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Buckeye
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
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Reply #60 on:
March 24, 2008, 06:24:01 PM »
Joran from Current Affair Sept 2005:
Joran van der Sloot:
That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a
beach bum
. I don’t know. Someone on the island that
she might have met before
. That was my first reaction. And yeah, and afterwards, that is what
we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed
with me, and I just feel bad. I really don’t know.
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm
Sounds a little like the Simian casino line...or perhaps throwing GVC under the bus.
Mum
The 116 days if VERY interesting.....
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March 24, 2008, 06:25:13 PM »
Quote from: finngirl on March 24, 2008, 05:36:33 PM
"one witness is no witness" ...
came up when discussing that w/o further evidence,
it takes more than a witness statement
to persuade prosecutor/judge/jury that crime was committed
confessing to a crime, w/o further evidence,
is not enough to ensure conviction
or even a trial, for that matter
habeas corpus: latin for (we command) that you have the body
"show me the body"
also interpreted/defined as: show me the evidence ...
because not all crimes involve a body
all trials must produce evidence
above/beyond witness statement or confession
we need to read entire conversations, not just codetalker quotes
Absolutely!! I have shouted this until I am blue in the face...frankly, I have given up trying to make this understood. The mystery posters were not just talking to themselves...ever. They were communicating with the other people in the comment sections...just as one person answers another now.
For example: This is the reply from Simian after edie asked this question...it is plain and simple and answer to edie and no one else.
#
edie on June 26th, 2005 2:57 pm
I don’t know what to think…
I thought Steve was the “music man”
and that he was singing. If he was singing, they wouldn’t have let him go would they?
# Simian on June 26th, 2005 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
edie on June 26th, 2005 3:00 pm
Ok I remember you saying this but I need some elaboration. Does that mean one witness will not do or nothing he said had to do with the investigation… I know you cant tell us so I guess we will see.
Shango picks up on the conversation between Simian and the others and jumps in with:
#
max on June 26th, 2005 3:08 pm
Looks like sc providing a boat theory is out less they just couldnt prove it. Think they said you have to go out a mile before the current takes hold. Anyone know the details on that.
# Shango on June 26th, 2005 3:09 pm
Simian,
who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
Then the conversation becomes more between Simian and Shango, but Simian goes back to answer a question that was asked several minutes before when Yolande and edie are asking where Shockthemonkey is:
Simian on June 26th, 2005 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.
Context is important. MOO
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March 24, 2008, 06:30:22 PM »
Were they counting the S G ?
Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005
Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot
(search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.
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COLOMBO
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Quote from: Blonde on March 24, 2008, 06:30:22 PM
Were they counting the S G ?
Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005
Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot
(search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.
PVDS? murder & kidnapping???? perhaps the "boyfriend from earlier in the week" cover story was better for tourism, and fit the evidence (evidence had PVDS in a legal checkmate)
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Where is everyone...The decoder team.. have send you all and Mbox.
Check it.
you have to read Simian first for the keys and then pick up Shango and decode.
Shango need to be put in date and time sequeance first and then split... it has two stories morph into one document. there is two of each entities or players. a bit more complex but once the split it will be easy with Simian key's
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JE
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Klaas i have a question
on old post of yours said:
Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy. Interresting too something I just noticed. Another nickname using that same IP. Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.
Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)
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March 25, 2008, 06:32:13 AM »
Anywhere near Jacksonville?
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March 25, 2008, 07:16:45 AM »
JE…
From the last thread
Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!
On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.
The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.
From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…
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March 25, 2008, 07:35:05 AM »
SS and texasmom
…I am a little confused on the Solognier/Solagnier names. Can either you help? Are they connected or are they two separated families? TIA
Altruist
…there was discussion on the NAH thread about a party on the ‘Tattoo’ about a month or so ago. Klaas posted that there was one on the Saturday night, as the place where the after-party for the Soul Beach Festival became too crowded and some partied on the ‘Tattoo’. I have wondered if there was one on the Sunday as well, but if it was a big party, I’m sure we would have at least heard something from tourists.
Interesting that Aruba lost the Soul Beach Festival for 2006/2007 and appears to have it back this year, IIRC...what happened to 'no wampum for many years'?
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Quote from: JE on March 25, 2008, 06:09:14 AM
Klaas i have a question
on old post of yours said:
Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy. Interresting too something I just noticed. Another nickname using that same IP. Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.
Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273
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JE
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Quote from: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 07:16:45 AM
JE…
From the last thread
Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!
On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.
The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.
From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…
The number 112
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.
The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.
Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well.
112
is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?
Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.
Phones hacked by the babylonian hand.
112
pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.
The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.
The number 116
82. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are
116
and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post
I saw your 116 days from disappearance to election interesting indeed, dont know what to make of it yet though
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MumInOhio
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
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March 25, 2008, 08:15:41 AM »
Quote from: JE on March 25, 2008, 07:48:05 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 07:16:45 AM
JE…
From the last thread
Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!
On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.
The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.
From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…
The number 112
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.
The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.
Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well.
112
is the number brought in. None have added.
Whose hand is still in he picture?
FREDDY'S
Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.
Phones hacked by the babylonian hand.
112
pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.
The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.
The number 116
82. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are
116
and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post
I saw your 116 days from disappearance to election interesting indeed, dont know what to make of it yet though
[/quote
My response
...I messed up the quote...LOL...need more coffee!
Not sure what to make of it either, but it is interesting. Thanks for bringing the 112 posts over.
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MumInOhio
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March 25, 2008, 08:21:31 AM »
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 07:35:52 AM
Quote from: JE on March 25, 2008, 06:09:14 AM
Klaas i have a question
on old post of yours said:
Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy. Interresting too something I just noticed. Another nickname using that same IP. Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.
Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273
)
Good Morning...I think! I am not sure what a sunken WW2 sub has to do with a poster...LOL
Back to catching up and more coffee...
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From Lala’s:
Context is important. MOO
Thanks and please keep posting ‘in context’!
From Buckeye:
Joran from Current Affair Sept 2005:
Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction. And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad. I really don’t know.
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm
Sounds a little like the Simian casino line...
or perhaps throwing GVC under the bus.
Yes on throwing GVC under the bus...
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The reason i asked about the location
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This is Steve Croes mother...from the last thread...not sure if it will help anyone checking out the ancestry.
Reply #3130 on: March 05, 2008, 06:43:37 PM » From vms
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Quote from: Blonde on March 05, 2008, 06:28:36 PM
Anyone remember SC's Mother didn't she live in CURACAO
IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.05.html
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I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.
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Quote from: Blonde on March 25, 2008, 08:45:59 AM
I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.
Morning Blonde...It took me a while to work out which location...Steve's mom's or robalo 33's!!!!
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Quote from: Blonde on March 25, 2008, 08:45:59 AM
I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.
I am aware of that. I just thought i should mention it
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March 25, 2008, 09:57:49 AM »
Was Paulus arrested/detained before June 23rd.2005? And if so, on what date...changes the 5th. of course if he was, say around the 13th.???? Also depends on how Simian is defining his suspects!!!
February 03, 2008, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 03, 2008, 11:03:29 AM
beans...did you see my question to you on page 35...TIA
Is your question whether or not Paulus spent the night in jail? He did - he was there for only a short time - I remember him walking out with his attorney and the plastic bag (Aruban Samsonite) with his things in it. I posted I thought it was the 14th of June but someone later said it was the 17th I believe. I was going from memory and estimating.
Frijole… February 01, 2008, 08:59:54 PM
Yes, because the confession that didn't happen (cough, spit) took place on June 10th. I think the 14th was around the time that Paulus spent the night in the slammer. Rocks were painted on 12th/13th (arubay videos).
In fact a ton of activity was around that time. That is when the real cover up began.
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From RWV…my translation
...sorry!
Civilian,
Awe mi a scucha na radio cu parece un di e bewakernan a bisa cu Joran tabata yora den cel y cu e ta masha preocupa y parece cu e la bisa Jones cu nan tres a palabra canto di pool na Joran su cas. Dus cada rato tin un otro version. Dus ban mira awor kiko ta sali di e caso aki. Mi ta spera cu un di nan papia pa caba pasobra e cuenta ki tin mi harta! Pero cualkier cos mi ta laga bo sa. Kiermen awor aki TopFm 95.1 ta bezig ta buscando informashon pa wak si Joran enberdad tin pool na su cas.
Posted by: Aruban | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:24 PM
today i have listen at radio cu parece one of the bewakernan owing to tell cu
joran was cry
in cel y cu the is very preocupa y parece cu the la tell jones cu they three owing to word canto of pool at joran his cas. dus cada rato have one another version. dus as see now what is leave of the caso here. i am wait for cu one of they talk for end because the cuenta what have my harta! but cualkier cos i am let do you know. kiermen now here topfm 95.1 is bezig is buscando information for look at if joran enberdad have pool at his cas. come across
From Simian:
Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in
again
by Aruban Police.
Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in
again
by the authorities.
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=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
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=> News of the Day
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=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
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