Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[klaasend]

Greetings, just catching up.

Was Natalee's death proven, was there a body?

wwizard - good to see you

[wizard]

Greetings, just catching up.

Was Natalee's death proven, was there a body?

wwizard - good to see you

likewise klaas, didnt recognize u in your new outfit.

[klaasend]

Greetings, just catching up.

Was Natalee's death proven, was there a body?

wwizard - good to see you

likewise klaas, didnt recognize u in your new outfit.

Yes I know, now I'm just another pretty face

[wingnut]

Klaas - I am not too good with the pictures.  I took one of Joran in handcuffs from my cell phone though.  Can I email it to your hotmail addy? 

[trimmonthelake]

The Today Show Paul Reynolds
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/37506673#37506673

[klaasend]

Klaas - I am not too good with the pictures.  I took one of Joran in handcuffs from my cell phone though.  Can I email it to your hotmail addy? 

Yes please smklaas@hotmail.com

[wingnut]

Klaas - I am not too good with the pictures.  I took one of Joran in handcuffs from my cell phone though.  Can I email it to your hotmail addy? 

Yes please smklaas@hotmail.com

Thank you!  You've got mail - LOL

[wingnut]

They showed Joran in handcuffs, first being placed in a police car, and then showed them putting him into a small plane to be flown back to Peru.  It is starting to feel real.

[jen3560]

Oh Sharon, thank you for this reminder!  Please forgive as I snip some out to highlight some others.

ARUBA - Stephany's blood is on YOUR HANDS!

7 -Aruba, surely you know that Natalee was kidnapped - or do you actually believe that the other "twenty" went "willingly" too?

8 -Aruba, surely you know that killers who hide from justice will surely strike again. Yet you’ve let them go free.


11 - Aruba, surely you know that dropping GHB into an innocent unknowing tourist's drink, doesn't turn the tourist into "willing" and "wanting" to be kidnapped, raped and killed? Yet you’ve charged no one with these crimes.


14 -Aruba, surely you know that what goes around, comes around again? Yet you keep obfuscating the truth.


16 -Aruba, surely you know that Joran raped and murdered Natalee and his accomplices raped her too. Yet they are all still walking free.


23 - Aruba, surely you know that you cannot drug, rape and murder an American tourist and not pay a heavy price for it.

Aruba, Surely you know we will never give up until Natalee and her family receive justice!

Natalee's Freebirds

[klaasend]

Klaas - I am not too good with the pictures.  I took one of Joran in handcuffs from my cell phone though.  Can I email it to your hotmail addy? 

Yes please smklaas@hotmail.com

Thanks Wingnut!

[jen3560]

They showed Joran in handcuffs, first being placed in a police car, and then showed them putting him into a small plane to be flown back to Peru.  It is starting to feel real.

Thanks honey!!!

[San]

Klaas - I am not too good with the pictures.  I took one of Joran in handcuffs from my cell phone though.  Can I email it to your hotmail addy? 

Yes please smklaas@hotmail.com

Thanks Wingnut!

That's the best picture.

Anita how do you like your little sporter now?  You created this monster.

[wingnut]

You're welcome!

[Blonde]

Joran tried to extort Beth.
Wanted $250,000 but settled for $15,000 downpayment.
FBI had goods on Joran for a while.
Had FBI arrested Joran at that time he would not have been in Peru.

The FBI wasbuilding a case against him.  I am sure they never figured he would go to this extreme......

IMO

This in on ARUBA. If they didn't tell Joran to get out of Aruba he wouldn't have left so fast to go to Peru.

[MisGivings]

On the undercurrent that Beth unwittingly enabled this murder to happen by financing Joran's trip to Peru, I have this to say:

Joran, of course, set all this in motion by murdering Natalee. That's a given and a fact that MANY in Aruban authority not only knew, but worked tirelessly to hide. They chose to protect, cover for, and release to freedom, a murderer. They knowingly made that choice. They disregarded the life of a young women so full of promise and they knowingly decided that her life was not worth the well being of a murderer. They did that directly, but it does not stop there. At the point when the decision was made to salvage Joran from his crime, they also made the decision that Stephany's life wasn't worth Joran's well being either. They are directly responsible for Stephany's death. If any doubt exists about that, I suggest they cue up the DeVries video and watch it again. Even at that late juncture they had a chance to rethink their decision. They had a second chance to do the right thing, and once again, they chose to let a known murderer go about freely.

Beth was presented an opportunity to protect the Stephany's of the world from her daughter's murderer, and she rose to the call. She chose to try to protect Stephany and Barbara and Susan and Debbie and all of the potential victims from a known murderer. Beth had the strength and conviction of truth and the wisdom of what is right and she waded into the mud and slime left by Aruban authorities, to try to prevent what happened.

Beth has no blood to wash from her being. Aruba is swimming in it.

Beth is not to blame. Beth is a hero.

Plus I read somewhere that Stephany became aware of who Joran was a week before her demise.

[TxLady2]

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/

June 3, 2010 | 5:51 PM ET
VERY BAD SITUATION - APPEARS THE FBI DROPPED THE BALL and YOUNG WOMAN IS DEAD
Greta Van Susteren | Anchor

Beth Holloway was extorted.  Joran van der Sloot took money from her and used it to finance his trip to South America where it is now believed he murdered.

Beth Holloway wanted to know what happened to her daughter.  Joran van der Sloot said he would tell her if she paid him.   She brought in the FBI.  The events happened in Aruba.

The FBI, as early as May 10, knew they had a case against Joran van der Sloot for wire fraud and extortion but failed to act until today.   Had they arrested him when they had the case against him, May 10, he would not have had the money to travel to South America and murder.

The FBI and the Aruba police were both involved in the events beginning before May 10.

There are many unanswered questions and it appears this second murder was preventable had van der Sloot been arrested.  The FBI has a lot of explaining to do.  Why did they wait?  What did they know and when?  Why were they not at least following him? They knew he committed a crime as of May 10.

And now Beth Holloway's money was used - extorted -  to make the unthinkable happen.

Yikes, Greta, why don't you just give the Joran worshippers more BS to help them justify and exhonerate this worthless piece of crap. The same people who have always tried to put the blood of Natalee on Beth's hands, and now you have basically said it is her fault Stephany is dead.
They already have one doofus saying there wasn't any blood at the latest crime seen, so there is already a sick spin being put on this awful tragedy.
Ignorance is Bliss, eh Greta?

I don't take it that way at all. I think Greta is blaming the FBI for not acting sooner on this extortion... she is not saying Beth is to blame. Greta has always supported Beth and Dave... she would never imply that Beth was at fault for what happened in Peru. JMO.

[Blonde]

He was in hand cuffs he looks sad today I took this picture from the TV

[Blonde]

[Bearlyhere]

Klaas - I am not too good with the pictures.  I took one of Joran in handcuffs from my cell phone though.  Can I email it to your hotmail addy? 

Yes please smklaas@hotmail.com

Thanks Wingnut!

Thanks, wingnut!

(jumping, spinning, cartwheeling emoticon)

[Bearlyhere]

On the undercurrent that Beth unwittingly enabled this murder to happen by financing Joran's trip to Peru, I have this to say:

Joran, of course, set all this in motion by murdering Natalee. That's a given and a fact that MANY in Aruban authority not only knew, but worked tirelessly to hide. They chose to protect, cover for, and release to freedom, a murderer. They knowingly made that choice. They disregarded the life of a young women so full of promise and they knowingly decided that her life was not worth the well being of a murderer. They did that directly, but it does not stop there. At the point when the decision was made to salvage Joran from his crime, they also made the decision that Stephany's life wasn't worth Joran's well being either. They are directly responsible for Stephany's death. If any doubt exists about that, I suggest they cue up the DeVries video and watch it again. Even at that late juncture they had a chance to rethink their decision. They had a second chance to do the right thing, and once again, they chose to let a known murderer go about freely.

Beth was presented an opportunity to protect the Stephany's of the world from her daughter's murderer, and she rose to the call. She chose to try to protect Stephany and Barbara and Susan and Debbie and all of the potential victims from a known murderer. Beth had the strength and conviction of truth and the wisdom of what is right and she waded into the mud and slime left by Aruban authorities, to try to prevent what happened.

Beth has no blood to wash from her being. Aruba is swimming in it.

Beth is not to blame. Beth is a hero.

Plus I read somewhere that Stephany became aware of who Joran was a week before her demise.

That was a misprint in the article.  If you listened to the tape of what her cousin said, he said, he was talking to his friend (not his cousin).