Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #84

[higherhopes]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

Also, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense, back when Casey was looking up kidnapping on the comp, what if she was thinking about staging a kidnapping to get money from JP's family, like asking him for the ransom money, and they prolly would have agreed to give it to her if she didnt say anything about who the babies father was, and something went wrong and Caylee ended up dead.........

BINGO!  You really have your thinking cap on tonight!!!!!

I think I am gonna do some more backtracking on JP and asking a few more questions also......but it would certainly make sense to me of how casey come to get Jose as a lawyer so quickly, and the secretcy surrounding the fathers identity.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

Yes, he is!  It has been said - not sure if it has been confirmed or just rumor - that LE knew who the father was! Does anyone know if this has been confirmed before I start speculating?

Goodevening Mytime,

Speculating is the name of the game here.  I had a thought about the Lee being father possibility today.  Was thinking that Casey worked until after she had Caylee, than the lieing began.  Just was wondering if Casey felt that since she was doing most of the caretaking of Caylee that he should be responsible for the financial responsibilities.  Could that be why she refused to work??  Why no one seemed to push her about her working, and why she felt she could steal from her parents?  All just speculation of course.

Now having said that might I add you look like you had a very Happy New Year.  Guess it's time to put back the old casuals again soon, though I love your formal wear!!    

If you're going to "slip into something more comfortable", we're back to the headlights!!   

[mytime]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

  I dont doubt that by now the LE may know who the father is but if that person does not want it known that he is and he has the money like JP's family does...I doubt they could make it public knowledge without his consent, and if its not gonna hve a bearing on this case on way or the other, they could keep it from coming out!

I don't think a guy who either didn't know he was the father, or knew and fought like hell to keep it from coming out, is entitled to Caylee's remains. She's not a pizza or a stock--there aren't "equal shares" or "rights" to her.

Cindy Anthony raised her. She is the one who feels the loss, bore the expense and the responsibility and is taking the hatred and the flack for her failure. Cindy is the one and only person entitled to bury her, mourn her, and pay the rest of her life for what she didn't do in time.

She also protected her killer and only God knows what else!!  I have no sympathy for any of them!  I have tried to but they have made it down right impossible!!! 

[da sparkenator]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

What are they going to do, demand DNA from the entire male population of Orlando? Whoever the father is, he doesn't care. If he did, he'd have come forward long ago.

Maybe he never knew!

He knew he had sex with Casey.  I just can't imagine being a man, hearing that a girl I once slept with had a child the right age to be mine, and not trying to find out. But most men really don't care, as long as nobody asks them for money.

I have to totally disagree with that statement!  Maybe it was just a one nighter and just maybe he has contacted LE.  I have no idea but will not think the worse until there is some facts to base it on!!  I don't concider LP a very reliable source either!!  JMO

Mytime, it seems like Padilla is speculating and that's appropriate for a forum but not appropriate to present it as fact on tv or to the press!  I think he is taking stabs in the dark.  It is really frustrating to me that NG never asks Padilla what the source of his information is.  I think she just has him on there to make these controversial statements for ratings.  She doesn't allow that from any of her other guests . . .

[Desdemona]

Okay, I'm new here, and not "up" on all the rules and customs...

I was just looking through all my pics (I have a TON) and saw several examples of what some of you are saying ... that JP Chatt and Caylee resemble one another.

I put some pics side-by-side -- is it allowed to post something like that here?

Desi

[higherhopes]

Hey everybody.....just and ideal but I wonder if there isnt more to the JP Chatt rumor than what we thought and if this could be where the money for Casey's dream team is coming from......YOU NEVER KNOW.......
JP Chatts family is very wealthy… His father is Joseph Chatt and he is the Chairman of CaribEx worldwide…(In Puerto Rico) Joseph chatt Jr is the President of Caribbean.. Madeline Chatt (JP’s sister) is the Business Development and DR ops manager in Florida…I heard this is the Chatt’s business… I think I reqad that gross sales or profit was 87 million (need to find that link)
Also please note: there is a Cyndy Baez that also works there as a Billing/Inventory Control Specialist….. could she be kin to Jose?

Im also gonna check into this Cyndy Baez and see if she is attached to Jose's family in some way if I can find anything out that is!

[higherhopes]

Okay, I'm new here, and not "up" on all the rules and customs...

I was just looking through all my pics (I have a TON) and saw several examples of what some of you are saying ... that JP Chatt and Caylee resemble one another.

I put some pics side-by-side -- is it allowed to post something like that here?

Desi

Yes we post pics here,,,,,,,,just dont do like me and make them gigantic......lol

[marymary]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

Yes, he is!  It has been said - not sure if it has been confirmed or just rumor - that LE knew who the father was! Does anyone know if this has been confirmed before I start speculating?

Goodevening Mytime,

Speculating is the name of the game here.  I had a thought about the Lee being father possibility today.  Was thinking that Casey worked until after she had Caylee, than the lieing began.  Just was wondering if Casey felt that since she was doing most of the caretaking of Caylee that he should be responsible for the financial responsibilities.  Could that be why she refused to work??  Why no one seemed to push her about her working, and why she felt she could steal from her parents?  All just speculation of course.

Now having said that might I add you look like you had a very Happy New Year.  Guess it's time to put back the old casuals again soon, though I love your formal wear!!    

If you're going to "slip into something more comfortable", we're back to the headlights!!   

A monkey woman must not reveal too much, it is the mystery that make me so alluring!!     Perhaps a little heart on my camisole. 

[Fuzzball]

Listen to the last 911 tape from the house, the one where Cindy tells about the smell in the car, and she becomes hysterical.  She then is asked to get Casey on the phone, and then listen to Cindyin the background.  Unfortunately, when these tapes were transcribed, the transcriptionist did not transcribe that part, but you can hear it.

Good point. Histronic Personality Disorder. She's also got Dellusional Disorder. These can lead to abusive behavior to the children. Those behaviors originate with fear and are passed on from generation to generation. In many cases of child abuse the youngest are murdered.

Good morning, monkeys and guests!   

Cindy certainly seems to have a list personality disorders tucked up under her belt.  And yes, many of the behaviors do get passed on to future generations, in one form or another.  Casey seems to be a mini Cindy, only far worse. 

Interesting to me is observing how these things happen in the different generations.  And while none of it excuses Casey for what she most likely has done to Caylee, it does help to explain how things ended up so very badly in that family, with Caylee taking the brunt of it all. 

What I'd like to know is how Cindy got the way she is!  We haven't heard much about her parents, their behaviors and relationship.  Oddly enough, of the three women (mother, grandmother, g.grandmother) Cindy's mother (from what little we do know) seems to be the most emotionally healthy.  Yet it's true that first impressions can be deceiving.  It very likely could be that Cindy may be a mini Shirley. 

Would love for Rick to share more about the family and its inner-workings.  Only to help in understanding Cindy, which in turn, helps in understanding Casey.  If anything, am betting the defense will go for the emotionally-abused angle, PTSD, NPD and whatever other initials that Casey most likely has. 

And again I say, none of this 'excuses' Casey.   

So Baez can try, but doubt that it will fly.  Cuz I have a whole slew of initials, as many do, based on the experiences of our childhood, etc.  None of us (to our knowledge) have handled things with our children in such cold, calculating, cruel ways.  A greater majority (even while perhaps handing down personality disorders to some degree), manage to somehow 'go the opposite way' in dealing with our children.  Makes for fascinating casework study, if you're into that kind of thing.   
   

Rick already shared something very telling. He told us that his own niece pulled a train in December 2005.

This means either: a) he knew first-hand. b) He had the kind of relationship with Casey that she would tell him that, but not that she was pregant? c) for some reason the guys involved would tell this 50-year-old man about the good time they had with his niece...and he believed them.  d) Cindy told him. e) He made it up.

NONE of these things points to a healthy family here.  In fact, all of them point to a family where the men are just casually abusive of the women, and where the women lie to make the family seem normal while the men laugh about it.

I don't think any men are doing the abusing in the A family.  George is scared sh**less of Cindy, and she's got him by the short and curlies!

Lisa

What's he scared of, that she'll quit her job and stop supporting him? If she were the abuser, she already would have done so years ago.

She wouldn't be the one supporting him and letting him get away with gambling away her retirement money and her whole income. Don't be fooled by George. When he talks about Cindy he makes it sound like everything he does is for her, but he's actually saying, "everything is really Cindy's fault." And people believe it because he's attractive for his age and sounds sincere. He has no feelings for her and no interest in his family at all, and this shows in the photos and in their past history.

We know he cheats on her, we know that when he got his workman's comp he didn't pay back $ he'd taken from her account, nor did he use any of it to help Caylee or either of their kids. He left. Then he came back because he was out of money. And for some reason she took him back. Why? 

It's Cindy, not George, who has weird bruises, takes some kind of weird drugs or painkillers for god knows what, and who went to a counselor. The victim goes into counseling, not the perpetrator, because the victim wants to know how to not be so unhappy, maybe get him to stop abusing her so much...We've seen George's temper. We know he abused his father. Don't tell me he's the one scared of Cindy. A guy who throws his boss/Dad through a window isn't going to take abuse from his little 5'2" wife lying down.

[mytime]

Hi MM - I am not changing my formal wear.  Every day is my new year!   
And my you are looking quite foxy!!  CBB was your number!  LOL

I didn't know that Speculation was the Name of the Game!     I guess I can make up all kinds of stuff too then!!  Maybe Caylee father is Jebb Bush!  They met at Universal and had a one stand!  She has been blackmailing him for years and he is bankrolling her whole defense!!      

twins??

[Fuzzball]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

  I dont doubt that by now the LE may know who the father is but if that person does not want it known that he is and he has the money like JP's family does...I doubt they could make it public knowledge without his consent, and if its not gonna hve a bearing on this case on way or the other, they could keep it from coming out!

I don't think a guy who either didn't know he was the father, or knew and fought like hell to keep it from coming out, is entitled to Caylee's remains. She's not a pizza or a stock--there aren't "equal shares" or "rights" to her.

Cindy Anthony raised her. She is the one who feels the loss, bore the expense and the responsibility and is taking the hatred and the flack for her failure. Cindy is the one and only person entitled to bury her, mourn her, and pay the rest of her life for what she didn't do in time.

She also protected her killer and only God knows what else!!  I have no sympathy for any of them!  I have tried to but they have made it down right impossible!!! 

We don't have to have sympathy for them, but the fact remains that Cindy cared for that child, and whoever her "father" is didn't even care enough about her to find out whether she existed or not. I have no sympathy for him, either.

[Desdemona]

Here are a couple of comparisons of JP and Caylee:

[jaggard19]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

Yes, he is!  It has been said - not sure if it has been confirmed or just rumor - that LE knew who the father was! Does anyone know if this has been confirmed before I start speculating?

That was LP speculating based on the fact that too many of the DNA markers matched Casey. There ought to be about a 50% match to a parent. If there is more than 50%, that suggests the parents were related, because some of the paternal DNA is matching the maternal DNA.  A brother and sister as parents, could have a child whose DNA matches the mothers 75%.  A father and daughter could have a match that's up to 100%.

But that DNA result was done at the time that they tested the hairbrush that Cindy gave them and told them it was Caylee's hairbrush!  We have later found out that the hairbrush was in fact Casey's, and LE said that there was no difference between Caylee and Casey DNA, and they knew Casey was alive, so that it had to be Casey's DNA.  I bet they know now that they have Caylee's DNA that the hair in the trunk was Caylee's hair and not Casey's hair.  Cindy should not get immunity just based on the hairbrush alone!

[higherhopes]

Yes  Desi,  I very much see the resemblence here with these two, I  wouldnt be surprised if casey didnt get pregnant by JP and it prolly was a one night stand, seeing as the word now is that JP cant stand Casey..........

[mytime]

Hey everybody.....just and ideal but I wonder if there isnt more to the JP Chatt rumor than what we thought and if this could be where the money for Casey's dream team is coming from......YOU NEVER KNOW.......
JP Chatts family is very wealthy… His father is Joseph Chatt and he is the Chairman of CaribEx worldwide…(In Puerto Rico) Joseph chatt Jr is the President of Caribbean.. Madeline Chatt (JP’s sister) is the Business Development and DR ops manager in Florida…I heard this is the Chatt’s business… I think I reqad that gross sales or profit was 87 million (need to find that link)
Also please note: there is a Cyndy Baez that also works there as a Billing/Inventory Control Specialist….. could she be kin to Jose?

Im also gonna check into this Cyndy Baez and see if she is attached to Jose's family in some way if I can find anything out that is!

The info you posted on the Chatt's was very interseting?  Can you please post a link to it?  TIA

[marymary]

Hi MM - I am not changing my formal wear.  Every day is my new year!   
And my you are looking quite foxy!!  CBB was your number!  LOL

I didn't know that Speculation was the Name of the Game!     I guess I can make up all kinds of stuff too then!!  Maybe Caylee father is Jebb Bush!  They met at Universal and had a one stand!  She has been blackmailing him for years and he is bankrolling her whole defense!!      

twins??

Ahhh very imaginative but please don't give Casey and family any new idea's.  The Bush's have had enough negative publicfity.  Could make for a great book though.

Twins (will update u and Bob later).  Such a worried Nana. 

[da sparkenator]

Okay, I'm new here, and not "up" on all the rules and customs...

I was just looking through all my pics (I have a TON) and saw several examples of what some of you are saying ... that JP Chatt and Caylee resemble one another.

I put some pics side-by-side -- is it allowed to post something like that here?

Desi

Yes we post pics here,,,,,,,,just dont do like me and make them gigantic......lol

or accidentally post pics of handsome relatives . . . HA HA!!!!!!   

[Desdemona]

Fuzzball said:

We don't have to have sympathy for them, but the fact remains that Cindy cared for that child, and whoever her "father" is didn't even care enough about her to find out whether she existed or not. I have no sympathy for him, either.

You are right about this, but there is always another possibility:

I know it is not fashionable to speculate whether Lee (or even George) could have been Caylee's father.... but if that were the case, then the issue you speak of would be explained...

Also, Cindy's "Eric" story to OCSO contained a big contradiction:  a) The father doesn't know about Caylee, and b) The father knew about Caylee and it was agreed that her existence would be kept a secret.

[higherhopes]

Okay, I'm new here, and not "up" on all the rules and customs...

I was just looking through all my pics (I have a TON) and saw several examples of what some of you are saying ... that JP Chatt and Caylee resemble one another.

I put some pics side-by-side -- is it allowed to post something like that here?

Desi

Yes we post pics here,,,,,,,,just dont do like me and make them gigantic......lol

or accidentally post pics of handsome relatives . . . HA HA!!!!!!   

UHHH  I thought you had forgot about that by now!!!!!

[mytime]

Listen to the last 911 tape from the house, the one where Cindy tells about the smell in the car, and she becomes hysterical.  She then is asked to get Casey on the phone, and then listen to Cindyin the background.  Unfortunately, when these tapes were transcribed, the transcriptionist did not transcribe that part, but you can hear it.

Good point. Histronic Personality Disorder. She's also got Dellusional Disorder. These can lead to abusive behavior to the children. Those behaviors originate with fear and are passed on from generation to generation. In many cases of child abuse the youngest are murdered.

Good morning, monkeys and guests!   

Cindy certainly seems to have a list personality disorders tucked up under her belt.  And yes, many of the behaviors do get passed on to future generations, in one form or another.  Casey seems to be a mini Cindy, only far worse. 

Interesting to me is observing how these things happen in the different generations.  And while none of it excuses Casey for what she most likely has done to Caylee, it does help to explain how things ended up so very badly in that family, with Caylee taking the brunt of it all. 

What I'd like to know is how Cindy got the way she is!  We haven't heard much about her parents, their behaviors and relationship.  Oddly enough, of the three women (mother, grandmother, g.grandmother) Cindy's mother (from what little we do know) seems to be the most emotionally healthy.  Yet it's true that first impressions can be deceiving.  It very likely could be that Cindy may be a mini Shirley. 

Would love for Rick to share more about the family and its inner-workings.  Only to help in understanding Cindy, which in turn, helps in understanding Casey.  If anything, am betting the defense will go for the emotionally-abused angle, PTSD, NPD and whatever other initials that Casey most likely has. 

And again I say, none of this 'excuses' Casey.   

So Baez can try, but doubt that it will fly.  Cuz I have a whole slew of initials, as many do, based on the experiences of our childhood, etc.  None of us (to our knowledge) have handled things with our children in such cold, calculating, cruel ways.  A greater majority (even while perhaps handing down personality disorders to some degree), manage to somehow 'go the opposite way' in dealing with our children.  Makes for fascinating casework study, if you're into that kind of thing.   
   

Rick already shared something very telling. He told us that his own niece pulled a train in December 2005.

This means either: a) he knew first-hand. b) He had the kind of relationship with Casey that she would tell him that, but not that she was pregant? c) for some reason the guys involved would tell this 50-year-old man about the good time they had with his niece...and he believed them.  d) Cindy told him. e) He made it up.

NONE of these things points to a healthy family here.  In fact, all of them point to a family where the men are just casually abusive of the women, and where the women lie to make the family seem normal while the men laugh about it.

I don't think any men are doing the abusing in the A family.  George is scared sh**less of Cindy, and she's got him by the short and curlies!

Lisa

What's he scared of, that she'll quit her job and stop supporting him? If she were the abuser, she already would have done so years ago.

She wouldn't be the one supporting him and letting him get away with gambling away her retirement money and her whole income. Don't be fooled by George. When he talks about Cindy he makes it sound like everything he does is for her, but he's actually saying, "everything is really Cindy's fault." And people believe it because he's attractive for his age and sounds sincere. He has no feelings for her and no interest in his family at all, and this shows in the photos and in their past history.

We know he cheats on her, we know that when he got his workman's comp he didn't pay back $ he'd taken from her account, nor did he use any of it to help Caylee or either of their kids. He left. Then he came back because he was out of money. And for some reason she took him back. Why? 

It's Cindy, not George, who has weird bruises, takes some kind of weird drugs or painkillers for god knows what, and who went to a counselor. The victim goes into counseling, not the perpetrator, because the victim wants to know how to not be so unhappy, maybe get him to stop abusing her so much...We've seen George's temper. We know he abused his father. Don't tell me he's the one scared of Cindy. A guy who throws his boss/Dad through a window isn't going to take abuse from his little 5'2" wife lying down.

I am not sure how we know all of this!!  I have to admit that you and I will have to agree to disagree beacuse I couldn't disagree more with this post!!  But you seem very smart and nice and have every right to your opinion too!!