Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[Magnolia]

Luke is from Seattle

That explains Greta's trip to Seattle.

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:50 pm         

Theyre inside a hotelroom to talk business.


Joran is aware that he is doing illegal things. He looks around in the hotelroom..

They tell the women that they have a club in Holland where they can work. One woman tells how she cant leave now, because she is in school. Joran explains that its easy to get papers for 3 months in Holland, but that its difficult to get workpermits to work for 1 or 2 years in Holland.

[snoopy]

Thank you EURobert, Buckeye, and johan555.

Standing with the girl.

[johan555]

1 woman tells  she cant leave  Thailand at this moment , because she is in school

[EURobert]

Hidden cam in hotelroom: two girsl are present. Three men. Joran checks the room for a.o. camera's. The girls are told they have permission to go to holland. Joran is talking extensivly to the girls. But the girls first want to finish school. Girls are told they are going to be dancers.

But the girls suggest they want more money. Joran: But all you have to do is shake your ass. He tells he knows how to fill in the papers. But the girls only can go after the new yearseve. So Joran to the Dutch comes up with new plan. "There are a lot of girls." Joran says he was afraid of another  hidden camera-action of peter. But he says "You are super cool guys".
Says he will get girls that will go on their knees for 300 to 500 dollars.

[San]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:20 pm         

Joran already talked about woman trafficking while in the car with Patrick. He knew someone (a woman) in Aruba who would be great for that.....



...???? wonder who that might be????  (my comment)

Aline 

I was thinking of an older "madame"/hoe

Me too.

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:52 pm         

Joran says he can understand that the woman wants to finish school, and says that they have to work from 5 til 5 in Holland. He is warming them up for the work in Holland...

Woman says that 15000 Bath is not much money for her. Joran and Arjan think she is bluffing.

Joran talks about the paperwork. He knows exactly what to fill out on the papers.

Joran is dissapointed that they wont be able to leave for Holland til after new years. He says that he never talked to the girls about when they were supposed to leave.

Joran says that he met a lot of girls and talks about how he could send pics to Holland so Arjan could see them.

Joran says he thought about the fact that Arjan could have a camera in his hotelroom to film him. He says that he trusts them now he has met them. He wants to do business with them.

At the end of the night Joran says that he is going to promise that the girls will come to Holland. Not the two they met in the hotelroom that night, but even prettier ones.

[Buckeye]

GBMW at BFN:

What does the justice department do on Aruba?

Who helped Joran that night.

Peter R. de Vries got a few very interesting tips and gave them to the ALE. Peter R. de Vries promised not to investigate for the time being so the ALE could do their job properly. But they're rather quit about how the investigation is going...is that because they want to work on the case quietly or is there something more going on?

9 months have passed but the ALE has said they need until the end of the year to decide whether or not to charge Joran.
The ALE hasn't started working hard directly after the re opening of  the case. A few informers were only questioned after three months...also after some pressure from the team of Peter R. de Vries. Even after that it was rather quiet. Witnesses who called the ALE asking if something was going to happen with their information were told that because of strikes, vacation time & lack of personell not a lot has happened. And when Peter calls himself to ask about the lack of research; a staff member who's involved in the investigation says:
"In Holland there is a saying: washing with the tap open...well, here the tap is open as well but we don't have a mop. We want too, really want too, but factually we can't do anything...that is the truth."
This is a reason to worry about the case. Beth Holloway is also worried about this and is surprised that she never heard anything from the ALE after Feb.
Interview with Beth: she doesn't remember getting updates from the ALE. Nothing happened after the broadcast; she finds it odd Joran was re arrested / requestioned. She finds this surprising / odd. Beth doesn't think Joran will be charged / there won't be a trial.
Peter R. de Vries and his team asked Hans Mos for an interview; he refuses this because he doesn't have enough to say. After some pressure that this is very little after 9 months of research; he gives them a written statement. He writes that finding new evidence is difficult, that the new tips Peter R. de Vries and his team gave them didn't lead to new evidence but that a few tips are still being researched. The ALE strives to finish the re opened investigation by 31st of December; then it will be decided if Joran van der Sloot will be charged or not.

 

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:57 pm         

Joran will get a part of the money to seal the deal. They give him 1000 euros to deal with the paperwork. Joran accepts the money.

Joran already thought about how they are going to deal with the moneypart in the future; they talk about western union.

Joran will keep in contact with Arjan through email.

They call Joran while they are back in Holland. HE talks about 5 women and one of them for sure is going to come. He will go with the girl to the Embassy to see if the embassy will allow her to go to Holland.

[johan555]

Joran will have some  money to complete  the deal. he  give him 1000 euros for the paperwork (tickets ?passports? ).
Joran accepts the money.

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:00 pm         

Joran is not sure what he is going to tell the people at the embassy about why the girl is going to Holland.

Joran is on msn while his webcam in on. Joran thinks that he is chatting with Arjan, but its PRDV...

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:02 pm         

"Arjan" says that Joran is back in the news in Holland. Joran is going to change his phonenumber and is going to lay low.

Joran: PRDV should stop, or otherwise Ill send a Thai after him. Im going to wait for the show and if its bullshit again, I wont care what it will cost me... He should not say one bad thing about me or my family.

[Buckeye]

Peter doesn't have to say anything bad.  Joran uses his own words. 

[johan555]

Joran will send a   Thai (Killer) no matter what it cost 

thai killer = PAUL 

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:03 pm         

Joran knows there will be a show, but he is not sure what its about.

He even says: maybe human trafficking?? Wink

[EURobert]

Luke now suggest a payment in advance of thousand dollars. Joran takes the money. Says the other money has to go to the Western Union-money-transfer org. much used by criminals.

Back in Holland Joran on telephone. 1500 dollars per girl if she gets through the immigration office. When can we expect the first "shipping"? Joran: next friday.

Next msn JOran chats with PRdV alias clubowner: Joran has heard of the coming show of PRdV and is suspicious. He promisses he will keep quiet. But this Peter must stop or I will sent a thai to him and I will teach him a lesson whatever the cost. He will watch the show first.

Three days later: Joran says he doesn't know what the show will be about. Untill the show he will keep a low profile.

Peter now calls Joran as himself and tells him he knows about the Thai Joran will send to him. Joran denies everything. PR: preperations are very punishable in Thailand. PR now asks him about all the activities they have on tape now. Joran denies everything.

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:04 pm         

Joran is going to lay low until the show...after that they will continue with business.

PRDV is calling Joran. PRDV tells him about the thai that Joran wants to send after PRDV.

PRDV confronts him about the woman trafficking. Joran denies and says that PRDV started with everything.

[johan555]

Joran thanks Peter for the money 

[Buckeye]

Well...if Luke is from Seattle and an American...and western union is discussed...trafficking could have a whole new meaning...US laws are a little stricter than Dutch ones....hmmmm

[Buckeye]

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:05 pm         

Joran denies about the woman trafficking.

He says he didnt do anything and asks PRDV is he thinks he is crazy... He says that he thinks that PRDV is a very dirty man.

Joran says again that PRDV started everything and that he doesnt know what PRDV wants with all this.

Joran thanks PRDV for the money he gave him...

End of phonecall.