Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 - 5/17/09

[klaasend]

O / T  Caylee on pg. 97 ... been waiting for hours to lock, lol. It's going slowwww. I am logging out and can't wait any longer. See ya all tomorrow.

OK NUT, I'll check it.

[klaasend]

FYI - I just checked the LA Court records and that 5/11 document still is not available.

[ohcanada]

klassend 

what is rhis

I found out that there where or still are, or they are just 1 person that has to names.
The name is "canada" here on sm is ohcanada.
And on a another forum scrux, there is incanada.     http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1568&sid=686e8d28233f697999776882ba37d9f8

They both seems to know many details.

but it could be nothing... 

[klaasend]

klassend 

what is rhis

I found out that there where or still are, or they are just 1 person that has to names.
The name is "canada" here on sm is ohcanada.
And on a another forum scrux, there is incanada.     http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1568&sid=686e8d28233f697999776882ba37d9f8

They both seems to know many details.

but it could be nothing... 

That was poster DiSetti's attempt at being smart.  They were implying that you and a.incanada are the same person and I don't believe that to be true.  So ignore the post.

[ohcanada]

thankyou

[texasmom]

FYI - I just checked the LA Court records and that 5/11 document still is not available.

Thanks for checking Klaas!   

[Tamikosmom]

Thankyou Keepthefaith

Please dont take this the wrong way monkeys
because I believe you's are absolutely incredible
and you's should all get medals for your
magnificent efforts

but when you's are kicking the persistence and their
connections around  there is absolutely no
pressure what so ever on the three idiots and their
accomplices

even if we keep guessing at things and perhaps make
hits or near hits once in a while it will keep some
pressure n the dirty scumbags and maybe just
maybe one will crack
you's are amazing people

Another attempt to take the focus off the Persistence ... off of Kyle Kingman's own words.  IMO.

Although Americans must be reminded of the corrupt investigation that prevent justice from prevailing for one of their own ... focus must be kept on Kyle Kingman's own words which imply that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed in the trap ... Kyle Kingman's own words which imply the John Silvetti's ultimate betrayal.

Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan along with the ROV footage have the ability to blow this aspect of the Aruban coverup wide open.  My prayer is that these two men will do what is right and ... the FBI can then bring pressure on Aruba to afford the family the opportunity to lay Natalee to rest on American soil.

My prayer is that something is already going on behind the scenes.

Janet

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REMINDER

2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba.  On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor.  The discovery was a large fish trap.  On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.   
______

The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman:  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman:  John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.
________

In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

BUMPED

[klaasend]

Thank you Janet 

[Tamikosmom]

Keepthefaith

It is a beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.

Unfortunately ... the day will be spent in the library with 11 year old homeschooled  grandson.  I am teacher on call (TOC) today and I have to oversee this young man's ability to research data and comprise a report without any computer access.

 

I do not know that encyclopaedias still existed on the printed page.  I had assume on-line research was now a given.

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
10:00 AM

This young man is kin to his grandmother so in my estimation he will NO problems doing research.  And what better person than you Janet to teach him.

<snipped>

Thank you Blue Moon.

I had a special day with my grandson ... one on one ... undivided attention.  It does not happen often when you consider that he has three siblings.   He is growing up way too fast.  I am so proud of him.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you Janet 

You are welcome Klaas.

Janet

[ohcanada]

tamikosmom

thats not what i ment there at all

maybe i didnt put it down properly
so i'll try here

what i ment was when you's are constantly talking about the persistence
for days on end without mentioning   anything about the three azzholes
and their accomplices ....it feels as if that part of the case is falling by the way
and is being forgotten????.....i certainly(?) didnt mean you should stop

[wreck]

tamikosmom

thats not what i ment there at all

maybe i didnt put it down properly
so i'll try here

what i ment was when you's are constantly talking about the persistence
for days on end without mentioning   anything about the three azzholes
and their accomplices ....it feels as if that part of the case is falling by the way
and is being forgotten????.....i certainly(?) didnt mean you should stop

Actually, we haven't been "Persistence" intensive since Beth's movie came out. I say we go back to it full bore ( much to your chagrin!) 

[Buckeye]

FYI - I just checked the LA Court records and that 5/11 document still is not available.

Thanks  Klaas

[Anna]

tamikosmom

thats not what i ment there at all

maybe i didnt put it down properly
so i'll try here

what i ment was when you's are constantly talking about the persistence
for days on end without mentioning   anything about the three azzholes
and their accomplices ....it feels as if that part of the case is falling by the way
and is being forgotten????.....i certainly(?) didnt mean you should stop

How about all the posts about Joran and his new BFF Jaap?

Are you actually reading the posts that are made daily?  Very little has been about the Persistence lately.  It's been Jaap and the Kalpoes trial.

Each poster is at liberty to post what interests them and they want to discuss.

[Helen Back]

tamikosmom

thats not what i ment there at all

maybe i didnt put it down properly
so i'll try here

what i ment was when you's are constantly talking about the persistence
for days on end without mentioning   anything about the three azzholes
and their accomplices ....it feels as if that part of the case is falling by the way
and is being forgotten????.....i certainly(?) didnt mean you should stop

Actually, we haven't been "Persistence" intensive since Beth's movie came out. I say we go back to it full bore ( much to your chagrin!) 

I agree Wreck. 

Since Aruba will never bring a prosecution of the JPK2 , and have made the choice to continue the cover up,  the best way to bring them all down is to continue to expose the cover up.  Seems the Persistence is directly tied to the continuing cover up and the AHATA and ATA.

Now, where were we?

Evening monkeys.

[Helen Back]

Sure could use some good news around here.  I wonder where that frog is?

Anyway, I am patient.   

tick tock tick tock

Nitey nite monkeys.

[texasmom]

Sure could use some good news around here.  I wonder where that frog is?

Anyway, I am patient.   

tick tock tick tock

Nitey nite monkeys.

I know how you feel, I think we could all use some good news!

Good night Helen Back!   

[pinkbanana]

FWIW, the fok.nl Natalee Holloway thread is now closed.  Guess they got tired of the childish bickering even amongst themselves 

I guess Johan only belongs to 148 forums now.

No worries, though....he's with all the big time researchers.   

They can research Den Dobler and Hermit Crabs and watermark them all.

Oh..I see.It's firday,everyone's happy and 2nj broke out tha Hinky Juice...Mag's and Blue moon need to take it easy.The evening is still early....

Say the word Hinky and Janet's dancin.....

Oh I LOVE her....   
 

pb

[texasmom]

Me too, but I think she needs a partner!   




 

[pinkbanana]

Me too, but I think she needs a partner!   




 

  that's great! 

Ok, back to reading...

pb