RBN #19 - 6/23/05

[Lausa]

Lausa
Wow, you've just hurt the feelings of a lot of students ....
Kidding, kidding
[cringe]be nice[/cringe]

lol!  Thanks for explaining.

[wantsanswers]

Hello Monkeys.  

1st. impression: case is about to be wrapped up.  Son and dad guilty.

2nd impression: based on Greta saying if these are the guilty people.  This case may turn out totally different than we expect. Not a quote, but a basic paraphrase.  This may not be the end of this story.

3rd impression:  How sad for all the families involved.

I've heard that the case is about to be wrapped up for the last 3 weeks. Not sure I believe that. From what I can tell. The police have no evidence whatsoever. And if it was in the United States, all these suspects would never have been arrested.

That was just my first impression when I heard the dad had been arrested.  After thinking about it a few minutes, Greta's comment struck me.  She does not sound convinced that these are really the people responsible for NH disappearance.  I don't know what to think about this sad situation at this point.  

Whatever the outcome, all the families are suffering.  Mrs. VDS does not seem to be capable of holding herself and her two other children together during this.  Whatever you think of her, she is a sad figure.

Mrs. BHT is one of the strongest women I have ever seen.  Still she has to have her breaking point.

I think she feels they accidently killed her with drugs and they called daddy to help conceal the evidence. That is where Steve came in.

[WonderWoman]

I've heard rumors that the brothers and Croes are going to be released, but have not heard anything concrete.

This part sounds familiar.....

[da wench]

You have to admit this Joran Van Der Sloot is one cool customer. If we are to believe he killed Natalee. Look at his immediate actions.

1. He shows up at school the next day and brags about having sex with Natalee.

2. He's back at the casino the next night gambling.

3. When the Twittys show up he was willing to talk to them, it was his dad and Deepak that kept saying "don't say anything"

4. He tells his mom that prison isn't so bad, and that when Natalee shows up he's gonna kick her butt in front of Beth because of all the trouble she's gotten him into.

For a 17 yr old that just comitted a murder? This guy is rock solid.

Inspector, I have to concur.

On No. 3; could someone tell me when they heard that Deepak also said to JVDS "don't say anything!"

That would have been the first night the Twittys arrived on the island (the night after Natalee disappeared) Deepak and Joran were outside talking the second time the Twittys arrived at the Van Der Sloot residence.

Inspector I remember Twitty stating that he kept hearing Paulus telling his son "not to say anything." I just don't remember hearing that Deepak said that, also.  Anyone else, too?

Jug Twitty stated that both Papa VDS AND Deepak told Joran not to talk.

[someone]

Other than obviously being a crappy mother who didn't care where/what her kids were......I don't think she is personally responsible...
HOWEVER, exactly how many searches for Natalee did she and her family participate in??????
I have never heard of her doing anything helpful - only heard of her endlessly being quoted as saying her sonny boy was "perfect"....
lack of doing something/anything is just as telling.....

Telling of what?  Are you implying that she is covering up for the son and father and knows what happened?  I really doubt it.  Listening to her pour her heart out to Greta was revealing.  It showed she is oblivious to the reality around her.  They would never have confided in her.  She would have marched into the police and told on them immediately.  That's her reality and it bears no resemblance to the real world.

I fully agree!!!  I don't even think she's an oblivious mother.  This kid has no record, his past appears half way normal, he was loved, got good grades and played sports!  Somehow he snapped.  It does NOT mean he had a bad mother.

I think the mother is somewhat oblivious........she made the remarks that her son does not smoke, gamble drink, etc.....and a few minutes later she made the remark that he is hard to wake up in the morning.    Sheeesh, if I stayed out partying all night I would not be able to get up in the morning either.

Who calls the Associated Press when their husband gets arrested.  I mean really, WHO DOES THAT? I think that's bizarre in and of itself

It was stated that she was getting ready to go to an AP interview, she called to cancel!

Okay thanks.  I don't have a tv at work and can only read the internet.  Cnn and Fox both say online that she "called the AP"

[dragonfly]

I thought Anita, in her own way, was revealing her own sense of guilt to Greta, by showing the Natalee prayer card and Christmas angel in their living room.

I also felt Joran's mom was trying to mitigate, and somehow justify her son's deplorable actions by explaining how her son had been dumped by an American girlfriend who said he was 'too sweet' and not enough of a man for her.

I don't think Mrs VDS has anything to do with it. I could be wrong though.

I think he either helped with a cover-up on the night it happened or he has been helping tie up loose ends since the days following what happened.

[Sleeks]

What is the buzz??? what do we all think???  Something 'bad' happened and Joran didn't know what to do - so he called Dad and they conspired together to not ruin the family name???

Well, I'm beginning to wonder this.  If there is rumor that the brothers are going to be released (I know that's not even close to being confirmed) and all of the other recent events point me in that direction.  There was Deepak and Satish changing their story and placing JVDS as the last one with her on the beach.  There was talk of changing stories in the interrogation of the 3 all together where Joran was saying one of the brothers picked him up and when they denied that he said the other brother did.  Then there is daddy being arrested.  I think the brothers tried to cover Joran's a-s until it got to hot and then turned on him.  Maybe Deepak got Croes to try to be an alibi by saying he saw them drop them off and that's why he was held.  But I think this may be coming down to Joran and his daddy.

WELL DRAGONFLY There very well could be more folks involved.  But Joran was the one who supposedly was with her.  Whether it was just kissing or more.  I too would think it boils down to those 2 - Joran & Dad.
And let's face it, most parents who are known to spoil their children do anything and everything to help make matters worse.

[WonderWoman]

Please Rachael...you missed a GOLDEN opportunity to say "Joran ass"

LMAO!!!!  

[Brenda]

http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=523

concern from aruba - from the www.aruba.com website....

Everyday approximately 50 to 250 search volunteers including locals, Americans living in Aruba, along with visitors, comb different areas of the island. This comes as a shock to Aruba where crime against tourist is almost non-existent. Aruba is one of the safest islands in the Caribbean and a favorite amongst travelers with a repeat visitor rate of 40%, the highest of any Caribbean destination.

The island extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to Ms. Holloway’s family and friends for a positive outcome.

About Aruba: * Aruba is the only island in the Caribbean with US pre-clearance facilities (Customs and Immigration) at Queen Beatrix International Airport Aruba. * Thousands of visitors, about 40%, from around the world return to the island each year, in fact 30% of Aruba’s room inventory are timeshare units. * Aruba has one of the highest standards of living in the Caribbean with an average income of US $22,000 (Central Bank of Aruba, 2004). * The island has a literacy rate of 97% (Central Bank of Aruba, 2004). * Aruba’s unemployment rate is 7% (Central Bank of Aruba, 2004).  

If it were not for our USA continued pressure on Aruba - Natalee would be swept under the proverbial rug -

so...if your wittle feelings get hurt by me pointing out the obvious - Arubagirl/caligirl - take a look at how "concerned" the official statement come across.....

Sometimes those in 'the wrong" just plain deserve to hear about it.  Ever thought about that?????

[someone]

Who calls the Associated Press when their husband gets arrested.  I mean really, WHO DOES THAT? I think that's bizarre in and of itself

In all fairness the story I read on the internet said that she was supposed to be showing up with an AP reporter for an interview and hence the phone call to cancel?"

Well, I am glad I'm not the only one who switches words so it gets another meaning..My excuse is that I keep on translating, what is yours someone??

I'm sorry, I don't understand how i switched words...i'm getting this directly from the internet

[da wench]

What is the buzz??? what do we all think???  Something 'bad' happened and Joran didn't know what to do - so he called Dad and they conspired together to not ruin the family name???

Well, I'm beginning to wonder this.  If there is rumor that the brothers are going to be released (I know that's not even close to being confirmed) and all of the other recent events point me in that direction.  There was Deepak and Satish changing their story and placing JVDS as the last one with her on the beach.  There was talk of changing stories in the interrogation of the 3 all together where Joran was saying one of the brothers picked him up and when they denied that he said the other brother did.  Then there is daddy being arrested.  I think the brothers tried to cover Joran's a-s until it got to hot and then turned on him.  Maybe Deepak got Croes to try to be an alibi by saying he saw them drop them off and that's why he was held.  But I think this may be coming down to Joran and his daddy.

WELL DRAGONFLY There very well could be more folks involved.  But Joran was the one who supposedly was with her.  Whether it was just kissing or more.  I too would think it boils down to those 2 - Joran & Dad.
And let's face it, most parents who are known to spoil their children do anything and everything to help make matters worse.

My cousins are spoiled rotten and both of their parents have gotten them out of trouble time and time again...and guess what, the trouble never ends.  If someone is going to pick up the pieces for you, what the hell, have at it.

[arubagirl]

Brenda, it's not ever, EVER allright to post people's phone numbers on a message boards, just because their last name happens to coincide with a member of the prosecution.

Ever think about that?

[wantsanswers]

You have to admit this Joran Van Der Sloot is one cool customer. If we are to believe he killed Natalee. Look at his immediate actions.

1. He shows up at school the next day and brags about having sex with Natalee.

2. He's back at the casino the next night gambling.

3. When the Twittys show up he was willing to talk to them, it was his dad and Deepak that kept saying "don't say anything"

4. He tells his mom that prison isn't so bad, and that when Natalee shows up he's gonna kick her butt in front of Beth because of all the trouble she's gotten him into.

For a 17 yr old that just comitted a murder? This guy is rock solid.

Inspector, I have to concur.

On No. 3; could someone tell me when they heard that Deepak also said to JVDS "don't say anything!"

That would have been the first night the Twittys arrived on the island (the night after Natalee disappeared) Deepak and Joran were outside talking the second time the Twittys arrived at the Van Der Sloot residence.

Inspector I remember Twitty stating that he kept hearing Paulus telling his son "not to say anything." I just don't remember hearing that Deepak said that, also.  Anyone else, too?

The stepfather stated he said that. joran was the only one trying to talk

[writenow]

Lausa

Wow, you've just hurt the feelings of a lot of students :)

Kidding, kidding

Yes, I graduated from Colegio at both levels (Havo and VWO), and it's NOT a vocational school, i.e. one does not go there to learn a skill. It's a general education school, and the only one of its kind on the island.

About the 6 subjects, at one point students have to choose which subjects they want to continue with. At HAVO, you choose in your third year, and in VWO, it's your fifth year. So yeah, one can graduate in only six subjects, but it's not only 6 subjects given.

I'm afraid I'm going to start WWIII with this next sentence, but the fact is that a VWO student graduates with the equivalent of an education of a U.S. junior college. Okay, maybe not Ivy Leage colleges, but state colleges, definitely.

[cringe]be nice[/cringe]

Arubagirl,

Do you graduate at 18 with equiv. of jr. college education? or 20? Is it kinda like advanced placement classes at U.S. high schools where they test at the end of the year and can receive college credits?

[Just me]

You have to admit this Joran Van Der Sloot is one cool customer. If we are to believe he killed Natalee. Look at his immediate actions.

1. He shows up at school the next day and brags about having sex with Natalee.

2. He's back at the casino the next night gambling.

3. When the Twittys show up he was willing to talk to them, it was his dad and Deepak that kept saying "don't say anything"

4. He tells his mom that prison isn't so bad, and that when Natalee shows up he's gonna kick her butt in front of Beth because of all the trouble she's gotten him into.

For a 17 yr old that just comitted a murder? This guy is rock solid.

Inspector, I have to concur.

On No. 3; could someone tell me when they heard that Deepak also said to JVDS "don't say anything!"

That would have been the first night the Twittys arrived on the island (the night after Natalee disappeared) Deepak and Joran were outside talking the second time the Twittys arrived at the Van Der Sloot residence.

Inspector I remember Twitty stating that he kept hearing Paulus telling his son "not to say anything." I just don't remember hearing that Deepak said that, also.  Anyone else, too?

Jug Twitty stated that both Papa VDS AND Deepak told Joran not to talk.

Just curious, but when and where did Deepak en Joran meet and got the chance to talk to eachother after they were put behind bars?Or was it before, and is it a rumor or stated somewhere?

[Michael22]

What is the buzz??? what do we all think???  Something 'bad' happened and Joran didn't know what to do - so he called Dad and they conspired together to not ruin the family name???

Well, I'm beginning to wonder this.  If there is rumor that the brothers are going to be released (I know that's not even close to being confirmed) and all of the other recent events point me in that direction.  There was Deepak and Satish changing their story and placing JVDS as the last one with her on the beach.  There was talk of changing stories in the interrogation of the 3 all together where Joran was saying one of the brothers picked him up and when they denied that he said the other brother did.  Then there is daddy being arrested.  I think the brothers tried to cover Joran's a-s until it got to hot and then turned on him.  Maybe Deepak got Croes to try to be an alibi by saying he saw them drop them off and that's why he was held.  But I think this may be coming down to Joran and his daddy.

where did this 'went swimming' story come from..
thats recent right..? we never heard that till now
Mom's out of the country the dad is looking the other way
his son is running rampant on the island
dad even drops off Joran at c&c's..?(or sneeks out)
ahh but does the dad come back and pick him up
and find something bad that has Just Just happened
no way he could cover it from his dad
practicaly caught him in the 'act'
they went 'swimming'..? huh..?
so now that puts Nat in the water..
what's the status on the 'texas rangers' dive team...?

[CancunMole]

Hey guys, anything new?

I'm totally kidding, by the way.

The rumors are swirling once again, but I have to say, it brought out a bad side from Arubans, as most had a little snicker at the obvious discomfort of the Dutch community that one of their own had been arrested.

Brenda, are you going to post even more phone numbers of people who have nothing to do with the case?

Can't post the phone numbers - BUT, if you would like to have them, you can find about anyone you would care to chat with at:

http://arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=15

The search features are great - and all the government officials can be found by selecting one of the external tabs...

IF it were not for our USA pressure - Natalee would long ago been swept under a rug - and ARuba would STILL be claiming that no crime has EVER been committed there.

And people wonder why our Aruban friends haven't been on here? Whay would anyone want to be treated liek this?

[kuaitzu]

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For the love of Christ Woman!!! Are you deep in the Amazon with only a internet connection???? Freaken scroll back and read the last 20+ pages....

Sorry All...[/quote]

I have been here since the beginning..and I am appalled at the way some of the posters are addressing each other. Please refrain from rude remarks..profanity..cussing..and please treat each other with respect. Everyone need to be mature and civil to each other..
And yes..some people have to work..and can't keep up with the fast pace of things on this board....no need to judge here either.

[puggywug]

looks as though FOX is starting to back pedal a bit. this from the latest on their site: 2nd para

The arrest does not necessarily mean that authorities believe that
Paul van der Sloot knows what happened to Natalee, or if his son, Joran van der Sloot (search), was involved. But Aruban law gives authorities significant leeway to hold someone in custody without charging them with a crime as a way to find out more about an incident.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

I don't think they are backpedaling. The info you posted is all true.  However, due to the laws preventing Dad from testifying against Joran, the arrest may mean it's bigger than the normal arrest in Aruba.  In other words, LE knows they can't elicit a kid's confession from the dad...so why arrest him for that?  It seems the arrest may be for more...like cover up...helping get rid of body, etc.

I don't think they are back-pedaling.  That paragraph has been there since the story was posted a couple of hours ago.

[texas bob]

imo....i dont think the aruban police know squat...they got the dad vds to try and shake info out of him,probably for using his position to cover up for his son,and in that protecting his future position in aruba....i dont think that mom vds knows anything...more people are involved and havent been brought to light yet...we can only speculate for now...