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« Reply #380 on: September 23, 2010, 02:56:12 PM »

Search of Love: Teens Lured Into Sex Trade
Police Say Portland, Ore., is a Hub for Child Sex Trafficking
ABC Nightline 9.22.10

http://abcnews.go.com/US/portland-emerges-hub-child-sex-trafficking/story?id=11690544&page=2

The first time "Katie" danced at a strip club, she was 13, and in the seventh grade.
Not long before, the Oregon girl had gone on an ordinary outing to a mall in downtown Portland. She met some boys there and they invited her to a party in the suburbs. At the party, Katie met an older boy she would begin to date.
"He bought me a lot of things, like shoes, outfits and purses and stuff like that," said Katie, of J, who she began to think of as her boyfriend.
Before long, J told her he was having financial trouble, and he asked her if she would she dance, "just once," at a strip club, she said. Katie, who had only ever worn high heels to church and on special occasions, soon was forced into working as a stripper and a street prostitute six days a week, she said.
Every year, at least 100,000 children are forced into prostitution in the United States, according to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. And Portland, routinely voted one of the most livable cities in the country, hides a dark secret: It is a national hub for child sex trafficking, police and victims' advocates say.
Children, young teens from all over the country, but mostly from the small towns of the Northwest, walk Portland's streets.
Katie's inauguration into the life was like that of countless other girls.
That first day at the strip club, she remembers looking out from the stage.
"It was gross," she told ABC News. "They're like older than my dad and grandpap and I just wanted to go home. "
She was told, "You can't go home, you have to finish your shift," she recalled. "And I was like, 'I don't work here,' and they were like, 'You do now.'"
"I realized I pretty much walked into a trap," she said.
Katie's is a classic case, said Sgt. Mike Geiger, who heads Portland's sexual assault detail. Cute young girls are being targeted by pimps.
"They look for them in the malls, the parks, on MySpace, Facebook," Geiger said. "(A)nd they look for them in the schools and walking downtown. They strike up a friendship with them."

Preying on Vulnerable Teens
Pimps fish for girls whose home lives are lacking in some way.
If a girl indicates she's not getting enough attention or is having some other problems at home, "They will use the information and become their rescuer,'' said Geiger of the pimps' strategy. "'I can fix all that,' the pimps will say. 'I can give you a place to stay. You're way too mature to be treated like that.'"
The pimp will then give the girl clothes and other things, as well as affection, said Geiger. "And then the trap has sprung."
Ruth Roberts says that's what happened to her daughter.
"I was a single mom working really late ... making six figures,'' she said. "My daughter was getting A's and B's. Playing basketball. ... She had a good life, a good family, she didn't need anything."
But Roberts' daughter, then 16, met a guy on Portland's subway system. They "dated" and he convinced to her run away and live with him, Roberts said.
Soon, said Roberts, "She was walking the streets."
Forced to stroll Portland's notorious prostitution area around 82nd Avenue, referred to as "the track," even in the bitter cold.
Often, though, according to Roberts, her daughter was "rented" out on Craigslist.com.
Roberts said she spent her life savings trying to find her daughter and rescue her from the streets and from her pimp.
But her daughter, Roberts said, was afraid to leave. Her pimp once handcuffed her to a steering wheel of a car while he disappeared into a house, Roberts said her daughter told her. The pimp returned covered in blood, changed his shirt, and they went out to eat.
"She thinks he killed someone," Roberts said.
It is this fear that routinely keeps girls on the stroll.
Katie obediently worked the strip clubs by day and the track by night. At just 13 years old, she often would get picked up by johns within minutes of walking "the track."
She said she lived with J and lived by his rules. Other girls would come and go, she said. She remembers one in particular who was about the same age as she was.
"He bought her," she told ABC News.

Pimp Tells Teen, 'There is No God Where You Live'
That girl would find a way to escape, and Katie said she dreamed of doing the same.
"I just prayed," she said. "I was, like, crying and then he came out and he was like, 'What are you doing?' and I said, 'Praying.' And he said, 'Didn't I tell you there is no God where you live?'"
Michelle Alston knows that desperation first hand. She said her mother was prostitute, and at age 13, she decided to follow in her footsteps.
"When you go out there you risk getting robbed, raped, beat,'' she said. "You're getting in a car with someone you don't know. You risk that. ... Do I think it's worth it? No, but at the time it's all I knew."
Even though she was only 13 when she started, Alston said that sometimes she would have to lie about her age, when the john wanted someone younger.
"That's what they liked,'' she said.
When she was 14, Alston was introduced to the Internet and decided to go into business for herself.
"I would post online, Craigslist, City Vibe, Arrows Guide,'' she said. More than a dozen girls worked for her, she said, and she would post pictures of other girls, along with information about them, their fee and a phone number.
At 17, she was arrested and charged with "compelling and promoting prostitution."
She was a teenaged female pimp.
"I don't like that term,'' she told ABC, saying that she preferred to think of herself as a "financial advisor."
"I'd advise them to put their finances in my hands," she said.
Alston served three years in prison. She was pregnant when she began her sentence and gave birth in prison to a baby girl.
Helping women and girls to escape prostitution is fraught with challenges, experts say. For one, they are often treated as criminals, though they are just children and many have been forced into sex work.
"They might say to you, 'I've lived through more than most 40 year olds,' but then they say 'Oh, and I really love Justin Bieber,'" said Esther Nelson, a victims' advocate in Portland.
Nelson said she now sees girls forced into prostitution who are coming from and going to all parts of the country -- Atlanta, Hawaii, Chicago, New Orleans.
The city of Portland is home to more than 100 strip clubs and massage parlors, making it, per capita, the largest legal commercial sex industry in the nation.
"We have a very vibrant sex industry that is considered legitimate," she said. "And when you have that, you find the exploitation of children, because the sex industry is built on the exploitation of innocent people."
Police say Nelson is witnessing the results of sophisticated human trafficking now run by gangs who've realized it's often easier and more profitable to move girls than it is to move drugs.

Girls Branded With their Pimps' Logos
Authorities have many troubling stories to tell of the ways in which the girls are abused and victimized.
"People have been gang raped, tied up in Saran Wrap," Geiger said. "We're talking about 13-year-old girls left for dead in their hotel rooms without water or food for days. Pimps put logos on their bodies and they're treated like animals."
Geiger said Portland is badly in need of more shelters to help give the teen prostitutes a safe gateway off the streets.
"Often they end up in a juvenile detention center with less resources than they deserve," he said.
More often than not, Nelson said, the girls return to the street.
Escaping the Life
Katie was able to escape her pimp after waiting weeks for a bed in a shelter.
Roberts' daughter is no longer working as a prostitute, she said. But the young woman remains fearful that her pimp will find her.
Alston, who now works at a restaurant, said she hopes the family profession stops with her. She plans to shelter her curly-haired daughter, who she said has her hazel eyes, as much as possible.
"I want her to be successful and happy,'' she said. "I just want her to have everything I didn't."
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« Reply #381 on: September 23, 2010, 02:58:01 PM »

Hello everyone. I have been gone a few days, my home computer got a nasty virus and my work computer has been tied up with, well work stuff. So needless to say, I am so far behind I will not even attempt to go and read back. I have been reading the past few pages and it doesn't seem like I missed anything major but if I did, would someone mind posting a just a brief summery of anything big that may have happened?
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« Reply #382 on: September 23, 2010, 02:59:33 PM »

Sorry for long post - if too long KLASS plz modify....There's a video also in the link.
ABC Nightline -  Police Say Portland, Ore., is a Hub for Child Sex Trafficking

http://abcnews.go.com/US/portland-emerges-hub-child-sex-trafficking/story?id=11690544&page=2
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« Reply #383 on: September 23, 2010, 03:02:42 PM »

Flymonkey - out of curiosity.  Are either you, DeDe or Terri friends with Paul Pavlock?

I don't know who Paul Pavlock is, and I don't think DeDe has ever mentioned that name to me.  Terri, I do not know.  Would you like me to ask DeDe if she knows him?  Who is he?

He was a very well respected architect in the Hillsboro area.  Not so respected now.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103553199.html
Klaas when was this guy arrested?
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« Reply #384 on: September 23, 2010, 03:03:59 PM »

Flymonkey - out of curiosity.  Are either you, DeDe or Terri friends with Paul Pavlock?

I don't know who Paul Pavlock is, and I don't think DeDe has ever mentioned that name to me.  Terri, I do not know.  Would you like me to ask DeDe if she knows him?  Who is he?

He was a very well respected architect in the Hillsboro area.  Not so respected now.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103553199.html
Klaas when was this guy arrested?

April 10th I believe
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« Reply #385 on: September 23, 2010, 04:33:36 PM »

I wanted to thank Sassifrass for doing her best to get Harry Oakes back searching.

Puzzler, do you think Tuba's post might be pointing to the GK?  We do know he had opportunity as he was there, Kyron knew him { I think} and he left about the same time as Kyron, around 9.  Hmmmmm  He gave the window of 8:30 to 9 to put the mower away.  Pretty vague, eh?
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« Reply #386 on: September 23, 2010, 04:58:49 PM »

I wanted to thank Sassifrass for doing her best to get Harry Oakes back searching.

Puzzler, do you think Tuba's post might be pointing to the GK?  We do know he had opportunity as he was there, Kyron knew him { I think} and he left about the same time as Kyron, around 9.  Hmmmmm  He gave the window of 8:30 to 9 to put the mower away.  Pretty vague, eh?

Scandi, I really don't have any lightbulbs going on as to "who" this initial friend is that turned enemy and targeted Kyron.  It's pretty "broad" in the term friend - that could be anybody: employee, faculty, parent, anyone helping out with cleanup day, etc.  She's definate, though, in that LE is quickly closing in on the criminal due to a surprised evidentiary discovery just found.  In other words, LE just discovered evidence - something they were surprised to find. 

IMO, Tuba's post tells us more about "what" (piece of evidence) and "when" (now) instead of "who" the criminal is. 

I don't think there's enough about "who" to really speculate on.

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« Reply #387 on: September 23, 2010, 05:07:53 PM »

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-arrested-for-child-porn-103641464.html

Clackamas bus driver arrested for child porn

by Michael Rollins, KGW staff
Bio | Email | Follow: @KGWNews

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Posted on September 23, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Updated today at 11:38 AM

OREGON CITY -- A Clackamas County  man was arrested Wednesday by Oregon Department of Justice officials on multiple child porn accusations.

Neil Bryan McKinney was being held in the Clackamas County Jail on 10 counts of encouraging child sex abuse.

His Facebook page says he has been a driver/dispatcher with First Student school bus services since September of 2008.

McKinney was to be arraigned today at 3 p.m.

Tony Green, spokesman for Attorney General John Kroger, said this appears to be an isolated case for now. Tips on such cases usually come to the AG's office through the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, he said.

McKinney's Facebook page also says he is a 1984 graduate of Rex Putnam High School. He was with the Oregon Army National Guard from June 1986 to May of 2009 and in the Army Reserves from December 1985 to June of 1986 in the 104th Division Reserve Band.

McKinney's bail was set at $250,000.
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« Reply #388 on: September 23, 2010, 06:01:21 PM »

 

Flymonkey said in one of his/her posts that s/he is hundreds of miles from Dede.  So Fly only knows what Dede tells long distance.

I wonder when they are so far apart, what kind of relationship fly has with Dede.
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« Reply #389 on: September 23, 2010, 06:28:26 PM »

I wanted to thank Sassifrass for doing her best to get Harry Oakes back searching.

Puzzler, do you think Tuba's post might be pointing to the GK?  We do know he had opportunity as he was there, Kyron knew him { I think} and he left about the same time as Kyron, around 9.  Hmmmmm  He gave the window of 8:30 to 9 to put the mower away.  Pretty vague, eh?

Scandi, I really don't have any lightbulbs going on as to "who" this initial friend is that turned enemy and targeted Kyron.  It's pretty "broad" in the term friend - that could be anybody: employee, faculty, parent, anyone helping out with cleanup day, etc.  She's definate, though, in that LE is quickly closing in on the criminal due to a surprised evidentiary discovery just found.  In other words, LE just discovered evidence - something they were surprised to find. 

IMO, Tuba's post tells us more about "what" (piece of evidence) and "when" (now) instead of "who" the criminal is. 

I don't think there's enough about "who" to really speculate on.



Thanks Puzzler,  WS is down right now but I will get over there to read her post.  I'd love to read the clues to the 'what.
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« Reply #390 on: September 23, 2010, 07:28:55 PM »

Flymonkey - out of curiosity.  Are either you, DeDe or Terri friends with Paul Pavlock?

I don't know who Paul Pavlock is, and I don't think DeDe has ever mentioned that name to me.  Terri, I do not know.  Would you like me to ask DeDe if she knows him?  Who is he?

He was a very well respected architect in the Hillsboro area.  Not so respected now.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103553199.html
Klaas when was this guy arrested?

April 10th I believe

I find the timing of his plea change interesting.  Also, I first heard a news blurb about it yesterday morning on KGW but couldn't find any info on their website about it for quite a long time.  It was like it had poofed.
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« Reply #391 on: September 23, 2010, 09:21:47 PM »

Somehow I believe that this is just Terri and a few people she knows..that pulled this off.  This isn't a big porno or child abduction group...if it was it would have been solved.

The porn and human trafficking is there..but I am thinking that this is much more simple.  And that while looking into those areas LE found things that were worse then they thought they knew in Portland.  That sets the stage for lots of little crimes, not to belittle them, but rather then a group..individuals.  Maybe that is what shocked them..not the groups..but the small private part of al this.  That as much as there is home grown pot..there is home grown pedo circles, small, descret and very private.

I don't think that helps us find Kyron..because I still believe that Terri invited the vampire in the house.  God knows Terri never wanted to be considered a haus frau, but she never wanted to work either.

 I believe she under estimated the vampire..I believe she knew what was happening that day, and with limited street smarts..she didn't know how to stop what was already in motion.  Of course she will never admit this..it is two fold..I am guilty of double crossing the bad guys and I am guilty of knowing who might be involved because of me.  She is in cover your a$$ mode..and a peice of cr@P in my mind..her safety vs Kyrons.

That is my BS opinion..seriously..I believe that Terri groomed Kyron and lead him to the LIONS DEN.  I will say this..I think she was not aware at what day or time this might take place..but she knew, she knew.
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« Reply #392 on: September 23, 2010, 09:30:45 PM »

Somehow I believe that this is just Terri and a few people she knows..that pulled this off.  This isn't a big porno or child abduction group...if it was it would have been solved.

The porn and human trafficking is there..but I am thinking that this is much more simple.  And that while looking into those areas LE found things that were worse then they thought they knew in Portland.  That sets the stage for lots of little crimes, not to belittle them, but rather then a group..individuals.  Maybe that is what shocked them..not the groups..but the small private part of al this.  That as much as there is home grown pot..there is home grown pedo circles, small, descret and very private.

I don't think that helps us find Kyron..because I still believe that Terri invited the vampire in the house.  God knows Terri never wanted to be considered a haus frau, but she never wanted to work either.

 I believe she under estimated the vampire..I believe she knew what was happening that day, and with limited street smarts..she didn't know how to stop what was already in motion.  Of course she will never admit this..it is two fold..I am guilty of double crossing the bad guys and I am guilty of knowing who might be involved because of me.  She is in cover your a$$ mode..and a peice of cr@P in my mind..her safety vs Kyrons.

That is my BS opinion..seriously..I believe that Terri groomed Kyron and lead him to the LIONS DEN.  I will say this..I think she was not aware at what day or time this might take place..but she knew, she knew.

I agree Gypsy.  I don't believe it was this huge conspiracy sceme that some are coming up with.  Though it is understandable to let our minds go off on to so many paths, with so little info and of course nothing should be pushed aside and not looked at.  It's frustrating to all of us.  I do believe they may have possibly found a parallel crime while searching for answers, but not so much related to Kyron.

I just see this as what it has appeared to be at the beginning of when Terri began to look suspicous.  I think she had something to do with this, just by her actions and what LE has us to believe, but what happened after they left the school is the huge question.

Maybe my brain just can't wrap my brain around this whole child slavery, etc....  I just feel it's much simpler than that.  But I could  very well be wrong.
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« Reply #393 on: September 23, 2010, 09:34:02 PM »

Somehow I believe that this is just Terri and a few people she knows..that pulled this off.  This isn't a big porno or child abduction group...if it was it would have been solved.

The porn and human trafficking is there..but I am thinking that this is much more simple.  And that while looking into those areas LE found things that were worse then they thought they knew in Portland.  That sets the stage for lots of little crimes, not to belittle them, but rather then a group..individuals.  Maybe that is what shocked them..not the groups..but the small private part of al this.  That as much as there is home grown pot..there is home grown pedo circles, small, descret and very private.

I don't think that helps us find Kyron..because I still believe that Terri invited the vampire in the house.  God knows Terri never wanted to be considered a haus frau, but she never wanted to work either.

 I believe she under estimated the vampire..I believe she knew what was happening that day, and with limited street smarts..she didn't know how to stop what was already in motion.  Of course she will never admit this..it is two fold..I am guilty of double crossing the bad guys and I am guilty of knowing who might be involved because of me.  She is in cover your a$$ mode..and a peice of cr@P in my mind..her safety vs Kyrons.

That is my BS opinion..seriously..I believe that Terri groomed Kyron and lead him to the LIONS DEN.  I will say this..I think she was not aware at what day or time this might take place..but she knew, she knew.

Your post makes such sense to me Gypsy.

Also, I think she went into a big panic.  Going to 2 Freddies stores is just plumb weird.  They are seldom out of anything.  I think she went to the first one and bought something.  Maybe was suppose to meet someone there who didn't show.  Then she thought maybe the other party got the wrong Freddies and so she went there too - no additional purchases that we have heard about.  I think when she decided to drive to the second store she knew she had lost control.  The wild drive at SI seems to influence what I think however.   

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« Reply #394 on: September 23, 2010, 09:58:04 PM »

Slow afternoon, eh?

Everyone keeps talking about the possibility of the coat and backpack left on Kyron's desk on June 4th.  His desk had his project standing up on it that morning.  He disappeared from what we have read before 10am when the science fair ended.  I doubt he would have set his bulky things on the desk as it would take away from the project he was so proud of, right?
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« Reply #395 on: September 23, 2010, 10:02:30 PM »

Slow afternoon, eh?

Everyone keeps talking about the possibility of the coat and backpack left on Kyron's desk on June 4th.  His desk had his project standing up on it that morning.  He disappeared from what we have read before 10am when the science fair ended.  I doubt he would have set his bulky things on the desk as it would take away from the project he was so proud of, right?

Hi Scandi!  Maybe there was another place where the kids put their coats and backpacks.  Some schools have hooks on the wall for those things.  Several people here have talked about them being at his desk, but I don't know if we know for sure that's where they were.  Of course, I could certainly be wrong. 
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« Reply #396 on: September 23, 2010, 10:08:32 PM »

 

There is a pic somewhere of the classroom and the coats and backpacks are on hooks on a wall.
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« Reply #397 on: September 23, 2010, 10:09:00 PM »

Slow afternoon, eh?

Everyone keeps talking about the possibility of the coat and backpack left on Kyron's desk on June 4th.  His desk had his project standing up on it that morning.  He disappeared from what we have read before 10am when the science fair ended.  I doubt he would have set his bulky things on the desk as it would take away from the project he was so proud of, right?

Scandi, not sure.  I was under the impression the projects were in one central location, like the gym or or other large area, rather than their desks?  Remember, Terri, supposedly, watched him go to his room, after looking at the science projects. So I was thinking his coat and backpack were in his classroom, but the projects elsewhere?  I could be wrong.
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« Reply #398 on: September 23, 2010, 10:24:07 PM »

Early on in the case I remember the sheriff saying they were looking for a large container. I don't have the link. There was a huge discussion here about the container on TH's porch. Are they still leaning in that direction?

Unfortunately I think if this case is solved it will be by accident. Meaning that a normal citizen will run across something. I don't think TH removed Kyron from the school, but I do think that she is in this up to her eyeballs.
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« Reply #399 on: September 23, 2010, 10:26:13 PM »

Early on in the case I remember the sheriff saying they were looking for a large container. I don't have the link. There was a huge discussion here about the container on TH's porch. Are they still leaning in that direction?

Unfortunately I think if this case is solved it will be by accident. Meaning that a normal citizen will run across something. I don't think TH removed Kyron from the school, but I do think that she is in this up to her eyeballs.

I remember the container as well and in the respect of Sauvie Island and water. 

I agree with your assessment too.
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