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klaasend
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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Reply #2540 on:
February 24, 2008, 01:06:21 AM »
Quote from: COLOMBO on February 23, 2008, 08:21:56 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s
fetid depths
.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the
fetid pool
of deception.
Fetid pool..
Moko near the Sloots?
Landfill?
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February 24, 2008, 01:13:00 AM »
Quote from: sirensong on February 23, 2008, 08:27:30 PM
You all may already have this, but came across it when searching one night. I believe it is a register of businesses that belong to the Aruba Chamber of Commerce? It lists the owner and the business address, and I have been checking it against the other list of businesses I posted. If nothing else, it is interesting to see the names on it. My hope is that it will be helpful to one of you smart Monkeys!
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm
http://www.visitaruba.com/business/directory/busdir.mv?search
Siren,
Yes , it is a useful tool.
Look up how many businesses Jossy owns.
Here is one for PVDS
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the trade name:
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Business address CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Date of commencement 1 JANUARY 2007
OWNERS/PARTNERS
ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Established at CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Position MANAGING PARTNER
Since 18 JANUARY 2007
Authority FULL
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Residing in MONTANJA 19, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING PARTNER
Effective 18 JANUARY 2007
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN ADVOCATENKANTOOR.
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
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Carlo, that name rings a bell.
Hi Mum.
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February 24, 2008, 01:25:23 AM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 23, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 22, 2008, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 22, 2008, 12:39:41 PM
It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect. He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them. It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information.
I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.
This is what I was trying to say...LOL...must be my accent...
Sister is a police officer. Their house was listed for sale as of 12/14/2007.(Yellow…just like the Gottenbos)
CROMVOIRT, Geoffry van - 19 years old, resident of Aruba, who was detained by ALE on 4-15-2006 in an unannounced connection to the Natalee Holloway case. He is the son of the owner of an island security company that supplies equipment and personnel to beach patrol and hotels. For more information see Who’s Who - Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families.
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van - owner & operator of VCB Security. Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands. Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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February 24, 2008, 01:30:08 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 24, 2008, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: COLOMBO on February 23, 2008, 08:21:56 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s
fetid depths
.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the
fetid pool
of deception.
Fetid pool..
Moko near the Sloots?
Landfill?
Joran = Arrested 6-9-05, released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid , under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”
Deepak = Arrested 6-9-05, released 7-4-05, under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” Re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of the primary criminal act of committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences, and even more alternately, raping somebody
Satish = Arrested 6-9-05 along with his brother Deepak, & Joran. Seemingly unemployed 18 year old citizen of Suriname under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.”
Paulus = Arrested 6-23-2005 around 2:15 pm, released 6-26-05. Suspicion of complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping
Guido = Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and heavy battery.
Geoffrey Cromvroit detained April 2006.
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February 24, 2008, 01:42:55 AM »
Quote from: sirensong on February 23, 2008, 03:33:09 AM
Is it possible "the lamb" in Shango's riddle is not Joran? Maybe they were going to make Guido the scapegoat. I find it VERY interesting that Paulus contacted him. And we KNOW it was not about Joran winning money, such an obvious lie. They were making it all up day by day. No wonder Joran was claiming his dad had a bad memory. Once Paulus was jailed, he was terrified Joran would say something that would incriminate him. Paulus knew what a big mouth, stupid punk his son was. He couldn't even believe or trust him. Yes, Paulus is the fifth suspect, waltzing away.
oran = Arrested 6-9-05, released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid , under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”
Deepak = Arrested 6-9-05, released 7-4-05, under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” Re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of the primary criminal act of committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences, and even more alternately, raping somebody
Satish = Arrested 6-9-05 along with his brother Deepak, & Joran. Seemingly unemployed 18 year old citizen of Suriname under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.”
Paulus = Arrested 6-23-2005 around 2:15 pm, released 6-26-05. Suspicion of complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping
GVC detained in April 2006.
Guido = Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and heavy battery.
Geoffrey Cromvroit detained April 2006 would make him 5th suspect if the two security guards are not counted and if they are you have anouther 5th suspect being Joran. So it would be my guess either way Joran and/or GVC are the 5th suspects and maybe just as culpable. jack blue
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Quote from: bleachedblack on February 22, 2008, 11:52:45 AM
Here is what I think......suspects were arrested. Witnesses were questioned, Guido later was charged, maybe making him a suspect in 2006. no? Anyway depending on if you include the security guards or not, and it seems S+S made few references to them therefore I think they weren't counted in the line-up. Paulus on the other hand was actually charged. So I think
1)Joran
2)Deepak
3)Satish
4) Steve Croes
5) PVDS
http://tinyurl.com/23wv9q
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
http://tinyurl.com/2x7vyu
Croes was more like a witness at the time wasn't he?
Joran
Depak
Satish
Palus
GVC April 06
Guido May 06
I thought that would be the way it went.
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February 24, 2008, 07:56:21 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 24, 2008, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: COLOMBO on February 23, 2008, 08:21:56 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s
fetid depths
.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the
fetid pool
of deception.
Fetid pool..
Moko near the Sloots?
Landfill?
Seek ye DirtyHand and the
Fetid Arawak King
who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.
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February 24, 2008, 07:57:42 AM »
off topic....somewhat:
http://www.amazon.com/Delivery-Man-Joe-McGinniss-Jr/dp/0802170420/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203857428&sr=8-1
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February 24, 2008, 08:57:32 AM »
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 23, 2008, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 23, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 23, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
Caps
....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA
Of course I don't mind Lala's...
Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
CAPS
Do you know who this person is?
Which one
Johny Erasmus:
Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard
Caps who is this and what does it mean? TIA
Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Book
P178
"Despite the fact that i stuck to the same statement for two and half months, i was interrogated many times per week."
Guards treated Joran very well but the interrogators did not. Every interrogation was recorded but sometimes they turned off the camera. One police officer hit him.
CHAPTER 14
Chapter 14 Slapped by the police
July 16,
The police arrived for a further interview. They ask if Joran would give a DNA sample. Although he does not have a problem with it, his parents and lawyer’s oppose the idea.
Joran takes the police on another walk-through outside the Marriott.
The police asked if this “Location indication” was truthful, Joran refused to answer.
Upon his return to jail, Joran was interrogated by a police officer
Boezem.
Boezem turned off the camera and began shouting at Joran. He grabbed Joran by the shirt.
Boezem
screamed that Joran was “a murderer.” “Everybody hates you”
Boezem
continued. “Your family hates you. Nobody believes you. Your whole family and your lawyers should be locked up since they all know the truth.”
At this point Joran tells Boezem to f*** off at which point, Boezem slaps Joran across the forehead with his bare hand, causing Joran to fall off the chair.
Page 210 -212.
The assault left a mark. Two guards reported the incident and a social worker called a doctor to visit Joran and make a report.
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Lala'sMom
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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Reply #2549 on:
February 24, 2008, 10:50:18 AM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 24, 2008, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 23, 2008, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 23, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 23, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
Caps
....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA
Of course I don't mind Lala's...
Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
CAPS
Do you know who this person is?
Which one
Johny Erasmus:
Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard
Caps who is this and what does it mean? TIA
Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Book
P178
"Despite the fact that i stuck to the same statement for two and half months, i was interrogated many times per week."
Guards treated Joran very well but the interrogators did not. Every interrogation was recorded but sometimes they turned off the camera. One police officer hit him.
CHAPTER 14
Chapter 14 Slapped by the police
July 16,
The police arrived for a further interview. They ask if Joran would give a DNA sample. Although he does not have a problem with it, his parents and lawyer’s oppose the idea.
Joran takes the police on another walk-through outside the Marriott.
The police asked if this “Location indication” was truthful, Joran refused to answer.
Upon his return to jail, Joran was interrogated by a police officer
Boezem.
Boezem turned off the camera and began shouting at Joran. He grabbed Joran by the shirt.
Boezem
screamed that Joran was “a murderer.” “Everybody hates you”
Boezem
continued. “Your family hates you. Nobody believes you. Your whole family and your lawyers should be locked up since they all know the truth.”
At this point Joran tells Boezem to f*** off at which point, Boezem slaps Joran across the forehead with his bare hand, causing Joran to fall off the chair.
Page 210 -212.
The assault left a mark. Two guards reported the incident and a social worker called a doctor to visit Joran and make a report.
And look at what was happening during this timeframe...
Bozeman has interviewed Joran's girlfriend..Flor and Koen Gottenbos. Steve Croes was arrested the next day...it fits with the other stuff. Someone was telling a different story than Joran...again.
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Lala'sMom
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February 24, 2008, 10:56:37 AM »
According to the Timeline of the Dr. Phil documents...Bozeman questioned Koen several times after...there is something about what Koen was saying in contrast to what Joran was saying. Of course, this is from Joran's perspective...so you have to read between the lines...if Bozeman didn't whack the sporter he will next time he gets the chance.
I think Sander and Koen were being implicated with this boat story that Joran had already told certain people...Jacobs and Straten...they were not saying anything and just letting the lower ALE carry on as if nothing was known. Joran was trying to make Bozeman look bad in his book..but he just made me think what did Bozeman do that made Joran so nervous...I really should just take things at face value...I guess. MOO
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February 24, 2008, 11:04:10 AM »
Finbar wrote;
Quote
Siren,
Yes , it is a useful tool.
Look up how many businesses Jossy owns.
Here is one for PVDS
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the trade name:
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Business address CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Date of commencement 1 JANUARY 2007
OWNERS/PARTNERS
ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Established at CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Position MANAGING PARTNER
Since 18 JANUARY 2007
Authority FULL
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Residing in MONTANJA 19, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING PARTNER
Effective 18 JANUARY 2007
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN ADVOCATENKANTOOR.
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
=====
Carlo, that name rings a bell.
Hi Mum.
Fin
I think that is the law partnership Paulus joined in with Carlo.
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Reply #2552 on:
February 24, 2008, 11:12:30 AM »
Quote from: jackb on February 24, 2008, 01:51:30 AM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 22, 2008, 11:52:45 AM
Here is what I think......suspects were arrested. Witnesses were questioned, Guido later was charged, maybe making him a suspect in 2006. no? Anyway depending on if you include the security guards or not, and it seems S+S made few references to them therefore I think they weren't counted in the line-up. Paulus on the other hand was actually charged. So I think
1)Joran
2)Deepak
3)Satish
4) Steve Croes
5) PVDS
http://tinyurl.com/23wv9q
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
http://tinyurl.com/2x7vyu
Croes was more like a witness at the time wasn't he?
Joran
Depak
Satish
Palus
GVC April 06
Guido May 06
I thought that would be the way it went.
I personally think Croes was more than a witness.....afterall he was jailed for more than a week. I know why he says he was brought in by ALE, but I have quoted it before ......
the reason he was brought in was because of statements by one of the 3 perps and this was said by jan van der straaten. This makes sense, not the fact that he "overheard a conversation" at the internet cafe. or that he saw 3 people arguing on the beach and had to go tell ALE (another line he once gave). MOO
As for the order of the suspects......your guess is as good as mine....
++++++
>>>>SNIP
Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told the AP Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.
http://tinyurl.com/2ljs2v
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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Reply #2553 on:
February 24, 2008, 11:21:30 AM »
Quote from: COLOMBO on February 23, 2008, 08:21:56 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s
fetid depths
.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the
fetid pool
of deception.
fetid depths/ fetid pool = corruption
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more than anything ...... watch the edges that blur"
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Reply #2554 on:
February 24, 2008, 11:22:53 AM »
Quote from: jackb on February 24, 2008, 01:51:30 AM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 22, 2008, 11:52:45 AM
Here is what I think......suspects were arrested. Witnesses were questioned, Guido later was charged, maybe making him a suspect in 2006. no? Anyway depending on if you include the security guards or not, and it seems S+S made few references to them therefore I think they weren't counted in the line-up. Paulus on the other hand was actually charged. So I think
1)Joran
2)Deepak
3)Satish
4) Steve Croes
5) PVDS
http://tinyurl.com/23wv9q
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
http://tinyurl.com/2x7vyu
Croes was more like a witness at the time wasn't he?
Joran
Depak
Satish
Palus
GVC April 06
Guido May 06
I thought that would be the way it went.
Well, if you read the news reports and the comments from the FP posters in Aruba at the time. It is clear that Croes was a suspect in some way. Simian is talking about a 5th person long before the April 6 and May 6 dates...so it has to be someone other than GVC or Guido. As I said, there was a person detained as a witness, but in Aruba it seems suspect and witness is interchanged. To me the only person that fits the suspect status is Steve or Paulus at the time...but...we still don't have a clear picture about Freddy during all this. Not to mention there is another person that even Checkme...and Aruban poster...was talking about...Lorenzo. Again...little to go on as proof. So there remains a lot of confusion. I do understand your thinking along this line. More input please.
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February 24, 2008, 11:26:15 AM »
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 23, 2008, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 23, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 23, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
Caps
....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA
Of course I don't mind Lala's...
Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
CAPS
Do you know who this person is?
Which one
Johny Erasmus:
Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard
Caps no way Erasmus works with Sonesta. He was ALE and taking statements from this guy Sanches. He and Bozeman were both ALE. Please recheck your sources. TIA
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Lala's
In case you miss my post on the LCD, I posted the
GVC / dad interview
, under it's own topic (under Natalee, a little below this thread).
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Shango's "lamb" is Joran...lambdersloot...lamb ran bleating...lamb will be sacrifice to appease cowboys.
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 24, 2008, 10:56:37 AM
According to the Timeline of the Dr. Phil documents...Bozeman questioned Koen several times after...there is something about what Koen was saying in contrast to what Joran was saying. Of course, this is from Joran's perspective...so you have to read between the lines...if Bozeman didn't whack the sporter he will next time he gets the chance.
I think Sander and Koen were being implicated with this boat story that Joran had already told certain people...Jacobs and Straten...they were not saying anything and just letting the lower ALE carry on as if nothing was known. Joran was trying to make Bozeman look bad in his book..but he just made me think what did Bozeman do that made Joran so nervous...
I really should just take things at face value
...I guess. MOO
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In my opinion, nothing that comes out of Aruba should be taken at face value ... I think that is why Simian and maybe Shango were posting the things they were. You have done an outstanding job not only in unraveling some of their messages, but in keeping it all in perspective to what facts are known. Thanks!!!
Chata
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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I don't know Chata...what do you think? If you are looking for hard evidence in this thread your are in the wrong place. We have tried to put as much fact as we can find with what is being said...but most of the time it is speculation on our part...then again most everything in this forum relies on someone's speculation. Shango is cryptic...Simian a little less.
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