USE ME: RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS 3

[waitingtoknow]

good night dragon

[KerinTX]

SB...you could be right but the only thing that's scares me with that scenario is is Joran and the brothers were not involved then there is a stranger involved and it is likely that we will never know what happened to her.

I just can't imagine the three of them would be so stupid as to make up a fake story if they weren't involved in her disappearance.

Actually, I can't even imagine the three of them together at all

Same here, Bill. I think Joran was alone with her and sent the brothers away so he could "do his thing" and it went bad from there

[westcoastguy]

Kerin, i was thinking the same thing.  What time did these kids come home?  Did they wander in at 5am?  That would leave plenty of time to hide a body ANYWHERE on the island!  Having said that, i'm still wondering about JVS's possible innocence in this.  I read this scenario somewhere earlier on another site...........
First of all, did he in fact have a final exam the next day?  If he did and he was involved, he MUST be some sort of psycho to be able to actually go write and exam merely hours after having done something so bad.  What about a scenario where he did in fact get dropped off and exchange email addresses with NH, the bros take here wherever and do whatever and JVS has no idea of this even in the morning?  He goes to school, writes exam and them meets up with the bros.  They then tell him "something happened" and they decide to come up with some sort of coverup.  After time spent in jail, the bros turn on him and have this plan concocted that they dropped them at the Marriott (the search as far as we know gained NOTHING, this would support the fact what dipshit told Mickey was all part of his lie to cover him and his bro).  
Everyone seems inclined to jump on the dutchbag and rightfully so as his sites don't exactly portray him as a saint (esp if the 14 yr old/porn thing is true).  But there is a chance he was not involved except for the cover-up part.  
While i don't believe this to be true, it is possible i guess?  My main doubt would be the fact that you'd think "daddy judge wannabe" would have already spoken to his son and found some of this info out.  If this were the case, i'm sure he'd make his son rat out a couple of Surinamese brothers to save his own hide........
Sorry for rambling.......

[waitingtoknow]

I still find it strange that Joran's father has not been in the picture at all...except for his name...that just doesn't make sense to me.

[KerinTX]

I guess I am still in a position of having 2 opinions.
One is that she was taken to another island (I think Amy Bradley was too)
Second is that Joran killed her.

Either way he is the one I am accusing.

So anyway...I am going to try and get some sleep. I hope you all have a great nights sleep.

[spec1]

I posted about this this morning. I have a VERY strong feeling that Natalee was ready to ditch this guy any way possible by the time they got within walking distance of the Marriott and they had a confrontation out there with unknown results. I personally think she might have just run away and Joran may actually not know where she went...out there in the dark. From there... who knows?

you mean b/c dpak said we'd thouhht she'd just show up et al? meaning none of us have any idea as to her whereabouts?

could be, but if she just ran off into the nite,why make up the stumbling, dropped @ HI story do you think?

[TTownMike]

Kerin, i was thinking the same thing.  What time did these kids come home?  Did they wander in at 5am?  That would leave plenty of time to hide a body ANYWHERE on the island!  Having said that, i'm still wondering about JVS's possible innocence in this.  I read this scenario somewhere earlier on another site...........
First of all, did he in fact have a final exam the next day?  If he did and he was involved, he MUST be some sort of psycho to be able to actually go write and exam merely hours after having done something so bad.  What about a scenario where he did in fact get dropped off and exchange email addresses with NH, the bros take here wherever and do whatever and JVS has no idea of this even in the morning?  He goes to school, writes exam and them meets up with the bros.  They then tell him "something happened" and they decide to come up with some sort of coverup.  After time spent in jail, the bros turn on him and have this plan concocted that they dropped them at the Marriott (the search as far as we know gained NOTHING, this would support the fact what dipshit told Mickey was all part of his lie to cover him and his bro).  
Everyone seems inclined to jump on the dutchbag and rightfully so as his sites don't exactly portray him as a saint (esp if the 14 yr old/porn thing is true).  But there is a chance he was not involved except for the cover-up part.  
While i don't believe this to be true, it is possible i guess?  My main doubt would be the fact that you'd think "daddy judge wannabe" would have already spoken to his son and found some of this info out.  If this were the case, i'm sure he'd make his son rat out a couple of Surinamese brothers to save his own hide........
Sorry for rambling.......

Very interesting!

[KerinTX]

and westcoastguy...you are right. I think we should put all our detective minds together and go interrogate these punks.  

[waitingtoknow]

sweeet dreams kerin!

[nancy_drew]

Bill, I fully agree.  Same with my kids.  My two oldest were mature enough to handle traveling of all kinds.   My two youngest aren't.  it's one of the reasons I don't support big trips like this one. No matter what, you're dealing with a huge range of maturity.

[waitingtoknow]

What if they are into dealing drugs...or even something more criminal...and they have a "boss".....like somebody posted a couple of days ago....If they give out information on their "boss"...they would be put on a hit list by him....so, wouldn't it be better for them to blame eachother...or go to jail for 20 years????   Just a thought

[sb]

KerinTX, that scenario scare me to death too but I don't really know of any other chain of events that would let us even cling to a small hope that Natalee could still be alive SOMEWHERE. And I note that the MB group just UNIVERSALLY seems to hold that hope for some unannounced reason, across the board.

Everyone says that "the simplest answer is the best". If the simplest scenario plays out that night, Natalee Ann Holloway take a quick sightseeing jaunt, shows up at the HI, gets a final kiss, maybe, and a e-mail address from joran, wakes up, flies off, and we never hear about her or post till 4 AM or pray and shed tears and pray diligently for her and her family. That didn't happen. Something complicated, bizarre, and unthinkable took place that night and it has no easy answer. The easy thing would be to assume Joran killed her, but that right now is kind of sketchy. SOMETHING... dark, ugly, frightening... is going on.

[westcoastguy]

TTown....would love to know if JVS wrote that exam the following day and how he did if he did write it!  You really have to wonder what frame of mind he was in if he was in fact involved!

I could see this scenario being possible also because from what we've heard, he prob "picks up" lot of girls and i bet the brothers don't.  I could see these two taking advantage of NH and it ended bad.  Also interested in what someone said earlier about the possibility that JVS and brothers Kalpoe have only been friends a few months?  Maybe someone tomorrow can get info on when the brothers came to Aruba???  If they aren't long time friends then this would add even more to this theory........

[Y'alls Psychic Detective]

SB...you could be right but the only thing that's scares me with that scenario is is Joran and the brothers were not involved then there is a stranger involved and it is likely that we will never know what happened to her.

I just can't imagine the three of them would be so stupid as to make up a fake story if they weren't involved in her disappearance.

Actually, I can't even imagine the three of them together at all

Same here, Bill. I think Joran was alone with her and sent the brothers away so he could "do his thing" and it went bad from there

My thoughts as well.  I just wonder what Joran has to offer them that they'd cover for him.  Future hook-ups is about all I can think of, but would they cover up a murder for that??  Since they apparently only knew  Natalee in the short period she was in the car (and she may have been drugged up by Dutch Bag), maybe Jaron convinced them she was a druggie and was probably in a crack house.

[Armchair_Detective]

Evening All,

Truth: I monitor my child's email and myspace account.  I used the myspace account to log onto VDS' site and then study the sites of his only two friends (yeah..nice job cleaning up)

One of VDS' friends is persistent in finding guys and girls coming to Aruba very soon. He works them hard to meet him and "hook him up" w/ girls 17-21. What is he hooking them up with in exchange? This site was very disturbing especially if you keep looking and click on the site of the guys and girls posting to VDS" friend and then read what his friend typed. to these "strangers".
I think VDS left this "friend" on his page for a reason?? I believe he is also somehow involved.

BTW: KerinTX?? I'm curious if are referring to the California molestation case involving a predator and child using myspace.com??

[Bill]

If these three dude's were together, that had to be about Joran dominating the brothers.  You have only to take one look at Joran's ill concieved pics.  He is like a kind of - kind of Master in D/s world.

But this is a 17 year old kid who's dad actually took him around, and it's like, "Hey, let's gamble a lot!  Fun, ya hey?"

Then, well.

When I was a kid in high school, and I know that goes back - way back.  But when I was there, my best friend had hollowed out a book where he hid a gun.  I respected his balls, carying a gun in the school.  But if I ever saw him raping a girl?  I'm 100% sure I would have tore something bloody out of his neck.

So I am NOT BUYING this whole thing about a ganging up on poor Natalee.  Especially not inside of the time given.  It's just not real, to me.

[TTownMike]

TTown....would love to know if JVS wrote that exam the following day and how he did if he did write it!  You really have to wonder what frame of mind he was in if he was in fact involved!

I could see this scenario being possible also because from what we've heard, he prob "picks up" lot of girls and i bet the brothers don't.  I could see these two taking advantage of NH and it ended bad.  Also interested in what someone said earlier about the possibility that JVS and brothers Kalpoe have only been friends a few months?  Maybe someone tomorrow can get info on when the brothers came to Aruba???  If they aren't long time friends then this would add even more to this theory........

Considering how great NH is, I can't see Urine 1) turning her over to others to see her home or 2) Him not wanting to be with her as long as he could before leaving her , test or no test.

[nancy_drew]

I don't think Joran had to offer them anything.  Another, guy thing...they would help him no matter how creepy it was.  Joran looks like a ringleader and having his approval may have been enough.  Remember, this is "Teen-think".

[Y'alls Psychic Detective]

Evening All,

Truth: I monitor my child's email and myspace account.  I used the myspace account to log onto VDS' site and then study the sites of his only two friends (yeah..nice job cleaning up)

One of VDS' friends is persistent in finding guys and girls coming to Aruba very soon. He works them hard to meet him and "hook him up" w/ girls 17-21. What is he hooking them up with in exchange? This site was very disturbing especially if you keep looking and click on the site of the guys and girls posting to VDS" friend and then read what his friend typed. to these "strangers".
I think VDS left this "friend" on his page for a reason?? I believe he is also somehow involved.

Very interesting!  Do you happen to have a link to this friend's site?

[sb]

I posted about this this morning. I have a VERY strong feeling that Natalee was ready to ditch this guy any way possible by the time they got within walking distance of the Marriott and they had a confrontation out there with unknown results. I personally think she might have just run away and Joran may actually not know where she went...out there in the dark. From there... who knows?

you mean b/c dpak said we'd thouhht she'd just show up et al? meaning none of us have any idea as to her whereabouts?

could be, but if she just ran off into the nite,why make up the stumbling, dropped @ HI story do you think?

Because they know they HAVE to say something that keeps them from being suspected, so they try to pin it on a bogus security guard.

We don't know when the Holiday Inn story got hatched...  I am assuming that was NOT done immediately.

Think about this fact that is dogging me: the Holloway/Twitty family confronted Joran less than 24 hours after the events and HE DID NOT THROW UP THE HOLIDAY INN STORY AS THE ALIBI. He said he just plain "did not know" what happened to her.