Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09

[Anna]

What was that signal Tim "Lighttanks" Trehan gave the second he touched bottom?  I think it was thumbs down?  That's my vote.

[Kermit]

I'm sorry if this is a repeat.

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PetroChina, Petrobras pursue Aruba refinery-sources
Reuters - Saturday, March 7(Adds Ecopetrol interest, paragraph 2; Valero comment, paragraph 5; background, paragraphs 10-18; byline)


By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON, March 6 - Top Asian oil and natural gas producer PetroChina <PTR.N> <0857.HK> <601857.SS> and Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras <PBR.N> <PETR4.SA> were seen as potential bidders for Valero Energy Corp's <VLO.N> refinery in Aruba, sources familiar with Valero's attempts to sell the refinery said on Friday.

Colombia's state-run oil company Ecopetrol <ECO.CN> <EC.N> was also interested in the 275,000 barrel per day refinery Valero put up for sale in November 2007, said another source familiar with the matter.

PetroChina's interest has been known for sometime on the island off Venezuela's coast and was even reported in a local newspaper, according to the sources.

Petrobras renewed its interest in the refinery late last year after pursuing a sale early in 2008 that ended after a January fire at the plant.

"More than one company has expressed an interest in the refinery," said Valero spokesman Bill Day, who declined to identify any of the interested companies.

Representatives from PetroChina and Ecopetrol were not immediately available. A spokeswoman for Petrobras said the company had no immediate comment.

Representatives from PetroChina have twice toured the refinery, the sources said, and a third visit had been scheduled.

PetroChina officials have also met government officials to discuss an exemption for the refinery from Aruba's 28-percent tax rate that expires at the end of 2010 and a tax dispute underway with Valero.

"Valero and the government can't come to agreement on the tax issue, so Valero wants to sell," one of the sources said.

Valero and Aruba are arbitrating a dispute over an additional tax the government placed on the refinery.

Valero has said it wants to sell the Aruba refinery because it cannot make finished gasoline for the U.S. market without further expensive upgrades. The company says it has already put $500 million into the plant.

Valero ships intermediate feedstock from Aruba to its U.S. Gulf Coast and East Coast refineries.

Valero's asking price, thought to be between $1 billion and $2 billion, for a refinery requiring additional billions in improvements, and the tax issues are thought to be the biggest stumbling blocks to a sale, the sources said.

Day declined to discuss a price tag for the refinery purchased for $495 million in 2004.

"We're considering our options," Day said. "We don't have to sell. If we don't get a good offer, we'll keep it."

Beginning in 2007, Petrobras pursued a purchase of the Aruba refinery.

A sale to Petrobras was due to be announced in January 2008, but was put on hold when one of the refinery's crude distillation vacuum units was heavily damaged in a late January fire. The entire refinery was shut for about two weeks and the crude unit returned to service at the end of May 2008.

Due to an internal dispute within Petrobras, the company dropped its plans to acquire the Aruba refinery and temporarily stalled in its effort to acquire complete ownership of a 100,000 bpd Pasadena, Texas, refinery.

With the internal disagreement resolved, Petrobras is renewing its interest in the Aruba refinery, the sources. (Additional reporting by Brian Ellsworth in Caracas; Editing by Christian Wiessner)

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20090306/tbs-valero-aruba-sale-7318940.html?printer=1

Since Kermit just reposted a smidgeon about Petrobas, I thought I'd bring this forward.  Looks like there are 3 oil/gas entities interested in Valero at the moment.  Seems owners of offshore vessels have lotsa opportunity to win contract bids. 

Yes isn't that interesting. Also Superior Offshore SOLD another vessel Gulf Diver IV, but I can't find who bought it.

[San]

To ban or not to ban 

Hit the button.

[Keepthefaith]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!

Come on down johann

post your proof that according to you I am lying and Dave Holloway doesn't have the information.


DO IT!





 

WE ARE STILL PATIENTLY WAITING JOHAN555..SHOULD I START A COUNTDOWN??? WHO'S GOT THE TICK-TOCK CLOCK.....

[johan555]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!

Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !

[Kermit]

come on johann SHOW YOUR PROOF I am not telling the truth about Dave Holloway ACCORDING TO YOU not having the information

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

LETS DO IT BIG BOY!

[Kermit]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!

Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !

NO NO MADE UP STORIES johann

SHOW ME YOUR PROOF!

COME ON

[klaasend]

By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

[texasmom]

Come on Johann, bring it...PROOF that is...I really need to go to the store!   

[texasmom]

By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

 

[Kermit]

COME ON JOHANN MAKE ME PROVE TO YOU I HAVE THE PROOF THAT DAVE HOLLOWAY HAS THE INFORMAITON/EVIDENCE ETC.

COME ON

I AM IN THE RIGHT MOOD TO DO IT

[klaasend]

Looks like Johan is going to pull a Kyle 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Come on Johann, bring it...PROOF that is...I really need to go to the store!   

Maybe he's

[Keepthefaith]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!

Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !

NO NO MADE UP STORIES johann

SHOW ME YOUR PROOF!

COME ON

JOHAN555....WHAT YA GONNA DO..YOUR CHARACTER,AS WELL AS INTEGRITY ARE ON THE LINE.................

[Magnolia]

By the time he answers (if ever) I'll look like this

You are still pretty cute....even if you are sweating like Paulus!

[Kermit]

don't you dare come in here johann and accuse anyone of something and not back it up.

[Tamikosmom]

 


'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Video 2 - December 30, 2007





Images: Kyle Kingman


Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

[Rob]

Sounds to me like Hotshit has finally had a day off from all her cadaver creating life saving and she's up to her ole crap.

pot / stir

[Keepthefaith]

COME ON JOHANN MAKE ME PROVE TO YOU I HAVE THE PROOF THAT DAVE HOLLOWAY HAS THE INFORMAITON/EVIDENCE ETC.

COME ON

I AM IN THE RIGHT MOOD TO DO IT

 

[Anna]

it is a question to Kermit very simple

What I do not understand
Why a new search in Aruba ?
Kermit has given new evidence and all the new information to the family
(she told me here that Dave has all the information )
Can Kermit give  me an answer?
thank you!

kermit said on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM

I am aware that PI saw the photos.
I am aware that Beth & Dave have the photos.
I am aware that the fbi has the photos.

Kermit said this Дейв имеет информацию > that means Dave heeft de informatie.
And that means :    Dave has the information

The information about content of the cage.

So my only question is Kermit : are you sure that you gave Dave,Beth  & the FBI  that information & evidence about the human remains in the cage ?
You told me here :Dave has the information

Obviously Johann you have some information that you have gathered to prove I have lied and that Dave doesn't have the information according to you.

So, I'll tell ya what big man.


You post your proof.

Then I'll post mine.

Come on let's do it big boy!

Oh you really want that ? are you sure ?

If i can choose for what you said here or what they said ,i choose for their story . very simple !

Who is this "they" and what did they say?