Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #84

[higherhopes]

Hey everybody.....just and ideal but I wonder if there isnt more to the JP Chatt rumor than what we thought and if this could be where the money for Casey's dream team is coming from......YOU NEVER KNOW.......
JP Chatts family is very wealthy… His father is Joseph Chatt and he is the Chairman of CaribEx worldwide…(In Puerto Rico) Joseph chatt Jr is the President of Caribbean.. Madeline Chatt (JP’s sister) is the Business Development and DR ops manager in Florida…I heard this is the Chatt’s business… I think I reqad that gross sales or profit was 87 million (need to find that link)
Also please note: there is a Cyndy Baez that also works there as a Billing/Inventory Control Specialist….. could she be kin to Jose?

Wow, HH, you're good!  And you've been busy!!!  Those are some very good points.  I always thought JB Chatt was the dad, based on his looks.

Also:  oh my goodness, your valentine avatar is just so adorable!

Karen

JB Chatt swears he never slept with Casey. But I'll bet he's lying.

I'll bet too......and getting a girl pregnant wouldnt set well with Jp's family at all....Ive done some reading up on them and they seem to be held with the highest regards and certainly wouldnt want it ot be known that someone like Casey had a child with their son and would want it kept quiet!

[Bearlyhere]

Actually IMO in the third 911 call Cindy behaves exactly as one would expect under the circumstances and it is the only time during this entire episode that I can recall where she exhibited normal emotions.  I have never seen her shed a tear although she was sobbing at the beginning of that 911 call.  But after that, it was as if an iron curtain descended and since then it has been pizza boxes and get off your ass and find my granddaughter.  One of the strangest was when she suggested that someone had put a body, not Caylee's, in the trunk of the car at the tow yard.     

This is what makes me think sometimes, that she was acting this out. Just a thought. She was so convincing in this call that her emotions were genuine, makes me think that she might have been putting on an act.

Just throwing this possibility out there.

Hi Brandi!  IMO, Cindy is too out of control to be a convincing actress.

Hey, Bearly!

At first I thought the same. Now I am not convinced either way. It's an interesting branch to hang on for a bit ...that Cindy was indeed acting in those calls.

She is much more out of control now than when we first saw her, though, IMHO.

Do you mean she knew there was a dead body in the trunk or she was just saying that for the shock value?

Yes, with this theory, Cindy would have known at this point that Caylee was dead and at least some of the particulars of the case. I am just saying that this angle is something to look at. It's possible, you know! This is one MESSED UP family! And this case has had more twists and turns in it than anyone could imagine. And there has to be more coming.

 

Thanks, B!

[higherhopes]

Hey everybody.....just and ideal but I wonder if there isnt more to the JP Chatt rumor than what we thought and if this could be where the money for Casey's dream team is coming from......YOU NEVER KNOW.......
JP Chatts family is very wealthy… His father is Joseph Chatt and he is the Chairman of CaribEx worldwide…(In Puerto Rico) Joseph chatt Jr is the President of Caribbean.. Madeline Chatt (JP’s sister) is the Business Development and DR ops manager in Florida…I heard this is the Chatt’s business… I think I reqad that gross sales or profit was 87 million (need to find that link)
Also please note: there is a Cyndy Baez that also works there as a Billing/Inventory Control Specialist….. could she be kin to Jose?

Wow, HH, you're good!  And you've been busy!!!  Those are some very good points.  I always thought JB Chatt was the dad, based on his looks.

Also:  oh my goodness, your valentine avatar is just so adorable!

Karen

JB Chatt swears he never slept with Casey. But I'll bet he's lying.

Also, didn't Amy say that JP Chatt did not like Casey?

Seems I remember her saying that.

I remember that too, but then he wouldnt like Casey if it was just a one night thing and she got pregnant on purpose knowing how wealthy his family was, and they would pay to keep it quiet Im sure......They are millionaires for crying out loud!

[klaasend]

Who is the girl doing the taping of Brian?

She looks remarkably like Casey.

CBB link me back to that post please, I forgot to bookmark the video site of Lee's.

[da sparkenator]

Hey everybody.....just and ideal but I wonder if there isnt more to the JP Chatt rumor than what we thought and if this could be where the money for Casey's dream team is coming from......YOU NEVER KNOW.......
JP Chatts family is very wealthy… His father is Joseph Chatt and he is the Chairman of CaribEx worldwide…(In Puerto Rico) Joseph chatt Jr is the President of Caribbean.. Madeline Chatt (JP’s sister) is the Business Development and DR ops manager in Florida…I heard this is the Chatt’s business… I think I reqad that gross sales or profit was 87 million (need to find that link)
Also please note: there is a Cyndy Baez that also works there as a Billing/Inventory Control Specialist….. could she be kin to Jose?

Wow, HH, you're good!  And you've been busy!!!  Those are some very good points.  I always thought JB Chatt was the dad, based on his looks.

Also:  oh my goodness, your valentine avatar is just so adorable!

Karen

JB Chatt swears he never slept with Casey. But I'll bet he's lying.

Also, didn't Amy say that JP Chatt did not like Casey?

Seems I remember her saying that.

Good to "see" you Brandi!

Aww you don't have to like each other to do "that"!  I've been married, I know this to be true (just kidding).

Perhaps JP doth protest too much, perhaps he denies it because he doesn't want anyone to know.  Or perhaps Casey treated him like the former police officer (remember the police officer said Casey was like the man, taking off afterwards)?

Karen

[klaasend]

Who is the girl doing the taping of Brian?

She looks remarkably like Casey.

CBB link me back to that post please, I forgot to bookmark the video site of Lee's.

I'll check back in the morning. 

GOODNIGHT ALL!

[Brandi]

Hey everybody.....just and ideal but I wonder if there isnt more to the JP Chatt rumor than what we thought and if this could be where the money for Casey's dream team is coming from......YOU NEVER KNOW.......
JP Chatts family is very wealthy… His father is Joseph Chatt and he is the Chairman of CaribEx worldwide…(In Puerto Rico) Joseph chatt Jr is the President of Caribbean.. Madeline Chatt (JP’s sister) is the Business Development and DR ops manager in Florida…I heard this is the Chatt’s business… I think I reqad that gross sales or profit was 87 million (need to find that link)
Also please note: there is a Cyndy Baez that also works there as a Billing/Inventory Control Specialist….. could she be kin to Jose?

Wow, HH, you're good!  And you've been busy!!!  Those are some very good points.  I always thought JB Chatt was the dad, based on his looks.

Also:  oh my goodness, your valentine avatar is just so adorable!

Karen

JB Chatt swears he never slept with Casey. But I'll bet he's lying.

Also, didn't Amy say that JP Chatt did not like Casey?

Seems I remember her saying that.

Good to "see" you Brandi!

Aww you don't have to like each other to do "that"!  I've been married, I know this to be true (just kidding).

Perhaps JP doth protest too much, perhaps he denies it because he doesn't want anyone to know.  Or perhaps Casey treated him like the former police officer (remember the police officer said Casey was like the man, taking off afterwards)?

Karen

heh .. all good points, Karen!

And howdy!

[Brandi]

Who is the girl doing the taping of Brian?

She looks remarkably like Casey.

CBB link me back to that post please, I forgot to bookmark the video site of Lee's.

I'll check back in the morning. 

GOODNIGHT ALL!

Hello and good night, Klaas!

[higherhopes]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

[shanfel]

Actually IMO in the third 911 call Cindy behaves exactly as one would expect under the circumstances and it is the only time during this entire episode that I can recall where she exhibited normal emotions.  I have never seen her shed a tear although she was sobbing at the beginning of that 911 call.  But after that, it was as if an iron curtain descended and since then it has been pizza boxes and get off your ass and find my granddaughter.  One of the strangest was when she suggested that someone had put a body, not Caylee's, in the trunk of the car at the tow yard.     

This is what makes me think sometimes, that she was acting this out. Just a thought. She was so convincing in this call that her emotions were genuine, makes me think that she might have been putting on an act.

Just throwing this possibility out there.

Hi Brandi!  IMO, Cindy is too out of control to be a convincing actress.

Hey, Bearly!

At first I thought the same. Now I am not convinced either way. It's an interesting branch to hang on for a bit ...that Cindy was indeed acting in those calls.

She is much more out of control now than when we first saw her, though, IMHO.

Do you mean she knew there was a dead body in the trunk or she was just saying that for the shock value?

Yes, with this theory, Cindy would have known at this point that Caylee was dead and at least some of the particulars of the case. I am just saying that this angle is something to look at. It's possible, you know! This is one MESSED UP family! And this case has had more twists and turns in it than anyone could imagine. And there has to be more coming.

 

Thanks, B!

The only thing I can think of is that on the night of the 15th, Caylee fell inot the pool during the CA/KC fight, or, that the fight was after CA found Caylee in the pool that night due to KC's negligence. At that point the whole family goes into cover-up mode...Cindy's blog about how "Caylee left her life the same way she came into her life" (paraphrasing) has always bothered me. I've heard this remark made when someone has died..not been taken by her mother. Maybe she came into her life because of her mothers mistakes and left her life because of her mothers mistakes?

Also they "what have you done?" CA is reported to have said to KC the night of the 911 calls also doesn't sit well. Maybe KC had threatened the family secret somehow and CA decided to get in the first offensive move...call in Casey...or maybe the plan all along was to send Casey out to CA with friends so that no one in FLA would ask about Caylee, (to Hawkins "I've alreadt talked to my mom and dad, and theres something I need to tell you." Talked the plan out with them?) and when the car was towed they realized she hadn't and the cover-up was in jeopardy? Or maybe the car was supposed to be found...but Casey wasn't?

In any case... they would feel confident in sacrficing Casey for a bit, thinking George as a former LE could find ways to get her off.

*shrug* That's all I got in the CA/GA knew department.

[da sparkenator]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

[Desdemona]

Hi Monkeys!

Just saying hello -- been reading for a long time and finally got caught up.

I want to say to Hudsunn and NoRoseCG (and others) that I agree with you that the HUGE family secret, whatever it may be, that seems to need protecting more than their beautiful precious little granddaughter, and more than truth and honor etc., has to be something pretty major.  Wonder if we will ever know?  What secret is so scary and potentially damaging to the Anthonys, that it is worth it to them to risk not only Caylee's life, but their own livelihood, their money/savings, their home, good name, public opinion, their daughter, and ultimately perhaps, their very freedom....?  It is said that we are only as sick as the secrets we keep.

Also, in Post #502 on this thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4332.msg607569#msg607569
JodyO points out that in the NE article posted by Klaasend (thank you!), KT's story seems to imply that Cindy knew Casey was pg earlier than Rick's story would indicate.
Though NE is perhaps not the best of sources, it's something to think about.  Cindy knowing Casey was pg, but PRETENDING in the face of all evidence NOT to know... well, that sounds like a dress rehearsal for what she's been doing since "Day One."

And in Post #526,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4332.msg607605#msg607605
Abbey09 hit upon something important:

How would Conway know what LE took from their house???  They weren't even home during the first search, they were on a plane.  I don't think LE is gonna share what they took, sooo that leaves open.....how did the Ants know there wasn't any duct tape unless they removed it themselves prior to the search.  Sounds suspicious

Re duct tape:  I also want to add to the Monkeys who have quoted Amy's message to Casey re "you lost my duct tape," that I read an exchange elsewhere (I think in IM records?) between Amy and Casey, discussing Amy's use of duct tape for her costume at the May 25 ABC party at "LakeVaj".  I believe that following that party, Casey was in possession of a role of gaff tape (or duct tape) that Amy had used for the party that night.

Happy New Year to all, and I really do enjoy lurking and reading here, even though catching up doesn't leave me much time to post....

 

[higherhopes]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

Also, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense, back when Casey was looking up kidnapping on the comp, what if she was thinking about staging a kidnapping to get money from JP's family, like asking him for the ransom money, and they prolly would have agreed to give it to her if she didnt say anything about who the babies father was, and something went wrong and Caylee ended up dead.........

[flossy]

Babybear, I agree completely that the only time we've seen (well, heard) true emotion from Cindy was in that 911 call.  I feel that it was true panic.  I don't know at what point she shifted gears, but I think the only way she could have would have been coming from a place of desperation - needing to believe the abduction story in order to survive. 

At some point before the body was found, I think she came to terms with the fact that Caylee was dead.  At that point, though, she was already on autopilot trying to save her daughter's ass - more in an attempt to alleviate her own guilt than anything else, in my opinion.

[Desdemona]

Aww you don't have to like each other to do "that"!  I've been married, I know this to be true (just kidding).

SPARKY!!!

    

[Fuzzball]

Listen to the last 911 tape from the house, the one where Cindy tells about the smell in the car, and she becomes hysterical.  She then is asked to get Casey on the phone, and then listen to Cindyin the background.  Unfortunately, when these tapes were transcribed, the transcriptionist did not transcribe that part, but you can hear it.

Good point. Histronic Personality Disorder. She's also got Dellusional Disorder. These can lead to abusive behavior to the children. Those behaviors originate with fear and are passed on from generation to generation. In many cases of child abuse the youngest are murdered.

Good morning, monkeys and guests!   

Cindy certainly seems to have a list personality disorders tucked up under her belt.  And yes, many of the behaviors do get passed on to future generations, in one form or another.  Casey seems to be a mini Cindy, only far worse. 

Interesting to me is observing how these things happen in the different generations.  And while none of it excuses Casey for what she most likely has done to Caylee, it does help to explain how things ended up so very badly in that family, with Caylee taking the brunt of it all. 

What I'd like to know is how Cindy got the way she is!  We haven't heard much about her parents, their behaviors and relationship.  Oddly enough, of the three women (mother, grandmother, g.grandmother) Cindy's mother (from what little we do know) seems to be the most emotionally healthy.  Yet it's true that first impressions can be deceiving.  It very likely could be that Cindy may be a mini Shirley. 

Would love for Rick to share more about the family and its inner-workings.  Only to help in understanding Cindy, which in turn, helps in understanding Casey.  If anything, am betting the defense will go for the emotionally-abused angle, PTSD, NPD and whatever other initials that Casey most likely has. 

And again I say, none of this 'excuses' Casey.   

So Baez can try, but doubt that it will fly.  Cuz I have a whole slew of initials, as many do, based on the experiences of our childhood, etc.  None of us (to our knowledge) have handled things with our children in such cold, calculating, cruel ways.  A greater majority (even while perhaps handing down personality disorders to some degree), manage to somehow 'go the opposite way' in dealing with our children.  Makes for fascinating casework study, if you're into that kind of thing.   
   

Rick already shared something very telling. He told us that his own niece pulled a train in December 2005.

This means either: a) he knew first-hand. b) He had the kind of relationship with Casey that she would tell him that, but not that she was pregant? c) for some reason the guys involved would tell this 50-year-old man about the good time they had with his niece...and he believed them.  d) Cindy told him. e) He made it up.

NONE of these things points to a healthy family here.  In fact, all of them point to a family where the men are just casually abusive of the women, and where the women lie to make the family seem normal while the men laugh about it.

???

pull a train

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I vote E.

If he made it up, perhaps it reflects what he assumes Casey was up to during that time or what all kids of Casey's age are up to.  For instance, perhaps he thought because Casey was always on the phone texting and on the 'puter on myspace that she was getting a lot of action.  He's my age or perhaps younger than me (I'm 53) and I can relate to thinking that about young people that put themselves out there so much on the phone and the net.  Ironically, the family probably didn't know that much about the guys she dated/her sexual activity because she was probably secretive.

But for the grace of God go I . . .

He claimed to know that this happened at a party in December. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but I kind of wonder about a guy who would say this stuff about his own niece. It suggests that they're not a very close family. I think if a rumor like this were going around about my sister, my family would close ranks and insist it wasn't true, even if it was true.

[crazybabyborg]

Who is the girl doing the taping of Brian?

She looks remarkably like Casey.

CBB link me back to that post please, I forgot to bookmark the video site of Lee's.

Sorry Klaas, I was cruising other threads. Here's the link! 

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=4715373

[higherhopes]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

I wouldnt doubt this at all and it makes more sense then any thing else about how Jose became Casey's lawyer, where the money is coming from. why Casey acts like she isnt worried, because she knows that she will have the best defense team money can buy,       Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...this makes a lot of sense!

[shanfel]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

I wouldnt doubt this at all and it makes more sense then any thing else about how Jose became Casey's lawyer, where the money is coming from. why Casey acts like she isnt worried, because she knows that she will have the best defense team money can buy,       Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...this makes a lot of sense!

But why would they go to so much trouble to help the woman who possibly murdered their grandchild/child? Just to keep the paternity secret?

Honestly asking, not being sarcastic.

[da sparkenator]

Actually IMO in the third 911 call Cindy behaves exactly as one would expect under the circumstances and it is the only time during this entire episode that I can recall where she exhibited normal emotions.  I have never seen her shed a tear although she was sobbing at the beginning of that 911 call.  But after that, it was as if an iron curtain descended and since then it has been pizza boxes and get off your ass and find my granddaughter.  One of the strangest was when she suggested that someone had put a body, not Caylee's, in the trunk of the car at the tow yard.     

This is what makes me think sometimes, that she was acting this out. Just a thought. She was so convincing in this call that her emotions were genuine, makes me think that she might have been putting on an act.

Just throwing this possibility out there.

Hi Brandi!  IMO, Cindy is too out of control to be a convincing actress.

Hey, Bearly!

At first I thought the same. Now I am not convinced either way. It's an interesting branch to hang on for a bit ...that Cindy was indeed acting in those calls.

She is much more out of control now than when we first saw her, though, IMHO.

Do you mean she knew there was a dead body in the trunk or she was just saying that for the shock value?

Yes, with this theory, Cindy would have known at this point that Caylee was dead and at least some of the particulars of the case. I am just saying that this angle is something to look at. It's possible, you know! This is one MESSED UP family! And this case has had more twists and turns in it than anyone could imagine. And there has to be more coming.

 

Thanks, B!

The only thing I can think of is that on the night of the 15th, Caylee fell inot the pool during the CA/KC fight, or, that the fight was after CA found Caylee in the pool that night due to KC's negligence. At that point the whole family goes into cover-up mode...Cindy's blog about how "Caylee left her life the same way she came into her life" (paraphrasing) has always bothered me. I've heard this remark made when someone has died..not been taken by her mother. Maybe she came into her life because of her mothers mistakes and left her life because of her mothers mistakes?

Also they "what have you done?" CA is reported to have said to KC the night of the 911 calls also doesn't sit well. Maybe KC had threatened the family secret somehow and CA decided to get in the first offensive move...call in Casey...or maybe the plan all along was to send Casey out to CA with friends so that no one in FLA would ask about Caylee, (to Hawkins "I've alreadt talked to my mom and dad, and theres something I need to tell you." Talked the plan out with them?) and when the car was towed they realized she hadn't and the cover-up was in jeopardy? Or maybe the car was supposed to be found...but Casey wasn't?

In any case... they would feel confident in sacrficing Casey for a bit, thinking George as a former LE could find ways to get her off.

*shrug* That's all I got in the CA/GA knew department.

Well many of us monkeys have said why wouldn't they have just reported the accident.  Perhaps they couldn't report it because of the long term use of xanax on Caylee.  I imagine George and Spindy would know that it would be an issue if they called the police, that it would show up in tests.  Well if that's why they didn't want to report it as an accident, then I think either Casey said no we can't report it because I gave her xanax OR Cindy and George knew about it.

The only other reason that I think they wouldn't want to report it as an accident is from a knee jerk reaction of covering for themselves, they probably are used to hiding skeletons in their closet.

All in all, I just can't see this big cover up for an accident.   But then again, I am applying rational standards to an irrational family!

Karen