Haleigh Marie Cummings #18 8/6/09 - 8/30/09

[no rose colored glasses]

Don't almost everyone have somekind of record?    I'll bet her brother does, is he the one with animal offenses or his dad?

[cookie]

I think that Hank C., Misty's dad looks a bit shady and like he has a temper...anyone else have an opinion on him?

[no rose colored glasses]

I think that Hank C., Misty's dad looks a bit shady and like he has a temper...anyone else have an opinion on him?

They all do    I know one or two of them have somekind of offenses against animals, or hunting, something like that, because at the time I read about that, I was upset.

[Tams]

This is my view on the blood, deer and van:

They say there is a little bit of truth in a lie according to the guests on TV shows.

Did Misty see Haleigh as the "deer"?   Is she referring to the blood, deer and van, referring to the child?

Did someone run over Haleigh?  Was Misty was trying to tell the story without committing herself.

It is my opinion the blood, "seeing the deer put into the van", perhaps, was not the deer, instead, possibily the child.

Does anyone remember Casey Anthony's version of the squirrel being scraped off the car?

Good Morning Monkeys!

Wow - what a great post! Many items in there that really got me thinking . . . The highlighted statement I think is especially true, and we should probably keep that in mind, as Misty is clearly piling lie on top of lie. Excellent point.

How very interesting  - your thoughts about the deer - especially given the juxtaposition of the words 'deer' and 'dear'. Made me go "hmmmmmm" . . . and the comparison to Casey Anthony and the squirrel is so powerful. Wow.

Following you out of the box, then - expanding on your thoughts a bit - what if there really was a deer, which means they had been hunting, right? Dick Cheney surely showed us all that hunting accidents CAN happen! A gun misfire, Haleigh running into line of fire, one of those hillbillies thinking they would teach Haleigh how to fire a gun . . . all perhaps scenarios of a hunting accident?

So much to think about!

[no rose colored glasses]

That's all very interesting, I will say that deer story and the blood in the van just popped out of nowhere. One thing that stuck out to me was the deer in the van, I'm going to guess that deer was in there, because he illegally killed it, I see no other reason to have a bleeding, dead deer in the van. Most hunters that I have been familiar with when younger and growing up where hunting season happened the dead deer was tied down on the car  I still have nightmares about that.

[Tams]

I was just getting ready for work and thinking about what Misty said in her tests about the fact that when she was first laying down to go to sleep, that Jr. crawled over her and headed for the bathroom door, she said she didnt pay it asny mind and just went on to sleep because he did this sometimes,  now I wonder, just how long did Jr. stay up? did he open the door and let someone in?  was Haleigh gone when he came back to bed?
  I can see where the LE is having problems with all this, Misty seems to be throwing so much other stuff in that has to be answered and throw suspition in other directions, like why did she have to wash her blanket if only Haleighs smelled like pee? why wait until that late at night to wash them? Did her brother come inside the house while she stayed outside with the kids, maybe to use the bathroom and he unlocked that backdoor, knowing that Misty would be out later and he could come back in? Why did he come over there to begin with, for money? to bring her drugs? to tell her where she could get drugs? or just a brotherly visit?  Why did the cousin Joe want to leave as soon as all this happened, or was he already planning on leaving anyway? And just who scratched up that darn van, is it just a coinsident that it happened on this same night or was it used to make HaLeigh dissapear?

This story is really too far fetched and with so many roads leading off to no where no wonder this case is taking forever to solve!

Wow - so many great thoughts this morning! Both of the above scenarios (highlighted by me) involving brother Hank are extremely interesting indeed . . . and, agreed - the scratched van is just weighing awfully heavily here, isn't it? Don't think we should ignore that tidbit . . .

[no rose colored glasses]

The van scratches, and those darn blankets   

[Tams]

I think that Hank C., Misty's dad looks a bit shady and like he has a temper...anyone else have an opinion on him?

Refresh me, Cookie - was he the lovely gentleman who sat through a scheduled interview in his home with sunglasses, no shirt on, and scratching himself? Bleckkk.

Who in the he!! lets their daughter drop out of school in the 7th grade in this, the 21st century America? I have absolutely NO respect for any parent who does that. JMHO.

[Tams]

The van scratches, and those darn blankets   

Yes ma'am! Exactly.

[Searching]

snip from NRCG:

I will have to agree with you. And one other thing, that I don't want anyone to take the wrong way, because it is a terrible and serious topic. But I really wonder if Misty was abused by any family member? Is she just saying this for sympathy, or to get family members in trouble. It would be horrific either way, if it really happened, or she is making it all up. I just don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie...I have said this same thing before today, that I was skeptical if her allegations were even true....my one question that I asked in the past was if her cousin Joe had really molested her in the past, why is she and the family still friendly with him? IIRC,  supposedly he had even visited her the evening that Haleigh went missing...now if someone in the past had "messed" with you...would you allow them into your home when you are there alone with 2 little kids? I don't believe anything that she might say if it was to her advantage to lie..
I almost posted what you said today myself...minds thinking alike and all that heh?

Hello monkeys!

Well, then - that makes 3 of us all thinking the same thing, then . . . I have found myself wondering the same, but feeling perhaps a bit guilty for thinking it - somehow it doesn't sit right to say one doesn't believe a rape victim, does it? But it makes absolutely NO sense to me that she would maintain ties with her attackers if it were true - no way! And like you both said: she had Joe over at her house with the kids there, and Hank says he saw the kids pretty much daily . . . I don't think so. Interesting how the list keeps growing of those who have "messed with her" . . . constant excuses for the mess that is her life . .  . just like all of her other lies keep accumulating as she tries to dig herself out of this giant mess she has gotten herself into. She may be "street smart", but she is emotionally VERY immature. (Her emotional maturity and education levels are probably very similar, IMO).

4 I posted about it earlier today myself.........she wants us to believe she's been molested by 3 different people So not buying it. My son was a victim at age three as most know, and I was told by the psychologist and rape crisis center that he would have a very strong intuition about people who "aren't right" IYKWIM and he has a very heightened sense of aawareness and is super cautious.

Well I for one will not jump out there and say that she is lying.  That dysfunctional drug infested family, I would not put it pass them.

I worked with a woman that had been molested by two different stepfathers and an uncle when she was a young girl. She  had no choice but to continue to be around them, because when she informed her mother about one of them, her mother did not believe her and became upset with her.

I wonder just why Misty was not sent, made to go to school.

Everyone does not react or respond the same. Everyone does not have the state of mind to seek assistance of a psychologist and rape crisis center.


Mothers of incest survivors: another side of the story - Google Books Result

of family dysfunction that is handed down from one generation to the next, ... Diane was molested by an uncle and an older brother but said she chose to

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8hC2sqbsDwC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=family+dysfunction+and+molestation&source=bl&ots=xUpVD6IOTM&sig=eWtn2TYzVeB0l9dqz88iskJ_wIs&hl=en&ei=6gGaSujaD6rxnQecwfmVCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Well, I AM the mother of an incest victim..............and he is hypersensitive to men and I was told by everyone I spoke with over those 3yrs of hell if he would be more suseptible to this now and their statement s were absolutely not, he would be more aware and proetective of himself and that has shown to be true for the past 6 yrs.

As well as I am the mother of a son that endured a brutal rape when he was 3 and the specialists he went to told me that children at that age forget the act after time if it is not being talked about constantly, They heal and they grow and forget,and as brutal as his was,he did forget until a family member mentioned it in front of him and little bits have been coming back to him unfortunately. I was the one that had the difficulties forgetting and getting over the over whelming need to castrate someone.

I also am an incest survivor myself,who had parents that would not believe what my 2 brothers were doing,even though we were ran out of a town because they did the same to 2 little girls from an childrens home that butted up to the woods. My mother called me terrible names for a 5 year old to hear,my father well, he did the same,called me names and hit me for the smallest things. I ended up finally spending some of my teen years in foster care. I ended up being the one reporting one of those brothers  missing for my father as an adult,and handling that for dad. I was sent back home 5 times because CPS was told my brothers no longer lived in the home, well, they did. Today, people can talk to me, see me and never know what I have been through,but that does not make it any less real. I have just forgiven and moved on in life,as has my son and you can not tell he went through what he did either. He is a normal outgoing 20 year old married man.If not for his health issue, he would be out having a great time meeting people,how ever, he is not able to at this time, but before he started having this problem, he did meet knew people and was in marching band , played the sax and had many many friends.

What I am trying to say is please do not discount that Misty was molested,you can not tell by looking at a person and hearing a tape. We do not wear tags saying we were victims so you can not just look and say someone is lying.

[no rose colored glasses]

I think that Hank C., Misty's dad looks a bit shady and like he has a temper...anyone else have an opinion on him?

Refresh me, Cookie - was he the lovely gentleman who sat through a scheduled interview in his home with sunglasses, no shirt on, and scratching himself? Bleckkk.

Who in the he!! lets their daughter drop out of school in the 7th grade in this, the 21st century America? I have absolutely NO respect for any parent who does that. JMHO.

All I can say is I don't know 

[Searching]

I think that Hank C., Misty's dad looks a bit shady and like he has a temper...anyone else have an opinion on him?

Refresh me, Cookie - was he the lovely gentleman who sat through a scheduled interview in his home with sunglasses, no shirt on, and scratching himself? Bleckkk.

Who in the he!! lets their daughter drop out of school in the 7th grade in this, the 21st century America? I have absolutely NO respect for any parent who does that. JMHO.

errr Tams, my parents did, in the seventh grade as a matter of fact, I went back and dropped back out at the end of eighth grade.
I obtained my GED and have some college experience as well.

[Tams]

Please forgive my ignorance. monkeys - but I am a bit confused about something . . .   

Misty has 2 brothers - Tommy and Hank Jr.? I know Hank Jr. was the one involved in the fight, who Misty supposedly called for help. But which one was taken in for questioning yesterday? I saw the video with Hank Jr. whining that he didn't know why Misty is accusing him, he sees the kids every day, he's only tried to help his sister, etc. But I keep reading the name 'Tommy' in reports as well. . . And which one owns the van? Ugh - sorry . . . TIA.

[no rose colored glasses]

I am very sorry for what you and your son endured  I don't know anything really on this subject, I brought it up, rather as another way to look at it. I have no idea if Misty was sexually abused by a brother and cousin, but if she was not I also would hate for someone to look at both of them as molesters, and treat them differently because of it. It is probably rare, but some people do lie and say horrible things like that to ruin another's reputation, and to me that is very wrong. But again, I don't know about Misty, but what I do see is a girl that has had one heck of a bad time growing up, and for that I don't like to see that with anyone. Maybe her parents if they cared for her more would have pushed for at least a high school graduation, I do believe that Misty latched on to Ron for a roof over her head, food, and other various things.

[no rose colored glasses]

Please forgive my ignorance. monkeys - but I am a bit confused about something . . .   

Misty has 2 brothers - Tommy and Hank Jr.? I know Hank Jr. was the one involved in the fight, who Misty supposedly called for help. But which one was taken in for questioning yesterday? I saw the video with Hank Jr. whining that he didn't know why Misty is accusing him, he sees the kids every day, he's only tried to help his sister, etc. But I keep reading the name 'Tommy' in reports as well. . . And which one owns the van? Ugh - sorry . . . TIA.

Tommy is Hank Jr. Timmy is the other brother that lives further away. I think Tommy/Hank Jr owns the van and was letting Timmy and his wife borrow it   

[Searching]

I am very sorry for what you and your son endured  I don't know anything really on this subject, I brought it up, rather as another way to look at it. I have no idea if Misty was sexually abused by a brother and cousin, but if she was not I also would hate for someone to look at both of them as molesters, and treat them differently because of it. It is probably rare, but some people do lie and say horrible things like that to ruin another's reputation, and to me that is very wrong. But again, I don't know about Misty, but what I do see is a girl that has had one heck of a bad time growing up, and for that I don't like to see that with anyone. Maybe her parents if they cared for her more would have pushed for at least a high school graduation, I do believe that Misty latched on to Ron for a roof over her head, food, and other various things.

I think she latched on to Ron to get away from her family... JMO. When you are in a bad situation (home life) young and not really taught much of anything, sometimes you do go from a bad situation(home) to worse, just to get away from the family you love that betrayed you. Make sense?

[no rose colored glasses]

I am very sorry for what you and your son endured  I don't know anything really on this subject, I brought it up, rather as another way to look at it. I have no idea if Misty was sexually abused by a brother and cousin, but if she was not I also would hate for someone to look at both of them as molesters, and treat them differently because of it. It is probably rare, but some people do lie and say horrible things like that to ruin another's reputation, and to me that is very wrong. But again, I don't know about Misty, but what I do see is a girl that has had one heck of a bad time growing up, and for that I don't like to see that with anyone. Maybe her parents if they cared for her more would have pushed for at least a high school graduation, I do believe that Misty latched on to Ron for a roof over her head, food, and other various things.

I think she latched on to Ron to get away from her family... JMO. When you are in a bad situation (home life) young and not really taught much of anything, sometimes you do go from a bad situation(home) to worse, just to get away from the family you love that betrayed you. Make sense?

Makes sense, and it is very sad to me.

[Tams]

I think that Hank C., Misty's dad looks a bit shady and like he has a temper...anyone else have an opinion on him?

Refresh me, Cookie - was he the lovely gentleman who sat through a scheduled interview in his home with sunglasses, no shirt on, and scratching himself? Bleckkk.

Who in the he!! lets their daughter drop out of school in the 7th grade in this, the 21st century America? I have absolutely NO respect for any parent who does that. JMHO.

errr Tams, my parents did, in the seventh grade as a matter of fact, I went back and dropped back out at the end of eighth grade.
I obtained my GED and have some college experience as well.

Wow, Searching - I did not know that. I apologize profusely if I offended you in any way - was absolutely NOT my intention. And I admire you for going back and completing your education. What a great example you set for kids like Misty.

I just know with Misty, she left school just 5 years ago - that would have been 2004-ish. It is so had for me to fathom that happening in our country today.

Most of the monkeys that I have conversed with here are parents of older/grown children or grandparents even - so I guess that I just take for granted that everyone here is 'over 40' - LOL.

[Tams]

As well as I am the mother of a son that endured a brutal rape when he was 3 and the specialists he went to told me that children at that age forget the act after time if it is not being talked about constantly, They heal and they grow and forget,and as brutal as his was,he did forget until a family member mentioned it in front of him and little bits have been coming back to him unfortunately. I was the one that had the difficulties forgetting and getting over the over whelming need to castrate someone.

I also am an incest survivor myself,who had parents that would not believe what my 2 brothers were doing,even though we were ran out of a town because they did the same to 2 little girls from an childrens home that butted up to the woods. My mother called me terrible names for a 5 year old to hear,my father well, he did the same,called me names and hit me for the smallest things. I ended up finally spending some of my teen years in foster care. I ended up being the one reporting one of those brothers  missing for my father as an adult,and handling that for dad. I was sent back home 5 times because CPS was told my brothers no longer lived in the home, well, they did. Today, people can talk to me, see me and never know what I have been through,but that does not make it any less real. I have just forgiven and moved on in life,as has my son and you can not tell he went through what he did either. He is a normal outgoing 20 year old married man.If not for his health issue, he would be out having a great time meeting people,how ever, he is not able to at this time, but before he started having this problem, he did meet knew people and was in marching band , played the sax and had many many friends.

What I am trying to say is please do not discount that Misty was molested,you can not tell by looking at a person and hearing a tape. We do not wear tags saying we were victims so you can not just look and say someone is lying.

Searching - I had not seen that you had posted even earlier - am just now finding this.

I am so very sorry for what you have had to endure in your life. No one should have to live through such horrors - and that is surely what brings so many of us to these boards - wanting to help and put an end to it. I do admire you tremendously, not only for completing your education, but now I also know for making it through such a difficult life. Your insight can surely help to shed a very real light on so many of these cases because of your life experiences. Thank you for sharing where you are coming from - that took a lot of courage. I post this with great respect.

[Kat_Gram]

I thought that Misty's brothers were ok boys. I don't recall either one of them having records. Hank Jr. works the drywalling business with his dad and Tommy seemed like a young guy who was in love with his wife and kids.
Maybe not the best educated, but compared to Ron, they seemed like good boys.
There was Ms. Neves's brother who looked like a scary dude ( to me )but he had just hunting violations, which up here and in Satsuma are not the crimes of the century.