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MF  PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:38 pm         

MF wrote:
Apparently they were first contacted by Beth back in 2005.
...or they contacted Beth...especially since they are so well know

The second time they came they got in contact with a local media who later on contacted the government to cover the charges for them to come back for a third time, in which they had contact with Minister Briezen who sent them to Minister Croes who on his turn, sent them to the OM.

Last they came back this week for the fourth time, arrived, went to Hotel and had a press conference.

According to them, this time they had to make a loan to come back... I mean... high season too, LOL.  I'm sure it was their dime

Sorry..hopefully my comments showed in red this time.

are they still on the island?  any more press conferences planned that we know of?
dennisintn

Oh,yes, the old cover game.  They are working undercover, Julia is running for cover and Aruba is creating a coverup.

I think MF said that they packed up and left without warning yesterday afternoon.

there are always empty rooms, regardless of how they want you to think they're really putting out for you when you call for reservations.  it's part of the squeeze for more cash per day.
dennisintn

they had their say, and got out before people came back after following up on their lies.  they had no proof of anything they said.
dennisintn

Speaking of Joran's bad temper and the wine throwing....before we were derailed by the new drama....I found the link to Fred's description of Joran....and his grueling prison detention  ::MonkeyWink::

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/inside-look-at-aruba-prison/805420713

With regards to the jewelry store in the Wyndham, I believe it was called Gandelman Jewelers.

Buckeye ... thank you.

Janet

Hey Y'all...

I just read in the musings thread that Weekend Edition did a story on Joran and the wine tossing... I missed it...



and I have to say that the aruba tourist authority isn't doing a good job... I was looking at winter get aways and they are damn near paying ppl to go to the crummy island... it's the only place that 2 ppl can go to for under $1,200 with airfare... heck, I can't even go to Florida for that!

i laugh everytime i see that.  if y'all run into the greta interview with the aruban businessman at the dump when dave was digging through the heat and filth for his daughter, i would really appreciate having a link to that.  when i saw that man giving beth and dave hell over trying to find their daughter and saying they just needed to shut up, go home, and get over it, i changed.  anyway, if you find it, please post it for me.
dennisintn

i wonder sometimes when the k2 brothers will tell all they know



i think that day is rapidly approaching

They can't and won't tell all they know because they are just as guilty.  Even though they might not have killed Natalee they assisted in the drugging, kidnapping and raping Natalee.  What are they going to say without incriminating themselves.  They are predators.

i remember reading once that when all hope is lost

keep fighting and just keep on fighting

i like that


at this point, i dont care what aruba does and i dont care what the dutch do

they have spoken loud and clear as to what their intentions are


so be it

they did what they did and i will do what i have to do. which is to make sure in my little
way to remind everyone to NEVER go there, DONT support anything they do and do whatever i can to wreck the tourism trade.

so be it  ::MonkeyCool::

yes, i agree

and sometimes people do come clean

joran never will... but the K2 brothers might

only because they are tired of joran and his BS

robots, i'll be right there with you. 
dennisintn

So tomorrow, we are heading down to a casino in the San Diego vicinity.  Maybe I should try and lookup Daniel Young first and have him read my palm.  Maybe Daniel can tell me what slot machine to pick.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

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I agree Robots!

::MonkeyCool::
i know you will

Just be sure to wash your hand really, really, good after that reading Klaas!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Correct me if I'm wrong...but I do believe that casino is on an Indian Reservation  ::MonkeyShocked::

Posted by MF at RU regarding Kelly and Castillo:

MF wrote:


If I am not mistaken, they already left. But we have some new friend in town.


My guess is that would be Renee G   ::MonkeyWink::

ALL of the casinos in Southern California are on Indian Reservations  ::MonkeyWink::

And in case you have a heart attack from your losses, there is always a hospice unit nearby. ::MonkeyDance::

Tylergal - how creepy is it that he works at a hospice?  Would you want him taking care of you?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

That's too sceery to contemplate.

I believe he said volunteers.  You know, get to know the families of the dying so he can connect with them afterwards....for a pricey "spiritual" connection and comfort.   :2doh:

I want to know if the RUs are still holding court.  If not, I have saved this case of popcorn for nothing.  Oh, well, someone throw them some red meat.  My corn is already popping.

I don't even believe that Castillo & Young (sounds like a dance group)
are really Indians.  I think they have just watch too many episodes
of Sylvia Brown on the Montel Show.

Glenda just posted a bit ago.  They are still at it but not like last night.  Maybe it will pick up as the evening rolls on and more alcohol is consumed  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Here is their very professional looking website.  You can learn all about them there:

http://www.guidedlight.com/

Could be.  When they first appeared in 2006, MF said they were from Arkansas...they same state that the  Natalee letter to PVDS was postmarked.  Does Arkansas have Indians?  I know Cleveland does........

You are so smart Buckeye. ::MonkeyDance::I would have never thought of that.  I bet that is
exactly what he does.

Yes Cleveland does ::MonkeyLaugh::  I think most states have Indians.  I know
Alabama does.  We order a cancer cure from an Indian in South Alabama and
he doesn't even charge for it.  It works too.

Magnolia, send some of that cancer cure to Peaches, will ya!?  Native Americans are in most every state, I think. 

Every state has far more than it was born with because ever skank is out for Indian money.

I think the website is creepy, the philosophy they taut is creepy, the comments are creepy, and they are shisters of the worst kind feeding on people at their most vulnerable junctures in life.

If there were any credence to the ability of psychics, or mediums, then why hasn't one stepped forward to tell the world exactly where Natalee is and really rise up to, glory, and credibility?

I will tell her how to contact the Indian.  My cousin has Mesatheleoma.  When they found
it the Drs said that he would not live two months.  That was four years ago and he is
doing great. Drs say they have never seen anybody last this long with this disease.
He sends it via UPS.

CBB - I agree!  This front page poster agrees as well  ::MonkeyWink::

Just posted on the front page of SM:

Dave B. wrote:

I regreat to say this, but I know Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo personally. Daniel claims to be a “Medium”, who communicates with deceased spirits. Kelly was not a medium, until she met Daniel and he became her mentor. So, long story short, almost all of the information those to have regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was “Given” to them through the spirit of Natalee and other deceased spitits. For several years they have tried to pass this information to the US media, but were turned down. “Wow, I wonder why”.

Jan 20, 10:26 PM

There's a bridge at the entrance to my neighborhood over the Holston River. I grew up in this neighborhood and it was a pastime for all the kids to dig around the riverbanks and collect arrowheads. I literally had a cigar box full. There's gambling on the reservations now. Mom used to go to Cherokee often to play Bingo and the slot machines, and there's university scholorship money available if you can prove Indian ancestry...........I'm not sure what generation or how much is required.

1/16th Indian for college tuition I think.  We had cigar boxes of arrow heads too.

They are probably not Indian and are just doing what a lot of other skanks do and claim they are.  I have 2 cousins who are MDs and 1 who is an attorney and all went through college and medical school and law school on Indian money.  How they got papers indicating they were is beyond me because some other cousins and I have researched our heritage for years and we cannot find any Indian blood in their lineage.  Not even the Mormons have any recording of their being Indian.

Aruba is like Woodstock in the Caribbean. 

Hello, Dave B.  There's one born every minute and I see you are one of their useful idiots.

I have an idea how they did it, Tyler. My great Grandmother, who died when I was 16 always said that her maternal Grandfather was Indian (Cherokee, I think). She, in fact, did have classic physical Indian features; high cheek bones, dark eyes, stright black hair, and dark complexion. I had photos of her Mother and honestly, you would swear she was Indian without prompting from anyone! I became interested in her geneology as an adult because I couldn't trace it beyond her Mother's generation and ended up at some website that claimed to be able to trace Indian ancestory. It was a joke! You could literally start with anyone and "discover" Indian ancestory! If that search was something acceptable to a University, then we all could go to college for free!

Renfro should never be allowed to darken the shores of the USA again.
She is a traitor as much as if she had sold uranium to Iraq.

i hope no one here thinks I am implying that real Native Americans are any lesser the children of God than we are, but every government program brings with it ways that skanks can get around it and make money from it.

It is sad that we "invent" these programs to be used by those who are not deserving.

I could go on and on about the FEMA usurpers in my area who came here from Louisiana, but I digress.

I am sure it was some devious or dishonest means, because we just cannot find that Indian blood although we have even searched Mormon records.

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/1169751.html

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Rough translation:
18-01-08
Joran are INNOCENT

Order bini! Than 67 per cent of the geenStijl visitors vinkte more last in our poll to that Joran of of the ditch ' guilty ' are to the mysterious disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately peanut cheese (lol) and wrong. There is news from Aruba. Joran are innocent. All a glass wine in your face. Natalee pregnant, because she had abuse sex had been had with its stepfather, its mother knew of, Natalee have lived still weeks after that aware day, she has been assassinated by its stepfather, who her has administered to a overdose drugs. Afterwards the little girl in a very very complete deeply breach has been thrown on the range. And meanwhile them entirely abandoned are by arubaanse zandkevers. Peter R. freezes praat peop

Many Euro and Caribbean ISPs on sitemeter overnight.

Tylergal - yep alot of them posting or trying to post on the front page of SM.  ::MonkeyWink::

well, i guess ahata and ata got their moneys worth out of the psychotic psychics.  free airline tickets first class accomodations and meals, and a suitcase full of untaxed cash.  even if they did have to rush off the island before people demanded to see the evidence they claimed to have.  lol, or were they outrunning the warrants for their arrest? 
dennisintn

Some of those posts on the front page are SICK.  Have to give SM's credit for showing the world what sick babe's there are in Aruba and (sorry) the NL.  These people really amaze me.  As for Julie, I believe she is just putting on a show so she can keep from being sued.  I think she has probably already heard from some lawyer (in the U.S.) about this possibility and it has rattled her.  It is obvious she is the one working on this documentary along with Renee from past threats/posts concerning all the garbage that will come out.  She is running scared. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Their Web Site does not allow comments. LOL
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We have Natives here in Canada. I used to work at a Native Health Services org.
At one point, our team had to have a " healing " seminar.  It was quite interesting. Medicine Man conducted all of the activities for three days. We all learned alot and frankly, I felt better than I had for a long time after we went thu this experience. The Medicine Man was also a nurse, an RN and was combining tradiitonal native healing methods, sweat lodges, herbs, smudging with the Western methods. I was given a Grandfather rock to keep and was to hold it and stroke it when I had a difficult decision to make. I still have it.   
Some of the herbs he was beginning to cultivate and use are now in the health food stores, but you have to get someone who knows what they are doing to help you because you could kill yourself with these medicines just as easily as with the ones from a pharmacy.
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My bro tried EssiacTea when he was ill with Lymphoma. He also had surgery and chemo.
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Medincine Men are brought up here to Canada from Arizona to try to heal some of the communities here.
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It's interesting, but it is not my culture or part of my belief system. But, if I were terminally ill, I sure would give it a whirl. 
 

In my best AOL voice to Klaas: You have mail!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I see Slogger lurking! The mail's about you!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Happy Valentine's Day!

I started the last post wanting to say that those two were probably trying to prey on Beth and Anita at the same time. They seem like evil people to me.
I also believe in the devil who lives within souls. 

Wow, Katgram. I thought about dark influences when I went to their website as well. There's a purposeful attempt there to use fear as a persuasion to contact them. I thought it was creepy!

I changed after I saw that man also that day and I wish I would have been there when he said that. I have looked high and low for that video with no luck. It would almost be worth the air fair to Aruba to be able to confront that SOB. I am glad neither of us has forgotten about him  :wink:

Buckeye - I don't know if the one you are looking for is here but there are alot of them:

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=JLBVideos&p=r

Chico california is on looking up castillo, and then going to youtube...... ::MonkeyLaugh::

I invisioned that moments ago.   ::MonkeyCool::

Please God..let them find Natalee..When is this girl ever going to get a break?
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XIII. Stay the Course

Update: Sun 20-Jan 2055 hrs- seas 8-10ft, wind E 30-35kts, continuing dead-heading sonar lines in 800-1100+ft of water.

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I'm not sure if "relentless" would have been a better name for the ship.  They've sure had some rough seas to contend with.

Hi,

Thank you both, CBB and Klaas.  I had been sitting in the Guest Balcony.  Now, I'm back on the wagon....and, decorated.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Janet!!!  I'm okay.  Hope all is well with you.

From your post to God's ears, *******! I join you and all of us here that always have Natalee and her family close to heart, thought, and prayers! Please God, guide them, and bless their efforts and sacrifices. Please help them bring her home. Amen!

Well, I watched as much of their " interview " as I could stomach for one day.
About the lowest thing I've ever seen.
What names do these two azzwipes post on RU, FOB as ?
How much were they paid by Aruba to do this ?

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=53797

Stringent Immigration Policy Halts Rapid Population Growth

January 19th 2008, Aruba.
 
Aruba likely to have admitted less than 2,000 immigrants
in 2007, the lowest number since 1988!

ORANJESTAD-The number of inhabitants in Aruba is not growing
as fast today as it did over the past 18 years, when it grew by 2,100
persons annually. The stringent immigration policy imposed by the
present government has lead only to a slight increase in population in the
first 9 months of 2007. So far it is the lowest population increase since
1988.

The population count at the end of 2006 stood at 103,459 inhabitants,
according to the statistics released by the Central Bureau for Statistics
(CBS). The population grew by an additional of 470 persons to 103,929
inhabitants at the end of September 2007.

The natural increase of the population is entirely responsible for the
growth in 2007. There were 923 births on the island in the first 9 months
of 2007, and 375 deaths in that same period, a natural increase of 548
persons.

More people left Aruba to settle elsewhere than migrated to the island
from abroad. A total of 1,471 immigrants were admitted to the island in
the first 9 months of 2007. In that same period 1,548 persons left the
island to settle elsewhere in the world. This represents a net emigration of
77 persons.

Aruba could close the year 2007 with the lowest number of immigrants
admitted since 1988. The island has admitted over 3,000 immigrants
every year since 1990. The number of immigrants admitted fell below the
bar of 3,000 persons in 2006, to a total of 2,341 immigrants admitted.
Aruba will most certainly close 2007 admitting less than 2,000 immigrants.

The number of people leaving Aruba has remained stable in the first 9
months of 2007, but is showing a slightly upward trend since 2005. Only
1,469 persons left Aruba during 2005, that is the lowest number
registered since records were kept in 1972. A total of 1,722 persons left
the island during 2006, slightly up from 2005.

The population density rose to 577persons per square kilometer at the
end of September 2007. The island had 575 persons per square kilometer
at the end of 2006. Aruba is still the third most densely populated
country in the Americas, far behind Barbados and Dutch St. Maarten.

1100ft of water, 30+kt winds, seas 8-10ft at 1am.  We're making steady progress.  Thanks for your prayers and support.  Things will get interesting soon. 

Thank You Kyle....God Bless You All and Keep You Safe....Interesting Soon?

briesen and croes and croes' bagman brother listened to these two people make the same presentation before paying their way down there.  they were aware that klpd, a.l.e., and probably the f.b.i., at their request, had all ready investigated these claims and found them to be lies.  this episode is a direct attack on natalee and her family, plain and simple, no other reason is possible.  they are trying to make natalee's family give up on finding natalee.  it isn't going to work, and i daresay that the psycho psychics will pay dearly for their part in this travesty.  aruba couldn't possibly have paid them enough to compensate them for what they're going to receive in the next few years.
dennisintn

I just posted to you in the other thread. I was awed by the picture of the rainbow!

Thanks Kyle - you guys are doing an awesome job!

We're approaching a 200ft "incline" which is essentially a submarine cliff...trying not pull a Wyllie E. Coyote with the towfish.  You'de have to see what I'm seeing to really appreciate it.  If this topography were above land, it would be very scenic.   
Yes, interesting. Be patient, stay the course, and keep praying.  Let's not let our emotions or adjendas interfere with what we know to be true.

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Natalee loved the Wizard of Oz, and I often think of her as "Over The Rainbow". God's promise is broadcast across the heavens everytime that beautiful arched prism makes an appearance. He made the promise to Noah, as the first covenant between God and man. In Revelation 4, we are given a picture of God's throne, and the Bible teaches us that there is a rainbow around His throne. That rainbow is representative of all God's covenants with man and signifies the intimate relationship He has with us. He knows our desires and has chosen to care about each of us as His own child. The rainbow that could be seen by the persistence holds tremendous encouragement and promise for their sacrifice! They are not alone, and they are exhibiting His example of sacrificial love spent for others. Lord, please let them bring Natalee home and please let them feel your presence and guidance! Thank you for the crew and letting us learn of your nature through them!

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Amen CBB! Beautiful Thoughts for the Persistence!

I was lurking and reading and just wanted to thank Kyle for keeping us updated and sharing his thoughts and reflections on the search.  We are praying for you and the rest of the crew, each and every day.  You guys are awesome!  We appreciate all your efforts and giving of your time, ship and equipment to this endeavor.  Thanks!

Kyle's words are always calming and reassuring.  He always
leaves me with a little more hope than I had before his post.
I am thankful to have someone so encouraging on the search.
He's a good man.

Well, I have gone through lots of Myspaces tonight, and found Fleur and Stephanie.  http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131301032   Looks like some are moms now.  Go watch the pics, very interesting.

Did that Daniel say that the Prime Minister paid their way down there ?
I found the sound quality to be bad and I didn't quite understand where they got their  " facts " from.  Don't know why they were given air time at all and as much as I dislike Julia, I hope she takes them to the cleaners.

I'm not sure.  According to MF, they had to take out a loan to pay for this trip but I think the previouse 3 trips were paid for.

Update on Dengue Fever which is very widespread in the region.  Note some do NOT participate in reporting their cases to this international organization trying to track outbreaks.


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[4] Puerto Rico
Date: Thu 10 Jan 2008
Source: PR Inside [edited]
<http://www.pr-inside.com/puerto-rico-s-dengue-fever-outbreak-last-r381248.htm>


Puerto Rico saw 11 000 cases of dengue last year [2007], the fever's worst
outbreak in the US Caribbean territory in nearly a decade, a health
official said on Thursday [10 Jan 2008].

Dengue, which is spread by mosquitoes, killed 4 adults and 4 children in
Puerto Rico during 2007, state epidemiologist Enid Garcia said in releasing
the final tally for the year. The oldest victim was 80 and the youngest 5
months old. "It wasn't the worst we've had, but it was a serious epidemic,"
Garcia said in an interview with The Associated Press.

The 10 964 cases recorded for the year [2007] were the most in Puerto Rico
since a 1998 outbreak that caused 17 000 cases and 19 deaths, Garcia said.
A 1994 outbreak totaled 24 000 cases.

In one of the worst years for dengue in recent decades, Latin America and
the Caribbean counted nearly 800 000 reported cases and nearly 250 deaths
in 2007, according to the Pan American Health Organization. Final figures
were not yet available.
There is no vaccine for the tropical virus, which generally causes fever,
headaches and extreme joint and muscle pain, among other symptoms. Once
thought to have been nearly eliminated from Latin America, dengue has
gained strength in the region since the early 1980s in part because tourism
and migration are circulating 4 different strains, increasing the risk of
multiple exposure and making it more likely an infection will develop into
the severe hemorrhagic form of the virus.

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communicated by:
ProMED-mail <promed@promedmail.org>

[Puerto Rico can be located in the Caribbean on the ProMED-mail health map
cited above. - Mod.TY]

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[5] Venezuela (Zulia)
Date: Sun 13 Jan 2008
Source: La Verdad [in Spanish, translated & summarised Mod.TY, edited]
<http://www.laverdad.com/detallenew.asp?mostrar=10&idcat=9&idnot=67268>


During the 1st week of 2008, 650 dengue cases were recorded in the state of
Zulia, according to information provided by Nancy Perez, viceminister of
health. Of these, 239 cases were registered in Maracaibo, 108 in San
Francisco, 35 in Machiques and 241 in the rest of the municipalities. The
state [Zulia] leads in the national dengue case statistics. According to
the numbers from the National Health System, 2007 ended with 18 683 dengue
cases in the entire region.

National and regional health authorities met yesterday [12 Jan 2008] in the
Corito Medical Diagnostic Center to officially inaugurate the [dengue]
preventive, corrective and eradication campaign.

Adaly Abreu, coordinator of the Cristo de Aranza neighborhood Health and
Defense Committee, indicated that the campaign started in that neighborhood
because there were 16 dengue cases during the 1st week of January [2008],
the highest number of all the neighborhoods.

Just in this neighborhood, more than 15 000 families will benefit from the
National Plan for the Fight against Dengue in Zulia. The hope is to extend
the campaign to Manuel Dagnino, Francisco Eugenio Bustamante, Cecilio
Acosta, Chiquinquira and the rest of the state.

This project, presided over by the Mayor of Maracaibo, will pursue a
thorough environmental clean-up to hit and eradicate _Aedes aegypti_
mosquito breeding sites, the cause of the disease [virus transmission].

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communicated by:
ProMED-ESP <promed@promedmail.org>

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[6] Brazil (Rio de Janeiro)
Date: Sun 13 Jan 2008
Source: Folha Online [in Portuguese, translated & summarised Mod.TY, edited]
<http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u363007.shtml>


An adolescent died of suspected DHF Saturday [12 Jan 2008] in Duque de
Caxias, in the metropolitan region of Rio de Janeiro. He was admitted to
the municipal hospital on Friday [11 Jan 2008] but died. A blood sample was
sent to the Caju Hospital in Rio city, where the cause of death is being
investigated. The results will be available within a week.

The secretary of health of Duque de Caxias said that a team will be sent to
fight this possible dengue focus in the area where this adolescent lived
but that the area did not pose a risk [of dengue].

Last week [week of 6 Jan 2008], the municipality initiated an offensive
against dengue and examined nearly 3500 houses. On this occasion, the
prefecture collected [water-holding containers] and taught [the residents]
to eliminate the breeding sites of the vector mosquito.

Despite registering one of the lowest indices of dengue cases, Duque de
Caxias is neighbor to Mage municipality, a locality that presented a high
dengue [case] index last year [2007].

In the entire state of Rio de Janeiro in 2007, more than 60 000 dengue
cases were registered, a number 2 times greater than the year before, 2006.

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communicated by:
ProMED_PORT <promed@promedmail.org>

[The people's perceptions, as well as those of the press, are bizarre. A
few cases of sylvan [jungle/rural] yellow fever, which does not represent
practically any risk, raised a big commotion, while an increasing dengue
epidemic, with an increasing number of serious cases and deaths, causes
little impact. - Mod.LJS

An interactive ProMED health map of Brazil can be accessed at:
<http://healthmap.org/promed?v=-10.8,-53.1,4>. - Mod.TY]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3548/5/ (http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3548/5/)

A suicide.

Dama haya morto den flemmingstraat       
Sunday, 20 January 2008 

Diadomingo anochi den Flemmingstraat na playa Dr Lily Beke a constata morto di un señora cu ta traha den e mundo di enfermeria. Aparentemente e señora lo mester a comete suicidio, pero no sa di kiko ainda ja cu no a encontra nada banda di dje cu ta indica kiko e lo mester a tuma. E curpa a wordo tuma den beslag pa asina bay saca afor ta kiko por a pasa exactamente.

TOD y fiscal a presenta na e sitio pa asina hasi investigacioon riba e caso aki. Palabra di condolencia y forsa na e famianan.

Online Pap translator:

lady achieve dead in flemmingstraat
sunday, 20 january 2008

diadomingo night in flemmingstraat at beach dr lily beke owing to constata dead of one madam cu is work in the world of enfermeria. apparently the madam will have to owing to comete suicidio, but not know of what still ja cu not owing to encontra nothing near of dje cu is indica what the will have to did take. the curpa owing to wordo take in beslag for so bay saca afor is what can owing to happen exactly.

tod y fiscal owing to present at the sitio for so make investigacioon on the caso here. word of condolencia y compel at the famianan.

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http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3538/8/ (http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3538/8/)

Sorry; don't know what happened here, but "maltreatment" seems to be involved ...

Hoben a wordo malamente maltrata       
Sunday, 20 January 2008 

Diadomingo marduga a sosode un caso lamentabel unda cu desconocirnan den un auto blanco lo mester a yega na un cas y baha for di auto. E persona riba e imagen a wordo malamente agredi y a keda gravemente herida. Nos por compronde cu e persona aki ta un conocido di polis pero e no por a indica kendenan ta e personanan cu a comete e acto aki. Ambulance a transporta e persona pa ricibi tratamento.

Online Pap translation:

young owing to wordo malamente maltrata
sunday, 20 january 2008

diadomingo marduga owing to sosode one caso regrettable where cu desconocirnan in one car blanco will have to owing to arrive at one cas y descend for of car. the person on the imagen owing to wordo malamente agredi y owing to stay gravemente injury. we can compronde cu the person here is one conocido of police but the not can owing to indica kendenan is the personanan cu owing to comete the acto here. ambulance owing to transporta the person for ricibi tratamento.

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Klaas,
When you have a chance please check the post Elaine made regarding a link I posted in the "Ocean Search" thread.  If you think it would be best to remove the link, please do, I truly was unaware and intended no harm.  Thanks in advance.

Texasmom - thanks for letting me know.  I did remove the link.  I know you didn't realize that the person that hosts that site is very anti-Natalee and family.


GOODNIGHT ALL!

Thanks again Klaas, and goodnight! 

Klaasend:

Any news from BT?

Need her to communicate

Upcoming Travel Shows

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Boston - Feb. 22-24 2008 
Seaport World Trade Center

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions."

http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

* * *

New York - Feb 29-Mar 2 2008
Jacob K. Javits Convention Center

http://www.nyttravelshow.com/ (http://www.nyttravelshow.com/)

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SM kooolkatt provides Tshirts or sweatshirts for those who stand up for Natalee at these shows.

Tote bags with flyers enclosed, and banners, signs etc., also are provided.

We need people to help spead the word at these shows. Lacking your physical attendance, $$ donations are welcome to help with the flyers, signs, permit fees, etc. (I think help with gas money also is available.)

Folks in New England really do look forward to a respite from winter, and the Caribbean is a relatively quick destination for them. We need to make sure they know just what Aruba offers to unsuspecting tourists.

For information on how to help, contact SM Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com

Meant to mention that SM has a thread re. the travel shows -- it's called Tourism Trade Show Listing. This link is to the current page:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.240 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.240)

If you're considering participating, it would be good to read the whole thread - I think it's about 13 pages. Good tips, photos from previous shows, etc.

Guess that means no one is donating money for them to keep their wonderful website going, lmao. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning.

I notice that Dana's show tonight is about those two psychos.

You mean "Frick and Frack"? If they want Indian names, I suggest "Slick Frick" and "Crap Frack".

he-who-speaks-with-forked-tongue and she-who-was-scalped-by-hairdresser.

QUESTION:

IF NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S REMAINS ARE NOT FOUND BY THE PERSISTENCE AT SEA, WILL ARUBA GO ON A CAMPAIGN TO INSIST THAT SHE HAD RAN AWAY, SEEKING TO NEVER BE FOUND BY HER FAMILY?

Posted on FP by Margaret Wever:


I have remained professional throughout the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, since The News in the afternoon, and Diario the next morning published that she had been missing. What I write here is my personal opinion, not that of neither The News, nor the Associated Press, but I have had it with all these people who claim to know that Natalee Holloway is dead and have all kinds of stories, accusing many people in their poorly defined, unsupported and unproven conspiracy theories. Natalee’s disappearance is indeed a mystery and until someone shows up with real proof, people should be careful with who they publicly point fingers at, especially Beth. Maybe people have seen her laugh or have a drink or trying to enjoy dinner, but have you also seen the extreme and fast weight loss and when she broke down after a few days and when she would not talk to anyone because she simply was exhausted and too tired and grieving? There are more sides to a story and I know that justice – whenever it does and whatever comes out of this, will prevail!
And please DAN and KELLY (I was hoping to have an “interview” with you, but alas you cancelled wtih Canal 90): IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN PEOPLE HAVING LIVING SOULS… HOW CAN YOU BE SO EXCEPTIONALLY CRUEL AND SELFISH AS TO NOT SAY WHERE NATALEE’S BODY IS OR REMAINS ARE TO GIVE HER LOVED ONES, THOSE WHO LOVE HER AND THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO LOVE HER, THE CHANCE TO GIVE HER A DIGNIFIED FUNERAL AND A DECENT, WORTHY GRAVE AND HELP HER SOUL ON ITS WAY TO PEACE!!!
“I have said what I had to say, and this is hopefully the first and last time I will voice my personal opinion.

Is the Pope Catholic? They'll look for any threads to spin.

Great post, Justice For Natalee! I agree 100%!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 :smt045 UGH!

Good morning monkeys...sorry to barge in, but after a long search I am still looking for info that I know has been discussed recently.  What date was attributed to Pitbull's death?  I am sorry to be asking something I should already know. TIA

The article was in the April 6, 2006 edition of the AM digital and it starts with:

Early yesterday morning a maintenance
crew of Arikok National Park noticed
something burning in the popular
Quadirikiri Cave. Being under the
impression that it was the remains of some
animal they did not pay too much attention
to the fact and continued their activities.

So I would assume the date was April 5th.

Lalas,

Here is an Amigoe article about Pitbull, and San is correct. The article states April 5 as the date his body was discovered.

Amigoe article:

ARUBA — Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan had died of overdoses cocaine.  At this moment, the Public Prosecutor (OM) does not have evidence that the 25-year old man that was found dead in the vicinity of the Guadirikiri cave on April 5th was murdered.  Four suspects have been arrested and the examining magistrate has prolonged the custody of one of them with 8 days.   

On Tuesday, Pitbull’s widow and her mother had talked with the district attorney, who leads the investigation on the death of Djoegan.  The OM does not comment on the contents of this conversation.  All they said was that in order to determine the cause of death, they had to send tests to the Netherlands.  The family was informed that Pitbull was not murdered, but had an amount of cocaine in his body.  There is a possibility that he was forced to take the drug. (note: if forced to take drug, that would be called murder.) The OM is also investigating the relation between the cause of death and the fact that Djoegan was found burned and crucified. (note: being burned & crucified played no part in his death.)   

Last weekend, the police arrested two men and two women in connection with this case.  One of them, M.L. was taken before the examining magistrate on Tuesday afternoon.  He was already in prison for illegal possession of firearms and cocaine balls. 

Around first-to mid April.

http://www.pitbullaruba.com/Forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=b9de7aa2bf5adceb254c7b0982e13d45&board=3.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg330488#msg330488
DJOEGAN, Dinesh ‘Pitbull’   - 25 year old bouncer from Choose a Name Bar that was found on 4-5-06 in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Reportedly he died of an overdose of cocaine.  It is believed that Pitbull is the brother-in-law of Dompig through Dompig’s first wife.

Thanks San.

According to Amigoe, "found April 5..."

WOW!  Thanks to all of you.  I can always count on the monkeys to know the answers.  You guys are good.

I wonder if autopsy records are available for Aruba? Does Aruba even do autopsies? 

Darn, Dompig is related to Boeti, Pitbull, K2 and his son claims Jewish religion.  Is he just a man of multiple families and ethnicite, religions, etc? or a fallguy?

Pretty soon we will hear that the Sloots are related to Dompig.

IMBREDS>>>> their all imbreds down there

the burning of animals in caves in arikok national park doesn't draw much attention and interest?  what a very strange place, the "happy island".
dennisintn

LOL!
Hey Sue, wanna trade out the sled for the Valentine Express?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/vse.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/vse.gif

Wow!! they are chewing up renho and spitting her out!! lol Cracks me up!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Tell me more, please. 

From Mementomori Funeral Home:

With deep sympathy we announce the death of:

Dinesh Djoegan
29 May 1980 - 05 Apr 2006

Funeral took place: 10 Apr 2006, Savaneta, ARUBA

http://www.mementomori.net/06079.html

oops!! lol sorry, stepped out a monute...I'll wade through the muck and bring back some good stuff!! lol....

iquitos Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:38 am   
julia, you have to step forward

you were playing both sides. you knew she was alive


did you have proof of life? part 4, the confrontation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HI8LPLUf1g&feature=related

julia certainly knew there was a possibility she was alive. did she know for sure?   



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iquitos Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:39 am   
IOW

this is as much about JULIA'S credibility as it is Daniel's. unfortunately.   



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gwen Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:40 am   
Re: IOW

iquitos wrote:
this is as much about JULIA'S credibility as it is Daniel's. unfortunately.


Exactly!   AKA Gagal_05



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candycanelove Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:21 am   
Re: IOW

Myra Manes wrote:


 Could Julia have been caught in a lie? 


After hearing these two stories I think Julia is knee deep in all of this and I really have to wonder what a reporter has to gain from her involvement in a missing girl story. 

This is my favorite...lol :

Myra Manes Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:09 am   
Re: IOW

candycanelove wrote:


After hearing these two stories I think Julia is knee deep in all of this and I really have to wonder what a reporter has to gain from her involvement in a missing girl story.


First mistake: Calling Julia a reporter at a newspaper.   

Myra Manes Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:33 am   

It's simple. Julia is FOS now and always has been. 

Bring it on over, Idstlou! I wouldn't miss that for anything!

The whole place is an outdoor toilet.

there's another good one where they refute a post she made but I need Klaas to capture the whole thing or it probably won't make sense.

they are just attcking each other like crazy!! It's a hoot!!! Slipping too about who is "working" for the forum..imho!!!

I see nothing pretty about Aruba.  So many other places to visit.  It's like when you do spell check on a document you just hit the skip button and you go to the next word.  This is what people are doing with Aruba they are saying skip when they see that island offered as a travel destination.

there was a post yesturday I read, don't have alot of time to find it...have to head out soon, I'll find it later for you all...but it made mention that there were people in Aruba looking to "get even" as in...the sloots...and before they did they wanted to see if there was truth to the new story. Can't remember exactly what it said but it lead me to believe there were people on the Island looking to do their own kind of justice!!!
And they were worried about American vigilantes???!!! I'd say it looks like the Arubans may do it on their own!!!

Is Klaas gambling today? ::MonkeyDance::

old renho may be looking for a new home soon!!! lol

Re: julia needs to put on her journalist hat

iquitos wrote:
get out her notes, and lay it all out from start to finish. she can't have it both ways. wither she is an insider and can't tell or she is a journalist and has a professional obligation to tell. she is in an ethical dilemma. but she is posting here so why not just publish?


I've never understod the posting here and other boards. Also, the spin she has put on so many issues that were being discussed here and why it has been allowed to go on as long as it has.

She's playing with the indians!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hope those makes sense, I can't capture them the way Klaas does.

are you serious? Klaas went out for a day of fun??!! Good for her!! though I miss her already!!! lol

What I don't understand about this whole thing...where does the money trail lead?  Who are they conning?   :2rofl:

I wonder who the Renfro family is related to?  Anyone ever find out?

She is related to the Renho family  ::MonkeyHaHa::

brieson/croes brought them to the island, they're saying jvds is innocent of anything, and i don't have a clue why julia's being attacked now because they were cooperating with her last year when they were on the island.  and maybe they thought somebody else would pay them to leave.  obviously they haven't helped aruba or jvds' causes with their statements.
dennisintn

A few months ago I was going through some census records from the 1800s
in Desha and Drew counties Arkansas and I found a Reynolds, next door was
a Renfro and the next house had a Holloway.  I swear that is true.  It made
me giggle.

What is the value of an English language newspaper in Aruba if most of the tourists speak Spanish?  Does Aruba already have a Spanish language paper for tourists?

With JVDS off the proverbial 'hook' in Aruba, why doesn't this whole case just go away in Aruba?

I believe that the Dutch and Arubans have spent a lot of money on this case (example, the 'viewing' of the Kalpoe home and test taken there), but was there ever an outside audit of expenses?

Who decided what expenses are charged to the van der Sloot affair on Aruba?

What charges were for searching the water around Aruba in June, 2005? 

For someone to have just floated away from the beach after drowning, did anyone do a serious search of the water?

I think the sole purpose of Brieson and Croes in bringing those two nuts to the island
was to slander Natalee's family...a smear campaign so to speak.  It was a warning
to Beth/Dave/Jug to back down and let it lie or we will tell more outlandish lies.
My question is why would Julia Renho get herself all wrapped up in the middle of
this story from the start?  I always thought that she saw a story in the making
then turned on Beth when Greta arrived and Beth turned to Greta.  But her agenda
was in place from the very beginning.  She was obviously lying from the get go.
Now I think that Aruba has decided to throw her to the wolves.

I still say he has a lot of features like the dude in the car with Steve Croes and the man arrested with lorenzo on the drug bust.  Enough to be close kin, anyway.

To your question, "who are they conning?"  They are conning themselves into believing anything they say has any validity.

To your response about Spanish tourists, when did their tourists become mostly Spanish-speaking?  Or did I miss something.  I thought 80% of their tourism were English-speaking Americans.  Have I lived through the change the USA to Spanish and did not know it?

Off my SOAPBOX.

There are a bunch of Renfro's in the North Carolina Area who ran the factories and had hundreds of employees, always underpaid and who carried this on for generations.  Still some of their mills in North Carolina, Piedmont area.  Wonder if they sent their little Renho there years ago to leech off the island with her forked tongue.       j/b

KARMAROUNDUP and WHISKEYGIRL:

You have Valentine avis in the lounge! The link's in my signature line!  ::MonkeyCool::

Why didn't someone in Aruba put a stop to all those rumors?

How about something like -

There is no evidence that Natalee was with a blue-eyed Dutch boy.

There is no evidence that Natalee had breakfast/brunch with a ministers son.

There is no evidence that Natalee was left at the beach.

There is no evidence (fill in the blank).

What is the difference between a suspect/witness story and the rumors and speculation of others?  Who decides who is  witness, and who is suspect?  Or, former suspect?  Person of interest?

Why would anyone want to point the finger at Julia?


"No tree has branches so foolish as to fight among them selves." - The Ojibway Tribe

Thanks.  The Valentine avi is beautiful.

Why not let the rumors run wild...look where it has gotten them?  No body....no case.  That is the only thing that matters....it worked to perfection....so far.

yes, there certainly is that, isn't there?  and much more to come, so we need to increase the pressure to hurry things along.
dennisintn

I'm sure there is much that isn't known by the public, including myself.

Did anyone take the woman reporting 4 sweaty boys with shovels seriously?  Did they follow-up in a timely manner?

Did anyone take the fishermen witnesses seriously?  Why didn't the fishermen come forward on Tuesday with their story?  Why did they wait so long?

Did anyone take the security guards seriously when they said they were innocent?  (I know Beth did believe them)  Why did the finger ever point in their direction?

I still have to wonder what the VBS nightly schedule looked like when Natalee went missing.  Who was on the job?

That is sooooo beautiful!
Thank you so much CBB.That was mighty nice of you sweety.
 ::MonkeyWink::

There were many opportunities since June of 2005 to sort out the rumors and lies and speculation.

Why wait until now? 

What possible use would the new mediums information be now that the investigation is closed?

Does it perhaps keep Aruba in the news?

Did ALE/NFI/Dutch take the National Enquirer, National Examiner, and Globe reporting into consideration when the investigation was on-going?

What makes these two people worthy of consideration?

Why not investigate where the investigation was headed in the first days after Natalee went missing?  Who was calling the shots? 

Who was directing where ALE could search?  Deciding which witness testimony was credible?  Deciding who should be taken into custody for questioning?

Just the basics, please.

Basic version:As far as I can tell it was Karin Janssen leading the investigation,directing the ALE where and whom to search so I guess you could blame it all on her....at least in the initial stages of the so called investigation.
More complicated version:
ALL of the so called non biased judges that came to aruba.
ALL of the so called non biased LE investigators and interrogators.
ALL of those involved with tourism on aruba because it was them that decided long ago that tourism monies and what it covered up was more important than one little 18 yo American tourist.

I agree Dayhiker.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

They have been looking forever for a US media to take up their cause.  It burns their butt that nobody will take up the Gielen and Ministers slanderous message.  These two showed copies of their letters to Greta, etc and they figured jackpot.  Renho would have been content to go with the plan except the plan was twisted on her (which the others thought would make it easier to sell, in the US....because they read and know we would be happy with trashing her).  Well the cheerleaders wre really upset when the whole message was lost because Renho threw a fit.  Kinda reminds me of the Sloot message being lost when Joran threw the wine.  Two strikes....they're almost out....what will be strike three??

I am guessing that the tourism/government pays by the post turned in.  Someone shoud show them how to read the real online info...I hear Boeti is now computer literate and giving interviews....perhaps they could pay him a little extra.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

heck, the way briesen and croes are performing these days, boeti could replace both of them and do at least as good a job as they're doing.  give the man a little credit here.
dennisintn

You're right dennison.  Boeti does seem to communicate with the American tourists more than the other two.

dennisintn sorry for the spelling.

lol, no problem, you ought to see some of the things i get called.
dennisintn

roflmao

For Rosie at RU.  Please calm down.  All is not lost. We investigated for you.

Posted early this am on your site:

CancunMole  Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:42 am
DiamondDot wrote:


I disagree.

We now have a document that completely blows Beth out of the water. What the hell was she doing for almost 4 hours, before Jug arrived?

Couldn't find a police station in all that time?

CancunMole:

Document? I can buy that there may be a system that may be able to... account for the time that one's passport is SWIPED as theY enter ARuba BUT, other than the STUff that could be sucked off one's PaSSaPORtE.. ALL the rest, VAcation, E-Mail, Where staying, yadA, Yada, comes from a hand written form THAT would HAVE to be INPUT bu someone. ERGO, if some must be INput, then it is Possible that OTHER info may 2 be ADJUSted by MAnuel....... Another piece of POSSIBLE altered BS...

And from Gabe Leo posted at SM FP January 19, 2008:

....I can say though that their story about Twitty arriving in the morning and not in the night is not true, because I personally know those who were with Twitty and company when they arrived that night.

 :idea: :idea: :2doh:

One last question:

Do you think that the same Aruban PR Media Team, that posted the "forensic scientist" Wiki link, for the Van der Sloot bug remover, is responsible for the stellar idea of backing the return of the Guiding Lights???

Somebody has more money than brains.   ::MonkeyConfused::

You are going to LOL, when you read the tag line for which they won an award.

http://pop-pr.blogspot.com/2005/06/handling-pr-for-aruba.html

I see Aruba had another suicide today,I don't know the statistics but the numbers must be off the charts compared to countries/cities its size. Aruba must have over taken Japan as the suicide capitol of the world by now. I know the 3-4 suicides I looked into were very suspicious especially the Reporter and Cameraman who hung themselves 2 weeks a part  ::MonkeyConfused::

Has Ms. Marples been apprised for the capital crimes thread?  ::MonkeyWaa::

OT, however, amazing how these cases are so similar.

From the Front Page ... 19 Year old Coed Brianna Denison Missing in Reno, NV … Police Looking for Man who Drove Her to Friend’s House

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/19-year-old-coed-brianna-denison-missing-in-reno-nv-police-looking-for-man-who-drove-her-to-friends-house/

Doesn’t the following sound familiar? Police are looking for a man who drove Brianna Denison home Sunday night from the Sands Regency Hotel Casino. The man dropped Brianna Denison off at the house where she was staying after she failed to get a taxi cab.

Authorities have announced that they wanted to talk to an unnamed man in his 40s who may have information in Brianna Denison’s whereabouts. The man dropped Denison off at the house where she was staying after she failed to get a taxi cab.

Cops are looking for a tan-colored, later-model GMC or Chevy Suburban and a white male, about 45 years old, who might be of Latin descent.

Let me get this straight, and then I will bury it, never to be heard from again, hopefully, but these two whatchamcallit spirits who had been hired to communicate with the dead and advise regards Natalee, do they use a devining rod or go into trances or just read all they can on wiccan sites and then lay out a plan to con the person who contracted them, or just what is they claim they can do, rain dances, seances, etc.

I also notice Dirty Handz posted a comment anti-Aruba....mmmmmmmm  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes,She posted it this morning from 24ora.com

I wonder what there involvement is, or the scope of their work? They handle the tourism pr for the ???????offical tourism, I am drawing a blank.

Obviously the reason for Tito Lacle's visits to NYC.  They also probably paid for the VDS to go there and stay during the time of JVDS and PVDS being given subpoenas.

Aruba Tourism Authority is one of their clients:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/QuinnCo.jpg)

www.quinnandco.com

Carla Reynolds is on the staff of Quinn and Co.

I take that back,Aruba may not have the highest percentage of suicides in the world but may be the most suspicious. I notice none of the ABC Islands are registered with the World Health Organization. The last american murdered in Aruba was 12 years ago,the rest have committed suicide or vanished without a trace,just the way the Aruban Govt wants it.


I think Eastern Europe has something in commen with Aruba. Fortunately Americans don't travel much to Eastern Block countries in Europe and those countries don't depend solely on American Tourism like Aruba does.

Also, due to the highly corrupt police forces in Eastern Europe,many murders are written off as suicides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

While Quin is the agency, I believe that Carla may have been "removed" as the partner in charge due to a conflict. I don't think it was due to anything negative, just the appearance of a conflict.

Then there is Steve Cohen. Is he related to Ike Cohen of Aruba?

Who would want the credit for being Aruba's Public Relations Agency?

Their backgrounds did not seem similar and at one time we looked through all of Ike's birthday pics and didn't spot Steve....but, who knows.

Sorry to jump in. I was just catching up on the FrontPage and found this post

42.Melissa on January 19th, 2008 4:13 pm

Nothing could surprise me that came out of or happened in Aruba. My good dear friend Wayne Benson always said he never experienced a place where gossip and hearsay are believed and circulated as the truth.
I need to get more information but I had friends who were on a Holland America cruise a couple of weeks ago and after stopping in Aruba - norovirus and they were confined to their cabins for five days.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/19/aruba-sinks-to-new-low-think-this-isnt-slander-and-libel-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-claim-natalee-holloway-abused-by-stepfather-jug-twitty/#comments

From Our M&C thread
11/16/2005 - Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.) Diario
Posted 8/10/2006 at M&C by Anna; credit to SunFreak2

I wonder if Melissa comes here b/c of her friend's death.

I don't know if there is any relation.  I know Ike passed away on 9/23/2007.

I think there is a difference on PR for tourism and then PR to make Aruba's government and officials look good. Julia has been handling Rudy's, the police, the prosecutor, and the judges, plus she is a hired handler for Joran::)))))))

A lot of people refer to him as the father of the Arubian Hotel Industry or some similiar honor. There is also a Posnor family who is influential there. I don't think they are related to the gambler

But they all have a connection.    ::MonkeyWink::

Must be hard for Renfro to remember all the stories she's told  ::MonkeyWink::



.


Actually, I thought Beth said that there wasn't a blue eyed dutch boy.  Also Beth says she didn't speak to Natalee while she was in Aruba.  Let's see, who should I believe.......Julia Renfro or Beth?   ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, Louis and Israel Posner, owners of Aruba Aloe.  No relation to Michael Posner that I know of.

It is strange that Julia is a part of this story. Was she a close friend of Anita's, Paulus, or Joran?

Told you guys Gabe wrote for Shango...oops!  Wrong thread.

Renfro is friends with the Sloots.  I'm not sure how good of friends or for how long, but I know they are friends now according to her.  Of course, Renfro lies all the time so that could be a lie too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I haven't found a connection either with Michael Posner the Mobster and the Aruban Posners. He may have changed to that name to blend in,as I believe he changed his name from Irv Goldstein. He may even go by Walter Posner,but I am not sure. I think there is a Minster of Health named Israel Posner and Oiky Posner is the father of the two above,who I believe made his money in the liquor business.

Only when she speaks:)

The blue-eyed Dutch boy comes from a conversation Beth had with a hotel employee when she arrived on the island...Beth clears that up in her book.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Okay, I know when I am not wanted. LOL  I took a bath.

Because of Michael Posner's status as a former felon, he was unable to buy property such as this in his name and it was placed under family names.  It's called "beating the system." 

Yup,I'M sure he had help beating the system from people like Rudy Croes and possibly Paul Van Der Sloot. Last week in one of the Aruban papers I saw paperwork on a new casino in Aruba..Only one signature from the Aruban Govt and that was Rudy Croes. I bet Posner and his "Group" in Chicago payed the big bucks in kickbacks to be able to operate two hotels and a casino in Aruba.

I guess I just don't want to consider all of these other theories::)) Joran said she was with him, something bad happened, and she is buried by the fishermans hut. Paulus advising no body no case, means he knows his son and the others were involved with the death of Natalee. The boys words during a candid conversation that was recorded gives this credibility. Joran's Mom saw Natalee's panties. Paulus was expelled as a judge in training. Joran has anger problems which made him being a prisoner in jail seem normal to the warden, an old family friend. We saw him throw the wine. The boys lied. The boys framed 2 innocent people.

I am absolutely positive they did it, or they are sooooooooooo stupid they deserve to be framed. Everything else is irrelevant and smoke screens, I THINK::::)))))))

The move by the 2 nuts from California Dud and Sluts Wannabe Indians is the oldest con move in the world. They sought out Paulus and Anita, learned their habits, and stationed themselves to where they would run into them. They then approached and hooked them when they showed them sympathy, told them they knew they were victims, and said the words Anita and Paulus were craving to hear, I know Joran didn't do it. Scam accomplished.

This is interesting..lol!

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=1000576387

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is a Margaret Wever who is a stringer for Associated Press. (Not sure if the spelling of "Wever" is the same.) I've seen her byline many times on AP stories.

That's who I thought of when I read that post...who knows?

Upcoming Travel Shows

* * *
Boston - Feb. 22-24 2008 
Seaport World Trade Center

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions."

http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/ (http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/)

* * *

New York - Feb 29-Mar 2 2008
Jacob K. Javits Convention Center

http://www.nyttravelshow.com/ (http://www.nyttravelshow.com/)

* * *

SM kooolkatt provides Tshirts or sweatshirts for those who stand up for Natalee at these shows.

Tote bags with flyers enclosed, and banners, signs etc., also are provided.

We need people to help spead the word at these shows. Lacking your physical attendance, $$ donations are welcome to help with the flyers, signs, permit fees, etc. (I think help with gas money also is available.)

Folks in New England really do look forward to a respite from winter, and the Caribbean is a relatively quick destination for them. We need to make sure they know just what Aruba offers to unsuspecting tourists.

For information on how to help, contact SM Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com


SM has a thread re. the travel shows -- it's called Tourism Trade Show Listing. This link is to the current page:
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.240 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.240)
 
If you're considering participating, it would be good to read the whole thread - I think it's about 13 pages. Good tips, photos from previous shows, etc.

FWIW - I really can't tell you which Margaret Wever it is

Oh, I know - wouldn't expect you to, anyway.

"The News" she mentioned in that post might be The Birmingham News.

Just thought it was interesting. That name "Wever" keeps on coming.

I believe that Margaret Wever writes for the Birmingham News.  Her reports
on the Natalee Holloway case have been frequently picked up by AP.

Picture of Lorenzo we have not seen before.

6-23-07 Solo Di Pueblo Newspaper
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=142

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4181/lorenzoqp8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Looks even more like a Sloot there.  Let me compare  ::MonkeyWink::

Don't know if this is a true  comparison, because  of the years involved, but
I just read that Aruba is about the size  in population as Washington D.C., but don't  remember where! 

TABLE 1. Number and rate * of suicides +, by region and state -- United States,
1990-1994
==================================================================================
Region/State             No. deaths   Crude rate   Adjusted rate&     (95% CI@)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Northeast
Connecticut                   1,553          9.5              8.3   ( 7.9- 8.7)
Maine                           838         13.6             11.3   (10.5-12.1)
Massachusetts                 2,530          8.4              7.7   ( 7.4- 8.0)
New Hampshire                   697         12.5             NC**            NC
New Jersey                    2,729          7.0              6.8   ( 6.5- 7.1)
New York                      7,551          8.4              7.6   ( 7.4- 7.8)
Pennsylvania                  6,976         11.6             11.0   (10.7-11.3)
Rhode Island                    454          9.1              8.9   ( 8.1- 9.7)
Vermont                         406         14.2             11.4   (10.3-12.5)
Total                        23,734          9.3              8.6   ( 8.5- 8.7)

Midwest
Illinois                      5,717          9.9              9.8   ( 9.5-10.1)
Indiana                       3,575         12.7             12.0   (11.6-12.4)
Iowa                          1,598         11.4             10.8   (10.3-11.3)
Kansas                        1,546         12.3             11.4   (10.8-12.0)
Michigan                      5,403         11.5             11.0   (10.7-11.3)
Minnesota                     2,562         11.5             11.1   (10.7-11.5)
Missouri                      3,448         13.3             12.6   (12.2-13.0)
Nebraska                        958         12.0             11.4   (10.7-12.1)
North Dakota                    371         11.7             10.2   ( 9.1-11.3)
Ohio                          5,875         10.7             10.1   ( 9.8-10.4)
South Dakota                    479         13.5             12.2   (11.1-13.3)
Wisconsin                     2,960         11.9             11.3   (10.9-11.7)
Total                        34,492         11.4             10.9   (10.8-11.0)

South
Alabama                       2,659         12.9             13.0   (12.5-13.5)
Arkansas                      1,550         12.9             12.3   (11.7-12.9)
Delaware                        421         12.2             11.7   (10.6-12.8)
District of Columbia            177          6.0              6.7   ( 5.7- 7.7)
Florida                      10,413         15.4             14.3   (14.0-14.6)
Georgia                       4,275         12.6             13.2   (12.8-13.6)
Kentucky                      2,572         13.7             12.5   (12.0-13.0)
Louisiana                     2,727         12.8               NC            NC
Maryland                      2,433          9.9              9.9   ( 9.5-10.3)
Mississippi                   1,589         12.1             13.4   (12.7-14.1)
North Carolina                4,319         12.6             12.4   (12.0-12.8)
Oklahoma                      2,248         14.0               NC            NC
South Carolina                2,278         12.7             13.4   (12.8-14.0)
Tennessee                     3,298         13.1             12.5   (12.1-12.9)
Texas                        11,316         12.8             14.2   (13.9-14.5)
Virginia                      4,008         12.6             12.3   (11.9-12.7)
West Virginia                 1,226         13.6             12.3   (11.6-13.0)
Total                        57,509         13.1             13.1   (13.0-13.2)

West
Alaska                          451         15.5             11.6   (10.5-12.7)
Arizona                       3,495         18.1             18.0   (17.4-18.6)
California                   18,734         12.2             13.8   (13.6-14.0)
Colorado                      2,936         16.9             16.3   (15.7-16.9)
Hawaii                          619         10.8             11.3   (10.4-12.2)
Idaho                           915         17.1             16.6   (15.5-17.7)
Montana                         794         19.2             18.6   (17.3-19.9)
Nevada                        1,606         24.1             22.2   (21.1-23.3)
New Mexico                    1,459         18.4             18.5   (17.5-19.5)
Oregon                        2,367         15.9             14.8   (14.2-15.4)
Utah                          1,357         15.0             15.7   (14.9-16.5)
Washington                    3,512         13.7             12.7   (12.3-13.1)
Wyoming                         464         20.0             19.8   (18.0-21.6)
Total                        38,709         14.1             14.7   (14.6-14.8)
Total                       154,444         12.0             11.8   (11.7-11.9)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*  Per 100,000 population.
+  International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, codes E950-E959.
&  Adjusted to the age, sex, and race/Hispanic ethnicity of the 1980 U.S.
   population.
@  Confidence interval.
** Not calculated because of incomplete reporting.
================================================================================



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/00049117.htm

I think there may be a better Joran photo to compare with but I'm too tired to look right now.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranLorenzoComp4.jpg)

Sirensong: I think I read that 1.3% of deaths in America are by suicide. I wonder what it is on One Happy Island? Seems to be one of the few places in the world where they have more suicides than murders.

Klaas:That is the first picture I have seen where I think LVR resembles PVDS. I didn't really see it before except for the hairline.

Here's a familiar face involved in the pot bust's with LVR that wasnt shown in the other newspapers.

Edwin "Papito" Commencia
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=138
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1760/commenciasz5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Joran and Lorenzo definately look like brothers to me.

I see a lot of Anita in Joran..But that picture of Lorenzo definetly looks like PVDS.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/LorenzoPaulCompare.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/AboutGlenda.jpg)

Klaasend:

Have you read the whole Origninal not Fake Simian post. It states clearly where the body was dumped.

Question why iy was not search the area?

Tell us what it says, please. CapLockWizard

Take a look at this picture of Paulus http://tinyurl.com/2v2akz compared to Lorenzo.

Sorry I don't know how to bring it over.

Yes, I've read them but it's been a while.  Did Simian say Moko or Canashito?  I've forgotten.  The Moko near Joran's house was searched.  Not sure about the Canashito area to be honest.  There were some areas that TES wanted to search but couldn't either because ALE wouldn't let them or it was too muddy like quicksand or it was private property.

The quality of that photo is pretty bad but you are right, better comparison:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/LorenzoPaulCompare2.jpg)

Remember PVDS is 25 years older than lorenzo. Imagine if we were comparing Joran to PVDS,without us knowing for sure they were father and son.

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7923/lorenzopvdspl3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Thank you Klass for bringing that pic over. I know you're tired. ;)

The quality is bad, but look at the mouth and chin area. Wow!

self edited ;)

That is what stood out for me on this picture as well.

deep-set eyes, jaw, cheek, hairline...  It's uncanny

CaplocksWiz,Is it anywhere near "Haystack?"

I totally agree! The eyes aren't the same but they seem similar..Deep set is a good way of putting it. I think PVDS eyes are spaced out a bit more or something judging from his older pics. He must of been what 33 yrs old when he had Joran? If he did father lorenzo then he would of been about 24 or 25 yrs old?

Good find on the picture *******.
Most likely the rumors are true. Why else would there be so many rumors.

Nite! Must hit the hay.

Hi Klaas

I missed you when I was lurking off and on today.  I hope all is well and ... you had a nice day.

I just got home from a movie and dessert with a friend.  We saw The Kite Flyer.  It was one of the best movies I have seen in a long time.  I do believe I will take my daughter this coming weekend.  I would not mind seeing it again.

Well .. I am about to hit the sack.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
10:30 PM

papi the butterfly.....hmmmm  Merian Ernest....

Klaas, you have mail...need info. Thanks.

Funny you post this, I just confirmed my stay for Boston tonight!

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.


Is this what you are referring to? 

Well it says clearley the montana pond.

182.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.
Posted Jun 22, 5:55 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
Posted Jun 22, 5:41 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

184.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.
Posted Jun 22, 5:29 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

185.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.
Posted Jun 22, 5:26 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

if you read it well, the first boy is a casino worker and his alibi is that he was working that day, but tried to off himself.
(he tried to fet the rest of the night off) maybe he went out but never punch out and them come back to work and went to the punch clock and punch then after all has happend out. 

The person that he talks about is a casino worker that went out with Natalee a week before.

also there is a some peace of the riddle missing. from 168 it jumps to 180.

Also this Smian is stating the Montana Apartment where they meet to discuss a plan , this Aprtment complex is in my report.  Not the ....house

Capslock - TES did search the moko/pond near the Sloot house and if I'm not mistaken the dogs did get a hit but for some reason they had to leave.  Could be they were diverted elsewhere?

183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Sounds like Lorenzo and a party at his house MOO

Klaas! If you're still here, did you win while playing with the Indians????

Nope didn't win, left another deposit.  I hear it's better to give than receive   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nite!

Nite, Klaas! As long as you had a good time, you didn't loose!  ::MonkeyCool::

Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house)

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return.

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat).

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water.

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

Good Morning....bliss...two threads to tango in....

Spooky...please don't turn out the lights....

Caps....TES had to quit searching Moko because it was filled with old appliances and junk. I believe that it became to dangerous for them to go any further, IIRC.

Well now it all make sense,

I will let you know more on this case....Hammer and blocks = dopes,

This is a two case events going on at the same time, The first case is the drugs going to or comming from holland  while the feds are in Aruba and the other is the girl NH gone missing at the same time while the feds are in Aruba.

some how the cases intertwine into each other. at this casablanca.

I am rewritting my findings....this is a big clogg and dagger

Caps...some believe that there was in fact another investigation going on at the time. We have wondered about the fact that something was caught on tape of that night. The FOP agreement that the US has with Aruba states that anything they found could only be used in the arrests of suspects in drug cases. So if anything was seen or heard in Natalee's case it could not be used against anyone.

Maybe he is challenged by the whole A.M. and P.M. thing? 

Found these when the Caribbean Mercantile Bank was discussed....one way to keep up on things....I guess if they explain fully the law and how people are getting around, it would make it easier to avoid being caught.

http://www.moneylaunderingconference.com/2007/testimonials.aspx

And this one....

http://offshoremillionaire.com/refer/291

This was apparently Deepak talking to Mickey John…thought I would repost after the posts on the weekend saying that Natalee was held.

quote
Nancy grace 6/14/2005
MICKEY JOHN, FORMER ARUBA SUSPECT: He told me that the story about dropping the girl off at the Holiday Inn was all made up.

QUESTION: Why? Why would they make it up?

MICKEY JOHN: Because he told me, apparently, that no one -- somebody`s missing, like a young tourist person missing. They find him, like, a few days after at some crack house or with some beach bum. So they thought they would find her three days after. When push come to shove and they couldn`t get her, they decided to target-shoot. He told (ph) his brother (INAUDIBLE) target-shoot.

I agree with *******. That pix of Lorenzo looks more like PvdS than any I have seen before.

Good news on one front, Feds cut interest rate 0.75%

 This was posted by MF at RU in Dutch:

Babel Fish Translation   

In English:
Characteristic: 073/2008 Very dear Ms, As a result of several recent press publication in relation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, itself accustomed Ms Julia Renfro, has present to me you, however, confessed. On the basis of very exhaustive police force research I can communicate you that Ms Renfro has been never commented as a verdachte in this research and until now reason also absolutely no has been that to do, on the contrary. Police force and judicial authorities, after exhaustive research, has not proven to be of only involvement of Ms Renfro, anyhow, at the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Every suggestion in another direction does not rely on facts. It seemed me correctly you communicate this. I should indicate with respect to, however, on fact-based conclusions of Public Prosecution Service on the text of my press conference as given on 20 December 2008. Yours sincerely, Mr. H. F. mos chief public prosecutor
 

Peaches thank you. I'm howling here! You are so funny.

Maybe if he focuses on which big shinny thing is the sun and which one is the moon he can take on the AM/PM thing. Then he can work on the defence between the 2 psychics being from US and aruba promoting/believing/buying their crap!

Update: Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs
The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago. Although the new crew brings new energy, losing the battle-proven seasoned crew is bittersweet. Words fail to describe the level of trust and bond between the crew. Despite being in close quarters together since 15-Dec, missing holidays with loved ones, birthdays, anniversaries, rough seas, and many intense situations, NEVER was there a moment of bad tension between any of the crew. I trust the new crew will quickly bond and become seasoned to the terrain and conditions- both above and below the waves.
Happy Birthday sis - You're loved and missed.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

From Beth's book...Loving Natalee:
"It's around eleven o'clock on Memorial Monday night when the island comes into full view........It looks and feels like we're approaching Atlanta at night..."

Hmmmm interesting post Caps. As you post the questions in your interpretation of  events the night Natalee disappeared I think it is likely you well know the answers to at least one of the questions.

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.

Answer:Guido Wever  
          Ah but you already knew this...........

Klaas...question in Shango thread...please.  Glad you had a good time yesterday...broke but happy....that's always a fun feeling.  ( I have lost my rolling eye smiley again...so....)

Hi BB! So Guido was the 5th suspect.  Wow!  He hosted a party and had an alibi. He met Natalee two days before in the casino and struck up a relationship with her and even became her boyfriend.  Now, that is a novel idea...it wasn't Joran or the Kalpoes...it was Guido.  Sorry, I am being sarcastic today...you guys will just have to excuse my bad manners.

Thank you.

I'm not very good at reading Babelfish translations.  :2redface:

Could someone help me out with this please? Is it basically a letter from Hans Mos to someone saying that Julia Renfro has never been a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee? Did anyone ever think Julia was directly involved in her disappearance? The cover up maybe, but I don't think I've ever heard a suggestion regarding her disappearance.

That is interesting...wonder why that even came up at all?

The psychic, Kelly and Castillo accused Julia of being involved in some way by hiding information she knew.

MF's post from Hans Mos appears to be Mos saying the psychics are FOS.

If memory serves...

Wasn't this where they were pelted by rocks and other debri by the locals?

I remember about the trash...there are some pics and posts about it in this LCD.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1862.760

Ahhhh....thanks, Klaas. Now it makes sense.

So I wasn't thinking straight. Gosh!  Give me a break.  Why would anyone think Julia was involved in anything sinister? She's such a  good witch...oh sorry...that would be Glenda.  :roll:

LMAO!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused::
They've completely turned on Julia -- their BIGGEST ally in this whole affair. Who are they going to "champion" now??????????????? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::

It appears that Hans Mos can disregard the portion of the Daniel's  so-called press conference that pertains to Julia Renfro but ... the prosecutor remains silent in regards to vile accusations that were directed against Beth and Jug.

Hey ... either the "findings of Castillo and Young are credible or they are not.  As usual ... when it comes to Natalee's family ... there is definitely an Aruban double standard.

Janet

++++++++++


Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.


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this is today's diairio editorial, i hope someone can translate, decode, extrapolate, and tell us what the hell it says.
dennisintn

I just emailed it to Red to see if Jossy will translate this editorial in full for us. 

Here's what it says:


Online Pap translation:

natalee…y the farsantenan!
tuesday, 22 january 2008

is time for her farsantenenan cu is pulula as musca entorno the caso lamentable of natalee desentende they self of dje, y lague stay circumscribi at thing have stop in the procesverbaalnan policial. fuera of they, that cu is can specula, pretende of talk cu ghost, listen voznan of ultratumba, enfin, come cu last ridiculez posible. esnan cu wanted know thing owing to happen cu natalee have to read all the procesverbaalnan cu the intergadornan owing to work after of owing to listen cada one of the three sospechosonan, apart from the father of joran y the cantidad of testigonan of interest for police.

trece spiritistanan style yomanda, or negro felipe, or maria lionza is own of hendenan cu live in one world aleha of realidad. y for esnan cu not know, one “spiritista” is one person cu is believe in the doctrina cu the ghost of the mortonan can enter in comunciacion cu the bibonan. according my can owing to compronde, rudy croes seems of is one creyente of such doctrina.

the realidad of the caso is, sinembargo, cu natalee owing to desaparece hour cu the was in compania of three sospechoso: joran, deepak y satish! sharp! none another person owing to come front for tell cu the know concretamente kico owing to happen cu the child muher, y not was have neither one sun person during more of two year y mey by his desaparicion cu owing to constata cu evidencia irefutable cu the know kico owing to happen cu natalee, neither where the or his restonan is. of cu the can is bibo? the is one posibilidad cu is follow existi while not achieve some evidencia concreto cu the is dead, but majority of we cu conoce the pormenornan of the caso is convenci cu the child do not at life more.

i have hear y read tanto disparate ultimamente cu have trip i am ask about my self if for ocupa one function of ministro the unique credencial cu do you have have to is one diploma in bobedad. for her ministro of husticia aparece at television in one of his arankenan emocional because two “spiritista” owing to come cu one tou of invento tocante natalee, my not can think on nothing another but cu the is indicativo of the level of inteligencia cu is domina in the gobierno actual. i am compronde the frustracion of the mandatarionan in ausencia of one solucion of the caso, but thing my not can compronde neither is acepta niether is the attempt constante of gobierno for try desvia atencion of the berdadero sospechosonan, navegando in the world of spiritonan cu the farsantenan cu one of they self owing to trece.

lagami place some sharp on the “i” they, for despeha the dudanan cu the conversadornan cu ultratumba will owing to trece padilanti:

1. natalee not was pregnant! not have none constancia medico at merca cu is confirma cu the was embaraza! al contrario, his docter at alabama cu was haci his examennan medico annual rutinario owing to samine some first cu past owing to come aruba y not owing to constata none clase of embarazo!

2. natalee not was using drugs! never past owing to ingresa in one clinica for rehabilitacion! tell will contrario is own of hendenan cu do not take the molester of check cu the profesionalnan of medicina in his comunidad for achieve know the berdad! we if owing to hacie!

3. natalee never owing to bay for of cas for none motibo! the storianan cu the will owing to huy for of his hogar in pasado is another invento of mentenan fertil or patient, cazadornan of sensacionalismo cu in ausencia of confirmacion, is invente. the cuartelnan of police consulta where the was live not have none clase of evidencia cu the will owing to bay for of cas in cualke ocasion!

now, as see what clase of person natalee was of berdad. the was one student cu was saca clean “a” at school, or as the ekivalente of one averahe of 10 in we sistema! the was thing they're calling one “straight owing to student”! the not was anda cu amiganan or amigonan promiscuo. the was bay atende catholic regulamente cu one or the another of his parents biologico. the was activo on territory social in his comunidad. the was one child muher earnest cu view on his future, cu the wanted owing to dedica at the practica of medicina. all this owing to being confirma at we for her profesionalnan cu was atende!

kico owing to pase at aruba? of con past owing to desvia of the perfil anterior for enter one car cu three person cu the not was conoce owing to fondo? demasiado beverage, or past owing to being drugs? one bartender of the club where the was the night fateful ey owing to constata cu two of the three sospechosonan have to owing to practicamente lastre take away the car because the was tambaleando. another testigonan owing to confirma cu do not nothing odd cu they will owing to place one drugs in one of his bebidanan for suaviza his entrega. as thing as owing to debilita his defensanan the night ey, is the three sospechosnan cu was cune can suminstra we cu the contestanan adecuado. because; cu my not have the custumbra of specula, my do not bay hacie now niether.

will unique cu my wanted owing to place at cla is cu the farsantenan cu is dialoga cu ghost not have life close my, because my do not believe in the ficcion of contactonan cu ultratumba. y i am bise without none cinismo, but guia, not for “guiding light”, but for her luz of one berdad pragmatico!

thanks, klaas.  you're a class act. on julia not being "verdachte" in mos' letter.  that means, i think, that she was never a suspect in anything.  i'm not sure it means that they haven't taken statements from her about this case. 
dennisintn

Klass  - ty for update on Persistence.

Tyler---love the red bikini (and cupid)

keep the faith

http://www.woxikon.com/dut/verdachte.php

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verdachte

thanks nut, so she's definitely not been questioned as a suspect but the question had been, from the way i understand it, has julia given a statement (as a witness) to a.l.e.
he didn't answer the question.  he merely made a statement about something else.
dennisintn

I've had more success looking up German translations than any other when it comes to these words. verdachte is listed in the German to English online dictionaries. I'm having trouble figuring out which meaning though. It ranges from "smelling a rat" to "suspicion". Seriously..........try the word in this link:

http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/

Dayhiker ... I wonder what "other story" Anita would like to see investigated.  It appears to me to be the Young and Castillo story.  It is ironic ... Anita's words mimic Rudy Croes' words ... THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.

Janet

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JANUARY 11, 2008

Translation by EURobert on the front page of SM:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2522.msg328035;topicseen#msg328035

Anita: (Edited) We know people were seen at the beach, her room-card was used, there are people who claim they have seen Natalee the day after she went missing…

Witt.: There’s a statement by a cashier who says she first saw Natalee with a man who a short time later she saw without the girl. Has there been no proper investigation into these facts?

Paulus: Well it’s even stronger… There is a videorecording supposedly of Natalee but we untill now haven’t had access to that video.

Anita: (Edited) That’s a video of the entrance of the Holliday inn… And there was something strange with the first posters that Beth Twitty hung up. It read “Little Hoody please call Big Hoody” which suggests Natalee ran away. Anyway, I was under the impression that there was another story that I gladly would have seen investigated.

<snipped>

Anita: I would want that the investigation would continue… Maybe Peter can help with that… Maybe we can talk after the show… Uuhhmm… I would as well very much would see an investigation into the investigation… I don’t know if we can have that hope but that… As long as this case isn’t solved all concerned will stay under enormous pressure and Joran will continually be pointed at (Edited).

Witt.: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I… don’t know. I have for a very long time kept believing she was still alive and I have being played information in my hands that supports that a.o. from Renée Gielen (Edited).  I would so gladly see that the other side of the story was shown as well.


Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.”  Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.


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Klaas...sending you an e-mail ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyConfused::   lol I really like this guy!! Reminds me of how my day went today!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

So Joran has taken all of this abuse to protect a friend, if so he is actually a hell of a guy!! And the gay boy, fell so hard in love and lust with Natalee that he killed her in a rage of jealous anger because she was with his best friend/ex lover, who now has stood silent despite being incarcerated for 100 days taking the blame for him. Or did he kill her because he was so jealous of his lover, Joran?

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You have no idea what pain and suffering is if you think for one minute that you and your fellow buffoons have been victimized by Beth. Your country needs to hire an expert who can give all of your citizens and the island's supporters a course of civilization and the art of decency. Until that time, your country should be isolated as the leper colonies were and left to your incestuous in breeding program that has populated your country creating the simpletons and idiots that you all appear to be. Oh, and once you are squarely quarantined, please roll out the violence and do the world a favor, exterminate yourselves.

Or simply get your heads out of your asses and act right for a change!!!!!!!!!

private eye  I have had those thoughts too, about maybe Guild being jealous of Joran or K2. That would be a reason for the heavy battery charge he got when arrested in Holland.

I had never thought about it till I wrote the post, and it seemed a little obvious, except, Joran would never take the heat for him:)

Only through fear of death would Joran do anything for anyone...his own family included.  He is not one to take the fall for anyone...he's too narcissistic. He is willing to toss anyone under the bus.

was guido the one with the expensive lawyer ?

thanks

Yes  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes....he is the one who worked at the casino, sold his car and fled to NL
 about a week after Natalee disappeared.

Per the Dr. Phil Discovery Log Timeline, Julia Renfro was interviewed on 6/30/2005 at 13.45.

Robots...yes

ok

thank you, you are the best

was he also the card dealer ?

thank you to all

i knew the answers - just wanted to make sure you all were not sleeping

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue::


guido was a cheater- that is where joran was making his money

guido has his hands all over this

He was also the one with the Heavy Battery charge.

guido and joran were going to get married - in guido's eyes

oh, yes.  purported to be the most expensive lawyer in holland.
dennisintn

yes, angry guido with the pricy lawyer

joran aint protecting just guido

joran is protecting joran

I think he was in the know at least. It should be an easy task to verify the status of Guido and Joran the next day at school. They either were there or not, were acting tired, starnge or not, scratched, bruised or not, and there were plenty of adults and students, grades, tests to validate this. This shouldn't be a mystery. But as far as I know, it is::))))))))))))

Tamikosmom's musings ... musings that include all seven detained  suspects as well as Freddy.

Janet

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OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."


1.  Freddy is waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrive with a drugged Natalee after leaving Carlos 'N Charles'.

2.  Guido and Steve Croes arrives in a separate vehicle at approximately the same time.

3.  A sexual assault ensues.

4.  In an attempt to escape a gang rape Natalee sustains a head injury administred by Guildo.

5.  The decision is made to take Natalee to the beach where she can sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her flight back home.

6.  Freddy remains at the VDS' residence.

7.  Joran, Deepak and Guildo ... enroute to the beach ... drops Satish off at home.

8.  Deepak drops off Joran, Guildo and a "passed out" Natalee at the beach while he parks his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club.

9.  However ... Guido and Joran realize that Natalee is deceased. 

10.  Leaving a deceased Natalee on the beach ... Joran and Guido run across the street to where Deepak is waiting.

11.  A panicked discussion ensues.  When it is considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's  ... the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating.

12.  Paulus is contacted.

13.  The gardener enters the picture.  He observes Joran, Deepak and Freddy in the parked vehicle.

14.  Paulus arrives and ... accesses the situation.

15.  Assistance in moving a deceased Natalee is required.  GVC is contacted as he has access to a Beach Patrol pickup.

16.  Deepak and Guido leave the scene.

17.  Joran remains with Paulus and GVC.  Natalee is placed in the white pickup and driven to Lorenzo's home..

++++++++++++++++++++


Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... were attempting to frame the Security Guards in their efforts to protect Paulus and Joran.


Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... were attempting to frame the Security Guards in their efforts to protect Paulus and Joran.


Joran van der Sloot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Deepak Kalpoe:    Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.
 

Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor was aware that Paulus had assisted Joran in a coverup following death of Natalee Holloway.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

GVC's role consisted of provided the white pickup that was required to move Natalee from the Marriott beach.


Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.

While still at the VDS' resident ... Guido struck Natalee with an aluminum bat.


Freddy Arambatzis: Suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor.

Freddy was detained on suspicion unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.  Suspicions that involved a minor and ... a camera.  Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case probably involved only his camer.


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Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

Yes, Robots you are correct, Guido who had nothing to do with this, was interviewed by the ALE in June, he went to Holland, was interviewed there and then he was arrested on suspicion. One of the suspicions was heavy battery. Gerard Spong was his lawyer. He is one of the best lawyers in Holland and in all of the EU I suspect. He was part of the defense of Milosevic.
But, GUIDO had nothing to do with it.
After Guido was released, Joran phoned him. That came right out of Joe T's mouth to your ear via Greata's show.
And he had nothing to do with it. Got it ?
ps I always hire the best criminal lawyer in the land when I have to defend myself against nothing.

yes, most revealing

aint it  ::MonkeyCool::

And what was the basis of that charge? Somebody had to offer some evidence, credible or not. Except in Aruba:))))))))

 ::MonkeyCool::

I believe that Robot can see much further into the future and more intimately with the dead than the Danny and Kelly. So far that I can bet he can hear Joran screaming, "Oh no Bubba, please no, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" in the near future. I bet he can also hear Natalee saying, "shut up and take it like a man you punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

That is a remarkably plausible scenario!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::  GREAT POST! 

While I think that was excellent logic, I think that possibly the only difference I believe is that the boys buried her by the fishermans hut, and Paulus and Co moved her without the boys knowledge because of Joran's confession and the fact the boys recorded conversation indicate they don't know where she is now. Also, if Lorenzo is involved, maybe Guido was there only the party was at Lorenzo's?

But you know, it is a horrible situation that defines that as a great posts:(  I always lile to give people options:)

So true! 

What did Guido's parents do for a living? Do we know?

i still think joran was using Guido's car that night

the injuries and death occured in guido's death machine vehicle


and to the average person it would appear guido killer her because it was guido's car, but joran had the car that night at least for awhile

thats why joran was telling lies about how he got home... guido drove him
but the evidence was in guido's car

guido is stuck, joran is stuck

That's what made it GREAT to me PI!  (1) If we even CONSIDER that the latest scenario of a "brokeback love triangle" is the root of this entire case (2) If we remember that the search of the pond near the VDS home was hindered by the LOCALS among other things (I don't think this area was ever fully cleared, correct me if I'm wrong...Do you recall the locals interfering in any other area?  Did they know something?)  (3)Along with the knowledge of all of the absolutely VILE things that have been said about family of Natalee, especially Beth and Jug to distract from the TRUTH, I think you were on the money as to the options they should have to be considered CIVILIZED.  Not that I in any way believe that the most sensible of those options would be chosen considering the paths they have taken in the past two and a half years! 

I read this today and it is so true...
FROM:  Kate Nowak's Heartfelt Blessings kate@mayyoubeblessed.com
Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:35 PM

The Paths We Create

"As a single footstep will not make a path on the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives."

—Henry David Thoreau
Just as one wave following another forms the shoreline, so do our daily actions and thoughts, repeated again and again, form the sum and substance of our lives. That's the reason affirmations work. And that's the reason it is so important that we pay attention to the dominant trend of our thinking, for those thoughts we entertain repeatedly today will shape and define our experiences tomorrow, just as surely as repeated footsteps will wear a pathway into even the firmest soil.

I hope you can understand where I was coming from... 

Posted by Glenda at RU.
Mos has confirmed that Beth arrived with the others on the McWane flight.
Did we ever doubt that she did?  Nooooooooo. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Since Jug and Julia got slammed pretty hard on Aruba by the Psychics, and well Aruba got slammed pretty hard by The Monkeys for Believing the Psychics... With a potentiallly huge slam if any real media picked it up. I'd say the only one that didn't get slammed would be the one that didn't arrive at 7:45 pm as MOS confirmed that they had proof that Beth arrived together with the others on the Mc Wayne flight.

Just a few days ago I posted that Guido may have left to Canada from Aruba and then to Holland. According to a Aruban and Dutch newspaper in 2006 anyway..I am still very curious about why he would go to Canada. We have seen a couple of things that are very curious from Canada like the Cartoon of Natalee-3 Days until murdered Cartoon with the shallow grave,about a week after NH dissapeared.

You may see me research Lorenzo and Mr.Pink..etc but thats because I am looking into everyone and everything that should be looked into. Guido would be very high on my list after the sloots to research,but there is nothing out there on this kid. Not only do I think Guido was with JK2 that night but I beleave he was there when something bad happened. I still believe the rumors that he offered a alibi to Joran in early June 2005 before he fled. They had to have a reason to add Heavy Battery to the suspicions when he was arrested and I still believe that both him and Joran tried to restrain Natalee while she fought the best she could to get away. We have seen both reports from his school and co workers at the casino that he had long scratches and a bruise/injuries on his face the days after Natalee dissapeared. Like most of you I think it was Joran in a raging temper and high on Xtasy that ended Natalee's life.
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I noticed the closing remarks on this video.."One report out of Aruba is Guido is considered a alibi witness for Joran"...

May 21, 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iUKXXFreaY
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The arrested boy is hot Guido Wever, he has been detained and interrogated in the Netherlands. He is Aruba moved to Canada 14 days after Natalee disappeared. He was a croupier at the Holliday Inn and Casino has previously interrogated by the Aruban police. According to his lawyer Spong, the boy suspected of "complicity in murder, grievous bodily injury and deprivation of liberty of Natalee Holloway.

      The boy lived in Aruba and went to the Mon Plaisir School. The boy is also seen in the company of Natalee. He came to school with a lot of scratches on his body. The boy was almost done with school and would continue studying in the Netherlands. He asked his parents if he was allowed to Canada earlier. He was on two weeks after finished school when he heard of his possible arrest and then fled to the Netherlands.

      The boy, according to witness testimony on May 30, 2005 have been at school with scratches and injuries on his face. He would also be part of the group who were arrested earlier.

      He was previously interrogated as a witness, 3x by the Aruban police and twice by the Dutch police.

      Gerard Spong, the boy's lawyer, told the NOS news that the suspect is a friend of Joran van der Sloot - those are certain that he Natalee was last seen. Van der Sloot says he left Holloway alone on the beach after her gezoend to have.

      (Source: Awemainta & arubadirtypolice)
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The Algemeen Dagblad will publish this morning:

      Quote:
      The Utrecht police last week a former croupier arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murder of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. Gerard Spong, lawyer of the suspect, a span today interim measures to prevent extradition to Aruba.

      The suspect, Guido W., is a Dutchman who lived in Aruba at the time of the loss of Holloway. W. Is a tennismaatje of Joran van der Sloot and worked three months as a trainee croupier at the casino in the hotel where Holloway stayed. On May 30, when Holloway was missing only a few hours, was W. Also work. "He looked strange,''recalls a member of the Aruban casino itself.,, He came within worrisome.''

      W. Worked a few days in the casino, but was previously on a dangepland. He departed in June to Canada to study. After Holloway's disappearance is W. Several times in Aruba and the Netherlands, heard as a witness.

      Holloway came during her vacation on Aruba often in the casino. Even on the last evening that she was seen alive, she was there. They with when Van der Sloot, who still is suspected of involvement in Holloway's disappearance. But he is due to a lack of evidence on free feet. The arrest of Guido W. Took place at the request of the Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) in Aruba. The suspect is stuck in Utrecht.
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http://forum.fok.nl/topic/837319/6/50 (translated)

We had some photos of Guido, taken for a portfolio for modeling, didn't we?

Here is one photo that was from that modeling site from the NL:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Guido.jpg)

I don't mean to stereotype, and I'm the first to admit that no conclusions can be made from a picture, but the pictures I remember of Guido left me "not surprised" at the speculation he was gay or bisexual.

Last picture I have seen on Guido is from his Hyves site. The guy to the right of Guido  looks Gay CBB  :wink:

http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3852/guidoal2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

 :smt045 :smt045

But what directed them to him?

phone messages we are not aware of as of YET  ::MonkeyCool::

I am with you 100%. I do wish I wouldn't get quite so angry though, of course then I wish I had 10 minutes alone with Joran, and of course that isn't a pretty thought:)

Considering that Hans Mos has determined that Daniel Young lied in regards to the accusations against Julia Renfro and ... he lied about the accusation against Jug and Beth regarding their time of arrival ...

1.  WHY IS DANIEL YOUNG TAKEN SERIOUSLY AT ALL?
2.  WHY IS RUDY CROES REQUESTING HANS TO INVESTIGATE NATALEE'S FAMILY BASED ON THE "FINDINGS" OF DANIEL YOUNG AND KELLY CASTILLO ... THE FINDINGS WHICH WERE SHOWN TO KARIN JANSSEN IN APRIL, 2006?

The happenings in the past week in regards to Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young is above all logic ... all reason.

Janet

++++++++++

JANUARY, 2008

Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

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APRIL, 2006

New tips on Natalee Holloway case continue to come in
Bon Dia Aruba
4/10/2006

ORANJESTAD— Tips continue to come in to the Public Prosecution and the Police Force. It’s Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that despite the search team from Holland leaving Aruba, there is other information coming in that could help police solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Public Prosecution, specifically chief prosecutor Janssen, and investigators in these past few days, including yesterday, met with two people, Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young, who said they have key information of what could have happened to Natalee, and they are willing to help authorities in giving them the necessary clues.

These people were already in contact with Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who asked them to come to Aruba. However, when these persons found certain information, they realized that the case was not as Beth Twitty has told the world, but that it was something much simpler, where it cannot be said that the youngster was murdered. Castillo and Young went as far as saying that Beth Twitty knew that Natalee was alive a couple of days when the mother herself was in Aruba. This explains the first poster where she asked her daughter to get in touch with her. Further still, Beth had in her possession the telephone that Natalee used to tell her she would not return to the U.S., something that the mother did not give to police immediately.

After Castillo and Young came to Aruba, they were able to find more information, and revealed to Beth what they know. Beth didn’t like what the duo said and even said that she was not interested to know who Natalee was with last. She only wanted revenge and that her focus remained on the three youngsters who were with her after Carlos & Charlie’s.

Authorities have all the recordings and notes that Castillo and Young made during their conversations with Twitty and they are willing to publish these soon. Further still, according to these two people from the U.S., for them it is confirmed that Natalee didn’t want to return home for abuse reasons and that it’s not the first time that the youngster went as far as doing something like this.

Bon Dia Aruba understands that the meetings with authorities took their time and now they are looking at what will come out of the new information which was presented to the chief prosecutor and the investigative team.

In the meantime, the program ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ is scheduled for tomorrow night, Tuesday and this also should produce new facts to help finally solve the case.

// posted by Getagrip @ 4/10/2006 06:19:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html

And if there was any doubt in the way Glenda/Renfro worded it:

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Wonder how long it will take RU to figure out they were HAD again by MF?  ::MonkeyWink::

There is civil liability to all within the jursidiction of the US courts for that ploy by the 2, which has a long reach. Rudy has the emotional maturity of an 8th grade punk who has what he thinks is protection by his power and thus acts like a bully. And looks like a fool while he does it, unbeknownst to himself. Rudy, the world is laughing at you , not with you. You are a joke!! Charlie, Julia are all trying to distance themselves.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
8:35 PM

Nite Janet

I wish that we had the translation of Jossy's editorial today.
I think he said that Rudy Croes believes in Black Magic and Ghosts ::MonkeyLaugh::

Nite!

Absalom, Absalom.

In one of he PV's, Paulus's, it said that Paulus called Guido to see of Joran really won the money ??? Guido was interviewed, it must have come from him. We have not a peep of what was in his ( Guido's) pv, but he was interviewed early and often. What ever happened to Arlene, Guido's cousin ?

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I remember a while back that someone was looking for a picture of the furniture truck at the VDS home.  Sorry if this is old info but I found this while looking for something else.

I don't care for that website but I think it's funny he's using everyone elses pics.  That particular one is Carpes.  I'm also sure we have the furniture truck in the Important Case Document threads.

I fixed it so the picture would show  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas!  I too was hesitant to post the link, but I saw that it was Carpe's pic so I hoped that the link to the picture only was o.k.  I tried but couldn't get it to where I could post the pic only.  You're the best!

When you post a link that is a photo (.jpg, .gif, etc) if after you paste it in your message, you HIGHLIGHT the link then click on this icon (http://scaredmonkeys.net/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) that is above the smilies, it will add the [img] tags and the photo will show.  Try it next time!

I didn't know he had been seen in the company of Natalee ::MonkeyShocked::

Lala's....I spent hours trying to track this down a little while ago. That is when I found the other person with the scratches and fled to The Netherlands 2 days after Natalee disappeared and also a Guido Gottenbos....LOL

All I kept finding on Guido's parents was the statement by the parents!!!!

Seeing Guido is being discussed again, this is what I found in the last LCD before we went to the new format and had posted tn the Shango and Simian thread.....

Bringing this discussion from August forward as Jossy is quoted as saying that it was not Guido who had the scratches.    dialogue from final LCD thread on August 11, 2007, 07:07:02 PM


How did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night?

Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?

I've a question. Did Jossy say or write that the scratches were on GvC not Guido?

He was detained last Wednesday. He was considered a witness in June, 2005. Since February of this year, he is now a suspect. Prosecutor in Aruba want him very quickly. Main evidence against him is witness made statements against him. He claims that he is innocent and never met Natalee last June.

Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.

Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

Lala's...I found these posts from *******....

on: January 02, 2008, 07:48:19 PM 
Quote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 05:40:27 PM
Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government



We know Guido's dad is Robert Wever a politician and the chairman of the Aliansa / MSA. No idea if Guido is related to Booshi Wever or the other high ranking Wevers. But I have long been suspicious that PVDS was not the only father who influenced this case.

 

is it just me or does the big guy next to the truck in this pic look just like the guy from the painted rocks video???? :shock:

yes he does

BINGO

I thought I just read 'somewhere' that Jossy confirmed that the guy from the rocks was with ALE, some sort of forensic guy....LOL after Archer that could be anything!

PER MF at RU

MF Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:42 am   
The Persistence might have foud "something"

The prosecutor's Office has just been informed recently that the Persistence crew might have found something and currently forensic testings are under way.

If it has to do with the Natalee Holloway case or any way related or crucial to the investigation, has yet to be determined. 

IF TRUE ...Let's hope the forensics are performed by an 'independant' and not by anyone on Aruba.  :roll:

I wonder who is doing the forensic testing?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Is this reliable??

Thanks Nut for bringing this over!

I need coffee to clear the cobwebs. Join me, Monkeys! (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Morning/c11.gif)

OK. Let's just say there is something to this.
"Forensic testing is underway"
Who would be doing it? Please tell me the crew would be testing, because I don't trust anyone else!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Magnolia, great minds think alike! I wish Kyle would check in!

MF has a way of telling half truths.
So best we take it with a grain of salt.
I hope Persistence has found something.
If so maybe Klye will confirm shortly.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for breakfast CBB...

Scary, isn't it, with what we know!

Left you a question in Musings!  TIA

My mind races about  the Persistence. I think of Kyle promising 'something interesting soon.' The very recent 'swapping out of crews' -- maybe a different set of 'experts.' I am too wary to get my hopes up yet -- I can't trust MF the messenger.

I know Wreck. I feel the same. There is something that worries me though. We've been through so many dashed hopes that I'm not sure I'm always as mindful as I should be that the Persistence and crew is a very different situation. The effort being made in the ocean search is motivated by purity, love and diligence, selflessness, skill, and sacrifice. It took me a while to be able to really have hope for their mission. I finally realized that the qualities the crew was exhibiting are universally the only basis for hope in life at all. I do have faith in what they are doing, and I do not doubt that it only takes one right effort to dispel all the corruption and evil that has surrounded this whole tragedy.

The Persistence and Crew is hope! God Bless Them!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=683&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=683&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

dan young y kelly cantillo never owing to
soluciona one caso at merca

wednesday, 23 january 2008

oranjestad(aan): the two personanan mericano dan young y kelly cantillo do not count ; cu none clase of credibilidad at aruba y worse at merca.

autoridadnan mericano was have contacto cu the team investigativo much time happen end where owing to conclui cu the two hendenan here not have none clase of credibilidad.

at merca self according autoridadnan mericano never they owing to arrive of contribui for solucion of cualkier caso.

at aruba they wanted owing to come take person haci y cu sosten of minister rudy croes, but here ministerio publico owing to sweep they for of table very time.

daily paper assure not owing to stay in they storia y was own ministerio of husticia cu was propaganda the two miradornan of ghost.

more tristo is cu the informacion cu the two miradornan of ghost owing to give at aruba none was berdad because at instant cu they owing to trece cierto declaracion the team investigativo owing to work on dje at once.
hour cu owing to see cu nothing is come afor did take contacto cu autoridadnan mericano cu owing to confirma cu the two hendenan here is talk much y tell nothing.

esey is motibo also according fiscal parent hans moss cu they of ministerio publico not owing to place mucho atencion at arrival of the two hendenan here again at aruba.

any word from the crew?

Not that I know of, and I'm anxious to hear from Kyle! I think I'll leave a post in the search thread and message Klaas to see if we can get a post to the ship. Can that be done from their blog? I've always just left posts in our own thread.

no idea? I know our Klaas needs her sleep...BUT WAKE UP KLAAS!!!! lol
Just teasing!!

I know, idstlou!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I left a post in the search thread, but re-thought messaging Klaas. She'll read it here before she checks her messages. OH! Wait! I can message Red and ask him! (DUH slap to my head, like the V8 realization!)

I'll do that right now!

lol...good thinking.
renho posted this:

Glenda Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:15 am   

There are two film crews on the island and they didn't come for this Psychic Info.   

Good Morning Klaas!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Have you heard anything about Persitance finding "something"

I haven't heard a thing.  I just read it hear and was checking RU.  Kyle did say things would get interresting.  ::MonkeyWink::

Let's hope!!!

Gosh!  You guys need to let Klaas sleep.  She's our all-knowing moderator of magnificent proportions.  shhhhhh.....is she awake yet?

No, I'm not awake yet  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lol...wasn't me!!! I was tip-toeing and whispering!!!

Interesting email from a special someone this morning...thought I would share it.  Thoughts are well constructed and even included a little Shango.  All parties that have been discussed recently are included....KISS.

OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."


1.  Freddy is waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrive with a drugged Natalee after leaving Carlos 'N Charles'.

2.  Guido and Steve Croes arrives in a separate vehicle at approximately the same time.

3.  A sexual assault ensues.

4.  In an attempt to escape a gang rape Natalee sustains a head injury administred by Guildo.

5.  The decision is made to take Natalee to the beach where she can sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her flight back home.

6.  Freddy remains at the VDS' residence.

7.  Joran, Deepak and Guildo ... enroute to the beach ... drops Satish off at home.

8.  Deepak drops off Joran, Guildo and a "passed out" Natalee at the beach while he parks his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club.

9.  However ... Guido and Joran realize that Natalee is deceased.

10.  Leaving a deceased Natalee on the beach ... Joran and Guido run across the street to where Deepak is waiting.

11.  A panicked discussion ensues.  When it is considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's  ... the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating.

12.  Paulus is contacted.

13.  The gardener enters the picture.  He observes Joran, Deepak and Freddy in the parked vehicle.

14.  Paulus arrives and ... accesses the situation.

15.  Assistance in moving a deceased Natalee is required.  GVC is contacted as he has access to a Beach Patrol pickup.

16.  Deepak and Guido leave the scene.

17.  Joran remains with Paulus and GVC.  Natalee is placed in the white pickup and driven to Lorenzo's home..

++++++++++++++++++++


Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... were attempting to frame the Security Guards in their efforts to protect Paulus and Joran.


Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... were attempting to frame the Security Guards in their efforts to protect Paulus and Joran.


Joran van der Sloot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Deepak Kalpoe:    Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.


Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

The prosector had no choice ... the charges against the security guards implied that Natalee Holloway was deceased.
 

Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

Obviously ... the prosecutor was aware that Paulus had assisted Joran in a coverup following death of Natalee Holloway.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

GVC's role consisted of provided the white pickup that was required to move Natalee from the Marriott beach.


Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.

While still at the VDS' resident ... Guido struck Natalee with an aluminum bat.


Freddy Arambatzis: Suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor.

Freddy was detained on suspicion unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.  Suspicions that involved a minor and ... a camera.  Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case probably involved only his camer.


++++++++++++++

Jossy Mansur
' Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.