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memphis
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Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006
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Reply #860 on:
November 28, 2006, 07:08:26 PM »
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I think the photo was possibly to
commemorate
his involvement (for lack of a better word) with Natalee. These guys, these
PIMPS
are used to posting pics and displaying EVERYTHING, from DK and Joran riding in a car
with 2 porn video's playing while someone(it appears ) took the pic from the backseat, to pics of Sanders and Joran dancing with a semiconscous girl between them, to photos showing "axeman" the guy crouched in the field wearing gloves and holding an axe(remember that one?). These guys are used to "commemorating" every event......and if that event didn't exist , Joran created it. I am sure if there were a pic of Natalee in undress, and in some pic that could have been manipulated into a more "X" rated version of the 2 , then we might have seen a pic pf that instead. JMO
Very good correlation! You're right, they do document and display everything.
IIRC, I think that picture of the guy with the axe was an album cover of some musician.
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November 28, 2006, 07:08:30 PM »
Quote from: "shadow"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I think the photo was possibly to
commemorate
his involvement (for lack of a better word) with Natalee. These guys, these
PIMPS
are used to posting pics and displaying EVERYTHING, from DK and Joran riding in a car
with 2 porn video's playing while someone(it appears ) took the pic from the backseat, to pics of Sanders and Joran dancing with a semiconscous girl between them, to photos showing "axeman" the guy crouched in the field wearing gloves and holding an axe(remember that one?). These guys are used to "commemorating" every event......and if that event didn't exist , Joran created it. I am sure if there were a pic of Natalee in undress, and in some pic that could have been manipulated into a more "X" rated version of the 2 , then we might have seen a pic pf that instead. JMO
I agree . . . IMO there was a video or some other kind of souvenir. It had to be destroyed, removed and all knowledge of it denied . . . he lost his real souvenir and had to procure another one. He is so sick!
BTW I love your avatar hair-do . . . gotta love the look.
I totally agree that a video was made....the part i don't agree is that I think it still exists somewhere.
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November 28, 2006, 07:09:23 PM »
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran is the cocaine source? Pffft...
And deVries believed that?
Two posters have now stated, one of whom was Gunslinger last night, that
one can not OD on cocaine by snorting it.
Does not combine with alcohol either. So presence or absence of cocaine not likely to have contributed to her death but we knew that her death was not from her own doing anyway.
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Anna, this looks good on paper, but I rather think it is just wishful thinking. I do believe that you can OD on cocaine by snorting it...
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November 28, 2006, 07:09:35 PM »
Quote from: "shadow"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "memphis"
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Joe: What I make of it Martha is another individual trying to cash in on this tragedy this guy is a materialist, he’s a capitalist; he is someone is making money off of a false story. I spoke to Antonio Carlo the former lawyer for Joran; he made no such statement to the prosecutor and let me tell you this I’ve looked through every single document in this case. Every police report every prosecutors note there is no such document in this case. Every police report every prosecutors note there is no such document that supports any such claim and when you couple that with
the fact that this individual didn’t even have the wherewithal to document these very important conversations Martha at the time they were going on and didn’t report that to law enforcement I mean it shows you his true motive.
He’s trying to make his splash he is trying to get himself all over the news which is what people have done repeatedly in this case.
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What does this mean? If he is talking about De Vries, De Vries wasn't there at the time it was going on. Me thinks Joe didn't pay attention during his brief.
Excuse me Im a bit fired up BUT... If the family and the FBI hasnt seen these FILES how in the holy hell has Joe Piece of shit seen everything???????????
There was some mention on FOB discussion I re-read today from after the DeVries program and one of the things someone, and I can't quote because I don't remember and it was my first time to read there, but it was stated that important documents (my interpretation was related to the case) were stolen during the break-in at Joran's apt. Anyone else know anything about this . . . and WTF! Why would he have access to any of those documents, let alone copies of them. Got to be BS . . .
Somewhere, maybe in his interview to his big fan Greta Joran said he spent hours daily going over the files of the investigation. Yes, he has them. That is how he and Paulus have come up with what I have always called his designer lies, ones made to fit something or other they find in the files.
They have all of them. Paulus could get them from his boss for one thing. We even had Julia/Bon Dia claiming to have seen the ENTIRE dossier posting here.
Everyone has them except the family of the victim who must be kept out at all costs.
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Don't know if you can OD on cocaine by snorting it or not, but I do know a guy here killed his wife by forcing a fairly large amount of cocaine down her throat. She had a heart attack on the bathroom floor and died. Nasty, huh?
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Bleachedblack-I too think there is a good chance a video was made. And if it was made, I don't think it would be destroyed. Even though it would be risky to keep it, I think the lure of having something like that would be too great to destroy it.
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memphis
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Reply #866 on:
November 28, 2006, 07:12:10 PM »
Quote from: "shadow"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I think the photo was possibly to
commemorate
his involvement (for lack of a better word) with Natalee. These guys, these
PIMPS
are used to posting pics and displaying EVERYTHING, from DK and Joran riding in a car
with 2 porn video's playing while someone(it appears ) took the pic from the backseat, to pics of Sanders and Joran dancing with a semiconscous girl between them, to photos showing "axeman" the guy crouched in the field wearing gloves and holding an axe(remember that one?). These guys are used to "commemorating" every event......and if that event didn't exist , Joran created it. I am sure if there were a pic of Natalee in undress, and in some pic that could have been manipulated into a more "X" rated version of the 2 , then we might have seen a pic pf that instead. JMO
I agree . . . IMO there was a video or some other kind of souvenir. It had to be destroyed, removed and all knowledge of it denied . . . he lost his real souvenir and had to procure another one. He is so sick!
BTW I love your avatar hair-do . . . gotta love the look.
I think this is significant. They do what they've always done.
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bleachedblack
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Reply #867 on:
November 28, 2006, 07:12:25 PM »
Quote from: "memphis"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I think the photo was possibly to
commemorate
his involvement (for lack of a better word) with Natalee. These guys, these
PIMPS
are used to posting pics and displaying EVERYTHING, from DK and Joran riding in a car
with 2 porn video's playing while someone(it appears ) took the pic from the backseat, to pics of Sanders and Joran dancing with a semiconscous girl between them, to photos showing "axeman" the guy crouched in the field wearing gloves and holding an axe(remember that one?). These guys are used to "commemorating" every event......and if that event didn't exist , Joran created it. I am sure if there were a pic of Natalee in undress, and in some pic that could have been manipulated into a more "X" rated version of the 2 , then we might have seen a pic pf that instead. JMO
Very good correlation! You're right, they do document and display everything.
IIRC, I think that picture of the guy with the axe was an album cover of some musician.
When I recall any of the pics turning out to be band members i seem to recall it in reference to pics of LVR? I can't recall at the moment....but the band guy had long dreads .........it will come back to me ......but you'll probably all be sleeping.
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Anna
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Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006
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Reply #868 on:
November 28, 2006, 07:12:42 PM »
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran is the cocaine source? Pffft...
And deVries believed that?
Two posters have now stated, one of whom was Gunslinger last night, that
one can not OD on cocaine by snorting it.
Does not combine with alcohol either. So presence or absence of cocaine not likely to have contributed to her death but we knew that her death was not from her own doing anyway.
.
Anna, this looks good on paper, but I rather think it is just wishful thinking. I do believe that you can OD on cocaine by snorting it...
I don't know Mishy. One said you have to ingest it or smoke it, etc. That it would take an hour of solid snorting to take in enough to OD.
I don't really know one way or the other but they both said it so perhaps it is not an easy thing to do?
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November 28, 2006, 07:13:20 PM »
Klaas and San
See the guy with the white t-shirt standing way in the background?
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November 28, 2006, 07:14:54 PM »
This source says you can overdose from snorting cocaine:
http://www.camh.net/About_Addiction_Mental_Health/Drug_and_Addiction_Information/about_cocaine.html
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November 28, 2006, 07:15:50 PM »
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Klaas and San
See the guy with the white t-shirt standing way in the background?
Yes that's who we were referring to.
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November 28, 2006, 07:16:17 PM »
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
[I totally agree that a video was made....the part i don't agree is that I think it still exists somewhere.
I tend to think it still exists too BB despite probable instructions to destroy all copies. One of them would secretly hold on to their copy. Just the sort of thing that bunch would do. Deepak would be my first guess as to who might have retained a copy since he had tremendous access to hard drives and copying equipment, etc.
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shadow
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Reply #873 on:
November 28, 2006, 07:16:43 PM »
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "shadow"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I think the photo was possibly to
commemorate
his involvement (for lack of a better word) with Natalee. These guys, these
PIMPS
are used to posting pics and displaying EVERYTHING, from DK and Joran riding in a car
with 2 porn video's playing while someone(it appears ) took the pic from the backseat, to pics of Sanders and Joran dancing with a semiconscous girl between them, to photos showing "axeman" the guy crouched in the field wearing gloves and holding an axe(remember that one?). These guys are used to "commemorating" every event......and if that event didn't exist , Joran created it. I am sure if there were a pic of Natalee in undress, and in some pic that could have been manipulated into a more "X" rated version of the 2 , then we might have seen a pic pf that instead. JMO
I agree . . . IMO there was a video or some other kind of souvenir. It had to be destroyed, removed and all knowledge of it denied . . . he lost his real souvenir and had to procure another one. He is so sick!
BTW I love your avatar hair-do . . . gotta love the look.
I totally agree that a video was made....the part i don't agree is that I think it still exists somewhere.
I actually believe/think it is possible that it still exists somewhere, but Joran no longer had access to it.
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Bleachedblack-I too think there is a good chance a video was made. And if it was made, I don't think it would be destroyed. Even though it would be risky to keep it, I think the lure of having something like that would be too great to destroy it.
I absolutely agree! When I listen to any of Jorans interviews and he sounds as if he blames Natalee for what happened! I am sure he feels
entitled
to the video. He probably hasn't had it in his possesion for a good long time and he is starting to miss the
rush
it gives him.....hence the Pic....the best he can do under the circumstances......
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Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Bleachedblack-I too think there is a good chance a video was made. And if it was made, I don't think it would be destroyed. Even though it would be risky to keep it, I think the lure of having something like that would be too great to destroy it.
Hi Muffy Bee....So good to see you!! And all the monkeys! I've been outta pocket for awhile...enjoying reading everybody's comments
I, too, wonder about a video...
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News Alert: Joe Tacopina and Julie Renfroe and the only two people not trying to exploit this tragedy. They are not capitalists like everyone else. They know the facts of the case better than anyone, including the prosecutor. Unlike the prosecutor, Joe Tacopina has read each and every document in this case and is not a capitalist profiting from this tragedy. He and he alone knows what the search warrant said. Anyone telling you anything else is a liar. Joran van der Sloot and his family have suffered immeasurably and there's no proof any of them ever in their lives did anything wrong. Beth Twitty, pour soul whose angst we understand, is at the bottom of this and it's based on nothing. NOTHING I tell ya! They've overturned every grain of sand on that island and found NOTHING. Nothing, I tell ya! He's just a scared 17 year old whose life has been ruined by Beth and a bunch of Monkeys.
Now Joe, go meet with your Milan partners to talk about your Sicilian clients. Byeeeeeeeeee Before ya go, Joe, does AHATA have to write another check or are you on retainer?
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Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "shadow"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "memphis"
{SNIP}
Joe: What I make of it Martha is another individual trying to cash in on this tragedy this guy is a materialist, he’s a capitalist; he is someone is making money off of a false story. I spoke to Antonio Carlo the former lawyer for Joran; he made no such statement to the prosecutor and let me tell you this I’ve looked through every single document in this case. Every police report every prosecutors note there is no such document in this case. Every police report every prosecutors note there is no such document that supports any such claim and when you couple that with
the fact that this individual didn’t even have the wherewithal to document these very important conversations Martha at the time they were going on and didn’t report that to law enforcement I mean it shows you his true motive.
He’s trying to make his splash he is trying to get himself all over the news which is what people have done repeatedly in this case.
.....
What does this mean? If he is talking about De Vries, De Vries wasn't there at the time it was going on. Me thinks Joe didn't pay attention during his brief.
Excuse me Im a bit fired up BUT... If the family and the FBI hasnt seen these FILES how in the holy hell has Joe Piece of shit seen everything???????????
There was some mention on FOB discussion I re-read today from after the DeVries program and one of the things someone, and I can't quote because I don't remember and it was my first time to read there, but it was stated that important documents (my interpretation was related to the case) were stolen during the break-in at Joran's apt. Anyone else know anything about this . . . and WTF! Why would he have access to any of those documents, let alone copies of them. Got to be BS . . .
Somewhere, maybe in his interview to his big fan Greta Joran said he spent hours daily going over the files of the investigation. Yes, he has them. That is how he and Paulus have come up with what I have always called his designer lies, ones made to fit something or other they find in the files.
They have all of them. Paulus could get them from his boss for one thing. We even had Julia/Bon Dia claiming to have seen the ENTIRE dossier posting here.
Everyone has them except the family of the victim who must be kept out at all costs.
.
That makes me sick . . .
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Joe: What I make of it Martha is
another individual
trying to cash in on this tragedy this guy is a materialist, he’s a capitalist; he is someone is making money off of a false story.
Can only Joe make money ?
Plus, Devries is employed by the Network, don't they usually have contracts ? So, exactly how would he make more money than what he gets paid ? Joe is the one who gets paid per appearance. Or per lies.
And what was pious Joe wearing / An Armani suit ? Did Joe take a vow of perpetual poverty ?
That Joe is just a POS who is FOS.
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I agree. I do think a copy of the video exists, but Joran does not have access to it. Thus, his desire to create a new trophy. Perhaps his weird mind thought that would also be a great book cover for his book. Hey, he doesn't think the way we do, that's for sure.
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===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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