Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[sharon]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

This is from the original report in the June 21, 2005 AM Digital (I don't know how to post the whole pdf)

He did not show up at his job for two days

Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at Sabana Basora.
It was mrs. Y.C.H., 29 years old, who arrived home at Sabana Basora around 7:30 a.m. Saturday to find the house in a total mess and with signs of violence, including traces of blood. At observing the scene police said that the injured person could not be alive.
The man that should have been at that house could not be found anywhere, and his grey pick-up truck was not there either. Immediately alarm was sounded.
Police agents who arrived at the scene started a thorough search of the area and moments later discover the pick-up truck behind the Government cemetery in Sabana Basor. The beheaded body of Rene van Heyningen, who worked at the refinery, was found in the bushes not far from the vehicle.
Rene van Heyningen was born on Janaury 12, 1973 and resided at van Lennepstraat 17 in San Nicolas. So far, no detention has taken place in this case. According to the police, the house owner was heard as a possible witness.
We extend our deepest condolences to the bereaved family.

[GrannyToad]

I would say that the disrespect with which Greta vS (as well as their victim's family) has been treated by Aruba, lastly those childish Keystone Kops acts last year, told her all she needed to know about expectations from that bunch of criminal goons that don't need US Dollars and have no respect Americans.

[always 1]

Come on Edward, you excel in politics, work with me here.

[2NJSons_Mom]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

Not drama. It was reported that he was found Columbian necktie style...which indicated that the head was nearly off and the tongue pulled out to appear as a tie. Size has nothing to do with it.....it is much more......just like the suicides of which we have seen photos - with their hands in their pockets, or feet touching ground? A sunny place for shady people........

Love this........A sunny place for shady people........

[GrannyToad]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

Not drama. It was reported that he was found Columbian necktie style...which indicated that the head was nearly off and the tongue pulled out to appear as a tie. Size has nothing to do with it.....it is much more......just like the suicides of which we have seen photos - with their hands in their pockets, or feet touching ground? A sunny place for shady people........

It was reported that ...

I don't think so, but I could be wrong with this funky old memory. Speculated by bloggers for the drama seems morelike, to me.

[Lala'sMom]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

Great post Johan! Is this a journalist in Holland, a forum poster or what? Who is Micha Kat?

Micha's website > http://www.klokkenluideronline.nl/

Have you ever wondered what "details" Joran gave these neighbors?  Would this be the same neighbors that were disturbed all the time he lived next door?  Why would anyone want to ask if Joran told them anything...they might have to solve the case and jail the fair-haired child.

[Lala'sMom]

Mariloo
Just as a curiosity...who would be the person that alerted Aruba to Beth and Co. arrival that night?  Any ideas? TIA

[always 1]

And why was Air Force Two there without Mr. Chaney for two days??????

[bastibro]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

Great post Johan! Is this a journalist in Holland, a forum poster or what? Who is Micha Kat?

Micha's website > http://www.klokkenluideronline.nl/

Thanks Johan, i didn`t read that yet

[mariloo]

Mariloo
Just as a curiosity...who would be the person that alerted Aruba to Beth and Co. arrival that night?  Any ideas? TIA

I thought someone working at the airport.  Flights have to be scheduled, etc.  Also, I have thought someone at the Hotel may have alerted she is missing.

[sharon]

Love this........A sunny place for shady people........

That's on the back of the t-shirt I bought at Emerald Point on Greenwood Lake 

[Anna]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

Not drama. It was reported that he was found Columbian necktie style...which indicated that the head was nearly off and the tongue pulled out to appear as a tie. Size has nothing to do with it.....it is much more......just like the suicides of which we have seen photos - with their hands in their pockets, or feet touching ground? A sunny place for shady people........

It was reported that ...

I don't think so, but I could be wrong with this funky old memory. Speculated by bloggers for the drama seems morelike, to me.

I never saw any report of a Colombian necktie, either.  Was speculated that the wife might have had assistance from a lover perhaps but head was almost removed via machete or one speculation of a shovel.

Nothing fancy reported as fact that I ever saw either.

But as I say, things get more dramatic with repeating over the years it seems.

[always 1]

Ok, I will say one more thing about this and then I will hush.  2005, 124 HLW Cannisters. were shipped from France.  These, I believe are shipped thru the Caribbean. 

[mariloo]

I keep getting interrupted here.  I am on the job.  The nerve of some people.  They just don't know how important this website is to me.  Because of the commotion the night Beth arrived, it always appeared someone called PVDS and whoever else and let them know the posse is coming.  He hid and did not want to answer the door/gate.  I do not believe he had enough time to get the stories straight and dummy jvds just kept opening his mouth and inserting feet.  If jvds and pvds would have had a different demeanor, maybe be so upset and willing to leave the home immediately and go look for Natalee or let the police in and invite the family in and do everything possible to help, I may have been inclined to believe an accident happened only between jvds and Natalee.  Someone had made pvds very nervous before Beth arrived.  I do believe even though he was afraid of what was coming, he did not quite believe this would happen so fast or come down so hard.  He does not know how much we love our family and we will not give up.  That is all I am saying.  There has been so much evidence from so many people I have never heard of except here on this site.  I am not a detective, just a caring mother.  There are so many good detectives here.  I do not have a criminal mind and find it hard to think like one.

[bleachedblack]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

Not drama. It was reported that he was found Columbian necktie style...which indicated that the head was nearly off and the tongue pulled out to appear as a tie. Size has nothing to do with it.....it is much more......just like the suicides of which we have seen photos - with their hands in their pockets, or feet touching ground? A sunny place for shady people........

It was reported that ...

I don't think so, but I could be wrong with this funky old memory. Speculated by bloggers for the drama seems morelike, to me.

I never saw any report of a Colombian necktie, either.  Was speculated that the wife might have had assistance from a lover perhaps but head was almost removed via machete or one speculation of a shovel.

Nothing fancy reported as fact that I ever saw either.

But as I say, things get more dramatic with repeating over the years it seems.

No the article says machete so that was not speculation. I also know that the necktie part was very early- not something that developed "over the years". I have no vested interest in the guy having been killed neck tie or not.

[Anna]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

Hello My Dear Gran Toad,

The only thing I have added to our original research is the possibility of the DEA Agent Eric Williams having "gone native" or whatever we can call the expats who seem to have lost all allegiance to their own country in favor of Aruban tourism.  I think now he may have had a hand in tipping off someone.

Maybe Croes who in turn tipped off Sloots?

Remember September, 2007, Mos said three things prevented the investigation from going forward:  The U.S. media, the family and the DEA Agent.

I think he was a fox in the hen house sotaspeak.

Doesn't really change anything at all just would like to know more about this elusive person and any role he might have played in throwing the family off track right from the start as I have come to conclude that is exactly what he did.

Like Croes, he disappeared for a bit and I think the two of them were in collusion on the tip off of Sloots and maybe others as well.

Otherwise, I have seen very little that has actually convinced me of anything more than we knew from the get-go.

And that quote of Paulus being surprised that they arrived so soon is from Island Hopper who was trying to start a sort of novel or book about the situation, creative dialog.  Don't believe he ever said that, at least never heard it verified by Beth.

Otherwise, no changes from our first pinning down the first 72 hours as best we could so long ago.  After that, it didn't matter as the deed was long done.  Nothing could change what they had already done by the time Beth arrived.  Too late.

And it is what it is and just what it appears to be.

JMO, of course.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Love this........A sunny place for shady people........

That's on the back of the t-shirt I bought at Emerald Point on Greenwood Lake 

  

[MumInOhio]

I keep getting interrupted here.  I am on the job.  The nerve of some people.  They just don't know how important this website is to me.  Because of the commotion the night Beth arrived, it always appeared someone called PVDS and whoever else and let them know the posse is coming.  He hid and did not want to answer the door/gate.  I do not believe he had enough time to get the stories straight and dummy jvds just kept opening his mouth and inserting feet.  If jvds and pvds would have had a different demeanor, maybe be so upset and willing to leave the home immediately and go look for Natalee or let the police in and invite the family in and do everything possible to help, I may have been inclined to believe an accident happened only between jvds and Natalee.  Someone had made pvds very nervous before Beth arrived.  I do believe even though he was afraid of what was coming, he did not quite believe this would happen so fast or come down so hard.  He does not know how much we love our family and we will not give up.  That is all I am saying.  There has been so much evidence from so many people I have never heard of except here on this site.  I am not a detective, just a caring mother.  There are so many good detectives here.  I do not have a criminal mind and find it hard to think like one.

Hi Mariloo...I agree Paulus was tipped off. He came out with a phone in his hand...Still working through Charles Croes time-line for that night from when he was called by Eric Williams.

[johan555]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

Great post Johan! Is this a journalist in Holland, a forum poster or what? Who is Micha Kat?

Micha's website > http://www.klokkenluideronline.nl/

Thanks Johan, i didn`t read that yet

huh You Not ? 

[always 1]

Gosh, I am being totally ignored,...................................................................................