Caylee Marie Anthony #162 5/10/10 - 5/22/10

[mizjay]

I SO enjoyed seeing CA so distraught.............call me mean, but it was SO SATISFYING to see her finally off her proverbial high horse for a change. I hope she gets all that is coming to her for all the things she has done to hid that KC killed that baby and I hope Caylee's spirit haunts her every night.

Turbo I could not agree or have said what you just did more!!  She can rot as far as I am concerned and so can George.

No sympathy from me either. Cindy has put herself front and center since this began. Her new persona of a weakened scared mommy is bs. All the crouching and leaning in her seat, hands by her mouth seems to disappear the minute it's over. The minute it's over she's up, meeting and greeting. No slumped shoulders, no drawn face.....it's all for show IYAM.  Whatever, spindy.

[no rose colored glasses]

Prosecutors said this case was different because Anthony doesn't have a disorder.  I found this and a couple other things said today very interesting.

Said the same thing earlier, IMHO the reason being is that Casey had no recorded medical history with a mental disorder, no treatment & her parents vehemently denied that she had ANY mental health issues.  it was a comment that was made with conviction.

I bet she has some now, and I will also bet there will be talk about sexual abuse, for me this is a given. Wonder where George was?

[Cappuccino]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/5/11/will_casey_face_death_penalty.html
 Casey Still Faces Death Penalty
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:14:31 PM
Reported by Jacqueline Fell and Mark Jenkins

ORLANDO -- In the Case Against Casey Anthony, Judge Belvin Perry is allowing the state to seek the death penalty.

The following motions were submitted by the defense on April 19. Perry denied them at Tuesday's hearing.

    * Motion to preclude the state's impermissible, gender biase, request for imposition of the death penalty  http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Preclude%20the%20State%27s%20Impermissible%20Gender%20Biased%20Request%20for%20Imposition%20of%20the%20Death%20Penalty.pdf
    * Second motion to preclude death procedures for impermissible prosecutorial motives
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Second%20Motion%20to%20Preclude%20Death%20Procedures%20for%20Impermissible%20Prosecutorial%20Motives.pdf

The defense fought the decision in court, but Perry ultimately upheld the initial decision.

Anthony broke down into tears in court when defense attorneys mentioned her daughter's name.

The defense said just because Anthony had a promiscuous lifestyle doesn't mean Caylee wasn't well taken care of.

The defense set out to prove the state wanted the death penalty because it has a gender bias.
Defense called to Elizabeth Rapaport, a law professor from the University of New Mexico, to the stand during the hearing. Rapaport studies cases of gender and capital punishment, saying women who lead deviant lifestyles are at a disadvantage.

"Deviant mother is in trouble.  If that woman defendant was deviant, she's likely to get tagged for it and very difficult to defend successfully," Rapaport said.

Prosecutors said this case was different because Anthony doesn't have a disorder.

The defense may have played the gender card because they didn't know why the state wanted the death penalty.

Prosecutors initially said they wouldn't see it, but later changed their minds saying aggravating factors came to light.

However, the defense said the state wouldn't share those factors. Perry stepped in and gave the state 10 days to list what those aggravating factors are.

We could soon learn more about the case the state will bring against Anthony before the trial begins May 9, 2011.

As if that wasnt rehearsed, pleeeeeease!   The only time that monster cries is for herself, everything else is a "poke my eye, make me cry" show.

[mizjay]

Prosecutors said this case was different because Anthony doesn't have a disorder.  I found this and a couple other things said today very interesting.

Oh, that is interesting.  I don't know where they can go to defend her, wonder what ( or who) they will finally decide use to blame

[Sister]

Must the state list "all" the aggravating circumstances or can they list the ones that meet the requirement of law without totally tipping their hand?  Can the state later list other aggravating circumstances?  IMHO it won't matter if they list them all, I believe momster's behavior and lack thereof speak for itself.
The notion in the brush cut "expert"'s testimony that deviant women cannot get a fair trial . . . WTH does that mean?  If I am a deviant I get a get out of jail card?  She was very ill-prepared to be such an expert on gender bias.
Another good day for Caylee!

[no rose colored glasses]

Okay...I haven't had time to read back yet...but where was George today?

Again...an oddity...I'm thinking there's a problem with George...he looked bad yesterday.

Guilt and stress can gnaw away at you, and can cause many health issues. Maybe the suggestion of sex abuse was the last straw.

[Cappuccino]

Prosecutors said this case was different because Anthony doesn't have a disorder.  I found this and a couple other things said today very interesting.

Said the same thing earlier, IMHO the reason being is that Casey had no recorded medical history with a mental disorder, no treatment & her parents vehemently denied that she had ANY mental health issues.  it was a comment that was made with conviction.

I bet she has some now, and I will also bet there will be talk about sexual abuse, for me this is a given. Wonder where George was?

I'm sure there will be a host of violin worthy whining of all things we should feel sorry for Casey about....at best it might save her life by lethal injection but that is about it & it is evident that a vast majority could care less how she was allegedly victimized, nothing is an excuse to have been proven that she murdered her own flesh & blood.   One could argue that if she was a victim of sexual abuse you would think that she would have chosen to kill her molester, not an innocent baby girl in the heinous manner we've had the horror of realizing happened to Caylee.

They can die trying....no pun intended.

[Cappuccino]

Must the state list "all" the aggravating circumstances or can they list the ones that meet the requirement of law without totally tipping their hand?  Can the state later list other aggravating circumstances?  IMHO it won't matter if they list them all, I believe momster's behavior and lack thereof speak for itself.
The notion in the brush cut "expert"'s testimony that deviant women cannot get a fair trial . . . WTH does that mean?  If I am a deviant I get a get out of jail card?  She was very ill-prepared to be such an expert on gender bias.
Another good day for Caylee!

They were ordered to list all that they intend to argue apply in this case.   In my view, it doesnt tip their hand that much nor will it be a surprise to this defense that is posturing, they know darn well which ones apply.

[Sister]

Must the state list "all" the aggravating circumstances or can they list the ones that meet the requirement of law without totally tipping their hand?  Can the state later list other aggravating circumstances?  IMHO it won't matter if they list them all, I believe momster's behavior and lack thereof speak for itself.
The notion in the brush cut "expert"'s testimony that deviant women cannot get a fair trial . . . WTH does that mean?  If I am a deviant I get a get out of jail card?  She was very ill-prepared to be such an expert on gender bias.
Another good day for Caylee!

They were ordered to list all that they intend to argue apply in this case.   In my view, it doesnt tip their hand that much nor will it be a surprise to this defense that is posturing, they know darn well which ones apply.

Capp, thanks.  I agree, their hands have been open from the beginning.  It really won't matter.  But in the course of from now to the beginning of the trial, can they add more if they established another aggravating circumstance?  Will the poop team be required to list their mitigating circumstances before trial?

[Puzzler]

The past 2 days, Cindy looks like she's trying to sink into herself.  She's there, but she looks like she's trying to shrivel up and go away.

[katsclown]

Do we know who the black (scantily clad) woman was who sat with KC while the lawyers were at sidebar?  She even hugged her before she left.  No acknowledgement of CA that I could see.

[SunnyinTX]

The way I saw it was he asked if she was here and Lyon said yes...she was in the court room.  I believe the Judge pretty much knew how he was going to rule (he was VERY prepared) and since the professor had flown in from out of state he let her talk and was very lenient with letting her talk so that when he made the ruling there would be no coming back from the defense in a future motion that the judge wouldn't let the expert talk.

Elementary...but you get my gist...

that was how I saw it....since she was there.........let her talk, because he already knew he was denying the motion

[SunnyinTX]

Prosecutors said this case was different because Anthony doesn't have a disorder.  I found this and a couple other things said today very interesting.

ditto.............

I used to think a woman had to be crazy to murder her child.......Diane Downs and Susan Smith changed my mind.............some women are pure evil and IMO Diane Downs, Susan Smith, Darlie Routier and Casey Anthony are perfect examples of the EVIL category.  JMO and I have nothing to back that up other my personal feelings on EVIL.

[trimmonthelake]

05/11/10 hearing
Part 1  http://www.wftv.com/video/23516373/index.html
Part 2  http://www.wftv.com/video/23516985/index.html
Part 3  http://www.wftv.com/video/23517144/index.html
Part 4  http://www.wftv.com/video/23518001/index.html
Casey Gets Emotional Slide Show  http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/23516352/detail.html
Casey Gets Emotion During Hearing Video  http://www.wesh.com/video/23516177/index.html
Casey Walks In Slide Show  http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/23515589/detail.html
Casey Walks In Video  http://www.wftv.com/video/23515631/index.html
Judge Issue Stern Warning  http://www.wesh.com/video/23516084/index.html

[Puzzler]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/5/11/will_casey_face_death_penalty.html
 Casey Still Faces Death Penalty
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:22:03 AM
Reported by Jacqueline Fell and Mark Jenkins

ORLANDO -- Judge Belvin Perry has denied the motion to preclude the death penalty in Casey Anthony case. State prosecutors can still pursue death.

A hearing is under way at the Orange County Courthouse.
Updates From Court

10:17 a.m. -- Cindy walked in and told Casey "I love you" as she was discussing things with her attorneys. Casey started crying, as Jose Baez and Andrea Cheney hover over her.

10:09 a.m. -- Perry takes 10 minute recess.

10:08 a.m. -- Judge Perry denies motion to preclude the death penalty. State prosecutors can still pursue death.

9:45 a.m. -- The professor's testimony concludes.

9:23 a.m. -- State is fighting tooth and nail. Every question defensse asks, the state objects to the professor, saying media pays huge attention to white middle class women accused of killing their child.

9:15 a.m. -- Cindy Anthony is in court with a friend. George Anthony is not present.

9:13 a.m. -- The professor takes the stand.

9:11 a.m. -- The legal professor who traveled here from New Mexico will be allowed to testify. If the state wants more time to cross examine, they will have 30 days and then will do it via video conference.

9:07 a.m. -- Defense plans to call witness regarding motion concerning gender bias. The state says they did not have enough notice (sufficient time) to depose and are objecting to her testifying.

Although prosecutors are seeking the death penalty, Anthony's lawyers say it is unconstitutional.

This could also be a strategic move by the State Attorney's Office.

Anthony's defense team believes this is an attempt to break her financially.

She has already been declared indigent, so the state will be picking up the tab on today’s hearing.

The defense could argue that added expense of a death penalty case could be more of a burden on taxpayers.

"I'm a little bit biased to that fact,” said Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez. “We think there's some serious issues with it. The Florida Death Penalty is unique to other states. There's some serious problems with it. Obviously, the death penalty in our position doesn't work. So you're probably going to hear all those arguments and more."

Those arguments are not likely to come from Baez, but from co-council Andrea Lyon.

Lyon filed the motion saying, "The prosecution knew this would financially break the defense."

Court started at 9:00 a.m.  Cindy didn't walk in until afterwards...late...2 days in a row...this time without George.  There's a problem.

[SunnyinTX]

Okay...I haven't had time to read back yet...but where was George today?

Again...an oddity...I'm thinking there's a problem with George...he looked bad yesterday.

Puzzler, no one knows.....just guesses on our part. I am beginning to think that shirt yesterday might have been a 'work' shirt........if they are going to try to renegotiate on their house then someone has to have a job.  He has looked bad to me for a while....but I think it's GUILT not medical

[Puzzler]

Lyon's perfect record is looking to be reaching the end of its lifecycle.      

She is nothing but a blowhard & the reason why she had previous success is that she preached to the off from center choir of koolaid anonymous in the vicinity where she bloviates her BS

Well, Lyon has not had a case in Florida before (correct me if I'm wrong, please)...she just might not far as well in that state.

[Puzzler]

I took a break too, and when I got back to the computer, grabbed this shot:

Is Georgette there?

Sad, I don't think any parent wants their child (monster as this one may be) to die. Cindy knows Casey's going to be convicted.

Don't think George is there. No one has seen him. Maybe he is sensitive to the word, "death."

 

What a shot.  Wonder if Rosebud is practicing for handcuffs when the karma train catches up with her as well. 

Cindy looks appropriately scared and concerned for what's going on in court; whereas, KC looks like she's still in her own world, not scared, occasionally angry because you see that jaw clinch.

The one or two tears at the mention of Caylee I'm thinking is only because it was Mother's Day and "maybe" it got to her.

She'll be all over that by the next time she's in court.

Cutting her NO slack here...

[Cappuccino]

Must the state list "all" the aggravating circumstances or can they list the ones that meet the requirement of law without totally tipping their hand?  Can the state later list other aggravating circumstances?  IMHO it won't matter if they list them all, I believe momster's behavior and lack thereof speak for itself.
The notion in the brush cut "expert"'s testimony that deviant women cannot get a fair trial . . . WTH does that mean?  If I am a deviant I get a get out of jail card?  She was very ill-prepared to be such an expert on gender bias.
Another good day for Caylee!

They were ordered to list all that they intend to argue apply in this case.   In my view, it doesnt tip their hand that much nor will it be a surprise to this defense that is posturing, they know darn well which ones apply.

Capp, thanks.  I agree, their hands have been open from the beginning.  It really won't matter.  But in the course of from now to the beginning of the trial, can they add more if they established another aggravating circumstance?  Will the poop team be required to list their mitigating circumstances before trial?

I dont think so, I'm pretty sure they already know each one they will put forward apply.  Two or more are required to be met & during penalty phase the aggravating factors must outweigh the mitigating factors.   IMHO, those will be as listed in Florida Statute 921.141 

(f) The capital felony was committed for pecuniary gain.                  (possible)
(h) The capital felony was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel.
(i) The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification.
(l)  The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age.   (met without argument)

[no rose colored glasses]

The past 2 days, Cindy looks like she's trying to sink into herself.  She's there, but she looks like she's trying to shrivel up and go away.

The weight of the necklace she is wearing probably is helping her sink.