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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 03, 2009, 08:46:23 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 06:29:22 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 06:35:29 PM
jen ... I saw ya lurking on the other thread.

Are ya feeling better or ...

 smt078 :smt119

Take care hon.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
jen ... I saw ya lurking on the other thread.

Are ya feeling better or ...

 :barf:

Take care hon.

Janet

BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 06:37:31 PM
I give up!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 06, 2009, 06:43:48 PM
Cheapo   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 06:52:07 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news2.html

3/5/2009 Diario Online

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03052009Diario_1.jpg)


Papiamentu translation:

much expectativa here at aruba! pelicula “natalee holloway: the movie” will happen at tv at month of april oranjestad (aan): in the dianan here can see cu on the canal lifetime movie network (lmn) they're promocionando the pelicula “natalee holloway: the movie”. the pelicula, basa in the book of beth twitty (loving natalee: owing to mother’s testament or hope and faith), will happen on canal 27 day 19 of april for 9 pm. according beth twitty, the is one pelicula is focus on the esfuerzonan cu owing to being haci for achieve know kico owing to happen cu his child muher of 18 year cu owing to desaparece at aruba. lifetime movie network (lmn) is one canal dirigi at person muher. akinan they have one day special caminda they're happen peliculanan relaciona cu casonan regal. the actriz tracy pollan (“family ties”, “law & order: svu”), casa of the conocido actor michael j. fox (“back to the future”) is interpreta the paper of mother of natalee. in the paper of natalee will have amy gumenick (“supernatural”), y also the participacion of grant show (melrose place). the pelicula owing to wordo filma at south africa at month of january. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 06, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
TxMom,

Oh, I am just so sure Aruba is thrilled about the new Natalee movie.


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 07:37:27 PM
Cheapo   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

There was a time my sweet nothings would get me my own way every time.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... a lasagna is now in the oven ... sissor buns will be next.  I am now in the process of making a salad.

I really outdid myself.

Janet
4:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 07:39:54 PM
TxMom,

Oh, I am just so sure Aruba is thrilled about the new Natalee movie.


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, I'm sure they just LOVE the refreshed publicity of the case!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 08:07:00 PM
Something happened in court in Aruba today, I think some kind of dispute that got out of hand and the polis were called.  That looks like Michael Williams in the middle of the  picture to me.

http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=168&mId=1

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/168/123636272495.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 06, 2009, 08:07:42 PM
Klass..I'll hang out 4 Caylee's lock. If it gets too late, I'll give you a shout  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 08:08:39 PM
Something happened in court in Aruba today, I think some kind of dispute that got out of hand and the polis were called.  That looks like Michael Williams in the middle of the  picture to me.

http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=168&mId=1

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/168/123636272495.jpg)



Papiamentu translation:

situation owing to hera bay for of hand fast corte of husticia fecha: 06/03/2009 | horario: 14:03 diabierna afternoon as we owing to informa end in another informe more early the situation at corte owing to escala hour cu familiarnan y esnan envolvi will owing to arise contra another. the oficialnan of c.e.a. owing to controla the situation much good but hour the asunto owing to escala owing to ask refuerso of police. come across



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 08:20:09 PM
I'm bringing this over from the last thread KTF if You have time please take a look at them and see if there is anything of interest.....TIA...BBL Supper is Ready!

 
Posts: 1926



   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #958 on: Today at 04:43:55 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey Monkeys..I've been really busy today and only have a few minutes but I wanted to post this.... I'll BBL

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Oct.21.08_Cessationoftalks.pdf
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Apr0307_Mexilhao.pdf


http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Jun.30.06_Statoil_D2.pdf

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Feb1306_Brazil_contracts.pdf
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Jan.07.05Stolt-NielsentoSellHoldinginStoltOffshore.pdf
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 06, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
Nut thank you for responding about the donations solicitation post, I appreciate it. Jen thanks for your info as well !

KTF are you always so energetic?  ::MonkeyDance:: It's part of your charm !

I have another question, I thought I might have remembered LifeSong as having posted about having made a donation for the Persistence search? I could be wrong regarding who posted that but my question was whether anyone here who did make a donation, ever received a confirmation of receipt via email or snail mail?

TIA once again !

It's good to see so many of you  ::MonkeyHaHa:: on this fresh new thread  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2009, 08:38:55 PM
Klass..I'll hang out 4 Caylee's lock. If it gets too late, I'll give you a shout  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Nut - I've been neglecting the locks and I'm relieved to have you and others helping.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
Nut thank you for responding about the donations solicitation post, I appreciate it. Jen thanks for your info as well !

KTF are you always so energetic?  ::MonkeyDance:: It's part of your charm !

I have another question, I thought I might have remembered LifeSong as having posted about having made a donation for the Persistence search? I could be wrong regarding who posted that but my question was whether anyone here who did make a donation, ever received a confirmation of receipt via email or snail mail?

TIA once again !

It's good to see so many of you  ::MonkeyHaHa:: on this fresh new thread  ::MonkeyWink::



Hi None

I believe I received a confirmation by email and ... a recept by mail.

I will check into it an let your know.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 06, 2009, 08:42:44 PM

Got it, Rob, thank you!

02/27/2008NEW
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html):  “Over the past several days, the Persistence has been working with the help of the Aruban police in shallow water.”



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
The outcome of the Persistence undertaking was doomed to be negative from the getgo if there was not a plan in place in regards to Aruban chain of custody protocol if something Natalee Holloway case related was discovered.  Logic dictates that an Aruban invitation should have been afforded to the FBI and secured in the preparation stages of such a huge undertaking.

Beth Holloway's brother says it best ...

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


PRIVATE EYE - IN HIS OWN WORDS

private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 08:59:48 PM
Another good that jen shared with Monkeys this morning.

Janet

_________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:00:02 PM
The outcome of the Persistence undertaking was doomed to be negative from the getgo if there was not a plan in place in regards to Aruban chain of custody protocol if something Natalee Holloway case related was discovered.  Logic dictates that an Aruban invitation should have been afforded to the FBI and secured in the preparation stages of such a huge undertaking.

Beth Holloway's brother says it best ...

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


PRIVATE EYE - IN HIS OWN WORDS

private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
NONESUCHE:

On December 5, 2007 I have a receipt for a donation for Natalee to Tx EQ..  Does anyone remember why we were asked to contribute then?  Was this for the search or for something else?

Debbie at BFN posted the need for donations on December 5, 2007

Quote
Blogs for Natalee Forum
Natalee Holloway => Discussion - Natalee Holloway => Topic started by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03


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Title: OUR HELP IS NEEDED - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT
Post by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03
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To my BFN Family:

For 30 months now we have worked together, fought together, cried together... no matter what we have done it has been together.

We really need to work together now.  The search for Natalee off the coast of Aruba is vital at this time if we want to find Natalee and find answers.

So many people have helped facilitate this search... Louis Schaffer and the Silvetti Group are covering the cost of the search, a very generous offer that the family has humbly accepted.  There will be expenses where help is needed.  The hotel rooms for members of the search team and some of the meals need our help in covering.

I am challenging everyone to give what they can to help find Natalee.  We are quickly approaching the end of the year and now is the time to make tax deductible donations and I cannot think a better cause to help with at this time.

I know that with Christmas approaching that money may be tight, but if you can spare a few dollars please help, I think we all can think of something that we can give up to be able to help at this time.  (I can do without those shoes that I saw in the store that I really do not need)

One last request... if you are able to make a donation it needs to be done NOW.  Make your credit card donations tonight or tomorrow.  If you are going to mail a donation please mail it tomorrow.  If you are making a donation please message me the amount you are planning to donate.  They would like to know an approximate amount so that plans can be finalized.

I am making a $100.00 donation, I challenge you all to donate what you can spare at this time.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Debbie


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/mypics/e6c0bdf8.gif) (http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=76-0664878)
Click on Logo to donate by Credit Card
(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)

Texas EquuSearch can now receive donations from credit cards by using the Network for Good website. If you would prefer not to donate online using a credit card, please feel free to mail your donation to:


Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team
P. O. Box 395,
Dickinson, TX 77539

(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)


http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html


(DISCLAIMER:  THIS WAS MY IDEA.  I HEARD THAT TES NEEDS HELP AND I DECIDED TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS, IT IS YOUR CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO OR CAN MAKE A DONATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS REQUEST.  THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HELP, TIME IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE... THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR NATALEE.)
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:05:08 PM
I'm bringing this over from the last thread KTF if You have time please take a look at them and see if there is anything of interest.....TIA...BBL Supper is Ready!

 
Posts: 1926



   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #958 on: Today at 04:43:55 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey Monkeys..I've been really busy today and only have a few minutes but I wanted to post this.... I'll BBL

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Oct.21.08_Cessationoftalks.pdf
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Apr0307_Mexilhao.pdf


http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Jun.30.06_Statoil_D2.pdf

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Feb1306_Brazil_contracts.pdf
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Jan.07.05Stolt-NielsentoSellHoldinginStoltOffshore.pdf
 
 
 


Thank You Hotping.I will take a looksy tonight after i close the store down!Been a busy day...That is a good thing just tiring!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:07:55 PM
Nut thank you for responding about the donations solicitation post, I appreciate it. Jen thanks for your info as well !

KTF are you always so energetic?  ::MonkeyDance:: It's part of your charm !

I have another question, I thought I might have remembered LifeSong as having posted about having made a donation for the Persistence search? I could be wrong regarding who posted that but my question was whether anyone here who did make a donation, ever received a confirmation of receipt via email or snail mail?

TIA once again !

It's good to see so many of you  ::MonkeyHaHa:: on this fresh new thread  ::MonkeyWink::



In the case for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...I sure try.Please let me know if it get's in the way..I had to do an open to close today so running outta steam..3 hrs left ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 09:17:21 PM


LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


That lasagna, buns and salad are gone.  Daughter's van broke down on the drive here from the Upper Fraser Valley.  Hubby is picking her and the kids up right now and driving them home.  Van has been towed away.  He took the dinner I had made along with him so ... nobody is going to go hungry.

I made myself a salmon sandwich and a cuppa tea.  Hubby can make himself whatever he wants when he comes home.  Maybe he will eat lasagna with daughter and kids.

What a day!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:19:54 PM


LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


That lasagna, buns and salad are gone.  Daughter's van broke down on the drive here from the Upper Fraser Valley.  Hubby is picking her and the kids up right now and driving them home.  Van has been towed away.  He took the dinner I had made along with him so ... nobody is going to go hungry.

I made myself a salmon sandwich and a cuppa tea.  Hubby can make himself whatever he wants when he comes home.  Maybe he will eat lasagna with daughter and kids.

What a day!!

Janet

Nice to know they're all safe! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 06, 2009, 09:22:17 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:25:08 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 09:29:44 PM


LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


That lasagna, buns and salad are gone.  Daughter's van broke down on the drive here from the Upper Fraser Valley.  Hubby is picking her and the kids up right now and driving them home.  Van has been towed away.  He took the dinner I had made along with him so ... nobody is going to go hungry.

I made myself a salmon sandwich and a cuppa tea.  Hubby can make himself whatever he wants when he comes home.  Maybe he will eat lasagna with daughter and kids.

What a day!!

Janet

Nice to know they're all safe! ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith .. I am thankful.  It happened on the freeway but daughter was able to pull off to the emergency lane.  After she called for a tow truck ... a passing motorist stopped and piled all five of them into his vehicle and ... drove them to some establishment just off the next exit.  That is where Hubby is headed right now.

BTW ... seven year old grandaughter placed third out of 18 contestants in her category at  the interschool public speaking competition.  This little girl made my day even if she had not place.  She gave it her all.

Hey ... it is sure slow in the cage tonight ... at least on the Natalee Holloway forum.

I wish something would happen.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Janet

Edited  to fix typo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 06, 2009, 09:30:28 PM


LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


That lasagna, buns and salad are gone.  Daughter's van broke down on the drive here from the Upper Fraser Valley.  Hubby is picking her and the kids up right now and driving them home.  Van has been towed away.  He took the dinner I had made along with him so ... nobody is going to go hungry.

I made myself a salmon sandwich and a cuppa tea.  Hubby can make himself whatever he wants when he comes home.  Maybe he will eat lasagna with daughter and kids.

What a day!!

Janet


See............Cheapo should have taken you all out to dinner! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 09:34:44 PM


LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


That lasagna, buns and salad are gone.  Daughter's van broke down on the drive here from the Upper Fraser Valley.  Hubby is picking her and the kids up right now and driving them home.  Van has been towed away.  He took the dinner I had made along with him so ... nobody is going to go hungry.

I made myself a salmon sandwich and a cuppa tea.  Hubby can make himself whatever he wants when he comes home.  Maybe he will eat lasagna with daughter and kids.

What a day!!

Janet


See............Cheapo should have taken you all out to dinner! ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:39:10 PM


LOGIC DICTATES JANET..That must've been some good lasagna... ::MonkeyTongue::

Really thought!How can anyone uphold  The undertaking of the Persistence search after reading the words of Kyle kingman,as well as Beth Holloway's Brother.Are you gonna tell me Private Eye has got it wrong??Me personally.I DON"T THINK SO...... ::MonkeyWink::


That lasagna, buns and salad are gone.  Daughter's van broke down on the drive here from the Upper Fraser Valley.  Hubby is picking her and the kids up right now and driving them home.  Van has been towed away.  He took the dinner I had made along with him so ... nobody is going to go hungry.

I made myself a salmon sandwich and a cuppa tea.  Hubby can make himself whatever he wants when he comes home.  Maybe he will eat lasagna with daughter and kids.

What a day!!

Janet

Nice to know they're all safe! ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith .. I am thankful.  It happened on the freeway but daughter was able to pull off to the emergency lane.  After she called for a tow truck ... a passing motorist stopped and piled all five of them into his vehicle and ... drove them to some establishment just off the next exit.  That is where Hubby is headed right now.

BTW ... seven year old grandaughter placed third out of 18 contestants in her category at  the interschool public speaking competition.  This little girl made my day even if she had not place.  She gave it her all.

Hey ... it is sure slow in the cage tonight ... at least on the Natalee Holloway forum.

I wish something would happen.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Janet


Everybody's safe,3rd outta 18 and i do believe billb,Wreck and some others will show up for the party!Life is good but once we have JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY life would be as good as it came be.Nothing will ever take away the pain for Beth,Dave,Robin,as well as Jug.As the voice of reason has said.Closure is where it's at.KYLE should step up...... ::MonkeyCool::

Edit to fix typo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 06, 2009, 09:46:29 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you KTF ! That's right it was hotping, I appreciate your help. I just knew there was another address besides TES.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
NONESUCHE:

On December 5, 2007 I have a receipt for a donation for Natalee to Tx EQ..  Does anyone remember why we were asked to contribute then?  Was this for the search or for something else?

Debbie at BFN posted the need for donations on December 5, 2007

Quote
Blogs for Natalee Forum
Natalee Holloway => Discussion - Natalee Holloway => Topic started by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03


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Title: OUR HELP IS NEEDED - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT
Post by: Debbie on 2007-12-05, 17:36:03
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To my BFN Family:

For 30 months now we have worked together, fought together, cried together... no matter what we have done it has been together.

We really need to work together now.  The search for Natalee off the coast of Aruba is vital at this time if we want to find Natalee and find answers.

So many people have helped facilitate this search... Louis Schaffer and the Silvetti Group are covering the cost of the search, a very generous offer that the family has humbly accepted.  There will be expenses where help is needed.  The hotel rooms for members of the search team and some of the meals need our help in covering.

I am challenging everyone to give what they can to help find Natalee.  We are quickly approaching the end of the year and now is the time to make tax deductible donations and I cannot think a better cause to help with at this time.

I know that with Christmas approaching that money may be tight, but if you can spare a few dollars please help, I think we all can think of something that we can give up to be able to help at this time.  (I can do without those shoes that I saw in the store that I really do not need)

One last request... if you are able to make a donation it needs to be done NOW.  Make your credit card donations tonight or tomorrow.  If you are going to mail a donation please mail it tomorrow.  If you are making a donation please message me the amount you are planning to donate.  They would like to know an approximate amount so that plans can be finalized.

I am making a $100.00 donation, I challenge you all to donate what you can spare at this time.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Debbie


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/mypics/e6c0bdf8.gif) (http://partners.guidestar.org/controller/searchResults.gs?action_donateReport=1&partner=networkforgood&ein=76-0664878)
Click on Logo to donate by Credit Card
(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)

Texas EquuSearch can now receive donations from credit cards by using the Network for Good website. If you would prefer not to donate online using a credit card, please feel free to mail your donation to:


Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team
P. O. Box 395,
Dickinson, TX 77539

(BE SURE TO DESIGNATE YOUR DONATION
TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH IN ARUBA)


http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html


(DISCLAIMER:  THIS WAS MY IDEA.  I HEARD THAT TES NEEDS HELP AND I DECIDED TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS, IT IS YOUR CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO OR CAN MAKE A DONATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS REQUEST.  THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HELP, TIME IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE... THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR NATALEE.)
 


On December 5, 2007 ... I was ready to do my part to contribute to what I trusted through faith was a sincere undertaking to bring closure to Natalee Holloway's family.  However ... after reading Kyle Kingman's own words ... I will not respond to another outreach for funds for any cause without first requesting answers to my questions regarding the plan and ... who are the participants in that plan.  Both the heart and thought process in where it is at.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you KTF ! That's right it was hotping, I appreciate your help. I just knew there was another address besides TES.

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 09:56:24 PM
It sure would be nice if We could locate someone who had sent a donation to that Po Box in Kemah and We could get them to tell Us who endorsed the check if that was the way They made Their donation...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you KTF ! That's right it was hotping, I appreciate your help. I just knew there was another address besides TES.

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813





Do we know the date that the P.O. Box was shown on TV?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 10:15:11 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you KTF ! That's right it was hotping, I appreciate your help. I just knew there was another address besides TES.

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813





Do we know the date that the P.O. Box was shown on TV?
From TM Natalee Case Discussion 800 Reply 763 Feb 17 2009
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.760

The videos can be viewed over in the Ocean Search thread at the bottom of Page 7.

Both newscasts were from November 2007 when the Persistence left Louisiana for Aruba.

The first screenshot is from KATC, the other is from KLFY.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 06, 2009, 10:16:38 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you KTF ! That's right it was hotping, I appreciate your help. I just knew there was another address besides TES.

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813





Do we know the date that the P.O. Box was shown on TV?


11/30/2007
NEW – Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway (http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?s=7429813):  “The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:  Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 06, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
And the P.O. Box was being used for a registered non-profit org, 501 (c) or whatever they are called?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
There is no date on this article that I could find but ... the outreach was prior to the Persistence search.  Who lives in Kemah?

Janet

_____


Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway

The latest developments in the Natalie Holloway case find three men back behind bars, but still no Natalee. Local teams from Acadiana are now joining the search for the 18 year old that disappeared in May of 2005.

The name of this boat says it all. Persistence is what search teams are hoping will lead them to Natalee Holloway.

Project Manager Marc Broussard said, "We met the Holloway family and as parents ourselves we wanted to help out, give our all and give them the Cajun spirit to motivate them to go out there, to find this child and bring her home."

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role. Once teams reach Aruba they'll scan the bottom of the ocean and map out any objects that seem out of place. What sensors pick up is all monitored in this survey room. Teams will then investigate the objects and send a robotic like device under water with cameras.

It will take the boat eight to ten days to reach Aruba. The search teams tell us if something's out there they plan to find it.  Natalee's father was aboard the boat before it set sail. We spoke with him about this trip.

Dave Holloway told us, "You try to get back to the normal way of doing things, but it stays on your mind and you stay focused on what can I do next to get closure in this. Hopefully this will be the way to do this."

The RV persistence is scheduled to depart from The Port of Iberia Tuesday evening. This search will be the first deep water search for Natalie. Teams from New Iberia, Lafayette, and Texas are all participating in the search.

The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:

Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565

Grace White

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 10:19:21 PM
oh KTF it's never in the way silly, it's pretty endearing actually !!

Janet thank you !! May I have some lasagna too? I am sure it's delicious !

Klaas - thank you ! I thought another address that wasn't TES had been posted, an address we couldn't trace a source to ?

 I've donated to TES before so thank you for your help !



HotPing was on that!Thought we ended up believing it was to Schaefer but will await confirmation from HotPing!Thanx None.. ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you KTF ! That's right it was hotping, I appreciate your help. I just knew there was another address besides TES.

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813





Do we know the date that the P.O. Box was shown on TV?


11/30/2007
NEW – Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway (http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?s=7429813):  “The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:  Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565”

In the newscast the anchorwoman states that the boat is scheduled to leave that night. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 10:20:54 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.120

The newscast where the address is shown is at the bottom of the page.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 10:22:02 PM

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813

[/quote]

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

hotping ... thank you.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 10:23:23 PM

Here Ya go None.....As of November 2007 This PO Box Belonged to Underwater Expeditions...Louis Schaefer

 Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565
 
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

hotping ... thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 06, 2009, 10:25:03 PM
Janet you are a good soul, I wasn't concerned about the donations to TES but rather the ones direct to the address in Kemah, TX.

Thank you hotping !! I appreciate it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 10:26:17 PM
There is no date on this article that I could find but ... the outreach was prior to the Persistence search.  Who lives in Kemah?

Janet

_____


Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway

The latest developments in the Natalie Holloway case find three men back behind bars, but still no Natalee. Local teams from Acadiana are now joining the search for the 18 year old that disappeared in May of 2005.

The name of this boat says it all. Persistence is what search teams are hoping will lead them to Natalee Holloway.

Project Manager Marc Broussard said, "We met the Holloway family and as parents ourselves we wanted to help out, give our all and give them the Cajun spirit to motivate them to go out there, to find this child and bring her home."

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role. Once teams reach Aruba they'll scan the bottom of the ocean and map out any objects that seem out of place. What sensors pick up is all monitored in this survey room. Teams will then investigate the objects and send a robotic like device under water with cameras.

It will take the boat eight to ten days to reach Aruba. The search teams tell us if something's out there they plan to find it.  Natalee's father was aboard the boat before it set sail. We spoke with him about this trip.

Dave Holloway told us, "You try to get back to the normal way of doing things, but it stays on your mind and you stay focused on what can I do next to get closure in this. Hopefully this will be the way to do this."

The RV persistence is scheduled to depart from The Port of Iberia Tuesday evening. This search will be the first deep water search for Natalie. Teams from New Iberia, Lafayette, and Texas are all participating in the search.

The trip is funded through donations. If you'd like to support the search efforts you can send donations to:

Attn: Search for Natalee Holloway, P.O. Box 948, Kemah, Texas 77565

Grace White

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813

Janet You asked who lives in Kemah Tx....Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan both live in  the Kemah Area.....Also Greg Landry who supposedly helped in someway with the search.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 10:27:41 PM
YW Janet and Nonesuche!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
I'm bringing this over from the last thread KTF if You have time please take a look at them and see if there is anything of interest.....TIA...BBL Supper is Ready!

 
Posts: 1926



   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #958 on: Today at 04:43:55 PM » 

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Hey Monkeys..I've been really busy today and only have a few minutes but I wanted to post this.... I'll BBL

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Oct.21.08_Cessationoftalks.pdf
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Apr0307_Mexilhao.pdf


http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Jun.30.06_Statoil_D2.pdf

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Feb1306_Brazil_contracts.pdf
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Jan.07.05Stolt-NielsentoSellHoldinginStoltOffshore.pdf
 
 
 


Thank You Hotping.I will take a looksy tonight after i close the store down!Been a busy day...That is a good thing just tiring!
Thanks KTF..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 10:38:03 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 10:42:16 PM
Is there any financial or performance accountability  available upon request for those who contributed to the Persistence undertaking or ... as we suppose to truth anybody who says "trust me".

Janet

_______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 10:46:53 PM
Is there any financial or performance accountability  available upon request for those who contributed to the Persistence undertaking or ... as we suppose to truth anybody who says "trust me".

Janet

_______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.

If your in it for the right reason's,you should ABSOLUTELY have NO PROBLEM,opening up your books to ANYONE.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 10:49:00 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 06, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA

I think it was on the trip down.  If you notice there is a long gap between the time they left Louisiana
and the time they arrived in Aruba.  There was a hurricaine in the Gulf and it lingered on.
I believe that they stopped in Jamaica for several days to wait out the storm or whatever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA

I would just like to see the breakdown of where the money went!Being BIG OIL people,would it have been out of the realm to get all the FUEL donated?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Is there any financial or performance accountability  available upon request for those who contributed to the Persistence undertaking or ... as we suppose to truth anybody who says "trust me".

Janet

_______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.

If your in it for the right reason's,you should ABSOLUTELY have NO PROBLEM,opening up your books to ANYONE.....

I know the financial statements of our church and its related ministries are available upon request as well as there are business meeting every six months where statements are handed out and concerns are addressed.  Also ... contributors to any ministry are encouraged to personally observe that ministry in action.

Kyle Kingman's own words reveals that every donor who contributed to the Persistence endeavor were scammed.  I do not believe that any who donated were under the impression that John Silvetti would turn anything discovered that may be Natalee Holloway case related over to the Aruban's unchallenged.

Another gem that Jen posted today ...

Janet

+++++++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 11:14:25 PM
Hubby just arrived home with two youngest grandkids (5/7) in tow.  I guess we are about to have company for the weekend.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:15 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 11:14:37 PM
I feel pretty foolish when I go over and read this thread knowing what We know now.....  ::MonkeyEek::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.120


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 11:16:21 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA

I think it was on the trip down.  If you notice there is a long gap between the time they left Louisiana
and the time they arrived in Aruba.  There was a hurricaine in the Gulf and it lingered on.
I believe that they stopped in Jamaica for several days to wait out the storm or whatever.
Thank You Magnolia....for some reason I keep thinking that something held them up on the way back to Louisiana also.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 11:20:18 PM
Good Night Janet! If I'm Lucky I will have My 5 yr old Grandson next weekend!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 11:20:18 PM
Hubby just arrived home with two youngest grandkids (5/7) in tow.  I guess we are about to have company for the weekend.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:15 PM PT



Goodnight Janet.Have great evening... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 11:20:37 PM
I feel pretty foolish when I go over and read this thread knowing what We know now.....  ::MonkeyEek::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.120

I feel so many emotions ranging from sad ... frustrated ... angry ... used and ... betrayed.  For crying out loud this was an AMERICAN undertaking.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Night Hotping.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 11:21:28 PM
Good Night Janet! If I'm Lucky I will have My 5 yr old Grandson next weekend!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 11:25:11 PM
I feel pretty foolish when I go over and read this thread knowing what We know now.....  ::MonkeyEek::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.120

I feel so many emotions ranging from sad ... frustrated ... angry ... used and ... betrayed.  For crying out loud this was an AMERICAN undertaking.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Night Hotping.

Janet
I remember when I first saw those trap pictures My Heart jumped into My throat....I just knew it was what the Persistence was looking for....its just to sad to think that Natalee could be home now....

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Night Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 11:27:46 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 06, 2009, 11:33:38 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 11:36:14 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2009, 11:40:42 PM
Hubby just arrived home with two youngest grandkids (5/7) in tow.  I guess we are about to have company for the weekend.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:15 PM PT



Goodnight Janet!  Sounds like you are going to have an exciting weekend!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 06, 2009, 11:43:26 PM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA

I think it was on the trip down.  If you notice there is a long gap between the time they left Louisiana
and the time they arrived in Aruba.  There was a hurricaine in the Gulf and it lingered on.
I believe that they stopped in Jamaica for several days to wait out the storm or whatever.
Thank You Magnolia....for some reason I keep thinking that something held them up on the way back to Louisiana also.....

I think they made the trip back in just three or four days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 06, 2009, 11:50:45 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 06, 2009, 11:55:03 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I feel for ya Wreck!A lot of cords indeed!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 06, 2009, 11:56:36 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 06, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::
Yep I'm ticked off too.....I would love to be wrong about what happened with that trap but I just have to believe that It was Natalee related and We will probably never know for sure....

Boy I'm glad its You having to reconnect all that stuff and not Me... ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 12:00:15 AM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA

I think it was on the trip down.  If you notice there is a long gap between the time they left Louisiana
and the time they arrived in Aruba.  There was a hurricaine in the Gulf and it lingered on.
I believe that they stopped in Jamaica for several days to wait out the storm or whatever.
Thank You Magnolia....for some reason I keep thinking that something held them up on the way back to Louisiana also.....

I think they made the trip back in just three or four days.
Thanks Again Magnolia! You are Probably Right!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on March 07, 2009, 12:00:47 AM
Just want to tell all of you Monkeys, great job on all of the research. Had a busy week and couldn't do much but read and catch up. Even thought of all of you when we had a Cajun crawfish boil with all of the fixings. Janet's lasagna sounded great.

Have a great weekend.
Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:00:50 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::

He's still a little electric after the Meteor fiasco Magnolia.Hence the sparkly buckle...Wreck is harnassing all that energy into a Sparkly Buckle....Magically Delicious... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 12:02:16 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::

He's still a little electric after the Meteor fiasco Magnolia.Hence the sparkly buckle...Wreck is harnassing all that energy into a Sparkly Buckle....Magically Delicious... ::MonkeyWink::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:02:56 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::

He's still a little electric after the Meteor fiasco Magnolia.Hence the sparkly buckle...Wreck is harnassing all that energy into a Sparkly Buckle....Magically Delicious... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 12:02:56 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::
That's CBB's work!! (at least there was no fire involved this time!!)  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on March 07, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::
That's CBB's work!! (at least there was no fire involved this time!!)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck, Ya look smashing!!!!!!!!!!!! Nite all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 12:11:26 AM
Crews Nearing End of Search for Natalee Holloway
Advertisement

 
 
 Jennifer Hale/NBC 13
Published: January 1, 2008

ARUBA:  A deep water search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway is nearing its final stages. Since December 15th, an oil exploration crew from south Louisiana has used sonar equipment to scour Aruba's ocean floor looking for Natalee.  Once that's done, the crew will concentrate on watching all that video, and then deciding whether human divers should go down and re-inspect any of the objects.

At night - when Aruba's waters are calmer, the crew of "The Persistence" drags sonar lines behind the boat, mapping out what's on the ocean floor. it's been tough going- especially when old fishing gear gets tangled in the sonar lines.  Another challenge- Aruba's strong ocean currents.  The currents kept pulling the robots off course until the crew gained more control over the robots by weighting them down.

Crew member Kyle Kingman is keeping an online blog. He writes: "The stress is intense... inside we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly."

Since Sunday December 29th, robots called "ROV's" are diving down during daylight hours and shooting video of the objects detected by sonar equipment.

In Tuesday's latest blog entry, Kingman writes:

"The seabed appears lifeless and void. As the ROV touches down onto the deep seafloor...a cloud erupts. As the silt settles in the darkness...the ROV is in total solitude, stillness and cold...It is a relief to have it back on board "The Persistence" in relative safety."

The crew of "The Persistence" realizes there's no room for error. Aruba's sea floor is full of wrecked ships and other unsolved mysteries. The crew is still confident they'll succeed. Kingman writes:

"The...sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll...The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript."

"The Persistence" is searching a stretch of the ocean floor about the size of Manhattan.  They're working on the last section of that area now. The crew of "The Persistence" hopes to solve the mystery of Natalee's disappearnace in the next few days.


http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/-VTM_2008_01_01_0002/22353/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:11:37 AM
Store is closed.. ::MonkeyDance:: On my way home for some pizza and researchin until 11pm..Be Back shortly... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 12:13:29 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::
That's CBB's work!! (at least there was no fire involved this time!!)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck, Ya look smashing!!!!!!!!!!!! Nite all!
Good Night Cajun Miracle.....Crawfish Yum Good...The Hotter the Better!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:26:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:27:20 AM


Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 12:30:09 AM
OCEANEXPLORATION

Greetings,

Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

KLAAS

Hi Kyle - I actually thought the broadcast was pretty well done.  I learned things I didn't know especially in the 2nd half of the broadcast.

What kind of fall-out do you think you'll see?

KEEPTHEFAITH

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..

Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 
Exactly! How in the Heck do these people lay their heads down and go to sleep each night...... ::MonkeyEek::
The "Dateline" broadcast along with the first ROV images had me pretty confident that Natalee had indeed been found. (I had no reason to doubt the Persistence -- I just figured our FBI was working behind the scenes). Now, I am just out and out ticked off!

Forgot to say "Good Evening Monkeys"! I got new carpet in my bedroom and office today -- that means re-connecting my computer, modem, 2 TV's, a stereo, and various other electronic devices -- what a pain!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I love your new St Paddy's Day Hat, Wreck.....especially the sparkely buckle. ::MonkeyCool::
That's CBB's work!! (at least there was no fire involved this time!!)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck, Ya look smashing!!!!!!!!!!!! Nite all!
As a young man out of college, I worked for an oil and gas service company in West Texas. We did "wireline" work and our training center was in Lafayette, LA.  I spent 3 terms of 2 weeks each at a time there. I consider myself an "Honorary Cajun"!! Bring me some Boudan and crawfish!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 12:55:02 AM
I'm going to look into that Acergy when i arrive home Hotping..1 1/2 hrs to go till closing.I'm still pissed off to no end in regards to them being out of money!What are Schaefer and Silvetti worth between the 2 of them??They have contacts to people who run BILLION-DOLLAR company's.Don't ya think they could have got donations from a BIG OIL company??Would have been GREAT ADVERTISEMENT,or wait a minute,MAYBE NOT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT...... ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


What would have been the most expensive part of the search,in terms of dollars??
I do not know the answer to Your question but......IMHO its all BS about being out of money They were there to survey (Silvetti Survey INC...maybe)  the ocean floor I believe finding the trap was an accident or it was prearranged with ALE that if They found anything ALE would get what they found and that is why Silvetti told Kyle to forget about the trap.... Its just to weird that the trap was found and suddenly they were out of money and packed up and came home

I do have a question.....Remember when the Persisitence left Aruba and got caught up in a storm or something and had to stop somewhere along the way back to Louisiana to wait out the storm.....Does anyone else remember this...if so....where was it that they stopped over to wait out the storm? TIA

I think it was on the trip down.  If you notice there is a long gap between the time they left Louisiana
and the time they arrived in Aruba.  There was a hurricaine in the Gulf and it lingered on.
I believe that they stopped in Jamaica for several days to wait out the storm or whatever.
Thank You Magnolia....for some reason I keep thinking that something held them up on the way back to Louisiana also.....

I think they made the trip back in just three or four days.
Magnolia...This is the only thing that I Can find about the trip home posted by Kyle

 92   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -  on: March 10, 2008, 06:34:25 PM 
The Persistence is completing its last leg of the journey home.  It should arrive some time on Wed.  Incredibly, the Persistence never saw anything over 4ft seas the entire way from Aruba to Mexico with 2kt currents and the wind at its stern - it made awesome time.  It had to spend a few days in Mexico where it refueled until the Gulf calmed down, but it's good to go now.  Thanks for all the prayers.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 12:56:49 AM
Good Night All!

Wreck... Crawfish Boudan and Cold Beer.....Boy that brings back memories!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:01:17 AM
Stolt Offshore S.A.
NEWS RELEASE
Stolt Offshore S.A. Announces $300 million Order Intake in
Brazil
London, England – February 13, 2006 - Stolt Offshore S.A. (NASDAQ NM:
SOSA; Oslo Stock Exchange: STO), announced today contract awards totalling
approximately $300 million in letters of intent from Petrobras in Brazil.
The first new award, valued at $145 million, is an EPIC contract for the tie-in of oil
export pipelines from the Roncador, Marlim Sul and Marlin Leste fields to the PRA1
booster platform and for other associated tie-in work at two offloading buoys and a
floating storage and offloading tanker. The work will be performed by the
Discovery in the period between the fourth quarter of 2006 and the third quarter of
2007. The engineering and project management for this project is being
undertaken from the North America regional office in Houston, following the
refocusing of this business unit to the deepwater SURF market.


I'm not sure i've seen this one yet HotPing!

I believe it goes Caldive,to Stolt,to Acergy IIRC..


Here's another one..

Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.
 
 

BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 01:01:23 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL AND HER FAMILY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:03:34 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL AND HER FAMILY!


Goodnight Hotping.Great work!If we continue to dig,we will find! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 01:04:54 AM
Stolt Offshore S.A.
NEWS RELEASE
Stolt Offshore S.A. Announces $300 million Order Intake in
Brazil
London, England – February 13, 2006 - Stolt Offshore S.A. (NASDAQ NM:
SOSA; Oslo Stock Exchange: STO), announced today contract awards totalling
approximately $300 million in letters of intent from Petrobras in Brazil.
The first new award, valued at $145 million, is an EPIC contract for the tie-in of oil
export pipelines from the Roncador, Marlim Sul and Marlin Leste fields to the PRA1
booster platform and for other associated tie-in work at two offloading buoys and a
floating storage and offloading tanker. The work will be performed by the
Discovery in the period between the fourth quarter of 2006 and the third quarter of
2007. The engineering and project management for this project is being
undertaken from the North America regional office in Houston, following the
refocusing of this business unit to the deepwater SURF market.


I'm not sure i've seen this one yet HotPing!

I believe it goes Caldive,to Stolt,to Acergy IIRC..


Here's another one..

Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.
 
 

BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I wish I could get a better handle on just what We are looking for....I don't mind researching I just don't know exactly what I'm looking for....lol 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:11:11 AM
Stolt Offshore S.A.
NEWS RELEASE
Stolt Offshore S.A. Announces $300 million Order Intake in
Brazil
London, England – February 13, 2006 - Stolt Offshore S.A. (NASDAQ NM:
SOSA; Oslo Stock Exchange: STO), announced today contract awards totalling
approximately $300 million in letters of intent from Petrobras in Brazil.
The first new award, valued at $145 million, is an EPIC contract for the tie-in of oil
export pipelines from the Roncador, Marlim Sul and Marlin Leste fields to the PRA1
booster platform and for other associated tie-in work at two offloading buoys and a
floating storage and offloading tanker. The work will be performed by the
Discovery in the period between the fourth quarter of 2006 and the third quarter of
2007. The engineering and project management for this project is being
undertaken from the North America regional office in Houston, following the
refocusing of this business unit to the deepwater SURF market.


I'm not sure i've seen this one yet HotPing!

I believe it goes Caldive,to Stolt,to Acergy IIRC..


Here's another one..

Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.
 
 

BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I wish I could get a better handle on just what We are looking for....I don't mind researching I just don't know exactly what I'm looking for....lol 

Maybe the reason that really got them down there in the first place!One thing i've found that is close is GeoLab gave Veripos a 3yr contract.Veripos is a subsidiary of Subsea7.Look and tell me how many contracts Subsea7 has got down there!Geolab is a Silvetti company and Veripos is a subsidiary of a company that has major contracts Down in South America.Silvetti wanted to set up a office in Aruba to be able to do business in South America!!Hope that makes some sense Hotping...I get confused as well but hopefully we can continue to streamline these OIL companies and maybe find the contract that took them down there.We may also have to wait to see what Schaefer's company Legacy Offshore does..??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:11:58 AM
Hello Chata! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:33:31 AM
Hello Chata! ::MonkeyCool::

It's been awhile since you decided to stop in! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Chata on March 07, 2009, 01:52:20 AM
Keepthefaith,

Thanks for noticing I have not checked in ... lots going on in my family.  My Dad has been ill with congestive heart failure for some time and his poor heart finally just got too tired to pump anymore.  His celebration of life will be Tuesday.  He was well past 80 and had pretty much accomplished all he had wanted to in life.  I will miss his humor and the stories he held us captive with.

I am still very much interested in Justice for Natalee and her family. 

Chata


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
Keepthefaith,

Thanks for noticing I have not checked in ... lots going on in my family.  My Dad has been ill with congestive heart failure for some time and his poor heart finally just got too tired to pump anymore.  His celebration of life will be Tuesday.  He was well past 80 and had pretty much accomplished all he had wanted to in life.  I will miss his humor and the stories he held us captive with.

I am still very much interested in Justice for Natalee and her family. 

Chata

As we all know.Life is very prescious!I'm sending prayers and blessings your way!God Bless..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:06:46 AM
CBB...What you doin up so late?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:24:49 AM
CBB...What you doin up so late?? ::MonkeyTongue::

Klaas ...CBB decidedd to leave me alone in the cage.... ::MonkeyShocked::



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


                            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
                                GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS
                                          KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
Good Morning Monkeys! KTF -- how was the Pizza??  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 09:47:32 AM
Good Morning Monkeys! KTF -- how was the Pizza??  ::MonkeyCool::

Good morning wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 09:58:44 AM
Good Morning TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 09:59:29 AM
Good Morning TM!

Good morning Hotping! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 10:04:11 AM
Good Morning Anna and MuffyBee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 07, 2009, 10:20:24 AM
Good Morning Anna and MuffyBee!

Good morning (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

Is everyone prepared for Daylight Savings?  Spring forward!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
Good Morning Anna and MuffyBee!

Good morning (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

Is everyone prepared for Daylight Savings?  Spring forward!

I'm Ready!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 10:35:17 AM
Have a Good Day Monkeys....I'm heading out the door to go workout.... BBL!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 10:52:36 AM
Good Morning Anna and MuffyBee!

Good morning (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)

Is everyone prepared for Daylight Savings?  Spring forward!


It's rough the first few days...but I'll get used to it.  I like the longer days!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 10:58:51 AM
Keepthefaith,

Thanks for noticing I have not checked in ... lots going on in my family.  My Dad has been ill with congestive heart failure for some time and his poor heart finally just got too tired to pump anymore.  His celebration of life will be Tuesday.  He was well past 80 and had pretty much accomplished all he had wanted to in life.  I will miss his humor and the stories he held us captive with.

I am still very much interested in Justice for Natalee and her family. 

Chata

Hi Chata,

I was glad to see that you were here last night, so sorry about the loss of your dad. 

Take care, I hope we see Justice for Natalee and her family soon.

TM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
Good Morning texasmom.

Janet
8:05 aM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:06:45 AM
Lifesong!!!  When did you pop in?

Good Morning to you too.  Good Morning to all Monkeys.

Janet
8:06 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
Good Morning texasmom.

Janet
8:05 aM PT

Good morning Janet!  Hope you have a fun filled day with those grandkids!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 11:22:05 AM
Stolt Offshore S.A.
NEWS RELEASE
Stolt Offshore S.A. Announces $300 million Order Intake in
Brazil
London, England – February 13, 2006 - Stolt Offshore S.A. (NASDAQ NM:
SOSA; Oslo Stock Exchange: STO), announced today contract awards totalling
approximately $300 million in letters of intent from Petrobras in Brazil.
The first new award, valued at $145 million, is an EPIC contract for the tie-in of oil
export pipelines from the Roncador, Marlim Sul and Marlin Leste fields to the PRA1
booster platform and for other associated tie-in work at two offloading buoys and a
floating storage and offloading tanker. The work will be performed by the
Discovery in the period between the fourth quarter of 2006 and the third quarter of
2007. The engineering and project management for this project is being
undertaken from the North America regional office in Houston, following the
refocusing of this business unit to the deepwater SURF market.


I'm not sure i've seen this one yet HotPing!

I believe it goes Caldive,to Stolt,to Acergy IIRC..


Here's another one..

Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.
 
 

BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Good Morning everyone! 

KTF - I have the first article (above) already in the timeline from Hotping's post last night, but I don't have the second one.  Do you still have the link to the second article, and if you do would you re-post it?

TIA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
Good Morning texasmom.

Janet
8:05 aM PT

Good morning Janet!  Hope you have a fun filled day with those grandkids!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thanks.

All is quiet right now.  Papa and grandson are still sleeping and granddaughter is reading.

I think I will try to convince this little gal that making pancakes is fun.  The two of us could have a stack ready when the guys wake up.

I hope you have good Saturday.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 11:23:34 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 11:26:27 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:29:17 AM
The following are Kyle Kingman quotes were NOT incorporated into the document but ... should have been included.  In my opinion ... the implications are huge.

Jen shared the following with Monkeys yesterday.  If Kermit had previously posted these quotes ... I missed them.

THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP (DOCUMENT)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0

____


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 11:43:03 AM
Stolt Offshore S.A.
NEWS RELEASE
Stolt Offshore S.A. Announces $300 million Order Intake in
Brazil
London, England – February 13, 2006 - Stolt Offshore S.A. (NASDAQ NM:
SOSA; Oslo Stock Exchange: STO), announced today contract awards totalling
approximately $300 million in letters of intent from Petrobras in Brazil.
The first new award, valued at $145 million, is an EPIC contract for the tie-in of oil
export pipelines from the Roncador, Marlim Sul and Marlin Leste fields to the PRA1
booster platform and for other associated tie-in work at two offloading buoys and a
floating storage and offloading tanker. The work will be performed by the
Discovery in the period between the fourth quarter of 2006 and the third quarter of
2007. The engineering and project management for this project is being
undertaken from the North America regional office in Houston, following the
refocusing of this business unit to the deepwater SURF market.


I'm not sure i've seen this one yet HotPing!

I believe it goes Caldive,to Stolt,to Acergy IIRC..


Here's another one..

Stolt Offshore Wins 6-Year Pipelay Contract from Petrobras     
  Stolt Offshore      Friday, November 18, 2005  


Stolt Offshore has been awarded a new contract by Petrobras for a firm period of six years for deepwater flexible pipelay offshore Brazil.
The contract which will commence in January 2007 and is valued at approximately $250 million, will be undertaken by the CS Pertinacia which will be on long-term charter to Stolt Offshore from mid 2006. At the start of the charter period the ship will be converted from her original cable lay configuration to enable her to transport and install up to 2,500 tonnes of flexible flowlines in water depths of up to 2000 meters. The investment in the ship conversion and in project specific equipment will be approximately $55 million.
 
 

BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Good Morning everyone! 

KTF - I have the first article (above) already in the timeline from Hotping's post last night, but I don't have the second one.  Do you still have the link to the second article, and if you do would you re-post it?

TIA!


Here you go LifeSong!

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=27085


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 11:44:13 AM
Good Morning Monkeys! KTF -- how was the Pizza??  ::MonkeyCool::

The pizza was great Wreck.Thanx.Forgot to log off last night... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

May i have some cream with that San?Thank You! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:52:36 AM

OCEANEXPLORATION
Greetings,
Thank you all for your kind words, support, and prayers.  We're all bracing for the fall-out of the Dateline broadcast.  We'll provide an update soon.

<snipped>

It is interesting to go back and read!Fall-out?Kyle knew what the fall-out would be at that point..


Hey ... Tim Miller had already announced to the world ... to Natalee Holloway father ... that the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.  Then Tim Trahan returns from the December 30, 2007 dive with one word "nothing".  Dateline viewing audience is left dangling.  Something does not compute.

Janet

 

ROV IMAGES - DECEMBER 29, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2345843000_3478e3930e_o.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Trap.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap4.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap5.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap6.jpg)

Images:  Kyle Kingman


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:01:25 PM
Wouldn't ya just love to have been on that boat for the Dec 30th meeting...I also wonder where John Silvetti was during this time period!Inquiring minds want to know.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:02:42 PM
Wouldn't ya just love to have been on that boat for the Dec 30th meeting...I also wonder where John Silvetti was during this time period!Inquiring minds want to know.. ::MonkeyWink::

Time period being.Dec 29th through Jan 7th..Oh,how telling it would be i believe..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on March 07, 2009, 12:08:46 PM
Wouldn't ya just love to have been on that boat for the Dec 30th meeting...I also wonder where John Silvetti was during this time period!Inquiring minds want to know.. ::MonkeyWink::

Time period being.Dec 29th through Jan 7th..Oh,how telling it would be i believe..

Love your new Monkey KTF. Would send all of ya some Cajun boudin for breakfast but have to watch those calories. It's in the 80s this weekend, so yardwork is where it's at. Have a great weekend!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:18:20 PM
Wouldn't ya just love to have been on that boat for the Dec 30th meeting...I also wonder where John Silvetti was during this time period!Inquiring minds want to know.. ::MonkeyWink::

Time period being.Dec 29th through Jan 7th..Oh,how telling it would be i believe..

Love your new Monkey KTF. Would send all of ya some Cajun boudin for breakfast but have to watch those calories. It's in the 80s this weekend, so yardwork is where it's at. Have a great weekend!!!!!!!!

Why Thank You Cajun..80's ::MonkeyTongue:: Still a bit chilly up here in the northwest but it was blue skys yesterday! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:26:07 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

I'm on my second cup!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:30:12 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

May i have some cream with that San?Thank You! ::MonkeyHaHa::

My coffee is not "right" without just the right amount of French Vanilla flavored creme!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:31:22 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

May i have some cream with that San?Thank You! ::MonkeyHaHa::

My coffee is not "right" without just the right amount of French Vanilla flavored creme!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now that's funny TM!I'm on the first cup with the added french-vanilla! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:36:02 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

May i have some cream with that San?Thank You! ::MonkeyHaHa::

My coffee is not "right" without just the right amount of French Vanilla flavored creme!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now that's funny TM!I'm on the first cup with the added french-vanilla! ::MonkeyHaHa::

  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

May i have some cream with that San?Thank You! ::MonkeyHaHa::

My coffee is not "right" without just the right amount of French Vanilla flavored creme!   ::MonkeyCool::

Now that's funny TM!I'm on the first cup with the added french-vanilla! ::MonkeyHaHa::

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Give a cuppa of Tim Horton's coffee a chance.  No additives required.  The morning cobwebs clear in no time and ... the buzz ... believe me it is really hinky.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 12:42:07 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

I'm on my second cup!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Texasmom and San ... you are soooo mean.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:47:29 PM
Acergy and Subsea 7 Terminate Merger Discussions
Tuesday, October 21, 2008


Acergy S.A. has held discussions with Subsea 7 Inc. in relation to a possible merger of the two companies. These discussions have now been terminated.


Would have been interesting if these 2 merged..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 12:49:32 PM
Wouldn't ya just love to have been on that boat for the Dec 30th meeting...I also wonder where John Silvetti was during this time period!Inquiring minds want to know.. ::MonkeyWink::

According to Kyle Kingman ... it appears that John Silvetti was at the December 30th meeting.

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.

Kyle Kingman: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle Kingman: This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 12:50:07 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/GoodMorning3.jpg)

Good morning San!   ::MonkeyDance::

Have some coffee.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/coffee_pot_steaming_md_clr.gif)

I'm on my second cup!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Texasmom and San ... you are soooo mean.

Janet


Sorry Janet!   ::MonkeyWaa::

But I don't think I could get going in the morning without caffeine!  I can't even imagine trying!  But I do admire your ability to do it!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:54:22 PM
Venezuela Delays Orinoco Bids by 2 Weeks     
  by  Nancy Agin      Rigzone      Thursday, March 05, 2009 


According to a report by Bloomberg, the Norwegian embassy in Caracas has confirmed that Venezuela will postpone a major offer of proved reserves to private companies by two or three weeks. The embassy noted that bids were scheduled to launch on April 16.

StatoilHydro, a major Norwegian player in the petroleum industry, will participate in the bidding round for the Carabobo area of the Orinoco Belt, one of the world's largest natural bitumen and heavy oil accumulations. The Carabobo area itself is estimated to hold 32 billion barrels of proved reserves.

  Related Pictures   

Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt
(Click to Enlarge)
 
For the Carabobo Round, state-run Petroleos de Venezuela SA, or PDVSA, intends to establish three joint ventures with international companies and secure investments between $15 billion and $20 billion for each project, the Norwegian embassy said.

PDVSA  unveiled that oil majors BP and Chevron were among 19 companies that paid $2 million for bidding data packages, and that 47 companies were engaged in the auction that began on Oct. 30, Bloomberg reports.

In other news, Oil Minister and PDVSA President Rafael Ramirez, who was unavailable to comment on the bidding round's postponement, said in a statement this week that the company intends to reduce its spending on oil-service contractors by 40%.


This could prove to be interesting?LifeSong.When did Jim Mermis go down to Venezuela again?Wonder if he was bidding on a project?Maybe not this one but,a contract in general..
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 12:55:41 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Link for article above..

http://www.rigzone.com/NEWS/article.asp?a_id=73712


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:01:40 PM
Venezuela Delays Orinoco Bids by 2 Weeks     
  by  Nancy Agin      Rigzone      Thursday, March 05, 2009 


According to a report by Bloomberg, the Norwegian embassy in Caracas has confirmed that Venezuela will postpone a major offer of proved reserves to private companies by two or three weeks. The embassy noted that bids were scheduled to launch on April 16.

StatoilHydro, a major Norwegian player in the petroleum industry, will participate in the bidding round for the Carabobo area of the Orinoco Belt, one of the world's largest natural bitumen and heavy oil accumulations. The Carabobo area itself is estimated to hold 32 billion barrels of proved reserves.

  Related Pictures   

Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt
(Click to Enlarge)
 
For the Carabobo Round, state-run Petroleos de Venezuela SA, or PDVSA, intends to establish three joint ventures with international companies and secure investments between $15 billion and $20 billion for each project, the Norwegian embassy said.

PDVSA  unveiled that oil majors BP and Chevron were among 19 companies that paid $2 million for bidding data packages, and that 47 companies were engaged in the auction that began on Oct. 30, Bloomberg reports.

In other news, Oil Minister and PDVSA President Rafael Ramirez, who was unavailable to comment on the bidding round's postponement, said in a statement this week that the company intends to reduce its spending on oil-service contractors by 40%.


This could prove to be interesting?LifeSong.When did Jim Mermis go down to Venezuela again?Wonder if he was bidding on a project?Maybe not this one but,a contract in general..
 
 


  Chavez Gives Foreign Companies in Orinoco Projects May 1 Ultimatum     
  BNamericas      Friday, February 02, 2007  


The foreign companies that partner Venezuelan state oil firm PDVSA in Orinoco upgrade projects have until May 1 to adapt their structures to new joint ventures in which PDVSA is to have at least 60%, President Hugo Chavez said on Thursday afternoon.
"I'm sure they will accept because we will continue to be partners, but if they do not agree, they are free to leave," Chavez said, according to state news agency ABN.


  Related Pictures   

Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt
(Click to Enlarge)
 
The president said a new ad hoc law may be necessary to regulate the new ventures, which currently produce some 600,000b/d of synthetic crude.
Chavez was granted special powers on Wednesday by the national assembly that allow him to rule by decree in matters he deems "strategic."

The four Orinoco projects are Ameriven, Cerro Negro, Sincor and Petrozuata. Partners include BP  (NYSE: BP), ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP), Chevron  (NYSE: CVX), ExxonMobil  (NYSE: XOM), Total (NYSE: TOT) and Statoil  (NYSE: STA).

PDVSA currently has stakes of around 40% in each of the projects.


http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=40794
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 01:02:04 PM

Here you go LifeSong!

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=27085

Thanks, KTF, got it!

Look at this: 

Quote

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #689 on: January 02, 2009, 11:24:51 PM » (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610224#msg610224)

Post by billb:

John S and kyle work in a very small pool of expertize.....I'm probably more cynical than you may be Anna....
At some point, after the persistence crew, led by John S as project manager...strike a deal with the devil (aruba), good things came to John S (company picking up a Netherlands  branch) and kyle's good fortune with his "big bucks" jobs through the Netherlands branch....
Somethings not right....

Maybe billb already had it figured out a couple of months ago!  Can you check when GeoLab got a Netherlands branch?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:07:20 PM

Here you go LifeSong!

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=27085

Thanks, KTF, got it!

Look at this: 

Quote

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #689 on: January 02, 2009, 11:24:51 PM » (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610224#msg610224)

Post by billb:

John S and kyle work in a very small pool of expertize.....I'm probably more cynical than you may be Anna....
At some point, after the persistence crew, led by John S as project manager...strike a deal with the devil (aruba), good things came to John S (company picking up a Netherlands  branch) and kyle's good fortune with his "big bucks" jobs through the Netherlands branch....
Somethings not right....

Maybe billb already had it figured out a couple of months ago!  Can you check when GeoLab got a Netherlands branch?



Will try to do that LifeSong!Didn't GeoLab hire a BIG "BP" guy C.j.Appleyard!

GeoLab Group Appoints C. Appleyard As New General Manager For GeoLab LLC.  
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.
 

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:12:01 PM
Venezuela Delays Orinoco Bids by 2 Weeks     
  by  Nancy Agin      Rigzone      Thursday, March 05, 2009 


According to a report by Bloomberg, the Norwegian embassy in Caracas has confirmed that Venezuela will postpone a major offer of proved reserves to private companies by two or three weeks. The embassy noted that bids were scheduled to launch on April 16.

StatoilHydro, a major Norwegian player in the petroleum industry, will participate in the bidding round for the Carabobo area of the Orinoco Belt, one of the world's largest natural bitumen and heavy oil accumulations. The Carabobo area itself is estimated to hold 32 billion barrels of proved reserves.

  Related Pictures   

Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt
(Click to Enlarge)
 
For the Carabobo Round, state-run Petroleos de Venezuela SA, or PDVSA, intends to establish three joint ventures with international companies and secure investments between $15 billion and $20 billion for each project, the Norwegian embassy said.

PDVSA  unveiled that oil majors BP and Chevron were among 19 companies that paid $2 million for bidding data packages, and that 47 companies were engaged in the auction that began on Oct. 30, Bloomberg reports.

In other news, Oil Minister and PDVSA President Rafael Ramirez, who was unavailable to comment on the bidding round's postponement, said in a statement this week that the company intends to reduce its spending on oil-service contractors by 40%.


This could prove to be interesting?LifeSong.When did Jim Mermis go down to Venezuela again?Wonder if he was bidding on a project?Maybe not this one but,a contract in general..
 
 


  Chavez Gives Foreign Companies in Orinoco Projects May 1 Ultimatum     
  BNamericas      Friday, February 02, 2007  


The foreign companies that partner Venezuelan state oil firm PDVSA in Orinoco upgrade projects have until May 1 to adapt their structures to new joint ventures in which PDVSA is to have at least 60%, President Hugo Chavez said on Thursday afternoon.
"I'm sure they will accept because we will continue to be partners, but if they do not agree, they are free to leave," Chavez said, according to state news agency ABN.


  Related Pictures   

Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt
(Click to Enlarge)
 
The president said a new ad hoc law may be necessary to regulate the new ventures, which currently produce some 600,000b/d of synthetic crude.
Chavez was granted special powers on Wednesday by the national assembly that allow him to rule by decree in matters he deems "strategic."

The four Orinoco projects are Ameriven, Cerro Negro, Sincor and Petrozuata. Partners include BP  (NYSE: BP), ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP), Chevron  (NYSE: CVX), ExxonMobil  (NYSE: XOM), Total (NYSE: TOT) and Statoil  (NYSE: STA).

PDVSA currently has stakes of around 40% in each of the projects.


http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=40794
 


GeoLab Group Appoints C. Appleyard As New General Manager For GeoLab LLC.  
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 01:14:17 PM

Here's the rest of that Appleyard article, bear with me - I have a question...

"GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process."



I have no idea what the ISO 9002 control process IS...but if Silvetti violated it...that might give us an in...does that even make sense?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:15:32 PM
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE VESSEL

With respect to the Endeavor, according to CW 1, the Endeavor was purchased
through a company owned by one of Defendant Mermis's friends.
 
from p. 21 of 59 CW 5 reported: "$25 million Superior Endeavor refurbishment"
(https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025 - link provided by KeeptingTheFaith)


Operations Update

The Company has entered into a contract for the Superior Endeavor to work in Saudi Arabia for approximately one year. The vessel is currently in transit and is expected to arrive in approximately two weeks.
https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025 - link provided by KeepingTheFaith)




The charter for the Gulmar Falcon was terminated by the vessel owner due to
the Company's inability to pay its obligations when due.(P. 45 FROM https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025 - Link provided by KeepingTheFaith)
<snip>
• Approximately $3.5 million related to the early termination of the Gulmar Falcon;

BUT

OPERATIONS UPDATE
Although the vessel owner has terminated the charter for Gulmar Falcon, the Company is continuing to use the vessel on a short term basisuntil it completes its current project.
https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025

The Company has entered into a subcharter for the Gulmar Condor, which the Company has chartered until April 2009 , to work in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico for approximately six months, beginning March 10, 2008 .
https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025 (article credit KeepingTheFaith)

BUT
As everyone is aware, our Trinidad project was running full steam ahead during the third quarter. Three of our vessels, the Gulmar Condor, Seamec III, and the Crossmar 14 are
still currently working there for BP.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/54414-superior-offshore-international-q3-2007-earnings-call-transcript?page=2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:16:50 PM

Here's the rest of that Appleyard article, bear with me - I have a question...

"GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process."



I have no idea what the ISO 9002 control process IS...but if Silvetti violated it...that might give us an in...does that even make sense?



No!But i'm sure we'll find out... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:21:50 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:23:11 PM
Boats owned by Superior Offshore:

Superior Endeavour Vanuatu Own 2004 (2) 10/2004 265 8,600 61 Yes(3) 50
Gulmar Falcon Panama Charter(4) 2006 04/2006 220 9,235 73 Yes(3) 30
Gulmar Condor Marshall Charter(5) 2006 07/2007 341 10,764 128 Yes(3) 120/70
Islands
Adams Surveyor Bahrain Charter(6) 2007 03/2007 228 5,084 54 No(7) 45
Toisa Puma Liberia Charter( 2007 - 253 4,672 60 Yes(3) 25
Seamec III India Charter(9) 2007 07/2007 304 5,124 90 Yes(3) 50/10
Four-Point Vessels:
Gulf Diver III U.S. Own 2003 09/2003 165 1,034 36 No 10
Gulf Diver IV (10) U.S. Own 2005 - 168 2,880 43 No 15
Gulf Diver V U.S. Own 2005 03/2006 180 3,330 23 No 15
Gulf Diver VI U.S. Own 2006 09/2006 166 2,890 38 No 15
----------

Boats in Trinidad as of November 2007:

Gulmar Condor,
Seamec III,
Crossmar 14
-----------------------

Boats owned by Legacy:

Gulf Diver V
Gulmar Falcon
Sun River
Ocean Veritas



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 01:26:44 PM

Here's the rest of that Appleyard article, bear with me - I have a question...

"GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process."



I have no idea what the ISO 9002 control process IS...but if Silvetti violated it...that might give us an in...does that even make sense?



No!But i'm sure we'll find out... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::  You said:  "No!"   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just thinking that if Silvetti is held to a certain standard of operation by an industry oversight group and if he violated those standards of operation during this voyage, which he WAS hired to perform, then there might actually be real-life consequences for both him and GeoLab as a whole.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:29:03 PM

Here's the rest of that Appleyard article, bear with me - I have a question...

"GeoLab LLC is a member of the GeoLab Group of Companies providing extensive experience in supporting a diverse range of specialist data-gathering, survey and seabed mapping services to support the marine construction, hydrocarbon, telecommunication, and maritime industries worldwide.

The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity. The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

The services provided by the company are subject to an ISO 9002 control process to ensure that the deliverable items satisfy the clients' requirements. The extent of services covered by the accreditation covers all supporting activities inclusive of Project and Operational Management compliance functions and is summarized within the scope of the ISO charter. Health, Safety, Environmental and Risk management are all components of the system, which dovetail into the Quality compliance process."



I have no idea what the ISO 9002 control process IS...but if Silvetti violated it...that might give us an in...does that even make sense?



No!But i'm sure we'll find out... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::  You said:  "No!"   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just thinking that if Silvetti is held to a certain standard of operation by an industry oversight group and if he violated those standards of operation during this voyage, which he WAS hired to perform, then there might actually be real-life consequences for both him and GeoLab as a whole.



Now i understand and that is an interesting angle!We will find out won't we! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 01:31:59 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


I get the angle you're working Kermit, and its a good one.  I'm just having a hard time keeping it all straight and putting dates to it.  I figure if I just keep adding it all to the timeline it'll eventually wash out.

We know Mermis was travelling to Venezuela during the Class Action period, which was approx. iirc from the IPO in April 2007 to January 28(?), 2008.  During the planning and first half of the search.
We don't know yet if he was going there before the IPO, but I imagine he may well have been.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:32:23 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


Did Schaefer not lease back the Superior Achiever?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 01:32:36 PM

<snipped>

Look at this: 

Quote

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #689 on: January 02, 2009, 11:24:51 PM » (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610224#msg610224)

Post by billb:

John S and kyle work in a very small pool of expertize.....I'm probably more cynical than you may be Anna....
At some point, after the persistence crew, led by John S as project manager...strike a deal with the devil (aruba), good things came to John S (company picking up a Netherlands  branch) and kyle's good fortune with his "big bucks" jobs through the Netherlands branch....
Somethings not right....

Maybe billb already had it figured out a couple of months ago!  Can you check when GeoLab got a Netherlands branch?


It appears that John Silvetti's connections have benefited both Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller ... the two who sooo convinced that the December 29th ROV images reveal the remains of Natalee Holloway and ... soo convinced that something was hinky in regards to the December 30th dive.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Janet

+++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman[/b]

Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008


On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

<snipped>

The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent  who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - 08/1/08:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.


TIM MILLER

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008
Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #784 12/8/08 -
« Reply #192 on: December 09, 2008, 04:50:23 PM »


http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4227.msg573198


Bergfeld, Chase - Richland Chambers Reservoir, TX- missing 12/13/08
Posted on 17. Jan, 2009 by B Tarr in Memorials


12/18/08 - Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/


Search for Missing Kayaker - Dr. Stephen Zella, in Seabrook, TX - TES needs searchers
Posted on 22. Feb, 2009 by B Tarr in Active Cases, Featured Articles, Missing Persons


02/22/09 - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 - As of 10:15 pm, Texas EquuSearch has been joined in the search for Dr. Zella by the Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Company, both out of Louisiana. We will continue searching tonight, as long as possible.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/search-for-missing-kayaker-in-seabrook-tx-tes-needs-searchers/


Search team hopes they are close to finding missing kayaker
Bay Area Citizen
By DANA GUTHRIE
Updated: 02.24.09


On Monday, five different groups were using sonar equipment to scan the bottom of Clear Lake — League City, Nassau Bay, the Montgomery County Constable’s office and The Silvetti Group  and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Co., both of Louisiana, Black said. Equusearch said the sonar teams and divers will work through most of Monday night.

“The winds have not let up on us to allow us to do anything much until now,” Black said Monday afternoon.

The search will continue on Tuesday beginning at 8 a.m. Volunteers are needed and encouraged to visit the command center located at the Clear Lake Park boat ramp on NASA Parkway in Seabrook.

At about 10:15 p.m. Sunday, the search team was joined by The Silvetti  Group and Legacy arrived with divers, who began searching shortly thereafter and continued diving until about 5 a.m. Monday.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/02/24/bay_area_citizen/news/2kayak26.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:37:37 PM
GEOLAB SILVETTIAND COMPANY LLC, CHANGED THE NAME TO GEOLAB LLC IN 2001
(NOTE THIS COMPANY HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS APS ABOVE) GEOLAB SILVETTI CO. 401 MECCA ST # B (337)-291-1120
http://www.looboo.com/list/US/LA/Lafayette/localinks

<snip>
following a reorganization in Q4, 2001.
<snip>
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.
<snip>
The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity.
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK),
GeoLab srl. (Italy),
GeoLab bv (Netherlands),
 GeoLab LLC (USA) and
GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
Just thinking that if Silvetti is held to a certain standard of operation by an industry oversight group and if he violated those standards of operation during this voyage, which he WAS hired to perform, then there might actually be real-life consequences for both him and GeoLab as a whole.

I understand where you are going. Very smart.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 01:45:06 PM
GEOLAB SILVETTIAND COMPANY LLC, CHANGED THE NAME TO GEOLAB LLC IN 2001
(NOTE THIS COMPANY HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS APS ABOVE) GEOLAB SILVETTI CO. 401 MECCA ST # B (337)-291-1120
http://www.looboo.com/list/US/LA/Lafayette/localinks

<snip>
following a reorganization in Q4, 2001.
<snip>
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.
<snip>
The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity.
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK),
GeoLab srl. (Italy),
GeoLab bv (Netherlands),
 GeoLab LLC (USA) and
GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Thanks, Kermit.  They already had the Netherlands branch then.

Silvetti IS still GeoLab, LLC though, right?  It's not on his website listed as one of the JD Silvetti companies.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:49:45 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


Did Schaefer not lease back the Superior Achiever?

SUPERIOR ACHIEVER launched at IHC Krimpen Shipyard
21 January 2008
Krimpen Shipyard is in the Netherlands

 Superior Offshore International awards Holland-based Merwede Shipyards to build the Superior Achiever,


December 20,2007, defendants revealed that the Company would be forced to sell the Superior Achiever
<snip>
(https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025 - link provided by KeeptingTheFaith)

Disposition of Assets and Breaches of Contracts.
Sale of the Superior Achiever for approximately $70.0 million, the proceeds
of which the Company used, among other things, to repay in full its term loan
obligation to Fortis Capital Corp. and to repay a portion of its borrowings
under its senior secured credit facility with JPMorgan Chase Bank.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 01:51:16 PM
Here's a couple that I can't remember being posting or seeing posted.....



http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Oct.19.05ClearancebyUSDOJforSaleofCertainAssetsto.pdf

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Nov.02.05AgreementwithCalDiveonSaleofCertainAssets.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


Did Schaefer not lease back the Superior Achiever?

SUPERIOR ACHIEVER launched at IHC Krimpen Shipyard
21 January 2008
Krimpen Shipyard is in the Netherlands

 Superior Offshore International awards Holland-based Merwede Shipyards to build the Superior Achiever,


December 20,2007, defendants revealed that the Company would be forced to sell the Superior Achiever
<snip>
(https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2112025 - link provided by KeeptingTheFaith)

Disposition of Assets and Breaches of Contracts.
Sale of the Superior Achiever for approximately $70.0 million, the proceeds
of which the Company used, among other things, to repay in full its term loan
obligation to Fortis Capital Corp. and to repay a portion of its borrowings
under its senior secured credit facility with JPMorgan Chase Bank.







Thanx Kermit.No more Achiever talk! ::MonkeyHaHa:: We've got a lot of great thing's to look at..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:53:39 PM
GEOLAB SILVETTIAND COMPANY LLC, CHANGED THE NAME TO GEOLAB LLC IN 2001
(NOTE THIS COMPANY HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS APS ABOVE) GEOLAB SILVETTI CO. 401 MECCA ST # B (337)-291-1120
http://www.looboo.com/list/US/LA/Lafayette/localinks

<snip>
following a reorganization in Q4, 2001.
<snip>
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.
<snip>
The GeoLab group of companies operates through a network of strategically located companies to provide its customers with a global service. Experienced field proven professionals, whom in turn service the needs of their local customers, manage each entity.
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK),
GeoLab srl. (Italy),
GeoLab bv (Netherlands),
 GeoLab LLC (USA) and
GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


Thanks, Kermit.  They already had the Netherlands branch then.

Silvetti IS still GeoLab, LLC though, right?  It's not on his website listed as one of the JD Silvetti companies.

Looks like he  changed the name to GeoLab LLC



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 01:55:38 PM
Thanx Kermit.No more Achiever talk! ::MonkeyHaHa:: We've got a lot of great thing's to look at..

Follow the boats.

RECAP of the above post:

Mermis moves to Superior Offshore and purchases Superior Endeavor
Superior Offshore puts 25 million to refurbish that vessel.

Superior Offshore is in bankruptcy
BUT Superior Endeavor is currently on its way to Saudi Arubia for a year through a contract

Gulmar Falcon vessel owned by Superior Offshore is also terminated due to Superior Offshore's bankruptcy troubles.

BUT it's continuing to charter the boat for a short term

Gulmar Condor vessel owned by Superior Offshore is chartered until April 2009 and working for BP in Trinidad.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
wreck
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #846 on: March 06, 2009, 02:43:37 AM »


Well, in MY opinion --it goes beyond getting "chumped". I think Kyle knew (and cared about what was going on) until about June '08 when he started looking at Silvetti being his "gravy train". I'm sorry to say that the Persistence crew either got WAAAAY side-tracked or were not genuous from the start.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg706134#msg706134


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #849 on: March 06, 2009, 03:04:20 AM »


Wreck ... I agree. I believe that Kyle was troubled by the obvious betrayal by John Silvetti of Natalee Holloway's family.  The ROV images sent to the FBI and ... his connection with the Natalee's Freebirds ... tells me that he wanted the deception exposed.

I believe that John Silvetti, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer realized that Kyle Kingsman was a force that had to be reckoned with or there would be legal and professional fallout from the Persistence undertaking.  Incentives involving major network deals and career opportunities was where it was at in the name of appeasement.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg706174;topicseen#msg706174



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 02:04:29 PM
It is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers must be discredited.

Janet

++++++++++


iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM »


If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »


This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940

Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 02:09:07 PM

Quote

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg703776#msg703776

Tamikosmom

"From my perspective ... I consider it a betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family to dialogue whether John Silvetti's actions as project head can be justified."


I feel the same way, Janet, as it relates to "dialogue" implying Tim "the liability" Miller was/is in cahoots with Silvetti.

JMO and only MO


Gotta run for awhile, guys.  BBL



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:09:50 PM
It is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers must be discredited.

Janet

++++++++++


iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM »


If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »


This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940

Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240

LOGIC DICTATES JANET..I do believe we have some supporters left,they just haven't fully exposed themselves as of yet..JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 02:10:29 PM
Off to world famous Stanley Park for the day.  A visit to The Vancouver Aquarium while we are at the park is where it is at.

It is a beautiful day in the West ... just north of the the American border.

Have a good Saturday all!

Janet
11:10 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:11:32 PM
Off to world famous Stanley Park for the day.  A visit to The Vancouver Aquarium while we are at the park is where it is at.

It is a beautiful day in the West ... just north of the the American border.

Have a good Saturday all!

Janet
11:10 AM PT

Good day to Janet,as well as LifeSong! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
Here's a couple that I can't remember being posting or seeing posted.....



http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Oct.19.05ClearancebyUSDOJforSaleofCertainAssetsto.pdf

http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/acergy/uploads/generalreleases/Nov.02.05AgreementwithCalDiveonSaleofCertainAssets.pdf

I believe i've seen these just in different articles!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


I get the angle you're working Kermit, and its a good one.  I'm just having a hard time keeping it all straight and putting dates to it.  I figure if I just keep adding it all to the timeline it'll eventually wash out.

We know Mermis was travelling to Venezuela during the Class Action period, which was approx. iirc from the IPO in April 2007 to January 28(?), 2008.  During the planning and first half of the search.
We don't know yet if he was going there before the IPO, but I imagine he may well have been.


It is really hard following all these vessels and it gets into a bit of a quagmire.

And Mermis is involved in the buyback agreement with Legacy.

Mermis resigns from Superior Offshore and plans to join - Kaplan Industry

Mermis said in that Q & A clip that they were setting up the IPO
"as we set up the IPO here, the executive management received restricted stock. That stock vests over a four and a half year period. The first tranche came six months after the IPO,

It's traunch or traunche not tranche.
Meaning a number of stock transaction.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
Thanx Kermit.No more Achiever talk! ::MonkeyHaHa:: We've got a lot of great thing's to look at..

Follow the boats.

RECAP of the above post:

Mermis moves to Superior Offshore and purchases Superior Endeavor
Superior Offshore puts 25 million to refurbish that vessel.

Superior Offshore is in bankruptcy
BUT Superior Endeavor is currently on its way to Saudi Arubia for a year through a contract

Gulmar Falcon vessel owned by Superior Offshore is also terminated due to Superior Offshore's bankruptcy troubles.

BUT it's continuing to charter the boat for a short term

Gulmar Condor vessel owned by Superior Offshore is chartered until April 2009 and working for BP in Trinidad.




 
    Superior Offshore Sees 3Q07 Revenues Increase     
  Superior Offshore International, Inc.      Thursday, November 15, 2007 
 

Fleet Update:


The Superior Endeavour, a DP II saturation Dive Support Vessel ("DSV"), returned to service in September 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues in October. It has committed work through December 2007;
The Gulmar Condor, a DP II saturation DSV, experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter of 2007 while working in Trinidad. Installation of a saturation diving system and work-class remotely operated vehicle ("ROV") was completed during the quarter. This vessel has a deepwater heave-compensated crane and is currently being bid on projects that capitalize on synergies that will be provided by Ocean Flow in the deepwater market. She will enable Superior Offshore to secure the track record needed before final commissioning of the Superior Achiever;
The Seamec III, a DP II saturation DSV, is on hire in Trinidad and experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter. The Company is currently marketing her in Trinidad and is seeking opportunities to keep her utilized in the area after completion of the BP project;
The Adams Surveyor,  a DP II vessel, is currently providing deepwater ROV services in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. This vessel experienced strong utilization during the third quarter, and the Company is negotiating for another ROV vessel to be chartered into the fleet;
The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues in November. She has committed work in the Gulf for the remainder of this year and will come up for re-charter in April 2008. Assuming utilization of its DP assets remains strong as anticipated, Superior Offshore will negotiate a renewal of her charter;
The Toisa Puma, a DP II vessel, is in drydock and has not generated any revenues to date. Superior Offshore is currently engaged in a dispute with the vessel's owner regarding the vessel's readiness for its intended use;
The Crossmar XIV, an anchored subsea construction barge, is currently on hire in Trinidad and based on weather could see utilization there through the end of this year. The Company is working with its partner, Crossmar, to secure additional work for the vessel, either in Trinidad or the Gulf of Mexico;
The Gulf Diver III, V and VI  four-point surface diving vessels continued to experience low utilization and declining dayrates due to decreasing demand in the Gulf of Mexico. Superior Offshore is exploring the possibility of moving some of these vessels to locations outside of the Gulf of Mexico. The Company is currently considering several strategic alternatives for the Gulf Diver IV, including refurbishment or sale;
Construction of the Superior Achiever, a 430-foot DP III vessel, remains on schedule, with delivery expected in the second half of 2008.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:35:20 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Link for the article above

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52921

This is what they were saying in 2007 regarding these vessel's..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 02:36:18 PM
How about this one.... ::MonkeyWink::

BPTT, Superior complete Cashima, Mango subsea lines

In 2007, BP Trinidad and Tobago (bpTT) plans were to produce two new gas fields, Cashima and Mango, to supply gas both to the domestic market and for LNG exports to the US. This required installation and connection of the fields’ subsea pipeline and riser system. In addition, two further pieces of work were needed: connection of the Beachfield Upstream Development (BUD) gas pipeline, operated by Trinidad’s National Gas Company, to bpTT’s greater Cassia central processing hub; and also connection of the new tanker loading oil pipeline, the NOEL (new oil export loading) pipeline, with the Galeota terminal in Southeast Trinidad. BPTT contracted Superior Offshore for the work.

http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/327124/120/ARTCL/none/none/1/BPTT,-Superior-complete-Cashima,-Mango-subsea-lines/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 02:40:48 PM

Quote

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg703776#msg703776

Tamikosmom

"From my perspective ... I consider it a betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family to dialogue whether John Silvetti's actions as project head can be justified."


I feel the same way, Janet, as it relates to "dialogue" implying Tim "the liability" Miller was/is in cahoots with Silvetti.

JMO and only MO


Gotta run for awhile, guys.  BBL



Lifesong ... both Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller became "liabilities" in my opinion ... liabilities who needed to be appease if John Silvetti was going to avoid legal and professional fallouts in regards to the chain of custody of the samples ... the chain of custody that involved only the Arubans ... the enemy.

I am only attempting to comprehend why both these "liabilities" are benefiting from an professional relationship with John Silvetti.  I would assume that their heartfelt concerns in regarding the events encompassing the sample recovery process would dictate otherwise.  I would assume that support for Natalee Holloway and her family would dictate otherwise.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.


THE DATELINE SPECIAL

The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008


Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  ... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:41:22 PM
How about this one.... ::MonkeyWink::

BPTT, Superior complete Cashima, Mango subsea lines

In 2007, BP Trinidad and Tobago (bpTT) plans were to produce two new gas fields, Cashima and Mango, to supply gas both to the domestic market and for LNG exports to the US. This required installation and connection of the fields’ subsea pipeline and riser system. In addition, two further pieces of work were needed: connection of the Beachfield Upstream Development (BUD) gas pipeline, operated by Trinidad’s National Gas Company, to bpTT’s greater Cassia central processing hub; and also connection of the new tanker loading oil pipeline, the NOEL (new oil export loading) pipeline, with the Galeota terminal in Southeast Trinidad. BPTT contracted Superior Offshore for the work.

http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/327124/120/ARTCL/none/none/1/BPTT,-Superior-complete-Cashima,-Mango-subsea-lines/

Just got done reading that article.  ::MonkeyWink:: It provides how many days each shipped worked on the project in Trinidad.Do we have a date they started the project down there??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:43:09 PM
How about this one.... ::MonkeyWink::

BPTT, Superior complete Cashima, Mango subsea lines

In 2007, BP Trinidad and Tobago (bpTT) plans were to produce two new gas fields, Cashima and Mango, to supply gas both to the domestic market and for LNG exports to the US. This required installation and connection of the fields’ subsea pipeline and riser system. In addition, two further pieces of work were needed: connection of the Beachfield Upstream Development (BUD) gas pipeline, operated by Trinidad’s National Gas Company, to bpTT’s greater Cassia central processing hub; and also connection of the new tanker loading oil pipeline, the NOEL (new oil export loading) pipeline, with the Galeota terminal in Southeast Trinidad. BPTT contracted Superior Offshore for the work.

http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/327124/120/ARTCL/none/none/1/BPTT,-Superior-complete-Cashima,-Mango-subsea-lines/

Just got done reading that article.  ::MonkeyWink:: It provides how many days each shipped worked on the project in Trinidad.Do we have a date they started the project down there??

Kermit.Do you know when Superior started the project in Trinidad??This could give us a good time frame!I will continue to search for it..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess. I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family. In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed. He couldn't wait. He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident. It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth. This was Dec 30th


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 02:48:38 PM

We know Mermis was travelling to Venezuela during the Class Action period, which was approx. iirc from the IPO in April 2007 to January 28(?), 2008.  During the planning and first half of the search.
We don't know yet if he was going there before the IPO, but I imagine he may well have been.

One thing is for certain, Mermis was making big decisions about the company by Nov. 2007.

“During the third quarter of 2007, we realized improved vessel utilization as compared with the first half of the year,” said president and CEO James Mermis in a statement. “All of our dynamically positioned vessels are currently under hire, except for [one], which is in dry dock until early December 2007.”

However, Superior Offshore had to temporarily dry-dock two vessels during the third-quarter, a move which negatively affected its earnings. The company also attributed the profit decline to softening demand for call-out diving services.


Boats in Trinidad as of November 2007:
Gulmar Condor, Seamec III, and the Crossmar 14


Trading Date Name Title Type Shares Traded Price
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:49:30 PM
Koprowski v. Legacy Offshore L L C et al
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Plaintiff: Mariusz P Koprowski
Defendant: Legacy Offshore L L C and Aries Marine Corporation
 
Case Number: 6:2009cv00321
Filed: February 27, 2009  


Is this the same Legacy Offshore?? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 02:49:33 PM
Off to world famous Stanley Park for the day.  A visit to The Vancouver Aquarium while we are at the park is where it is at.

It is a beautiful day in the West ... just north of the the American border.

Have a good Saturday all!

Janet
11:10 AM PT

Good day to Janet,as well as LifeSong! ::MonkeyWink::


Thank you Keepthefaith.

I am off.  A bite of lunch and then our outing.

Janet
11:50 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:50:47 PM
Koprowski v. Legacy Offshore L L C et al
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Case Number: 6:2009cv00321
Filed: February 27, 2009  


Is this the same Legacy Offshore?? ::MonkeyWink::

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-lawdce/case_no-6:2009cv00321/case_id-110451/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 02:51:46 PM
How about this one.... ::MonkeyWink::

BPTT, Superior complete Cashima, Mango subsea lines

In 2007, BP Trinidad and Tobago (bpTT) plans were to produce two new gas fields, Cashima and Mango, to supply gas both to the domestic market and for LNG exports to the US. This required installation and connection of the fields’ subsea pipeline and riser system. In addition, two further pieces of work were needed: connection of the Beachfield Upstream Development (BUD) gas pipeline, operated by Trinidad’s National Gas Company, to bpTT’s greater Cassia central processing hub; and also connection of the new tanker loading oil pipeline, the NOEL (new oil export loading) pipeline, with the Galeota terminal in Southeast Trinidad. BPTT contracted Superior Offshore for the work.

http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/327124/120/ARTCL/none/none/1/BPTT,-Superior-complete-Cashima,-Mango-subsea-lines/

Just got done reading that article.  ::MonkeyWink:: It provides how many days each shipped worked on the project in Trinidad.Do we have a date they started the project down there??

Kermit.Do you know when Superior started the project in Trinidad??This could give us a good time frame!I will continue to search for it..

Third quarter 2007 revenues were significantly enhanced by the ongoing BP Trinidad project but were negatively impacted by the dry-dockings of the Superior Endeavour and Gulmar Falcon. Both vessels have returned to service and are currently on hire, although neither generated any revenue in the third quarter of 2007
<snip>
Three of our vessels are working on our BP Trinidad project-- the largest project in company history. We expect to keep some of our assets in Trinidad after the BP project is completed around the end of the year, and we have been awarded a project with another E&P company when assets become available. We have established an office in Trinidad to pursue additional work opportunities in the region
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52921



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Link for the article above

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52921

This is what they were saying in 2007 regarding these vessel's..

If you were someone investing in stock in this company and you read that article, would you not be impressed and think the company is viable?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
Superior liftboat selected for 30-in. pull in Trinidad

Superior Energy Services’ Marine Division has been contracted by Michels Directional Crossings and BP Trinidad to provide a liftboat for the BP NOEL Project in Trinidad.

The Superior Valor, l60-ft liftboat, will run the string necessary to pull a 30-in. pipeline from the beach to BP’s SPM tanker loading facility, located approximately 5 km offshore.

 

The Superior Valor is situated on top of a barge in Galveston, Texas, ready for departure to Trinidad.

 

“The vessel will set up in approximately 45 ft of water offshore,” says Jerry Dardar, international safety management system director and international technical coordinator for Superior’s Marine Division.

A pilot hole will be drilled from a unit on the beach to a predetermined exit point,” says Dardar. The drill stem then will be brought aboard the Valor and mated to a drilling unit on the vessel.

“After the hole diameter is reached, the liftboat will assist in the pull back of the 30-in. pipeline back through to the beach facility,” he says.

The vessel was transported to Trinidad by a heavy-lift submersible barge. It departed on Oct. 4 from Galveston, Texas, for its 12-day voyage. Once there, the boat was floated off the barge into open waters.

The Valor was chosen for the job due to its large deck load capacity for a 160-ft class vessel. The contract is among the first of international work for Superior’s Marine Division. The company is in negotiations for additional work for the liftboat in Trinidad and Venezuela following the BP commitment. It is anticipated that vessel will remain in international waters for at least six months.

Page 1 of 1


Volume 66  Issue 11   November 2006


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Superior Energy christens new liftboat

Offshore staff

NEW IBERIA, Louisiana -- Superior Energy Services' marine services division christened its new 175-ft (53-m) class liftboat, the Superior Future, on Friday, June 27 at Marine Industrial Fabrication.

Connie Babin, Superior's marine services division traffic coordinator, performed the christening.

The Superior Future has modern features, technology, and design unique to its class, Superior says, including a 100-ton, 100-ft (30.5- m) boom crane more commonly seen on larger vessels and a larger working deck and deckload.

07/07/2008



http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/333617/120/ARTCL/none/VESSL/1/Superior-Energy-christens-new-liftboat/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:58:44 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Link for the article above

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52921

This is what they were saying in 2007 regarding these vessel's..

If you were someone investing in stock in this company and you read that article, would you not be impressed and think the company is viable?



Looks very promising from what they were saying.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 02:59:35 PM
Koprowski v. Legacy Offshore L L C et al
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Case Number: 6:2009cv00321
Filed: February 27, 2009  


Is this the same Legacy Offshore?? ::MonkeyWink::

BUMP... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 03:00:45 PM

Quote

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg703776#msg703776

Tamikosmom

"From my perspective ... I consider it a betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family to dialogue whether John Silvetti's actions as project head can be justified."


I feel the same way, Janet, as it relates to "dialogue" implying Tim "the liability" Miller was/is in cahoots with Silvetti.

JMO and only MO


Gotta run for awhile, guys.  BBL



Lifesong ... both Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller became "liabilities" in my opinion ... liabilities who needed to be appease if John Silvetti was going to avoid legal and professional fallouts in regards to the chain of custody of the samples ... the chain of custody that involved only the Arubans ... the enemy.

I am only attempting to comprehend why both these "liabilities" are benefiting from an professional relationship with John Silvetti.  I would assume that their heartfelt concerns in regarding the events encompassing the sample recovery process would dictate otherwise.  I would assume that support for Natalee Holloway and her family would dictate otherwise.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.


THE DATELINE SPECIAL

The search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008


Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.  ... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Janet,

I would hardly equate Kyle Kingman with Tim Miller.  You obviously hold Kyle Kingman in a much higher regard than I do.

That's my whole point.  Tim Miller did not betray Natalee Holloway OR her family, nor would he, ever.

JMO and only MO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 03:00:46 PM
How about this one.... ::MonkeyWink::

BPTT, Superior complete Cashima, Mango subsea lines

In 2007, BP Trinidad and Tobago (bpTT) plans were to produce two new gas fields, Cashima and Mango, to supply gas both to the domestic market and for LNG exports to the US. This required installation and connection of the fields’ subsea pipeline and riser system. In addition, two further pieces of work were needed: connection of the Beachfield Upstream Development (BUD) gas pipeline, operated by Trinidad’s National Gas Company, to bpTT’s greater Cassia central processing hub; and also connection of the new tanker loading oil pipeline, the NOEL (new oil export loading) pipeline, with the Galeota terminal in Southeast Trinidad. BPTT contracted Superior Offshore for the work.

http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/327124/120/ARTCL/none/none/1/BPTT,-Superior-complete-Cashima,-Mango-subsea-lines/

Good find Hotping.



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NEW ORLEANS -- Superior Energy Services has received the newest vessel in its fleet, the derrick barge Superior Pride.

The Superior Pride is 400-ft (122-m) long, 100-ft (30-m) wide and 32-ft (9.8-m) deep and features an 880-metric ton crane manufactured by Husiman. It has a full galley and accommodations for 360 people.

The vessel was recently delivered to Superior in Xiamen, China, where it was loaded onto a Dockwise submersible ship, the Trustee, for a 30-day voyage to West Africa, where it will be employed under a long-term contract.

02/04/2009

http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/352424/120/ARTCL/none/VESSL/1/Superior-Energy-adds--Superior-Pride--to-fleet/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 03:04:07 PM
Koprowski v. Legacy Offshore L L C et al
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Plaintiff: Mariusz P Koprowski
Defendant: Legacy Offshore L L C and Aries Marine Corporation
 
Case Number: 6:2009cv00321
Filed: February 27, 2009  


Is this the same Legacy Offshore?? ::MonkeyWink::

BUMP... ::MonkeyCool::
I believe it is.....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 03:05:34 PM
Silvetti,Schaefer,BP,and South America.Could that be where it's at???Mermis going to Venezuela....For what? ::MonkeyCool::

That's what I'm wondering. And looking at the ships and how they are still being utilized.


I get the angle you're working Kermit, and its a good one.  I'm just having a hard time keeping it all straight and putting dates to it.  I figure if I just keep adding it all to the timeline it'll eventually wash out.

We know Mermis was travelling to Venezuela during the Class Action period, which was approx. iirc from the IPO in April 2007 to January 28(?), 2008.  During the planning and first half of the search.
We don't know yet if he was going there before the IPO, but I imagine he may well have been.


It is really hard following all these vessels and it gets into a bit of a quagmire.

And Mermis is involved in the buyback agreement with Legacy.

Mermis resigns from Superior Offshore and plans to join - Kaplan Industry

Mermis said in that Q & A clip that they were setting up the IPO
"as we set up the IPO here, the executive management received restricted stock. That stock vests over a four and a half year period. The first tranche came six months after the IPO,

It's traunch or traunche not tranche.
Meaning a number of stock transaction.



Kermit - the day after that conference call they changed that same exec. mgmt. stock agreement! I have to backtrack that still to document it, but it was posted here in the thread for whatever day it was found.  iirc, the conference call turned out to be the same day Schaefer resigned and then was selling more stock.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 03:16:36 PM
Very good website for research...Offshore Magazine....there is a search box...


http://www.offshore-mag.com/index.cfm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
"You have to be calm and cool," says Charles Zamora, general manager of Dive Operations for Superior Offshore International of Lafayette, La.  "You've got to have a good personality. You can't have a person that's not pleasant to hang around within a confined space like that."

http://www.supplylink.com/article/commercial-divers.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
I can't follow any of this!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Need flow chart, somebody to draw me a picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 03:32:53 PM
"You have to be calm and cool," says Charles Zamora, general manager of Dive Operations for Superior Offshore International of Lafayette, La.  "You've got to have a good personality. You can't have a person that's not pleasant to hang around within a confined space like that."

http://www.supplylink.com/article/commercial-divers.php

Legacy Offshore, LLC 128 Millstone Road, Louisiana, 70518-1470, United States.
Tel : 337-839-5550
Fax : 337-839-5595 Charles Zamora, VP
E-mail : charleszamora@legacyoffshore.com

Comprehensive Offshore & Inshore Dive Services.



Superior Diving Company Inc. 221 Gunther Lane, Belle Chasse, LA, 77037, United States.
Tel : 1 504 3931596
Fax : 1 504 3921828 Louis Shaefer
E-mail : jwlowrimore@superiordiving.com


http://www.longstreath.com/diving_companies.php?caID=1&couID=13


These are on the same list??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Sure is interesting that Superior Energy claims no association with Superior Offshore but they both name their boats "Superior Something".

Good work Hotping!

KTF - do you know what that lawsuit against Legacy is about?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 03:36:44 PM
Sure is interesting that Superior Energy claims no association with Superior Offshore but they both name their boats "Superior Something".

Good work Hotping!

KTF - do you know what that lawsuit against Legacy is about?



Been searching but can't find anything!The guy looks like an IT person but why would he group those two companies together in a lawsuit??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 03:39:03 PM
Will be off for awhile but will be abck on later..Go Monkey's...great work everybody.It will come.GREED will bring you down!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 04:06:22 PM
wreck
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #846 on: March 06, 2009, 02:43:37 AM »


Well, in MY opinion --it goes beyond getting "chumped". I think Kyle knew (and cared about what was going on) until about June '08 when he started looking at Silvetti being his "gravy train". I'm sorry to say that the Persistence crew either got WAAAAY side-tracked or were ingenuous  from the start.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg706134#msg706134


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -
« Reply #849 on: March 06, 2009, 03:04:20 AM »


Wreck ... I agree. I believe that Kyle was troubled by the obvious betrayal by John Silvetti of Natalee Holloway's family.  The ROV images sent to the FBI and ... his connection with the Natalee's Freebirds ... tells me that he wanted the deception exposed.

I believe that John Silvetti, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer realized that Kyle Kingsman was a force that had to be reckoned with or there would be legal and professional fallout from the Persistence undertaking.  Incentives involving major network deals and career opportunities was where it was at in the name of appeasement.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg706174;topicseen#msg706174


::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: Could you "edit" my comment to read "ingenuous" instead of "not genous"?? My poor grammar keeps getting re-exposed!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Edit-change "not genous" to "ingenuous" per Wreck's request


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 04:40:05 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::
THANK-YOU!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 05:33:21 PM

A new revision of the timeline is up.


Part 1 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg702238#msg702238).

Part 2 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg702541#msg702541)

Part 3 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg707748#msg707748).

Part 4 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg708688#msg708688).

Klaas, could you or one of theAmazingMods remove the previous revisions?  TIA!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 06:07:04 PM
When i get a chance i will have to read the timeline!Anything jump out to you as you go LifeSong??Getting ready to head out for dinner in a minute...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 07, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
When i get a chance i will have to read the timeline!Anything jump out to you as you go LifeSong??Getting ready to head out for dinner in a minute...


Its funny, KTF, with it divided into parts...I'm already well into the next revision before the last one goes up - so I haven't read the whole thing in a while.

Rob's hint peeked my curiousity...so I'll answer with this - alot going on in these 9 days:


Quote
02/20/2008NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) posts as oceanexploration at BFN (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7921.msg325687#msg325687):  “…Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”

02/22/2008
E. Briesen sends a letter to Juan Manuel Trujillo (http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/12_FEBR_CARTA_WAF__1___Medium_.JPG) in Madrid, Spain advising him of the appointment of MTBS as Project Manager of the redevelopment of Aruban harbor areas.

02/22/2008NEW
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html):  “The Persistence is working in shallow waters today.”

02/22/08
The Dateline episode (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302471#23302581) on the Persistence search is broadcast.

 Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com): “Right before the Dateline special aired Tim [trahan] and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion.”

NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  "I should clarify that the footage proceeds (if sold) wouldn't even have covered the cost of the project, but it would have helped.

NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  "I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th.


02/24/2008
John Q. Kelly on Geraldo at Large (2/24/08) (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/25/natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-john-q-kelly-on-geraldo-at-large-22408-i-think-they-could-arrest-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecute-him-on-a-circumstantial-case/) - “…I think they could arrest Joran Van der Sloot and prosecute him on a circumstantial case..”

02/26/2008
Press Release issued from Aruba’s Public Prosecutor’s Office (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355812#msg355812) (H. Mos) stating that the cloth found in the crab trap is not a match with Natalee’s blouse.

NEW
Months later, as the subject resurfaces in the Scared Monkeys Forum,  poster Buckshot questions Kyle Kingman, a.k.a. oceanexploration (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550753#msg550753): 
“ocean exploration,
(1) do you feel that the work done during the search was tampered with by locals and/or law enforcement that prevented a true and honest search as suggested by most monkeys?
(2) were samples eventually shipped off to the FBI? were they true samples or tampered samples?

 Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) as oceanexploration, answers (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550872#msg550872):  “Buckshot, in the event "what I feel" differs from "what I know to be provable and true", I'll have to obstain from answering your question directly.  I will say the FBI report to Mos which Mos publicly stated in verbatum, said exactly what the FBI were invited to accomplish.  The FBI report and therefore Mos's report was accurate regarding the samples.  As to what the samples were, I cannot comment because I in fact do not know what was sampled.”

SM poster, Buckshot, responds (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550900#msg550900):  “…The monkeys seem to feel certain items (samples) were replaced when sent off to the FBI to be tested. We also have our doubts about certain people that helped you in the search.”

Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) as oceanexploration answers (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550953#msg550953):  “I share this "feeling" and believe the Monkeys have good reason to feel this way too…”

02/26/2008
  • Rob posts a picture of the cage (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355904#msg355904):  “…I posted it the other day... no one seemed to care.”
  • JackB responds, asking Klaas to “POST THE PIC HERE” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355923#msg355923):  “It seems like it would be a good time.  I will stay on this place and go forward, hope to see it.  This is going to be a good morale thing. “
  • JackB adds that he just sent Klaas a couple of pictures (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355942#msg355942):  “…One shows a skull in the cage.”
  • He further explains (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355947#msg355947):  “There is a skull.  The equipment they are using is set up to block the wire and keep the contents in perspective.  They can do this because of the distance and the wire is so much smaller than the holes they surround and the skull.  It is a computer generated thing.  It is a color thing.  The skull is there.   Their computer is fast and furious and can do this by calculations in a speck of the time it takes me to clean something up by using other equipment not specifically made for what they are doing.”
  • Klaas posts the 6 pictures of the cage (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959) she rec’d in an anonymous email.  The same pictures Robin posted at BNH.

02/26/2008
Dana Pretzer hosts Art Wood on his radio show. (http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/26/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tuesday-february-26th-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-pat-brown-robert-peters-christopher-lyons-art-wood-and-scared-monkeys/) Concerning the Persistence search, Art says, “They've identified over 100 possible targets that could be Natalee on the ocean floor. They're trying to narrow that list to 30 or 40 more likely targets, they can dive on them however John has informed us that they have run out of money. Actually, if they can't come up with some donations within the next week to 10 days, they're going to be bringing the boat home.”

The donation drive begins here: 
"Without contributions Persistence is coming home." (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355955#msg355955)
"Everyone jump on greta wire quickly before she covers case asking her to tell people they need donations" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355962#msg355962)
"I heard Jossy will be putting some full page ads in Diario requesting donations too." (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355964#msg355964)
"I do not understand the time frame" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355966#msg355966)
"Tim Miller was on Greta...He did get to request donations so this search can continue" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355974#msg355974)
"Greta asked Tim about needing donations and gave him a chance to give his website and phone number" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355981#msg355981)
"I pray they find the funds they need to continue.  I believe in them" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355982#msg355982)
"Is there a web link we can donate via PayPal?" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355991#msg355991)

As the discussion over the original six pictures continues:
"I can see how Tim Miller would think he might have found something looking at this pic" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355965#msg355965)
"Even in the other picture it looked like a body in the fetal position." (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355967#msg355967)
"That does look like a skull to me. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355969#msg355969)
"those are awesome pics!" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355976#msg355976)
"I understand now why Tim was convinced" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355984#msg355984)
"It still looks like her to me" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356002#msg356002)

And Tim Miller appears on Greta Van Sustern's FoxNews show, On The Record (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016):
"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."

02/27/2008NEW
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html):  “Over the past several days, the Persistence has been working with the help of the Aruban police in shallow water.”

02/27/2008
Two members of the Persistence crew perform side scan sonar survey of the Montserrat pond. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876)

 Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.”

02/27/2008
Kyle Kingman learns that Robin Holloway has posted the screenshots rec’d from the FBI (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356249#msg356249)

02/28/2008
Is Joran van der Sloot in a Psychiatric Hospital in the Netherlands? (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/is-joran-van-der-sloot-in-a-psychiatric-hospital-in-the-netherlands/) – “According to yesterdays BonDia Aruba he is. Translation:  ORANJESTAD - Joran van der Sloot has spend the past week internally in a psychiatric Institute in the Netherlands. This was confirmed recently by his close family…”

02/28/2008
Kyle is unhappy that the pictures have leaked (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357200#msg357200): "Don't you even think to consider for a second that we the search team, who found the trap, supervised it's sampling, recorded that video and others... are ensuring the situation is in proper hands and being taken care of appropriately and completely?"

02/28/2008
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com), again posting as oceanexplorer (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3285) at SM, makes two references to having been away from the search.
•   “I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356886#msg356886)
•   “I've personally been handling the matter* while I was on the east coast last week.“ (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357222#msg357222)
[*Note: the matter = selling television rights to the search; See 02-14-08]

02/28/2008
Article by Cynthia Cisneros, Houston ABC affiliate (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951), quotes Louis J. Schaefer:
•   “I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions.
•   "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved." 
•   "By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said.
•   "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."  "So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea,” he said.

Tim Trahan is quoted in the same article:
"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

02/29/08
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) in a discussion on the open SM form, is asked (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357201#msg357201):   “Maybe Mr Schafer can sell the television rights to the remainder of the search to one of the networks so they can raise enough money to finish the search,  and possibly recoup his own money.  Any thoughts?”

Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) posts this message (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.540) in response:  “This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.  Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.”

NEW
Kyle Kingman posts as oceanexporer at BFN (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg328570;topicseen#msg328570):  “We've been dockside all day today getting caught up on a lot of work and loose ends while the weather is too rough offshore.  We're awaiting word about whether or not we'll continue sonar runs (which we've almost completed), get an ROV crew in soon, or mobilize a ROV boat at a later date once funded.  We'll see shortly.”

02/29/08
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

02/29/08
Air Force 2 is on Aruba. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358016#msg358016)

02/29/08
Caps backs away from his Moko Pool/WhiteHouse Apts. theory (and with no evidence at all, suddenly has Natalee's body now decapitated to fit his theories) (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357493#msg357493):  "The problem with Moko pool is that if they dump the body in there, this acctiion leave Joran walking home. and not to the McDonnald. Now lets assume that what is said that the head was not part of the body no more, and that both places has been used. The Moko Pool which is right at the doorstep of the Whitehouse Apartment and there they could have dumb a peace of the body then drive Joran to the Monserat Pool and split leaving Joran alone.  Driving to the Monserat they will dump an other peace of the body. Split and leave Joran behind.  The Monserat pool will leave him walking to McDonald.  This will give both Simian and Shango Validity for their writtings."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 06:24:47 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 06:28:21 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

ONLY one Dutch article - that was then picked up in Aruba.

That, to me, is not confirmation. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

Who really is asking that question is what i'd like to know? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 06:39:54 PM
I will return after dinner!Doing a little work for the Aruba port Authority??Maybe,maybe not!Will read a little more when i return! ::MonkeyCool::

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 06:50:51 PM
I can't follow any of this!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Need flow chart, somebody to draw me a picture.

I can't follow it either.  Driving me nuts here!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 06:58:37 PM
I can't follow any of this!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Need flow chart, somebody to draw me a picture.

I can't follow it either.  Driving me nuts here!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Don`t worry, it`s not followable  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 07:00:02 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

I have seen no confirmation of a new search either.  AND Kermit said Beth is fully aware of all this.  I don't think she said Dave but I am sure Dave is aware also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 07:00:57 PM

A new revision of the timeline is up.


Part 1 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg702238#msg702238).

Part 2 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg702541#msg702541)

Part 3 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg707748#msg707748).

Part 4 is here (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg708688#msg708688).

Klaas, could you or one of theAmazingMods remove the previous revisions?  TIA!



Lifesong,  Amazing work.  You are awesome.  This makes it easier for me to follow what happened here.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 07:04:59 PM
Interesting.....

http://www.offshore-mag.com/pdf_temp/50728.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2009, 07:06:21 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

The only thing I've seen about a new search is that Dutch article.  Nothing else saying anything about a search.  I'll ask Red again to see if he's heard anything.  It's almost as though the Dutch article was some sort of ruse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 07, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

I have seen no confirmation of a new search either.  AND Kermit said Beth is fully aware of all this.  I don't think she said Dave but I am sure Dave is aware also.

kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
Lifesong - excellent work!  I think I've deleted the old ones properly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 07, 2009, 07:08:00 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

I have seen no confirmation of a new search either.  AND Kermit said Beth is fully aware of all this.  I don't think she said Dave but I am sure Dave is aware also.

kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.

and that means :    Dave has the information


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 07:12:21 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

What you are saying is that Dave doesn't believe what was posted because if he did why waste money in a new search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

I have seen no confirmation of a new search either.  AND Kermit said Beth is fully aware of all this.  I don't think she said Dave but I am sure Dave is aware also.

kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.

Well sorry then.  Guess I forgot how to read Greek?  Missed it. My Bad.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 07:13:11 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

I have seen no confirmation of a new search either.  AND Kermit said Beth is fully aware of all this.  I don't think she said Dave but I am sure Dave is aware also.

kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.

and that means :    Dave has the information

LOL I used Google translation and . . you`re not kidding  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 07:24:02 PM
Interesting.....

http://www.offshore-mag.com/pdf_temp/50728.pdf



I was just there earlier today!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 07:24:58 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

The only thing I've seen about a new search is that Dutch article.  Nothing else saying anything about a search.  I'll ask Red again to see if he's heard anything.  It's almost as though the Dutch article was some sort of ruse.
Thank You Klaas....It seems to be a Ruse to Me Too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 07:26:49 PM
Interesting.....

http://www.offshore-mag.com/pdf_temp/50728.pdf



I was just there earlier today!   ::MonkeyWink::
Its a Great Website for this research... You just have to do alot of reading....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 07, 2009, 07:36:34 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

The only thing I've seen about a new search is that Dutch article.  Nothing else saying anything about a search.  I'll ask Red again to see if he's heard anything.  It's almost as though the Dutch article was some sort of ruse.
Thank You Klaas....It seems to be a Ruse to Me Too!

That post that Legally Lex made to BFN mentioned another search, but she did not make it seem as
though anything was in the near future.
Why do another search?.....they already found her IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.
  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 07, 2009, 07:46:44 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


Hooray for the Frog!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
I have the right to believe what I want to believe.  I don't want to be forced to believe what others believe just because they think the person is a good guy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
I have the right to believe what I want to believe.  I don't want to be forced to believe what others believe just because they think the person is a good guy.
Ditto!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 07, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


I believe in the frog too, San.

My favorites were when Kermit told Kyle Let's go..Just say yes; and when he said to hotshot "Stop being a nutball for one day and..."

   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Priceless - both of them.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm out for the evening, guys.  See ya tomorrow!

Thank you, Klaas!

Thank you, Blue Moon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 07:53:17 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


I believe in the frog too, San.

My favorites were when Kermit told Kyle Let's go..Just say yes; and when he said to hotshot "Stop being a nutball for one day and..."

   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Priceless - both of them.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm out for the evening, guys.  See ya tomorrow!

Thank you, Klaas!

Thank you, Blue Moon!


Have a good night Lifesong and thank you for all your hard work.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 07, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
When i get a chance i will have to read the timeline!Anything jump out to you as you go LifeSong??Getting ready to head out for dinner in a minute...


Its funny, KTF, with it divided into parts...I'm already well into the next revision before the last one goes up - so I haven't read the whole thing in a while.

Rob's hint peeked my curiousity...so I'll answer with this - alot going on in these 9 days:


Quote
02/20/2008NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) posts as oceanexploration at BFN (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7921.msg325687#msg325687):  “…Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”

02/22/2008
E. Briesen sends a letter to Juan Manuel Trujillo (http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/12_FEBR_CARTA_WAF__1___Medium_.JPG) in Madrid, Spain advising him of the appointment of MTBS as Project Manager of the redevelopment of Aruban harbor areas.

02/22/2008NEW
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html):  “The Persistence is working in shallow waters today.”

02/22/08
The Dateline episode (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302471#23302581) on the Persistence search is broadcast.

 Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com): “Right before the Dateline special aired Tim [trahan] and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion.”

NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  "I should clarify that the footage proceeds (if sold) wouldn't even have covered the cost of the project, but it would have helped.

NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  "I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th.


02/24/2008
John Q. Kelly on Geraldo at Large (2/24/08) (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/25/natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-john-q-kelly-on-geraldo-at-large-22408-i-think-they-could-arrest-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecute-him-on-a-circumstantial-case/) - “…I think they could arrest Joran Van der Sloot and prosecute him on a circumstantial case..”

02/26/2008
Press Release issued from Aruba’s Public Prosecutor’s Office (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355812#msg355812) (H. Mos) stating that the cloth found in the crab trap is not a match with Natalee’s blouse.

NEW
Months later, as the subject resurfaces in the Scared Monkeys Forum,  poster Buckshot questions Kyle Kingman, a.k.a. oceanexploration (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550753#msg550753): 
“ocean exploration,
(1) do you feel that the work done during the search was tampered with by locals and/or law enforcement that prevented a true and honest search as suggested by most monkeys?
(2) were samples eventually shipped off to the FBI? were they true samples or tampered samples?

 Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) as oceanexploration, answers (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550872#msg550872):  “Buckshot, in the event "what I feel" differs from "what I know to be provable and true", I'll have to obstain from answering your question directly.  I will say the FBI report to Mos which Mos publicly stated in verbatum, said exactly what the FBI were invited to accomplish.  The FBI report and therefore Mos's report was accurate regarding the samples.  As to what the samples were, I cannot comment because I in fact do not know what was sampled.”

SM poster, Buckshot, responds (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550900#msg550900):  “…The monkeys seem to feel certain items (samples) were replaced when sent off to the FBI to be tested. We also have our doubts about certain people that helped you in the search.”

Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) as oceanexploration answers (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg550953#msg550953):  “I share this "feeling" and believe the Monkeys have good reason to feel this way too…”

02/26/2008
  • Rob posts a picture of the cage (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355904#msg355904):  “…I posted it the other day... no one seemed to care.”
  • JackB responds, asking Klaas to “POST THE PIC HERE” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355923#msg355923):  “It seems like it would be a good time.  I will stay on this place and go forward, hope to see it.  This is going to be a good morale thing. “
  • JackB adds that he just sent Klaas a couple of pictures (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355942#msg355942):  “…One shows a skull in the cage.”
  • He further explains (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355947#msg355947):  “There is a skull.  The equipment they are using is set up to block the wire and keep the contents in perspective.  They can do this because of the distance and the wire is so much smaller than the holes they surround and the skull.  It is a computer generated thing.  It is a color thing.  The skull is there.   Their computer is fast and furious and can do this by calculations in a speck of the time it takes me to clean something up by using other equipment not specifically made for what they are doing.”
  • Klaas posts the 6 pictures of the cage (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959) she rec’d in an anonymous email.  The same pictures Robin posted at BNH.

02/26/2008
Dana Pretzer hosts Art Wood on his radio show. (http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/26/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tuesday-february-26th-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-pat-brown-robert-peters-christopher-lyons-art-wood-and-scared-monkeys/) Concerning the Persistence search, Art says, “They've identified over 100 possible targets that could be Natalee on the ocean floor. They're trying to narrow that list to 30 or 40 more likely targets, they can dive on them however John has informed us that they have run out of money. Actually, if they can't come up with some donations within the next week to 10 days, they're going to be bringing the boat home.”

The donation drive begins here: 
"Without contributions Persistence is coming home." (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355955#msg355955)
"Everyone jump on greta wire quickly before she covers case asking her to tell people they need donations" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355962#msg355962)
"I heard Jossy will be putting some full page ads in Diario requesting donations too." (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355964#msg355964)
"I do not understand the time frame" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355966#msg355966)
"Tim Miller was on Greta...He did get to request donations so this search can continue" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355974#msg355974)
"Greta asked Tim about needing donations and gave him a chance to give his website and phone number" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355981#msg355981)
"I pray they find the funds they need to continue.  I believe in them" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355982#msg355982)
"Is there a web link we can donate via PayPal?" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355991#msg355991)

As the discussion over the original six pictures continues:
"I can see how Tim Miller would think he might have found something looking at this pic" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355965#msg355965)
"Even in the other picture it looked like a body in the fetal position." (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355967#msg355967)
"That does look like a skull to me. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355969#msg355969)
"those are awesome pics!" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355976#msg355976)
"I understand now why Tim was convinced" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355984#msg355984)
"It still looks like her to me" (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356002#msg356002)

And Tim Miller appears on Greta Van Sustern's FoxNews show, On The Record (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016):
"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."

02/27/2008NEW
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html):  “Over the past several days, the Persistence has been working with the help of the Aruban police in shallow water.”

02/27/2008
Two members of the Persistence crew perform side scan sonar survey of the Montserrat pond. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876)

 Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.”

02/27/2008
Kyle Kingman learns that Robin Holloway has posted the screenshots rec’d from the FBI (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356249#msg356249)

02/28/2008
Is Joran van der Sloot in a Psychiatric Hospital in the Netherlands? (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/28/is-joran-van-der-sloot-in-a-psychiatric-hospital-in-the-netherlands/) – “According to yesterdays BonDia Aruba he is. Translation:  ORANJESTAD - Joran van der Sloot has spend the past week internally in a psychiatric Institute in the Netherlands. This was confirmed recently by his close family…”

02/28/2008
Kyle is unhappy that the pictures have leaked (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357200#msg357200): "Don't you even think to consider for a second that we the search team, who found the trap, supervised it's sampling, recorded that video and others... are ensuring the situation is in proper hands and being taken care of appropriately and completely?"

02/28/2008
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com), again posting as oceanexplorer (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3285) at SM, makes two references to having been away from the search.
•   “I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356886#msg356886)
•   “I've personally been handling the matter* while I was on the east coast last week.“ (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357222#msg357222)
[*Note: the matter = selling television rights to the search; See 02-14-08]

02/28/2008
Article by Cynthia Cisneros, Houston ABC affiliate (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951), quotes Louis J. Schaefer:
•   “I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions.
•   "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved." 
•   "By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said.
•   "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."  "So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea,” he said.

Tim Trahan is quoted in the same article:
"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

02/29/08
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) in a discussion on the open SM form, is asked (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357201#msg357201):   “Maybe Mr Schafer can sell the television rights to the remainder of the search to one of the networks so they can raise enough money to finish the search,  and possibly recoup his own money.  Any thoughts?”

Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) posts this message (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.540) in response:  “This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.  Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.”

NEW
Kyle Kingman posts as oceanexporer at BFN (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg328570;topicseen#msg328570):  “We've been dockside all day today getting caught up on a lot of work and loose ends while the weather is too rough offshore.  We're awaiting word about whether or not we'll continue sonar runs (which we've almost completed), get an ROV crew in soon, or mobilize a ROV boat at a later date once funded.  We'll see shortly.”

02/29/08
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

02/29/08
Air Force 2 is on Aruba. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358016#msg358016)

02/29/08
Caps backs away from his Moko Pool/WhiteHouse Apts. theory (and with no evidence at all, suddenly has Natalee's body now decapitated to fit his theories) (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357493#msg357493):  "The problem with Moko pool is that if they dump the body in there, this acctiion leave Joran walking home. and not to the McDonnald. Now lets assume that what is said that the head was not part of the body no more, and that both places has been used. The Moko Pool which is right at the doorstep of the Whitehouse Apartment and there they could have dumb a peace of the body then drive Joran to the Monserat Pool and split leaving Joran alone.  Driving to the Monserat they will dump an other peace of the body. Split and leave Joran behind.  The Monserat pool will leave him walking to McDonald.  This will give both Simian and Shango Validity for their writtings."


02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”


Something hinky with that post.  Does he mean that they had a belated celebration?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 07:54:02 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


I believe in the frog too, San.

My favorites were when Kermit told Kyle Let's go..Just say yes; and when he said to hotshot "Stop being a nutball for one day and..."

   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Priceless - both of them.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm out for the evening, guys.  See ya tomorrow!

Thank you, Klaas!

Thank you, Blue Moon!

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nite Lifesong.... Have a Nice Evening!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 07:54:30 PM
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ELSE FOR THEIR HARD WORK TOO.  YOU MONKEYS ARE AMAZING.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 07, 2009, 08:02:49 PM
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ELSE FOR THEIR HARD WORK TOO.  YOU MONKEYS ARE AMAZING.

You aren't too bad yourself, San. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


I believe in the frog too, San.

My favorites were when Kermit told Kyle Let's go..Just say yes; and when he said to hotshot "Stop being a nutball for one day and..."

   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Priceless - both of them.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm out for the evening, guys.  See ya tomorrow!

Thank you, Klaas!

Thank you, Blue Moon!


Have a good evening Lifesong!   ::MonkeyCool::  

The timeline is GREAT!   ::MonkeyDance::  Thank you for all your hard work putting it together!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

The only thing I've seen about a new search is that Dutch article.  Nothing else saying anything about a search.  I'll ask Red again to see if he's heard anything.  It's almost as though the Dutch article was some sort of ruse.
Thank You Klaas....It seems to be a Ruse to Me Too!

Accompanied by photo of a Dutch journalist who appeared intoxicated in a bar to me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 07, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/DAVEHOLLOWAY_197950h.jpg)

FOTO : BETH TWITTY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:08:49 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!
Other than a Dutch article -- where is "another search" confirmed??

Who really is asking that question is what i'd like to know? ::MonkeyWink::



And why can only Kermit answer it?

Does that water get heavy, Johan?


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2009, 08:11:57 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/DAVEHOLLOWAY_197950h.jpg)

FOTO : BETH TWITTY

That is a great photo of Natalee and Dave.  What is your point Johan? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
I have the right to believe what I want to believe.  I don't want to be forced to believe what others believe just because they think the person is a good guy.
Ditto!


And that's what I think and that's what I know!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

No one will ever make me believe that Dave Holloway was thrilled to learn that the entire results of this search were handed over the the Arubans without so much as a request for shared samples.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 07, 2009, 08:13:49 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 08:15:53 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/DAVEHOLLOWAY_197950h.jpg)

FOTO : BETH TWITTY

That is a great photo of Natalee and Dave.  What is your point Johan? 

::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:19:09 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!


Kermit is not here.  Who told you to only get an answer from Kermit?
Where are you getting the information that there is a new search planned for sure?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 08:24:43 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/DAVEHOLLOWAY_197950h.jpg)

FOTO : BETH TWITTY

That is a great photo of Natalee and Dave.  What is your point Johan? 

Took the words right out of my mouth.  Who sent Johan tonight?  And are they NOW saying we don't care for Dave?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 07, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!


Kermit is not here.  Who told you to only get an answer from Kermit?
Where are you getting the information that there is a new search planned for sure?

Wasn't it Johann who found the article about the 'new search'?
You should be the one who knows, Johann.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 08:27:14 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 




 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 08:30:44 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::

So I guess this is a two for one sale.  Make one post and take a shot at two posters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:31:18 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::

Why thank you Bastibro.  No, Magnolia didn't knit it because it is lightweight for spring and in honor of St. Patrick's Day on March 17.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Davesoffice.jpg)

This photo was taken at Dave`s office
Dave is a wonderful dad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 08:31:52 PM
Bastibro and Johan -- Are you looking for a fight????? Bring it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 07, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Davesoffice.jpg)

This photo was taken at Dave`s office
Dave is a wonderful dad.


Yes he is and Beth is a wonderful mother.  They are both caring and loving parents seeking justice for their daughter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
Beth is a wonderful mother, too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 07, 2009, 08:33:45 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::

What's it to you? 
Go back to whomever sent you here. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 08:34:48 PM
Bastibro and Johan -- Are you looking for a fight????? Bring it!
Contribute in reasoned, polite approach and your welcome here -- if not, hit the road.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 07, 2009, 08:35:16 PM
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/Davesoffice.jpg)

This photo was taken at Dave`s office
Dave is a wonderful dad.

Who BIT YOUR BUTT tonight-BOTH of you.

There is not one person here who would ever say Dave was anything but a wonderful Dad. 

You and Johan are picking fights tonight aren't you?  Trying to get banned like your friends?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:35:36 PM
Bastibro and Johan -- Are you looking for a fight????? Bring it!


The two favorite targets yet again--Kermit and Anna.  Not a doubt in my mind who the sponsor is.  And I am one having the least of information to supply in this effort so it's certainly NOT about Natalee Holloway by any measure.

And is rather transparent in my opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 08:35:49 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::

Why thank you Bastibro.  No, Magnolia didn't knit it because it is lightweight for spring and in honor of St. Patrick's Day on March 17.

No thanks Anna, I like your avi ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 08:37:19 PM


Must be a slow night at 170 other forums!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:37:24 PM
My outfit is green--get it???  Must be about the frog.  Couldn't be about the Patron Saint of Ireland who is honored traditionally this month by the wearing of the green now could it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2009, 08:38:55 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:40:59 PM
Well, I don't think either of Natalee's parents are likely to tell somebody NOT to search.  That would be rather odd, now wouldn't it?

However, I will never believe that either of them would be delighted to have Aruban ALE have exclusive access to the proceeds of any searches.

I could be wrong, however.  Best ask them if you have any questions about their future plans.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:43:53 PM
The name of Dave Holloway's book is The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and CORRUPTION in Paradise.


Does that sound like a vote of confidence in the Aruban LE and their handling of evidence?  I seriously doubt he is eager for a repeat of the last performance by this search crew.

But then I don't call the family on every excuse I can think of and so haven't spoken to him about this.  Inappropriate to do so but perhaps Red could ask if there is another such endeavor in the works. 



Sorry for being off topic but . .

Anna, I like your outfit ! Did Mag knit that too? ::MonkeyRoll::

Why thank you Bastibro.  No, Magnolia didn't knit it because it is lightweight for spring and in honor of St. Patrick's Day on March 17.

No thanks Anna, I like your avi ::MonkeyWink::


And I have always found your avi very telling as well, Bastibro.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
Bastibro and Johan -- Are you looking for a fight????? Bring it!


The two favorite targets yet again--Kermit and Anna.  Not a doubt in my mind who the sponsor is.  And I am one having the least of information to supply in this effort so it's certainly NOT about Natalee Holloway by any measure.

And is rather transparent in my opinion.



You`re not a target to me Anna, no one is and ì`m definitely not looking for a fight either.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 08:53:06 PM
That's good to know Bastibro.  Some have been and I was a target  
of theirs recently, always pays to be vigilant.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 08:54:02 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 
I have not seen anything anywhere that proves there is another search planned. A lot of hot air, that's about it .  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 09:04:01 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 
I have not seen anything anywhere that proves there is another search planned. A lot of hot air, that's about it .  IMO

WOW . That`s quite an entry Elaine ::MonkeyEek:: Nice to meet you too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:07:05 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 
I have not seen anything anywhere that proves there is another search planned. A lot of hot air, that's about it .  IMO

WOW . That`s quite an entry Elaine ::MonkeyEek:: Nice to meet you too  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hello bastibro, Really though just saying.....

I have not seen any REAL proof of a search that has definately been planned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 
I have not seen anything anywhere that proves there is another search planned. A lot of hot air, that's about it .  IMO

WOW . That`s quite an entry Elaine ::MonkeyEek:: Nice to meet you too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's always good to see Elaine!

Check her number of posts and I think you will find this is not exactly an entry.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:12:23 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 
I have not seen anything anywhere that proves there is another search planned. A lot of hot air, that's about it .  IMO

WOW . That`s quite an entry Elaine ::MonkeyEek:: Nice to meet you too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's always good to see Elaine!

Check her number of posts and I think you will find this is not exactly an entry.


::MonkeyCool::  Thanks Anna, I would love to see Natalee be returned to her parents.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 09:12:56 PM
ROFL NO, you`re right . . but . . but . .
I never spoke to her and seen her post here before  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:14:28 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

Seems to me you are asking Kermit for an answer only Dave Holloway can give.  We don't even know if there's really going to be another search for sure. 
I have not seen anything anywhere that proves there is another search planned. A lot of hot air, that's about it .  IMO

WOW . That`s quite an entry Elaine ::MonkeyEek:: Nice to meet you too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's always good to see Elaine!

Check her number of posts and I think you will find this is not exactly an entry.


::MonkeyCool::  Thanks Anna, I would love to see Natalee be returned to her parents.


  Edited to correct typo. Could one of the Mods please correct that post to fix Natalee's name fo me!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2009, 09:15:53 PM
Must be frustrating for Bastibro and Johan.  BFN is down and CnG is likely pretty boring these days.  Well there's always GM  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
ROFL NO, you`re right . . but . . but . .
I never spoke to her and seen her post here before  ::MonkeyHaHa::
You just don't recognize my glasses, I always change them. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
ROFL NO, you`re right . . but . . but . .
I never spoke to her and seen her post here before  ::MonkeyHaHa::


And yet she has approximately 5 times as many posts as you do.  Makes me wonder what else you might have missed.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 07, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
ROFL NO, you`re right . . but . . but . .
I never spoke to her and seen her post here before  ::MonkeyHaHa::
You just don't recognize my glasses, I always change them. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your gazers are your signature for sure, Elaine.  They look mah-velous!  It's always great to see you here. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
ROFL NO, you`re right . . but . . but . .
I never spoke to her and seen her post here before  ::MonkeyHaHa::
You just don't recognize my glasses, I always change them. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your gazers are your signature for sure, Elaine.  They look mah-velous!  It's always great to see you here. 
Thank you Muffy, CBB and Klaasend do such great work keeping us all beautiful.


 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:26:16 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:29:19 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42
Wow, they are really cool ! A girl can never have too many pairs of glasses. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
And some guys might benefit from having a few pairs as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 09:31:45 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news2.html

Aruba, Diasabra 07 Maart 2009

Papiamentu translation:

petrochina is profila because; proximo cumprador of valero petrobras is renoba his interest in the refineria

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/petrochina.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): for of enough day happen have rumornan cu first minister nel oduber owing to close one contract cu petrochina for so the “top asian” productor of gas y petroleum take over valero. the rumornan was persistente y do not exclui cu already end have one acuerdo close among the gobierno of aruba y the giant asiatico. is conoci cu petrochina is behind much market strategico in latinoamerica y caribe will do not excepcion. informenan cu owing to circula yesterday is indica cu tanto petrochina because; petrobras of brazil is the two companianan potencial cu owing to haci oferta for cumpra valero energy corp’s, cual is produci 275 thousand sweep for day of petroleum at aruba. is conoci cu the interest of petrochina do not algo new, while cu in the caso of petrobras, this owing to reitera his interest year happen after of owing to persegui the throw at inicio of 2008 y cu owing to finaliza at january hour cu was have one incidente at the plant. according indicacion, representantenan of petrochina, in two occasion owing to visit the refineria y already end they have geschedule one of three. informe cu daily paper is dispone is cu nel oduber owing to reuni some day happen cu representantenan of petrochina for so discuti on the exencion of tax (tac holiday) of 28 porciento cu is expira at 2010. fuentenan owing to give of conoce cu gobierno y valero do not arrive at one acuerdo on the aspecto of tax, pesey valero wanted sell the refineria. at another near, valero is of opinion cu the throw of the refineria is the motibo cu not have the complehidad for work one producto of calidad for her market mericano thing will rekeri much inversion y renobacion. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 09:33:34 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:35:03 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 07, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
Photo courtesy of BB at GM  ::MonkeyWink::

Marlene Purcell and Charles Croes

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/CubasCookin-March22009.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:40:08 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 07, 2009, 09:41:16 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 09:42:05 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 07, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.

hard to believe Paris would let bastibro in for fashion week  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna - I purchased a pair by this company that are pretty swish and have lasted me several years, so recently just purchased pair #2. Just a higher quality than most I've tried also.  http://www.scojo.com/SITE/Home.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 09:43:12 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyLaugh::

WOW, has he become old ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 09:43:18 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news2.html

Aruba, Diasabra 07 Maart 2009

Papiamentu translation:

petrochina is profila because; proximo cumprador of valero petrobras is renoba his interest in the refineria

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/petrochina.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): for of enough day happen have rumornan cu first minister nel oduber owing to close one contract cu petrochina for so the “top asian” productor of gas y petroleum take over valero. the rumornan was persistente y do not exclui cu already end have one acuerdo close among the gobierno of aruba y the giant asiatico. is conoci cu petrochina is behind much market strategico in latinoamerica y caribe will do not excepcion. informenan cu owing to circula yesterday is indica cu tanto petrochina because; petrobras of brazil is the two companianan potencial cu owing to haci oferta for cumpra valero energy corp’s, cual is produci 275 thousand sweep for day of petroleum at aruba. is conoci cu the interest of petrochina do not algo new, while cu in the caso of petrobras, this owing to reitera his interest year happen after of owing to persegui the throw at inicio of 2008 y cu owing to finaliza at january hour cu was have one incidente at the plant. according indicacion, representantenan of petrochina, in two occasion owing to visit the refineria y already end they have geschedule one of three. informe cu daily paper is dispone is cu nel oduber owing to reuni some day happen cu representantenan of petrochina for so discuti on the exencion of tax (tac holiday) of 28 porciento cu is expira at 2010. fuentenan owing to give of conoce cu gobierno y valero do not arrive at one acuerdo on the aspecto of tax, pesey valero wanted sell the refineria. at another near, valero is of opinion cu the throw of the refineria is the motibo cu not have the complehidad for work one producto of calidad for her market mericano thing will rekeri much inversion y renobacion. come across
Thanks TM!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
LOL  ::MonkeyLaugh::

See you monkeys later, I will keep checking back for the "date and time" of the new search. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 07, 2009, 09:43:57 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

too funny Anna  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 09:44:48 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyLaugh::

WOW, has he become old ::MonkeyEek::
I've heard Guilt will do that to Ya!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 09:45:02 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.

hard to believe Paris would let bastibro in for fashion week  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna - I purchased a pair by this company that are pretty swish and have lasted me several years, so recently just purchased pair #2. Just a higher quality than most I've tried also.  http://www.scojo.com/SITE/Home.aspx

Well, it`s a matter of fact i have been there twice None ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just saying  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 07, 2009, 09:45:51 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyLaugh::

WOW, has he become old ::MonkeyEek::

et vous aussi bien?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 07, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.

hard to believe Paris would let bastibro in for fashion week  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna - I purchased a pair by this company that are pretty swish and have lasted me several years, so recently just purchased pair #2. Just a higher quality than most I've tried also.  http://www.scojo.com/SITE/Home.aspx

Well, it`s a matter of fact i have been there twice None ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just saying  ::MonkeyCool::

pour la semaine de mode ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 09:52:57 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.

hard to believe Paris would let bastibro in for fashion week  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna - I purchased a pair by this company that are pretty swish and have lasted me several years, so recently just purchased pair #2. Just a higher quality than most I've tried also.  http://www.scojo.com/SITE/Home.aspx


Oh, their birthstone ones are snazzy, None.  Love those maybe better than Paula Dean's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 07, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Anna I have loved mine, I just ordered the pair she's wearing on the splash page so I can stay current - I'm just sayin  ::MonkeyWink::

oh look, bastibro in Paris !!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 09:58:31 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.

hard to believe Paris would let bastibro in for fashion week  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna - I purchased a pair by this company that are pretty swish and have lasted me several years, so recently just purchased pair #2. Just a higher quality than most I've tried also.  http://www.scojo.com/SITE/Home.aspx

Well, it`s a matter of fact i have been there twice None ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just saying  ::MonkeyCool::

pour la semaine de mode ?

Oui, deux fois  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 07, 2009, 10:01:39 PM
Anna I have loved mine, I just ordered the pair she's wearing on the splash page so I can stay current - I'm just sayin  ::MonkeyWink::

oh look, bastibro in Paris !!



Qui est un non-sens et vous savez  ::MonkeyWink:: Bonne nuit  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 07, 2009, 10:02:11 PM
Elaine, I think I am going to order a pair of these glasses as I really like them and need them to read these days.

http://www.pauladeen.com/product/461/42

Well, to be honest, i like Elaine`s glasses better Anna  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, you are suddenly quite the fashion critic.

hard to believe Paris would let bastibro in for fashion week  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna - I purchased a pair by this company that are pretty swish and have lasted me several years, so recently just purchased pair #2. Just a higher quality than most I've tried also.  http://www.scojo.com/SITE/Home.aspx

Well, it`s a matter of fact i have been there twice None ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just saying  ::MonkeyCool::

pour la semaine de mode ?

Oui, deux fois  ::MonkeyCool::

et qu'avez-vous modelé ? avez-vous utilisé des talons ?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 07, 2009, 10:08:06 PM
Okey dokey then.  Time to get back on topic. Justice for Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 07, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
LOL  ::MonkeyLaugh::

See you monkeys later, I will keep checking back for the "date and time" of the new search. ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, I am sure Johan will keep us updated on this upcoming search as he seems to be one of the few to have information about it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 07, 2009, 10:32:18 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
LOL  ::MonkeyLaugh::

See you monkeys later, I will keep checking back for the "date and time" of the new search. ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, I am sure Johan will keep us updated on this upcoming search as he seems to be one of the few to have information about it.

Something not quite right about that.  jmo   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:27:20 PM
What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

What you are saying is that Dave doesn't believe what was posted because if he did why waste money in a new search.

Exactly!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
Good evening Monkey's..Had a wonderful dinner this evening with the family!Let's keep rolling...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2009, 11:34:41 PM
Anna I have loved mine, I just ordered the pair she's wearing on the splash page so I can stay current - I'm just sayin  ::MonkeyWink::

oh look, bastibro in Paris !!



Qui est un non-sens et vous savez  ::MonkeyWink:: Bonne nuit  ::MonkeyCool::

Wakarimasen bastibro San?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 11:44:29 PM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 11:46:31 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

You said you were going to ask Peter deVries.
Did he not respond to your inquiry?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 11:48:45 PM
I BELIEVE THE FROG.

I do not believe a person who posted on two sites with different stories.  Rather than clear things up and answer questions about his and his employers actions on the search for Natalee he decided not to post.  He has been hiding behind others.  That sometimes happens when people find out the truth.


THE FROG TOOK HIM DOWN.


I believe in the frog too, San.

My favorites were when Kermit told Kyle Let's go..Just say yes; and when he said to hotshot "Stop being a nutball for one day and..."

   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Priceless - both of them.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm out for the evening, guys.  See ya tomorrow!

Thank you, Klaas!

Thank you, Blue Moon!


It's from the whacKadoodle files.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 07, 2009, 11:49:48 PM
Which one is which?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
LOL  ::MonkeyLaugh::

See you monkeys later, I will keep checking back for the "date and time" of the new search. ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, I am sure Johan will keep us updated on this upcoming search as he seems to be one of the few to have information about it.



That is a priceless photo Anna. Cute doogie.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 11:54:52 PM
Good Evening to you Monkey's... ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith, Icehawk, hotping, echosofangels, Monkey Mia, cajun miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 07, 2009, 11:58:10 PM
Good Evening to you Monkey's... ::MonkeyCool::

Keepthefaith, Icehawk, hotping, echosofangels, Monkey Mia, cajun miracle

I trust those two posts,to get you to 60,will come at the most appropriate time ICEHAWK... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 07, 2009, 11:59:38 PM
Wonder what this is all about


In Re: Hornbeck Offshore Services, L.L.C.
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Petitioner: Hornbeck Offshore Services, L.L.C.
 
Case Number: 2:2008cv03581
Filed: May 28, 2008
 
Court: Louisiana Eastern District Court
Office: Personal Property: Other Office [ Court Info ]
County: Out of State
Presiding Judge: Judge Lance M Africk
Referring Judge: Magistrate Judge Joseph C. Wilkinson Jr.
 
Nature of Suit: Torts - Property - Other Personal Property Damage
Cause: Federal Question
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: 46:0181 Limitation of Liability

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-laedce/case_no-2:2008cv03581/case_id-126897/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 12:03:19 AM
Wonder what this is all about


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Petitioner: Hornbeck Offshore Services, L.L.C.
 
Case Number: 2:2008cv03581
Filed: May 28, 2008
 
Court: Louisiana Eastern District Court
Office: Personal Property: Other Office [ Court Info ]
County: Out of State
Presiding Judge: Judge Lance M Africk
Referring Judge: Magistrate Judge Joseph C. Wilkinson Jr.
 
Nature of Suit: Torts - Property - Other Personal Property Damage
Cause: Federal Question
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: 46:0181 Limitation of Liability

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-laedce/case_no-2:2008cv03581/case_id-126897/
 

Has to do with property..Be interesting to know what about...It is in Louisiana..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 12:09:43 AM
It appears that our bastibro know more than John Silvetti's sister.

Janet

++++++

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »


This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940


Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

Thank you Debbie for sending me the message and for all the good people here at BFN who never got sucked into the conspiracy theories that are floating around at SM!  I've read them and the lies are very sad indeed, but people are ignorant, cruel and lack knowledge of many things, yet (pretend to be experts), and you cannot change them. Ignorance is bliss I suppose, (or that is what the saying tells us).

I can tell you there are a lot of positive things that have come out of this.  John and Dave became and still are good friends. John has since worked with Tim on other cases and brought families closure in finding their missing loved ones.  It is true what they say about a ripple in the pond...(and what effect it has) If you want the truth about what is being said, please direct them to the family of Natalee and not the supposed conspiracy theory experts.

It is being looked into to go finish searching the remaining targets that were provided by the Persistence.  That is all I really know at this point.  If I find out anymore, I will gladly tell you here at BFN as you all were reported to when they were in Aruba previously.

Also, please know that I do come in here and read the blogs.  I have not commented as you "all" are far more knowledgeable about this matter.  It does not mean I do not care.  It does not mean that I am not here. I did comment on the things I had knowledge about at that time.  But I will not comment if I am not fully informed or ignorant on the subject matter. (hopefully that is considered common sense as I do not want to turn into some of the others who spread falsehoods).  I have made many friends here at BFN and I really do appreciate them (again, the ripple in the pond). 

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search. I would also like to thank the great people of BFN who are some of the most wonderful people I have never met!  (but got to know).

Have a great day everyone.  God Bless! 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 12:19:33 AM
Keepthefaith, Rooscrew, Tamikosmom, BUCKSHOT,Debbie, hotping

Impeccable timing??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 12:22:39 AM
It appears that our bastibro know more than John Silvetti's sister.

Janet

++++++

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »


This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940


Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

Thank you Debbie for sending me the message and for all the good people here at BFN who never got sucked into the conspiracy theories that are floating around at SM!  I've read them and the lies are very sad indeed, but people are ignorant, cruel and lack knowledge of many things, yet (pretend to be experts), and you cannot change them. Ignorance is bliss I suppose, (or that is what the saying tells us).

I can tell you there are a lot of positive things that have come out of this.  John and Dave became and still are good friends. John has since worked with Tim on other cases and brought families closure in finding their missing loved ones.  It is true what they say about a ripple in the pond...(and what effect it has) If you want the truth about what is being said, please direct them to the family of Natalee and not the supposed conspiracy theory experts.

It is being looked into to go finish searching the remaining targets that were provided by the Persistence.  That is all I really know at this point.  If I find out anymore, I will gladly tell you here at BFN as you all were reported to when they were in Aruba previously.

Also, please know that I do come in here and read the blogs.  I have not commented as you "all" are far more knowledgeable about this matter.  It does not mean I do not care.  It does not mean that I am not here. I did comment on the things I had knowledge about at that time.  But I will not comment if I am not fully informed or ignorant on the subject matter. (hopefully that is considered common sense as I do not want to turn into some of the others who spread falsehoods).  I have made many friends here at BFN and I really do appreciate them (again, the ripple in the pond). 

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search. I would also like to thank the great people of BFN who are some of the most wonderful people I have never met!  (but got to know).

Have a great day everyone.  God Bless! 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240




I wonder what lies she is speaking of. . . is she implying that Kyle Kingman was lying when he said all those things?  I don't know of anyone else who has professed to know anything to say.

"Being looked into" doesn't seem very definite either.  I thought the story was this second search was a done deal already funded and with the blessing of Dave Holloway.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 12:38:20 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 12:45:42 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
2NJ's back!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hope she had a good trip!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 12:57:43 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Thank you, TM.  That was bothering me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 01:03:23 AM
Well ... we had a wonderful day but ... it tuckered all us out.  Grandkids (5/7) fell fast  asleep on the way home and ... were carried to their beds  and ... tucked in with all their clothes still on.  Shoes and coats were taken off ... that was it.

Hubby is already sawing logs but ... there is something else I am working on in my own little hidey hole.  I am on a roll so ... I may take advantage of the uninterrupted quiet in my home.

I hope all had a good Sunday.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Well ... we had a wonderful day but ... it tuckered all us out.  Grandkids (5/7) fell fast  asleep on the way home and ... were carried to their beds  and ... tucked in with all their clothes still on.  Shoes and coats were taken off ... that was it.

Hubby is already sawing logs but ... there is something else I am working on in my own little hidey hole.  I am on a roll so ... I may take advantage of the uninterrupted quiet in my home.

I hope all had a good Sunday.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

 

Goodnight Janet!God Bless your sunday as well!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:11:46 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Where's the Frog at??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 01:19:57 AM
Good Night Monkeys.....Don't Forget to Spring Forward!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:20:21 AM
Good Night Monkeys.....Don't Forget to Spring Forward!  ::cartwheel::

Goodnight HotPing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:21:26 AM
O/T ....PAC-10 CHAMPS BILLB....... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 01:21:48 AM
Back in January I posted my belief that Aruba powers that be were able to "flip" John S., who then "flipped" kyle  to help them (Aruba powers) cover up the cage contents. They (Aruba powers) were able to do that because of the GREED of John S, Louis S. and kyle, by  promising lucrative incentives (Oil work/Shipwreck discovery/mapping opportunities to John S., Louis S., Kyle.
There must be a connection to Aruba/Dutch entities and Louis/John/Kyle....
We need to find that connection...to put another piece of the puzzle together, to find Justice for Natalee.....
I look forward to the April 19th program...
billb... 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 01:25:43 AM
O/T ....PAC-10 CHAMPS BILLB....... ::MonkeyDance::
Never a doubt KTF...
Huskies claim first outright title since 1953


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:26:40 AM
Back in January I posted my belief that Aruba powers that be were able to "flip" John S., who then "flipped" kyle  to help them (Aruba powers) cover up the cage contents. They (Aruba powers) were able to do that because of the GREED of John S, Louis S. and kyle, by  promising lucrative incentives (Oil work/Shipwreck discovery/mapping opportunities to John S., Louis S., Kyle.
There must be a connection to Aruba/Dutch entities and Louis/John/Kyle....
We need to find that connection...to put another piece of the puzzle together, to find Justice for Natalee.....
I look forward to the April 19th program...
billb... 

That sounds very plausible BillB...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 01:31:37 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Where's the Frog at??


Since billb is here I might as well do some quote stacks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this post from Kyle at SM on Nov 20th,2008

 gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:34:15 AM
Why would you stay at the Holiday inn if you had a free time share??I'm sure that's been asked a million times.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 01:35:53 AM
Back in January I posted my belief that Aruba powers that be were able to "flip" John S., who then "flipped" kyle  to help them (Aruba powers) cover up the cage contents. They (Aruba powers) were able to do that because of the GREED of John S, Louis S. and kyle, by  promising lucrative incentives (Oil work/Shipwreck discovery/mapping opportunities to John S., Louis S., Kyle.
There must be a connection to Aruba/Dutch entities and Louis/John/Kyle....
We need to find that connection...to put another piece of the puzzle together, to find Justice for Natalee.....
I look forward to the April 19th program...
billb... 


That sounds very plausible BillB...
absolutely...KTF...I rest my case on that fact that there is NO evidence the the Persistence crew dove on/or took ROV pics of any other "supposedly 100 plus targets" after 7 Jan, but continued their mapping....well after the 7 Jan recovery of the cage contents by aruba divers.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 01:39:13 AM
Goodnight Janet and Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:44:50 AM
Back in January I posted my belief that Aruba powers that be were able to "flip" John S., who then "flipped" kyle  to help them (Aruba powers) cover up the cage contents. They (Aruba powers) were able to do that because of the GREED of John S, Louis S. and kyle, by  promising lucrative incentives (Oil work/Shipwreck discovery/mapping opportunities to John S., Louis S., Kyle.
There must be a connection to Aruba/Dutch entities and Louis/John/Kyle....
We need to find that connection...to put another piece of the puzzle together, to find Justice for Natalee.....
I look forward to the April 19th program...
billb... 


That sounds very plausible BillB...
absolutely...KTF...I rest my case on that fact that there is NO evidence the the Persistence crew dove on/or took ROV pics of any other "supposedly 100 plus targets" after 7 Jan, but continued their mapping....well after the 7 Jan recovery of the cage contents by aruba divers.....

Really like to know who and where they went dinner once they got down there?As kyle was talking about repore.How was that developed?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 01:52:39 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Where's the Frog at??


Since billb is here I might as well do some quote stacks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this post from Kyle at SM on Nov 20th,2008

 gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.
 
Surface punk sailors....
As a US Navy Submarine sailor, I worked 24/7 for  (at that time a record..still holds today) 97 days submerged. My normal routine was 6 hrs on, 4 off, 6 hrs on 4 off, 6 hrs on, 4 off...worked out to 18 hours a day...for 97 days.....my main task was to operate ROV with side scan sonar.. down look sonar, and monitor the well being of the saturation divers that were deployed in 200 + ft depth water for those 97 days...
I can tell you from experience...you don't get tired during a < 30 day search when things are happening...you get ENERGIZED....time doesn't matter! IF you are focused on the right reasons..
My point?....by Nov 20th, 2008.....kyle was at ease with his sellout of...Justice for Natalee....he was already wll compensated...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:55:36 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Where's the Frog at??


Since billb is here I might as well do some quote stacks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this post from Kyle at SM on Nov 20th,2008

 gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.
 
Surface punk sailors....
As a US Navy Submarine sailor, I worked 24/7 for  (at that time a record..still holds today) 97 days submerged. My normal routine was 6 hrs on, 4 off, 6 hrs on 4 off, 6 hrs on, 4 off...worked out to 18 hours a day...for 97 days.....my main task was to operate ROV with side scan sonar.. down look sonar, and monitor the well being of the saturation divers that were deployed in 200 + ft depth water for those 97 days...
I can tell you from experience...you don't get tired during a < 30 day search when things are happening...you get ENERGIZED....time doesn't matter! IF you are focused on the right reasons..
My point?....by Nov 20th, 2008.....kyle was at ease with his sellout of...Justice for Natalee....he was already wll compensated...


I applaud you BillB.I couldn't get into a sub..Think i'd be way to caustrophobic.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 01:56:10 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Where's the Frog at??


Since billb is here I might as well do some quote stacks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this post from Kyle at SM on Nov 20th,2008

 gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.
 
Surface punk sailors....
As a US Navy Submarine sailor, I worked 24/7 for  (at that time a record..still holds today) 97 days submerged. My normal routine was 6 hrs on, 4 off, 6 hrs on 4 off, 6 hrs on, 4 off...worked out to 18 hours a day...for 97 days.....my main task was to operate ROV with side scan sonar.. down look sonar, and monitor the well being of the saturation divers that were deployed in 200 + ft depth water for those 97 days...
I can tell you from experience...you don't get tired during a < 30 day search when things are happening...you get ENERGIZED....time doesn't matter! IF you are focused on the right reasons..
My point?....by Nov 20th, 2008.....kyle was at ease with his sellout of...Justice for Natalee....he was already well compensated...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:56:54 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 01:57:58 AM
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #597 on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
It will be nice to be home for the holidays this year.  Last year I missd Christmas, New Years, Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Her B-Day, and our anniversary.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.580


Klye said: "I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level.
We met in mid-Feb about this already
Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives



Kyle said "we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I




Sometime between Christmas and New Years - the Peristence finds "something"

*
Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an exercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea


Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'
 
Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

11 Feb 2008 - Kyle asks for donations for the Persistence to continue the search. They are out of funds.

Feb 14 Kyle is in US talking to Executives

02/20/2008
"Personally, I have been off of the boat since a week ago Saturday to rest at home, have Christmas, new years, etc...  I will return to the Persistence tomorrow night…”





I still say something is hinky here.  He says he would return to the Persistence after Christmas.
Then he says that he found the trap on Christmas Eve.
He can't be both places at once. ::MonkeyConfused::

Magnolia,
Those aren't Kyle's words, something's just gotten out of place there.  Those are Dr. Hodges statements regarding himself and Louis Schaefer.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html
snip
December 20
The next day, Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I. That afternoon (December 20) I met with Diario publisher Jossy Mansur in his office in Oranjestad for a couple of hours to discuss the case face-to-face. While we talked about my profile in more depth, Jossy also told me several things in person he had not been able to reveal over the phone. The veteran newspaperman gave me a good feel for the politics of the investigation and how future investigations may unfold should Natalee's body be discovered.

snip

Where's the Frog at??


Since billb is here I might as well do some quote stacks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this post from Kyle at SM on Nov 20th,2008

 gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.
 
Surface punk sailors....
As a US Navy Submarine sailor, I worked 24/7 for  (at that time a record..still holds today) 97 days submerged. My normal routine was 6 hrs on, 4 off, 6 hrs on 4 off, 6 hrs on, 4 off...worked out to 18 hours a day...for 97 days.....my main task was to operate ROV with side scan sonar.. down look sonar, and monitor the well being of the saturation divers that were deployed in 200 + ft depth water for those 97 days...
I can tell you from experience...you don't get tired during a < 30 day search when things are happening...you get ENERGIZED....time doesn't matter! IF you are focused on the right reasons..
My point?....by Nov 20th, 2008.....kyle was at ease with his sellout of...Justice for Natalee....he was already wll compensated...


I applaud you BillB.I couldn't get into a sub..Think i'd be way to caustrophobic.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Did it for 10 years......Youth is fleeting.....but if given an another opportunity ::MonkeyCool::..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:01:05 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My nave is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:03:01 AM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

March 4, 2009

http://www.magic965.com/pictures/thumbnails.php?album=1466

(http://www.magic965.com/pictures/albums/MAR2009/040309%20LADIES%20NITE/Frog_006.JPG)

(http://www.magic965.com/pictures/albums/MAR2009/040309%20LADIES%20NITE/Frog_025.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 03:03:40 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My nave is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think i understand better after finding out you were stuck in a tube for 97 days... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:04:53 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My name is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::
KTF...subtle hint...see how I purposely make a spelling error...so I can correct it with another STACK.....who's the MASTER?.....billb, of course..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:05:15 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My nave is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Alright!  What's been going on here!  Did somebody say stack..stack..stackaholic!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 03:06:34 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My name is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::
KTF...subtle hint...see how I purposely make a spelling error...so I can correct it with another STACK.....who's the MASTER?.....billb, of course..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

BillB is the master (as i'm bowing)... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:07:43 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My name is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::
KTF...subtle hint...see how I purposely make a spelling error...so I can correct it with another STACK.....who's the MASTER?.....billb, of course..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

BillB is the master (as i'm bowing)... ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree!   ::MonkeyDance::

(posting anything to get the three 6's off the end of my count number)  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:14:38 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith, texasmom, Cageman and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

I appreciate Lifesong bringing my Jan post forward as I truly believe that the Aruba powers found a way to take advantage of the persistence's mission...that may ultimately deny Justice for Natalee.....
SO BE IT... IF THAT IS THE CASE>>>>>>>>
REST ASSURE ARUBA........
MONKEYS WILL HUNT YOU ALL DOWN AND HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE COVER UP.... 
NO Justice for Natalee....NO tourism for Aruba........take THAT TO THE BANK ARUBA...
mhoo...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:15:52 AM


Since billb is here I might as well do some quote stacks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this post from Kyle at SM on Nov 20th,2008

 gotcha.  I wasn't sent off the boat.  I asked for a few days rest, after working 16 hr days straight from Dec 15-Jan 10th. I spend 4 days at the holiday inn and returned to the Persistence.  I'm not sure what bad stuff he is referring to.
Enough for now, I'm headed out. Take care all.
 
Surface punk sailors....
As a US Navy Submarine sailor, I worked 24/7 for  (at that time a record..still holds today) 97 days submerged. My normal routine was 6 hrs on, 4 off, 6 hrs on 4 off, 6 hrs on, 4 off...worked out to 18 hours a day...for 97 days.....my main task was to operate ROV with side scan sonar.. down look sonar, and monitor the well being of the saturation divers that were deployed in 200 + ft depth water for those 97 days...
I can tell you from experience...you don't get tired during a < 30 day search when things are happening...you get ENERGIZED....time doesn't matter! IF you are focused on the right reasons..
My point?....by Nov 20th, 2008.....kyle was at ease with his sellout of...Justice for Natalee....he was already wll compensated...


I applaud you BillB.I couldn't get into a sub..Think i'd be way to caustrophobic.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Did it for 10 years......Youth is fleeting.....but if given an another opportunity ::MonkeyCool::..

I went on a tour of a submarine once, I couldn't do it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm glad there are others who can!   ::MonkeyCool::
  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:16:37 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My name is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::
KTF...subtle hint...see how I purposely make a spelling error...so I can correct it with another STACK.....who's the MASTER?.....billb, of course..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

BillB is the master (as i'm bowing)... ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree!   ::MonkeyDance::

(posting anything to get the three 6's off the end of my count number)  ::MonkeyWaa::
TM..you're cool...
Posts: 4667
Good night....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 03:17:03 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith, texasmom, Cageman and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

I appreciate Lifesong bringing my Jan post forward as I truly believe that the Aruba powers found a way to take advantage of the persistence's mission...that may ultimately deny Justice for Natalee.....
SO BE IT... IF THAT IS THE CASE>>>>>>>>
REST ASSURE ARUBA........
MONKEYS WILL HUNT YOU ALL DOWN AND HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE COVER UP.... 
NO Justice for Natalee....NO tourism for Aruba........take THAT TO THE BANK ARUBA...
mhoo...

Goodnight BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:17:37 AM
Good night billb, Keepthefaith, texasmom, Cageman and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

I appreciate Lifesong bringing my Jan post forward as I truly believe that the Aruba powers found a way to take advantage of the persistence's mission...that may ultimately deny Justice for Natalee.....
SO BE IT... IF THAT IS THE CASE>>>>>>>>
REST ASSURE ARUBA........
MONKEYS WILL HUNT YOU ALL DOWN AND HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE COVER UP.... 
NO Justice for Natalee....NO tourism for Aruba........take THAT TO THE BANK ARUBA...
mhoo...

Goodnight billb!  Good to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:20:10 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My name is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::
KTF...subtle hint...see how I purposely make a spelling error...so I can correct it with another STACK.....who's the MASTER?.....billb, of course..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

BillB is the master (as i'm bowing)... ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree!   ::MonkeyDance::

(posting anything to get the three 6's off the end of my count number)  ::MonkeyWaa::
TM..you're cool...
Posts: 4667
Good night....

nite billb...and btw...I really do agree; you're the stackmaster!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 03:20:41 AM
                               JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                   GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                             KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:22:09 AM
                               JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                   GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                             KEEPTHEFAITH

Goodnight, and God bless you too KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:27:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:28:58 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My nave is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think i understand better after finding out you were stuck in a tube for 97 days... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
Had to come back for this...WARNING>>>ADULT LANGUAGE>>>>
As we used to say..(and this was in the late 60s, early 70s....it was a time when men were men...and sheep were nervous.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
HEY...I've got 3 lovely daughters( and a wonderful wife who would kick my a**)...1 college grad..going for a masters....jr in college, and a HS senior going to a 4 yr college in the fall...
point is, I NEVER said BHAA....at least not sheepishly.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:32:03 AM
You did that for a Stack BillB..Where are the Mods! ::MonkeyLaugh::
I did..Thanks for bringing me back to reality KTK.... ::MonkeyCool::
My nave is billb...and I am a stackaholic!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think i understand better after finding out you were stuck in a tube for 97 days... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
Had to come back for this...WARNING>>>ADULT LANGUAGE>>>>
As we used to say..(and this was in the late 60s, early 70s....it was a time when men were men...and sheep were nervous.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
HEY...I've got 3 lovely daughters( and a wonderful wife who would kick my a**)...1 college grad..going for a masters....jr in college, and a HS senior going to a 4 yr college in the fall...
point is, I NEVER said BHAA....at least not sheepishly.... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 03:33:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 08, 2009, 03:42:39 AM
Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  ::MonkeyShocked:: It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:45:12 AM
Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  ::MonkeyShocked:: It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!!  ::MonkeyCool::
Your not making "fuv" of me...are you wreck?....
got to see you...big guy...
Why are we always here so late?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:48:45 AM
Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  ::MonkeyShocked:: It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!!  ::MonkeyCool::
Your not making "fuv" of me...are you wreck?....
good to see you...big guy...
Why are we always here so late?


NOT helping me to my STACKAHOLISM ...wreck....
DON't you read? I'm looking foe help!!! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 08, 2009, 03:51:06 AM
Hi, my "nave" is wreck!  ::MonkeyShocked:: It's about to be 1 hour later than the current time!!  ::MonkeyCool::
Your not making "fuv" of me...are you wreck?....
good to see you...big guy...
Why are we always here so late?


NOT helping me to my STACKAHOLISM ...wreck....
DON't you read? I'm looking FOR help!!! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
You're ::MonkeyWaa:: (I'm) killing me here...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 06:36:08 AM
Breaking News

Sun 08 Mar 2009 07:32 |
Dutch missing on Bonaire

Kralendijk - Bonaire on since Saturday morning (local time) a 44-year-old Dutch woman missing. It has a police spokesman announced Saturday. It is a woman who lives on the island.

Her friend has reported the loss. The police have a dive site in the car the woman was found. A search by divers from natural Stinapa organization has nothing.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

zo 08 mrt 2009, 07:32
Nederlandse vermist op Bonaire

KRALENDIJK - Op Bonaire wordt sinds zaterdagochtend (lokale tijd) een 44-jarige Nederlandse vrouw vermist. Dat heeft een politiewoordvoerder zaterdagavond bekendgemaakt. Het gaat om een vrouw die op het eiland woont.

Haar vriend heeft aangifte gedaan van de vermissing. De politie heeft bij een duikplek de auto van de vrouw aangetroffen. Een zoekactie door duikers van natuurorganistatie Stinapa heeft niets opgeleverd.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 08, 2009, 09:20:04 AM
Good Morning San and Maria

Have a great Sunday!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 09:25:10 AM
Good Morning San and Maria

Have a great Sunday!

Good Morning Everyone.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/day_shift_lg_clr.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 10:57:04 AM
I'm sorry but I find this humorous.  This was posted yesterday at the BFN backup site.  It has not been answered yet:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JohanQuestionBFN2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:19:09 AM
Klaas ... when you consider Kyle Kingman's words regarding the events encompassing January, 7, 2008 chain of custody that envolved only the enemy who had prevent justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... a search of the remaining targets would be for naught.   

Think about it.

1.  According to Kyle Kingman ... Natalee Holloway's remains Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that trap.

2.  What assurances do those who prayfully and monetarily donated to the last search have that a repeat of January 7, 2008 would not be where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part.  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 11:20:19 AM
Good Morning San and Maria

Have a great Sunday!

Good Morning Everyone.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/day_shift_lg_clr.gif)


Good Morning Johan55, Bastibro, Debbie and 9 Guests!


   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:24:41 AM
A REMINDER


PRIVATE EYE


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 11:31:06 AM
IF - there is another search planned then WHY are they not soliciting donations?

IF - there is another search planned then WHY has it not been published by media in the USA, why only Dutch?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 11:31:14 AM
Breaking News

Sun 08 Mar 2009 07:32 |
Dutch missing on Bonaire

Kralendijk - Bonaire on since Saturday morning (local time) a 44-year-old Dutch woman missing. It has a police spokesman announced Saturday. It is a woman who lives on the island.

Her friend has reported the loss. The police have a dive site in the car the woman was found. A search by divers from natural Stinapa organization has nothing.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

zo 08 mrt 2009, 07:32
Nederlandse vermist op Bonaire

KRALENDIJK - Op Bonaire wordt sinds zaterdagochtend (lokale tijd) een 44-jarige Nederlandse vrouw vermist. Dat heeft een politiewoordvoerder zaterdagavond bekendgemaakt. Het gaat om een vrouw die op het eiland woont.

Haar vriend heeft aangifte gedaan van de vermissing. De politie heeft bij een duikplek de auto van de vrouw aangetroffen. Een zoekactie door duikers van natuurorganistatie Stinapa heeft niets opgeleverd.




   
The Bonaire missing woman called Sylvia, she was born on March 24, 1965, reports our correspondent Bonaire. There is probably not a crime, but a farewell letter.

translated from:

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 08, 2009, 11:35:45 AM
IF - there is another search planned then WHY are they not soliciting donations?

IF - there is another search planned then WHY has it not been published by media in the USA, why only Dutch?





If they allowed a search, complete with donations, after knowing that the remains had already been collected, then I think that would be inhumane and sadistic on their part.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
IF - there is another search planned then WHY are they not soliciting donations?

IF - there is another search planned then WHY has it not been published by media in the USA, why only Dutch?





If they allowed a search, complete with donations, after knowing that the remains had already been collected, then I think that would be inhumane and sadistic on their part.

It defies logic. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 11:44:43 AM
Klaas ... when you consider Kyle Kingman's words regarding the events encompassing January, 7, 2008 chain of custody that envolved only the enemy who had prevent justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... a search of the remaining targets would be for naught.  

Think about it.

1.  According to Kyle Kingman ... Natalee Holloway's remains Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that trap.

2.  What assurances do those who prayfully and monetarily donated to the last search have that a repeat of January 7, 2008 would not be where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part.  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very disappointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.




Janet,
Your words above are the Problem.  You said "Think about it."

Well, some seem to think that is a though crime of some sort.  Mustn't think for ourselves at all but rather be told what to think. 

I have all the respect, admiration and might even say affection for Dave Holloway having watched him for almost four years now.  I have included him in hundreds and maybe thousands of prayers.  That photo of him digging in the dump for his daughter is one of the most touching to me of this entire tragedy.

That said, I do not however require him to tell me right from wrong, logic from illogic. 

There is nothing anybody could say or do that would make me feel good about any remains that could even possibly be Natalee being handled and given exclusively over to Aruban LE, the same group that turned blood into chocolate, threw away fabric that looked familiar on TV, discarded belt found by Art Wood, and made every other shred of even possible evidence vanish.

But that's just me.  Others, of course, may feel differently.  I would much rather see Natalee returned to her family than ALE.


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:47:20 AM
Could it be that those remaining targets are not Natalee Holloway related but ... oil mapping related?
 
Nevertheless ... I contend that no donations will be solicited.  It would be too risky.

IMO

Janet 


Local Teams Joins The Search For Natalee Holloway

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role. Once teams reach Aruba they'll scan the bottom of the ocean and map out any objects that seem out of place. What sensors pick up is all monitored in this survey room. Teams will then investigate the objects and send a robotic like device under water with cameras.

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/urgent-aruban-resort-owners-36968/

OOPS

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ArubaTradingPlaces.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:06:36 PM
I guess what I don't understand is that if all the mapping is done and the targets located....if they think Natalee could be in one (and not already located), why do they have to wait for ships, etc.  Can't a couple of scuba divers just dive on the targets?  I would think diving could be accomplished pretty reasonably.  Don't people actually visit that area to dive?  Why all the need for "search" vessels?  Do you need an ROV to check a cage?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:09:02 PM
p.s.  Did Capps need an ROV to dive on the cage....hee heee heee????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 12:14:34 PM
p.s.  Did Capps need an ROV to dive on the cage....hee heee heee????

They hardly need an ROV in 90 feet of water  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wonder if Caps is still relaying messages to Lala's and others?  Seems like things have been quiet on that front.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:19:52 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 12:27:06 PM
p.s.  Did Capps need an ROV to dive on the cage....hee heee heee????

 ::MonkeyShocked::

The Coast Guard should have called on CAPS.  He knows all and ... can do all.

Janet

+++++++

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #931 on: December 03, 2008, 04:19:56 AM »


Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838;topicseen#msg564838


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John [Silvetti]. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
Those 100 or so targets....were they farther out per Richardson's prompting?   Weren't they mentioned just before they ended the search?  Just thinking about Buckeye's post about the need for a ROV for dives.

I have a couple of threads to read since our return late last night.  With loads of laundry in the mix, it may take me some time to catch up here.  Good to be back, but that's an OT story I may have to post in Musings or the Lounge. 

 :smt039    Texasmom, I saw that you spotted me last night!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 12:36:24 PM
Good Morning Everyone!

2NJ...I'm Happy to see You back Safely!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 12:37:32 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?

Buckeye ... immediately following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive ... Tim Miller presence on the Persistence was no more and ... John Silvetti took full control of the search and instructed the search to be conducted in "deeper" waters.

Thanks to Kyle Kingman ... Tamikosmom no longer has to speculate.

Janet

++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:


<snipped>
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
Wecome back 2NJSons_Mom.   I hope you had a great holiday.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?

Buckeye ... immediately following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive ... Tim Miller presence on the Persistence was no more and ... John Silvetti took full control of the search and instructed the search to be conducted in "deeper" waters.

Thanks to Kyle Kingman ... Tamikosmom no longer has to speculate.

Janet

++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:


<snipped>
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.




I still think that if you have the location, someone can dive it.  They would need a diver with or without anything else.  There are scuba divers that dive deep.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?

Buckeye ... immediately following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive ... Tim Miller presence on the Persistence was no more and ... John Silvetti took full control of the search and instructed the search to be conducted in "deeper" waters.

Thanks to Kyle Kingman ... Tamikosmom no longer has to speculate.

Janet

++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:


<snipped>
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.




LOGIC DICTATES... ::MonkeyCool::

I wonder if anybody has posed the question to Ol' Johnny Silvetti... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 12:42:27 PM
Those 100 or so targets....were they farther out per Richardson's prompting?   Weren't they mentioned just before they ended the search?  Just thinking about Buckeye's post about the need for a ROV for dives.

I have a couple of threads to read since our return late last night.  With loads of laundry in the mix, it may take me some time to catch up here.  Good to be back, but that's an OT story I may have to post in Musings or the Lounge. 

 :smt039    Texasmom, I saw that you spotted me last night!

Good morning everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, 2NJ...I spotted you, but then I wondered if you weren't still on vacation and had found a computer to check into the cage on!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Glad you're back, and hope you had a blast!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
Keepthefaith, hotping, texasmom, Blue Moon, oldfart, Buckeye, SuzieQ, Anna, Magnolia, Lifesong


Good Morning Monkey's..

We've been having interesting guest stopping by as of late! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 12:47:51 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?

Buckeye ... immediately following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive ... Tim Miller presence on the Persistence was no more and ... John Silvetti took full control of the search and instructed the search to be conducted in "deeper" waters.

Thanks to Kyle Kingman ... Tamikosmom no longer has to speculate.

Janet

++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:


<snipped>
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.




I still think that if you have the location, someone can dive it.  They would need a diver with or without anything else.  There are scuba divers that dive deep.

However ... the targets may have nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case and ... everything to do with oil mapping.  This would dictate that John Silvetti must be in command.

IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:51:38 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?

Buckeye ... immediately following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive ... Tim Miller presence on the Persistence was no more and ... John Silvetti took full control of the search and instructed the search to be conducted in "deeper" waters.

Thanks to Kyle Kingman ... Tamikosmom no longer has to speculate.

Janet

++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:


<snipped>
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.




I still think that if you have the location, someone can dive it.  They would need a diver with or without anything else.  There are scuba divers that dive deep.

However ... the targets may have nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case and ... everything to do with oil mapping.  This would dictate that John Silvetti must be in command.

IMO

Janet




That is a bit of my point.  If these targets are possibly Natalee, why have divers not been sent?  Either they know the targets can't be Natalee, because she has possibly been located, or the "targets" are something else.  I see no reason that a diver has not checked a target, if the target was/is legit.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:53:14 PM
The mapping is done.  You don't need an exploration ship to dive.  What am I missing??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
I must say.The Persistence,Family,friends,as well as supporters must not like when the big OL' OIL research is going on!Distractions,distractions....The research will not stop until TRUTH about the MAJOR players,Schaefer,Silvetti,Trahan and Kingman comes out......... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 12:57:29 PM
The mapping is done.  You don't need an exploration ship to dive.  What am I missing??

NOTHING...That's quite LOGICAL Buckeye.Like you said.The other targets either have nothing to do with Natalee,and or they truly believe she was in the cage!After reading about Schaefer had his BIG RIP-OFF of stockholders,i believe that he has LOT'S of $$$$$$$$$$$ to send the diver's down to those target's..Why would you wait in excess of another 2 years to dive on those target's??Some thing's just aren't logical!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 12:58:12 PM
The goal had to have been something other than locating Natalee or divers would be diving on the targets.  They either found her, already, or the whole mapping was for some other reason...or divers would be looking at those targets..IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:04:56 PM
The goal had to have been something other than locating Natalee or divers would be diving on the targets.  They either found her, already, or the whole mapping was for some other reason...or divers would be looking at those targets..IMO

EXACTLEY..Them not having enough money for the search was a line of B.S. in my opinion.Do you only take one diver down there,and only for one physical dive??I would really be curious to know when Trahan flew down there,as well as when he VANISHED?Was he flown down simply for the THUMBS DOWN??How much time did actual divers spend on the boat and diving on any targets??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 01:08:46 PM
The goal had to have been something other than locating Natalee or divers would be diving on the targets.  They either found her, already, or the whole mapping was for some other reason...or divers would be looking at those targets..IMO

I agree.  I also can't help but believe that if the original mission was "JUST ABOUT NATALEE"; that there were those who would have provided any additional funding needed while the Persistence was still there.  It didn't make sense to me then why the funding didn't come.  It is all too clear now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 01:08:53 PM
Seriously...If they think they found targets and they have not found Natalee, then why have they not sent just some plain old fashioned scuba divers, to check the targets?

Buckeye ... immediately following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive ... Tim Miller presence on the Persistence was no more and ... John Silvetti took full control of the search and instructed the search to be conducted in "deeper" waters.

Thanks to Kyle Kingman ... Tamikosmom no longer has to speculate.

Janet

++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:


<snipped>
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

<snipped>

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.




I still think that if you have the location, someone can dive it.  They would need a diver with or without anything else.  There are scuba divers that dive deep.

I agree Buckeye.  If there was something in another trap it would be easy for Aruba to have someone dive and get to it.

Like I said there is a plan in place and the main purpose was for mapping the ocean not finding Natalee.  Never was about finding Natalee.  They turned what they found over to the ALE so to me they were either stupid for trusting the ALE or corrupt. I would say they are corrupt.  Getting Tim Miller off that boat proves their intentions.  Get rid of the liability because he will never go along with our plan.

How many times have we posted on this site time after time to not trust the ALE or the prosecutor to do the right thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:10:20 PM
I must say.The Persistence,Family,friends,as well as supporters must not like when the big OL' OIL research is going on!Distractions,distractions....The research will not stop until TRUTH about the MAJOR players,Schaefer,Silvetti,Trahan and Kingman comes out......... ::MonkeyWink::

THA NERVE HAS BEEN STRUCK.I REPEAT..THE NERVE HAS BEEN STRUCK!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
I'm sorry if this is a repeat.

********

PetroChina, Petrobras pursue Aruba refinery-sources
Reuters - Saturday, March 7(Adds Ecopetrol interest, paragraph 2; Valero comment, paragraph 5; background, paragraphs 10-18; byline)


By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON, March 6 - Top Asian oil and natural gas producer PetroChina <PTR.N> <0857.HK> <601857.SS> and Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras <PBR.N> <PETR4.SA> were seen as potential bidders for Valero Energy Corp's <VLO.N> refinery in Aruba, sources familiar with Valero's attempts to sell the refinery said on Friday.

Colombia's state-run oil company Ecopetrol <ECO.CN> <EC.N> was also interested in the 275,000 barrel per day refinery Valero put up for sale in November 2007, said another source familiar with the matter.

PetroChina's interest has been known for sometime on the island off Venezuela's coast and was even reported in a local newspaper, according to the sources.

Petrobras renewed its interest in the refinery late last year after pursuing a sale early in 2008 that ended after a January fire at the plant.

"More than one company has expressed an interest in the refinery," said Valero spokesman Bill Day, who declined to identify any of the interested companies.

Representatives from PetroChina and Ecopetrol were not immediately available. A spokeswoman for Petrobras said the company had no immediate comment.

Representatives from PetroChina have twice toured the refinery, the sources said, and a third visit had been scheduled.

PetroChina officials have also met government officials to discuss an exemption for the refinery from Aruba's 28-percent tax rate that expires at the end of 2010 and a tax dispute underway with Valero.

"Valero and the government can't come to agreement on the tax issue, so Valero wants to sell," one of the sources said.

Valero and Aruba are arbitrating a dispute over an additional tax the government placed on the refinery.

Valero has said it wants to sell the Aruba refinery because it cannot make finished gasoline for the U.S. market without further expensive upgrades. The company says it has already put $500 million into the plant.

Valero ships intermediate feedstock from Aruba to its U.S. Gulf Coast and East Coast refineries.

Valero's asking price, thought to be between $1 billion and $2 billion, for a refinery requiring additional billions in improvements, and the tax issues are thought to be the biggest stumbling blocks to a sale, the sources said.

Day declined to discuss a price tag for the refinery purchased for $495 million in 2004.

"We're considering our options," Day said. "We don't have to sell. If we don't get a good offer, we'll keep it."

Beginning in 2007, Petrobras pursued a purchase of the Aruba refinery.

A sale to Petrobras was due to be announced in January 2008, but was put on hold when one of the refinery's crude distillation vacuum units was heavily damaged in a late January fire. The entire refinery was shut for about two weeks and the crude unit returned to service at the end of May 2008.

Due to an internal dispute within Petrobras, the company dropped its plans to acquire the Aruba refinery and temporarily stalled in its effort to acquire complete ownership of a 100,000 bpd Pasadena, Texas, refinery.

With the internal disagreement resolved, Petrobras is renewing its interest in the Aruba refinery, the sources. (Additional reporting by Brian Ellsworth in Caracas; Editing by Christian Wiessner)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20090306/tbs-valero-aruba-sale-7318940.html?printer=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
If anybody posts i'll do a cartwheel.No.Really.OK.I'll do it first! ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 01:20:24 PM
Lifesong and KTF....I'm heading out for the day but I wanted to post this first...
Notice... Torch Offshore INC and Overseas Shipholding Group INC


Check this out

http://www.implu.com/company/147163


Have a Nice Day Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 01:23:15 PM


12/30/2007NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  "Dave was involved with the search until the 30th of Dec from an information-only level. I don't know if he knows anything about the blue denim-like fabric and have no reason to suspect that he does. I would say he knows as much as Beth, perhaps slightly more. It's time Beth knows what the truth is about that trap"

NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/):  “He [John Silvetti]  says Mos is inept and treated like a mushroom."


I thought these two quotes were interesting.  The first because I think its quite telling how Dave Holloway was treated.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  The second because I think it has Dolph Richardson written all over it. 

JMO and only MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
Lifesong and KTF....I'm heading out for the day but I wanted to post this first...
Notice... Torch Offshore INC and Overseas Shipholding Group INC


Check this out

http://www.implu.com/company/147163


Have a Nice Day Monkeys!
   Click on the tab that says "Connections"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
Lifesong and KTF....I'm heading out for the day but I wanted to post this first...
Notice... Torch Offshore INC and Overseas Shipholding Group INC


Check this out

http://www.implu.com/company/147163


Have a Nice Day Monkeys!
   Click on the tab that says "Connections"

Thanx Hotping..Cehcking it out!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
Keepthefaith, hotping, texasmom, Blue Moon, oldfart, Buckeye, SuzieQ, Anna, Magnolia, Lifesong


Good Morning Monkey's..

We've been having interesting guest stopping by as of late! ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning all.  I have been keeping up-to-date.  Just got a new laptop and trying to get used to Vista.  Have errors in my event log and Microsoft says to ignore them.  Well, being a monkey you know I CANNOT ignore errors.  Driving me crazy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 01:39:21 PM
The goal had to have been something other than locating Natalee or divers would be diving on the targets.  They either found her, already, or the whole mapping was for some other reason...or divers would be looking at those targets..IMO

EXACTLEY..Them not having enough money for the search was a line of B.S. in my opinion.Do you only take one diver down there,and only for one physical dive??I would really be curious to know when Trahan flew down there,as well as when he VANISHED?Was he flown down simply for the THUMBS DOWN??How much time did actual divers spend on the boat and diving on any targets??

CAPS and the Aruban divers were able to do what Tim Trahan could not.  If Tim T. was forced to surface for any reason prior to conclusively determining what was in the trap ... justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family demanded that he do another dive.

Natalee's parents were waiting on Tim Miller's call.  They deserved a CONCLUSIVE verdict from the only AMERICAN on the dive team.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
The goal had to have been something other than locating Natalee or divers would be diving on the targets.  They either found her, already, or the whole mapping was for some other reason...or divers would be looking at those targets..IMO

EXACTLEY..Them not having enough money for the search was a line of B.S. in my opinion.Do you only take one diver down there,and only for one physical dive??I would really be curious to know when Trahan flew down there,as well as when he VANISHED?Was he flown down simply for the THUMBS DOWN??How much time did actual divers spend on the boat and diving on any targets??

CAPS and the Aruban divers were able to do what Tim Trahan could not.  If Tim T. was forced to surface for any reason prior to conclusively determining what was in the trap ... justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family demanded that he do another dive.

Natalee's parents were waiting on Tim Miller's call.  They deserved a CONCLUSIVE verdict from the only AMERICAN on the dive team.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

I agree Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
Keepthefaith, hotping, texasmom, Blue Moon, oldfart, Buckeye, SuzieQ, Anna, Magnolia, Lifesong


Good Morning Monkey's..

We've been having interesting guest stopping by as of late! ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning all.  I have been keeping up-to-date.  Just got a new laptop and trying to get used to Vista.  Have errors in my event log and Microsoft says to ignore them.  Well, being a monkey you know I CANNOT ignore errors.  Driving me crazy.

New toy BlueMoon.  ::MonkeyDance:: always takes some getting used to..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 01:53:24 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 01:55:47 PM
So either Val got out early OR is no longer going there?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
So either Val got out early OR is no longer going there?

My guess, he didn't have a class on the 6th; or it was an early class.  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 02:04:24 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


The issue is that KYLE believed there were human remains in the cage.   Don't you get that? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 02:05:53 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


The issue is that KYLE believed there were human remains in the cage.   Don't you get that? 

Johan doesn't get it,nor will he..This has nothing to do with Kermit..You can attempt to discredit Kermit all you want!It doesn't change ONE thing that happened in regards to the cage/trap and the search that the Persistence did.

LOGIC JOHAN.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 08, 2009, 02:18:39 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


The issue is that KYLE believed there were human remains in the cage.   Don't you get that? 

I think Johan is the chosen messenger for this question and it's just another head game to deflect and disrupt.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:20:27 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


The issue is that KYLE believed there were human remains in the cage.   Don't you get that? 

I think Johan is the chosen messenger for this question and it's just another head game to deflect and disrupt.



B-I-N-G-O....... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
Keepthefaith, Debbie, 2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, Blue Moon, Anna

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
Keepthefaith, Debbie, 2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, Blue Moon, Anna

 ::MonkeyCool::

Remember patterns people......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 02:26:42 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


The issue is that KYLE believed there were human remains in the cage.   Don't you get that? 

I think Johan is the chosen messenger for this question and it's just another head game to deflect and disrupt.



B-I-N-G-O....... ::MonkeyDance::

And always the slight twist in the information from what was actually said/posted to whatever would be close but just slightly off so as to discredit.

Kermit never said that Kermit gave Dave anything, only that she had reason to believe that he had the information as do all who have read the words of Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:28:58 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

Edited to add:  I had a membership at BFN under another nic, but only read there.  It's been canceled so I do not have access anymore.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:34:06 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

I've never gone to either one so wouldn't know the difference.Maybe i should find out! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 02:34:35 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

Johan is a member of BFN, CnG, GM, RU and FOK..not sure about BNH.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:35:12 PM
Are you Mods afforded the same courtesy i see you afford others??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:36:05 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

Johan is a member of BFN, GnG, GM, RU and FOK..not sure about BNH.

And who is the Moderator for BFN?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

Johan is a member of BFN, GnG, GM, RU and FOK..not sure about BNH.

And who is the Moderator for BFN?

I'm not sure who all are currently moderators at BFN nor do I care.  I know Debbie continues to be Admin at BFN.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:38:01 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

Johan is a member of BFN, CnG, GM, RU and FOK..not sure about BNH.



I want a list of all 170 forums klaas! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Just kidding!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
If Johan555 a member at BFN??

Do you mean BNH?   (I don't have an answer either way) 

Johan is a member of BFN, GnG, GM, RU and FOK..not sure about BNH.

And who is the Moderator for BFN?

I'm not sure who all are currently moderators at BFN nor do I care.  I know Debbie continues to be Admin at BFN.

I think it is very gracious of Scared Monkey's to continue to allow that kind of transparency to other Admin's.I find it quite telling that they allow such nonsense... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 02:48:40 PM
Shall I search for more?  Bet I could come up with some, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's see:

Aruba.com
http://www.aruba.com/forum/members/johan555/

Fodors travel forum
http://www.fodors.com/community/profile/johan555/

ThaiVisa forum
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/johan555-m71142.html



There are more.....  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Shall I search for more?  Bet I could come up with some, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's see:

Aruba.com
http://www.aruba.com/forum/members/johan555/

Fodors travel forum
http://www.fodors.com/community/profile/johan555/

ThaiVisa forum
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/johan555-m71142.html



There are more.....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now that's funny.. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 08, 2009, 02:52:20 PM
Shall I search for more?  Bet I could come up with some, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's see:

Aruba.com
http://www.aruba.com/forum/members/johan555/

Fodors travel forum
http://www.fodors.com/community/profile/johan555/

ThaiVisa forum
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/johan555-m71142.html



There are more.....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now that's funny.. ::MonkeyLaugh::

MOO (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/thecookiebliss/Smilies/bc50e8ea.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 03:00:10 PM
Nonesuche - lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 08, 2009, 03:05:41 PM
Nonesuche - lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/thecookiebliss/Smilies/e85e140a.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 03:56:47 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

You said you were going to ask Peter deVries.
Did he not respond to your inquiry?



BUMP........ ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 04:01:21 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:05:47 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 04:06:57 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Johann,
What leads you to believe that Dave does not have the information?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:09:08 PM
Simply question Magnolia! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:13:24 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

You said you were going to ask Peter deVries.
Did he not respond to your inquiry?



BUMP........ ::MonkeyLaugh::

ONE MORE TIME FOR THE JOHAN'S ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???


Again, it does not say to whom Dave spoke in private but anyone wanting to know what he thinks should ask him directly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 04:23:23 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???


Again, it does not say to whom Dave spoke in private but anyone wanting to know what he thinks should ask him directly.

And we all know there are plenty who claim to know him personally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 04:25:21 PM
Well, we know Hotshot kept telling him......until he had his phone number changed. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
Sounds to me as though someone asked Dave if he got any information from Kermit the Frog and he said no.  So now the deal is to re-write history and what Kermit actually said so as to discredit it.

Shameful.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Same deal with the photos with the green frog right in the middle that some tried to claim things implied that never were.

Kermit is a Muppet.

 ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 04:25:47 PM
Well, we know Hotshot kept telling him......until he had his phone number changed. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:26:17 PM
Well, we know Hotshot kept telling him......until he had his phone number changed. ::MonkeyShocked::

I was just gonna say... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 04:26:59 PM
Well, we know Hotshot kept telling him......until he had his phone number changed. ::MonkeyShocked::

I was just gonna say... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 08, 2009, 04:27:37 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???
Can we say DejaVu, ::MonkeyHaHa:: because this sure seems like a repeat of yesterday on here.

So again I will say, I have seen no Proof of any new search.

When is this "new search" ? Date and time please?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:29:51 PM
How many remaining targets are there even supposed to be?  Didn't Kyle say 150 and then John Silvetti say 275?

Big difference in the count on that.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???
Can we say DejaVu, ::MonkeyHaHa:: because this sure seems like a repeat of yesterday on here.

So again I will say, I have seen no Proof of any new search.

When is this "new search" ? Date and time please?

Well.Ya gotta figure there aren't to many left that are able to be the distractions!JMOO ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:31:43 PM
And Tim Miller discussed DNA from the trap.  I wonder how he kept Dave Holloway from hearing him say that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 08, 2009, 04:34:38 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???
Can we say DejaVu, ::MonkeyHaHa:: because this sure seems like a repeat of yesterday on here.

So again I will say, I have seen no Proof of any new search.

When is this "new search" ? Date and time please?

Well.Ya gotta figure there aren't to many left that are able to be the distractions!JMOO ::MonkeyTongue::
thats true   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???
Can we say DejaVu, ::MonkeyHaHa:: because this sure seems like a repeat of yesterday on here.

So again I will say, I have seen no Proof of any new search.

When is this "new search" ? Date and time please?

I think the "new search" is a rumor started by Johan.
Johan is the one who brought that information here.
It was picked up by one Aruban newspaper and John Silvetti's sister
when she was trying to bash the Monkeys and defend the actions of
her brother.
There has been no mention of a new search anywhere else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:35:25 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.




Johan will tell you it's Hermit crabs in the cage! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:38:14 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


That was quite the dive on Jan 7th for some Hermit Crabs...ehhh Johan! ::cartwheel::

Johan will tell you it's Hermit crabs in the cage! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 04:38:43 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.




Johan will tell you it's Hermit crabs in the cage! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep, hermit crabs that the Arubans claimed were rocks!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 04:39:16 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Kermit never claimed that he/she sent Dave, Beth and the FBI that information.  Read his/her words carefully.

The agenda.  Discredit the messengers of the Persistence deception and ... negate the message.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 08, 2009, 04:39:19 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 04:41:07 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

Exactly Elaine!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 04:42:41 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


I agree Anna.  How will it change Kyle's own words.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:42:42 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.



Yes, and many posts were right here at SM and PI responded to them here as well.  This is not about kermit at all but what Kyle had to say about what happened onboard during the search and who was granted exclusive access to the results of the search.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 04:44:25 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.

Exactly Elaine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 04:44:52 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information



Kermit does not say who gave the information to Dave, only that he has it.  Tim Miller also discussed DNA from the trap I believe it was on Dateline so one would assume Dave knew about this as well.  I would think he would also watch the programs about this.

kermit said  here on this forum : Why do you want to know what Dave said in private?



Why do you Johan???
Can we say DejaVu, ::MonkeyHaHa:: because this sure seems like a repeat of yesterday on here.

So again I will say, I have seen no Proof of any new search.

When is this "new search" ? Date and time please?

I think the "new search" is a rumor started by Johan.
Johan is the one who brought that information here.
It was picked up by one Aruban newspaper and John Silvetti's sister
when she was trying to bash the Monkeys and defend the actions of
her brother.
There has been no mention of a new search anywhere else.

A rumor started by Johan ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

AD is one of the biggest newspapers in holland

Article Link : http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Artikle + trans :

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 04:46:52 PM
johan ... FYI.

Janet

+++++++

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:47:36 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 04:47:45 PM
Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 04:48:48 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 04:51:37 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.



Yes, and many posts were right here at SM and PI responded to them here as well.  This is not about kermit at all but what Kyle had to say about what happened onboard during the search and who was granted exclusive access to the results of the search.




Kyle = nitwit traitor - case closed.
Silvetti = future inmate - God willing.
Shaefer = bunk muffin to Silvetti - Liberachi willing.
Trahan = can't swim his way outta a bath tub - juss useless totally useless. I hope this guy gets the Jesus Juice treatment from Michael Jackson.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 08, 2009, 04:52:33 PM
Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :That PROVES nothing. IMO

Speculation is all. When is this "new search"..... date and time please?

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:53:19 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 04:54:17 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice... ::MonkeyCool::

lemme help ya KTF

 :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 08, 2009, 04:54:50 PM
Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :That PROVES nothing. IMO

Speculation is all. When is this "new search"..... date and time please?

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA
Sorry Rob, my reply ended up in your post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 04:54:52 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:56:30 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice... ::MonkeyCool::

lemme help ya KTF

 :2brickwall:

LMAO Rob.Nice to see you.Hope all is well in your world?The previous post was a Scared Monkey Classic! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
What does this remark in the article Johan posted the link to mean?

Quote:

,, This looks like a cover-up, says Dave Holloway, who quickly into the public shall neither confrontation searches. Sinds de verdwijning van Natalee is hij op zijn eigen bedeesde wijze dagelijks bezig geweest met het vinden van zijn dochter - los van zijn ex-vrouw Beth, Natalees veel bekendere moeder. Since the disappearance of Natalee is diminished in its own way every day trying to find his daughter - regardless of his ex-wife Beth, Natalees many known mother.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 04:58:17 PM
Kermit

Ribbit and ribbit and ribbit.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 04:59:13 PM
I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.

There ya go Johan....Still waiting on the answer to Kermit's question...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 05:00:16 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

Did Kermit ever say that he/she PERSONALLY gave any information to Dave Holloway?A SIMPLE yes or NO will suffice... ::MonkeyCool::


Kermit said that he sent the information to Private Eye and his wife because he could not
contact Beth at the time.
Kermit also gave the information to the FBI.
Wingnut sent the information to John Q. Kelley.
ldstlou and Lala sent the information to Jug
Steve Holloway has been reading here, from his post to Janet on the front page.
I would reckon he would have discussed what he has read with his brother.
Then there is Hotshot.....
That about covers all of the family I think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:00:25 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

BUMP






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:01:02 PM
I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.

Thanks Rob!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:01:12 PM
Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :That PROVES nothing. IMO

Speculation is all. When is this "new search"..... date and time please?

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA
Sorry Rob, my reply ended up in your post.

thats ok Elaine - and btw - nice to see you... I hope everything is going good in your world!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
What does this remark in the article Johan posted the link to mean?

Quote:

,, This looks like a cover-up, says Dave Holloway, who quickly into the public shall neither confrontation searches. Sinds de verdwijning van Natalee is hij op zijn eigen bedeesde wijze dagelijks bezig geweest met het vinden van zijn dochter - los van zijn ex-vrouw Beth, Natalees veel bekendere moeder. Since the disappearance of Natalee is diminished in its own way every day trying to find his daughter - regardless of his ex-wife Beth, Natalees many known mother.

  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
What does this remark in the article Johan posted the link to mean?

Quote:

,, This looks like a cover-up, says Dave Holloway, who quickly into the public shall neither confrontation searches. Sinds de verdwijning van Natalee is hij op zijn eigen bedeesde wijze dagelijks bezig geweest met het vinden van zijn dochter - los van zijn ex-vrouw Beth, Natalees veel bekendere moeder. Since the disappearance of Natalee is diminished in its own way every day trying to find his daughter - regardless of his ex-wife Beth, Natalees many known mother.

  ::MonkeyShocked::


Yeah, I know.

Really sad, isn't it?


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 08, 2009, 05:04:34 PM
Johan - I have to admit - I am surprised at some of the changes I have seen in you. I thought you were a real friend to us all.. and most importantly to NATALEE - remember her?

Going after Kermit all the time is just not becoming and I'm not at all sure what to think has happened to you - but I would sure hope that you would re-evaluate some of the things you have done recently.

-jmo-

read this Rob :That PROVES nothing. IMO

Speculation is all. When is this "new search"..... date and time please?

http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html&prev=_t&usg=ALkJrhisjY8QVrXNCkcBVIXiUAXH40B9zA
Sorry Rob, my reply ended up in your post.

thats ok Elaine - and btw - nice to see you... I hope everything is going good in your world!!
Yes all is great here, and good to see you too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 05:05:56 PM
I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.

And what told he about the content of the Cage ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:07:35 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:08:45 PM
"Big moves in the North Sea have become multi-million dollar operations."
<snip>
LR-Fairplay's Daily Newbuilding News says Brazils shipbuilding industry has been given a 'significant boost' with an announcement by state oil giant Petrobras that it needs as many as 100 offshore oil and gas support vessles."
<snip>
Superior Offshore International has closed the sale of platform support vessel "Gulf Diver V" and selected on board diving equipment to Legacy Offshore for US$ 4 million. The "Gulf Diver V" (ex-Salam River, ex-San Patricio, ex-Andrea Martin) is a 1974 Halter Marine built OSV and twin EMD 8-645E2 main engines producing 1, 950BHP.

Under the purchase agreement, Superior Offshore has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment for the same price on Oct. 1, 2008.

<snip>

Under the agreement Superior has agreed to sell a Kobelco CK 1600-2 crane located at the company's fabrication facility in Amelia, LA, and the 168-foot by 38 foot DSV
"Gulf Diver IV".

 DID WE FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THE SALE OF SUPERIOR OFFSHORE'S GULF DIVER IV?

<snip>
StatoilHydro has issued a Letter of Intent to Farstad Shipping ASA for a long-term charter contract for its'\platform suppy vessel (UT751 DC) under construction at Aker Yards Brevik."
<snip>
StatoilHydro is a major and important customer for Farstad Shipping. This contract further strengthens the company's  position as a long-term supplier for StatoilHydro.
<snip>
OF the 752 OSVs (Offshore Supply Vessels) under construction, China leads the orderbook with a total of 139 OSVs being built.
They are followed by the U.S. at 77, then Iddia and Singapore at 75 OSVs each under construction...."
<snip>
Subsea 7 Inc. says it has recently signed a contract for the construction of a new-build pipe lay and construction vessel. The overall project cost is in the region of US$ 190 million and is based on a fixed prices from the Merwede shipyard.
<snip>
Subsea 7 CEO Mel Fizgerald, stated: "We have invested in excess of US$ 1 billion in new vessels and equipment between 2006 and 2008.
<snip>
AKER Yards has clinched a contract from Norwegian ship owner DOF to build its frist platform supply vessel to be fuleled by liquefied natural gas.
<snip>
The Aker PSV 06 LNG design vessel will be owned by DOF and chartered to state energy group Statoilhydro to supply its offshore oil and gas production platforms in the North Sea and Norwegian Sea."
<snip>

CORPORATE NEWS
about Superior Offshore
H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a directior and as its chief restructuring officer.

<snip>
Lovett is the only executive officer of the company. Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Lovett, has been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to Suerior Offshore, receiving an initial retainer of US$150,000.
www.marcon.com/library/market_reports/2008/SU/SU04-08.pdf


In that article above this Hornbeck Offshore is HUGE. And I noticed this mentioned about Subsea 7, plus Helix was Cal Dive and became Helix in a name change.

Subsea 7
Hornbeck Offshore Services
Seaway Heavy Lifting
Helix Energy Solutions
Sealion Shipping Limited
Solstad AS
Global Marine Systems
Smit
http://www.merwede.com/index.php?id=2547

REMEMBER GEOLAB CHANGED THE NAME FROM GEOLAB SILVETTI TO GEOLAB LLC:
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


GeoLab
Middle-East Branch
<snip>
Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.http://tinyurl.com/cbmdx8

SUBSEA 7 INC. announced a contract award by Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras) for its pipelay vessel Kommandor 3000. The contract, with a value in the region of US $250 million, is for the exclusive use of the Kommandor 3000 for a period of six years commencing in February 2007.
http://www.ibiblio.org/maritime/photolibrary/albums/ftp/PDF/10_06/208-22-10-2006.pdf

Here's the organizational chart for subsea7 LifeSong!
http://www.subsea7.com/cms/files/Global%20Management%20Team.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?


how long is your nose Kermit?


I was at the Vancouver Aquarium yesterday and ... in the "Frogs Forever" section ... there must have been at least 50 different species of frogs and ... every one of them had the cutest little nose.  I can only assume that this confirms that frogs never lie.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 05:10:53 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 05:14:36 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/victor2.jpg)


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:14:46 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

KTF keeps asking YOU a question and you keep passing it right by... maybe if you would answer a question - others would answer yours'...

and by the way - not everyone wants to answer questions that were covered years ago - and you know that you were asking questions that WERE COVERED YEARS AGO. I saw you do that a few weeks ago and I really don't think what you did to Klaas was very nice at all.

Yep, I saw it Johan and I don't miss much and I sure didn't appreciate it at all. I don't think anyone else did either.

When calling others childish - mirror / look.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

Well, we are just ignorant monkeys.  What do you expect?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:16:05 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 05:17:38 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !


You seem to think you have the right to ask "1 simple question" yet you refuse to answer one yourself. 

So now when is the search?  Why doesn't Silvetti's sister know about it?  Did they forget to tell Dave Holloway as well?  Will the proceeds of this one also be turned over exclusively to the Arubans and only to the Arubans?

Not that I think you will answer but at least I can ask.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 05:17:44 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?


how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

When you ask a question and say you only want Kermit to answer you are going to get a lot of responses because I don't take orders to well.  It is a forum and you can't dictate what questions should be asked and what should be answered.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:18:09 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?





how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

Obviously ... Kermit has many friends and supporters who are thankful that justice for  Natalee Holloway and closure for her family is his/her priority.  That little frog took a risk and ... exposed the ultimate betrayal by John Silvetti ... the ultimate betrayal revealed in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:18:48 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?


how long is your nose Kermit?


I was at the Vancouver Aquarium yesterday and ... in the "Frogs Forever" section ... there must have been at least 50 different species of frogs and ... every one of them had the cutest little nose.  I can only assume that this confirms that frogs never lie.

Janet
 

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!






WE ALL PATIENTLY AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE JOHAN555! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 05:20:31 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?


how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

Obviously ... Kermit has many friends and supporters who are thankful that justice for  Natalee Holloway and closure for her family is his/her priority.  That little frog took a risk and ... exposed the ultimate betrayal by John Silvetti ... the ultimate betrayal revealed in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:21:04 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

That statement alone is very telling Johan....never thought you'd lower yourself to "puppet" duty.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
I'm sorry if this is a repeat.

********

PetroChina, Petrobras pursue Aruba refinery-sources
Reuters - Saturday, March 7(Adds Ecopetrol interest, paragraph 2; Valero comment, paragraph 5; background, paragraphs 10-18; byline)


By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON, March 6 - Top Asian oil and natural gas producer PetroChina <PTR.N> <0857.HK> <601857.SS> and Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras <PBR.N> <PETR4.SA> were seen as potential bidders for Valero Energy Corp's <VLO.N> refinery in Aruba, sources familiar with Valero's attempts to sell the refinery said on Friday.

Colombia's state-run oil company Ecopetrol <ECO.CN> <EC.N> was also interested in the 275,000 barrel per day refinery Valero put up for sale in November 2007, said another source familiar with the matter.

PetroChina's interest has been known for sometime on the island off Venezuela's coast and was even reported in a local newspaper, according to the sources.

Petrobras renewed its interest in the refinery late last year after pursuing a sale early in 2008 that ended after a January fire at the plant.

"More than one company has expressed an interest in the refinery," said Valero spokesman Bill Day, who declined to identify any of the interested companies.

Representatives from PetroChina and Ecopetrol were not immediately available. A spokeswoman for Petrobras said the company had no immediate comment.

Representatives from PetroChina have twice toured the refinery, the sources said, and a third visit had been scheduled.

PetroChina officials have also met government officials to discuss an exemption for the refinery from Aruba's 28-percent tax rate that expires at the end of 2010 and a tax dispute underway with Valero.

"Valero and the government can't come to agreement on the tax issue, so Valero wants to sell," one of the sources said.

Valero and Aruba are arbitrating a dispute over an additional tax the government placed on the refinery.

Valero has said it wants to sell the Aruba refinery because it cannot make finished gasoline for the U.S. market without further expensive upgrades. The company says it has already put $500 million into the plant.

Valero ships intermediate feedstock from Aruba to its U.S. Gulf Coast and East Coast refineries.

Valero's asking price, thought to be between $1 billion and $2 billion, for a refinery requiring additional billions in improvements, and the tax issues are thought to be the biggest stumbling blocks to a sale, the sources said.

Day declined to discuss a price tag for the refinery purchased for $495 million in 2004.

"We're considering our options," Day said. "We don't have to sell. If we don't get a good offer, we'll keep it."

Beginning in 2007, Petrobras pursued a purchase of the Aruba refinery.

A sale to Petrobras was due to be announced in January 2008, but was put on hold when one of the refinery's crude distillation vacuum units was heavily damaged in a late January fire. The entire refinery was shut for about two weeks and the crude unit returned to service at the end of May 2008.

Due to an internal dispute within Petrobras, the company dropped its plans to acquire the Aruba refinery and temporarily stalled in its effort to acquire complete ownership of a 100,000 bpd Pasadena, Texas, refinery.

With the internal disagreement resolved, Petrobras is renewing its interest in the Aruba refinery, the sources. (Additional reporting by Brian Ellsworth in Caracas; Editing by Christian Wiessner)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20090306/tbs-valero-aruba-sale-7318940.html?printer=1

Since Kermit just reposted a smidgeon about Petrobas, I thought I'd bring this forward.  Looks like there are 3 oil/gas entities interested in Valero at the moment.  Seems owners of offshore vessels have lotsa opportunity to win contract bids. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:23:15 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

That statement alone is very telling Johan....never thought you'd lower yourself to "puppet" duty.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

it must be hell walking around all day with *******'s hand up your ass!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:24:11 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Come on down johann

post your proof that according to you I am lying and Dave Holloway doesn't have the information.


DO IT!





 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

That statement alone is very telling Johan....never thought you'd lower yourself to "puppet" duty.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

it must be hell walking around all day with O ((edit))S hand up your ass!!!

self edit

Sorry Rob - there for a reason  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:25:03 PM
To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


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 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:25:23 PM
it must be hell walking around all day with *******'s hand up your ass!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ROB that is too funny. monkey poop.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


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I think Johan555 not answering Kermit is enough!! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:25:59 PM
KLASSEND ROFLMAO!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:26:11 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

That statement alone is very telling Johan....never thought you'd lower yourself to "puppet" duty.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

it must be hell walking around all day with *******'s hand up your ass!!!

Yep, he did say once that all the Dutch posters that HE brought over here would do whatever he said; I didn't believe it......all but one have proven me wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 05:26:17 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?


that was uncalled for - Johan - juss ask Klaas for the button... is that what you're after?

When i ask 1 simple question they attack me with 15 people ! very childish !

That statement alone is very telling Johan....never thought you'd lower yourself to "puppet" duty.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

it must be hell walking around all day with *******'s hand up your ass!!!


   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 08, 2009, 05:26:46 PM
To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/cat12.gif)
Don't ban him until he answers Kermit's challenge!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 05:26:56 PM
What was that signal Tim "Lighttanks" Trehan gave the second he touched bottom?  I think it was thumbs down?  That's my vote.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:27:12 PM
I'm sorry if this is a repeat.

********

PetroChina, Petrobras pursue Aruba refinery-sources
Reuters - Saturday, March 7(Adds Ecopetrol interest, paragraph 2; Valero comment, paragraph 5; background, paragraphs 10-18; byline)


By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON, March 6 - Top Asian oil and natural gas producer PetroChina <PTR.N> <0857.HK> <601857.SS> and Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras <PBR.N> <PETR4.SA> were seen as potential bidders for Valero Energy Corp's <VLO.N> refinery in Aruba, sources familiar with Valero's attempts to sell the refinery said on Friday.

Colombia's state-run oil company Ecopetrol <ECO.CN> <EC.N> was also interested in the 275,000 barrel per day refinery Valero put up for sale in November 2007, said another source familiar with the matter.

PetroChina's interest has been known for sometime on the island off Venezuela's coast and was even reported in a local newspaper, according to the sources.

Petrobras renewed its interest in the refinery late last year after pursuing a sale early in 2008 that ended after a January fire at the plant.

"More than one company has expressed an interest in the refinery," said Valero spokesman Bill Day, who declined to identify any of the interested companies.

Representatives from PetroChina and Ecopetrol were not immediately available. A spokeswoman for Petrobras said the company had no immediate comment.

Representatives from PetroChina have twice toured the refinery, the sources said, and a third visit had been scheduled.

PetroChina officials have also met government officials to discuss an exemption for the refinery from Aruba's 28-percent tax rate that expires at the end of 2010 and a tax dispute underway with Valero.

"Valero and the government can't come to agreement on the tax issue, so Valero wants to sell," one of the sources said.

Valero and Aruba are arbitrating a dispute over an additional tax the government placed on the refinery.

Valero has said it wants to sell the Aruba refinery because it cannot make finished gasoline for the U.S. market without further expensive upgrades. The company says it has already put $500 million into the plant.

Valero ships intermediate feedstock from Aruba to its U.S. Gulf Coast and East Coast refineries.

Valero's asking price, thought to be between $1 billion and $2 billion, for a refinery requiring additional billions in improvements, and the tax issues are thought to be the biggest stumbling blocks to a sale, the sources said.

Day declined to discuss a price tag for the refinery purchased for $495 million in 2004.

"We're considering our options," Day said. "We don't have to sell. If we don't get a good offer, we'll keep it."

Beginning in 2007, Petrobras pursued a purchase of the Aruba refinery.

A sale to Petrobras was due to be announced in January 2008, but was put on hold when one of the refinery's crude distillation vacuum units was heavily damaged in a late January fire. The entire refinery was shut for about two weeks and the crude unit returned to service at the end of May 2008.

Due to an internal dispute within Petrobras, the company dropped its plans to acquire the Aruba refinery and temporarily stalled in its effort to acquire complete ownership of a 100,000 bpd Pasadena, Texas, refinery.

With the internal disagreement resolved, Petrobras is renewing its interest in the Aruba refinery, the sources. (Additional reporting by Brian Ellsworth in Caracas; Editing by Christian Wiessner)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20090306/tbs-valero-aruba-sale-7318940.html?printer=1

Since Kermit just reposted a smidgeon about Petrobas, I thought I'd bring this forward.  Looks like there are 3 oil/gas entities interested in Valero at the moment.  Seems owners of offshore vessels have lotsa opportunity to win contract bids. 



Yes isn't that interesting. Also Superior Offshore SOLD another vessel Gulf Diver IV, but I can't find who bought it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 05:27:19 PM
To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


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Hit the button.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Come on down johann

post your proof that according to you I am lying and Dave Holloway doesn't have the information.


DO IT!





 




WE ARE STILL PATIENTLY WAITING JOHAN555..SHOULD I START A COUNTDOWN??? ::MonkeyDance:: WHO'S GOT THE TICK-TOCK CLOCK.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:29:28 PM
come on johann SHOW YOUR PROOF I am not telling the truth about Dave Holloway ACCORDING TO YOU not having the information

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

LETS DO IT BIG BOY!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:30:26 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !




NO NO MADE UP STORIES johann

SHOW ME YOUR PROOF!

COME ON




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5UOZn4oDK2I/Rsla4Zbh18I/AAAAAAAAADk/JgLMeoFIAbk/s320/Old+cat.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:31:27 PM
Come on Johann, bring it...PROOF that is...I really need to go to the store!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:32:01 PM
By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5UOZn4oDK2I/Rsla4Zbh18I/AAAAAAAAADk/JgLMeoFIAbk/s320/Old+cat.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:33:12 PM
COME ON JOHANN MAKE ME PROVE TO YOU I HAVE THE PROOF THAT DAVE HOLLOWAY HAS THE INFORMAITON/EVIDENCE ETC.

COME ON

I AM IN THE RIGHT MOOD TO DO IT




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 05:33:39 PM
Looks like Johan is going to pull a Kyle  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 05:33:41 PM
Come on Johann, bring it...PROOF that is...I really need to go to the store!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Maybe he's

(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:33:52 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !




NO NO MADE UP STORIES johann

SHOW ME YOUR PROOF!

COME ON




JOHAN555....WHAT YA GONNA DO..YOUR CHARACTER,AS WELL AS INTEGRITY ARE ON THE LINE................. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5UOZn4oDK2I/Rsla4Zbh18I/AAAAAAAAADk/JgLMeoFIAbk/s320/Old+cat.jpg)

You are still pretty cute....even if you are sweating like Paulus! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:34:45 PM
don't you dare come in here johann and accuse anyone of something and not back it up.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:34:59 PM

 ::MonkeyWaa::


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


+++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Video 2 - December 30, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8683/image532fx0.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman


Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:35:05 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:35:20 PM
COME ON JOHANN MAKE ME PROVE TO YOU I HAVE THE PROOF THAT DAVE HOLLOWAY HAS THE INFORMAITON/EVIDENCE ETC.

COME ON

I AM IN THE RIGHT MOOD TO DO IT




 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !






Who is this "they" and what did they say?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
Come on johann,

if Dave Holloway has told you specifically any different then I think we ALL should know.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:37:41 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


The last time i was aware of HotShot stopping in was,shortly before ldstlou was banned!Exact same day if that tells you anything..I found the timing quite ironic to say the least!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5UOZn4oDK2I/Rsla4Zbh18I/AAAAAAAAADk/JgLMeoFIAbk/s320/Old+cat.jpg)

You are still pretty cute....even if you are sweating like Paulus! ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/cat12.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:38:18 PM
Come on Johann, bring it...PROOF that is...I really need to go to the store!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Maybe he's

(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Probably more like chitngrunt can't get their proof chit together!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:38:45 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir

Perhaps her being cut off from calling the family has now turned to Johann calling.

Let's see what johann says that the family told him.

I think we have a right to know.

JOHANN WHO TOLD YOU SPECIFICALLY THAT DAVE HOLLOWAY DOES NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION/EVIDENCE?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:39:32 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


The last time i was aware of HotShot stopping in was,shortly before ldstlou was banned!Exact same day if that tells you anything..I found the timing quite ironic to say the least!

yeah, I noticed that too!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


The last time i was aware of HotShot stopping in was,shortly before ldstlou was banned!Exact same day if that tells you anything..I found the timing quite ironic to say the least!

her reputation even got anonymouse to ban her  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
COME ON JOHANN555 ------------- MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:40:34 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


The last time i was aware of HotShot stopping in was,shortly before ldstlou was banned!Exact same day if that tells you anything..I found the timing quite ironic to say the least!

yeah, I noticed that too!   ::MonkeyWink::

That should answer Janet's question from that time period!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:43:20 PM
johann555

Post uw bewijs dat Dave Holloway heeft niet het bewijs / informatie


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:43:36 PM
COME ON JOHANN555 ------------- MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS!

Keepthefaith, klaasend, Lifesong, Anna, texasmom, Tamikosmom, johan555, Magnolia, San, 2NJSons_Mom, Rob, rjdeer, wreck and 23 Guests are viewing this topic.


ALL THESE PEOPLE AND YOU WON'T ANSWER JOHAN555???????????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:43:42 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


The last time i was aware of HotShot stopping in was,shortly before ldstlou was banned!Exact same day if that tells you anything..I found the timing quite ironic to say the least!

yeah, I noticed that too!   ::MonkeyWink::

That should answer Janet's question from that time period!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

What question?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
Johan, your true colors have never shown more than right now. 

Are you afraid to post your proof or are you waiting on instructions from *******?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 05:46:08 PM
Hotshot was banned the same day as ldstlou was, that's why they both stopped coming by at the same time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:46:18 PM
Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir


The last time i was aware of HotShot stopping in was,shortly before ldstlou was banned!Exact same day if that tells you anything..I found the timing quite ironic to say the least!

yeah, I noticed that too!   ::MonkeyWink::

That should answer Janet's question from that time period!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

What question?

Janet

It was a question pertaining to the irony of Ldstlou coming in that day and doing what she did!HotShot had signed in about an hr IIRC before ldstlou got banned...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 05:46:32 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:47:26 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:47:38 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:49:08 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 05:52:23 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 05:53:47 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 08, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

that really is Hinky  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/th07a35ab8.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 05:57:08 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::
        ::MonkeyDance::      ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 05:57:23 PM
What i have trouble with is Johan lacks the capability to answer the simplest question! ::MonkeyEek::

i asked Kermit only 1 simple question  ::MonkeyWink::

johann how tall are you?

how long is your nose Kermit?





 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:01:05 PM
(http://www.blog.vdebate.org/uploaded_images/pinocho-741993.jpg)

johann555 accued Kermit of lying and that Dave Holloway did not have the evidence/information about the trap/cage.

johann555 does not have any proof.


MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:01:40 PM
(http://www.blog.vdebate.org/uploaded_images/pinocho-741993.jpg)

johann555 accued Kermit of lying and that Dave Holloway did not have the evidence/information about the trap/cage.

johann555 does not have any proof.


[b]MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS[/b]



Johan555 has left the building... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Greetings/81yub1e.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 06:02:51 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::
        ::MonkeyDance::      ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

WAITING

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Duck.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

I think Nut44X4 & MuffyBee have posted them.  Here are a couple:

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)     
(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/7.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
FYI

Johan has not been banned YET.  Also, Kyle has never been banned.  I am leaving the door open for both of them since we are waiting on answers from both of them.
  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 06:04:05 PM

Hey Johan,

Don't you think it would have been better all around if the heads of ATA/AHATA had employed smart enough (or humane enough) people to realize that at the very, very least Natalee would have to come home?

I wonder why the great Aruban Tourism geniuses didn't demand that Natalee's remains be returned to her mother and father...wonder what they did demand for taking on this horrific task? 

Hmm...maybe...a new port and 2 new 5-star hotels?

Sounds about right...idiots.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:04:18 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

I think Nut44X4 & MuffyBee have posted them.  Here are a couple:

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)     
(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/7.gif)



 ::MonkeyDance:: Thanx 2nj! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:04:35 PM
(http://www.blog.vdebate.org/uploaded_images/pinocho-741993.jpg)

johann555 accued Kermit of lying and that Dave Holloway did not have the evidence/information about the trap/cage.

johann555 does not have any proof.


[b]MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS[/b]



Johan555 has left the building... ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/churchlady.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
Come on Johann, bring it...PROOF that is...I really need to go to the store!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Maybe he's

(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)

I am behind in reading.  This is FUNNY.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:05:13 PM
One of you Mods had the Hour-Glass or the Tick-tock clock!!!

To pass the time ... I would be honored if Monkey would all join me in the latest craze.  It is referred to as The Hinky.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Greetings/81yub1e.gif)


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 06:05:46 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 08, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
This is about Natalee.  I say forget another water search.  Post the locations of all the targets, on all the scuba diving sites.  Lets rule out the other 200?.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 06:09:07 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



He also didn't answer your question who 'they' are...referring to the story he believes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:10:22 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !


Behavior is truth. You have no proof and the way I know that is because I DO HAVE PROOF that Dave Holloway has the evidence/information. But you are choosing to believe LIES told to you and that shows your character. The fact that you accused me of lying and then you ran off like a pussy when I confronted you also demonstrates your character. Then add in the hermit crab crap you tried to pass off and the dutch article. ALL are indicators that you have no character that anyone can trust.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 06:10:56 PM
KFT,

I think I am beginning to see a pattern emerge.  It goes something like this:

1.  Attack and attempt a complete character assassination on poster whose posts you don't like or don't fit your agenda.

2.  Make a complete fool of yourself then show your rear end.

3.  Run!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 06:12:35 PM
This is about Natalee.  I say forget another water search.  Post the locations of all the targets, on all the scuba diving sites.  Lets rule out the other 200?.

I agree!

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 06:12:55 PM
(http://www.blog.vdebate.org/uploaded_images/pinocho-741993.jpg)

johann555 accued Kermit of lying and that Dave Holloway did not have the evidence/information about the trap/cage.

johann555 does not have any proof.


MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS



These people NEVER give up.  Oh the shame of them all.  Take  on Kermit and you have us ALL to deal with.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:13:45 PM
KFT,

I think I am beginning to see a pattern emerge.  It goes something like this:

1.  Attack and attempt a complete character assassination on poster whose posts you don't like or don't fit your agenda.

2.  Make a complete fool of yourself then show your rear end.

3.  Run!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


That is funny Anna!How embarrassing for those that choose that path!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
KFT,

I think I am beginning to see a pattern emerge.  It goes something like this:

1.  Attack and attempt a complete character assassination on poster whose posts you don't like or don't fit your agenda.

2.  Make a complete fool of yourself then show your rear end.

3.  Run!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



You forgot one Anna, between 2 and 3....Accuse everyone who responds to you, of attacking you. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



That is what it is all about Anna, thank you for bringing that up.

This is not about kermit. This is about ARUBAN'S COVERED-UP THE REMAINS INSIDE THAT TRAP!

Where is the outrage!

Why isn't johann555 contacting HIS GOVERNMENT!
Why isn't johann555 spending his time and energy contacting DUTCH AUTHORITIES and DEMANDING JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps johann555 is protecting Aruba with his false and malicious lies.









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 06:15:23 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



He also didn't answer your question who 'they' are...referring to the story he believes.


I guess some people think they are entitled to only ASK questions of others without ever answering any of their own. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:16:32 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



That is what it is all about Anna, thank you for bringing that up.

This is not about kermit. This is about ARUBAN'S COVERED-UP THE REMAINS INSIDE THAT TRAP!

Where is the outrage!

Why isn't johann555 contacting HIS GOVERNMENT!
Why isn't johann555 spending his time and energy contacting DUTCH AUTHORITIES and DEMANDING JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps johann555 is protecting Aruba  with his false and malicious lies.









There you have it in my opinion!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 06:16:44 PM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!


Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !


Behavior is truth. You have no proof and the way I know that is because I DO HAVE PROOF that Dave Holloway has the evidence/information. But you are choosing to believe LIES told to you and that shows your character. The fact that you accused me of lying and then you ran off like a pussy when I confronted you also demonstrates your character. Then add in the hermit crab crap you tried to pass off and the dutch article. ALL are indicators that you have no character that anyone can trust.



Wonder what newspaper Johan works for?  Explains why that article appeared in that ONE Dutch paper only.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
KFT,

I think I am beginning to see a pattern emerge.  It goes something like this:

1.  Attack and attempt a complete character assassination on poster whose posts you don't like or don't fit your agenda.

2.  Make a complete fool of yourself then show your rear end.

3.  Run!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


That is funny Anna!How embarrassing for those that choose that path!

This doesn't quite fit, but it's pretty close.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://bestsmileys.com/scared/8.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
KFT,

I think I am beginning to see a pattern emerge.  It goes something like this:

1.  Attack and attempt a complete character assassination on poster whose posts you don't like or don't fit your agenda.

2.  Make a complete fool of yourself then show your rear end.

3.  Run!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



You forgot one Anna, between 2 and 3....Accuse everyone who responds to you, of attacking you. ::MonkeyWink::

You are so right!  And sprinkle in a few false accusations of bashing any and everything especially when it was never done!

Add as much high drama as possible!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
Must be a slow day in the Chat Forums.  They are slowly running out of people to send here to disrupt and throw out their character assassinations.  And still not one has been able to provide any proof that Kyle DID NOT say any of these things.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:21:09 PM
KFT,

I think I am beginning to see a pattern emerge.  It goes something like this:

1.  Attack and attempt a complete character assassination on poster whose posts you don't like or don't fit your agenda.

2.  Make a complete fool of yourself then show your rear end.

3.  Run!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



You forgot one Anna, between 2 and 3....Accuse everyone who responds to you, of attacking you. ::MonkeyWink::

You are so right!  And sprinkle in a few false accusations of bashing any and everything especially when it was never done!

Add as much high drama as possible!

Exactly!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:21:14 PM
did ya notice the pattern?

mafia controlled
AHTA influence
Dutch Prosecutor's with agendas and it ain't to bring justice
Donation money
Silvetti/Schaefer OIL & vessels oh my
Lawsuits/investors/Petrobras/switch assets and MONEY
accuse and twist faster then chubby checker




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
Kermit,

Regarding the Gulf Diver IV....I couldn't find a buyer, either.  If Legacy Offshore didn't buy it, maybe JP Morgan Chase still has it.  I found it listed for sale on a pdf on www.marcon.com but nothing as final.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 06:23:06 PM
did ya notice the pattern?

mafia controlled
AHTA influence
Dutch Prosecutor's with agendas and it ain't to bring justice
Donation money
Silvetti/Schaefer OIL & vessels oh my
Lawsuits/investors/Petrobras/switch assets and MONEY
accuse and twist faster then chubby checker




Follow the money.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 06:23:47 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Froggotyourtongue.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 08, 2009, 06:25:00 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Froggotyourtongue.jpg)


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



That is what it is all about Anna, thank you for bringing that up.

This is not about kermit. This is about ARUBAN'S COVERED-UP THE REMAINS INSIDE THAT TRAP!

Where is the outrage!

Why isn't johann555 contacting HIS GOVERNMENT!
Why isn't johann555 spending his time and energy contacting DUTCH AUTHORITIES and DEMANDING JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps johann555 is protecting Aruba with his false and malicious lies.


I know beyond a doubt if there was a possibility that the remains of Johann's beloved was in the trap ... he would not be attacking the messenger who exposed John Silvetti affording the chain of custody to the enemy whose agenda has been to deny justice from the getgo.

Those who are upholdING John Silvetti ... PLEASE read Kyle Kingman's words very carefully and ... then put yourself in the place of Natalee Holloway's parents.

Janet

++++++

THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
Bastibro!Just in time.......... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 06:26:33 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Froggotyourtongue.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:27:39 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



That is what it is all about Anna, thank you for bringing that up.

This is not about kermit. This is about ARUBAN'S COVERED-UP THE REMAINS INSIDE THAT TRAP!

Where is the outrage!

Why isn't johann555 contacting HIS GOVERNMENT!
Why isn't johann555 spending his time and energy contacting DUTCH AUTHORITIES and DEMANDING JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps johann555 is protecting Aruba with his false and malicious lies.


I know beyond a doubt if there was a possibility that the remains of Johann's beloved was in the trap ... he would not be attacking the messenger who exposed John Silvetti affording the chain of custody to the enemy whose agenda has been to deny justice from the getgo.

Those who are upholdING John Silvetti ... PLEASE read Kyle Kingman's words very carefully and ... then put yourself in the place of Natalee Holloway's parents.

Janet

++++++

THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0


 

Thank you Janet!

I find it appalling,for anyone,to not be angry at what transpired in the waters off the coast of Aruba!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:28:11 PM
Bastibro!Just in time.......... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Tag team, but watch....he'll act like he has no idea what's been happenin'!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 06:29:08 PM
Bastibro!Just in time.......... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Tag team!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Bastibro!Just in time.......... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Oh....I bet that bastibro brought the proof for Johan. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:29:32 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



That is what it is all about Anna, thank you for bringing that up.

This is not about kermit. This is about ARUBAN'S COVERED-UP THE REMAINS INSIDE THAT TRAP!

Where is the outrage!

Why isn't johann555 contacting HIS GOVERNMENT!
Why isn't johann555 spending his time and energy contacting DUTCH AUTHORITIES and DEMANDING JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps johann555 is protecting Aruba with his false and malicious lies.


I know beyond a doubt if there was a possibility that the remains of Johann's beloved was in the trap ... he would not be attacking the messenger who exposed John Silvetti affording the chain of custody to the enemy whose agenda has been to deny justice from the getgo.

Those who are upholdING John Silvetti ... PLEASE read Kyle Kingman's words very carefully and ... then put yourself in the place of Natalee Holloway's parents.

Janet

++++++

THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0


 

Amen!  Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:32:24 PM
Just look in the rafters..Timing ehhh... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:32:48 PM

What's the matter, Johan?  Got a frog in your throat?   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Frog got your tongue?

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/photo_777/Froggotyourtongue.jpg)

Too funny!  Thanks Sleuth!  
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:33:44 PM
Just look in the rafters..Timing ehhh... ::MonkeyWink::

Keepthefaith, bastibro, Kermit, texasmom, klaasend, Debbie, rjdeer, Sleuth, Magnolia, can, Anna, Lifesong, Tamikosmom, johan555, Edward, 2NJSons_Mom, kkate, Blue Moon, SurfCity, Buckeye


Oh the timing is impeccable isn't it! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
We are all waiting johann555 for you to prove that Dave Holloway specifically told you that kermit did not give him the evidence/information that you have accused me of not doing and lying about.





I am also waiting for the dates of this new search and that Dave Holloway is just all right with what could be his daughter's remains being handed over exclusively to ALE as was done last time.



That is what it is all about Anna, thank you for bringing that up.

This is not about kermit. This is about ARUBAN'S COVERED-UP THE REMAINS INSIDE THAT TRAP!

Where is the outrage!

Why isn't johann555 contacting HIS GOVERNMENT!
Why isn't johann555 spending his time and energy contacting DUTCH AUTHORITIES and DEMANDING JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway.
Perhaps johann555 is protecting Aruba with his false and malicious lies.


I know beyond a doubt if there was a possibility that the remains of Johann's beloved was in the trap ... he would not be attacking the messenger who exposed John Silvetti affording the chain of custody to the enemy whose agenda has been to deny justice from the getgo.

Those who are upholdING John Silvetti ... PLEASE read Kyle Kingman's words very carefully and ... then put yourself in the place of Natalee Holloway's parents.

Janet

++++++

THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0


 

Thank you Janet!

I find it appalling,for anyone,to not be angry at what transpired in the waters off the coast of Aruba!

Keepthefaith ... it is like I am in the Twilight Zone.  I cannot comprehend why some Monkeys ... some Freebird Monkeys ... do not get it.  Those I am referring to have stood behind justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family from way back.  Countless hours of effort has been spend researching the corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice of prevailing.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 06:35:30 PM

Johan got so flustered he forgot to post his old picture with a new caption but no link.

I have come to the conclusion that Johan must not have children. 

He's playing immature games, while another sun will set on Beth and Dave still not knowing where their precious Natalee is, and without the ounce of peace that would come from being able to lay her to rest.

Johan does not get it.

JMO and only MO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:35:31 PM
COME ON JOHANN555 ------------- MAKE ME POST THE SUCKERS!

We're all here Johan555.You brought your friends so put up or shut up!!What's it gonna be?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 06:35:37 PM
IF - they are planning a new search then why haven't they asked for donations?

IF - they are planning a new search then why hasn't it been published in the USA?  Why only one Dutch article?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:36:46 PM
Kermit, Debbie, can, Keepthefaith, klaasend, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, texasmom, bastibro, rjdeer, Sleuth, Magnolia, Anna, Lifesong, johan555, Edward, 2NJSons_Mom, kkate, SurfCity, Buckeye and 24 Guests are viewing this topic.

MAKE ME POST THE SUCKER JOHANN555 - show your proof that Dave Holloway does not have the information like you said



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 06:38:33 PM
22 guests, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:39:36 PM
22 guests, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

With an Admin from another blog??No?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 06:40:11 PM
IF - they are planning a new search then why haven't they asked for donations?

IF - they are planning a new search then why hasn't it been published in the USA?  Why only one Dutch article?



Would be very interesting to know how that one Dutch newspaper got that story.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
22 guests, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


22 guests = 21 guests + He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named

 ::MonkeyTongue::

run amuck     run amuck     run amuck    run amuck     run amuck     run amuck


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 06:42:21 PM
IF - they are planning a new search then why haven't they asked for donations?

IF - they are planning a new search then why hasn't it been published in the USA?  Why only one Dutch article?



Would be very interesting to know how that one Dutch newspaper got that story.   ::MonkeyCool::

This is a respected publication but we don't know what their source was:

http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 08, 2009, 06:45:22 PM
did ya notice the pattern?

mafia controlled
AHTA influence
Dutch Prosecutor's with agendas and it ain't to bring justice
Donation money
Silvetti/Schaefer OIL & vessels oh my
Lawsuits/investors/Petrobras/switch assets and MONEY
accuse and twist faster then chubby checker




I did notice, and have noticed the whole time.

1.Mafia controlled Aruba, fully involved in Drugs,smuggling, corruption, gambling, drugs, prostitution, murders hidden as suicides.
2. Silvetti with a agenda in oil exploration, But he did include Natalee. It appears to actually be designed to bleed donation money away from the Holloway group while accomplishing the first agenda of mapping the ocean floor for Aruba.
This would be the business people and politicians on Aruba that would like to see Dave Holloway crippled in any further search attempts.
3. OIL is a dirty business, full of corruption and mafia type people. U.S. and Russian oil is riddled with it. Oil industry is connected to almost everything from car manufacturing to teachers unions to insurance companies and hotels and gambling and the list goes on and on.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 06:47:27 PM
did ya notice the pattern?

mafia controlled
AHTA influence
Dutch Prosecutor's with agendas and it ain't to bring justice
Donation money
Silvetti/Schaefer OIL & vessels oh my
Lawsuits/investors/Petrobras/switch assets and MONEY
accuse and twist faster then chubby checker




I did notice, and have noticed the whole time.

1.Mafia controlled Aruba, fully involved in Drugs,smuggling, corruption, gambling, drugs, prostitution, murders hidden as suicides.
2. Silvetti with a agenda in oil exploration, But he did include Natalee. It appears to actually be designed to bleed donation money away from the Holloway group while accomplishing the first agenda of mapping the ocean floor for Aruba.
This would be the business people and politicians on Aruba that would like to see Dave Holloway crippled in any further search attempts.
3. OIL is a dirty business, full of corruption and mafia type people. U.S. and Russian oil is riddled with it. Oil industry is connected to almost everything from car manufacturing to teachers unions to insurance companies and hotels and gambling and the list goes on and on.
 

Teachers unions investing in oil companies.
Amazing.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 06:48:23 PM
Johan,  you think that everyone is attacking you, but I recall many monkeys patiently answering your questions, many of which were ones that had been discussed years ago.  Anyone challenging you is simply because you do not recriprocate when you are asked a question.

It is only fair that KTF receives an answer to a simple question.

Kermit has never brought information that can not be backed up.  To me, that says a lot. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:54:08 PM
Not it!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 06:54:35 PM
The so-called search for Natalee Holloway's remains following the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive was nothing but a smokescreen to direct attention away from the trap and ... give the deceptive impression that it held nothing case related.

John Silvetti had determine that there was nothing case related in that trap prior to the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive.  He never put any faith in his very own on board professional ROV analyst.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap. I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day. I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at. My heart broke for Dave and Beth.  Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th. I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti. In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
Rob - thank you for the call to TJ Ward.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
Rob - thank you for the call to TJ Ward.

AMEN..As well,i love the posts Rob..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: can on March 08, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
Klaas - o/t - Boo posted in Prayer requests that Dolce was taken to emergency this afternoon with pains in her side and lower abdomen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 07:02:42 PM
Johannnnnnnn,johannnnnnnn,ohhhh johannnnnnnn...WE ARE ALL PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE PROOF......... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 07:05:45 PM
Klaas - o/t - Boo posted in Prayer requests that Dolce was taken to emergency this afternoon with pains in her side and lower abdomen.

Hi Can - thanks..I did see it and I guess the babies are OK, it was posted in Musings.  Also, I started a thread for Dolce in the Monkey Lounge.  I think she's OK.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: can on March 08, 2009, 07:07:54 PM
Klaas - o/t - Boo posted in Prayer requests that Dolce was taken to emergency this afternoon with pains in her side and lower abdomen.

Hi Can - thanks..I did see it and I guess the babies are OK, it was posted in Musings.  Also, I started a thread for Dolce in the Monkey Lounge.  I think she's OK.
Oh...thank goodness Klaas!  Thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 07:08:52 PM
If after reading Kyle Kingman's own words and observing the ROV images ... Tim Miller and Dave Holloway join up with John Silvetti to continue the search in Aruban waters for Natalee's remains ... I am done and ... I mean it.  If Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan are participants in the scenario ... I will scream.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 07:10:58 PM
Johannnnnnnn,johannnnnnnn,ohhhh johannnnnnnn...WE ARE ALL PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE PROOF......... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think he choked and Voldemort ******** demoted him back to copy 'n paste!

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDance:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 07:11:33 PM
If after reading Kyle Kingman's own words and observing the ROV images ... Tim Miller and Dave Holloway join up with John Silvetti to continue the search in Aruban waters for Natalee's remains ... I am done and ... I mean it.  If Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan are participants in the scenario ... I will scream.

Janet

If Dave and Tim are aware and do a search i'd feel the same way!If Tim Miller is completely and,fully aware of what transpired out in them waters,i don't understand how he coexists with these people??Are there not other people able to help in his searches??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 07:15:55 PM
If after reading Kyle Kingman's own words and observing the ROV images ... Tim Miller and Dave Holloway join up with John Silvetti to continue the search in Aruban waters for Natalee's remains ... I am done and ... I mean it.  If Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan are participants in the scenario ... I will scream.

Janet

If Dave and Tim are aware and do a search i'd feel the same way!If Tim Miller is completely and,fully aware of what transpired out in them waters,i don't understand how he coexists with these people??Are there not other people able to help in his searches??

My sentiments exactly.

I will now tippy toe away ....

(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)
[/quote]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 07:18:19 PM
If after reading Kyle Kingman's own words and observing the ROV images ... Tim Miller and Dave Holloway join up with John Silvetti to continue the search in Aruban waters for Natalee's remains ... I am done and ... I mean it.  If Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan are participants in the scenario ... I will scream.

Janet

If Dave and Tim are aware and do a search i'd feel the same way!If Tim Miller is completely and,fully aware of what transpired out in them waters,i don't understand how he coexists with these people??Are there not other people able to help in his searches??

My sentiments exactly.

I will now tippy toe away ....

(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)

[/quote]

All i want is the TRUTH,no matter where that takes me.PERIOD....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 07:27:41 PM
did ya notice the pattern?

mafia controlled
AHTA influence
Dutch Prosecutor's with agendas and it ain't to bring justice
Donation money
Silvetti/Schaefer OIL & vessels oh my
Lawsuits/investors/Petrobras/switch assets and MONEY
accuse and twist faster then chubby checker




I did notice, and have noticed the whole time.

1.Mafia controlled Aruba, fully involved in Drugs,smuggling, corruption, gambling, drugs, prostitution, murders hidden as suicides.
2. Silvetti with a agenda in oil exploration, But he did include Natalee. It appears to actually be designed to bleed donation money away from the Holloway group while accomplishing the first agenda of mapping the ocean floor for Aruba.
This would be the business people and politicians on Aruba that would like to see Dave Holloway crippled in any further search attempts.3. OIL is a dirty business, full of corruption and mafia type people. U.S. and Russian oil is riddled with it. Oil industry is connected to almost everything from car manufacturing to teachers unions to insurance companies and hotels and gambling and the list goes on and on.
 

BINGO!!

... and Dave Holloway and Tim Miller do not get it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wish Private Eye would have a one on one with each of these men and ... try to convince them that a positive outcome when joining forces with the enemy is not going to happen.

Janet

++++++

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.

... What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 07:27:55 PM
Hey Bastibro.Can you email Johan and ask him if we're done and we can go back to our research?TIA..Again.Johan started the party,called out Kermit,Kermit came,Responded,Johan left,and here we are!Back to the research... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 07:30:31 PM
Hey Bastibro.Can you email Johan and ask him if we're done and we can go back to our research?TIA..Again.Johan started the party,called out Kermit,Kermit came,Responded,Johan left,and here we are!Back to the research... ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 07:30:41 PM
Johannnnnnnn,johannnnnnnn,ohhhh johannnnnnnn...WE ARE ALL PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE PROOF......... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think he choked and Voldemort ******** demoted him back to copy 'n paste!

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDance:: 


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Dugga fixed the error!  Thanks Dugga!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 08:05:01 PM
Had some problems klaas. ::MonkeyCool:: Soemthing with the template!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: KYcat on March 08, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
Did anybody else get kicked off???

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
Dugga fixed the error!  Thanks Dugga!

Thanks Dugga! ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
YES - the forum was down do to a Template Parse Error for a little bit but Dugga fixed it.  Has something to do with something Dugga was working on that cause the problem     ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 08:09:59 PM
Did anybody else get kicked off???

 ::MonkeyEek::

Yes!   ::MonkeyWaa::

But we're BACK!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 08:12:28 PM
Just before we went down I was getting ready to post this.  This is why I really don't worry too much about people stomping off or getting banned, we are plenty busy in this forum.  I'm sure it's quite boring at CnG these days :


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/cngtraffic.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/smtraffic.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 08:14:08 PM
Also, since we were down I took the time to pick up another one of BB's photos posted at GM.  See Freddy in the background (I highlighted to make it easier to see)? 


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Frog_288.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 08:18:36 PM
Just before we went down I was getting ready to post this.  This is why I really don't worry too much about people stomping off or getting banned, we are plenty busy in this forum.  I'm sure it's quite boring at CnG these days :


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/cngtraffic.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/smtraffic.jpg)



That is sorta pitiful! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 08:20:30 PM
Just before we went down I was getting ready to post this.  This is why I really don't worry too much about people stomping off or getting banned, we are plenty busy in this forum.  I'm sure it's quite boring at CnG these days :


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/cngtraffic.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/smtraffic.jpg)



That is sorta pitiful! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes it is!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 08:26:46 PM


12/30/2007NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  "Dave was involved with the search until the 30th of Dec from an information-only level. I don't know if he knows anything about the blue denim-like fabric and have no reason to suspect that he does. I would say he knows as much as Beth, perhaps slightly more. It's time Beth knows what the truth is about that trap"

NEW
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/):  “He [John Silvetti]  says Mos is inept and treated like a mushroom."


I thought these two quotes were interesting.  The first because I think its quite telling how Dave Holloway was treated.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  The second because I think it has Dolph Richardson written all over it. 

JMO and only MO


Very telling..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 08:54:18 PM
Thank you all for waiting until I finished my dinner.

OK ... what are we going to discuss?

Janet
5:55 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
Tap Tap Tap


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 08:59:14 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7475/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1.stories.news.2009.march.march8.yatehorta.P1015413.JPG)

cuatro mericano deteni y yacht raising the bar steal at merca confisca

sunday, 08 march 2009 - 18:57

one investigacion deep owing to conduci at cuatro detencion y confiscacion of one yacht enough deluxe cu have stop actualmente at seaport navy. seems cu one person owing to arrive at keep of police y tell cu the yacht raising the bar stop at seaport navy owing to being steal at florida. the is of fort lauderdale según the informe cu 24ora.com owing to succeed compila. police maritimo of aruba owing to achieve visit of the denunciante mericano y owing to base of investigacion haci at merca together contactonan cu guarda costa mericano they owing to succeed via ministerio publico give orden of detencion at all cuatro tripulante abordo. guarda costa mericano owing to tell autoridad of aruba cu the yacht is steal. the investigacion is andando y do not conoci if the yacht will wordo let pound for his owner self can bay cune. click read more for more imagen... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
"Big moves in the North Sea have become multi-million dollar operations."
<snip>
LR-Fairplay's Daily Newbuilding News says Brazils shipbuilding industry has been given a 'significant boost' with an announcement by state oil giant Petrobras that it needs as many as 100 offshore oil and gas support vessles."
<snip>
Superior Offshore International has closed the sale of platform support vessel "Gulf Diver V" and selected on board diving equipment to Legacy Offshore for US$ 4 million. The "Gulf Diver V" (ex-Salam River, ex-San Patricio, ex-Andrea Martin) is a 1974 Halter Marine built OSV and twin EMD 8-645E2 main engines producing 1, 950BHP.

Under the purchase agreement, Superior Offshore has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment for the same price on Oct. 1, 2008.

<snip>

Under the agreement Superior has agreed to sell a Kobelco CK 1600-2 crane located at the company's fabrication facility in Amelia, LA, and the 168-foot by 38 foot DSV
"Gulf Diver IV".

 DID WE FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THE SALE OF SUPERIOR OFFSHORE'S GULF DIVER IV?

<snip>
StatoilHydro has issued a Letter of Intent to Farstad Shipping ASA for a long-term charter contract for its'\platform suppy vessel (UT751 DC) under construction at Aker Yards Brevik."
<snip>
StatoilHydro is a major and important customer for Farstad Shipping. This contract further strengthens the company's  position as a long-term supplier for StatoilHydro.
<snip>
OF the 752 OSVs (Offshore Supply Vessels) under construction, China leads the orderbook with a total of 139 OSVs being built.
They are followed by the U.S. at 77, then Iddia and Singapore at 75 OSVs each under construction...."
<snip>
Subsea 7 Inc. says it has recently signed a contract for the construction of a new-build pipe lay and construction vessel. The overall project cost is in the region of US$ 190 million and is based on a fixed prices from the Merwede shipyard.
<snip>
Subsea 7 CEO Mel Fizgerald, stated: "We have invested in excess of US$ 1 billion in new vessels and equipment between 2006 and 2008.
<snip>
AKER Yards has clinched a contract from Norwegian ship owner DOF to build its frist platform supply vessel to be fuleled by liquefied natural gas.
<snip>
The Aker PSV 06 LNG design vessel will be owned by DOF and chartered to state energy group Statoilhydro to supply its offshore oil and gas production platforms in the North Sea and Norwegian Sea."
<snip>

CORPORATE NEWS
about Superior Offshore
H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a directior and as its chief restructuring officer.

<snip>
Lovett is the only executive officer of the company. Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Lovett, has been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to Suerior Offshore, receiving an initial retainer of US$150,000.
www.marcon.com/library/market_reports/2008/SU/SU04-08.pdf


In that article above this Hornbeck Offshore is HUGE. And I noticed this mentioned about Subsea 7, plus Helix was Cal Dive and became Helix in a name change.

Subsea 7
Hornbeck Offshore Services
Seaway Heavy Lifting
Helix Energy Solutions
Sealion Shipping Limited
Solstad AS
Global Marine Systems
Smit
http://www.merwede.com/index.php?id=2547

REMEMBER GEOLAB CHANGED THE NAME FROM GEOLAB SILVETTI TO GEOLAB LLC:
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


GeoLab
Middle-East Branch
<snip>
Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.http://tinyurl.com/cbmdx8

SUBSEA 7 INC. announced a contract award by Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras) for its pipelay vessel Kommandor 3000. The contract, with a value in the region of US $250 million, is for the exclusive use of the Kommandor 3000 for a period of six years commencing in February 2007.
http://www.ibiblio.org/maritime/photolibrary/albums/ftp/PDF/10_06/208-22-10-2006.pdf

Here's the organizational chart for subsea7 LifeSong!
http://www.subsea7.com/cms/files/Global%20Management%20Team.pdf


BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:03:53 PM
Evidently some think that if Kermit can be discredited, it will magically change what Kyle Kingman posted.

Not sure how that would work.

It's not about Kermit or even Dave but were remains in the trap and if so whose and why we don't know one way or the other now.


Yes, and it isn't just Kermit. Quite a few people saw and heard kyle's words from my understanding.



Yes, and many posts were right here at SM and PI responded to them here as well.  This is not about kermit at all but what Kyle had to say about what happened onboard during the search and who was granted exclusive access to the results of the search.




Kyle = nitwit traitor - case closed.
Silvetti = future inmate - God willing.
Shaefer = bunk muffin to Silvetti - Liberachi willing.
Trahan = can't swim his way outta a bath tub - juss useless totally useless. I hope this guy gets the Jesus Juice treatment from Michael Jackson.

What say you Persistence???? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 09:04:55 PM
Going through some old pics from this site.  Looks like this photo of Geoff and Angelina was taken at a June 2006 singles event:

http://www.thesingles-company.com/viewer/pictures.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/GeoffAngelina2006.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:08:31 PM
Klaas.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Pictionary might bring johan555 out! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2009, 09:08:53 PM
Good evening Magnolia, Sleuth, Keepthefaith, San, Ree, Kathya0427 and 19 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 09:10:59 PM
Hey Bastibro.Can you email Johan and ask him if we're done and we can go back to our research?TIA..Again.Johan started the party,called out Kermit,Kermit came,Responded,Johan left,and here we are!Back to the research... ::MonkeyCool::

johann555 has no balls.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 09:11:03 PM
Going through some old pics from this site.  Looks like this photo of Geoff and Angelina was taken at a June 2006 singles event:

http://www.thesingles-company.com/viewer/pictures.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/GeoffAngelina2006.jpg)

Is that his Mom?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:11:10 PM
Good evening Magnolia, Sleuth, Keepthefaith, San, Ree, Kathya0427 and 19 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::

Good evening MuffyBee..You just BUZZZZZZZING through the forum? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:13:23 PM
Hey Bastibro.Can you email Johan and ask him if we're done and we can go back to our research?TIA..Again.Johan started the party,called out Kermit,Kermit came,Responded,Johan left,and here we are!Back to the research... ::MonkeyCool::

johann555 has no balls.



Kermit.Just got done re-reading your post i brought forward.Don't forget GeoLab srl gave a three contract to Veripos which is a subsidiary of SubSea 7.don't know when it is but does show that they do know,as well as conduct business with each other!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2009, 09:14:25 PM
Good evening Magnolia, Sleuth, Keepthefaith, San, Ree, Kathya0427 and 19 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::

Good evening MuffyBee..You just BUZZZZZZZING through the forum? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, just buzzin' by here (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 09:15:54 PM
Good evening Magnolia, Sleuth, Keepthefaith, San, Ree, Kathya0427 and 19 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::

Good evening, MuffyMyFavoriteBee :-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:17:09 PM
"Big moves in the North Sea have become multi-million dollar operations."
<snip>
LR-Fairplay's Daily Newbuilding News says Brazils shipbuilding industry has been given a 'significant boost' with an announcement by state oil giant Petrobras that it needs as many as 100 offshore oil and gas support vessles."
<snip>
Superior Offshore International has closed the sale of platform support vessel "Gulf Diver V" and selected on board diving equipment to Legacy Offshore for US$ 4 million. The "Gulf Diver V" (ex-Salam River, ex-San Patricio, ex-Andrea Martin) is a 1974 Halter Marine built OSV and twin EMD 8-645E2 main engines producing 1, 950BHP.

Under the purchase agreement, Superior Offshore has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment for the same price on Oct. 1, 2008.

<snip>

Under the agreement Superior has agreed to sell a Kobelco CK 1600-2 crane located at the company's fabrication facility in Amelia, LA, and the 168-foot by 38 foot DSV
"Gulf Diver IV".

 DID WE FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THE SALE OF SUPERIOR OFFSHORE'S GULF DIVER IV?

<snip>
StatoilHydro has issued a Letter of Intent to Farstad Shipping ASA for a long-term charter contract for its'\platform suppy vessel (UT751 DC) under construction at Aker Yards Brevik."
<snip>
StatoilHydro is a major and important customer for Farstad Shipping. This contract further strengthens the company's  position as a long-term supplier for StatoilHydro.
<snip>
OF the 752 OSVs (Offshore Supply Vessels) under construction, China leads the orderbook with a total of 139 OSVs being built.
They are followed by the U.S. at 77, then Iddia and Singapore at 75 OSVs each under construction...."
<snip>
Subsea 7 Inc. says it has recently signed a contract for the construction of a new-build pipe lay and construction vessel. The overall project cost is in the region of US$ 190 million and is based on a fixed prices from the Merwede shipyard.
<snip>
Subsea 7 CEO Mel Fizgerald, stated: "We have invested in excess of US$ 1 billion in new vessels and equipment between 2006 and 2008.
<snip>
AKER Yards has clinched a contract from Norwegian ship owner DOF to build its frist platform supply vessel to be fuleled by liquefied natural gas.
<snip>
The Aker PSV 06 LNG design vessel will be owned by DOF and chartered to state energy group Statoilhydro to supply its offshore oil and gas production platforms in the North Sea and Norwegian Sea."
<snip>

CORPORATE NEWS
about Superior Offshore
H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a directior and as its chief restructuring officer.

<snip>
Lovett is the only executive officer of the company. Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Lovett, has been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to Suerior Offshore, receiving an initial retainer of US$150,000.
www.marcon.com/library/market_reports/2008/SU/SU04-08.pdf


In that article above this Hornbeck Offshore is HUGE. And I noticed this mentioned about Subsea 7, plus Helix was Cal Dive and became Helix in a name change.

Subsea 7
Hornbeck Offshore Services
Seaway Heavy Lifting
Helix Energy Solutions
Sealion Shipping Limited
Solstad AS
Global Marine Systems
Smit
http://www.merwede.com/index.php?id=2547

REMEMBER GEOLAB CHANGED THE NAME FROM GEOLAB SILVETTI TO GEOLAB LLC:
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


GeoLab
Middle-East Branch
<snip>
Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.http://tinyurl.com/cbmdx8

SUBSEA 7 INC. announced a contract award by Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras) for its pipelay vessel Kommandor 3000. The contract, with a value in the region of US $250 million, is for the exclusive use of the Kommandor 3000 for a period of six years commencing in February 2007.
http://www.ibiblio.org/maritime/photolibrary/albums/ftp/PDF/10_06/208-22-10-2006.pdf

Here's the organizational chart for subsea7 LifeSong!
http://www.subsea7.com/cms/files/Global%20Management%20Team.pdf


BUMP

Kermit..

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008   
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 


http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html

Was this GeoLab offering an appetizer for SubSea 7 or one of it's subsidiaries serving up the entree later on??Just a thought!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
Going through some old pics from this site.  Looks like this photo of Geoff and Angelina was taken at a June 2006 singles event:

http://www.thesingles-company.com/viewer/pictures.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/GeoffAngelina2006.jpg)

Is that his Mom?


No, but she looks old enough doesn't she!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

She was the part owner/manager (iirc) of the cybercafe where Deepak worked in 2005.  I don't know if she's still connected to them now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 09:17:47 PM
Considering the forum is so slow ... I put aside some time to read Lifesong's timeline.  It was a very worthwhile read.  Obviously ... a great deal of time and effort went into this compilation.

Thank you Lifesong.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 09:18:07 PM
Kermit - I'm not sure if anyone ever showed you this comparison, but I think it is hilarious....

BTW, I was on South Beach this afternoon and I think I saw you doing those cartweels on the beach today :-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 09:19:01 PM
Kermit - I'm not sure if anyone ever showed you this comparison, but I think it is hilarious....

BTW, I was on South Beach this afternoon and I think I saw you doing those cartweels on the beach today :-)

It would help to post the link....
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/27350111.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:22:30 PM
Kermit - I'm not sure if anyone ever showed you this comparison, but I think it is hilarious....

BTW, I was on South Beach this afternoon and I think I saw you doing those cartweels on the beach today :-)

It would help to post the link....
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/27350111.html


Thanks Slueth... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 09:23:19 PM
Good evening Magnolia, Sleuth, Keepthefaith, San, Ree, Kathya0427 and 19 Guests  ::MonkeyCool::

Hello, Muffy!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:23:29 PM
"Big moves in the North Sea have become multi-million dollar operations."
<snip>
LR-Fairplay's Daily Newbuilding News says Brazils shipbuilding industry has been given a 'significant boost' with an announcement by state oil giant Petrobras that it needs as many as 100 offshore oil and gas support vessles."
<snip>
Superior Offshore International has closed the sale of platform support vessel "Gulf Diver V" and selected on board diving equipment to Legacy Offshore for US$ 4 million. The "Gulf Diver V" (ex-Salam River, ex-San Patricio, ex-Andrea Martin) is a 1974 Halter Marine built OSV and twin EMD 8-645E2 main engines producing 1, 950BHP.

Under the purchase agreement, Superior Offshore has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment for the same price on Oct. 1, 2008.

<snip>

Under the agreement Superior has agreed to sell a Kobelco CK 1600-2 crane located at the company's fabrication facility in Amelia, LA, and the 168-foot by 38 foot DSV
"Gulf Diver IV".

 DID WE FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THE SALE OF SUPERIOR OFFSHORE'S GULF DIVER IV?

<snip>
StatoilHydro has issued a Letter of Intent to Farstad Shipping ASA for a long-term charter contract for its'\platform suppy vessel (UT751 DC) under construction at Aker Yards Brevik."
<snip>
StatoilHydro is a major and important customer for Farstad Shipping. This contract further strengthens the company's  position as a long-term supplier for StatoilHydro.
<snip>
OF the 752 OSVs (Offshore Supply Vessels) under construction, China leads the orderbook with a total of 139 OSVs being built.
They are followed by the U.S. at 77, then Iddia and Singapore at 75 OSVs each under construction...."
<snip>
Subsea 7 Inc. says it has recently signed a contract for the construction of a new-build pipe lay and construction vessel. The overall project cost is in the region of US$ 190 million and is based on a fixed prices from the Merwede shipyard.
<snip>
Subsea 7 CEO Mel Fizgerald, stated: "We have invested in excess of US$ 1 billion in new vessels and equipment between 2006 and 2008.
<snip>
AKER Yards has clinched a contract from Norwegian ship owner DOF to build its frist platform supply vessel to be fuleled by liquefied natural gas.
<snip>
The Aker PSV 06 LNG design vessel will be owned by DOF and chartered to state energy group Statoilhydro to supply its offshore oil and gas production platforms in the North Sea and Norwegian Sea."
<snip>

CORPORATE NEWS
about Superior Offshore
H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a directior and as its chief restructuring officer.

<snip>
Lovett is the only executive officer of the company. Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Lovett, has been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to Suerior Offshore, receiving an initial retainer of US$150,000.
www.marcon.com/library/market_reports/2008/SU/SU04-08.pdf


In that article above this Hornbeck Offshore is HUGE. And I noticed this mentioned about Subsea 7, plus Helix was Cal Dive and became Helix in a name change.

Subsea 7
Hornbeck Offshore Services
Seaway Heavy Lifting
Helix Energy Solutions
Sealion Shipping Limited
Solstad AS
Global Marine Systems
Smit
http://www.merwede.com/index.php?id=2547

REMEMBER GEOLAB CHANGED THE NAME FROM GEOLAB SILVETTI TO GEOLAB LLC:
GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.

http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2


GeoLab
Middle-East Branch
<snip>
Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.http://tinyurl.com/cbmdx8

SUBSEA 7 INC. announced a contract award by Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras) for its pipelay vessel Kommandor 3000. The contract, with a value in the region of US $250 million, is for the exclusive use of the Kommandor 3000 for a period of six years commencing in February 2007.
http://www.ibiblio.org/maritime/photolibrary/albums/ftp/PDF/10_06/208-22-10-2006.pdf

Here's the organizational chart for subsea7 LifeSong!
http://www.subsea7.com/cms/files/Global%20Management%20Team.pdf


BUMP

Kermit..

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008   
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 


http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html

Was this GeoLab offering an appetizer for SubSea 7 or one of it's subsidiaries with Sub sea 7 serving up the entree later on??Just a thought!





corrected


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 09:24:55 PM
Kermit - I'm not sure if anyone ever showed you this comparison, but I think it is hilarious....

BTW, I was on South Beach this afternoon and I think I saw you doing those cartweels on the beach today :-)

It would help to post the link....
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/27350111.html


Thanks Sleuth!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 09:26:18 PM
Monkeys...ignore the posts with that link.  I was only referring to the picture comparisons.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Monkeys...ignore the posts with that link.  I was only referring to the picture comparisons.

Thanks Sleuth.  It was great  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 09:32:54 PM
Monkeys...ignore the posts with that link.  I was only referring to the picture comparisons.

Those pictures were great, Sleuth.  I especially like Kermit in the Batman mask! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 09:32:59 PM
Kermit - I'm not sure if anyone ever showed you this comparison, but I think it is hilarious....

BTW, I was on South Beach this afternoon and I think I saw you doing those cartweels on the beach today :-)

It would help to post the link....
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/27350111.html


slueth that is hysterical

love this one
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/kermit/kermit%20new/bahia_kermit_small.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 09:34:14 PM


Thank you, Janet. 


Sleuth - what a great page! Thank you posting the link.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 09:34:39 PM
Was this GeoLab offering an appetizer for SubSea 7 or one of it's subsidiaries serving up the entree later on??Just a thought!

I'm wondering what the connection to Subsea & is with GeoLab. As well as the sale of the Gulf Diver IV.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 08, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
be back in a bit.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:35:31 PM
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Come on down and join the party Monkey's..JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS ALIVE AND WELL....... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2009, 09:37:41 PM
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Come on down and join the party Monkey's..JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS ALIVE AND WELL....... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 08, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
Johan,  you think that everyone is attacking you, but I recall many monkeys patiently answering your questions, many of which were ones that had been discussed years ago.  Anyone challenging you is simply because you do not recriprocate when you are asked a question.

It is only fair that KTF receives an answer to a simple question.

Kermit has never brought information that can not be backed up.  To me, that says a lot. 


I've missed you Sleuth - thank you for remembering me during the holidays - that meant alot to me  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 09:42:56 PM
Sometimes companies that are little shady just do a little creative paperwork
when it comes to equipment changing hands.
I think they are all in cahoots when it comes to the ships.
It makes it harder to trace the owner and the port of record.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 08, 2009, 09:48:57 PM
Excuse me for one minute -  but I see you have all these guests with their little faces smooched up against the window!!  They can look but not come in!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought I would give you all the visual!!  (http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/19.gif)

Janet - I have missed you and I hope you will come by the musings for a brief chat!!

Sorry for the interuption - please resume!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 09:49:40 PM
Excuse me for one minute -  but I see you have all these guests with their little faces smooched up against the window!!  They can look but not come in!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought I would give you all the visual!!  (http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/19.gif)

Janet - I have missed you and I hope you will come by the musings for a brief chat!!

Sorry for the interuption - please resume!!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 09:50:32 PM
Sometimes companies that are little shady just do a little creative paperwork
when it comes to equipment changing hands.
I think they are all in cahoots when it comes to the ships.
It makes it harder to trace the owner and the port of record.

I agree...don't doubt the shady, creative paperwork.  The Gulf Diver IV was listed for sale with another piece of equipment through JP Morgan Chase....maybe it was in a silent auction and the name changed.  (don't know just throwing that out there.)  If it was leased, you would think there is a record of some sort....licensing, etc.

Glad this was taken care of, Dugga!!!!    ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 09:53:00 PM
Excuse me for one minute -  but I see you have all these guests with their little faces smooched up against the window!!  They can look but not come in!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought I would give you all the visual!!  (http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/19.gif)

Janet - I have missed you and I hope you will come by the musings for a brief chat!!

Sorry for the interuption - please resume!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks mytime!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 09:53:31 PM
Obviously ... it was not "Nothing" that Tim Trahan saw in the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive.  Louis Schaefer, Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan were not make major network deals with the "trap info".

Janet

++++++

Kyle Kingman 06/16/2008: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 09:55:55 PM
Obviously ... it was not "Nothing" that Tim Trahan saw in the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive.  Louis Schaefer, Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan were not making major network deals with the "trap info" if there was nothing Natalee Holloway related.

Janet

++++++

Kyle Kingman 06/16/2008: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
Excuse me for one minute -  but I see you have all these guests with their little faces smooched up against the window!!  They can look but not come in!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought I would give you all the visual!!  (http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/tooconfused/19.gif)

Janet - I have missed you and I hope you will come by the musings for a brief chat!!

Sorry for the interuption - please resume!!  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 09:59:28 PM
Sometimes companies that are little shady just do a little creative paperwork
when it comes to equipment changing hands.
I think they are all in cahoots when it comes to the ships.
It makes it harder to trace the owner and the port of record.

I agree...don't doubt the shady, creative paperwork.  The Gulf Diver IV was listed for sale with another piece of equipment through JP Morgan Chase....maybe it was in a silent auction and the name changed.  (don't know just throwing that out there.)  If it was leased, you would think there is a record of some sort....licensing, etc.

Glad this was taken care of, Dugga!!!!    ::MonkeyWink::

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Can't change the name of a ship.  It is bad luck.
Sailors are a superstitious lot as a rule.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
Mytime ... I see right through you.  You are trying steal Ducky's affections away from me.  However ... it is not going to happen.  Ducky is mine ... all mine.  I am nothing without him.  Klaas gave him to me when I first entered the Monkey cage and ... for that I will be forever grateful to her.

Hey ... I have no time tonight ... company coming over for a game or two of Scabble.  However ... I would love to catch up with you Mytime.  Maybe tomorrow?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 08, 2009, 10:06:34 PM
Mytime ... I see right through you.  You are trying steal Ducky's affections away from me.  However ... it is not going to happen.  Ducky is mine ... all mine.  I am nothing without him.  Klaas gave him to me when I first entered the Monkey cage and ... for that I will be forever grateful to her.

Hey ... I have no time tonight ... company coming over for a game or two of Scabble.  However ... I would love to catch up with you Mytime.  Maybe tomorrow?

Janet

I just asked one question!!  And I now how you all hate not to get an answer!!   ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 08, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
Lifesong - excellent work on the timeline, and thank you for your continued efforts to expand it.

Tamikosmom - thanks to you and DIL for the organization and categorization of Kyle's own words.  I agree with DIL's approach as the words speak for themselves  (but appreciate the additional work that you put into it).



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 10:10:00 PM
Sometimes companies that are little shady just do a little creative paperwork
when it comes to equipment changing hands.
I think they are all in cahoots when it comes to the ships.
It makes it harder to trace the owner and the port of record.

I agree...don't doubt the shady, creative paperwork.  The Gulf Diver IV was listed for sale with another piece of equipment through JP Morgan Chase....maybe it was in a silent auction and the name changed.  (don't know just throwing that out there.)  If it was leased, you would think there is a record of some sort....licensing, etc.

Glad this was taken care of, Dugga!!!!    ::MonkeyWink::

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Can't change the name of a ship.  It is bad luck.
Sailors are a superstitious lot as a rule.

You are right.

My hubby was a commercial fisherman years ago and ... now he has a pleasure boat.  I am not allowed to open a can of soup upside down.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 10:13:28 PM
Lifesong - excellent work on the timeline, and thank you for your continued efforts to expand it.

Tamikosmom - thanks to you and DIL for the organization and categorization of Kyle's own words.  I agree with DIL's approach as the words speak for themselves  (but appreciate the additional work that you put into it).



Thank you Sleuth.

I was humbled at DIL's reaction when she fread over my introductions to each segment.  I was anticipating approval but instead ....

 ::MonkeyWaa::

However ... the more I think about it ... Kyle Kingman's words do speak for themselves.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 10:15:19 PM
Kermit

Are Geolab LLC and Geolab Srl....One and the Same! TIA 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 10:17:16 PM
Lifesong - excellent work on the timeline, and thank you for your continued efforts to expand it.

Tamikosmom - thanks to you and DIL for the organization and categorization of Kyle's own words.  I agree with DIL's approach as the words speak for themselves  (but appreciate the additional work that you put into it).



Ditto the above

Also, it was Kyle's words that made me see the light and I don't understand how others can dismiss it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 10:18:20 PM
Kermit

Are Geolab LLC and Geolab Srl....One and the Same! TIA 

I believe so HotPing...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 10:33:24 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Sometimes companies that are little shady just do a little creative paperwork
when it comes to equipment changing hands.
I think they are all in cahoots when it comes to the ships.
It makes it harder to trace the owner and the port of record.

I agree...don't doubt the shady, creative paperwork.  The Gulf Diver IV was listed for sale with another piece of equipment through JP Morgan Chase....maybe it was in a silent auction and the name changed.  (don't know just throwing that out there.)  If it was leased, you would think there is a record of some sort....licensing, etc.

Glad this was taken care of, Dugga!!!!    ::MonkeyWink::

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Can't change the name of a ship.  It is bad luck.
Sailors are a superstitious lot as a rule.

Thanks, Magnolia.  I didn't know that....I am not a sailor of any sort...obviously. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

OUCH........ ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 08, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
Janet, your words, thoughts and opinions are always welcome with me and of interest.

However, your DIL is a very wise woman.  It is better to post them away from the words of Kyle Kingman so that there can be no question as to what it was exactly that he said.

And you can add yours in here or after his on that thread.

Thank you and DIL both for this work.  Anyone who wants to know the truth according to Kyle only has to go to it and read.  Between that and Lifesong's Timeline, it is very clear what was said.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 10:40:01 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

 ::MonkeyWaa::    I am thankful my babies never had a broken bone....I hope your granddaughter heals well. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 10:48:14 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

I am so sorry, Janet.

Give her lots of Jello.  It will make the bone knit faster.
I don't know why, but it does.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 10:51:28 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

Poor baby!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Both of my boys each broke an arm at sometime when they were younger.  Oldest (third grade) broke his (right above the wrist) on the playground at school, the nurse didn't believe it was broken; he performed in his school play that night (Wild, Wild, West) I could tell it was really bothering him so I took him to the doctor the next day. Xray told the sad truth.  Youngest got a skateboard for Christmas (fourth grade) went over to a friend's and built a ramp; first try on the ramp...broke both bones in his arm!  His was much worse than the oldest son's break.  The first few days are rough, and then when it starts itching under the cast it's rough!  But I'm sure she will get plenty of TLC and it will all be o.k.!

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 10:54:01 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

Poor baby!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Both of my boys each broke an arm at sometime when they were younger.  Oldest (third grade) broke his (right above the wrist) on the playground at school, the nurse didn't believe it was broken; he performed in his school play that night (Wild, Wild, West) I could tell it was really bothering him so I took him to the doctor the next day. Xray told the sad truth.  Youngest got a skateboard for Christmas (fourth grade) went over to a friend's and built a ramp; first try on the ramp...broke both bones in his arm!  His was much worse than the oldest son's break.  The first few days are rough, and then when it starts itching under the cast it's rough!  But I'm sure she will get plenty of TLC and it will all be o.k.!

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::
 

BTW...youngest never had the desire to skateboard again (thank goodness).  He sold his skateboard in the next yard sale we had.  He had begged for that skateboard for a year before he finally got one.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 10:57:28 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 10:59:17 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

What happened?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 10:59:37 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: oh my, I can't even imagine that recovery!

I hope you're all o.k. now!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 11:04:35 PM
Kermit

Are Geolab LLC and Geolab Srl....One and the Same! TIA 

I believe so HotPing...
Thanks KTF...... Veripos has a station in Curacao and is owned by Subsea 7

http://www.veripos.com/coverage.php

 http://www.veripos.com/services.php

Introduction


Veripos was formed in 1989 to supply GPS augmentation services, in the form of differential GPS corrections, to the offshore oil and gas industry. Owned by Subsea 7, the Veripos product line operates worldwide, providing data broadcast and support services for precise positioning applications.

At Veripos it is our mission is to be a market leader in the supply of precise navigation and positioning services and solutions, through innovative application of technology, continuous product development and operational excellence, whilst creating maximum value for both our customers and our parent company.


Our Services


The mainstay of Veripos is the provision of data broadcast services for the purpose of enhancing accuracy, reliability and integrity of precise navigation and positioning. Veripos offers a range of such services to meet different client requirements, the details of which can be found in this section.

The greatest products will not, by themselves, ensure the best solution for the client. Many factors contribute to optimum operational and commercial effectiveness, from the provision of fit-for-purpose products maintained at a high level of operability to rapid, reliable delivery and a high standard of user support.

Veripos aims to meet all of these requirements without compromise. At the centre of our business philosophy is an unwavering commitment to provide superior quality while giving appropriate consideration to health, safety and the protection of the environment. From project planning to preventative maintenance, every aspect of our service is designed towards delivering products to our clients in the most professional manner possible.


The Future Of Navigation


At Veripos we maintain a continuous and focussed programme of product development that enables us not only to meet the current requirements of our clients but to anticipate and prepare for the demands of the future.

One of our key strategies is the application of diversity - utilising all available technologies to improve availability, reliability and robustness. This includes using multiple satellite and terrestrial platforms for the delivery of augmentation data, not only for GPS but also for GLONASS and other planned satellite navigation systems. To ensure that we maintain a wider focus we refer to our satellite positioning operation in terms of GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) rather than just GPS.

 
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

Poor baby!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Both of my boys each broke an arm at sometime when they were younger.  Oldest (third grade) broke his (right above the wrist) on the playground at school, the nurse didn't believe it was broken; he performed in his school play that night (Wild, Wild, West) I could tell it was really bothering him so I took him to the doctor the next day. Xray told the sad truth.  Youngest got a skateboard for Christmas (fourth grade) went over to a friend's and built a ramp; first try on the ramp...broke both bones in his arm!  His was much worse than the oldest son's break.  The first few days are rough, and then when it starts itching under the cast it's rough!  But I'm sure she will get plenty of TLC and it will all be o.k.!

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::
 

BTW...youngest never had the desire to skateboard again (thank goodness).  He sold his skateboard in the next yard sale we had.  He had begged for that skateboard for a year before he finally got one.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Poor kid.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Skateboarding played a huge part in the life of both my sons for a period of time.  I hated them.  There was lots scrapes but ... thankfully no broken bones.

Daughter did break her leg while on a school skiing trip when she was 13 years old.

Good Night texasmom.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 11:06:59 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
Kermit

Are Geolab LLC and Geolab Srl....One and the Same! TIA 

I believe so HotPing...
Thanks KTF...... Veripos has a station in Curacao and is owned by Subsea 7

http://www.veripos.com/coverage.php

 http://www.veripos.com/services.php

Introduction


Veripos was formed in 1989 to supply GPS augmentation services, in the form of differential GPS corrections, to the offshore oil and gas industry. Owned by Subsea 7, the Veripos product line operates worldwide, providing data broadcast and support services for precise positioning applications.

At Veripos it is our mission is to be a market leader in the supply of precise navigation and positioning services and solutions, through innovative application of technology, continuous product development and operational excellence, whilst creating maximum value for both our customers and our parent company.


Our Services


The mainstay of Veripos is the provision of data broadcast services for the purpose of enhancing accuracy, reliability and integrity of precise navigation and positioning. Veripos offers a range of such services to meet different client requirements, the details of which can be found in this section.

The greatest products will not, by themselves, ensure the best solution for the client. Many factors contribute to optimum operational and commercial effectiveness, from the provision of fit-for-purpose products maintained at a high level of operability to rapid, reliable delivery and a high standard of user support.

Veripos aims to meet all of these requirements without compromise. At the centre of our business philosophy is an unwavering commitment to provide superior quality while giving appropriate consideration to health, safety and the protection of the environment. From project planning to preventative maintenance, every aspect of our service is designed towards delivering products to our clients in the most professional manner possible.


The Future Of Navigation


At Veripos we maintain a continuous and focussed programme of product development that enables us not only to meet the current requirements of our clients but to anticipate and prepare for the demands of the future.

One of our key strategies is the application of diversity - utilising all available technologies to improve availability, reliability and robustness. This includes using multiple satellite and terrestrial platforms for the delivery of augmentation data, not only for GPS but also for GLONASS and other planned satellite navigation systems. To ensure that we maintain a wider focus we refer to our satellite positioning operation in terms of GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) rather than just GPS.

 
 



Now that could prove interesting.GeoLab gave Veripos a contract..... ::MonkeyCool::

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008  
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 


http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html


Now..How many months after they left Aruba is that???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2009, 11:09:50 PM
Oh my gosh Magnolia  ::MonkeyEek:: It's a miracle you've recovered so well


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 08, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

Magnolia you are a walking miracle !!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Thank heavens too, gosh what a horrifying experience for you, we're so thankful you came through it !!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 11:11:20 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.


Wow...God has a plan for each and every one of us! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 11:12:33 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

Poor baby!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Both of my boys each broke an arm at sometime when they were younger.  Oldest (third grade) broke his (right above the wrist) on the playground at school, the nurse didn't believe it was broken; he performed in his school play that night (Wild, Wild, West) I could tell it was really bothering him so I took him to the doctor the next day. Xray told the sad truth.  Youngest got a skateboard for Christmas (fourth grade) went over to a friend's and built a ramp; first try on the ramp...broke both bones in his arm!  His was much worse than the oldest son's break.  The first few days are rough, and then when it starts itching under the cast it's rough!  But I'm sure she will get plenty of TLC and it will all be o.k.!

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::
 

BTW...youngest never had the desire to skateboard again (thank goodness).  He sold his skateboard in the next yard sale we had.  He had begged for that skateboard for a year before he finally got one.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Poor kid.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Skateboarding played a huge part in the life of both my sons for a period of time.  I hated them.  There was lots scrapes but ... thankfully no broken bones.

Daughter did break her leg while on a school skiing trip when she was 13 years old.

Good Night texasmom.

Janet



They both broke legs (one of them twice) too, but I'll save those stories for another time.

When you have healthy active boys, especially ones that play football; you are bound to experience these things.  I'm sure neither one would change a thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 11:14:02 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

OMG.  I thought I was bad.  I broke a hip, fractured an elbow and had two disks removed in my neck  ::MonkeyEek:: .

Not all at once  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Today after church ... youngest son and DIL came over and picked up my daughter's two youngest (5/7) who had been spending the weekend with Papa and Mama.  They took the kids to Manning Park (Hope) for tobogganing.  Long story short ... I just received a call from SIL ... seven year old granddaughter broke her arm.  She is now home with a cast that goes above the elbow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anyways ...

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:30 PM PT

I am so sorry, Janet.

Give her lots of Jello.  It will make the bone knit faster.
I don't know why, but it does.

I just talked to daughter.  Granddaughter can't wait to go to school tomorrow to show off the cast.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I then talked to granddaughter and she when into every nitty bitty detail ... the accident ... the cast application.  She could have spared me.

Anyways ... the phone immediately rang after I hung up ... I knew it would be either DIL or youngest son.  I told my hubby to answer it.  Hey ... I had heard the entire story from granddaughter.  It was his turn.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 11:15:58 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

Holy cow. You are a strong woman Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:16:19 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

OMG.  I thought I was bad.  I broke a hip, fractured an elbow and had two disks removed in my neck  ::MonkeyEek:: .

Not all at once  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I never had a broken bone.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 11:16:58 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

Wow Magnolia, you're a miracle!  I'm so thankful for that!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 11:18:29 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

OMG, how horrible and scary but sounds like you pulled through like a trouper!  When did this happen to you, how long ago. 

P.S.  I did something similar but it only ran over my foot  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

OMG.  I thought I was bad.  I broke a hip, fractured an elbow and had two disks removed in my neck  ::MonkeyEek:: .

Not all at once  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I learned that if you are going to be dumb....you've got to be tough. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 11:18:58 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.


Magnolia "The Invincible" Monkey!!   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Wow!  You are one tough lady, Ms. Magnolia!  With a battery of guardian angels to boot! 
What an inspirational story...
Thank you for telling it and God Bless!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 11:19:05 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

Wow Magnolia, you're a miracle!  I'm so thankful for that!   ::MonkeyCool::


I am thankful for that too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WOW!!!

Mark the calendar Monkeys ... it does not happen often but ... I do not know what to say except ...  WOW!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2009, 11:20:05 PM
Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Found this "frog" over at GM and felt it could use a makeover  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/froglips.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 08, 2009, 11:20:32 PM
Kermit

Are Geolab LLC and Geolab Srl....One and the Same! TIA 

I believe so HotPing...
Thanks KTF...... Veripos has a station in Curacao and is owned by Subsea 7

http://www.veripos.com/coverage.php

 http://www.veripos.com/services.php

Introduction


Veripos was formed in 1989 to supply GPS augmentation services, in the form of differential GPS corrections, to the offshore oil and gas industry. Owned by Subsea 7, the Veripos product line operates worldwide, providing data broadcast and support services for precise positioning applications.

At Veripos it is our mission is to be a market leader in the supply of precise navigation and positioning services and solutions, through innovative application of technology, continuous product development and operational excellence, whilst creating maximum value for both our customers and our parent company.


Our Services


The mainstay of Veripos is the provision of data broadcast services for the purpose of enhancing accuracy, reliability and integrity of precise navigation and positioning. Veripos offers a range of such services to meet different client requirements, the details of which can be found in this section.

The greatest products will not, by themselves, ensure the best solution for the client. Many factors contribute to optimum operational and commercial effectiveness, from the provision of fit-for-purpose products maintained at a high level of operability to rapid, reliable delivery and a high standard of user support.

Veripos aims to meet all of these requirements without compromise. At the centre of our business philosophy is an unwavering commitment to provide superior quality while giving appropriate consideration to health, safety and the protection of the environment. From project planning to preventative maintenance, every aspect of our service is designed towards delivering products to our clients in the most professional manner possible.


The Future Of Navigation


At Veripos we maintain a continuous and focussed programme of product development that enables us not only to meet the current requirements of our clients but to anticipate and prepare for the demands of the future.

One of our key strategies is the application of diversity - utilising all available technologies to improve availability, reliability and robustness. This includes using multiple satellite and terrestrial platforms for the delivery of augmentation data, not only for GPS but also for GLONASS and other planned satellite navigation systems. To ensure that we maintain a wider focus we refer to our satellite positioning operation in terms of GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) rather than just GPS.

 
 



Now that could prove interesting.GeoLab gave Veripos a contract..... ::MonkeyCool::

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008  
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 


http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html


Now..How many months after they left Aruba is that???

The article on Veripos Website is dated....

April 22 2008

GEOLAB AWARD THREE POSITIONING CONTRACT TO VERIPOS


VERIPOS has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe’s leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services as an aid to the Italian company’s worldwide subsea operations on behalf of major oil, cabling and dredging concerns as well as government agencies and research institutes. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement.

Under the new agreement, VERIPOS will continue to provide GeoLab with the full range of satellite positioning services on a global basis ranging from it’s VERIPOS Standard DGPS augmentation service to the VERIPOS Ultra Precise Point Positioning (PPP) capability which ensures decimetre-level accuracies. The contract also includes the supply of further LD2 integrated dual frequency mobile units, Verify QC software and newly-developed interactive e-learning training modules. The facilities provided under this contract will collectively support operations of the GeoLab Group’s survey and DP support vessels operating from regional bases in Namibia, the UAE and West Africa in addition to Italy.

Commenting on the agreement, GeoLab’s Managing Director Giovanni Ranieri said: “It marks a further important stage in our relationship with VERIPOS who continue to provide us with optimum levels of service and support together with particularly high levels of reliability and worldwide availability”.

Responding, VERIPOS Managing Director Tony Leary said: “We are naturally delighted to continue our close working relationship with GeoLab by supplying what we believe to be an unrivalled quality and range of positioning services which we continue to refine and develop for the benefit of a growing number of offshore users worldwide”.

http://www.veripos.com/newsarch.php?news_id=114


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 11:21:26 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WOW!!!

Mark the calendar Monkeys ... it does not happen often but ... I do not know what to say except ...  WOW!!!

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 08, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

OMG.  I thought I was bad.  I broke a hip, fractured an elbow and had two disks removed in my neck  ::MonkeyEek:: .

Not all at once  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I learned that if you are going to be dumb....you've got to be tough. ::MonkeyHaHa::

And you sure are tough.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 08, 2009, 11:23:05 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

OMG, how horrible and scary but sounds like you pulled through like a trouper!  When did this happen to you, how long ago. 

P.S.  I did something similar but it only ran over my foot  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was 20 years ago now.

BTW they told me that I have a very small skull.  I have a large sponge area between the skull and
the brain.  Because the sponge area was so large it was able to absorb the brain hemmorage.
That is why I have no trouble believing that is a skull in the cage/trap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:24:43 PM
Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Found this "frog" over at GM and felt it could use a makeover  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/froglips.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 11:25:21 PM
Kermit

Are Geolab LLC and Geolab Srl....One and the Same! TIA 

I believe so HotPing...
Thanks KTF...... Veripos has a station in Curacao and is owned by Subsea 7

http://www.veripos.com/coverage.php

 http://www.veripos.com/services.php

Introduction


Veripos was formed in 1989 to supply GPS augmentation services, in the form of differential GPS corrections, to the offshore oil and gas industry. Owned by Subsea 7, the Veripos product line operates worldwide, providing data broadcast and support services for precise positioning applications.

At Veripos it is our mission is to be a market leader in the supply of precise navigation and positioning services and solutions, through innovative application of technology, continuous product development and operational excellence, whilst creating maximum value for both our customers and our parent company.


Our Services


The mainstay of Veripos is the provision of data broadcast services for the purpose of enhancing accuracy, reliability and integrity of precise navigation and positioning. Veripos offers a range of such services to meet different client requirements, the details of which can be found in this section.

The greatest products will not, by themselves, ensure the best solution for the client. Many factors contribute to optimum operational and commercial effectiveness, from the provision of fit-for-purpose products maintained at a high level of operability to rapid, reliable delivery and a high standard of user support.

Veripos aims to meet all of these requirements without compromise. At the centre of our business philosophy is an unwavering commitment to provide superior quality while giving appropriate consideration to health, safety and the protection of the environment. From project planning to preventative maintenance, every aspect of our service is designed towards delivering products to our clients in the most professional manner possible.


The Future Of Navigation


At Veripos we maintain a continuous and focussed programme of product development that enables us not only to meet the current requirements of our clients but to anticipate and prepare for the demands of the future.

One of our key strategies is the application of diversity - utilising all available technologies to improve availability, reliability and robustness. This includes using multiple satellite and terrestrial platforms for the delivery of augmentation data, not only for GPS but also for GLONASS and other planned satellite navigation systems. To ensure that we maintain a wider focus we refer to our satellite positioning operation in terms of GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) rather than just GPS.

 
 



Now that could prove interesting.GeoLab gave Veripos a contract..... ::MonkeyCool::

Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008  
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement. 


http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html


Now..How many months after they left Aruba is that???


Not many months...4?  mmmmmmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 08, 2009, 11:28:24 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WOW!!!

Mark the calendar Monkeys ... it does not happen often but ... I do not know what to say except ...  WOW!!!

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Magnolia is one up on you!!!!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 11:30:08 PM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

OMG, how horrible and scary but sounds like you pulled through like a trouper!  When did this happen to you, how long ago. 

P.S.  I did something similar but it only ran over my foot  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was 20 years ago now.

BTW they told me that I have a very small skull.  I have a large sponge area between the skull and
the brain.  Because the sponge area was so large it was able to absorb the brain hemmorage.
That is why I have no trouble believing that is a skull in the cage/trap.


And I thought it was that big, beautiful hat that made your head look so little.
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2009, 11:31:39 PM
The neighbours who were going to play Scrabble with us this evening had unexpected company drop in and ... the company just left.  Both guys have work tomorrow so ... we decided to take a raincheck on the game.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think I will organize some photos that need to be put in albums.

Good Night again.

Janet
8:30 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 08, 2009, 11:43:17 PM
Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Found this "frog" over at GM and felt it could use a makeover  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/froglips.gif)

Fancy that.   Why would there be a frog over there?  Did you give the frog a lip enhancement?  Shades of Angelina Jolie  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 08, 2009, 11:46:07 PM
The neighbours who were going to play Scrabble with us this evening had unexpected company drop in and ... the company just left.  Both guys have work tomorrow so ... we decided to take a raincheck on the game.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think I will organize some photos that need to be put in albums.

Good Night again.

Janet
8:30 PM PT


Goodnight, Janet.  God Bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2009, 11:47:57 PM
The neighbours who were going to play Scrabble with us this evening had unexpected company drop in and ... the company just left.  Both guys have work tomorrow so ... we decided to take a raincheck on the game.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think I will organize some photos that need to be put in albums.

Good Night again.

Janet
8:30 PM PT



Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 08, 2009, 11:55:16 PM
PERSISTENCE....WE WILL FIND THE TRUTH...... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 09, 2009, 12:05:17 AM
I never had a broken bone until I ran over myself at age 40. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Then I broke nearly every bone in my body.  ::MonkeyWaa::

OMG.  I thought I was bad.  I broke a hip, fractured an elbow and had two disks removed in my neck  ::MonkeyEek:: .

Not all at once  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I learned that if you are going to be dumb....you've got to be tough. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Now THAT's FUNNY....I don't care who you are....That's funny...compliments of Larry the cable guy...and billb... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Magnolia....Like KTF said...God has a plan for everyone...You are alive for a reason....God blessed you..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 12:25:42 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061

Hotping,

You're da bomb finding this stuff. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 12:27:34 AM
See you all later....G'nite.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 12:34:32 AM
Nite 2NJ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 12:37:36 AM
See you all later....G'nite.

Goodnight 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 09, 2009, 12:37:54 AM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

Holy cow. You are a strong woman Magnolia.
I'm still 2 pages behind -- ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: WOW!!! I'll never complain about my aches and complains ever again!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061

Hotping,

You're da bomb finding this stuff. 

Yes she is!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 12:48:18 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061

Hotping,

You're da bomb finding this stuff. 

Yes she is!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Your not a kidding....Go Hotping..PERSISTENCE...WE WILL FIND THE TRUTH.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 12:54:54 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061

Hotping,

You're da bomb finding this stuff. 

Yes she is!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Your not a kidding....Go Hotping..PERSISTENCE...WE WILL FIND THE TRUTH.... ::MonkeyWink::

GOOOOOOO KTF....never stop digging...you can do it!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

Holy cow. You are a strong woman Magnolia.
I'm still 2 pages behind -- ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: WOW!!! I'll never complain about my aches and complains ever again!!

 ::MonkeyEek:: omg ..A Super Magnolia  ::MonkeyCool:: Amazing..  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:11:03 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061

See where this will take us in terms of relationships..

http://www.cochranetech.com/Links/clients.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 01:13:56 AM
Gulf Diver IV (Ex:Jeannie G)   
5,750 HP, Anchor Handling Tug/Supply, Built 1973

 http://www.clarksons.net/register2/register.asp?rOpt=register&rSel=0&showItem=1&search=Gu&Page=9&x01_cvn=13463061

Superior Offshore International sells PSV, offers DSVFiled from Houston
4/15/2008 6:11:54 PM GMT




 
USA/GULF OF MEXICO: Financially troubled Superior Offshore International has closed the sale of platform support vessel (PSV) Gulf Diver V and selected onboard diving equipment to Legacy Offshore for US$4 million. Under the purchase agreement, Superior Offshore has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment for the same price on Oct. 1, 2008. Legacy Offshore provided a deposit of US$1.8 million in late March, which Superior Offshore used to make a scheduled payment on the charter of the diving support vessel (DSV) Gulmar Condor, which Superior Offshore would not have been able to make without the deposit.



Equipment sold as part of the deal include four dive hoses, two dive ladders, three gas radios, two dive bells, one electric welder, and one generator. Gulf Diver V weighs 900 tons and is 180 feet (54.86 m) long.



The company is also amending its credit facility with JPMorgan Chase Bank, with the commitments of the lenders terminating and the principal of all loans and unpaid interest becoming due and payable on May 8, 2008. Superior Offshore has agreed to sell a Kobelco CK 1600-2 crane located at the company's fabrication facility in Amelia, Louisiana, and the 168-foot by 38-foot (51 m by 11.5 m) DSV Gulf Diver IV. Proceeds from these sales will be used for the prepayment of obligations under the credit agreement


http://www.energycurrent.com/index.php?id=4&storyid=9981

 
    Superior Offshore Sees 3Q07 Revenues Increase     
  Superior Offshore International, Inc.      Thursday, November 15, 2007 


Superior Offshore reported revenues of $75.5 million for the third quarter of 2007, compared with revenues of $64.4 million in the third quarter of 2006. The Company reported net income of $3.6 million, or $0.14 per diluted share, in the third quarter of 2007, compared with net income of $13.7 million, or $0.92 per diluted share, in the third quarter of 2006. Included in net income for the third quarter of 2007 were charges totaling $0.9 million, or $0.03 per share, related to the sale of the Belle Chasse fabrication facility and Sarbanes-Oxley implementation.

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Adjusted EBITDA, defined as EBITDA (earnings before interest expense net of capitalized interest, income taxes, depreciation and amortization and loss on extinguishment of debt), which is a non-GAAP financial measure, plus stock-based compensation was $11.1 million in the third quarter of 2007, compared with $22.8 million in the third quarter of 2006. A reconciliation of Adjusted EBITDA to the Company's net income is found at the end of this news release.
Third quarter 2007 revenues were significantly enhanced by the ongoing BP Trinidad project but were negatively impacted by the dry-dockings of the Superior Endeavour and Gulmar Falcon. Both vessels have returned to service and are currently on hire, although neither generated any revenue in the third quarter of 2007. Four-point surface diving vessel utilization and dayrates, along with "call-out" emergency response diving services, were significantly lower in the third quarter of 2007, compared to the same period in 2006, as demand for surface diving support in the Gulf of Mexico remained soft. The dry-dockings of the two vessels, and the lower four-point and call-out diving services demand, significantly reduced third quarter 2007 Adjusted EBITDA compared to the third quarter of 2006.

James J. Mermis, Superior Offshore's president and chief executive officer, stated, "Third quarter 2007 results reflect the Company's continued progress in transforming Superior Offshore into an international subsea construction and commercial diving service company. Approximately 80 % of revenues for the third quarter came from outside the Gulf of Mexico.

"During the third quarter of 2007, we realized improved vessel utilization as compared with the first half of the year. All of our dynamically positioned vessels are currently under hire, except for the Toisa Puma, which is in dry dock until early December 2007. Three of our vessels are working on our BP Trinidad project -- the largest project in company history. We expect to keep some of our assets in Trinidad after the BP project is completed around the end of the year, and we have been awarded a project with another E&P company when assets become available. We have established an office in Trinidad to pursue additional work opportunities in the region.

"Our transformation was further accelerated with our recently announced acquisition of Ocean Flow International, LLC, a subsea engineering and project management firm, which is expected to close by the end of November. The opening of our Dubai office and the addition of Ocean Flow will enable us to focus on complementary services and to offer a broader range of services to a broader range of customers, allowing us to compete for larger-scale projects with longer contract terms and higher margins.

"Looking at the fourth quarter of 2007, we expect revenues to benefit from the Superior Endeavor and Gulmar Falcon returning to work, and we are also refocusing on our 24-hour call-out diving services for emergency repair and maintenance.

"As we move into 2008, we expect the continued weakness in the shallow water Gulf of Mexico to be offset by increased international and deep water work. The four-point market is still very challenging in the Gulf, and we are looking at potential opportunities to relocate those assets to international markets where they can realize higher utilization and pricing -- and we can get enhanced marketing exposure for Superior in these markets. It is also important to note that all of our special dry-docks will be completed in 2007, and we currently have only one 30-day dry-docking scheduled for 2008," concluded Mermis.

Year-to-Date Results:

For the nine months ended September 30, 2007, Superior Offshore reported revenues of $171.7 million, compared with revenues of $174.4 million for the first nine months of 2006. The Company reported a net loss of $1.0 million, or $0.05 per share, for the first nine months of 2007, compared with net income of $37.7 million, or $2.54 per diluted share, for the same period in 2006. Included in net income for the first nine months of 2007 were charges totaling $4.4 million, or $0.22 per share, related to the early extinguishment of debt, the sale of the Belle Chasse fabrication facility and Sarbanes-Oxley implementation.

"We also believe that the dual diver accreditation of ADCI and IMCA status will give us a significant advantage as we move into the international arena," added Mermis. "We currently employ over 300 international divers who hold dual certificates, and are currently in the process of dual-certifying more than 60 U.S. divers."

2007 and 2008 Outlook:

Based on our current estimates, the timing of project work and current market conditions, the Company expects that full-year 2007 revenue will range between $265 million and $275 million.

Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2007 is expected to be between $16 million and $18 million. Earnings per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2007 is expected to range from $0.12 to $0.16, which will include one-time charges related to severance costs and extinguishment of debt expected to be $0.16 to $0.20 per diluted share.

Based on our current estimates, the timing of project work and current market conditions, the Company estimates 2008 revenues will be $320 million to $350 million, which does not include any revenue from the Superior Achiever. The Achiever is expected to be placed into service in the second half of 2008.

These projections for 2007 and 2008 constitute forward-looking statements and are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties. Actual future results could differ materially from these projections as a result of a number of factors, including, but not limited to, our ability to be selected for new projects, the availability of charter vessels on suitable terms, possible shipyard delays, project delays and adverse weather conditions in the Gulf of Mexico as well as other factors described in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Fleet Update:


The Superior Endeavour, a DP II saturation Dive Support Vessel ("DSV"), returned to service in September 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues in October. It has committed work through December 2007;
The Gulmar Condor, a DP II saturation DSV, experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter of 2007 while working in Trinidad. Installation of a saturation diving system and work-class remotely operated vehicle ("ROV") was completed during the quarter. This vessel has a deepwater heave-compensated crane and is currently being bid on projects that capitalize on synergies that will be provided by Ocean Flow in the deepwater market. She will enable Superior Offshore to secure the track record needed before final commissioning of the Superior Achiever;
The Seamec III, a DP II saturation DSV, is on hire in Trinidad and experienced nearly full utilization during the third quarter. The Company is currently marketing her in Trinidad and is seeking opportunities to keep her utilized in the area after completion of the BP project;
The Adams Surveyor, a DP II vessel, is currently providing deepwater ROV services in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. This vessel experienced strong utilization during the third quarter, and the Company is negotiating for another ROV vessel to be chartered into the fleet;
The Gulmar Falcon, a DP II DSV, returned to service in October 2007 on a saturation diving project in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and began generating revenues in November. She has committed work in the Gulf for the remainder of this year and will come up for re-charter in April 2008. Assuming utilization of its DP assets remains strong as anticipated, Superior Offshore will negotiate a renewal of her charter;
The Toisa Puma, a DP II vessel, is in drydock and has not generated any revenues to date. Superior Offshore is currently engaged in a dispute with the vessel's owner regarding the vessel's readiness for its intended use;
The Crossmar XIV, an anchored subsea construction barge, is currently on hire in Trinidad and based on weather could see utilization there through the end of this year. The Company is working with its partner, Crossmar, to secure additional work for the vessel, either in Trinidad or the Gulf of Mexico;
The Gulf Diver III, V and VI four-point surface diving vessels continued to experience low utilization and declining dayrates due to decreasing demand in the Gulf of Mexico. Superior Offshore is exploring the possibility of moving some of these vessels to locations outside of the Gulf of Mexico. The Company is currently considering several strategic alternatives for the Gulf Diver IV, including refurbishment or sale;
Construction of the Superior Achiever, a 430-foot DP III vessel, remains on schedule, with delivery expected in the second half of 2008.

 
        http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=52921

http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=131440






Superior Offshore International LLC
 
900 S College Rd., Suite 301
70503, Lafayette
USA
www.superioroffshore.com Contact:  Louis Schaefer
Phone:    (337) 233-5933
Fax:        (337) 233-8870
Email:     Send an email 

Superior Offshore International LLC, offshore services industry, specialized in commercial diving and salvage.
Superior Offshore International is celebrating 20 years in the offshore services industry. Louis Schaefer Jr., owner and president, began the company as Superior Offshore Services which specialized in commercial diving and salvage. Highly regarded in the Gulf Coast oil and gas industry, Louis recognized the need for more “diver-friendly” products and began to develop new underwater technologies and diving techniques. As a result, Louis began a sister-company, named Superior Diving Company in1995. Superior Diving Company expanded its offshore services through the acquisition of two new service vessels by purchasing the Gulf Diver III, a 165 ft, 30-ton capable, multiple-purpose vessel. In 2005, Superior Diving purchased the Superior Endeavour, a 265 ft, DPII classed ship. In December 2005, Superior Offshore Services and Superior Diving Company were unified under its new name, Superior Offshore International to better reflect both company’s expanded core capabilities and customer base. Superior Offshore International will continue to strive to become the industry leader in the worldwide energy industry. Superior Offshore International is scheduled to expand its offshore service fleet in 2006 through the acquisition of the Gulf Diver IV and the Gulf Diver V.

Superior Offshore International LLC Subsea Tags: Superior Offshore International LLC Lafayette, USA, offshore services, Superior Offshore Services, Superior Diving, Diving Services, Vessels, Navigational Aids, Construction/Fabrication
 


 http://www.subsea.org/company/listdetails.asp?companyid=1916
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070817/deepq.pk10-q.html

ARTICLE IV
Consent
      Section 4.01 Consent . The Agent and the Lenders hereby consent to (a) the sale of Gulf Diver V to Legacy Offshore, L.L.C., an Affiliate of the Borrower; provided that, (i) the Borrower provides to the Agent and each Lender a true and correct executed copy of the purchase agreement governing the sale of Gulf Diver V (the “ Gulf Diver V Purchase Agreement ”) and any other documents executed in connection with the Gulf Diver V Purchase Agreement, (ii) the terms and conditions of the Gulf Diver V Purchase Agreement are substantially similar to the draft of such agreement provided by the Borrower to the Agent, (iii) the sale of Gulf Diver V is consummated in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Gulf Diver V Purchase Agreement without waiver or amendment of any material term or condition thereof, (iv) the sale of Gulf Diver V is consummated on or before April 11, 2008, (v) the aggregate Net Proceeds received by the Borrower from the sale of Gulf Diver V are not less than $4,000,000 and on the date any portion of such Net Proceeds are received, the Borrower prepays the Obligations as set forth in Section 2.11(e) of the Credit Agreement in an aggregate amount equal to 100% of such Net Proceeds, and (vi) each of the conditions precedent to this Amendment set forth in Article V have been satisfied or waived in writing, (b) the sale of the Gulf Diver IV; provided that, (i) the Borrower provides to the Agent and each Lender a true and correct executed copy of the purchase agreement governing the sale of Gulf Diver IV (the “ Gulf Diver IV Purchase Agreement ”) and any other documents executed in connection with the Gulf Diver IV Purchase Agreement, (ii) the aggregate Net Proceeds received by the Borrower from the sale of Gulf Diver IV are not less than $100,000 and on the date any portion of such Net Proceeds are received, the Borrower prepays the Obligations as set forth in Section 2.11(e) of the Credit Agreement in an aggregate amount equal to 100% of such Net Proceeds, and (iii) each of the conditions precedent to this Amendment set forth in Article V have been satisfied or waived in writing, and (c) the sale of the Fabrication Crane; provided that, (i) the sale of the Fabrication Crane is consummated on or before April 11, 2008, (ii) the aggregate Net Proceeds received by the Borrower from the sale of the Fabrication Crane are not less than $820,000 and on the date any portion of such Net Proceeds are received, the Borrower prepays the Obligations as set forth in Section 2.11(e) of the Credit Agreement in an aggregate amount equal to 100% of such Net Proceeds and (iii) each of the conditions precedent to this Amendment set forth in Article V have been satisfied or waived in writing.
      Section 4.02 Limitations on Consent . To induce the Agent and the Lenders to agree to the terms of Section 4.01, the Borrower hereby agrees that the consents set forth herein shall not be deemed a consent to the departure from or waiver of (a) Section 6.05 of the Credit Agreement for any purpose other than to permit the sale of Gulf Diver V, Gulf Diver IV and the Fabrication Crane on the terms set forth in this Amendment, (b) any other provisions, covenants or conditions in the Credit Agreement or any other Loan Document, or (c) any Default or Event of Default that otherwise may arise as a result of the sale of Gulf Diver V, Gulf Diver IV or the Fabrication Crane. The failure to comply with Section 6.05 of the Credit Agreement with respect to any other Asset Sale restricted thereby shall constitute an Event of Default.
      Section 4.03 Release of Lien . The Agent and the Lenders agree that upon the satisfaction of each of the conditions set forth in Section 4.01 with respect to the sale of each of Gulf Diver V, Gulf Diver IV and the Fabrication Crane, as applicable, the Agent shall promptly deliver to Borrower, or their designee, such documents as Borrower may reasonably require to
Fifth Amendment to Credit Agreement
Page 4



 http://apps.shareholder.com/sec/viewerContent.aspx?companyid=DEEP&docid=5863994


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Monkey Mia on March 09, 2009, 01:16:48 AM
To ban or not to ban  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/cat12.gif)

Excuse me for being late to the party, but I have to say that I enjoy seeing the rat get lost in the maze.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 01:18:04 AM
Thanks Everyone....I just Want


~~~~~~~~~~~~~JUSTICE FOR NATALEE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 01:28:19 AM
Hey Monkey Mia....Did You Figure Out How to Do the Monkey Dance?


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:31:21 AM
Thanks Everyone....I just Want


~~~~~~~~~~~~~JUSTICE FOR NATALEE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


                        JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


                   THE TRUTH WILL REVEAL ITSELF IN TIME


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:34:02 AM
Thanks Everyone....I just Want


~~~~~~~~~~~~~JUSTICE FOR NATALEE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


                        JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


                   THE TRUTH WILL REVEAL ITSELF IN TIME

                       JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                            GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                     KEEPTHEFAITH


P.S. PERSISTENCE...TIME IS ON OUR SIDE.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2009, 01:52:35 AM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 01:54:34 AM
Thanks Everyone....I just Want


~~~~~~~~~~~~~JUSTICE FOR NATALEE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


                        JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


                   THE TRUTH WILL REVEAL ITSELF IN TIME

                       JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                            GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                     KEEPTHEFAITH


P.S. PERSISTENCE...TIME IS ON OUR SIDE.. ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight and God bless KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 01:56:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 01:57:12 AM
Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 01:58:19 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 09, 2009, 02:02:56 AM
Good Night...billb, Edward, hotping and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 02:05:48 AM
Good Night...billb, Edward, hotping and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 02:06:28 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

Keep up the good work Hotping!  Goodnight!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 02:11:40 AM
 Kermit mentioned a Company by the name of Smit in an earlier post on Pg 33 this thread....I found this interesting....








On 14 October 2006, the Naming ceremony of the ‘Smit Bonaire’ took place at Kralendijk, Bonaire. The
‘Smit Bonaire’ was named by Mrs Angela Garmendia de Nieves, wife of Mr H. Nieves, General Manager of BOPEC Bonaire.
 

The Naming ceremony of this newbuilding tug is part of SMIT’s worldwide newbuilding programme and strategy of growth and stability.
The ‘ Smit Bonaire’ will be deployed in Manzanillo, Panama, where she will join her newbuilding sister tugs ‘Smit Aruba’ and ‘Smit Curacao’. All three 57/60 tonnes bollard pull tugs are of the Damen 2810 ASD design.
 

 http://www.smit.com/sitefactor/page.asp?pageid=1162&groupid=97


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 03:01:18 AM
hotping, your research is amazing and very much appreciated.

You asked a question a few pages back about Geo Lab SRL:


GeoLab will change the operational name
from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC[/u]
<snip>
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd.(UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2

 
And this is
GeoLab SRL
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 03:05:01 AM
hotping, your research is amazing and very much appreciated.

You asked a question a few pages back about Geo Lab SRL:


GeoLab will change the operational name
from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC[/u]
<snip>
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd.(UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2

 
And this is
GeoLab SRL
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html





Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008  
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement.
 
Under the new agreement, Veripos will continue to provide GeoLab with a full range of proprietary globalised satellite positioning facilities extending from its Standard GNSS augmentation service to its latest Ultra Precise Point Positioning (PPP) capability which ensures decimetre-level accuracies by minimising or removing all main GPS error sources.

Together with the supply of further LD2 integrated dual frequency mobile units, Verify QC software for real-time and post-processing of data and newly-developed interactive e-learning training modules, the facilities will collectively support operations of GeoLab's group-sourced subsea survey and DP support vessels operating from regional bases in Namibia, the UAE and West Africa in addition to Italy.
 
Commenting on the agreement, GeoLab's Managing Director Giovanni Ranieri said: "It marks a further important stage in our relationship with Veripos who continue to provide us with optimum levels of service and support together with particularly high levels of reliability and worldwide availability".
 
Responding, Veripos Managing Director Tony Leary said: "We are naturally delighted to continue our close working relationship with GeoLab by supplying what we believe to be an unrivalled quality and range of positioning services which we continue to refine and develop for the benefit of a growing number of offshore users worldwide".
  http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 03:07:02 AM
Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Found this "frog" over at GM and felt it could use a makeover  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 03:10:46 AM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::

Edward,

what happened to the Prince Bernhard?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 03:12:21 AM
Magnolia,
I think you are an angel and that is why you experienced what you did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 03:28:08 AM
Press Release

 Helix Enters Stock Sale Agreement with Cal Dive
HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 25, 2009--Helix Energy Solutions Group, Inc. (NYSE:HLX) reports that it has entered into a definitive stock repurchase agreement with Cal Dive International, Inc. (NYSE:DVR), a majority-owned subsidiary, pursuant to which it will sell to Cal Dive 13,564,669 shares of Cal Dive's common stock for total consideration equal to $86,000,000 or $6.34 per share. The purchase price represents an approximate 2% discount to the 30 day average trading price of Cal Dive's common stock as of January 16, 2009. Helix expects to close the transaction in the near future and will use the proceeds of the sale for general corporate purposes. After the consummation of this transaction Helix will own 47,942,022 of the 93,946,409 shares of Cal Dive common stock outstanding such that Helix's ownership interest is reduced from approximately 57% to approximately 51% of Cal Dive.

Owen Kratz, the Helix's President and Chief Executive Officer, commented that "We believe that this is another step in our previously announced strategy of unlocking the asset value in the Company by divesting of assets outside of our core business focus while simultaneously providing the Company with additional liquidity which we believe is important in the current economic environment."

Helix Energy Solutions, headquartered in Houston, Texas, is an international offshore energy company that provides reservoir development solutions and other contracting services to the energy market as well as to its own oil and gas business unit. Helix's contracting services segment utilizes its vessels and offshore equipment that when applied with its methodologies reduce finding and development costs and cover the complete lifecycle of an offshore oil and gas field. Helix's oil and gas segment engages in prospect generation, exploration, development and production activities. Helix operates primarily in the Gulf of Mexico, North Sea, Asia Pacific and Middle East Regions.

This press release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause our results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. All statements, other than statements of historical fact, are statements that could be deemed "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including, without limitation, any projections of revenue, gross margin, expenses, earnings or losses from operations, or other financial items; future production volumes, results of exploration, exploitation, development, acquisition and operations expenditures, and prospective reserve levels of property or wells; any statements of the plans, strategies and objectives of management for future operations; any statement concerning developments, performance or industry rankings; any statements regarding future economic conditions or performance; any statements of expectation or belief; and any statements of assumptions underlying any of the foregoing. The risks, uncertainties and assumptions referred to above include the performance of contracts by suppliers, customers and partners; employee management issues; complexities of global political and economic developments; geologic risks and other risks described from time to time in our reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC"), including the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ending December 31, 2007. We assume no obligation and do not intend to update these forward-looking statements.


CONTACT: Helix Energy Solutions Group, Inc.,
Houston
Tony Tripodo, 281-618-0400
Chief Financial Officer

Source: Helix Energy Solutions Group, Inc.
 

http://www.helixesg.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/tabid/110/Default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 03:38:32 AM
Cal Dive
Helix owns a 59% interest in Cal Dive international Inc., a publicly traded diving company. Cal Dive provides manned diving, shallow water pipelay and pipe burial services to the global offshore oil and natural gas industry. Cal Dive is also the leader in diving support, including construction, inspection, maintenance, repair and decommissioning of offshore production and pipeline infrastructure.

Served by a fleet of 26 vessels, including 23 surface and saturation diving support vessels and three shallow water pipelay vessels, Cal Dive's customers include major and independent oil and natural gas producers, pipeline transmission companies and offshore engineering and construction firms.

Access the Cal Dive International website at www.caldive.com

         
 
 
 

 http://www.helixesg.com/EnergyServices/CalDive/tabid/196/Default.aspx
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 03:45:52 AM
https://rp1.tss.db.com/dbdr/publication/PressRel/4221_MAY29200743157AM.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 03:56:11 AM
Good Night... Johann and 1 guest!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 09, 2009, 08:33:47 AM
The car started to roll and I ran around to get in to stop it because it was locked
except for the driver's door.
Silly Magnolia ran behind the car instead of in front.
It picked up speed while I was right behind it and ran over my head and chest,
then the car and I went over a cliff and I was pinned beneath it.
The catalytic converter burned both my arms to the bone.
All ribs were broken, breast bone, both arms, both legs, brain hemmorage, bruised heart.
I was a mess.
I have no ill effects and went back to work in six weeks.

HOLYYYY CRAPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!  :smt103 All I can say is:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:EI6UEWXr4TQBQM:http://www.artstarphilly.com/shop/accessories/porter_magnet_super%2520monkey.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 09:38:36 AM
it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!




kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information


I have had quite enough of this b*llsh*t.

I still have several pages to catch up on, so if this has already been responded to, please forgive me Monkeys.

Beth was given the information by two different Freebirds, and SOME of it by her brother

Beth and Dave's attorney  was given the information by yet another Freebird

The FBI  was given the information by one of the Freebirds who gave it to Beth (ME)

Dave was given the information by a Freebird after some of it had been posted here

Enough of the crap johan!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 09:48:02 AM
Anna - that quote is what got me looking into who this "journalist" was when that article came out.

First clue - look at the posts over the weekend by johan and bastibro about Dave.  Dave, Dave, Dave.  It looked to me to be a bit of an underhanded attempt to denigrate Beth.

That this article johan posted here for us does the same thing cannot possibly just be a coincidence..........................can it?

That quote in the article is the first thing that told me Dave Holloway was NOT a party to the article.  No way would he have sanctioned a comment like that about Natalee's mother.


What does this remark in the article Johan posted the link to mean?

Quote:

,, This looks like a cover-up, says Dave Holloway, who quickly into the public shall neither confrontation searches. Sinds de verdwijning van Natalee is hij op zijn eigen bedeesde wijze dagelijks bezig geweest met het vinden van zijn dochter - los van zijn ex-vrouw Beth, Natalees veel bekendere moeder. Since the disappearance of Natalee is diminished in its own way every day trying to find his daughter - regardless of his ex-wife Beth, Natalees many known mother.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 10:16:03 AM
Oh...............forgive me.

Good morning Monkeys!

Thank you for the well wishes from Friday - am nowhere near 100%, but I am definitely on the road to recovery.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 10:42:40 AM
Oh...............forgive me.

Good morning Monkeys!

Thank you for the well wishes from Friday - am nowhere near 100%, but I am definitely on the road to recovery.  ::MonkeyCool::


Glad to hear you're feeling better, Jen...here's to a speedy recovery!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 11:01:04 AM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Edward.

Those words cleared the morning cobwebs and ... has got me thinking.

Good Morning All.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 11:08:46 AM
Keepthefaith, Magnolia, nimrod, jen3560, Anna, Cageman


Good Morning to all Monkey's...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 09, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Anna - that quote is what got me looking into who this "journalist" was when that article came out.

First clue - look at the posts over the weekend by johan and bastibro about Dave.  Dave, Dave, Dave.  It looked to me to be a bit of an underhanded attempt to denigrate Beth.

That this article johan posted here for us does the same thing cannot possibly just be a coincidence..........................can it?

That quote in the article is the first thing that told me Dave Holloway was NOT a party to the article.  No way would he have sanctioned a comment like that about Natalee's mother.


What does this remark in the article Johan posted the link to mean?

Quote:

,, This looks like a cover-up, says Dave Holloway, who quickly into the public shall neither confrontation searches. Sinds de verdwijning van Natalee is hij op zijn eigen bedeesde wijze dagelijks bezig geweest met het vinden van zijn dochter - los van zijn ex-vrouw Beth, Natalees veel bekendere moeder. Since the disappearance of Natalee is diminished in its own way every day trying to find his daughter - regardless of his ex-wife Beth, Natalees many known mother.



Jen, I am sure hoping that is some kind of bad translation thing.

But I did find the remark interesting and as written, it does sound very insulting to Beth.

I think the whole article is also the result of a bad translation of something.  Author like Trixi the cab driver and unable to tell the difference in past and future tense when listening to English?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 11:15:48 AM
Jen

Take care.  I hope you are well soon.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9971563

(http://wtvf.images.worldnow.com/images/9971563_BG1.jpg)

Natalee Holloway's Mother Speaks At Local School

Posted: March 9, 2009 07:44 AM PDT

 
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - If your child is going away for a Spring Break trip there is a seminar Monday night you can't miss.

Beth Holloway, the mother of 18 year-old Natalee Holloway, will be speaking to students and parents at Ensworth High School Monday night. Natalee went missing in Aruba during a high school graduation trip in 2005.

Monday night, she tells parents "the story no one should have to tell, but everyone must hear."

The program titled "Remember Natalee" begins at 6:30 p.m. at the Ensworth High School Theater.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::

Edward,

what happened to the Prince Bernhard?


He died at 93 years old..
He had a daughter named Beatrix.
The Queen. ::MonkeyWink::

He lived a double life.. At one point fully supporting the Germans and at another point fully supporting the allies..
Historically People are confused.... When they do not need to be.. He was a switch hitter.  ::MonkeyRoll::
Bottom line he supported the Nazi ideology and he himself was a German by birth. NOT Dutch.
That is why the still exists in the Netherlands today.

It is Paulus.. and a whole group of them.
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 11:29:16 AM
Edward

What was the function of the "German Reiter SS Corps"?

Thanks

Janet
8:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::

Edward,

what happened to the Prince Bernhard?


He died at 93 years old..
He had a daughter named Beatrix.
The Queen. ::MonkeyWink::

He lived a double life.. At one point fully supporting the Germans and at another point fully supporting the allies..
Historically People are confused.... When they do not need to be.. He was a switch hitter.  ::MonkeyRoll::
Bottom line he supported the Nazi ideology and he himself was a German by birth. NOT Dutch.
That is why the still exists in the Netherlands today.

It is Paulus.. and a whole group of them.
jmho


Thank you Edward!I will definitely have to get caught up on my history a bit more..Thanx to you! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 11:36:07 AM
https://rp1.tss.db.com/dbdr/publication/PressRel/4221_MAY29200743157AM.pdf


Your doing good things HotPing..I will start to see what i can find today! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::

Edward,

what happened to the Prince Bernhard?


He died at 93 years old..
He had a daughter named Beatrix.
The Queen. ::MonkeyWink::

He lived a double life.. At one point fully supporting the Germans and at another point fully supporting the allies..
Historically People are confused.... When they do not need to be.. He was a switch hitter.  ::MonkeyRoll::
Bottom line he supported the Nazi ideology and he himself was a German by birth. NOT Dutch.
That is why the still exists in the Netherlands today.

It is Paulus.. and a whole group of them.
jmho


Mixed marriages with Arubans among the Dutch elite residing on the Island does not seem to be an issue.  The implication to me is that racism does not appear to be a issue.  While following the Natalee Holloway case my impression is that discrimination appears to exists between the classes rather than race.

Thoughts?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
Edward

"?

Thanks

Janet
8:30 AM PT

An elite corps of combat troops (SS is short for Schutzstaffel, which is German for “protective shield”) formed originally within the German Nazi party as a bodyguard for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders and led by Heinrich Himmler. During the 1930s, Hitler steadily expanded the responsibilities of the SS to include the suppression of his political opponents within Germany and the persecution of the Jews. The SS supervised the concentration camps.

Also SS men were developed out of BOYS..
That is right.. Hitler was a original developer of a Boy Scout troop leader..  ::MonkeyEek::
Many of those boys would later turn in there own parents if they said anything bad about Hitler.

ALSO this..

IG Farben was the only German company in the Third Reich that ran its own concentration camp. At least 30.000 slave workers died in this camp.
The prince Bernhard worked there..



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 11:48:14 AM
Edward

"?

Thanks

Janet
8:30 AM PT

An elite corps of combat troops (SS is short for Schutzstaffel, which is German for “protective shield”) formed originally within the German Nazi party as a bodyguard for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders and led by Heinrich Himmler. During the 1930s, Hitler steadily expanded the responsibilities of the SS to include the suppression of his political opponents within Germany and the persecution of the Jews. The SS supervised the concentration camps.

Also SS men were developed out of BOYS..
That is right.. Hitler was a original developer of a Boy Scout troop leader..  ::MonkeyEek::
Many of those boys would later turn in there own parents if they said anything bad about Hitler.

ALSO this..

IG Farben was the only German company in the Third Reich that ran its own concentration camp. At least 30.000 slave workers died in this camp.
The prince Bernhard worked there..



Edward ... thank you for this morning's history lesson.

I hope you have a good day.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2009, 11:57:22 AM
Janet, It is not a race issue..German to Dutch..
It is a issue of politics and beliefs and support there of..

Paulus is party to this belief system.. Joran is his child without concience, just like an SS boy.. There is a whole very large group protecting him.
Notice that the World court exists in the Hague.
Remember the Nazi wanted a one world government.

You can't have logic on any subject unless you fully understand the history of any subject matter.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
Janet, It is not a race issue..German to Dutch..
It is a issue of politics and beliefs and support there of..

Paulus is party to this belief system.. Joran is his child without concience, just like an SS boy.. There is a whole very large group protecting him.
Notice that the World court exists in the Hague.
Remember the Nazi wanted a one world government.

You can't have logic on any subject unless you fully understand the history of any subject matter.



Thank you, Edward.  Very interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 12:20:03 PM
Janet, It is not a race issue..German to Dutch..
It is a issue of politics and beliefs and support there of..

Paulus is party to this belief system.. Joran is his child without concience, just like an SS boy.. There is a whole very large group protecting him.
Notice that the World court exists in the Hague.
Remember the Nazi wanted a one world government.

You can't have logic on any subject unless you fully understand the history of any subject matter.



I agree.

It was my understanding that the Nazi ideology was a racist idelogy.

Thank you Edward.  You response did make perfect sense in regards to the protectionist  aspect of the Nazi ideology.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
Keepthefaith

Is it snow in your area?  Our weather patterns appear to be similar.

It has been snowing in the Fraser Valley since yesterday.  The white stuff is falling lightly and ... has not accumulated too much.  Nevertheless ... I am not getting behind that wheel.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
Keepthefaith

Is it snow in your area?  Our weather patterns appear to be similar.

It has been snowing in the Fraser Valley since yesterday.  The white stuff is falling lightly and ... has not accumulated too much.  Nevertheless ... I am not getting behind that wheel.

Janet

Yes! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Snowing pretty good right now!Bizarre....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 09, 2009, 12:43:51 PM
I'm jumping forward from my catch up reading and was wondering if some kind monkey could direct me to Johan's and for that matter, Kyle's answers?

I've been waiting a loooooong time.    ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 12:53:49 PM
Janet, It is not a race issue..German to Dutch..
It is a issue of politics and beliefs and support there of..

Paulus is party to this belief system.. Joran is his child without concience, just like an SS boy.. There is a whole very large group protecting him.

Notice that the World court exists in the Hague.
Remember the Nazi wanted a one world government.

You can't have logic on any subject unless you fully understand the history of any subject matter.



You are right!!  How would Paulus and Joran possess a conscience when they are under the impression that the established moral and legal boundaries of a civilized society do not apply to them?

Think about it.

1.  Paulus is not held accountable for abetting his underage son in activities that had an indirect connection to the demise of Natalee Holloway.

2.  Underage Joran is not held accountable for participating in activities that had a direct connection to the demise of Natalee Holloway.

3.  The establishments that allowed underage Joran to participate illegally in activities that had an indirect connect to the demise of Natalee Holloway are not held accountable.

Janet.

+++++


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007


Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39
:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 09, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

@ CBB!

Yes, and good thing we know better than to hold our breath waiting for an answer.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 09, 2009, 01:04:42 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

@ CBB!

Yes, and good thing we know better than to hold our breath waiting for an answer.



 ::MonkeyShocked:: I didn't recognize you, Anna!

I have some night cream you should try............ just sayin.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:05:23 PM
Keepthefaith

Is it snow in your area?  Our weather patterns appear to be similar.

It has been snowing in the Fraser Valley since yesterday.  The white stuff is falling lightly and ... has not accumulated too much.  Nevertheless ... I am not getting behind that wheel.

Janet

Yes! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Snowing pretty good right now!Bizarre....

It's dumping buckets down here Janet! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 01:12:30 PM
Keepthefaith

Is it snow in your area?  Our weather patterns appear to be similar.

It has been snowing in the Fraser Valley since yesterday.  The white stuff is falling lightly and ... has not accumulated too much.  Nevertheless ... I am not getting behind that wheel.

Janet

Yes! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Snowing pretty good right now!Bizarre....

It's dumping buckets down here Janet! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well ... just keep it there Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

It has stopped snowing here for the time being.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 01:15:07 PM
In the 1930s, with the rise of Adolf Hitler, Prince Bernhard's younger brother Aschwin, publicly declared his support for the Nazi Party. Prince Bernhard himself trained as a fighter pilot then was later made an officer of the German Reiter SS Corps. The Prince eventually went to work for the German chemical company, IG Farben. After a period of training, he became Secretary to the Board of Directors at the Paris office in 1935. Because he was a Protestant and a Royal, Bernhard was acceptable by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands as a suitable husband for Princess Juliana. However, Bernhard's appropriateness as the consort of the future Queen would later become a matter of public debate.

Prince Bernhard's political insensitivities in the Netherlands distanced him from the Dutch people at a time when tensions were high and another war in Europe seemed almost certain. First, traveling to the Reich Chancellery, he met personally with Adolf Hitler who had publicly insinuated that the marriage of the German Prince to the future Queen of the Netherlands was a sign of an alliance between the two nations. Then, for several days leading up to his marriage to Princess Juliana on January 7, 1937, Prince Bernhard entertained SS officer Langenheim in the Dutch royal palace. The Prince provided the SS representative with an assessment of the political situation in the Netherlands and the role of the Dutch Nazi Party, all of which was reported back in detail to the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. Whether Bernhard in doing so consciously acted against Dutch interests has been a question for debate.
 ::MonkeyWink::
The relationship has never ended..
Just fuel for thought to sleep on..  ::MonkeyWink::

Edward,

what happened to the Prince Bernhard?


He died at 93 years old..
He had a daughter named Beatrix.
The Queen. ::MonkeyWink::

He lived a double life.. At one point fully supporting the Germans and at another point fully supporting the allies..
Historically People are confused.... When they do not need to be.. He was a switch hitter.  ::MonkeyRoll::
Bottom line he supported the Nazi ideology and he himself was a German by birth. NOT Dutch.
That is why the still exists in the Netherlands today.

It is Paulus.. and a whole group of them.
jmho


This is very interesting Edward.
Considering Joran was in Germany before going to Thailand.
Do you have any background on Paulus that connects him to Germany?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:17:38 PM
Keepthefaith

Is it snow in your area?  Our weather patterns appear to be similar.

It has been snowing in the Fraser Valley since yesterday.  The white stuff is falling lightly and ... has not accumulated too much.  Nevertheless ... I am not getting behind that wheel.

Janet

Yes! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Snowing pretty good right now!Bizarre....

It's dumping buckets down here Janet! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well ... just keep it there Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

It has stopped snowing here for the time being.

Janet



It's March??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 01:19:28 PM
Janet, It is not a race issue..German to Dutch..
It is a issue of politics and beliefs and support there of..

Paulus is party to this belief system.. Joran is his child without concience, just like an SS boy.. There is a whole very large group protecting him.
Notice that the World court exists in the Hague.
Remember the Nazi wanted a one world government.

You can't have logic on any subject unless you fully understand the history of any subject matter.



What I find particularly intriguing about your bringing this up is that it was Joran who made the "Hitler" comment. Which seemed out of place at the time, but perhaps not out of place to his thinking, the way he was brought up with parents that adhere to this or talk about it in their home to their children. Certainly, we have seen recent photos of the another child of that families following in his brother's footsteps. Very facinating Edward. Thank you for bringing it up.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
Keepthefaith

Is it snow in your area?  Our weather patterns appear to be similar.

It has been snowing in the Fraser Valley since yesterday.  The white stuff is falling lightly and ... has not accumulated too much.  Nevertheless ... I am not getting behind that wheel.

Janet

Yes! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Snowing pretty good right now!Bizarre....

It's dumping buckets down here Janet! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well ... just keep it there Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

It has stopped snowing here for the time being.

Janet



It's March??? ::MonkeyConfused::

Fourteen years ago it snowed in March on my daughter's wedding day.  Daughter and SIL wanted to get married in January or February.  I convinced them to wait until March to avoid the snow as guests would be travelling from out of town and from Vancouver.  Anyways ... Murphy's Law dictated.  It did not snow in January and February of 1995 ... it held off until one hour prior to the March wedding.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thankfully ... the snow did not cause any problems.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:33:56 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:36:06 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::

I don't know what made Johan555 madder?Kermit calling him out or the fact Klaas was better at pictionary!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 01:44:46 PM
Klaas.Please do let me know if i'm being inappropriate at anytime.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::


Keepthefaith ... it is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers (Kermit/Natalee's Freebirds/Monkeys) must be discredited.

Janet

++++++++++


iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM
»

If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »

This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:


http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940

Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::


Keepthefaith ... it is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers (Kermit/Natalee's Freebirds/Monkeys) must be discredited.

Janet

++++++++++


iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM
»

If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »

This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:


http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940

Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240

LOGIC DICTATES... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 02:09:33 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 02:13:09 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

It does make me wonder if CnG is dying a slow death though.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 02:13:55 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

                                JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


PERSISTENCE...THE TRUTH SHALL REVEAL ITSELF IN TIME..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 02:20:28 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

I think all of the above talked a good game and wrote it well, but their heart was not in the right place,
except LoRain, who was always a cohort or Mark Purcell


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 02:22:26 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

It does make me wonder if CnG is dying a slow death though.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think it may be since Destiny is over at GM shootin' birds to monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 02:25:05 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

It does make me wonder if CnG is dying a slow death though.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Considering that the recent bannings at SM have prevented drivebys to disrupt meaningful dialogue that is exposing the John Silvetti betrayal ... maybe the agenda is to join open forums and let the disruptions begin.

I have a feeling the Kermit's driveby thread at GM is going to go poof from the open forum and emerge in the hidey hole.  Any cutting and pasting should be done quickly.  I did not do images.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 02:29:46 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::


Keepthefaith ... it is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers (Kermit/Natalee's Freebirds/Monkeys) must be discredited.

Janet

++++++++++


iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM
»

If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »

This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:


http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940

Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240

This is where it's at..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

I think all of the above talked a good game and wrote it well, but their heart was not in the right place,
except LoRain, who was always a cohort or Mark Purcell

I agree.

However ... they all appear to be part of the Mark Purcell gang now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope we are all wrong Magnolia.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 02:41:42 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::

Please forgive me, I'm at least a page behind, but I have to say:


You cannot stand behind Kyle Kingman, without some explanation of all these statements AND the hiding of the evidence collection videos.  Exactly what the hell was he doing?

You cannot stand behind John Silvetti without explaining why he was just duped by ALE and more specifically how and by whom.

There are names on that list of people I wish would post!  That I always came here to read.  I want to hear the other side of the story.

I wish you guys would leave Kermit out of it and explain.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::

Please forgive me, I'm at least a page behind, but I have to say:


You cannot stand behind Kyle Kingman, without some explanation of all these statements AND the hiding of the evidence collection videos.  Exactly what the hell was he doing?

You cannot stand behind John Silvetti without explaining why he was just duped by ALE and more specifically how and by whom.

There are names on that list of people I wish would post!  That I always came here to read.  I want to hear the other side of the story.

I wish you guys would leave Kermit out of it and explain.




I think that say's it all LifeSong..The problem is they can't!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 02:46:24 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

They've dedicated a whole forum to Kermit but,Not a mention of all of Kyle's words... ::MonkeyWink::

Please forgive me, I'm at least a page behind, but I have to say:


You cannot stand behind Kyle Kingman, without some explanation of all these statements AND the hiding of the evidence collection videos.  Exactly what the hell was he doing?

You cannot stand behind John Silvetti without explaining why he was just duped by ALE and more specifically how and by whom.

There are names on that list of people I wish would post!  That I always came here to read.  I want to hear the other side of the story.

I wish you guys would leave Kermit out of it and explain.

Edit to add:  There are also names on that list that should never post again. 

JMO and only MO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 02:50:59 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

I think all of the above talked a good game and wrote it well, but their heart was not in the right place,
except LoRain, who was always a cohort or Mark Purcell

I agree.

However ... they all appear to be part of the Mark Purcell gang now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope we are all wrong Magnolia.

Janet

It would be nice if we were wrong, Janet, but I fear they have all burned their
bridges.......never a good move IMO.
The fact that they attack Kermit is so wrong.  Those are not Kermit's words,
they are Kyle Kingman's words, and that fact has been backed up by others from the Freebirds.

Wonder what has happened to the oracle, CapsLockWizzard?
I guess they are still backing him too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 02:54:09 PM
bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa


The Gold Monkey Line-up..... ::MonkeyCool:: courtesy of GM... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

I think all of the above talked a good game and wrote it well, but their heart was not in the right place,
except LoRain, who was always a cohort or Mark Purcell

I agree.

However ... they all appear to be part of the Mark Purcell gang now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope we are all wrong Magnolia.

Janet

It would be nice if we were wrong, Janet, but I fear they have all burned their
bridges.......never a good move IMO.
The fact that they attack Kermit is so wrong.  Those are not Kermit's words,
they are Kyle Kingman's words, and that fact has been backed up by others from the Freebirds.

Wonder what has happened to the oracle, CapsLockWizzard?
I guess they are still backing him too.

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

You know, to my knowledge God only made one perfect human. 

All of us are flawed. 

If you listen to Tim Miller interviews you hear ones where he's clear as a bell and ones where he's slurring.  I don't know Tim Miller, have never met him.  But having a drinking problem would not change the fact that as of like July, 2007 he had performed, iirc something like over 720 searches for missing people.  People that had families.  People who mattered.  I imagine if I carried that heavy a burden I'd get drunk at night too.  Maybe at least for a while.  Idk.

I think Kyle's so self-enamored he gets a little carried away, but I don't know him either.

I've seen the pictures from January 7th. 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 02:59:33 PM
Keepthefaith, cp405, BUCKSHOT, Magnolia, rjdeer, bastibro, Lifesong, 2NJSons_Mom, nimrod, Debbie, San

Come down and join the party ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

+++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:

 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 03:07:26 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

You know, to my knowledge God only made one perfect human. 

All of us are flawed. 

If you listen to Tim Miller interviews you hear ones where he's clear as a bell and ones where he's slurring.  I don't know Tim Miller, have never met him.  But having a drinking problem would not change the fact that as of like July, 2007 he had performed, iirc something like over 720 searches for missing people.  People that had families.  People who mattered.  I imagine if I carried that heavy a burden I'd get drunk at night too.  Maybe at least for a while.  Idk.

I think Kyle's so self-enamored he gets a little carried away, but I don't know him either.

I've seen the pictures from January 7th. 
 


I agree with you. If I had been through what Tim Miller has with losing his daughter and then having to suffer through all the searches and heartbreaks of other families with missing loved ones, I don't know if I could handle it.

Tim Miller is my hero!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 03:12:50 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

+++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:

 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html



To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 03:15:40 PM
So....Tim Miller drinks a bit.  It doesn't keep him from his mission.

When he was last in Birmingham to look for a missing girl, it was said that he
had bleeding ulcers of the colon....akin to chrone's disease or ulcerative colitis.
That is why he is so thin.

That condition would stop him from any excessive drinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 03:16:35 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 03:22:53 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated that Tim Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

+++++++


To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.


I was not banned ... I flew the coop. Big difference.  I have always upheld the Natalee's Freebirds.

Anyways ... that was not my question.  Do you have any credible backup that Tim Miller does not have a drinking problem ... back up that implies Kyle Kingman is lying?

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html





It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 03:35:32 PM
I agree with Lifesong.....none of us are perfect, and I'm not exactly a pillar of my church, but know the words 'He who is without sin, cast the first stone'.  I find it very sad and disheartening that a thread was created over there to malign Kermit.  Reading it reminds me of high school kid stuff and I am surprised at some of the participants.  Guess my impression of them was way off. 

As for Kyle's possibly evalutating Tim Miller's drinking habits.....well, it's been mentioned before somewhere along the way, and even if it were true, it has not had an effect on Tim's promise to his daughter.  He keeps on going & I admire him for it. 

I'm still waiting for Justice for Natalee, despite all of the BS and diversions. 

Carry on, monkeys. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html



It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
I agree with Lifesong.....none of us are perfect, and I'm not exactly a pillar of my church, but know the words 'He who is without sin, cast the first stone'.  I find it very sad and disheartening that a thread was created over there to malign Kermit.  Reading it reminds me of high school kid stuff and I am surprised at some of the participants.  Guess my impression of them was way off. 

As for Kyle's possibly evalutating Tim Miller's drinking habits.....well, it's been mentioned before somewhere along the way, and even if it were true, it has not had an effect on Tim's promise to his daughter.  He keeps on going & I admire him for it. 

I'm still waiting for Justice for Natalee, despite all of the BS and diversions. 

Carry on, monkeys. 



Sorry 2nj.I brought it up and maybe shouldn't have!In my world,i believe all you have is your word,character,as well as integrity..I believe you are the company you keep.That is just my opinion and some are far more understanding then I.Again.Sorry for bringin it forward! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html



It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet

You are proud of your brother, I understand that.  Do you think Kyle was proud of Tim when he
made that post.  I really don't think so.  It was not his information to share.  It was Tim's.

I disagree with you on the point of Kyle's Christian faith.  I think he talks the talk, but
does not walk the walk.  I think a lot of the flowery professions that he has posted are
just that and added for effect.

I might add that I do not disagree with you on much. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 03:49:02 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html





I guess the real point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't take every thing Kyle said as a factual statement and that is why I've had difficulty with accepting his words as proof of a grand conspiracy or cover up on board the Persistence. I surely may be wrong about that, but, I hope I'm not.  BTW, I only read here and not any other boards, ever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
I agree with Lifesong.....none of us are perfect, and I'm not exactly a pillar of my church, but know the words 'He who is without sin, cast the first stone'.  I find it very sad and disheartening that a thread was created over there to malign Kermit.  Reading it reminds me of high school kid stuff and I am surprised at some of the participants.  Guess my impression of them was way off.   
As for Kyle's possibly evalutating Tim Miller's drinking habits.....well, it's been mentioned before somewhere along the way, and even if it were true, it has not had an effect on Tim's promise to his daughter.  He keeps on going & I admire him for it. 

I'm still waiting for Justice for Natalee, despite all of the BS and diversions. 

Carry on, monkeys. 



Me too 2NJSons_Mom.  I cannot not believe that these prodical Scared Monkeys are not discussing Kyle Kingman's own words rather than despicably attempting to defame the messenger.

Somehow I give carnut the benefit of the doubt that he is not aware of that Kermit thread and ... it will go poof when he does.

Then again ... I could be wrong.

Everyday I am proved wrong in my impressions of where other stand on the issues.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
I agree with Lifesong.....none of us are perfect, and I'm not exactly a pillar of my church, but know the words 'He who is without sin, cast the first stone'.  I find it very sad and disheartening that a thread was created over there to malign Kermit.  Reading it reminds me of high school kid stuff and I am surprised at some of the participants.  Guess my impression of them was way off. 

As for Kyle's possibly evaluating Tim Miller's drinking habits.....well, it's been mentioned before somewhere along the way, and even if it were true, it has not had an effect on Tim's promise to his daughter.  He keeps on going & I admire him for it. 

I'm still waiting for Justice for Natalee, despite all of the BS and diversions. 

Carry on, monkeys. 



Sorry 2nj.I brought it up and maybe shouldn't have!In my world,i believe all you have is your word,character,as well as integrity..I believe you are the company you keep.That is just my opinion and some are far more understanding then I.Again.Sorry for bringin it forward! ::MonkeyCool::

My intention was to give my opinion while I had a moment to do so, and it was not to chide anyone here.  On the other hand, we can notice what is happening around us and keep the discussion about Natalee's case rather than the kids who have severed ties here.  jmo.

bbl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 04:02:27 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html



It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet

You are proud of your brother, I understand that.  Do you think Kyle was proud of Tim when he made that post.  I really don't think so.  It was not his information to share.  It was Tim's.

I disagree with you on the point of Kyle's Christian faith.  I think he talks the talk, but
does not walk the walk.  I think a lot of the flowery professions that he has posted are
just that and added for effect.

I might add that I do not disagree with you on much. ::MonkeyCool::

Kyle needed to shut his fat trap about Tim.  If Tim drank it was not up to Kyle to tell others he had a drinking problem.

Was Kyle trying to discredit Tim by saying he drank.  What was the purpose of him saying this when he clearly stated he joined the forum for other reasons.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 04:03:09 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html



It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet

You are proud of your brother, I understand that.  Do you think Kyle was proud of Tim when he
made that post.  I really don't think so.  It was not his information to share.  It was Tim's.

I disagree with you on the point of Kyle's Christian faith.  I think he talks the talk, but
does not walk the walk.  I think a lot of the flowery professions that he has posted are
just that and added for effect.

I might add that I do not disagree with you on much. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree with you Magnolia.

However ... if you were a fly on my wall ... you would be privy to the fact that I do not always walk the walk.  I am a sinner saved by the grace of God and ... I am often on my knees confessing those sins to my Heavenly Father.  Something akin to a child/father earthly relationship ... the child does wrong and ... when the burden of the wrongdoing becomes to heavy ... he asks his father forgiveness ... he apologizes and ... attemps to make amends.

My prayer is that Kyle Kingman will bow to the God he professed to uphold and ... for his own sake and the sake of Natalee Holloway's family will reveal all regarding the happenings encompassing the Persistence deception.  These are the actions that have the ability to open the door ... not only to God's forgiveness but ... to the forgiveness of Natalee Holloway's family.

I hope I made sense Magnolia.

I love ya.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 04:05:23 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html





I guess the real point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't take every thing Kyle said as a factual statement and that is why I've had difficulty with accepting his words as proof of a grand conspiracy or cover up on board the Persistence. I surely may be wrong about that, but, I hope I'm not.  BTW, I only read here and not any other boards, ever.

Here is what Kyle had to say about it on March 21 2008:

"Tim Miller is definitely a drinker. I respect him enough to leave it at that."

As has been previously pointed out from public media, Kyle did not state a mis-truth in this instance.

As has also been pointed out, it was not his place (or anyone else's) to bring it up at all.

But, since there was an effort being made today to use that as a measurement against everyting else Kyle had to say for the purposes of veracity, I figured I had better post the actual quote to dispel any further misinformation.




FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 04:05:37 PM
I agree with Lifesong.....none of us are perfect, and I'm not exactly a pillar of my church, but know the words 'He who is without sin, cast the first stone'.  I find it very sad and disheartening that a thread was created over there to malign Kermit.  Reading it reminds me of high school kid stuff and I am surprised at some of the participants.  Guess my impression of them was way off. 

As for Kyle's possibly evaluating Tim Miller's drinking habits.....well, it's been mentioned before somewhere along the way, and even if it were true, it has not had an effect on Tim's promise to his daughter.  He keeps on going & I admire him for it. 

I'm still waiting for Justice for Natalee, despite all of the BS and diversions. 

Carry on, monkeys. 



Sorry 2nj.I brought it up and maybe shouldn't have!In my world,i believe all you have is your word,character,as well as integrity..I believe you are the company you keep.That is just my opinion and some are far more understanding then I.Again.Sorry for bringin it forward! ::MonkeyCool::

My intention was to give my opinion while I had a moment to do so, and it was not to chide anyone here.  On the other hand, we can notice what is happening around us and keep the discussion about Natalee's case rather than the kids who have severed ties here.  jmo.

bbl

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 04:07:55 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html





I guess the real point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't take every thing Kyle said as a factual statement and that is why I've had difficulty with accepting his words as proof of a grand conspiracy or cover up on board the Persistence. I surely may be wrong about that, but, I hope I'm not.  BTW, I only read here and not any other boards, ever.

Here is what Kyle had to say about it on March 21 2008:

"Tim Miller is definitely a drinker. I respect him enough to leave it at that."

As has been previously pointed out from public media, Kyle did not state a mis-truth in this instance.

As has also been pointed out, it was not his place (or anyone else's) to bring it up at all.

But, since there was an effort being made today to use that as a measurement against everyting else Kyle had to say for the purposes of veracity, I figured I had better post the actual quote to dispel any further misinformation.




FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

Not much respect to bring it up period!IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 04:08:46 PM

Well, I didn't know they had a thread just to bash Kermit in.  That's ridiculous.  I'm not going to read it either - this is not about Kermit.

I want to hear the reasoned, intelligent thinking behind supporting Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti.  Or either one, because personally, I do not believe its possible to do both, at least not without a lot of asterisks, sotaspeak.

SM is where it all started.  SM already is and has been the archive of record for this story.  This is where the Jan. 7th pictures came out and this is where the discussion is occuring.

I apolgize to Klaas and theAmazingMods because there will be some wackos that will show up and cause trouble, but this is where the conversation between the different perspectives of the truth behind these "secret statements" of Kyle Kingman and hidden pictures of bagged evidence should take place.

Nimrod, I believe that Kermit and all of the Freebirds want the truth - whatever it is.  I do not believe that Jen is leading some crazy mission of Kermit's (or any other Freebird's) to assassinate the character of any innocent human being.  If Jen has evidence to the contrary, I absolutely believe that if she can, she will post it and let the reader judge. 

If there is another explanation, it sure seems like people who care about Justice for Natalee would rather sit around and be right (not to mention mean-spirited) then share that explanation with others who care about Justice for Natalee for their consideration as well.

I have to wonder, do you think that's what Natalee would do? 

Kermit made his choice, and I'm so grateful.  I've seen the pictures from January 7th!

Why won't anyone on the other side stand up for what they believe to be true?
   

Whether you agree with the information or not, Kermit put it out there for the rest of us.  Kermit making that choice is a complete and separate issue from the veracity of information shared.  Every one of you knows that.  So discouraging.

Somebody over there needs to stand up for what they believe in and post it here where the conversation is occuring.  It doesn't have to be a fight, people.  God made us all different for a reason.

JMO and only MO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 04:10:58 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html





I guess the real point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't take every thing Kyle said as a factual statement and that is why I've had difficulty with accepting his words as proof of a grand conspiracy or cover up on board the Persistence. I surely may be wrong about that, but, I hope I'm not.  BTW, I only read here and not any other boards, ever.

Here is what Kyle had to say about it on March 21 2008:

"Tim Miller is definitely a drinker. I respect him enough to leave it at that."  

As has been previously pointed out from public media, Kyle did not state a mis-truth in this instance.

As has also been pointed out, it was not his place (or anyone else's) to bring it up at all.

But, since there was an effort being made today to use that as a measurement against everyting else Kyle had to say for the purposes of veracity, I figured I had better post the actual quote to dispel any further misinformation.




FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

Thank you jen.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 04:12:41 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html



It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet

You are proud of your brother, I understand that.  Do you think Kyle was proud of Tim when he
made that post.  I really don't think so.  It was not his information to share.  It was Tim's.

I disagree with you on the point of Kyle's Christian faith.  I think he talks the talk, but
does not walk the walk.  I think a lot of the flowery professions that he has posted are
just that and added for effect.

I might add that I do not disagree with you on much. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree with you Magnolia.

However ... if you were a fly on my wall ... you would be privy to the fact that I do not always walk the walk.  I am a sinner saved by the grace of God and ... I am often on my knees confessing those sins to my Heavenly Father.  Something akin to a child/father earthly relationship ... the child does wrong and ... when the burden of the wrongdoing becomes to heavy ... he asks his father forgiveness ... he apologizes and ... attemps to make amends.

My prayer is that Kyle Kingman will bow to the God he professed to uphold and ... for his own sake and the sake of Natalee Holloway's family will reveal all regarding the happenings encompassing the Persistence deception.  These are the actions that have the ability to open the door ... not only to God's forgiveness but ... to the forgiveness of Natalee Holloway's family.

I hope I made sense Magnolia.

I love ya.

Janet



"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
I see no need to post my personal convictions on a public forum.
I don't know why Kyle did, except to guild the lily and make people think what a good boy he was.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 04:15:51 PM

Well, I didn't know they had a thread just to bash Kermit in.  That's ridiculous.  I'm not going to read it either - this is not about Kermit.

I want to hear the reasoned, intelligent thinking behind supporting Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti.  Or either one, because personally, I do not believe its possible to do both, at least not without a lot of asterisks, sotaspeak.

SM is where it all started.  SM already is and has been the archive of record for this story.  This is where the Jan. 7th pictures came out and this is where the discussion is occuring.

I apolgize to Klaas and theAmazingMods because there will be some wackos that will show up and cause trouble, but this is where the conversation between the different perspectives of the truth behind these "secret statements" of Kyle Kingman and hidden pictures of bagged evidence should take place.

Nimrod, I believe that Kermit and all of the Freebirds want the truth - whatever it is.  I do not believe that Jen is leading some crazy mission of Kermit's (or any other Freebird's) to assassinate the character of any innocent human being.  If Jen has evidence to the contrary, I absolutely believe that if she can, she will post it and let the reader judge. 

If there is another explanation, it sure seems like people who care about Justice for Natalee would rather sit around and be right (not to mention mean-spirited) then share that explanation with others who care about Justice for Natalee for their consideration as well.

I have to wonder, do you think that's what Natalee would do? 

Kermit made his choice, and I'm so grateful.  I've seen the pictures from January 7th!

Why won't anyone on the other side stand up for what they believe to be true?
   

Whether you agree with the information or not, Kermit put it out there for the rest of us.  Kermit making that choice is a complete and separate issue from the veracity of information shared.  Every one of you knows that.  So discouraging.

Somebody over there needs to stand up for what they believe in and post it here where the conversation is occuring.  It doesn't have to be a fight, people.  God made us all different for a reason.

JMO and only MO.


Hope you're not calling me a wacko. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 04:17:17 PM
Nimrod - I want to give you kudos for not joining in with the melee at offshoot forums.

 :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

+++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:

 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html



To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.


Why?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 04:19:14 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

=++++

A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct


<snipped>

Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

<snipped>

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html



It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet

You are proud of your brother, I understand that.  Do you think Kyle was proud of Tim when he
made that post.  I really don't think so.  It was not his information to share.  It was Tim's.

I disagree with you on the point of Kyle's Christian faith.  I think he talks the talk, but
does not walk the walk.  I think a lot of the flowery professions that he has posted are
just that and added for effect.

I might add that I do not disagree with you on much. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree with you Magnolia.

However ... if you were a fly on my wall ... you would be privy to the fact that I do not always walk the walk.  I am a sinner saved by the grace of God and ... I am often on my knees confessing those sins to my Heavenly Father.  Something akin to a child/father earthly relationship ... the child does wrong and ... when the burden of the wrongdoing becomes to heavy ... he asks his father forgiveness ... he apologizes and ... attemps to make amends.

My prayer is that Kyle Kingman will bow to the God he professed to uphold and ... for his own sake and the sake of Natalee Holloway's family will reveal all regarding the happenings encompassing the Persistence deception.  These are the actions that have the ability to open the door ... not only to God's forgiveness but ... to the forgiveness of Natalee Holloway's family.

I hope I made sense Magnolia.

I love ya.

Janet



"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
I see no need to post my personal convictions on a public forum.
I don't know why Kyle did, except to guild the lily and make people think what a good boy he was.


Magnolia ... is that what you think of me.  I hope not.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
Janet,

I think the world and all of you.  Please don't think otherwise.

I do not feel the same toward Kyle as I do toward you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
(http://www.cornette.cz/images/panske/boxerky/kermit-haft.jpg)
johanns underware


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 04:29:50 PM
Kermit.Any ideas smit-world??Been searching..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

+++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:

 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html



To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.


Why?



For disagreeing with you and Jen on the SM board, I believe?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:34:44 PM


For disagreeing with you and Jen on the SM board, I believe?

That can't be true and the way that I know that is I haven't spoken to you since the Hurricane in Houston.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 04:34:51 PM
I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

+++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:

 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html



To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.


Why?



For disagreeing with you and Jen on the SM board, I believe?

Wrong.

You did read the email you were sent, right?

It was for the same reason Wingnut, Angie911 and Sharon were deactivated.

Same rule violated, same repercussions.

Please don't try and make this something it's not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:35:13 PM
Kermit.Any ideas smit-world??Been searching..

No not yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:37:51 PM
(http://www.cornette.cz/images/panske/boxerky/kermit-haft.jpg)
johanns underware

You'll notice - no balls!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 04:40:16 PM
BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.





FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.





FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

Eduardo and his purpose is still very bizarre to me!Don't know what to make of it.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 04:43:03 PM
GeoLab track-record comprises a large number of the most prestigious and technical demanding projects including, but not limited to, the following:
PIPELINES & PLATFORMS
Shallow Water
Adriatic Installation Campaign 2008
Bahr Essalam Project
Sabratha Platform Project
DIDON Field Project
Temsah Project
TMPC
Taurt Platform Project
Taurt Pipeline Project
El-Arish to Ashqelon
Rosetta PIM Project
AWA Paloukou & Ikalou
Mafumeira
Mimas & Thetys Development
Shearwater & Galleon Projects
Dolphin Project
ADMA-OPCO 2006 Pipeline Inspection Campaign
DEEP WATER
AQABA Project
LGTS Greenstream Project
Dalia Project
Burullus Phase IV
CABLES
Sirius, Solas & Esat Projects
Italy-Greece FOL & HDVC Interconnector
SACOI Project
Bass-Link Project
SAPEI Project
Neptune Project
Dolphin Umbilicals Project
OTHER MARKETS
SINPOS Project
TECSIS Project
ARCHEOMAR Project
IMDH Namibia and Angola Mining Surveys




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 04:43:35 PM
Nimrod - I want to give you kudos for not joining in with the melee at offshoot forums.

 :smt049

That's the nicest thing you have said to me in a loooong time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
Kyle said: But to answer your question, if I had to name a person who I trusted, I would say Eduardo Mansur. He's a great guy and was a lot of help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 09, 2009, 04:44:40 PM
(http://www.cornette.cz/images/panske/boxerky/kermit-haft.jpg)
johanns underware

You'll notice - no balls!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:46:07 PM
Kyle said: Eduardo Mansur owns Benny Hannas (sp) and Hooters and perhaps others.. but he spends a lot of his time working with Diario for obvious reasons. He spends a lot of time in Bolivia and traveling around the US which he loves. He's got a beautiful F-250 truck and adores his two kids.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 09, 2009, 04:49:54 PM
BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.





FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

That was Hotshot who posted that Jossy said Eduardo was on that ship the entire time.

I bet Kyle trusted Eduado.  He was watching over every move they made and reporting back to the powers that be in Aruba.

I still question why he was there and if he wasn't there on the 7th then was he on board the boat belong to ALE? 

Something is not right about this.  Jossey was bringing in witnesses and tossing that theory out and Eduardo was on that ship.  Doesn't tally with me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:49:58 PM
Kyle said: Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???


Destiny asks OE (Kyle) if the pictures are of the same pond:
“OE, Did you see the 3 new photos we got today?   Is it the same pond you scanned?....please let me know....it's driving me crazy.... TIA...Destiny”

OE (Kyle) confirms that it is:
“Yes, it is certainly the same pond that we searched in February.”


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman

  La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club
Helen Werleman & Manager of the Year,
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f61/maureen-martinez-helen-werleman-walter-kelly-recognized-la-cabana-10976/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 09, 2009, 04:50:45 PM
Kyle said: But to answer your question, if I had to name a person who I trusted, I would say Eduardo Mansur. He's a great guy and was a lot of help.


I bet he was a lot of help to him.  Kinda like the fox guarding the hen house.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
Janet,

I think the world and all of you.  Please don't think otherwise.

I do not feel the same toward Kyle as I do toward you.

I am relieved Magnolia.  I really am.

However ... if we believe Kyle Kingmans words posted at the Natalee's Freebirds' site in regards to the John Silvetti betrayal ... I believe his words regarding Tim Miller being a drinker.

Where it was necessary to post those words is the question.  If Tim Miller's drinking was interferring with his responsibilities entrusted to him by those who donated to the Persistence undertaking ... then Kyle should have provided an explanation.  Without an explanation ... I agree ... the words would have been better left unsaid.

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman
- Tim Miller is definitely a drinker. I respect him enough to leave it at that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 04:54:11 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 04:58:08 PM
To RED from KYLE:


Tim Miller wasn't in a position to offer anyone access. He was/is not the project manager. Tim Trahan and John Silvetti make those decisions. Here's an apology: I'm sorry you were mislead by Tim Miller which obviously left you highly embittered. This had nothing to do with us. You are in no position to cast judgment or insult the search team. How dare you say that we have no clue. Red, frankly your arrogance astounds me.

--
Kyle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 04:58:53 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

He was operating the ROV. 

The inference I got from his "speeding away" was that not one person from the Aruban boat set foot on, or spoke with anyone onboard the Persistence.

That by the time Kyle got back topside after finishing with the ROV recording that dive, their boat was already taking off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 04:59:12 PM
BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.

FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."


Jen ... it was Jossy who claimed that Eduardo was not on the January 7, 2008 dive but ... had been on the Persistence the entire time.

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage ... my thought process turns to questioning what was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence.  Could the “powers that be” have taken advantage of the trusted relationship that existed between Jossy Mansur and the family of Natalee Holloway?   Could the “powers that be” had assumed the motives of Eduard Mansur would not be questioned  or undermine?

One member of the crew, who held a professional position on board the Persistence, had his suspicions.  His name was Kyle Kingman.

IMO

Janet
________

JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:
  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman
:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:01:34 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

I do not recall Kyle stating what his location on the ship was during the Aruba only divers on Jan. 7th.
I recall Kyle stating they did not know the ROV unit was filming them.
I recall Kyle stating he had the screenshots from that dive on his computer.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 05:02:25 PM
Janet,

Since that was reported to us via HotShot (thanks Blue Moon!), I have to question its validity.  Did that info really come from Jossy?

I still don't know what to think about Jossy and Eduardo's position with all of this.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:02:25 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

He was operating the ROV. 

The inference I got from his "speeding away" was that not one person from the Aruban boat set foot on, or spoke with anyone onboard the Persistence.

That by the time Kyle got back topside after finishing with the ROV recording that dive, their boat was already taking off.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:03:12 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

IF the trap is of no importance, then why did he, Tim Trahan, Louis Schaerfer try to sell the footage?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 09, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

IF the trap is of no importance, then why did he, Tim Trahan, Louis Schaerfer try to sell the footage?


That is what sticks with me as well!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 05:09:04 PM
Kyle said: Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???


Destiny asks OE (Kyle) if the pictures are of the same pond:
“OE, Did you see the 3 new photos we got today?   Is it the same pond you scanned?....please let me know....it's driving me crazy.... TIA...Destiny”

OE (Kyle) confirms that it is:
“Yes, it is certainly the same pond that we searched in February.”


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


  La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club
Helen Werleman & Manager of the Year,
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f61/maureen-martinez-helen-werleman-walter-kelly-recognized-la-cabana-10976/

Wasn't Werleman the name of Caps witness?  Jossy said it on Greta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
Janet,

Since that was reported to us via HotShot (thanks Blue Moon!), I have to question its validity.  Did that info really come from Jossy?

I still don't know what to think about Jossy and Eduardo's position with all of this.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Jen

I am inclined to believe that Eduardo must have spent a lot of time on board the Persistence when you consider Kyle Kingman's words.  Why would he include Eduardo in the following quote if he had not been a mainstay along with Tim Miller and Tim Trahan.

Hotshot's email from Jossy and ... Kyle Kingman's words in his post to the Natalee's Freebirds' site appear to confirm/support each other.

IMO

Janet

+++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.


JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:
  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman
:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/ThreadLock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 05:10:57 PM
Nimrod,

I want to ask you to think about something.  I know you missed a lot due to the horrible things you and yours were going thru, and I know how hard it is to try and catch up after so long a time away.

I know you don't believe what Kyle told us.

Here's the question I'd like you to entertain.

Why would Kyle lie to us, when he knew that a member of Natalee's family was with us?  That this family member would be reading/seeing everything he was about to share with us?

We all knew he wasn't just some anonymous internet poster with a "story" to tell.

This information was/is of such importance to her family, he HAD to know they would do something about it?

He had to know that his recounting of the facts could be/would be checked with others, reported to our law enforcement, etc.

He was very familiar with our blog (remember from emails long before he joined us about our disposal timeline/location for May 30th) - so he knew what we stood for, and what we could do with this information.

So - knowing those things, why would he lie directly to Natalee's family, and to us?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

I do not recall Kyle stating what his location on the ship was during the Aruba only divers on Jan. 7th.
I recall Kyle stating they did not know the ROV unit was filming them.
I recall Kyle stating he had the screenshots from that dive on his computer.



Kerm, I definitely recall Kyle saying that and I will look for it.....somewhere?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:14:26 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

IF the trap is of no importance, then why did he, Tim Trahan, Louis Schaerfer try to sell the footage?


Exactly!!

Janet
 
++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman 06/16/2008:
On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop.  Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

I do not recall Kyle stating what his location on the ship was during the Aruba only divers on Jan. 7th.
I recall Kyle stating they did not know the ROV unit was filming them.
I recall Kyle stating he had the screenshots from that dive on his computer.



Kerm, I definitely recall Kyle saying that and I will look for it.....somewhere?

Janet re-posted it above:

Tamikosmom link=topic=4633.msg711337#msg711337 date=1236632545]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:

I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:21:49 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

I do not recall Kyle stating what his location on the ship was during the Aruba only divers on Jan. 7th.
I recall Kyle stating they did not know the ROV unit was filming them.
I recall Kyle stating he had the screenshots from that dive on his computer.



Kerm, I definitely recall Kyle saying that and I will look for it.....somewhere?
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2093/kylekingmanaboardrvpers.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:22:47 PM
And another thing about Kyle: If finding out about what was in the cage was so important to him, why was he below deck on the Persistence all the time the Aruban divers were retrieving it's contents and was "speeding"  away, as he so dramatically said, when he finally came topsides? All boats "speed away" when they are heading back home. I've always been curious about that.

I do not recall Kyle stating what his location on the ship was during the Aruba only divers on Jan. 7th.
I recall Kyle stating they did not know the ROV unit was filming them.
I recall Kyle stating he had the screenshots from that dive on his computer.



Kerm, I definitely recall Kyle saying that and I will look for it.....somewhere?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast.  John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.  (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
Kyle said: I trust Jossy and Eduardo, but only because their agenda overlaps ours and Eduardo was a wonderful help. Although it seems complicated why, they do want the case solved.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:28:44 PM
Kyle said: I trust Jossy and Eduardo, but only because their agenda overlaps ours and Eduardo was a wonderful help. Although it seems complicated why, they do want the case solved.



 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 09, 2009, 05:29:08 PM
Everytime I peek in, I expect that Natalee Holloway will be at peace.  Those responsible for her disappearance on Aruba, will be held accountable.  Somehow, I don't think they ever will.  Natalee will remain a cloud over the island of Aruba.  She missed her plane, and never made it home.  Somehow, I don't think she ever will.  I hope I'm wrong.  jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:32:27 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 05:32:44 PM
Nimrod,

I want to ask you to think about something.  I know you missed a lot due to the horrible things you and yours were going thru, and I know how hard it is to try and catch up after so long a time away.

I know you don't believe what Kyle told us.

Here's the question I'd like you to entertain.

Why would Kyle lie to us, when he knew that a member of Natalee's family was with us?  That this family member would be reading/seeing everything he was about to share with us?

We all knew he wasn't just some anonymous internet poster with a "story" to tell.

This information was/is of such importance to her family, he HAD to know they would do something about it?

He had to know that his recounting of the facts could be/would be checked with others, reported to our law enforcement, etc.

He was very familiar with our blog (remember from emails long before he joined us about our disposal timeline/location for May 30th) - so he knew what we stood for, and what we could do with this information.

So - knowing those things, why would he lie directly to Natalee's family, and to us?

Jen, I think Kyle said things to us that he thought we wanted to hear and things that would make him feel important and in control of things (which he wasn't). I really believe he was saying things that were 1/3rd truths and 2/3rd opinions. He was unable to close the deal in selling the video and with contacting Natalee's family and was looking to the Freebirds for their support and help. I remember when I was a young man and attempted to do things that were over my head or beyond my capibility.  IMO, That was Kyle.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence(http://scaredmonkeys.net/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)

If you think Nothing is was the trap, they ALL went for a boondoggel on board the RV Persistence?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)

If you think Nothing is was the trap, so they ALL went for a boon doggel on board the RV Persistence


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:37:49 PM
Kyle said: " I can't imagine what the family is going through. Over the past several months I have stood witness to a lot. I found myself in a very awkward place of knowing a lot, but not enough, but perhaps too much


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
Nimrod,

I want to ask you to think about something.  I know you missed a lot due to the horrible things you and yours were going thru, and I know how hard it is to try and catch up after so long a time away.

I know you don't believe what Kyle told us.

Here's the question I'd like you to entertain.

Why would Kyle lie to us, when he knew that a member of Natalee's family was with us?  That this family member would be reading/seeing everything he was about to share with us?

We all knew he wasn't just some anonymous internet poster with a "story" to tell.

This information was/is of such importance to her family, he HAD to know they would do something about it?

He had to know that his recounting of the facts could be/would be checked with others, reported to our law enforcement, etc.

He was very familiar with our blog (remember from emails long before he joined us about our disposal timeline/location for May 30th) - so he knew what we stood for, and what we could do with this information.

So - knowing those things, why would he lie directly to Natalee's family, and to us?

Jen, I think Kyle said things to us that he thought we wanted to hear and things that would make him feel important and in control of things (which he wasn't). I really believe he was saying things that were 1/3rd truths and 2/3rd opinions. He was unable to close the deal in selling the video and with contacting Natalee's family and was looking to the Freebirds for their support and help. I remember when I was a young man and attempted to do things that were over my head or beyond my capibility.  IMO, That was Kyle.

Fair enough.  And thank you for taking the time to think about it and answer.

I disagree, but that's ok.  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't see a mean spirited person in Kyle - which, IMO, he certainly would have to be to create a story (or embellish one) in the face of Natalee's family regarding her remains.

That's some heavy stuff there, and that would be playing with fire..............and could make his name "Mud" in his industry in a heartbeat.

Is he arrogant?  Absolutely.

Is he good at what he does?  Undoubtedly.

Did he lie or embellish about something so massive and so emotionally fuelled?  Doubtful.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 05:41:33 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Not really!!!!!????????  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 09, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Not really!!!!!????????  ::MonkeyEek::


What???

Someone please expound on this a bit.

Balmy 80 degrees and I have spring fever, lol.  Finding a nap is where it is at all day long today. 

But this got my attention.

Also, LOL at young Kyle and his bulletin that Tim Miller drinks.

I would rather Tim be the one searching for me if I were missing regardless of his condition than anybody else.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 09, 2009, 05:46:17 PM
FYI - Beth speaking tonight - NASHVILLE, Tenn.

Quote
Monday night, she tells parents "the story no one should have to tell, but everyone must hear."

The program titled "Remember Natalee" begins at 6:30 p.m. at the Ensworth High School Theater.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9971563 (http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9971563)

Will you remember me when I go away on spring break?  Hug your children like it's the last time you'll ever see them.  Sometimes, it is.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:49:52 PM

Jen, I think Kyle said things to us that he thought we wanted to hear and things that would make him feel important and in control of things  (which he wasn't). I really believe he was saying things that were 1/3rd truths and 2/3rd opinions. He was unable to close the deal in selling the video and with contacting Natalee's family and was looking to the Freebirds for their support and help. I remember when I was a young man and attempted to do things that were over my head or beyond my capibility.  IMO, That was Kyle.

Nimrod

Kyle Kingman is an adult.  Kyle Kingman is a university graduate.  Kyle Kingman has a professional career in oceanography.  Kyle Kingman owns his own company.  Kyle Kingman is a husband.  Kyle Kingman is a father.  Kyle Kingman held a professional position on board the Persistence ... a position that encompassed his expertise of operating ROVs and analysing the resulting images.  Above all ... Kyle is a professing Christian.

Kyle Kingman's words in his posts to the Natalee's Freebirds' site either reveal the truth of the John Silvetti betrayal to Natalee Holloways family or ... he is the grandfather of all liars.  No in between.

If Kyle Kingman is the grandfather of all liars ... then why is John Silvetti affording him ongoing career opportunities.  Logic dictates if Kyle Kingmans would are lies ... he would be on the receiving end of a defamation lawsuit.

If Kyle Kingman's words are to be believed ... why is John Silvetti being upheld.

Janet

+++++++++

 

Keepthefaith ... it is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers (Kermit/Natalee's Freebirds/Monkeys) must be discredited.

Janet

++++++++++


iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM
»

If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS. There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help. I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804
« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »

This was posted at BFN by LegallyLex who is Silvetti's sister:


http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.msg408940#msg408940

Quote from: LegallyLex on March 02, 2009, 12:46:20 PM

And I would again like to thank the Persistence and their crew for their selfless acts during the search along with Mr. Schaeffer who funded the search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg699240#msg699240


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 09, 2009, 05:51:48 PM
Bajan media ignores attack on women
Online site only outlet to speak out for Schwarzfeld
 
By Bruce Ward, The Ottawa CitizenMarch 9, 2009


Quote
The Free Press also urged concerned Bajans to “remember the lessons of Natalee Holloway.”

Holloway, an 18-year-old American, disappeared during a high-school graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen outside a nightclub at about 1:30 a.m. on May 30, 2005. Although three men were arrested in connection with her disappearance, no charges were laid. Aruban authorities concluded that Holloway is most likely dead.

“For Aruba,” the Free Press said, “the damage resulted from the government and police response to her disappearance … in a word, the perception was ‘cover-up.’ ”

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Bajan+media+ignores+attack+women/1368249/story.html (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Bajan+media+ignores+attack+women/1368249/story.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Not really!!!!!????????  ::MonkeyEek::


What???

Someone please expound on this a bit.

Balmy 80 degrees and I have spring fever, lol.  Finding a nap is where it is at all day long today. 

But this got my attention.

Also, LOL at young Kyle and his bulletin that Tim Miller drinks.

I would rather Tim be the one searching for me if I were missing regardless of his condition than anybody else.

JMO

I feel certain Kerm has these, and more....but here's some on that judge and his actions in this case:


Judge J.S. Kuiperdal  will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said. Prosecutors asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until June 15, when they hope to conclude their investigation.
http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/articleC9EA0BE766874EA4A0B051B9B0C8239F.asp

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal  is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html



JUDGE KUIPERDAL HAD APPARENTLY SAT THE ARUBAN BENCH
ALONG WITH PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

De functie 'Lid' van 'Aruba' wordt vervuld door: (translated this means:
The function ' member ' of ' Aruba ' is fulfilled.
* mw. mr. E.M.D. Angela
* mw. mr. P. de Bruin
* mr. J.S. Kuiperdal  
* mr. P.A.H. Lemaire
* mr. P.A.J. van der Sloot  
* mr. C. Slothouber
http://almanak.overheid.nl/2203/Lid/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 05:54:39 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Beth Holloway stated that everyone was connected on that Island.  So Helen Lejuez ... the family's attorney on the Island ... works from the same firm as the judge whose ruling has favored the main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo.

Do I have that right Kermit?

Ribbit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 05:57:26 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Wow!Destiny talks to Helen? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 05:57:45 PM
FYI - Beth speaking tonight - NASHVILLE, Tenn.

Quote
Monday night, she tells parents "the story no one should have to tell, but everyone must hear."

The program titled "Remember Natalee" begins at 6:30 p.m. at the Ensworth High School Theater.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9971563 (http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9971563)

Will you remember me when I go away on spring break?  Hug your children like it's the last time you'll ever see them.  Sometimes, it is.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Yes, I posted this info in the forum this morning. Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Wow!Destiny talks to Helen? ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 06:00:40 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?

And....Caps witness is a Werleman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 09, 2009, 06:01:20 PM
Nimrod,

I want to ask you to think about something.  I know you missed a lot due to the horrible things you and yours were going thru, and I know how hard it is to try and catch up after so long a time away.

I know you don't believe what Kyle told us.

Here's the question I'd like you to entertain.

Why would Kyle lie to us, when he knew that a member of Natalee's family was with us?  That this family member would be reading/seeing everything he was about to share with us?

We all knew he wasn't just some anonymous internet poster with a "story" to tell.

This information was/is of such importance to her family, he HAD to know they would do something about it?

He had to know that his recounting of the facts could be/would be checked with others, reported to our law enforcement, etc.

He was very familiar with our blog (remember from emails long before he joined us about our disposal timeline/location for May 30th) - so he knew what we stood for, and what we could do with this information.

So - knowing those things, why would he lie directly to Natalee's family, and to us?

Jen, I think Kyle said things to us that he thought we wanted to hear and things that would make him feel important and in control of things (which he wasn't). I really believe he was saying things that were 1/3rd truths and 2/3rd opinions. He was unable to close the deal in selling the video and with contacting Natalee's family and was looking to the Freebirds for their support and help. I remember when I was a young man and attempted to do things that were over my head or beyond my capibility.  IMO, That was Kyle.

Fair enough.  And thank you for taking the time to think about it and answer.

I disagree, but that's ok.  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't see a mean spirited person in Kyle - which, IMO, he certainly would have to be to create a story (or embellish one) in the face of Natalee's family regarding her remains.

That's some heavy stuff there, and that would be playing with fire..............and could make his name "Mud" in his industry in a heartbeat.

Is he arrogant?  Absolutely.

Is he good at what he does?  Undoubtedly.

Did he lie or embellish about something so massive and so emotionally fuelled?  Doubtful.

Is an opinion a lie? If so, we are all guilty. Maybe Kyle hadn't learned what IMO meant yet. Jen, I don't like what the Persistence did one bit re: donations, etc. IF they conspired with Aruba, then hang 'em.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 06:01:36 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Beth Holloway stated that everyone was connected on that Island.  So Helen Lejuez ... the family's attorney on the Island ... works from the same firm as the judge whose ruling has favored the main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo.

Do I have that right Kermit?

Ribbit.

Janet


NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY:
I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 06:03:02 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::  -   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 06:03:54 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Wow!Destiny talks to Helen? ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so  ::MonkeyCool::

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 06:06:12 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Wow!Destiny talks to Helen? ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so  ::MonkeyCool::

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.



You peel away another layer of the onion and get a little SICKER...JMOO ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 06:06:20 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Wow!Destiny talks to Helen? ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so  ::MonkeyCool::

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.



I know it doesn't mean anything, but there's only one in the aruban phone book....there's a lot of Werlemans with or without a hyphenated surname.  This is the one I just found.

Werleman Helen Elvira     
 
Malmokweg 14
 
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=werleman&page=5


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 06:07:28 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






Only one of these, too.   ::MonkeyWink::

Werleman Aureen A     
 
Seroe Pita 43

http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=werleman&page=3
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 06:15:48 PM

Is an opinion a lie? If so, we are all guilty. Maybe Kyle hadn't learned what IMO meant yet. Jen, I don't like what the Persistence did one bit re: donations, etc. IF they conspired with Aruba, then hang 'em.


nimrod

Detective wannabes akin to Tamikosmom required an IMO following their theories, speculations and contentions.  However ... Kyle Kingman is not a detective wannabe ... he had the priviledge of observing a first hand account of many of the happenings encompassing the John Silvetti betrayal while on board the Persistence.  Kyle Kingman was present on board the Persistence on the January 7, 2008 chain of custody that involved only the Aruban divers.

IMO ... Kyle Kingman's posts to the Natalee's Freebirds' site do not required an IMO.

Janet

++++++

Topic: THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP (DOCUMENT)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0




 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 06:17:02 PM
Kyle said: " I can't imagine what the family is going through. Over the past several months I have stood witness to a lot. I found myself in a very awkward place of knowing a lot, but not enough, but perhaps too much


Here's the biggest thing I don't like about Kyle:

Why didn't Kyle go ahead and forward the 12/30 and 1/7 pictures to the FBI?  He could have done that right after watching the divers' boat pull away.  He surely sent them electronically on the 29th.  Why not send to the same address on 1/7?  He didn't have to tell anyone or ask anyone.  Include a message, "I'm sending these secretly, I could get fired for this.." and click Send.  It's the FBI for crying out loud, they'd understand that.

If he was so worried about what was in the trap why didn't he send the pictures to the FBI? 

Instead he's playing bigshot on some messageboards soaking up the attention and admiration.  I don't condemn him for it, but I can't be blind to it either. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal
Firm: C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address: PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman


Are there a lot of  Helen Werleman's in Aruba?


Wow!Destiny talks to Helen? ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so  ::MonkeyCool::

A leak said Destiny's contact in Aruba is Helen Werleman.



I believe the leak LIED.  That is not the name that Destiny told me many times in emails.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2009, 06:17:38 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






 ::MonkeyCool::  ok


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






 ::MonkeyCool::  ok

So the Frog got it right? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 09, 2009, 06:22:29 PM
Nimrod,

I want to ask you to think about something.  I know you missed a lot due to the horrible things you and yours were going thru, and I know how hard it is to try and catch up after so long a time away.

I know you don't believe what Kyle told us.

Here's the question I'd like you to entertain.

Why would Kyle lie to us, when he knew that a member of Natalee's family was with us?  That this family member would be reading/seeing everything he was about to share with us?

We all knew he wasn't just some anonymous internet poster with a "story" to tell.

This information was/is of such importance to her family, he HAD to know they would do something about it?

He had to know that his recounting of the facts could be/would be checked with others, reported to our law enforcement, etc.

He was very familiar with our blog (remember from emails long before he joined us about our disposal timeline/location for May 30th) - so he knew what we stood for, and what we could do with this information.

So - knowing those things, why would he lie directly to Natalee's family, and to us?

Jen, I think Kyle said things to us that he thought we wanted to hear and things that would make him feel important and in control of things (which he wasn't). I really believe he was saying things that were 1/3rd truths and 2/3rd opinions. He was unable to close the deal in selling the video and with contacting Natalee's family and was looking to the Freebirds for their support and help. I remember when I was a young man and attempted to do things that were over my head or beyond my capibility.  IMO, That was Kyle.

Fair enough.  And thank you for taking the time to think about it and answer.

I disagree, but that's ok.  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't see a mean spirited person in Kyle - which, IMO, he certainly would have to be to create a story (or embellish one) in the face of Natalee's family regarding her remains.

That's some heavy stuff there, and that would be playing with fire..............and could make his name "Mud" in his industry in a heartbeat.

Is he arrogant?  Absolutely.

Is he good at what he does?  Undoubtedly.

Did he lie or embellish about something so massive and so emotionally fuelled?  Doubtful.

Is an opinion a lie? If so, we are all guilty. Maybe Kyle hadn't learned what IMO meant yet. Jen, I don't like what the Persistence did one bit re: donations, etc. IF they conspired with Aruba, then hang 'em.

I don't doubt kyle's accounting of what transpired surrounding that cage.

I also don't doubt his (and Tim Miller's) assertions of what they had found - human remains.

Were those remains Natalee's?  I don't know that we will ever know one way or the other.

We're looking now to see if any/all had conspired with Aruba - to the tune of pay-offs/bribes.

We KNOW Schaefer solicited donations to HIMSELF in an underhanded and sneaky way (Thanks HotPing!)

We KNOW Silvetti met with someone from AHATA (thanks to Dave)

We KNOW not a one of 'em reported anything to the FBI or to Natalee's family.

That alone tells me there was some conspiring going on - to what degree, we don't yet know.

And we have Lala's Mom saying their endeavor was two-fold, with the main purpose being oil related.

Don't worry my friend - if we find it, we'll hang 'em!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 06:31:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53683.php

Weather Petrobras interested in acquisition Valero
March 9, 2009, 16:13 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - The Brazilian state oil company Petrobras has renewed interest in the Valero refinery. The takeover failed last year, now appears due to internal conflict.

It reports the international news agency Reuters. Valero, both Aruba and from headquarters in San Antonio itself, would like nothing more months lost on potential buyers, except that new buyers. In November last year this newspaper reported that the Colombian Ecopetrol and Petro China, the Chinese would be interested in a takeover. Delegations from these companies visited the refinery in San Nicolas. Recently chaired the Government including Prime Minister Nelson Oduber with a delegation of Petro China to the table. This conversation was particularly informative in nature, the Chinese company wanted to know more about licensing and taxation of Aruba. Also on the agenda was the argument that the government has to pay Valero BBO tax. Petro China is now third visit to the refinery planned.

Reuters reports that the reason that the sale of Petrobras the last time was rejected, an internal conflict related. Unofficially, the over all, but when the papers were signed, the Brazilian company pulled back suddenly. An official reason was never given. A major fire in January last year in one of the vacuum unit of the refinery which they did in May return to full power could run, threw a spanner in the first instance in the food. The negotiations were put stop, but were resumed in May after which a few months later through an internal mail to the managers were informed that the refinery was sold. The latter proved so the next day is no longer correct.
The conflict within rooms now seems to have resolved that an acquisition of the Aruba refinery late last year back on the agenda of Petrobras is put.

Valero said the refinery would sell if they are a good price for it. Some time back was speculated that the Aruban Valero establishment would close if not sold would be. Spokesman Bill Day said earlier that one of the options, but there are no critical deadline is. Also on Day sale was a blow to the arm because the refinery is still making a profit. But he said that the site less attractive for Valero and the company better compete elsewhere. Valero hit since the introduction of sales tax BBO in conflict with the government to pay tax. An announced investment of over one billion florin in the refinery - needed for high quality diesel products for the U.S. domestic manufacturing - the tax was no more conflict.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 06:38:30 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)

If you think Nothing is was the trap, so they ALL went for a boon doggel on board the RV Persistence



DECEMBER 30, 2007 - ON BOARD MEETING  

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.

Kyle Kingman: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle Kingman: This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 09, 2009, 06:39:50 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD?? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario




So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD?? ::MonkeyShocked::

One would think it would be.

I for one never trusted Helen because she was just too damn close to the case.  Her brother represented one of the other suspects.  I never had great confidence in her ability.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 09, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD?? ::MonkeyShocked::
Yes, it would be BAD .............. but it sure as heck wouldn't be surprising! Everyone is related one way or another -- even Dompig is the uncle to the Kalpoes!!!!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 06:54:00 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






So is Aureen a relative of Helen werleman-Lejuez??

"IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD?? ::MonkeyShocked::
Yes, it would be BAD .............. but it sure as heck wouldn't be surprising! Everyone is related one way or another -- even Dompig is the uncle to the Kalpoes!!!!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 9:15 a.m. PT, Fri., April. 7, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

TWITTY: Well, you know, it‘s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


On the Record w/ Greta
You Know You're Tired When...
Thursday, May 25, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN:  As most of you know, Guido Wever, age 19, was arrested in Holland last week in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. He has been released. Here is a small news item: He is related to a frequent guest on our show — Arlene Ellis-Schipper. I was told they are cousins, but I don't know if that is first, second ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196974,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53695.php


Google translation:

Curaçao
Judge Bob Wit: "Feature PG politicized '
March 9, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)


WILLEM CITY - Judge Bob Wit of the Caribbean Court of Justice finds that the proposed rijkswet for the Public Ministry of the function of the Attorney General is highly politicized. That White writes in a letter to Lower House John Leerdam (PvdA). This criticism from White on the actions and statements of the Dutch government and parliament on the Antilles and Aruba. "Can the current situation in the PG against a Minister of Justice say that he found it improper command characters want, and then mandated that he will not perform until the Court has ruled that he should do it," asks White wondered. "St. Maarten, the so-called "pirate island" in its constitution states that its Minister of Justice by the Rijkswet space will not get. Curaçao has such a clause are not made, so that, with the blessing of the Netherlands, more possibilities for political influence compared to the PG, "says White.

The letter of Belarus is integral 'Commentary' on the website.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 07:06:26 PM

Jen, I think Kyle was telling the truth in most of his statements surrounding the cage as well.  I say most, because I think the thing about the divers not knowing he was filming them was the typical Kyle kind of "spin", not really an embellishment.  I doubt it was ever discussed - they dove from their boat and returned to their boat.  I don't think Kyle knew what they thought, but it sounded better if they didn't know.  jmo

Here's where its at for me - I'd love to know who all knew before the January 7th dive that it would be taking place.  If Richardson or the head of the dive division (or even Mos) contacted Silvetti and told him they'd be there to dive on the 7th - who did Silvetti tell?  Did he let anybody know?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 09, 2009, 07:09:56 PM
correction:
it's Aureen werleman at Diario






 ::MonkeyCool::  ok

sorry bout that, but the good news is I had not made that connection, if there is one, to Helen Werleman and Judge Kuperdiale. (sp).



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 09, 2009, 07:19:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53695.php


Google translation:

Curaçao
Judge Bob Wit: "Feature PG politicized '
March 9, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)


WILLEM CITY - Judge Bob Wit of the Caribbean Court of Justice finds that the proposed rijkswet for the Public Ministry of the function of the Attorney General is highly politicized. That White writes in a letter to Lower House John Leerdam (PvdA). This criticism from White on the actions and statements of the Dutch government and parliament on the Antilles and Aruba. "Can the current situation in the PG against a Minister of Justice say that he found it improper command characters want, and then mandated that he will not perform until the Court has ruled that he should do it," asks White wondered. "St. Maarten, the so-called "pirate island" in its constitution states that its Minister of Justice by the Rijkswet space will not get. Curaçao has such a clause are not made, so that, with the blessing of the Netherlands, more possibilities for political influence compared to the PG, "says White.

The letter of Belarus is integral 'Commentary' on the website.

I don't understand Wit's criticism, but I get that he's criticizing. 

Whats a rijkswet?    ::MonkeyConfused::

Or are Rudy's boys just falling into line?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53695.php


Google translation:

Curaçao
Judge Bob Wit: "Feature PG politicized '
March 9, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)


WILLEM CITY - Judge Bob Wit of the Caribbean Court of Justice finds that the proposed rijkswet for the Public Ministry of the function of the Attorney General is highly politicized. That White writes in a letter to Lower House John Leerdam (PvdA). This criticism from White on the actions and statements of the Dutch government and parliament on the Antilles and Aruba. "Can the current situation in the PG against a Minister of Justice say that he found it improper command characters want, and then mandated that he will not perform until the Court has ruled that he should do it," asks White wondered. "St. Maarten, the so-called "pirate island" in its constitution states that its Minister of Justice by the Rijkswet space will not get. Curaçao has such a clause are not made, so that, with the blessing of the Netherlands, more possibilities for political influence compared to the PG, "says White.

The letter of Belarus is integral 'Commentary' on the website.

I don't understand Wit's criticism, but I get that he's criticizing. 

Whats a rijkswet?    ::MonkeyConfused::

Or are Rudy's boys just falling into line?



I think it may be like a treaty.

Maritime claims
The "Rijkswet" of December 12, 1985,for the Maritime Boundaries between The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and the Maritime Boundaries Treaty signed March 31, 1978, between the Republic of Venezuela and the Kingdom of the Netherlands, introduced December 12, 1978, and valid for Aruba since January 1, 1986.

Territorial sea: 12 nm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 09, 2009, 07:44:09 PM
Well ... the house is tidy.   I have dinner in the oven ... beef, potatoes and vegetables ... in the roasting pan.

I am about to don the 3/4 length sweater that Magnolia knitted for me lickity split and take Brandi for a walk.

Hubby will never suspect when he gets home from work that I have spent all day on the computer.  Hey ... he may suspect but he cannot prove it.

  ::cartwheel::

Later Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 07:46:09 PM
Yes, Magnolia, I think so, too....if not treaty, then maybe an act or amendment.  (you were quicker)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 07:51:05 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:00:34 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 08:05:12 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::  (I've had an urge to post this since this afternoon)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:08:47 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::  (I've had an urge to post this since this afternoon)

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
28 more posts  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: MuffyBee on March 09, 2009, 08:21:15 PM
27 more posts...

Good evening monks ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:23:21 PM
27 more posts...

Good evening monks ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Muffy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 08:32:47 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:37:20 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 08:41:23 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 08:44:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53695.php


Google translation:

Curaçao
Judge Bob Wit: "Feature PG politicized '
March 9, 2009, 16:47 (GMT -04:00)


WILLEM CITY - Judge Bob Wit of the Caribbean Court of Justice finds that the proposed rijkswet for the Public Ministry of the function of the Attorney General is highly politicized. That White writes in a letter to Lower House John Leerdam (PvdA). This criticism from White on the actions and statements of the Dutch government and parliament on the Antilles and Aruba. "Can the current situation in the PG against a Minister of Justice say that he found it improper command characters want, and then mandated that he will not perform until the Court has ruled that he should do it," asks White wondered. "St. Maarten, the so-called "pirate island" in its constitution states that its Minister of Justice by the Rijkswet space will not get. Curaçao has such a clause are not made, so that, with the blessing of the Netherlands, more possibilities for political influence compared to the PG, "says White.

The letter of Belarus is integral 'Commentary' on the website.

I don't understand Wit's criticism, but I get that he's criticizing. 

Whats a rijkswet?    ::MonkeyConfused::

Or are Rudy's boys just falling into line?


Sorry, I posted and ran...got called back to work to print some reports for a meeting!

Thanks to Magnolia and 2NJ!  I didn't understand it either!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
27 more posts...

Good evening monks ::MonkeyCool::

Hi MuffeyBee!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 08:46:05 PM
Well ... the house is tidy.   I have dinner in the oven ... beef, potatoes and vegetables ... in the roasting pan.

I am about to don the 3/4 length sweater that Magnolia knitted for me lickity split and take Brandi for a walk.

Hubby will never suspect when he gets home from work that I have spent all day on the computer.  Hey ... he may suspect but he cannot prove it.

  ::cartwheel::

Later Monkeys

Janet
4:45 PM PT

 

Good job Janet!  He'll never guess!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 08:47:24 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:49:54 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I was very busy today. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 08:49:59 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

Good for you!! ::MonkeyCool::

Everybody needs to play hooky every once in a while. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 08:51:27 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I was very busy today. 

A likely story. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:52:14 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

Good for you!! ::MonkeyCool::

Everybody needs to play hooky every once in a while. ::MonkeyDance::

Go figure.  I never played hooky in school.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 08:52:23 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I was very busy today. 

You know I was just kidding.  It was dreary for most of the day here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:56:11 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I was very busy today. 

A likely story. ::MonkeyHaHa::

COPY COPY COPY COPY COPY COPY.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 08:56:33 PM
We have a family wedding coming up.  I found out the bride & groom are going to one crappy island on their honeymoon.     ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:57:26 PM
San,

Will you be around if we get to 50 before your bedtime?  I set up for it, but may have an interruption or two. 



I will be around.

How come you were off work today?  Not sick are you?

No I'm fine Magnolia.

I played hooky but don't tell anyone.

(http://bestsmileys.com/talking/16.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I was very busy today. 

You know I was just kidding.  It was dreary for most of the day here.

I know you were kidding.  I was a dreary day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 08:58:17 PM
We have a family wedding coming up.  I found out the bride & groom are going to one crappy island on their honeymoon.     ::MonkeyWaa::

What a shame they have to waste their money like that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
Magnolia quick go to the new thread I unlocked it for you.  Hurry hurry hurry  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
We have a family wedding coming up.  I found out the bride & groom are going to one crappy island on their honeymoon.     ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 09:04:41 PM
We have a family wedding coming up.  I found out the bride & groom are going to one crappy island on their honeymoon.     ::MonkeyWaa::


::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Send them to the Murder & Crime thread.

I'm posting a story shortly about an armed robbery in a HOME.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If they rent a car, and insurance against theft is available; they better buy it.  More cars stolen and taken apart than I've ever seen in my life!

I don't post everything I see in there, some of the articles I can't understand well enough to know what happened.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 09:05:23 PM
I not only play hooky I cheat too  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Magnolia quick go to the new thread I unlocked it for you.  Hurry hurry hurry  ::MonkeyWink::

Well, that's one step I don't have to do.  Was just going there. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 09:06:40 PM
Magnolia quick go to the new thread I unlocked it for you.  Hurry hurry hurry  ::MonkeyWink::

Well, that's one step I don't have to do.  Was just going there. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  OK you locking?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
I not only play hooky I cheat too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are so bad, San.....but I followed right along and cheated something awful! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
We have a family wedding coming up.  I found out the bride & groom are going to one crappy island on their honeymoon.     ::MonkeyWaa::


::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Send them to the Murder & Crime thread.

I'm posting a story shortly about an armed robbery in a HOME.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If they rent a car, and insurance against theft is available; they better buy it.  More cars stolen and taken apart than I've ever seen in my life!

I don't post everything I see in there, some of the articles I can't understand well enough to know what happened.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I know you have been updating that thread.   The brides aunt told me.....I didn't get any details of who, what, where or why. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: San on March 09, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
I not only play hooky I cheat too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are so bad, San.....but I followed right along and cheated something awful! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Robots taught us well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 09, 2009, 09:08:40 PM
I nearly missed my chance.  I was watching Dancing with the Stars.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kejr3j-1.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 09:09:13 PM
Magnolia quick go to the new thread I unlocked it for you.  Hurry hurry hurry  ::MonkeyWink::

Well, that's one step I don't have to do.  Was just going there. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  OK you locking?

I will.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 09, 2009, 09:09:53 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to NCD# 806

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4656.0