthony for defaming her by citing her as Caylee's baby sitter. Morgan speculated that Casey Anthony's legal team will return to claims that the baby sitter took the toddler.

"They've decided to kick Zenaida Gonzalez one more time, but they're going to find out that they have kicked the wrong dog," Morgan told WESH.

Morgan is set to depose George and Cindy Anthony, Caylee's grandparents, on Monday morning.

WESH talked to a woman who said she had photographic evidence there were no human remains when she looked in the woods to help Texas EquuSearch. Strangely enough, the same woman could be seen in another WESH report delivering food to the Anthony home. WESH's Kealing said Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney, wanted to talk to the woman after seeing the station's coverage. 
WESH also talked to Casey's pastor, Shane Stutzman. He told WESH that Casey needs all the help she can get and encouraged people to pray for her.




 

[Today]

Good Morning Monkeys

As I did my news media searches today I noticed that the Cindy and friend photo is gone, not archived (at least I couldn't find it).  Makes you wonder where this photo actually came from and how much of it was Photoshop.

On another note this statement -- Also new in the case, the attorney representing George and Cindy Anthony says his clients will not sit down with attorney John Morgan for a deposition in the Zenaida Gonzalez lawsuit that should happen on Monday.
makes me wonder if this is what the immunity deal could be about.  John Morgan could ask all kinds of questions.