SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Rob]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

[Blonde]

 I take care of the maintenance of the house, the yacht and ranch of Eric Mansur. I do this already 6 years. I earn the minimum wage of afl. 1.250. I live at the L.G. Smith Boulevard no 546. The house is owned by Eric Mansur.
Carlos Alberto PENATA RAMOS

http://www.hollowaycase.com/

[bleachedblack]

lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.

I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

[bleachedblack]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

Hmmm that is interesting. The declaration reads that
"After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish," he would not sign it.
Did they want him to sign the english version? Maybe he was wise to the ways of ALE and it was not the actual content of what was being said but maybe he could not be sure what he was being asked to sign?

[Rob]

lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.

I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

good question... I guess if you want a high roller table they will give you one if your credit line is good or high enough. I have seen roped off tables at the Hyatt.

In an "illegal" game you would be playing against other players and in a game at the Excelsior you would be playing against the house and that income is taxable.

The Excelsior payout is guaranteed and an "illegal" game may not be.

[SS]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

[CapsLockWizard]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

When did this ramos came to work in aruba... Any status of these person... are we shure of the Name..

I wonder if this Ramos has a other name: DH must know this Ramos.

Names could have been Euginio Fabian Davila Ramos (btn as Fabain Ramos)

Any pictures of the garderner

[Rob]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

Hmmm that is interesting. The declaration reads that
"After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish," he would not sign it.
Did they want him to sign the english version? Maybe he was wise to the ways of ALE and it was not the actual content of what was being said but maybe he could not be sure what he was being asked to sign?

well, if it's not signed, it's not worth anything.

1. he is not telling the truth and didn't want to be caught lying as a witness.

2. he is telling the truth and Kelly changed his wording and he wouldn't sign it due to discrepancies.

I think it's weird that a witness comes forward and allegedly makes statement voluntarily and WON'T SIGN IT. WTF?!?!

someone is lying here in my opinion.

[Rob]

Another thing - Ramos is from Columbia IIRC - he WOULD speak Spanish. I see nothing wrong that Kelly did here yet.

[Rob]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?

[CapsLockWizard]

PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?

[bleachedblack]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

SS I don't see where it says the gardener was Julia's? Is this the paragraph of information that you are referring to?

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.

[Rob]

If the gardener is a diversion for the Sloots it didn't work. The gardener says he see Joran is the driver's seat of Deepak's Honda.

If the gardener was a diversion for the Sloot and to protect Joran he would have said he spotted Deepak in the driver's seat and Satish in the passenger's seat and no sign of Joran. Satish is the only one protected.... it makes no sense.

[bleachedblack]

I do recall the gardener witness was from another country Columbia sounds right, have to look around. Jossy also had another witness the condom witness think he was from another country also.......these witnesses all blend together in the end when nothing has has panned out

[Rob]

PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?

I'll literally fall over he if he is from Barranquilla.

[CapsLockWizard]

lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.

I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

good question... I guess if you want a high roller table they will give you one if your credit line is good or high enough. I have seen roped off tables at the Hyatt.

In an "illegal" game you would be playing against other players and in a game at the Excelsior you would be playing against the house and that income is taxable.

The Excelsior payout is guaranteed and an "illegal" game may not be.

This Illagal casino is for the some high rollers

62.   Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm ********* NAT  STORES ********
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation <------
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes

[Rob]

I do recall the gardener witness was from another country Columbia sounds right, have to look around. Jossy also had another witness the condom witness think he was from another country also.......these witnesses all blend together in the end when nothing has has panned out

BB the condom witness is a totally different witness but from Columbia and a Mansur witness.

[bleachedblack]

I think I am thinking about the condom witness.....
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06. CARLOS, THE COLUMBIAN

In March, 2006 Carlos, the Columbian, who was in Aruba illegally contacted Natalee's family through Art Wood with the claim that on the morning of May 30, 2005 he observed activity on the Mariott Beach that involved both Joran and Natalee. He claimed to have given the prosescutor forensic evidence (cloth) to back up his claim. This witness was detained for two months prior to being deported. Where is Carlos' official witness statement?

[CapsLockWizard]

PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?

I'll literally fall over he if he is from Barranquilla.

the one Ramos that I mention is from Baranquilla. Was in Jail in 2004 and knows the procedure of not signing..Must have learned that signing is like a swear statement.

[Rob]

Caps, are they they same person? Doesn't seem like it.

One Mansur statement / witness had Natalee in a whore house in Barranquilla IIRC. I'm wondering where this whole "Barranquilla" business started...

Someone on that side must have connections in that area of Columbia. jmo