Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[caesu]

Hi all- Do we know the airline here, so that I or anyone else will never fly it ever again. Personally, any airline that allows people to smoke in the bathrooms openly and without penalty is too unsafe to fly with. Note here - terrorist groups now know that the screening is flawed on this airline and the flight crews can be compromised. Also if you have stock in this airline you should sell. Sorry but todays world doesn't allow for these kind of choices on airplanes.

you are very right.
this is a security breach for this airline.
especially because they wanted to cover it up to protect Joran.
thanks the the employee whistleblower who contacted Peter R. de Vries we know this now.

but it is only reported that Joran was caught with a joint.
possibly a pre-rolled one. it doesn't say that he was caught smoking it.
or i understood it wrong.
whatever it is, he smuggled some drugs on board, and that is already a security breach.
if he had matches or a lighter as well it is worse.

but for the airline staff to cover this up it is much worse.
they could have not let him of the airplane and let him fly back to the airport were they came from.

don't know which airline it is. KLM is expensive for the Bangkok route.
if he flew via Hong Kong it is most likely Cathay Pacific.

[San]

Why would Joran ever think he could take drugs on an airplane to Thailand?  Why would he actually do it?
Joran can tell the world he got rid of Natalee's body" not sure if she was dead".
He lies to everyone including ALE
He does drugs ,He steals from friends
BECAUSE HE CAN
GRRRRRRR

Joran is like MC Hammer  "You can't touch this".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4

[Observer]

Maybe I jumped to conclusion but ... why would the airline employee have contacted Derives.  I suspect it was at Joran's request.

Something is not right.   Devries is suppose to be Natalee Holloway's advocate.

Janet

I agree something isn't right.  But then again Janet we usually agree.

I will say this.  There is a plan in place.  I just don't know what the plan is yet but it will eventually click.  I will just watch this ridiculous game being played out.  This game started the day Joran threw the wine in Peter Devies face.

You guys already know I agree with you 1000% percent...I just wanted to state that again because I don't comment on all of Janets great posts 

[Peaches]

Peter De Vries is absolutely powerless to do anything if this is all true. It has to be a connection with the Dutch Govt 

I think Peter is just the reporter here.  I mean that is his job, right?  Getting worked up over this and blaming Peter seems a tad misdirected.  He just reported what he was told.  There are bigger fish to fry.

I seriously doubt that everyone who sets foot on an airplane, particularly overseas where in many places people get on with domestic animals as carry on, and then gets caught burning one in the bathroom goes to jail.  Doesn't happen.  Too much paperwork for everyone involved.  I'm sure there are exceptions.  I just don't think Peter is the villian in this little story.

[SS]

Unfortunately, I have very little faith in anything that is connected to Patrick or Peter.  Patrick bashed SM and said terrible things to us individually and as a group when we objected to the email that he sent us about stopping the Aruba boycott.  Peter allowed Patrick to go on the famous video presentation and claim that he had recently met Joran in a Dutch casino.  Yet, we saw the newspaper article where Patrick and Joran had actually met several years earlier when they were involved in water sports at the water sports company owned by Patrick's brother.  I just really doubt that someone found Joran's passport and photocopied it.  Patrick's credibility and popularity have taken a big hit lately. He had some very negative publicity in Aruba when the Castro tape revealed that he was only involved with the Holloway case for the money and that he had known Joran.  I smell a publicity stunt,  Even Joran is not stupid enough to light matches or a joint in an airplane bathroom.  He flies frequently and he knows the international air regulations.  I don't know how he would have even been able to carry matches through security and I can't imagine the Dutch government sticking their necks out to protect him over a drug bust in Thailand.  They'd probably be happy to have him locked up in a Bangkok jail for a few years and off the streets of the Netherlands.  My other observation is that if Joran had recently completed rehab at a Dutch clinic, it obviously didn't work.  Patrick's book is soon to be released.  The publishers have begun taking advanced orders.  This is great publicity for the book which in turn puts money in Patrick's pocket and as some of us believe, Joran's pocket, too. 

[Peaches]

Why would Joran ever think he could take drugs on an airplane to Thailand?  Why would he actually do it?
Joran can tell the world he got rid of Natalee's body" not sure if she was dead".
He lies to everyone including ALE
He does drugs ,He steals from friends
BECAUSE HE CAN
GRRRRRRR

A very astute observation, Blonde.  I agree, Joran is like a dog licking it's own nuts.  He does it because HE CAN.

There's a great Lewis Grizzard story on this subject.  I laugh every time.  But I digress.....

[caesu]

maybe in airplane he realized that he had some weed in his wallet left.
and tried to flush it through the toilet. there he got caught somewhere.

on flights from Amsterdam to countries with especially harsh drugs penalties the border police they check your wallets if you might have some weed left in there and remove that for you.
some kind of service for really dumb people.

[Observer]

Normally they have to bring someone with drugs  to the airport police !

Yes ofcourse they would! This was a international flight and rest assured that airlines has strict security procedures. I seriously doubt it was the actions of the staff of the airlines that made there own decision to protect Joran,he dropped a name and they called him.MO It's very easy to sneak a joint on a plane and matches and I suspect he was caught smoking it during the long flight. Better to smoke it then he thought then get caught with it at the Thai airport! Not sure how else he would have gotten caught unless he dropped it while walking on the plane which I doubt.

Great post SS!!

[Peaches]

If it's Tuesday, it's Deadliest Catch nite.  Means I have to scoot.  I love that show.  Double header starting at 8 with a new one at 9.  It doesn't get better than this.

Love you all. 

Justice for Natalee.   

[AZSunny]

Peter De Vries is absolutely powerless to do anything if this is all true. It has to be a connection with the Dutch Govt 

I think Peter is just the reporter here.  I mean that is his job, right?  Getting worked up over this and blaming Peter seems a tad misdirected.  He just reported what he was told.  There are bigger fish to fry.

I seriously doubt that everyone who sets foot on an airplane, particularly overseas where in many places people get on with domestic animals as carry on, and then gets caught burning one in the bathroom goes to jail.  Doesn't happen.  Too much paperwork for everyone involved.  I'm sure there are exceptions.  I just don't think Peter is the villian in this little story.

[caesu]

i just hope some Thai put some heroine in his luggage on the way back.
then he becomes a tourist attraction in the Bangkok Hilton.
and we can throw insults at him all day while he sits there in his tiny cage.
 

[hotping]

Why would Joran ever think he could take drugs on an airplane to Thailand?  Why would he actually do it?
Joran can tell the world he got rid of Natalee's body" not sure if she was dead".
He lies to everyone including ALE
He does drugs ,He steals from friends
BECAUSE HE CAN
GRRRRRRR

A very astute observation, Blonde.  I agree, Joran is like a dog licking it's own nuts.  He does it because HE CAN.

There's a great Lewis Grizzard story on this subject.  I laugh every time.  But I digress.....

Peaches I just love this post.....My Dad would have loved it too if He were still around I can hear Him laughing all the way from above!


Have a Nice Evening! 

[texasmom]

Peter De Vries is absolutely powerless to do anything if this is all true. It has to be a connection with the Dutch Govt 

I think Peter is just the reporter here.  I mean that is his job, right?  Getting worked up over this and blaming Peter seems a tad misdirected.  He just reported what he was told.  There are bigger fish to fry.

I seriously doubt that everyone who sets foot on an airplane, particularly overseas where in many places people get on with domestic animals as carry on, and then gets caught burning one in the bathroom goes to jail.  Doesn't happen.  Too much paperwork for everyone involved.  I'm sure there are exceptions.  I just don't think Peter is the villian in this little story.

I agree Peaches, I think some have probably misunderstood what took place!  Straighten it out, please.......!
 

[AZSunny]

By the way, in the US now you can carry a lighter on board with you.  You have always been allowed to carry matches as long as they were in a fold over type container.  Not stick matches.

Do any of the planes in Europe allow smoking on the planes?  I thought some still did. 

[klaasend]

Still walking around in a fog so these pics may have already been posted:

[ldstlou]

Still walking around in a fog so these pics may have already been posted:

Klaas!! Good to see you!! Two Monkeys out of the hospital...one to go!!

[caesu]

Still walking around in a fog so these pics may have already been posted:

welcome back. and get well soon!!

[Tamikosmom]

Maybe I jumped to conclusion but ... why would the airline employee have contacted Derives.  I suspect it was at Joran's request.

Something is not right.   Devries is suppose to be Natalee Holloway's advocate.

Janet

I agree something isn't right.  But then again Janet we usually agree.

I will say this.  There is a plan in place.  I just don't know what the plan is yet but it will eventually click.  I will just watch this ridiculous game being played out.  This game started the day Joran threw the wine in Peter Devies face.

San ... it is weird how our mind our in sync regarding issue encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.

I was not suspicious of the wine throwing incident until the phone interview with Joran which took place one day prior to the airing of the Devries video recording.

Something did not set right.  When you consider Joran's anger issues why was he not furious at the betrayal of his friend?  Why was Joran not furious at Peter Devries?

Then when his words implying that everything he said could be proven to be lies.  I had a gut feeling at that moment that Joran knew he was being taped.

Joran has no concerned regarding the impending airing of the video recording.

Then when Joran's father talking to Hans Mos about security for him.  Han's Mos is the prosecutor ... he is Natalee's advocate.  Since when does the prosecutor provide protection for the suspect.  Then lo and behold ... the prosector's office gives a press release in defence of Joran in regards to all the attention being focused on him and ... emphatically states that Joran would be provided protection if necessary.  I find this very strange coming from the prosecutor's office and ... not from the ALE.

Who in the Aruban investigation is speaking on behalf of Natalee Holloway ... obvious not those within the prosecutor's office?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Question: How did this all happen, with this so called confession.

Joran: Yes, I did say something to someone I should not have said, it's a story to someone I have know for a while.

Question: How long have you known him?

Joran: about 6 months.

Question:  What did you tell him:

Joran:  Yes, well everyone will see it this Sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing, and it's kinda sad that they brought the mother over here and that they told her, but we'll see it all.

Question: Is it now not right to say right now what you said, and why it is that what you said is not true.

Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don't say anything.

Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran, Yes, that's what I said.

Question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.

Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

Question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

Question: Do you think you will be arrested again?

JJoran:  No, I don't think so. Maybe it could be, they have arrested me before for less than this, but I have been tricked.

Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

Question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.

Question: but we've heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.

Question: what kind of boy is he?

Joran: You see, I don't know what they are going to show this sunday, but this is a boy, he's an older man, I met him, and we've met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him, and I, ha ha ha, just told him what he wanted to hear,

Question: but how did you not know then that he was not honest, that you told him just what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Yes well, he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself, some of these things he did do,

Question: example?

Joran: I don't want to give an example, I don't want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me. (loose translation)

Question: yes with a hidden microphone and a hidden camera, you never noticed that, it would seem.

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

Question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that's just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

Question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

Question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all. I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now. I don't know what the OM is thinking. I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

Question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?

Joran: I don't know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it's only about security.

Question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

Joran: No

Question: Because, Mr Mos has said, this is the missing part, your confession.

Joran: Yes, it's very (vervelend) nasty but what I said was not true, and they can found out if it's true or not.

Question: So you did not go with Natalee in a boat into the water and put her in the water?

Joran: No of course not.

Question: That did not happen for sure?

Joran: No,

Question: And how can we find out that that is not true, as you say?

Joran: Yes, I don't know, it has to do with that person, that after two and a half years with that person, that's not possible.  (Joran talks in half sentences here) No, I, it's just been very stupid.

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.

Question: Joran, but now for all the people that are now thinking, Joran vd Sloot has lied from the beginning , and we talked around this table with Peter de Vries, and now it seems like again he lied again to someone else, why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

Question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening ...

Question: will you consider to come to our program the next day to give your reaction?

Joran: I don't know, I think for myself I don't want to react, I'm pretty sober about it, but we'll see.

We'll call on monday again.
Thank you very much.

Translation - Marco@RU


Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0QWaD27y


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AMIGOE
February 9, 2008

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The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own.  “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice.  To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’.  People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences.  Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice.    “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”   

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot

The OM is also of the opinion that yesterday’s words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes were premature.  Croes wants to declare Joran van der Sloot persona non grate.

“The boy is not convicted yet; besides, there are a whole lot of judicial hurdles ahead, before he can be refused admission to Aruba. He is legally admitted anyway”, was the reaction of the OM

<snipped>

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

[Observer]

Still walking around in a fog so these pics may have already been posted:

You must be feeling a little better..  We have missed you!

You probably have seen this already but it's worth one last post 

[klaasend]

Still walking around in a fog so these pics may have already been posted:

You must be feeling a little better..  We have missed you!

You probably have seen this already but it's worth one last post 

Yes, I did see it, LOLOL