Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[cookie]

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

Do you mean insanity as in "Not guilty by reason of insanity?"  If so, I totally disagree.  Her actions before and after the incident are totally consistent with a person who was in charge of her faculties.  She knew what she was doing.  If the problem was she went off her meds, then she had a sponaneous and miraculous recovery because she tried to hide the evidence immediately after Sandra died and presumably before she went back on them.

I think that NoRose was saying that she thinks that the defense will lean towards insanity? not that SHe, Norose was leaning towards insanity..jmo....that is how I read it anyway..

And I agree with you, MH knew what she was doing..and she did try to cover it up...

[pink angel]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

[cookie]

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

That's all well and good.  So she freaked out.  She has a defense.  SCREW THAT!  Sandra didn't get a defense.  It's just BS.  If she has confessed to it, let her pay the  price.  Meds or no meds.  It's just not fair!  And to see that attorney rubbing her back?  That just made me want to hurl.  Who the hell was comforting little Sandra when she was being RAPED with a foreign freakin object????? Okay.  I am stopping now.  I am so pissed!

Spring2 I am right there with you!  I am so angry right now and if she get's off on insanity I think I will totally lose it.  I am convinced she is a predator there is no doubt in my mind.  I can understand the death, hiding it, lying, but the rape goes beyond the pale for me and I want this woman to pay just like a man who commits the same crime would.

Yep....she is no different than a man who committed the same crime...agree with both of you...

[N2WISHN]

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

That's all well and good.  So she freaked out.  She has a defense.  SCREW THAT!  Sandra didn't get a defense.  It's just BS.  If she has confessed to it, let her pay the  price.  Meds or no meds.  It's just not fair!  And to see that attorney rubbing her back?  That just made me want to hurl.  Who the hell was comforting little Sandra when she was being RAPED with a foreign freakin object????? Okay.  I am stopping now.  I am so pissed!

Spring2 I am right there with you!  I am so angry right now and if she get's off on insanity I think I will totally lose it.  I am convinced she is a predator there is no doubt in my mind.  I can understand the death, hiding it, lying, but the rape goes beyond the pale for me and I want this woman to pay just like a man who commits the same crime would.

I’ve been thinking a lot about Melissa being a female sexual predator, and though it’s rare, women have been known to commit sexual acts on children. Certainly women have been involved in kiddy porn and the like and, understandably, it seems unbelievable that a woman would be responsible or complicit in such an appalling act. However, if Melissa were a man, there would be no reservations or sympathy forthcoming. This heinous act is not deserving of empathy for the perpetrator or accomplice (if that is the case) in anyway, shape or form.  Is she mentally ill? Well, she certainly isn’t normal in my book. However, that is no excuse for deviant behavior associated with Sandra’s death. She tried to cover her tracks, that’s sane enough!

Take the case of John Couey:   Defense experts testified that Couey is mentally impaired, suffers from longstanding mental illness and was a chronic drug and alcohol abuser. He was also abused by the boyfriend of his mother, who was 16 at the time he was born. Defense lawyers used these "mitigating" factors in an effort to save Couey from the death penalty and instead, life in prison without the possibility of parole. The court found that Couey is not mentally +++++++ but has a personality disorder and suffers from paranoia. He still got the death penalty and justifiably so.
Should Melissa Huckaby receive a different form of justice than that demented monster because she is a woman? I think not.  Melissa’s tears that were shed at the arraignment should have overflowed a large bucket and then some for the grotesque act committed on a young innocent victim. Be it male or female, I want justice for Sandra against anyone that played a part in her abuse and death.

[pink angel]

According to this report, Melissa claimed Child Abuction, Domestic Violence, and Alcohol Abuse in the divorce papers which resulted in Mr. Huckaby having limited visitation with supervision only.

It's near the end of this video.
http://www.kcra.com/video/19184506/index.html

[Wyks]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

If I were LE in this case, the line of children from the MHP would be forming to the right, in the offices of those trained in questioning children.  This would be in the best interest of those children, and pfffffffft on the cost of doing that.  Wouldn't put this on parents or leave it up to them to 'gently question' their own children.  We've seen in other cases how easy that kind of questioning can get out of hand, depending on how the parent/caretaker asks those questions. 

[JessStar]

Hopefully I don't ruffle any feathers by saying this, but remember, Patsy Ramsey was a prime suspect in the killing of JonBenet.  In fact, many still think she raped and killed her own daughter.

[JessStar]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

If I were LE in this case, the line of children from the MHP would be forming to the right, in the offices of those trained in questioning children.  This would be in the best interest of those children, and pfffffffft on the cost of doing that.  Wouldn't put this on parents or leave it up to them to 'gently question' their own children.  We've seen in other cases how easy that kind of questioning can get out of hand, depending on how the parent/caretaker asks those questions. 

I agree.  It gives MH the defense of suggestion for those other children.

[lady]

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

That's all well and good.  So she freaked out.  She has a defense.  SCREW THAT!  Sandra didn't get a defense.  It's just BS.  If she has confessed to it, let her pay the  price.  Meds or no meds.  It's just not fair!  And to see that attorney rubbing her back?  That just made me want to hurl.  Who the hell was comforting little Sandra when she was being RAPED with a foreign freakin object????? Okay.  I am stopping now.  I am so pissed!

Spring2 I am right there with you!  I am so angry right now and if she get's off on insanity I think I will totally lose it.  I am convinced she is a predator there is no doubt in my mind.  I can understand the death, hiding it, lying, but the rape goes beyond the pale for me and I want this woman to pay just like a man who commits the same crime would.

Sane or insane...problems or no problems...she committed murder..rape...she should have to face her charges no matter what...Somethings need to change with this system, its just not working to protect our children anymore...It should be a zero tolerence..

[spring2]

Lady, I like your zero tolerance plan. 

[JessStar]

I need to make one more observation, and then TRY TO GET SOME WORK DONE!   

I don't think MH is covering for someone else.  These detectives and the FBI are trained to weed that sort of thing out, and it's pretty easy to detect.  MH knew specifics about this crime that only the perp could or would know.  So as far as the crime against Sandra is concerned, she's it folks, JMHO.

[no rose colored glasses]

Well no one swallows 3 knife blades by accident So she wanted to kill herself for what happened to Sandra. Does that indicate a woman who's intent was to kill Sandra, I don't think so. It is sounding more and more like she was duped into getting the little girl and was disgusted with herself for what eventually happened to her.

I'm trying to figure how the he!! you swallow three blades, and I really want to know more about the psychotropic meds she was on, and on them for what purpose, her diagnosis would be interesting.

It would be interesting to know.  Is Gma the only one who has said Melissa is on these types of meds? 

Psychotropic meds are used for the following:

Schizophrenia
Bipolar disorder
Depression
Anxiety disorders
Anti-panic Agents
Anti-obsessive Agents
Stimulants (used in the treatment of ADD/ADHD)

A list of the commonly prescribed meds for each of the above are at this link:

http://www.toddlertime.com/med/common-meds.htm

Thanks Wyks, I'm truly not making any excuses for this woman, I am not a bleeding heart. I'm just saying, if Melissa is very mentally ill, for reasons of my own, I also feel sorry for her family, because I know severe mental issues, tear a family apart. While I was walking I went another route with Fred Williams. What if grandma and grandpa and Fred, have all been hiding the fact of Melissa's mental issues. What if Fred was in his mind, thinking he was helping Melissa, by talking about the suitcase, which was an obvious lie. And also by delivering the note to the memorial. Wrong, yes it is, but maybe trying to help, in a very strange and peculiar way. 

[Wyks]

According to this report, Melissa claimed Child Abuction, Domestic Violence, and Alcohol Abuse in the divorce papers which resulted in Mr. Huckaby having limited visitation with supervision only.

It's near the end of this video.
http://www.kcra.com/video/19184506/index.html

Thanks pink. 

In the written report of this, it was that there was enough evidence in these "allegations" for the judge to go ahead and order "supervised visitation", which turned out to be something like one half hour per month. 

I'm curious (ok nosy) enough to want to know what else they may have done with the evidence they found in that situation.  Did they press charges on him?  Did he serve time?  Or was the "supervised visitation" his only punishment? 

It's interesting that Melissa alleged Child Abduction, Domestic Violence, and Alcohol Abuse against her ex, yet finds herself charged with similiar and worse charges toward another child. 

Most abusers reflect their behavior/attitude/blame onto others.   

Just gotta wonder.. Did her ex really do what she alleged against him in the past, or did she just accuse him of that well enough to convince the judge?  Anyone know how we can find out if any further info on that situation would be public in the state of California?

[no rose colored glasses]

Yes, I believe this will be going the route of a psych break or blame it on her meds. If this really is insanity, and as of now I'm leaning that way, but will wait to hear more that's for sure.

Do you mean insanity as in "Not guilty by reason of insanity?"  If so, I totally disagree.  Her actions before and after the incident are totally consistent with a person who was in charge of her faculties.  She knew what she was doing.  If the problem was she went off her meds, then she had a sponaneous and miraculous recovery because she tried to hide the evidence immediately after Sandra died and presumably before she went back on them.

I think that NoRose was saying that she thinks that the defense will lean towards insanity? not that SHe, Norose was leaning towards insanity..jmo....that is how I read it anyway..

And I agree with you, MH knew what she was doing..and she did try to cover it up...

Thanks, I believe the defense is going that route. All I'm trying to say is their are truly insane people in this world. I am no doctor, no nurse, I would have no idea what Melissa is or isn't, imo.

[Serenity7]

I don't know if you guys believe in Psychic prodictions, but I have a few quotes from a site that are really interesting! This is probably going to be a bit long, so I apologize in advance!

1. Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476372
3/30/2009 6:45 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly.... are you able to help locate missing children? A little girl disappeared here on Friday and still hasn't been found.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349

 I think she wandered off. Hopefully not kidnapped. If she was, you can disregard all this. And I wouldn't pull people away to go look if there are better signs. She's about 3 or 4? Seems like it.

Anyway, she seems to be in a small outhouse or shed type building. Seems like she's walked all that way. Taken her a long time to get there. It's about 5 and half miles North West of where she started walking. The building has been searched already, and she has happened on to it after the search people went through...it seems. She's pretty skinned up and thirsty. She's in a bad way. The building is a shed or outbuilding. It's near an old factory or school that has been shut down and is falling apart. Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building.

The area around the big building isn't grown up...seems like maybe it gets mowed regular or that it is naturally not conducive to growth. The building she is in may have some grass or small bushes or trees growing around it.

Hope this isn't wrong and helps out.
 
2.  Anonymous Coward
User ID: 607349
3/31/2009 12:36 AM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly.... are you able to help locate missing children? A little girl disappeared here on Friday and still hasn't been found.


Can you tell me the town and her first name?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474543


Tracy, California... she's 8 yrs old, name is Sandra Cantu. God Bless you for trying to help.

3.  Anonymous Coward
User ID: 500558
3/31/2009 7:33 AM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Her name is Sandra and the town is Tracy. Not sure if this may be the name you refer to. Also, she is missing from her home in a mobile home park (trailer?). It's not a trailer park though, nice mobiles.

Can you tell if she's anywhere near a river, if she crossed over one or if the building is near one? The area north-west is all farmland, country roads, sparse farm houses, mostly open fields (some mowed/some not/some tilled under. There are lengthy irrigation canals and many ditches, I'm asking about the river since it's about 5 1/2 miles out. Could the big building be a barn? (I hope not, there are many) Easier to find a processing station and I do remember an old school out there somewhere.

Can you tell if she's more north than west or vise versa? Can you sense any colors, sounds or notable landmarks? Well-used roads or little traveled? I know you're on the mark here, I'm just trying to narrow it down if I can. I mean you Wink I'm racking my brain til morning, then I'll drive out there before work. I work about 2.5 miles out that way and search crews have been combing the area all day long since Saturday. Maybe they just need to go farther out.

Thanks for tolerating all the questions. I'm hoping a that the area info may make things a little clearer for you.

God Bless you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349


Hmmm...I'm seriously wondering if I'm getting good information. 8 years old sounds like she would be old enough to know how to find her way back if she wasn't forced away by someone. Maybe not though and if you're willing to go...

I had thought she might live in a mobile home park so that matches.

It's a building (if this is her) that is near another building that is disused. Like an old school. The big building...It's a building with large windows..which doesn't sound like a barn. Not single pane windows but multiple windows in that ## pattern but big. Most of them are broken out I think. The shed or outbuild she is in is either behind or to the right side of the building she is in (then again I don't know which direction from which I'm "seeing" it.) Oh, one important detail. Seems like the disused building she is located near is made of brick or stone, not like a wooden barn. The shed building she is in is either made of corrugated metal (old tin panels) or is old wood.

I did get an idea that she had possibly passed some water.I'm sorry, but I don't know if that meant she crossed over some water or if she walked near a river or creek. I also got the impression that the building she is in is near some woods or overgrown area. I still think its something like a school or old factory or maybe a building materials supply building...something that was used but now isn't. Or at least not used as its original purpose.

Remember I asked about Traynor or Taylor as the name of the road or building? You said this was in Tracey, California...which is a "T" name. And Traynor is fairly close...in that sense. So this might be her
 
4.Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514327
4/3/2009 12:09 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Thanks for the update...and the link! I hope it is warm there! I sure wish you could get some more people in the area to read Firefly's reading and help you look. Without food how long can she last? I know there is water around so that shouldn't be an issue, but food is a different story. OMG I can't imagine how afraid she must be!
 Quoting: Cosmic Cuckoo


A child, or any person actually, can survive upwards of a month without food. For a healthy child I'd say 2 weeks without food would be possible. Water would be an issue, and also if she was injured. I half-way think she has had an injury and has managed to barely make it to an old building, but walking or even getting up may not be in the cards if she has injured her foot or her leg. I think that the friend who said Sandra was running away might have been correct.

Trying to get a bit more of an impression, I'd say she was actually slightly west of north west. Like half, or two thirds of the way, between straight west and northwest. I also wonder if she wasn't trying to walk to a friends home out in that direction and during the course of walking out there, got hurt. If so, then finding water could be a problem. And a person can only survive for about 3 days without water.

I think she is still alive right now, but she's not in a good way.
 
5. Anonymous Coward
User ID: 504258
4/6/2009 11:51 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly, when you can devote the energy to it, would you please see if you can get an impression of whether or not Sandra is still alive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349


Seems to be "yes". Let's hope that's correct.

I had the idea earlier today that she might be near a church to the North west of town. A church is often a brick building that has an "empty feel" because it is unoccupied for 6/7ths of its life. Or largely unoccupied.

So I looked on a map and see that South Winds church is to the northwest about 3 miles. When I went to look at their website, I noticed on their schedule that March 27th was a movie night. I remember reading some reporter that said Sandra had asked her family to go to the movies but they didn't have the money. So now I'm wondering if she hadn't heard about this movie night at school or something and decided to go on her own to see it. I think she could have easily walked the three miles to the place between 5 (when I think they said she left) and 7 o'clock (when the movie started).

It's a theory anyway. As to where she is or what happened to her once she left her driveway, we can't know for sure until she is found and tells someone. After this long a time though, it is starting to look like a very bad situation. By now you'd like she'd have turned up or come back if she had left on her own.
The kid would stay in the same place if she'd injured herself and was unable to walk. Torn muscle. Broken foot or leg. (Probably the left one if anyone is keeping score). So if she can't stand or walk it would mean she was staying in one spot.Could also mean that I'm wrong and someone placed her in one spot too and locked her in or chained her up.

Hard to know until she's found.


So these were written on and before April 6th!  I just found this amazing, jmo
Again, sorry so long!

I'm Firefly.  That reading didn't start out overly well in terms of accuracy. I was still hoping that the girl was alive for the first couple of days I was trying to find her. Some elements of the case were coming through fairly well and some obviously were not. She was, I believe, located to the west-northwest of her home when she was killed. In the direction of the church. The church is a brick building and it does have a shed located near it, which I had said early on. In fact, the very first image of the church I saw on the news after her arrest was a view of that shed located near the building. It was not however an overgrown or abandoned building. In my defense though, a church is something of a 'static' building for a psychic. It is largely unoccupied for typically 6 days out of 7 and then occupied for a very brief period when it is in use. It doesn't have the same "feel" as a lived-in "active" type of structure.

But for a goodly period I was going under the impression that she had walked away from home and been injured. Wishful thinking I suppose. It was only after I began to accept the idea that she had been away from home too long to have been simply injured that other impressions began to come to me. One of those I had posted a couple of days before the police raided the church. In that post I stated that I thought a church might have been involved. Then I played amateur detective and looked up churches to the Northwest (still the direction I felt she was in) and noticed that one of the churches in question had hosted a "movie night" that Friday. I remembered that a news report had stated she had asked the family about going to the movies. So my theory was, deductively, that she had gone to this church to see a movie. I sent this theory to a local reporter via email. Then later that day I saw that her body had been found in a drainage pond several hours after I had said that I thought she might be at this church (and still alive). So the church theory seemed to be far-fetched at that point on the day they found her body. So for several hours I got to enjoy feeling like a first class idiot and worrying about possibly having been a distraction for investigators instead of helping. Then they raided the church, I think the next day, to look for evidence. Really didn't seem to find anything that day...and everything was reported as being routine follow up...but it was a CHURCH...so I began to think I might need to try to get more impressions.

Once there was no doubt about whether she was still alive, there was a whole host of impressions that started coming in then. One of those impressions, that I posted late Thursday night/early hours of Friday morning, was that the person responsible would be caught before the autopsy came back and that they didn't exactly murder her as part of a sexual assault, but as more of a jealousy or envy type of thing. And I stated in that posting, I thought this was like someone had looked at Sandra, compared Sandra to their own child, and been jealous FOR their own child and took this out on Sandra. I posted that in the early hours of Friday morning. 20 hours later, the police were interviewing Ms. Huckaby and then arrested her based on her statements. So Saturday morning was when I got to see the church on TV, the shed, and that the suspect was a woman WITH A CHILD. It is my belief, granting that everyone in our country is innocent until proven guilty, that there are STRONG reasons for holding Ms. Huckaby for questioning.

Some additional comments I'd like to make. I think that at least one other person may have been involved in this crime...in spite of what the police are saying. Having been wrong before with several other elements, I'm reluctant to mention this. But the issue of who and how the body was moved and left in the drainage ditch seems to be an open question at the moment and I question if another person wasn't involved. Probably a male in my opinion. Probably someone known to the suspect. I keep getting an image of a grey or dust covered house with a porch along a dirt road that might be involved in this whole deal.

I know, from seeing news reports on TV, that the police are trying to find people who can testify to previous examples of sexual molestation by the suspect. And they may find them...but that doesn't match my impression of the primary motivation, which as I stated I thought was more like jealousy or envy. Kind of like that woman who hired a hitman to kill a cheerleader cause she wanted her own child to do well as a cheerleader. Most likely, I will probably find out later that I am simply flat wrong and that she may have a history of abusing kids. But I'm going to take the risk and post what I feel...even though I'll probably get egg on my face for it later when 200 people step up to report issues from before.

By that same token, I'll also state that I think the autopsy results that come back are going to have the cause of death as either smothering, or poisoning/drug overdose or a combination of both. The reason I say this is because the image of a shed (or an outbuilding, as I kept calling it) has been with me since the very beginning. I think something happened either in, or because of some substance in, that shed. Substances like...insecticide, rat poison...etc. You get the idea.

And finally, I offer my condolences to the family of Sandra. In my belief system, there is a place beyond this one and I believe she is there...but this does not take away from the fact that Sandra was a good and decent person who should not have been subjected to this type of ending.

[klaasend]

Welcome Serenity7!

[Wyks]

Well no one swallows 3 knife blades by accident So she wanted to kill herself for what happened to Sandra. Does that indicate a woman who's intent was to kill Sandra, I don't think so. It is sounding more and more like she was duped into getting the little girl and was disgusted with herself for what eventually happened to her.

I'm trying to figure how the he!! you swallow three blades, and I really want to know more about the psychotropic meds she was on, and on them for what purpose, her diagnosis would be interesting.

It would be interesting to know.  Is Gma the only one who has said Melissa is on these types of meds? 

Psychotropic meds are used for the following:

Schizophrenia
Bipolar disorder
Depression
Anxiety disorders
Anti-panic Agents
Anti-obsessive Agents
Stimulants (used in the treatment of ADD/ADHD)

A list of the commonly prescribed meds for each of the above are at this link:

http://www.toddlertime.com/med/common-meds.htm

Thanks Wyks, I'm truly not making any excuses for this woman, I am not a bleeding heart. I'm just saying, if Melissa is very mentally ill, for reasons of my own, I also feel sorry for her family, because I know severe mental issues, tear a family apart. While I was walking I went another route with Fred Williams. What if grandma and grandpa and Fred, have all been hiding the fact of Melissa's mental issues. What if Fred was in his mind, thinking he was helping Melissa, by talking about the suitcase, which was an obvious lie. And also by delivering the note to the memorial. Wrong, yes it is, but maybe trying to help, in a very strange and peculiar way. 

I understand NoRose, and agree that severe mental health issues can tear a family apart.  And *if* this is true for Melissa, she still gets no free passes from me.  If she actually is on psychotropic meds, then she is also being monitored by a doc.  That doc would know whether her condition is serious enough to place her child, any other child, or anyone else at risk, within her presence.  Not being able to properly care for herself and/or her child *could be* one reason Melissa was living with her grandparents.   And in that case, some responsibility lies with her doc and her family caretakers, to ensure that she does indeed take her meds etc.  If even one thing starts looking 'weird' with her, it's often their responsibility to report that to the doc etc.  Is that fair to the family?  Nope.  Puts a lot of pressure onto them.  And yet... California and other states have drastically cut the mental health budget til it basically does not exist, and fallout is occuring everywhere.  Sigh. 

Not saying this IS what happened with Melissa and family, just saying it's another possibility.

[Wyks]

Hi Serenity, welcome! 

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Wyks, and yes I too believe she has to pay for the crime that she has commited, all of this is horrific.  WELCOME SERENITY7 and that was a great first post.   

[KYcat]

Good Morning Monkeys and Welcome Serenity!

I am sneaking a peek at work but had a couple of questions/observations if anyone can help me with them?

When MH swallowed the knife blades, did she drive herself to the hospital..

Did Grandma drive her..   Did she call 911..

Did they hold her for the requisite 72 hours (I think that's how long) for evaluation after a suicide attempt....

Do you think this incident MIGHT have tipped off Grandma and Grandpa Lawless that something is terribly wrong with MH....

And, MH's father stated in an interview with the press that he had not spoken to his daughter in 4 or 5 months....... so that would mean that he did not know about her recent arrest for theft....  AND if he had not spoken with her in that long of a time how was her daughter's vacation "pre-planned" with the grandparents? 

None of this probably means anything, but am just curious about some of these details>


Back to work.... I'll sneak back later......