Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 - 9/18/2010

[Spodie]

"We have knowledge of things that we wish we didn't."  "Things that we don't want to know about."

   That could mean any number of things, couldn't it?

(Thank you for the nice clear picture, Brandi.)

Welcome. I sure did not like how that ended. He was choked up saying that. And it leaves a very grim image in my mind.

My mind goes to child molestation

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm very (how do I say it) deflated about the direction this case is going in.  I fear Kyron will never come home. 

I have to say unfortunately that I agree, been feeling this way for awhile now 

[Monkey King]

I wonder if this was discussed with the family prior to the press conference.  It was said Kaine and Desiree were on their way back from the Chicago taping of the Oprah show.

[no rose colored glasses]

OMG! That lasat comment was grim. "we have knowledge of things we'd rather not know about."  Sounds like something bad relating to kids.

  That sounds terrible.

[no rose colored glasses]

"We have knowledge of things that we wish we didn't."  "Things that we don't want to know about."

   That could mean any number of things, couldn't it?

(Thank you for the nice clear picture, Brandi.)

Welcome. I sure did not like how that ended. He was choked up saying that. And it leaves a very grim image in my mind.

My mind goes to child molestation

A child porn ring comes to my mind 

[klaasend]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103005759.html




Sheriff to create new task force to refocus Kyron investigation

by Steve Benham KATU.com Staff

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/103005759.html

PORTLAND, Ore. - A new task force will be formed to focus the investigation into the disappearance of 8-year-old Kyron Horman to specific areas and better use police resources, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said Wednesday.

Staton said during the afternoon news conference that while the investigation will be narrower, he said it is not scaling back.

The task force will contain about eight to 10 detectives from various agencies and the move to create that task force was to continue the investigation in a “fiscally responsible” way.

He said the new task force will be officially formed at the end of the week or by earlier next week.

So far the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has spent $1,044,000 investigating the disappearance of the Skyline School student, Staton said.

He said the move to a task force will enable him to release detectives to their normal duties. He said the investigation has significantly impacted the resources of the sheriff’s office.

He said he wants the task force to contain detectives who have been on the case since the beginning.

This story is in progress and will be updated . . . .

[klaasend]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

Sheriff: No evidence Kyron Horman 'is not alive'

by David Krough

kgw.com

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 4:13 PM
Updated today at 5:14 PM


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Investigators on the case of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman said Wednesday they were shifting to a task force-style investigation.

Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said they would be moving to a task-force, more like a "business plan," to better utilize resources in the case and release some in order to maintain the effectiveness of the department, in a news conference Wednesday afternoon.

Staton said there had been "significant movements" in the 15-week investigation and there was a more definitive scope, allowing them to not be as broad in their efforts, concentrating on their current course to support a theory of what happened to the boy. He said he had seen no evidence that indicated Kyron was not alive.

When asked if people would be shocked to find out what they know, Staton took a long silence.

"I know I'm taking a long pause on that, I have to think through that answer. I think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you'll think about later on when it's over. We have a knowledge of things we don't want to know about ... of things we wish we didn't know," he added.

He said investigators were focusing on selective targets in the case that focus would help "support a conclusion." Investigators need to close off possibly dead end tips in the case Staton labeled "frivolous."

Kyron disappeared from Skyline Elementary in NW Portland on June 4, sparking the largest search in Oregon's history. No suspects or persons of interest have been named the case.

Staton said he was briefed with details from prosecutors last Friday and felt comfortable proceeding on the course they were on.

"Our resources are limited and so are Portland's. Eventually you have to reach out for support and help," he said.

"I don't want the family to believe we are changing this investigation in any way, shape or form ... I think all the investigators involved believe there is going to be an outcome in this," Staton said.

"A lot of the things we looked at or suspected we no longer look at, we no longer suspect them," Staton said, referring to more than 3,000 tips taken in the case. "A number of the leads have been significant."

Staton said a big frustration was that all tips needed to be reviewed and documented, taking up a large part of their time.

"There are so many elements in this I can't even begin to comment on," Staton said. "To this date, I've had nothing that's come into me from ... detectives ... that would lead me to believe that we shouldn't proceed forward."

"We have hit a critical phase," Staton said, adding that not going to a task force model would critically affect the department's functionality.

He emphasized that they were not scaling back or moving to a cold-case type investigation. The FBI would remain active, along with Port of Portland Police, Portland Police, Fairview and Troutdale departments. Staton added that Multnomah County would play about a 30 percent role.

Possibly the end of the week or next week could see more details released as the task force consisting of between eight and ten members is in place.

Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother Desiree Young were set to appear on the Chicago set of the Oprah Winfrey show Thursday to tell their story.

An October 7 hearing is set for Kaine's divorce petition with Kyron's step-mother Terri Moulton-Horman. Terri has been a focus of investigators in the case and accused by Kaine and Desiree of concealing information.

[Claycat]

Well, if there is a possibility that Kyron is alive and in a bad situation, I think they should beat Terri until she tells them the truth. 

 

[Scatty]

"We have knowledge of things that we wish we didn't."  "Things that we don't want to know about."

   That could mean any number of things, couldn't it?

(Thank you for the nice clear picture, Brandi.)

Welcome. I sure did not like how that ended. He was choked up saying that. And it leaves a very grim image in my mind.

My mind goes to child molestation

A child porn ring comes to my mind 

Unfortunately, that's the first place my mind went as well.

[no rose colored glasses]

"We have knowledge of things that we wish we didn't."  "Things that we don't want to know about."

   That could mean any number of things, couldn't it?

(Thank you for the nice clear picture, Brandi.)

Welcome. I sure did not like how that ended. He was choked up saying that. And it leaves a very grim image in my mind.

My mind goes to child molestation

A child porn ring comes to my mind 

Unfortunately, that's the first place my mind went as well.

And that would fit with the sheriff's statements.              We have a knowledge of things we don't want to know about ... of things we wish we didn't know," he added.

[Itaryl Moosee]

"We have knowledge of things that we wish we didn't."  "Things that we don't want to know about."

   That could mean any number of things, couldn't it?

(Thank you for the nice clear picture, Brandi.)

Welcome. I sure did not like how that ended. He was choked up saying that. And it leaves a very grim image in my mind.

My mind goes to child molestation

A child porn ring comes to my mind 

Unfortunately, that's the first place my mind went as well.

I think that if it had to do with children in danger, arrests would've been made, and we would've heard about it by now.

My thinking goes to Terri and her extracurricular activities. Drugs? Prostitution? Cybersex? The sexting? Extra marital affairs? Past abuse of Kyron, maybe Kiara?

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What I don't like is for the people involved in the investigation to keep saying, "we are making progress." They have been saying that since the beginning, and if they were REALLY making progress, the case would've been solved by now.

I do think it's a good idea to reassign the case. If those in charge of it now can't solve it, then by all means, give it to someone else who can.

IMO

[Monkey King]

"We have knowledge of things that we wish we didn't."  "Things that we don't want to know about."

   That could mean any number of things, couldn't it?

(Thank you for the nice clear picture, Brandi.)

Welcome. I sure did not like how that ended. He was choked up saying that. And it leaves a very grim image in my mind.

My mind goes to child molestation

A child porn ring comes to my mind 

Unfortunately, that's the first place my mind went as well.

And that would fit with the sheriff's statements.              We have a knowledge of things we don't want to know about ... of things we wish we didn't know," he added.

Whatever it is, it seems to involve several areas according to the statement:

"He emphasized that they were not scaling back or moving to a cold-case type investigation. The FBI would remain active, along with Port of Portland Police, Portland Police, Fairview and Troutdale departments. Staton added that Multnomah County would play about a 30 percent role."

I'm not sure of Fairview, does anyone have a map they can illustrate these areas?

Are all these areas on the water?

[klaasend]

I'm saying this for all of the Terri supporters. 

There is no way LE or the court system would allow Kaine to have custody of Kiara if they suspected that Kiane was in any way involved in child porn. 

[seemeatthebeach]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/09/16/levi-page-show

Pat Brown is a guest tonight on Levi's radio show. Starts at 9pm. Will be discussing Kyron's case.

[seemeatthebeach]

Levi says there was a press conference today.....significant focus on possible suspects,
in Kyron's case.

[Tolerance]

I'm saying this for all of the Terri supporters. 

There is no way LE or the court system would allow Kaine to have custody of Kiara if they suspected that Kiane was in any way involved in child porn. 

agreed.
and further (IMO) there is no way they would leave other children at risk if there is information on trafficking or abuse from an orgainized group.  I believe they would 'move' on that even if it disrupted the Kyron investigation in order to protect and serve. 

[Tolerance]

Does anyone know if KH and DY were apprised of this task force implementation before the public announcement?

[Monkey King]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

SNIPPED:

"There are so many elements in this I can't even begin to comment on" Staton said.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-elements-of-a-crime.htm

The elements of a crime are a series of components which must be present in order for it to be demonstrated that someone is guilty of a crime. The prosecution must provide supporting evidence to demonstrate that all of the elements of a crime are present in a given case and the defense can challenge the validity of a case on one or more elements. Different legal systems have different standards and some truly bizarre cases have arisen to test the legal definition of the elements of a crime.

Four key components must be present: intent, conduct, concurrence, and causation. Without one of these elements, a case can start to fall apart. This fact explains why sometimes the defense will freely admit to something which seems incriminating, only to still win the case; it accepts that one element was present, but denies other elements of a crime and uses these to deconstruct the prosecution's case.

Intent, also known as mens rea or “guilty mind,” requires someone to intend to commit a crime, and to have the mental capacity to have intent. For example, someone who plans to commit a robbery clearly meets the condition of intent. If the robber hits and kills a pedestrian with the car on the way to the robbery, however, the robber cannot be charged with murder because he or she did not intend to kill the pedestrian. The pedestrian is still dead, of course, and the robber will be liable for manslaughter.

Conduct refers to actions taken on the part of the accused. To borrow our robber example again, someone can intend to commit a robbery but never actually do it, in which case the robber is not guilty because no conduct occurred. Concurrence requires a connection to be present between intent and conduct. While concurrence is often defined as “at the same time,” it is recognized that sometimes intent and conduct can occur at different points in time and someone can still be guilty.

Finally, the elements of a crime include causation, that the intent and conduct of the accused led to the crime. Someone can intend to commit a crime and engage in criminal conduct, but not actually commit the crime at issue in the court. For instance, if an assassin fires a gun and misses, intent and conduct are present, but causation is not. If the would-be victim later drops dead, the assassin's bullet was not the cause.

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm not suggesting any porn ring involving the family. I was just wondering if perhaps a child porn ring that maybe he was sold into. It has to be something terrible like that for the sheriff to say such a thing, imo. I don't know what else it could be.

[Brandi]

<snipped>

Whatever it is, it seems to involve several areas according to the statement:

"He emphasized that they were not scaling back or moving to a cold-case type investigation. The FBI would remain active, along with Port of Portland Police, Portland Police, Fairview and Troutdale departments. Staton added that Multnomah County would play about a 30 percent role."

I'm not sure of Fairview, does anyone have a map they can illustrate these areas?

Are all these areas on the water?

Sorry for the large image, but didn't think it would show up well enough smaller.

Mention of Port of Portland Police makes me think they believe something happened on the water.