Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 - 3/13/10

[jen3560]

Posted on the front page of SM just now:

gary
Submitted on 2010/03/03 at 3:19pm

The reason jvds has included Andre in his new lie, is only because he was involved in moving her body to alhambra shopping center at address #56, called Aruba Textile Care at 3:00am Mon. morning, Guido got out of Dodge, now Andre needs a new alibi, the body was picked up from the pond area (where the gardener seen them) at 2:40am, and taken there. they will really squirm when I take them on the Boat ride on 6/4/05 at 1:50am, and tell them about the problems they had trying to sink the cage ..

this is near Eagle beach and the Bucuti IIRC, but don't quote me on that.

how does this Gary know and why isn't he being questioned?

Is "gary" saying he was on the boat?????????????????? (or at least had BIG inside knowledge)
Things are racing in my head --- is he coming out only now since paulas is gone?

Problems trying to sink the cage could explain a lot............damaged prop on Gottenbos boat, possible part of the rubber runner found in the cage....

[jen3560]

Can we get a confirmation for if "gary" was posting from Aruba?

[blah]

Posted on the front page of SM just now:

gary
Submitted on 2010/03/03 at 3:19pm

The reason jvds has included Andre in his new lie, is only because he was involved in moving her body to alhambra shopping center at address #56, called Aruba Textile Care at 3:00am Mon. morning, Guido got out of Dodge, now Andre needs a new alibi, the body was picked up from the pond area (where the gardener seen them) at 2:40am, and taken there. they will really squirm when I take them on the Boat ride on 6/4/05 at 1:50am, and tell them about the problems they had trying to sink the cage ..

this is near Eagle beach and the Bucuti IIRC, but don't quote me on that.

how does this Gary know and why isn't he being questioned?

Is "gary" saying he was on the boat?????????????????? (or at least had BIG inside knowledge)
Things are racing in my head --- is he coming out only now since paulas is gone?

Problems trying to sink the cage could explain a lot............damaged prop on Gottenbos boat, possible part of the rubber runner found in the cage....

Also, and this is a little gruesome but it takes a LOT of weight to sink a decomposing body.  I forget the ratio or whatever but I remember someone testifying in the Scott/Laci Peterson case that is would take over 600 pounds to keep Laci Petersons body from floating to the surface.  It has to do with gasses building up in the body as it decomposes.

[wreck]

Can we get a confirmation for if "gary" was posting from Aruba?

I wonder about that as well ...... but, it would not be a "deal killer" if he was posting from here or someplace else. That might be the only reason he is posting......... he is off that hell hole and feels "safe".

[Agraria]

An interesting article on the front of AOL this morning. I knew you would  want to read...

Why Does Suspect Keep Talking in Holloway Case?

(March 3) -- Investigators aren't paying much attention to a newly released confession by Joran van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. But what would motivate him to talk to the media -- and to feed the press such contradictory accounts?

"Joran is a spoiled, arrogant, cocky fellow who is confident the law will never touch him because it hasn't," criminal profiler Pat Brown told AOL News. "He likes the power he has to enthrall people with his tale and manipulate them into believing what he says is true, especially because it isn't the truth."

Holloway's classmates said they last saw her leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's nightclub with van der Sloot, then a 17-year-old Dutch honors student living in Aruba, and his two friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. All three young men would be arrested in the case but all three were released without charge.

From the onset of the case, van der Sloot's stories have varied significantly.

During a June 9, 2005, interview with police in Aruba, van der Sloot said Holloway left the nightclub with him and the Kalpoes. He said they went for a car ride but then dropped the tourist off at her hotel, a Holiday Inn. He said he last saw her stumbling toward the lobby.

Roughly five days later, van der Sloot gave another statement to police. In this one, he said he and Holloway had gone to a beach not far from the Holiday Inn, where they made out. He said Holloway insisted on being left on the beach when he decided to catch a ride home with Deepak Kalpoe.

He said he had lied in his previous statement because Deepak Kalpoe had told him it would "be better if we would say that the three of us dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn hotel." He said he decided to tell the truth after speaking with his father, prominent lawyer Paulus van der Sloot.

Despite her family's efforts to keep the investigation going, the case eventually went cold. Then, in February 2006, a Dutch television station aired a hidden-camera confession that van der Sloot had made to Aruban businessman Patrick van der Eem. In it, van der Sloot claimed Holloway had died of a drug overdose on the beach, and that he and a friend had dumped her body at sea.

"He went out to sea and then he threw her out, like an old rag," van der Sloot said.

Following the broadcast of that confession, van der Sloot called the Dutch television program "Pauw & Witteman." He acknowledged making the comments, but said they were lies.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," van der Sloot said in reference to van der Eem.

Prosecutors later decided that the confession did not constitute legal evidence because the statements were a mixture of "lies and fantasy."

Van der Eem was reportedly paid about $35,000 by the program that broadcast the alleged confession.

Two years later, van der Sloot and reporter Zvezdana Vukojevic published a book, "The Case of Natalee Holloway." In it, van der Sloot gives his perspective on Holloway's disappearance and apologizes for his initial untruths, but maintains his innocence.

What, if anything, van der Sloot made from sales of the book remains unclear.

In November 2008, van der Sloot gave an hourlong interview to Fox News host Greta Van Susteren, during which he allegedly told her he had sold Holloway for $10,000 to a man he met in a casino. After the interview, van der Sloot called Fox and said he had been lying.

When Van Susteren discussed the interview during a Nov. 25, 2008, episode of "On the Record," she played a recorded conversation between van der Sloot and his father regarding allegations that the younger man was involved in human trafficking.

During the program, van der Sloot's attorney, Joe Tacopina, questioned Van Susteren about paying the young man for the recording, which he had made with his father. Van Susteren said she did not "buy" the recording, but acknowledged that Fox did "license" it.

"That's what the media does. You license photos, you license recordings, you license tape," she said.

Van Susteren did not comment on how much van der Sloot had been paid for licensing the tape, but some sources claim it was upward of $10,000.

Yet another statement van der Sloot made to the media was made public last week. This one was filmed in August 2009, but German news agency RTL said it had not aired the interview because it doubted its veracity. Nevertheless, the Dutch newspaper Telegraaf said it had viewed a recording of the interview.

According to the paper, van der Sloot named an accomplice and said the pair had taken Holloway to a friend's house, where they drank and used drugs. Holloway then allegedly climbed onto the rim of a balcony and began dancing.

"They both had just taken some coke," van der Sloot said, according to the Dutch newspaper. "I think she was pretty drunk, so she was just kind of dancing a striptease."

Van der Sloot said he walked over to Holloway and grabbed her by the hips, Telegraaf reported, at which point she "fell" from the balcony and was killed. He said he hid Holloway's body in a swamp because he was afraid of being prosecuted, the report said.

According to ABC News, the justice department in Aruba dismissed the most recent details, calling them "entirely unbelievable."

Several sources have told Alabama's NBC13 that van der Sloot was paid for the RTL interview. NBC13's Linda White confirmed this to AOL News, but said that her sources "did not know how much" he was paid.

Jasper Teijsse, a senior corporate adviser for RTL, told AOL News his news agency did not make any payments to van der Sloot. However, he did say that money was exchanged between RTL and the producer.

"RTL paid a production fee to the producer of a number of interviews, including a lie-detector test with van der Sloot," Teijsse said.

The question has since been directed to the producer, Jaap Amesz, but he has yet to respond.

It's difficult to trace whether van der Sloot is making much of a profit on these interviews. But Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency, said that the young Dutch man may be a "psychopathic personality" who is looking for attention. She has two possible explanations for why his stories are so changeable.

"One is that it isn't the truth, so there is not one exact replay of what happened for him to relive. Instead, he has to make up a new video of the event each time," she said.

"Secondly, he is the director of this 'film,' and he wants his audience to be engaged, and so he cuts what he realizes is not working or loses the interest of the person or he just suddenly gets a 'good idea' that he thinks will make a better story," Brown said.

"Psychopaths often do not think out the consequences of their actions or understand how others view their actions; he does what amuses him and makes him feel good."

Unless Holloway's body is found, it is highly unlikely anyone will ever be charged in her disappearance. And her family will never know exactly what happened.

"Because there was no body, no physical evidence, [Aruban authorities] do not feel they can win with just a half-baked story," Brown said.


http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/why-does-joran-van-der-sloot-keep-talking-about-natalee-holloway/19382131

[Nut44x4]

Gary has probably already been investigated (in the past 10 hours) and he has probably already been proven not to be a credible witness.

Our spell check does not list 'proven' as a word 

[Ono]

I do think that the natural reaction to having the police show up, after running the siren, etc., is to invite them in so that the neighbors don't hear/see everything.  I think it is unnatural to stand around outside.....unless of course, you have a reason not to have them in the house.

Exactly!

As a parent, I might hesitate if my child/children were sleeping in the house but I do believe I would quickly overcome that with a polite request for their consideration.  I would definately want the siren/lights business off and the people out of the street asap, of this I am sure!

Yes, that has always bothered me.  Being a lawyer, he would have understood that they couldn't search without a search warrant.  What was he so afraid of ?

My thoughts exactly ...  He also grew quite insulting 'pulling rank' so to speak & was quite defensive which I thought not normal.  He did not want anyone there whatsoever, IMO.   Then luring everyone off on pretense.

[Ono]

<snip>

I think they should question Poppin' Fresh too.

         

     And throw in a good shampoo.

[Rob]

Good Morning...

I am having some trouble finding Aruba Textile N.V / Alhambra shopping center. I keep getting Rumba Bar and Grill (maybe because they sell Balashi Beer and it's a linked term in sub-search, I don't know.)

Here's is the address from Carpe's post -

Aruba Textile Care N.V.
Mailing adress is Balashi 66/ P.O.Box 3079, Oranjestad ARUBA.

Tel. (297) 585-3293, fax. (297) 585-1899.

This is from Gary's post -

alhambra shopping center at address #56, called Aruba Textile Care

Here is where Dana's furniture seems to be located. It is not an exact address, but just the street, so, it's somewhere on there. The exact address does not come up in Google Virtual Earth. If I can get some help with the address for Aruba Textile, I will capture it and add it to the map. I can't seem to locate it.

[Rob]

I was looking for my photos of the KLPD search of the Sloots, I think it was April 28, 2007.  Anyway, didn't find those but I found this 

I love this one!!! 

sooo funny!

I have more pics of the KLPD, but I can't seem to find the one of the back wall. I knew I had it - I have plenty when they went down to the Kalpoe's and they threw a fit! 

I could post those again iffin' anyone wants to see them... if not, no worries.

[Rob]

66.gary on March 3rd, 2010 6:12 pm

Mon. night around 11:00pm, D.K. and Jvds pickup her body in D.K. car ( decomposition is starting to be notice) they take her to Jvds house, D.K. parkes his car inside the compound, so they couldn’t be seen, then Pvds, Jvds, D.K. buried her body up againest the house, at this time Beth and Jug showed up with the Police, they were sent on a wild goose chase, so the boys could move the car out of the compound, that night the two dogs started digging her up, they moved her inside the apt. and put her in the bathtub.

this was #3 location, all this info is being taken from Jvds 6/13/05 and the 6/14/05 p.v.s.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/02/27/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-to-involvement-in-death-of-natalee-holloway-is-it-really-all-a-lie-now-joran-says-natalee-fell-high-on-coke/comment-page-2/#comment-1974380

When those dutch guys finally came and started poking around in the van der sloots yard,  wasnt there a bunch of interest near the side of the house? My memory is for crap but it seems to me there was some big deal going on right up next to the side of the house.

last night I was thinking about this Blah, and if you remember they took away A LOT of soil samples from the side of the house - we never heard another word.

I would think if Natalee was there, and they went through that soil with a microscope and a fine tooth comb, they would find a hair or some skin cells.

We were all commenting about this at the time.

[Ono]

O   M   G!


Still catching on the old threads during the coma.  I just got to here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg916909#msg916909

    

     I agree.

[Ono]

Gary has probably already been investigated (in the past 10 hours) and he has probably already been proven not to be a credible witness.

Our spell check does not list 'proven' as a word 

It's probably a bored prankster named Joran enjoying stirring the pot again sprinkling in some half truths?

[Ono]

I was looking for my photos of the KLPD search of the Sloots, I think it was April 28, 2007.  Anyway, didn't find those but I found this 

I love this one!!! 

sooo funny!

I have more pics of the KLPD, but I can't seem to find the one of the back wall. I knew I had it - I have plenty when they went down to the Kalpoe's and they threw a fit! 

I could post those again iffin' anyone wants to see them... if not, no worries.

Rob:  I'd like to see them-I'm trying to catch up with everything as I stopped reading Natalee's thread when there were so many arguments regarding the cage a long time ago.   If you have time, I'd appreciate it-you always have interesting posts.  If you don't have time, that's alright.

[Blonde]

Well Aruba &  Brazil have been on SM a lot this week I saved some IP's 

[Tamikosmom]

I was looking for my photos of the KLPD search of the Sloots, I think it was April 28, 2007.  Anyway, didn't find those but I found this 

 


The following are images of the search of the van der Sloot property by the Dutch investigators ... two years too late.

Janet

+++++++

Van der Sloot Residence Search in Pictures, Part 1
Posted April 29, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/van-der-sloot-residence-search-in-pictures-part-1/

* There is a Nova interview with Paulus posted by Robert in the comment section.


Van der Sloot Residence Search in Pictures, Part 2
Posted April 29, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/van-der-sloot-residence-search-in-pictures-part-2/


Van der Sloot Residence Search in Pictures, Part 3
Posted April 29, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/van-der-sloot-residence-search-in-pictures-part-3/

[carpe noctem]

Carpe.....crap, I have missed you, lmao 

 

Thanks. Good to be back!

[Sharon/Tx]

The part in the secretly taped conversation about Enterprise always bothered me.  I always felt that the seats were swapped out.

This is one translation from Arubagirl...

Satish:  I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?

Deepak:  I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut

Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.

Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.

Joran:  I have said nothing about burying.  The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
 Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right?   Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right.  And then I went back to the beach for her.

Joran:  Who has said that?

Satish:  You said that.

Joran:  I have never said that friend.  I have never said that you went back, friend.

Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.

[klaasend]

Well Aruba &  Brazil have been on SM a lot this week I saved some IP's 

Thanks Blonde!  Wonder if that's Andre and his friends/family? 

ANDRE - Don't let Joran throw you under the bus!

[carpe noctem]

I LOOOOOVE that shot of Paulus.

It is the kind of uncomfortable smile that one gives off when they are trying to be happy.

It looks like perhaps you filled your pants... but dont want to tip anyone off to the fact.

The only hope in your mind at that moment, locating the nearest exit and to try
and make a run for it without running like Donald Duck.

Giving birth to a rapist and murderer like Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot
could also bring about a similar facial expression.

Joran, look! There is a dog you havent killed yet. It has to be neat to see that.