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Brand new Cage! May we find justice for Nevaeh on this cage!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Muffy and everyone else.  My machine froze for a second.

Fanny Mae I wanted to agree with your post on the previous thread that I also think there is definitely two people involved possibly three.

YW San.  I don't know why puters freeze up just about the time we get ready to do something.  It' s happened to me too.  As always, it's great to see you, San.  Thanks for changing the thread. 

Fanny Mae I wanted to agree with your post on the previous thread that I also think there is definitely two people involved possibly three.

Thanks San, it just makes sense to me. Just the terrain alone where this burial was done screams to me it was not an easy job. I saw the thickness of the slab of cement tonight on Nancy Grace, and what a large area it was. It makes no sense to me that the powder was just poured over her and water from the river poured on top. It just wouldn't end up that thick. I have worked with quikcrete before, and it you don't work it somewhat, there are pockets of dried concrete that never gets wet. This looked very solid and looked like it was not a quick job. I think there were more tools and something to mix it in. I am just hung up on the fact of what a horrible place and way to dispose of a child.

Good Nite Muffy Bee and San. I'm going myself.  ::MonkeyAngel::

You know it could easily be one person if it were planned.  Hole dug, bags waiting all they needed was to bring down the child.  That would be even worse but it is possible that one person could have done this easily.

Scary but possible ... ::sigh::

IDK... I think if this was a "man/woman with a plan" they would have researched the area a bit more thoroughly, realized other people come down there to fish. They would have studied up on how to bury a body and make concrete that is solid, not shifty. I wonder how heavy the two rocks that were moved were? And what was the time frame really? The neighbor says Neveah left with mutha at 330-345. She was not reported missing until 6-630? What time was GK hauled into the cop shop or his buddy there? Neveah may have been killed and buried before LE even got the call.

The neighbour is the last adult.  But they still have the two kids, boy and girl that they interviewed that said they were playing with her in the parking lot.  I am not sure how they fit into the timeline, but I believe it was later that afternoon. Who knows though, stories are changing and reporting is all over the place. 

It is confirmed that Nevaeh had no dental records as she was never to the dentist.  Deputies went to the apt. to get fingerprint evidence and according to the reporter the did not get any.
 
http://www.wxyz.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=20924@wxyz.dayport.com&navCatId=16

How can a child live in a  house and not leave fingerprints?

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: WHAT????????????????????? NOOOOOOOOOO WAYYYYY!!!!!!!! Something is rotten here....either that is misreporting or mommie dearest is involved in this up to her sunglasses.

The bags being 90lbs makes a difference. The would be difficult to carry by one person especially if the slope on the bank is really steep as is being reported.  I am guessing at least two people to carry bags, shovel and child with  multiple trips. 

This whole case has been fishy from the very beginning.  I do not believe one word that mother says.  Here she goes on the radio defending her sick boyfriend, yet I have not seen her shed one tear, not one.  We can expect this kind of thing happening to our kids from now on and it's only going to get worse because the court system will not do anything to remedy this problem.  Since the public cannot take care of these sex offenders it's up to our government.  I'm telling ya, it's really going to come back to public hangings, rock throwing etc because I don't know how much longe the America people can tolerate this happening to our children.  My gosh, you cannot let your child go out the door of your house anymore without holding their hands and never taking your eyes off them.  I was three and four years old running around my neighborhood.  That was a long time ago, but you just can't do that now.

OMG I am watching the fox video and I am ill.

They are right at the scene, and say she was in the hole naked, her clothes and a Busch beer can were throwing in the hole with her. FBI have traced the beer can to a Hi-lite market in Monroe.  The guy was drinking beer while he was mixing the concrete?

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090605_nevaeh_friday

OMG I am watching the fox video and I am ill.

They are right at the scene, and say she was in the hole naked, her clothes and a Busch beer can were throwing in the hole with her. FBI have traced the beer can to a Hi-lite market in Monroe.  The guy was drinking beer while he was mixing the concrete?

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090605_nevaeh_friday

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Nevaeh%20Buchanan/?evt=user_upload_approve&sort=ascending

OMG I am watching the fox video and I am ill.

They are right at the scene, and say she was in the hole naked, her clothes and a Busch beer can were throwing in the hole with her. FBI have traced the beer can to a Hi-lite market in Monroe.  The guy was drinking beer while he was mixing the concrete?

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090605_nevaeh_friday

It is confirmed that Nevaeh had no dental records as she was never to the dentist.  Deputies went to the apt. to get fingerprint evidence and according to the reporter the did not get any.
 
http://www.wxyz.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=20924@wxyz.dayport.com&navCatId=16

How can a child live in a  house and not leave fingerprints?

Good Morning, I think. I was just catching up, and I feel I'm going to vomit after reading this  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

  ::MonkeyEek:: That's not possible, it just couldn't be. My God, did they clean down the apt with a fine tooth comb, and even then you can bet there would be a fingerprint. On a window, tv, somewhere  ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks Nut - this person has some photos I hadn't seen before:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/0604_monroe.jpg)

The beer can should have prints ..not sure about the DNA though.  Suppose it was a beer can the person found in the area and used to mix the cement..for the water.  But still it would have the prints.   Why in the world would you leave the beer can with Neveah if it had yur own DNA on it?  Why didn't they dispose of the beer can somewhere else or just throw it in the lake..makes no sense.

drinking a beer while mixing cement to hide a tiny child's body...now that is cold! pure and simple evil is this person!
an arrest soon...guaranteed!
and if he isn't already in jail, when he is found, I hope that the neighborhood takes things into their own hands and beats the crap outta him/her just like they did in that one neighborhood when an 11 yr old girl was raped...the "heroes" even collected a $10,000 reward!  beat the crap outta the rapist of that child....this is going to start happening more and more...people are sick of the perverts getting outta jail quick cards and are going to take care of the pervs themselves....I say bravo!

Gypsy...nope...no charges against those guys who beat him up...and if they were charged,there wouldn't be a jury in the USA anywhere who would find them guilty imo....

I don't think I've posted in this one.
I tried to learn a lesson from the Tori case where the Mum was a suspect and was trashed by everyone. I am not sticking up for the girl's bio Mom, but what I am trying to say is that we are all getting our opinions on this case from the media. The media does get it WRONG sometimes when it comes to FACTS. I've read different times when the girl went missing, different times of the one we suspect's alibi, his GF alibi and just about everything.
Me, I think George should stay in jail forever, his gf should be there too and so should Jennifer. Just for being a RSO, being a gf of an RSO and the stupid thinking of the Bio Mom. An RSO that is the father figure / Why not the devil himself ? 
Jennifer knew of George's history and she still let him around her kiddo. Regardless of who, what, where and the why, that's enough for her to be charged with reckless child endangerment.

In that motel aren't there several SO's? 

And how do LE know where the beer was bought? Is it like a store brand of beer? As you can see I don't drink beer, just curious how they know what store.

I don't think I've posted in this one.
I tried to learn a lesson from the Tori case where the Mum was a suspect and was trashed by everyone. I am not sticking up for the girl's bio Mom, but what I am trying to say is that we are all getting our opinions on this case from the media. The media does get it WRONG sometimes when it comes to FACTS. I've read different times when the girl went missing, different times of the one we suspect's alibi, his GF alibi and just about everything.
Me, I think George should stay in jail forever, his gf should be there too and so should Jennifer. Just for being a RSO, being a gf of an RSO and the stupid thinking of the Bio Mom. An RSO that is the father figure / Why not the devil himself ? 
Jennifer knew of George's history and she still let him around her kiddo. Regardless of who, what, where and the why, that's enough for her to be charged with reckless child endangerment.

  i think at least 3.

Good morning Monks. As you can see by my post count, I don't post often. I do find the beer can in with Naveah a little strange. Would it be possible the mother and one of her pedo friends did this and are using the beer can to point the finger at another person? It would be easy to keep a beer can from a party or whatever. I don't want to blame anyone or take up for a pedo, it just seems a little weird to leave that kind of evidence.

Morning Monkeys! NRCG they got the store info from the barcode on the can ::cartwheel:: But I admit it COULD be a red herring ... Then again whoever did this is not the brightest.

Hi Kat, I don't post over here much myself. In this case, though, I think Nevaeh's mom has done it to her own self with her inappropriate comments from the beginning. They were not taken out of context by the media. She started talking about her child in the past tense on day one, and then defending her "friends" instead of pleading for the return of her child.

But you are right, she should at least be in jail for knowingly allowing more than one RSO come in contact with her five yr old child. And the grandmother too, if she knew they were RSO's. I believe she did, as Jennifer's brother stated that he had raised hell with both of them about it.

Tori's case was awful, just awful how that poor mom was treated. Everyone critized everything she said and did, Such as her not crying.... a lot of lessons need to be learned just by that one case, in my opinion. I agree the media is not doing a good job of reporting this case and the rumor mill in Monroe is not helping matters.

I completely agree it is very disturbing how JB could bring Kennedy around her daughter and allow him to have a relationship with her. What an ingnorant and dangerous thing to do! Drugs have affected this person, to me that is obvious. If GK killed this child then the mom has some explaning to do, even if she wasn't involved. I think however you will find a SO which worked himself into her life to get to the child. manipulative *asterds! I don't think she should have been left to watch this child, not with the suspected drug abuse! But! just as many families in these threads have done, she left her child unattended, (I really wish people would stop doing that!) Think about it, most cases the child was alone or without adult supervision, walking alone, playing alone, playing with other children without an adult, even for a moment... Do we arrest every parent? Do we charge every parent? What is the cut off? Not trying to argue, just making my previous and continuous point of why this subject needs public awareness.

several of you have posted you believe there were two or three people to dispose of the body, and I dont know how to say this, but wouldnt that be very strange for a SO to have a partner?  Or for any group of people to help dispose a childs body? 

I'm just wondering say if it is George and is girlfriend Savannah helped, in which way she helped I wouldn't know. But I have read rumors about her, and if true, lets just say, she isn't like a lot of women that would never be part of such a horrific thing. But in Tori's case, there was a man and woman. And Paul B and Karla H were also a team.

several of you have posted you believe there were two or three people to dispose of the body, and I dont know how to say this, but wouldnt that be very strange for a SO to have a partner?  Or for any group of people to help dispose a childs body? 

Thank you for your response.  That is just horrible.

several of you have posted you believe there were two or three people to dispose of the body, and I dont know how to say this, but wouldnt that be very strange for a SO to have a partner?  Or for any group of people to help dispose a childs body? 

Tori's accused killer on suicide watch
May 26, 2009
Cherri Greeno, and Record news services
RECORD STAFF; The Canadian Press

KITCHENER

The man accused of abducting and killing Victoria Stafford is in segregation and on suicide watch in a London jail, his Kitchener lawyer said yesterday.

"He's in a six by eight (foot) jail cell trying to survive," Hal Mattson said.

"That's what he's concentrating on right now."

Michael Rafferty, 28, was charged last week with first-degree murder and abduction in connection with the April 8 disappearance of Victoria 'Tori' Stafford. She was taken as she walked away from her Woodstock school.

Rafferty's girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, 18, is charged with abduction and being an accessory.

More:
http://www.totalwomanshow.ca/News/CanadaWorld/article/542585


Karla Homolka, left, and Paul Bernardo. (Canadian Press) In Depth
Crime
Timeline: The Bernardo/Homolka case
Last Updated June 25, 2008
CBC News

They were an attractive, seemingly normal couple, full of smiles in photos taken at their 1991 wedding in the Ontario town of Niagara-on-the-Lake. That happy façade made it all the harder for Canadians to accept the brutal crimes committed by Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.

Bernardo was convicted in 1995 of the kidnapping, raping and murdering of southern Ontario teenagers Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy. Homolka portrayed herself as the innocent victim of a murderous monster. She struck a deal with prosecutors (later dubbed the "deal with the devil") and pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the deaths in exchange for a 12-year prison sentence.

But videotapes of the crimes, found after the plea bargain, showed her to be a more active participant.

Public outrage about Homolka's sentence had barely cooled by the time of her extremely high-profile release from prison in 2005.

Throughout the years, Canadians have been riveted by the case. Books, TV specials, a controversial feature film movie and countless newspaper front pages have covered the crimes from every possible angle.

Yet despite all this coverage and the passing of years, many questions linger. Was Bernardo involved with other crimes? And what would have happened if the infamous videotapes had been in police custody earlier?

More:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bernardo/

From the media reports we can say that they have found:
1 partially burned surgical glove
1 empty 90lb bag of concrete mix
1 Busch beer can
clothes she was wearing thrown in with her.

Other than the clothes the rest can truly all be garbage that had been in the area that are not related.  Either this person is a genius for having unrelated evidence around the area to throw off LE, or a complete moron as it is all connected and would have prints and DNA all over it.

Thank-you Janet for posting that article. Hope all is well with you and your family  ::MonkeyAngel:: So it is true that the site of the cement place's fence was cut  ::MonkeyEek:: And they have 90lb bags of cement.

That empty bag of concrete mix, would you not think to get rid of that? And if that fire is connected to this case, why wouldn't you have thrown the empty bag in the fire?

Tori's case was awful, just awful how that poor mom was treated. Everyone critized everything she said and did, Such as her not crying.... a lot of lessons need to be learned just by that one case, in my opinion. I agree the media is not doing a good job of reporting this case and the rumor mill in Monroe is not helping matters.

I completely agree it is very disturbing how JB could bring Kennedy around her daughter and allow him to have a relationship with her. What an ingnorant and dangerous thing to do! Drugs have affected this person, to me that is obvious. If GK killed this child then the mom has some explaning to do, even if she wasn't involved. I think however you will find a SO which worked himself into her life to get to the child. manipulative *asterds! I don't think she should have been left to watch this child, not with the suspected drug abuse! But! just as many families in these threads have done, she left her child unattended, (I really wish people would stop doing that!) Think about it, most cases the child was alone or without adult supervision, walking alone, playing alone, playing with other children without an adult, even for a moment... Do we arrest every parent? Do we charge every parent? What is the cut off? Not trying to argue, just making my previous and continuous point of why this subject needs public awareness.

That empty bag of concrete mix, would you not think to get rid of that? And if that fire is connected to this case, why wouldn't you have thrown the empty bag in the fire?

If the partially burned latex glove is connected why would you not throw the bag into the same fire?  Was there any evidence on the shore that there was a fire to get rid of evidence?  Were they rushed because someone was coming?  Is the glove even related or has someone else thrown their garbage out and it washed ashore?  One of the videos last night stated that divers were searching down the river by a bridge looking for something.  A shovel, weapon or the rest of the 6-pack...could be anything.  I think this case is going to take a few more strange turns before it is done.  Whether the beer can belonged to the people who buried her, or whether they found it there and threw it into the grave, it shows that they had no respect for Nevaeh at all. 

If the partially burned latex glove is connected why would you not throw the bag into the same fire?  Was there any evidence on the shore that there was a fire to get rid of evidence?  Were they rushed because someone was coming?  Is the glove even related or has someone else thrown their garbage out and it washed ashore?  One of the videos last night stated that divers were searching down the river by a bridge looking for something.  A shovel, weapon or the rest of the 6-pack...could be anything.  I think this case is going to take a few more strange turns before it is done.  Whether the beer can belonged to the people who buried her, or whether they found it there and threw it into the grave, it shows that they had no respect for Nevaeh at all. 

several of you have posted you believe there were two or three people to dispose of the body, and I dont know how to say this, but wouldnt that be very strange for a SO to have a partner?  Or for any group of people to help dispose a childs body? 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: WHAT????????????????????? NOOOOOOOOOO WAYYYYY!!!!!!!! Something is rotten here....either that is misreporting or mommie dearest is involved in this up to her sunglasses.

Tori's case was awful, just awful how that poor mom was treated. Everyone critized everything she said and did, Such as her not crying.... a lot of lessons need to be learned just by that one case, in my opinion. I agree the media is not doing a good job of reporting this case and the rumor mill in Monroe is not helping matters.

I completely agree it is very disturbing how JB could bring Kennedy around her daughter and allow him to have a relationship with her. What an ingnorant and dangerous thing to do! Drugs have affected this person, to me that is obvious. If GK killed this child then the mom has some explaning to do, even if she wasn't involved. I think however you will find a SO which worked himself into her life to get to the child. manipulative *asterds! I don't think she should have been left to watch this child, not with the suspected drug abuse! But! just as many families in these threads have done, she left her child unattended, (I really wish people would stop doing that!) Think about it, most cases the child was alone or without adult supervision, walking alone, playing alone, playing with other children without an adult, even for a moment... Do we arrest every parent? Do we charge every parent? What is the cut off? Not trying to argue, just making my previous and continuous point of why this subject needs public awareness.

Ok I listened to the link. They are not saying LE couldn't get prints from the house, just that Neveah had never had a fingerprint card made.

Ok I listened to the link. They are not saying LE couldn't get prints from the house, just that Neveah had never had a fingerprint card made.

Police Believe Child's Body Encased in Cement Is Nevaeh
Police Have Named Sex Offenders Persons of Interest in 5-Year-Old's Disappearance

By SARAH NETTER
June 5, 2009

Kennedy, who is jailed on probation violations for simply being associated with a child, works with cement  in the area where the body was found, according to the family's statements to WXYZ.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7764316&page=2

Police Believe Child's Body Encased in Cement Is Nevaeh
Police Have Named Sex Offenders Persons of Interest in 5-Year-Old's Disappearance

By SARAH NETTER
June 5, 2009

Kennedy, who is jailed on probation violations for simply being associated with a child, works with cement  in the area where the body was found, according to the family's statements to WXYZ.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7764316&page=2

if he works with cement  he could make a better job doing that, Or al least somebody knows george and plant evidence to seem that georde did it

In case the above yellow highlight cannot be read.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

++++

Evidence Collected At River May Lead To Killer
UPDATED: 8:20 pm EDT June 5, 2009

A key piece of evidence collected at the site is a 90-pound bag of cement.

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement.

Also, it appears that the fence outside the cement company was recently cut.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html

I've been wondering about that also.

It is very strange that the person that buried the little girld burned gloves and left behind obvious evidence like the bag and beer cans, must be somebody hung out with him.

Good morning monkeys!

Well said, Capp, re: your post #85 above regarding JB's gross negligence. You worded that beautifully - and it reflects the thoughts I think so many of us have here.

Rosie - you make an extremely interesting point re: Easter's affinity for fires/burning evidence & the burnt glove  . . . certainly made me stop & say "hmmmmmmmm..............."!

Also: regarding the timeline (such as it vaguely is!) - as I recall, it has been reported that JB realized Nevaeh was MISSING at 6-6:30  -  but did not call LE until 8:30 (one report even said the 911 call was at 9:20) . . . Ergo, if what the little neighbor boy's mom said is true, that Nevaeh left their apartment @ 3:30-3:45 - and NONE OF US BELIEVE ANY OF JB'S STORIES/TIMELINES, then this little sweetie could have been unaccounted for for 5 HOURS?!? If I am putting this together correctly, that leaves a HUGE timeline for 'disposing of a body'. (I hate even typing that - makes me sick.)

Any other monkey friends wondering about this . . . ?

The scene as it is to me looks as if they were in a hurry. The cement bag left there, the beer can, the latex glove. It is possible that it was done just before 911 was called.
Whatever happened here, Jennifer is at fault for something, like not protecting her girl. None of us here posting would ever behave like this and we don't understand persons who do behave this way. This entire situation is reminding me of the Haleigh Family where everyone the kiddo came into contact with was off the charts in the careless disregard for the safety of their kiddos category.

Good morning monkeys!

Well said, Capp, re: your post #85 above regarding JB's gross negligence. You worded that beautifully - and it reflects the thoughts I think so many of us have here.

Rosie - you make an extremely interesting point re: Easter's affinity for fires/burning evidence & the burnt glove  . . . certainly made me stop & say "hmmmmmmmm..............."!

Also: regarding the timeline (such as it vaguely is!) - as I recall, it has been reported that JB realized Nevaeh was MISSING at 6-6:30  -  but did not call LE until 8:30 (one report even said the 911 call was at 9:20) . . . Ergo, if what the little neighbor boy's mom said is true, that Nevaeh left their apartment @ 3:30-3:45 - and NONE OF US BELIEVE ANY OF JB'S STORIES/TIMELINES, then this little sweetie could have been unaccounted for for 5 HOURS?!? If I am putting this together correctly, that leaves a HUGE timeline for 'disposing of a body'. (I hate even typing that - makes me sick.)

Any other monkey friends wondering about this . . . ?

From what is reported. Neveah's friend's mom said that JB picked up Neveah approx 3:30PM in the afternoon, JB found Neveah to be missing approx 6:30, asked George to help her locate her (JB's words), IIRC GK said for about 1/2 hour and yes I saw reports that 911 was not called until 8:30 - it leaves 3-5 hours that are unaccounted for by JB, GK, RW & yea we'll throw in JE too.

In this case it is very clear that JB did not have custody of her own child so she had NO business taking care of Neveah unsupervised.  The fact that this girl had no problems exposing Neveah to KNOWN SO's is negligence & endangering the welfare of a minor.  By her own admittance JB stated that she didn't seem to have a problem with having Neveah around SO's & even called one a "father figure" this level of ignorance is unacceptable & it did break the law regarding his parole conditions - he is at fault for breaking it, she is at fault for allowing it repetitively.   What is even more hideous is she reported that she asked for the aid of a SO to help her find her "alleged" missing child, ridiculous!   What does she do while the whereabouts of Neveah are unknown, she admits failing a polygraph with lame excuses & then goes on a campaign to stand up for a SO, what is wrong with that picture!   Where was JB all day since she reported that Neveah was playing outside or at a friend's house ALL DAY?  You'd think someone that lost custody would be making an effort to appreciate & treasure any time she had instead of letting a 5 year old roam around unsupervised.   What was she doing instead of spending quality time with Neveah, drugging up?   Did JB work & appear to be trying to get her life together so she could participate in raising Neveah properly, NO.  Her reported drug abuse is another thing, no excuses parents should not be getting in a condition that alters their minds and/or can cause harm to minors, period.  Enough already with the excuses and empathy for addicts, they CHOSE to fudge up their lives, if they cannot be responsible for their actions, society needs to make sure they don't harm others in the process, especially children.    Where does the line cross, it crosses at this obvious level of gross negligence & wanton disregard for the safety & well-being of others.   We don't know if JB is responsible for Neveah's murder or cover up yet but child neglect & endangerment are established & it is outrageous.  Yes, she should be charged with at least that.

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest.....IIRC George said he and his gf were fishing and Jennifer called him on his cell phone to tell him she was missing. I have tried to read every post and may have missed it....but has anyone thought of them using a boat? It would be much easier to take her in a boat along with the bag of cement than try to carry it all down the steep embankment.

can someone remember the audio that Michael Buchanan was talking on where he said that he and his mother, Nevaeh's grandmother had words over the fact that Kim was allowing the child to be around Kennedy, a RSO? It showed that the grand mother knew about Kennedy as well that he was a RSO...
thanks..

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19571852/index.html

In this case it is very clear that JB did not have custody of her own child so she had NO business taking care of Neveah unsupervised.  The fact that this girl had no problems exposing Neveah to KNOWN SO's is negligence & endangering the welfare of a minor.  By her own admittance JB stated that she didn't seem to have a problem with having Neveah around SO's & even called one a "father figure" this level of ignorance is unacceptable & it did break the law regarding his parole conditions - he is at fault for breaking it, she is at fault for allowing it repetitively.   What is even more hideous is she reported that she asked for the aid of a SO to help her find her "alleged" missing child, ridiculous!   What does she do while the whereabouts of Neveah are unknown, she admits failing a polygraph with lame excuses & then goes on a campaign to stand up for a SO, what is wrong with that picture!   Where was JB all day since she reported that Neveah was playing outside or at a friend's house ALL DAY?  You'd think someone that lost custody would be making an effort to appreciate & treasure any time she had instead of letting a 5 year old roam around unsupervised.   What was she doing instead of spending quality time with Neveah, drugging up?   Did JB work & appear to be trying to get her life together so she could participate in raising Neveah properly, NO.  Her reported drug abuse is another thing, no excuses parents should not be getting in a condition that alters their minds and/or can cause harm to minors, period.  Enough already with the excuses and empathy for addicts, they CHOSE to fudge up their lives, if they cannot be responsible for their actions, society needs to make sure they don't harm others in the process, especially children.    Where does the line cross, it crosses at this obvious level of gross negligence & wanton disregard for the safety & well-being of others.   We don't know if JB is responsible for Neveah's murder or cover up yet but child neglect & endangerment are established & it is outrageous.  Yes, she should be charged with at least that.

Very good post Capp, you have said what I have been thinking this entire time while trying to catch up with my reading.

O/T NoRose...Musings.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I guess to sum up what I am trying to say....its this:

Someone went through a lot of trouble to make it look like Kennedy is the one responsible for this.

IF I am wrong, and Kennedy did in fact commit this crime, then he is the worlds dumbest SOB.


My take on it, Kennedy was getting cozy with another lady and had gone off fishing with her now.  Boy that sure burned someone else up inside, that was to be "her man" and "her daughters new father figure".....she had given him everything, and this is how he repays her......
Now, after all of this, we have JB campaigning for her Kennedy and saying in the media how she hopes that he can forgive her "after telling LE all about him".....sorry don't buy that - sounds more like a guilty conscience trying to cleanse itself.

ALL MOO.

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest.....IIRC George said he and his gf were fishing and Jennifer called him on his cell phone to tell him she was missing. I have tried to read every post and may have missed it....but has anyone thought of them using a boat? It would be much easier to take her in a boat along with the bag of cement than try to carry it all down the steep embankment.

Dolce I agree with you there. Something is just not adding up. Seems to me if someone went to all the trouble to take the baby without being seen, I think they would have done a better job of hiding the body. If this is a popular fishing spot why put it right there unless you want it found.

I guess to sum up what I am trying to say....its this:

Someone went through a lot of trouble to make it look like Kennedy is the one responsible for this.

IF I am wrong, and Kennedy did in fact commit this crime, then he is the worlds dumbest SOB.


My take on it, Kennedy was getting cozy with another lady and had gone off fishing with her now.  Boy that sure burned someone else up inside, that was to be "her man" and "her daughters new father figure".....she had given him everything, and this is how he repays her......
Now, after all of this, we have JB campaigning for her Kennedy and saying in the media how she hopes that he can forgive her "after telling LE all about him".....sorry don't buy that - sounds more like a guilty conscience trying to cleanse itself.

ALL MOO.

Right now with no known facts anything is possible.

I guess to sum up what I am trying to say....its this:

Someone went through a lot of trouble to make it look like Kennedy is the one responsible for this.

IF I am wrong, and Kennedy did in fact commit this crime, then he is the worlds dumbest SOB.


My take on it, Kennedy was getting cozy with another lady and had gone off fishing with her now.  Boy that sure burned someone else up inside, that was to be "her man" and "her daughters new father figure".....she had given him everything, and this is how he repays her......
Now, after all of this, we have JB campaigning for her Kennedy and saying in the media how she hopes that he can forgive her "after telling LE all about him".....sorry don't buy that - sounds more like a guilty conscience trying to cleanse itself.

ALL MOO.

Well I am sure that carrying 90lbs worth of dust can be no picnic or walk in the park.  I certainly hope they have recovered DNA from sweat with all of this, not to mention epiphelials (sp?) from the beer can...sure you don't have to put your mouth on it, but even drinking like that your nose would still touch varios parts of the top of the can.
Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that who ever did this crime went through a lot of trouble to make it look like another person did it and really hase over done it with the disposal making it seem as if she was disgarded as trash....something is not clicking right for me here.

If the SO is so carefull in not being seen when he/she took Nevaeh then why the rest of the pieces left here? 

Let me explain what I mean here. 

We have a child taken, at what time its not very evident given that there are conflicting stories in regard to that, we just know when LE was called in.
We have a mother who lied to LE while her child is missing, sorry I would be singing like a canary and telling all regardless of what the hell question was asked.  NO REASON TO LIE.
We have 2 SO's taken into custody, one of which had a SOLID relationship with the child and the mother.
We know that Kennedy was an SO, the mother was aware of this as well.
We know that Kennedy worked with concrete 90lb bags, the mother was aware of this as well.
We know that Kennedy drinks beer and fishes, the mother was aware of this as well.

Why go through the trouble to use latex gloves, but then leave a beer can?  Why go through the trouble of disposing the body hoping to conceal it, but then leave the bag and a beer can? 

I am sorry I smell staging and set up..........

You're right about a lack of facts thus far. Here is a new news video and things might start coming out very soon. Time of death seems to play a big part in sorting out all the lies and inconsistencies.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19673182/index.html

Thank you N2..Interesting that they talked to Momagain today.  And they are trying to establish time of death.  I am impressed that after this much time they will be able to do that..but maybe the cerment helped to preserve and delay decomp somewhat.

I agree that it is just too perfect.  IIRC, the very first thing I heard out of JB's mouth is she would not put it past GK to have done something to Nevaeh.

I also agree that there is a chance he could be the world's dumbest SOB.  The beer can may have been something he thought would never be found if he put it in with the baby.

SOB in this case that is proven is JB.  Why?  She chose a RSO as a father figure for her child. 

If I knew someone was a RSO, I would not let them within shouting distance of my child.  I also would never leave my child unsupervised anywhere in his neighborhood.  I would never leave a 5 year old unsupervised in an open parking lot ever.  If that makes me paranoid or over protective, I don't care.

It is my feeling that a RSO is always craving their next victim.  They have an unhealthy need for this and it takes more strength than most of them have to ignore those feelings.  Any woman that would put her child in the care of a RSO is asking for trouble.  I am all for giving people a chance to prove themselves, I am not, however, in favor of letting the mouse watch the cheese, even for a quick second.  Unless, of course, I am looking for a way to get rid of the cheese.

I am not sure if this has been posted.
Last night Wendy Murphy was enraged on 'Issues' w/ JVM. I wish you all could have heard her rant. It was fantastic! Here is what she had to say>>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A family left to pick up the pieces after their worst nightmare comes true. Police race against the clock to find the little child`s killer and bring that individual to justice, let`s pray.

Straight to my panel: Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, professor at New England School of Law and author of "And Justice for Some"; Bill Manion, forensic pathologist and assistant medical examiner for Burlington County, New Jersey; Jeff Brown, criminal defense attorney; Steve Kardian, former criminal investigator and director of Defend University; Dr. Dale Archer, clinical psychiatrist; and Dave Murray, special assignment editor at the "Toledo Blade," who joins us by phone.

But I want to start with you, Wendy. The discovery of a precious child`s body encased in concrete is enough to turn anybody`s stomach. You have prosecuted so many vicious cases. What does it say about this killer that he or she, or them, would leave the victim ultimately trapped in cement?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know, Jane, inhumane is too good of a word for this monster. As if it isn`t bad enough that you take a child, you hurt a child, you kill a child, you stuff their body in cement? I mean, I thought I`d heard it all when we heard about a suitcase with little Sandra Cantu being dumped like trash in a pond. This child dumped in a river.

What I want to know is, how many more little girls have to die before somebody does something meaningful to protect these defenseless kids? I am sick of it. In every case it`s a sex offender, some pervert. When are we going to do something? These kids can`t stand up for themselves. They are totally defenseless.

Every week we`re on this show talking about something gruesome like this happening. Where`s the president? Where`s Obama? You know, if these girls died from swine flu, he`d be on the news tonight. Or if they were Muslim little girls, he`d be on the news tonight, talking about it. Why isn`t he saying anything? That`s what I want to know.
You can read all of the transcript here>>>>>> I wish we had a you tube of it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/05/ijvm.01.html

Old video of interview with Roy's mom.  Can anyone pause it to see the vehicles in the driveway?  I have tried and see two one looks white but can not tell if it is a pick up truck.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Two-Persons-of-Interest-Have-Alibis/IqNogN2dEEWJwzaoKjIGOw.cspx

Nut I am watching this very show right now on HLN! it is a rerun but I had not seen it before tonight! 

I loved what Wendy had to say!!!! she rocks and she is so right...when is Obama and others going to take notice?

Nut I am watching this very show right now on HLN! it is a rerun but I had not seen it before tonight! 

I loved what Wendy had to say!!!! she rocks and she is so right...when is Obama and others going to take notice?

I am not sure what empathy you are referring to I am showing for a drug addict. I have said she should be held accountable for allowing her daughter to be around a RSO.
I don't agree with basing arguments off of rumor, assumption and theories. When the facts come out and she if is found to have done this, or GK is found to have done this, I will be right there with you. Assumptions, rumors, theories in my opinion are not enough. I guess facts are important in my determining someone's, involvement, guilt or innocense.

WHOA...nowhere did I say that YOU were having empathy for anything, in fact the word "YOU" was nowhere in my post.  You asked some specific questions regarding when it is appropriate to charge a parent with child neglect and/or endangering the welfare of a minor, I generally responded...read thoroughly before you jump on someone please, an apology will be accepted.

Bearly - I absolutely LOVED the way you worded that (bolded & in red)! Covers a lot of possibilities that we all seem to have in the backs of our minds, no? Well said . . .

Removed one of my woulds.

Every week we`re on this show talking about something gruesome like this happening. Where`s the president? Where`s Obama? You know, if these girls died from swine flu, he`d be on the news tonight. Or if they were Muslim little girls, he`d be on the news tonight, talking about it. Why isn`t he saying anything? That`s what I want to know. [/b]
You can read all of the transcript here>>>>>> I wish we had a you tube of it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/05/ijvm.01.html

(snip)
I gave him a second chance. I was just befriending him. I confronted him about it. To my knowledge, he was honest to me about it," she said.


"As for Roy, I only knew him for a couple of months. Because he knew George and they had some kind of classes together, I figured Roy had the same offense against him."


She had known Kennedy a couple of years. "If George wanted to do that, he would have done it a little sooner," she said. "That's the way I feel. But I could be wrong."   WTH  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090607/NEWS05/906070501&s=d&page=1

Great post Deenie  ::MonkeyAngel::  Shelle, She had known Kennedy a couple of years. "If George wanted to do that, he would have done it a little sooner," she said. "That's the way I feel. But I could be wrong."    Who in the he!! says something like that?

What devasting news to come home too   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

We had to drive past Monroe on our way home from the airport yesterday....it was eerie knowing that there is possibly a very sick individual on the loose. 

I did catch the local news last night and they said Kennedy has been transferred to a facility in Jackson, MI and could be held there for up to 45 days.

I'm still trying to catch up so you all may know that already.  I have a my best friends baby shower this afternoon so I will try to get caught up tonight.

Good morning Leroy. I am glad to see you back. I was asking about you a couple of nights ago. I hope you did have a good time. Yes, the news is desvastating, and I knew you would be effected.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Morning Monkeys and Guests ::MonkeyAngel::

How is she so sure that Nevaeh had not been being abused by George before? I am remembering about the statement from the child about "Uncle" George stabbing Nevaeh in the stomach with a knife. Could have been child speak.

Jennifer deludes herself if she says she is completely innocent. She exposed her child to sex offender(s) at the very least.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Re: Post # 157 from Bearlyhere -

Thank you for the kind welcome, Bearly - and, no, don't believe we have 'met' yet. I just joined when Sandra Cantu was missing, as I live near Tracy CA - and have enjoyed this cage full of lovely monkeys ever since! Thank you for having me - a wonderful group, indeed. (My avatar has changed a couple of times, so might be difficult for others to 'recognize' me - LOL. Think I'll stick with this one - a cartoon I did of myself feeling overwhelmed a while back . . .)

Tori's case was awful, just awful how that poor mom was treated. Everyone critized everything she said and did, Such as her not crying.... a lot of lessons need to be learned just by that one case, in my opinion. I agree the media is not doing a good job of reporting this case and the rumor mill in Monroe is not helping matters.

I completely agree it is very disturbing how JB could bring Kennedy around her daughter and allow him to have a relationship with her. What an ingnorant and dangerous thing to do! Drugs have affected this person, to me that is obvious. If GK killed this child then the mom has some explaning to do, even if she wasn't involved. I think however you will find a SO which worked himself into her life to get to the child. manipulative *asterds! I don't think she should have been left to watch this child, not with the suspected drug abuse! But! just as many families in these threads have done, she left her child unattended, (I really wish people would stop doing that!) Think about it, most cases the child was alone or without adult supervision, walking alone, playing alone, playing with other children without an adult, even for a moment... Do we arrest every parent? Do we charge every parent? What is the cut off? Not trying to argue, just making my previous and continuous point of why this subject needs public awareness.

From an article that Shelle posted got me thinking.               ( She was wearing knee-length jeans and a baby blue, red-and-white striped shirt with a V-neck white collar. Potty trained, but with a habit of waiting until the last second to use the bathroom, Buchanan said, Nevaeh had just had an accident and changed her clothes.


Buchanan didn't get up from the couch to make sure her daughter made it safely up the stairs. She sat there, she said, watching "Jon & Kate Plus 8." )             Okay, what if mother got mad that Nevaeh had an accident? You know how dare she, she was in the middle of watching Jon and Kate Plus 8. Lost her temper, Nevaeh died. Mother panicked and called her boyfriend George, and then George is the one who disposed of Nevaeh?  Would not be the first time, that a parent went off on a child who had an accident.

Reading this made be blink a bit, may I first say I am new to the thread and have been trying to catch up but this post... I just needed to respond to in some way.

At the very best...the absolute best, this woman was irresponsible, neglectful and in every way lacking the judgment required to be even a mediocre parent. To this one adds, CHILD ENDANGERMENT, by having not one but two sex offenders in the vicinity of her little girl, she let her baby girl play outside, unsupervised, regularly and even now doesn't seem to grasp that her own actions are 100% responsible for the very tragic turn of events.

She may or may not be feeling untold horror and remorse....I don't care to be honest. If she is complicit in this by any action on her part her feelings will be all for herself about getting caught. If her feelings are for the loss of her precious baby girl through her own failure to protect, she could not have made her more "available" for abduction if she had hung a sign around her neck saying "Please Take Me", added to this is by her own admission, is her continued faulty reasoning and excuses for her own egregious behavior.

I think she deserves what she gets, including speculating on her involvement. After all we can never bring Nevaeh back, no matter what and she alone is the reason for that.

From an article that Shelle posted got me thinking.               ( She was wearing knee-length jeans and a baby blue, red-and-white striped shirt with a V-neck white collar. Potty trained, but with a habit of waiting until the last second to use the bathroom, Buchanan said, Nevaeh had just had an accident and changed her clothes.


Buchanan didn't get up from the couch to make sure her daughter made it safely up the stairs. She sat there, she said, watching "Jon & Kate Plus 8." )             Okay, what if mother got mad that Nevaeh had an accident? You know how dare she, she was in the middle of watching Jon and Kate Plus 8. Lost her temper, Nevaeh died. Mother panicked and called her boyfriend George, and then George is the one who disposed of Nevaeh?  Would not be the first time, that a parent went off on a child who had an accident.

The fact that she was five and wet herself has my red flag up a little. I know that kids have accidents all the time. But I also remember that "bedwetting" is sometime indicative of sexual abuse. I wonder if this also goes as far as accidents? I am wondering about her having an accident because she was already in preschool getting ready for kindergarten, and getting to the bathroom on time is really part of the growing up and school process. Maybe I am just reading more into this than I should. I am just wondering if she had been damaged already in some way that made it hard for her to control her bladder. I hate to even write those words.   ::MonkeyWaa::

That could be, but I don't know. With my youngest, she would have accidents because she didn't want to come in and waste time going to the bathroom, running around and playing were more important  ::MonkeyRoll:: But when I read that, and the mother couldn't get off the couch to help, because she was watching tv, I wondered if she got mad, because her tv got interrupted, and lost control? Just something I've been thinking.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525333,00.html

The fact that she was five and wet herself has my red flag up a little. I know that kids have accidents all the time. But I also remember that "bedwetting" is sometime indicative of sexual abuse. I wonder if this also goes as far as accidents? I am wondering about her having an accident because she was already in preschool getting ready for kindergarten, and getting to the bathroom on time is really part of the growing up and school process. Maybe I am just reading more into this than I should. I am just wondering if she had been damaged already in some way that made it hard for her to control her bladder. I hate to even write those words.   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://toledoblade.com/assets/swf/TO6692867.SWF

Northern Rose, that link won't open, could you please tell us what it is  ::MonkeyAngel::

It should open if you have Flash installed.  It is a really nice compilation of coverage including articles, images and video encompassing the entire case by the Toledo Blade.

This woman is going to trip herself up sooner or later.  In one sentence she says -

"She looked right at me and says, 'Nevaeh is on her scooter in the road,' " Buchanan said. "She said the road, but I knew she meant the parking lot."

Buchanan was angry at her daughter and said she looked for her flip-flops so she could go out to find her. A moment later, another girl knocked.

Then she says -

Buchanan said she poked her head out the building's back door and glanced at the parking lot where Nevaeh used to ride the scooter. So if she knew that Nevaeh used to ride the scooter in the parking lot, why was she angry this time?

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Nevaeh's beauty made strangers stop and stare. "Random people would come up to me and compliment me on how beautiful she is," Buchanan said.


She said she has wondered "numerous times" whether her daughter was abducted for her beauty.


http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/Jennifer+Buchanan+denies+killing+daughter+Nevaeh

This statement just absolutely jumped out at me!!!  OMG!!!!
I guess this is a Jenniferism, but it is almost like she is justifying why her daughter was taken.....How many times has "someone" told her how beautiful Nevaeh was? Who was minipulating her??   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Snipped>

Nevaeh's beauty made strangers stop and stare. "Random people would come up to me and compliment me on how beautiful she is," Buchanan said.


She said she has wondered "numerous times" whether her daughter was abducted for her beauty.


http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/Jennifer+Buchanan+denies+killing+daughter+Nevaeh

This statement just absolutely jumped out at me!!!  OMG!!!!
I guess this is a Jenniferism, but it is almost like she is justifying why her daughter was taken.....How many times has "someone" told her how beautiful Nevaeh was? Who was minipulating her??   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Snipped>

Nevaeh's beauty made strangers stop and stare. "Random people would come up to me and compliment me on how beautiful she is," Buchanan said.


She said she has wondered "numerous times" whether her daughter was abducted for her beauty.


http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/Jennifer+Buchanan+denies+killing+daughter+Nevaeh

This statement just absolutely jumped out at me!!!  OMG!!!!
I guess this is a Jenniferism, but it is almost like she is justifying why her daughter was taken.....How many times has "someone" told her how beautiful Nevaeh was? Who was minipulating her??   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Re: Post # 157 from Bearlyhere -

Thank you for the kind welcome, Bearly - and, no, don't believe we have 'met' yet. I just joined when Sandra Cantu was missing, as I live near Tracy CA - and have enjoyed this cage full of lovely monkeys ever since! Thank you for having me - a wonderful group, indeed. (My avatar has changed a couple of times, so might be difficult for others to 'recognize' me - LOL. Think I'll stick with this one - a cartoon I did of myself feeling overwhelmed a while back . . .)

This article regarding the location where Neveah was found is just eerie......

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For me, the location is ironic.  I had just completed a story about this very area for the latest edition of Monroe Magazine.  My focus was on good biking routes in Monroe County and I traced a route from the Village of Dundee, along Plank Road, across the Ida-Maybee Road bridge, west along Dixon and then back to Dundee.

That, of course, is the area in which the body of Nevaeh Buchanan was found.  While researching my story, I even stopped at the fishing spot in question and snapped some photos of the nearby railroad bridge.  It chills me to think that just a few weeks after the photos were taken that someone visited the same location with sinister motivations.

http://www.blogsmonroe.com/expatriate/2009/06/nevaeh-case-and-the-river-raisin

This is so disturbing, and the little one didn't even have shoes on. And was it necessary for the mother to describe how awful the carpeting was  ::MonkeyEek:: She also made some comment about even though she was five she was like a ten year old. I don't know about anyone else's children, but when my daughters were five, they sure didn't have any thinking like a ten year old. And when my kids were playing, I wasn't plopped in front of a tv not watching what was going on.

I think the carpet condition might have been the reporter's observation. My thought on it though was Jennifer could have gotten off the couch, rented a carpet cleaner, and cleaned the carpet while her Mom was working. But then, there was a Jon & Kate rerun to watch.
To me that shows where her priorities were. No time for cleaning up your child after an accident, making sure Nevaeh had on shoes, or going outside so she could watch her properly riding her scooter. There was a Jon & Kate rerun to watch........Ugh!

The carpet really bothers me.  Why bother pointing it out and going into detail about it unless there is more to the stains she is nervous about?  Is she pointing it out to cut them off at the pass to hide something? 

This is so disturbing, and the little one didn't even have shoes on. And was it necessary for the mother to describe how awful the carpeting was  ::MonkeyEek:: She also made some comment about even though she was five she was like a ten year old. I don't know about anyone else's children, but when my daughters were five, they sure didn't have any thinking like a ten year old. And when my kids were playing, I wasn't plopped in front of a tv not watching what was going on.

I'm sorry I have to  ::MonkeyLaugh:: at your comment.... when I was five I started sneaking cigarettes and playing spin the bottle! Our neighborhood was jam packed with kids in N Hollywood CA.... and we didn't come in til supper and then back out til dark. Was my mom lazy ( not that I am defending JB here), no she wasn't. That is how it is in some neighborhoods I think...or how it used to be anyway in the early 80's. What if the whole "community" allows their kids to run about or play in the courtyard? Than does that make JB worse than any other mother there? Just food for thought. I really don't like the way she's changed her stories nor hung out with SO's ( something my mom never did anyway... like they even had a name back then, but no I was never preyed upon). I'm not directing these questions at you NRCG... I just had to laugh at what I had bolded based upon my own life history.

I am also concerned that the profiler in the article points out that a burial is generally done by  an organized person and perhaps someone who has done this before.

Fanny I think that the autopsy results will be what really moves this case along.  I am praying that she was not molested either recently or signs from previously.  I think the Sherriff said results would be early in the week but I am sure if they find any DNA that matches what they had collected from suspects that they will delay the release until they can circle their wagons so to speak.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/Jennifer+Buchanan+denies+killing+daughter+Nevaeh

June 7, 2009


Amid suspicion and public scorn, Jennifer Buchanan denies killing daughter Nevaeh

BY JEFF SEIDEL
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

In a cramped apartment, a portrait of a little girl is propped up on an old TV set, framed by candles.

It is a darling picture, taken at preschool.

Jennifer Buchanan faces the makeshift memorial, saying she can't imagine why anyone would have taken Nevaeh Buchanan, her 5-year-old daughter.

She begins to tell the story of the final moments when, she says, she thought Nevaeh went off to play with a friend.

And then was gone.

It's a story Buchanan has not told in so much detail before. And it's a story investigators are still scrutinizing.

Nevaeh's disappearance, for now, remains a mystery -- two weeks after she was last seen outside her Monroe apartment, just three days after a body, whose identity still is unconfirmed, was found encased in a concrete grave along a riverbank.

The search continues for the person who could have done this to a pretty girl who loved trucks and motorcycles, crayons and macaroni and cheese.

A girl whose life may have ended three days after she raced across a stage and -- all smiles -- grabbed her preschool certificate.

As suspicion swirls, mother tells her story


Down a flight of stairs, inside a dingy two-bedroom apartment, Jennifer Buchanan gave an account of her final moments with her daughter. She spent those precious minutes on a brown couch, watching reruns of "Jon & Kate Plus 8."


In the story Buchanan tells, 5-year-old Nevaeh walked barefoot across the old brown carpet, worn and stained, and headed for the front door.


"Mom, I'm going upstairs to Austin's house to play a game," Buchanan remembers her daughter saying.


It was about 6:30 p.m. on May 24, the day before Memorial Day. Nevaeh walked out, the door shut and that was the last time Buchanan says she saw her daughter.


"I trusted her enough for her to actually go," Buchanan told the Free Press last week in a 2 1/2 -hour interview, discussing everything from her relationship with two sex offenders to how it feels to be suspected in her child's disappearance.


Austin Kuhn, 8, and Nevaeh lived in the same building in the Charlotte Arms apartments and played together nearly every day. A child could probably run from Nevaeh's apartment to Austin's door on the second floor in less than 10 seconds.


She was wearing knee-length jeans and a baby blue, red-and-white striped shirt with a V-neck white collar. Potty trained, but with a habit of waiting until the last second to use the bathroom, Buchanan said, Nevaeh had just had an accident and changed her clothes.


Buchanan didn't get up from the couch to make sure her daughter made it safely up the stairs. She sat there, she said, watching "Jon & Kate Plus 8."


About 20 minutes later, a girl Buchanan described as a tattletale knocked on the door.


"She looked right at me and says, 'Nevaeh is on her scooter in the road,' " Buchanan said. "She said the road, but I knew she meant the parking lot."


Buchanan was angry at her daughter and said she looked for her flip-flops so she could go out to find her. A moment later, another girl knocked.


"Is Nevaeh home?" Buchanan remembers the girl asking. "And I said, 'She has to be upstairs at Austin's, but she is either out back, or out front, or upstairs at Austin's.' "


Buchanan said she poked her head out the building's back door and glanced at the parking lot where Nevaeh used to ride the scooter. She wasn't there. She looked at the sandbox where she often played. Not there. She glanced at the nearby school playground. Nothing.
So the timeline is between 6:30-6:50 according to JB..... but didn't Austin's mom say JB picked her up at 330 to go shopping? So if JB is to be believed Neveah either lied to go play on her scooter ( I don't buy that), or was approached by someone on her way ( or just outside her door) to Austin's. Have these two girls been talked to by the police? We have only heard about these girls by JB...surely the police know the answer to that question

"Nevaeh!" she said she screamed.


Buchanan planned to punish her daughter with a time-out. "I was going to yell at her and to tell her to stay out of the road," she said.


She doesn't believe in spanking. "I'm a time-out mom," Buchanan said.


She said she started knocking on doors. Nevaeh wasn't in Austin's apartment.


"I looked everywhere," she said. "I spent at least 45 minutes looking."


The panic started to grow.


She said she told the apartment manager her daughter was missing, circled the building and came around the other side, where she found the purple and green scooter Nevaeh often rode.


"My heart sank," she said, "and my stomach went into knots."


Somebody called the police, and an Amber Alert was issued.

'It's like a nightmare'


Investigators don't know what happened that day or how Nevaeh vanished. They've questioned Buchanan extensively, and the public has turned its attention to her, the choices she has made, the friends she chose.


Over the last two weeks, Buchanan says she has lived at the epicenter of a horror story.


"It's like a nightmare," she said Wednesday morning, starting to cry. "I can't wait to wake up."


She spent several days with friends searching all over Monroe County -- in the woods, by the quarries, in abandoned buildings -- sometimes returning to the same spot five or six times, whistling, stopping to cry, stopping to scream and wondering what was next.


She yelled her daughter's name until she was hoarse.


On Thursday afternoon, fishermen discovered a body covered in concrete about a foot from the River Raisin in Monroe County.


Though it hasn't been confirmed, the description of the child's body fits Nevaeh.

'She was always a good baby'


A tomboy who loved motorcycles and trucks, Nevaeh, whose name is heaven spelled backward, didn't like dresses and was content to watch "The Jungle Book" over and over.


"I'd get a headache from it," said Sherry Buchanan, Nevaeh's grandmother. "I'd say, 'OK, that's enough, Nevaeh.' And she'd say, 'Just one more time, Grandma.'


"I never had any trouble with that kid. She always called me grandma. Sometimes, she'd slip up and say, 'mommy.'


"I'd say, that's OK. Don't worry. She was always a good baby."


Sherry Buchanan was granted custody of Nevaeh after Jennifer Buchanan was convicted in 2006 on a first-degree home invasion charge. She had been breaking into homes to support a drug habit.


For the last 2 1/2 months, Sherry, Jennifer and Nevaeh Buchanan have lived together in the two-bedroom apartment.


Nevaeh named all of her stuffed animals. The black Lab is Tank. Her favorite, a beagle, is named Harley.


"Harley went to school with her," Sherry Buchanan said. "Harley went to bed with her."


Harley still smells like Nevaeh.


When she disappeared, her grandmother got comfort in sleeping with Tank. Jennifer Buchanan slept with Harley.


"I'd give anything in the world to have her come running through that door," Sherry Buchanan said.

'This is horrible'


In the eyes of some, Jennifer Buchanan quickly transformed from a sympathetic figure into a villain as word got out that she was friends with two convicted sex offenders.


The cable TV show "Nancy Grace" focused last week on 24-year-old Buchanan and her relationships with George Kennedy and Roy Smith, both of whom are from Monroe.


Court records show Smith, 48, was convicted of third-degree criminal sexual conduct after a woman said he raped her twice in his car in 1991. Kennedy, 39, was convicted in 2002 of raping a 15-year-old girl behind a gas station.


Grace interviewed Nevaeh's father, Shane Hinojosa, 22, of Toledo, who hasn't seen his daughter in three years.


"What can you tell me about your daughter being exposed by her mother to a registered sex offender?" Grace asked incredulously. "In fact, more than one."


"Oh, I'm furious," he replied.


On another show, Grace asked a psychologist about the case.


"This is horrible," the psychologist said. "The mother's judgment is atrocious. How could she be with a sex offender and have a little girl in the home? It's just horrible."


A short time later, another guest slammed Buchanan: "Mom is a title of honor. She doesn't deserve that honor. She was never a mother."


The voices and opinions screamed an unsubstantiated accusation: Jennifer Buchanan was to blame.

'They don't ... know me'


Back in Michigan, Buchanan said she was being attacked by people who had never met her.


"I feel like everyone has a lot of negativity about me," she said. "They don't personally know me. ... I feel like everyone is putting me in the category of ... parents who actually did harm their children. ... It's very frustrating."


Grace, she said, "is completely wrong. ... I didn't leave her playing outside. She was supposed to be playing upstairs on that day at that specific time."


Both Kennedy and Smith are now in jail on possible parole violations. Neither has been charged in connection with Nevaeh's suspected death, but Buchanan said she doesn't know what to think about them anymore.


"As for the guys, I don't know," she said. "I didn't think it was a crime to have my child around someone. Honestly, no matter who you come across, you don't know who and what they are. You don't know if they are labeled as a sex offender unless you look their name up."


Buchanan said she knew of Kennedy's criminal past.


"I gave him a second chance. I was just befriending him. I confronted him about it. To my knowledge, he was honest to me about it," she said.


"As for Roy, I only knew him for a couple of months. Because he knew George and they had some kind of classes together, I figured Roy had the same offense against him."


She had known Kennedy a couple of years. "If George wanted to do that, he would have done it a little sooner," she said. "That's the way I feel. But I could be wrong."

'I'm completely innocent'


Buchanan said she met with police and the FBI at least four times. One interview lasted about five hours.


"I feel like they are putting me under the spotlight," she said. "I feel like they are pointing fingers at me, like I did something intentionally."


She doesn't have a lawyer and says she doesn't need one.


"I'm completely innocent," she said. "I didn't have anything to do with my daughter's disappearance. I don't do drugs. I hardly ever drink. I don't owe anybody any money. I have hardly any enemies. I don't understand who would come up and take my child."


Last week, Buchanan gave police permission to search her home.


The detectives took part of her computer and, she said, they asked her what Web sites she has visited recently.


Buchanan also was interviewed by behavioral specialists from the FBI. "They were asking me about my background and what" Nevaeh "was like," she said. "They went all the way back to how I felt when I was pregnant."

'She meant the world to me'


Nevaeh didn't trust strangers. And Buchanan said she didn't think her daughter would have gone silently, without at fight.


Two weeks before her daughter's disappearance, they were at a Relay for Life event at Bedford High School in Temperance.


"We were walking, and people were passing out candy. She would take no candy from anybody," Buchanan said.


Nevaeh must have put up a fight or known the person who snatched her.


"I want to know what happened," Buchanan said. "I'm racking my brains on how this could happen."


Nevaeh's beauty made strangers stop and stare. "Random people would come up to me and compliment me on how beautiful she is," Buchanan said.


She said she has wondered "numerous times" whether her daughter was abducted for her beauty.


Nevaeh finished preschool three days before she disappeared.


"She was very excited to graduate," Buchanan said. "She ran, literally ran like a track runner, across that stage to get her certificate. I was so proud of her.


"She meant the world to me. I adored her. It's hard, just talking about her."


Neighbors described Nevaeh as shy. "She was adorable, a cute little girl with a ponytail," said Haley Jennings, 39, who lived on the second floor of Nevaeh's apartment complex. "Kind of timid. ... Her voice was real soft. She was real fragile, real precious.


"She kind of clutched close. She wasn't one to wander."


Everyone in the apartment complex has grown suspicious, Jennings said. She is upset thinking that the person who took Nevaeh is still out there. "It's petrifying."

Little voices


On Friday morning, the day after the body was found, TV crews gathered in the parking lot, waiting for Buchanan to come out of her apartment.

Neighbors talked about their grief, sharing their fears, showing their anger as police searched for a killer.

At a makeshift memorial in front of the apartment, a candle flickered in the breeze and a pinwheel spun round and round.

Screams could be heard in the distance. Children ran around a school playground, yelling and screaming and laughing and clapping, so full of life. So full of innocence.

Little voices in the wind.

Just like Nevaeh.

I grew up in the 60's, and we also were out running around, and only came home for meal time, and out again. I lived in a small town, and there also was a ton of kids, we were always at the park, beach and woods. I'm just saying that in this time period, who does that? Mother has so many changing stories, it's ridiculous. Sneaking cigarettes and spin the bottle  at five, not me, I was so naive, I didn't know a lot of things till I left home at 18, I kid you not  ::MonkeyEek::

I am also concerned that the profiler in the article points out that a burial is generally done by  an organized person and perhaps someone who has done this before.

I grew up in the 60's, and we also were out running around, and only came home for meal time, and out again. I lived in a small town, and there also was a ton of kids, we were always at the park, beach and woods. I'm just saying that in this time period, who does that? Mother has so many changing stories, it's ridiculous. Sneaking cigarettes and spin the bottle  at five, not me, I was so naive, I didn't know a lot of things till I left home at 18, I kid you not  ::MonkeyEek::

My kids grew up in the 60's and 70's too. At the time we lived in a small secluded subdivision, where there was only one way in and out. Most of our children were allowed to play freely, but at time it was mostly stay-at-home mothers that were on the lookout for not only their kids, but for the neighbor kids. If someone wasn't seen for a while, you can bet the phone lines were hot between homes, and most of the time we knew exactly where they were.

The rule in our neighborhood was that it was time to come home when the church bells rung at 6pm. During the summer, it was when the street light came on. I can guarantee you that my kids were barefooted in the summertime, but as cold as it was Memorial Weekend this year in Michigan, it was no time for bare feet.

Times are so different now. I can't imagine anywhere where it is safe to let you children, girls or boys, out of eyesight. If I had small children now, I would look at a shadow plastered behind them. And obviously, with so many sexual predators around Jennifer, it was no place for Nevaeh to be alone. I keep going back to the mother, but saying she is absolutely innocent in this is mind boggling. Most any mother would be consumed with guilt as to what she could have done to prevent this. All she seems to be concerned with is proclaiming her innocence and taking up for her predator friends. JMO

I'm thinking that maybe when the little boy said she was stabbed in the stomach with a knife it might have been a needle or possibly a gun put to her stomach. this might look like a stabbing to a little boy. i hate to even think this and hope this isnt what happened but this was my first thought when it was said, this may be why she didnt fight the person or scream... maybe??

LESLIE, I always looked younger than my age, and nobody took me seriously, although I tried to be serious and official in my jobs. Now that I am older and I am beginning to look my age, nobody takes me seriously either. What's that all about?????? ::MonkeyDevil::

Times have definitely changed though, and at least we are not wondering where Nevaeh is. That was a terrible time during the search for Caylee for me. There were nights that I could not sleep, thinking she was out in the elements. Even worse to find out that she had been all that time.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope they have properly talked to the little boy about what he said. I am hoping that it wasn't her being abused before and the pain of what happen felt like a knife to her stomach. I'm not sure that is what either of them were trying to relay. It may have been something she told him at another time and when she came up missing, he remembered it. So many unanswered questions.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope they have properly talked to the little boy about what he said. I am hoping that it wasn't her being abused before and the pain of what happen felt like a knife to her stomach. I'm not sure that is what either of them were trying to relay. It may have been something she told him at another time and when she came up missing, he remembered it. So many unanswered questions.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi Annette.... nice to meet you. I had posted my theory about that situation a cage back. I think previously Nevaeh may have told the boy about "Daddy George" doing things to her. She may have explained how it made her hurt like being stabbed in the stomach. Then when cops questioned him he related this story, out of context of course but not really concocted either.

3:30 Mom shows up at apt. upstairs and says she is taking Neveah to the store
6:30 "tattletale" comes and tells JB that Nevaeh is riding her bike on the road

When does JB and Nevaeh get back from the store?

When does JB feed Neveah dinner?

When does Neveah go back out?

Local news this morning said the autopsy results should be released today or tomorrow at the latest.

Good Morning Monkeys and Guests. ::MonkeyAngel::

I am troubled this morning about Jennifer referring to the child that came and told her that Nevaeh was riding her scooter in the street.
She refered to her as a "tattletale" as if it was a bother to her that some child was telling her that Nevaeh was doing something that  she shouldn't have been doing. I wonder how long Jennifer would have waited if she hadn't come to tell her?

I am not believing this story anyhow. I think the incident may have happened earlier in the day if at all. None of her stories are making any sense, nor is the babble coming from her mouth. She should do herself a favor and shut up to the media.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Monkeys and Guests. ::MonkeyAngel::

I am troubled this morning about Jennifer referring to the child that came and told her that Nevaeh was riding her scooter in the street.
She refered to her as a "tattletale" as if it was a bother to her that some child was telling her that Nevaeh was doing something that  she shouldn't have been doing. I wonder how long Jennifer would have waited if she hadn't come to tell her?

I am not believing this story anyhow. I think the incident may have happened earlier in the day if at all. None of her stories are making any sense, nor is the babble coming from her mouth. She should do herself a favor and shut up to the media.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

O/T BREAKING NEWS:    There is going to be a press conference about the murders of Taylor Placker & Skyla Whitaker - the two girls that were shot off a road in Oklahoma.   The press briefing will be held at the Okfuskee County Courthouse in Okemah, no time was announced on Foxnews but it will be this morning.   There is DNA that found but it is not expected that any information on that DNA will be discussed.   It is the one year anniversary of the girls murders.

ITA Fanny .... except I think she said Nevaeh reffered to this girl as "the tattletale".

I guess there is always one in the neighborhood!   ::MonkeyDevil::

But even if Nevaeh had told her that, if it was really true that she came and told Jennifer, I think that would have been the last thing I would have ever said about a child that came to alert me to my daughter and then I found her missing. Like I said, I don't think that is the way it happened, just another Jenniferism.   ::MonkeyRoll::

When your child is missing you should have one story. Granted different things might pop into your head, oh, I forgot, it wasn't a blue shirt, it was a blue shirt with some red in it, or whatever. Things that you are adding, that slipped your mind, that would actually help. All her talk is to help herself, and her so called friend. With her comment about Nevaeh's beauty, I feel she stopped short of blaming the child, because you were pretty that's why she was taken. Mother was jealous.

Nevaeh's mom says she has not given up hope

Posted: June 8, 2009 03:32 AM MDT

Updated: June 8, 2009 04:54 AM MDT

MONROE (WTOL) - 5 year-old Nevaeh Buchanan disappeared from the Charlotte Arms apartments in Monroe two weeks ago.

Investigators say they are almost certain the body recovered Thursday is Nevaeh. Family members expect to find out for sure Monday or Tuesday.

An autopsy was done Friday but the results have not been released.

Nevaeh's mother Jennifer Buchanan, who no longer wants her face shown on TV, told a Detroit TV station she is still hoping its not her daughter. "I still have hope. There is no indefinite, like, confirmation, as to if it is her or not. Some one could have took her. Somebody... I'm completely clueless, I don't know as to who, I don't want to point fingers at anyone."

Two men identified as persons of interest in the case are behind bars on unrelated charges. No arrests have been made and police have not identified any suspects.

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=10493350

To say that, she has her suspicions.  JMHO.

To say that, she has her suspicions.  JMHO.

Initially, authorities hoped to ID the girl based on dental records, but Nevaeh had never had dental X-rays, her family members said. The family has not been asked to visually identify the girl because of the condition of the body, authorities said.
Personally I would break down the door and plead to see the remains, I would have to regardless of the condition of the body. Can you, if you insist, or would this be something that LE or whoever could demand you not visually see the remains? I would die trying to, but that's me. I couldn't go on, without at least being sure that was my child.

Actually, I dont think so - not sure I would want that being my last visual memory, o God heaven forbid.   As  a very observant & responsible parent I'd know by clothes for tentative purposes & DNA thru other means will identify her (blood, bone marrow).   It is much different when its a loved one, even for seasoned individuals that deal with homicides & forensic evidence.

As far as JB goes, she knows its her - no doubt in my mind.

Can you post a link Cappy, please? TIA JSM

Just saw this on another forum   ( who ever is local... watch channel 2 news at noon. Someone on monroetalks is saying that there is to be some breaking news at noon.. (***rumor*** grandma is having some suspicions of JB**********)

heres a link to fox live news and listings of when news is live
http://www.fox2now.com/news/livestreaming/

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/index   Video of JB talking

This link will probably have the presser when it takes place

Thank you for this!

According to a poster at monroetalks.com, JB is not pregnant.

If that is true, she needs to get off the couch more.   ::MonkeyRoll::

If that is true, she needs to get off the couch more.   ::MonkeyRoll::

No kidding, and she needs to shut up.

Associated Press - June 8, 2009 12:54 PM ET
No autopsy results yet
MONROE, Mich. (AP) - Police say they don't yet have autopsy results from a body they believe to be that of Nevaeh (nuh-VAY'-uh) Buchanan, a 5-year-old Monroe girl who has been missing since May 24.

The autopsy is being conducted by the Wayne County medical examiner's office. The Monroe County sheriff also submitted evidence gathered from the gravesite to the Michigan State Police crime lab in Northville.

The sheriff's office said Monday no results had come back from either the medical examiner or the crime lab.
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=10495993&nav=menu25_2

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/                 Nevaeh's mother on NG tonight  ::MonkeyEek::

Hey guys - this is NOT Neveah's picture!!!!

The news surce you got it from:
(http://www.alternativehealthjournal.com/article/nevaeh_buchanan_body_found/3461) must have gotten it mixed up within their missing children files. I noticed this pic & link were shown clear back on page 83 of the thread that has been closed, posted earlier today - - - I am just getting caught up on all of today's postings after work, & was going to comment on it being posted back there - but putting it up here is even worse!!! Yikes!

The pic you have shown here is the little girl who was abducted by a parent in southern CA - we were surmising that it might be the child of parole officer with the last name Espinosa who lives in Timothy Lawless' house in Folsom, CA. I have attached the comparative collage I did way back in the Timothy Lawless discussion area weeks ago . . . because I did this layout, I recognized this little girl. . .

Could we please get this changed right away?!? This is just so wrong on a number of levels to post a giant pic of someone else's child . . .

Thank you. (with all due respect)

Hello Monkeys

Just a thought maybe they are not letting the family ID her little body because something was done to her little body that only the killer would know

I agree she needs to keep talking

Monkey hugs

Good!  Like Janet said, I want her to keep talking.  As heart-wrenching as it is to listen to her, she will slip up eventually if she knows anything.

Thanks for posting that NoRose - I will be setting my DVR as soon as I get home!!

(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/thomg.gif) If I had just lost my only daughter in such an horrific way I would not be fit nor coherent enough to go chat about it on national television, there is something very wrong with this picture.
I hope Nancy hands her a severe smackdown. (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/493f9eb7-1.gif)

Everybody is right, mother should keep talking, I don't even know why I said that, except, I guess I'm sick of lies coming out of her mouth, and all the different story changes. And I certainly understand why people would not want to see the remains of their child under these kind of circumstances.

Everybody is right, mother should keep talking, I don't even know why I said that, except, I guess I'm sick of lies coming out of her mouth, and all the different story changes. And I certainly understand why people would not want to see the remains of their child under these kind of circumstances.

I wouldn't be sitting down and talking to anyone on national tv, or any interviews what so ever, I couldn't and wouldn't. Only would talk to LE and a doctor to get help coping.

rosie...I have said it before about this mom too...that she needs to shut up...sick of listening to her defending herself and her relationship with her SO friends...of course the more she talks the more she gets herself in deeper...I think that we just want to sock this wackadoodle and tell her to shut up till she can tell the darn truth and stop sticking up for her relationship with the characters that may have had something to do with her own child's death!

Why is she giving all these interviews saying I didn't kill my child, I am innocent, blah blah blah.......????

I'd have way more to be worried about if I had just found out my child was dead and murdered than worrying about what people thought of me.

You are right, both of you. LE is hoping she keeps talking. I agree.


There is some CollegeKid over at MonroeTalks saying the mom hasn't said anything inconsistent and that having Nevaeh around SO's wasn't JB's problem because Grandma had custody and Nevaeh wasn't under her mom's care. Idiot.

AMEN gal pal!

The line forms to the right.....>>>>>>>>>>

What's the missing child's name?

Hi Rosie -
Unfortunately I do not remember this girl's name - and all of the posts about it are BURIED over there in the gazillions of pages of posts trying to link Timothy Lawless to Melissa Huckaby. The child's last name is Espinoza, it was believed to be a parental abduction (custody battle?) back in March, lives in So. Cal. area where MH grew up & her mother lives (La Habra?). I will continue to try to find those posts to retrieve her name for you. I pulled the huge pic out of the post above because it was bothering me to keep posting it - don't know anything about the current status of this one. Here is the comparison we were doing (smaller pics . . .):

Mayla Espinosa. She has been found safe. I found it. Thanks Tam.

AMEN gal pal!

The line forms to the right.....>>>>>>>>>>

HEY PINK!

We must have crossed posts! Where did you find that info? We need to get it to those web sites using it as Nevaeh's pic ASAP. If you get me the info, I can take care of it . . .

MUCHOS GRACIAS, Pink my dear!

Hi Rosie -
Unfortunately I do not remember this girl's name - and all of the posts about it are BURIED over there in the gazillions of pages of posts trying to link Timothy Lawless to Melissa Huckaby. The child's last name is Espinosa, it was believed to be a parental abduction (custody battle?) back in March, lives in So. Cal. area where MH grew up & her mother lives (La Habra?). I will continue to try to find those posts to retrieve her name for you. I pulled the huge pic out of the post above because it was bothering me to keep posting it - don't know anything about the current status of this one. Here is the comparison we were doing (smaller pics . . .):

(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/thomg.gif) If I had just lost my only daughter in such an horrific way I would not be fit nor coherent enough to go chat about it on national television, there is something very wrong with this picture.
I hope Nancy hands her a severe smackdown. (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/493f9eb7-1.gif)

I believe that mind altering drug abuse tend to produce young people who permently lack a conscience.  A nighbour's son who I had know since birth and ... watched him grow up ... was a typical boy until at the age of 16 years old got into the wrong crowd and began experimenting with drugs.  At the age of twenty he entering rehabilitation and ... has been drug free for seven years.  However ... he is not the same young man.  He is very selfish ... everything is about him.  He is very manipulative.  He is not trustworthy.  His parents's hearts are broken ... his siblings know longer desire a relationship with him.  They claimed they lost their brother 10 years ago.

Janet

Thank you Pink & Jess for the help with getting everything straight for little Maya!

Monkeys working together make a fantastic team!

 :smooch

Facebook is done. :)

::smooch::

You just described a long-lost cousin of mine.  She was beautiful until she began experimenting with drugs.  Her life has been a snowball ever since.  Abusive relationships, in and out of rehab.  Last time I saw her a few years ago, I looked into her eyes and saw darkness.  It was like peering into the eyes of a mannequin.  Cold, no sense of conscience.  It was quite sad.

Hi Monkeys

I have just listened to the Part 1 interview that Jennifer Buchanan gave with our Local Radio Station - 95.5.
SHE called in to the Radio Station to speak with our Morning Show hosts. Mojo & The Morning show.

It is interesting because in the very beginning of the interview - Mojo sounds almost shocked that he has her Calling in. She states that LE has just left her apt " ten mins prior" to her calling in to give her Live interview. That LE says the autopsy is inclusive to prove that ( at this time ) the body found is Neveah. That her Body is not recognizable - and they have to wait for further testing.

Please go to the Link and Listen.

http://mojo.channel955.com/pages/home.html

I have only listened to part 1 of the interview. I have written notes. But while your all here - I would like you all to hear it and so we can talk.
I really think that " JB" should have an Atty - she is ignorant and yet street smart - I believe she ran to the phone right after LE left ..and got on live Radio for her own Benefits.
She admits not straight out yet implies several times that George may be responsible for Neveah's Death.
Again I listened to the first part which is over 10 mins long - and NOT Once does she say her Daughter's Name. Not one Time.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks for the link Deenie.

I believe that justice for little Nevaeh has a better chance of prevailing if Jennifer does not have an attorney.

Janet

I rather not got into details because my emotions wont allow it, but I strongly believe the cause of Navaeh's death with not remain elusive.  It will be determined, if it hasn't already. I am confident of that. 

Hi Monkeys

I have just listened to the Part 1 interview that Jennifer Buchanan gave with our Local Radio Station - 95.5.
SHE called in to the Radio Station to speak with our Morning Show hosts. Mojo & The Morning show.

It is interesting because in the very beginning of the interview - Mojo sounds almost shocked that he has her Calling in. She states that LE has just left her apt " ten mins prior" to her calling in to give her Live interview. That LE says the autopsy is inclusive to prove that ( at this time ) the body found is Neveah. That her Body is not recognizable - and they have to wait for further testing.

Please go to the Link and Listen.

http://mojo.channel955.com/pages/home.html

I have only listened to part 1 of the interview. I have written notes. But while your all here - I would like you all to hear it and so we can talk.
I really think that " JB" should have an Atty - she is ignorant and yet street smart - I believe she ran to the phone right after LE left ..and got on live Radio for her own Benefits.
She admits not straight out yet implies several times that George may be responsible for Neveah's Death.
Again I listened to the first part which is over 10 mins long - and NOT Once does she say her Daughter's Name. Not one Time.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

She said, "Im not pregnant, by this guy, George Kennedy."   So is she pregnant with someone else's?  AGAIN, her story is not adding up to what her upstair's neighbor reported.  This is what she says about her conduct "everyone makes mistakes."  OMG! She also seems to need to say George had a new girlfriend for about 2 weeks, she has a tone about her.   She now is saying she thinks someone associated OR HIS GIRLFRIEND.   She has no explanation why anyone associated to George would harm Neveah, then she throws in there that maybe someone owed George money - well if she is not his girlfriend why would anyone take it out on Neveah -- does not make sense.   Its all about her - interesting as well is she is still referring to it as a disappearance.   She is perfectly able to explain how she is grieving & says "without an audience."    OK this chick is whacked!

Im still listening.  "She's just a Monroe angel" it seems so staged to me.  I hate to say this but after listening to her for 2 weeks, she is as ignorant as they come & I wonder if she even graduated HS.  She refuses to take responsibility for exposing her child to these SO's...unflippinbelievable!

http://mojo.channel955.com/pages/home.html

Live interview with JB - she called into the Local Detroit Radio Station.
after LE leaving her home this morning - June 8,2009

If you listen at 5:45 approx - on audio

She responds to questions of George Kennedy having involvement with her Daughters death

She says I am pretty sure ( garble) something of the effect He and his Girlfriend implying they are involved with Neveah's disappearance/death and or could be someone that knew Him ..He may have Owed someone Money ...I think .. yadda

Then she says I am innocent and had nothing to do with my Daughter's disappearance (**
what about her death is my Question ) Maybe she did not take her, maybe she did personally dispose or have anything to do with Neveah's life ending .. But I think with all her Talk of innocence and Not ME within this interview ..How is that she is now talking up a storm about George. Or implicating him Now after the body has been found. Now she knows via the Examiner that " the cause of Death " has not yet been determined and maybe almost impossible to figure out ... (for now anyway) 

Again not one Dime of Emotions in her Voice. She chooses to show her emotions behind closed doors .. ( she says)
She talks about Neveah as if she was a possession " like a Plant" - not her Child. She speaks of her with Detachment. She never once says Neveah's name.

She never Once says within this Interview " If you *Perp* are Listening to this Radio Show - and If you Kidnapped or Killed My Daughter " I will Hunt you like a Animal till Your Found  " that is what I would say ... Or something very similar ...

BUT then again I would have to be so doped up on Tranq's that I would not be able to call into a Radio Station and Chit Chat after my 5 yr old Daughter's body had been found disposed dead... I would be in a Rubber Room.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


 

I don't believe for one minute JB was out looking for Nevaeh - no way

She likes the attention - maybe Nevaeh took too much attention away from JB  ::MonkeyEek::

She's did 3 newspaper interviews, 1 TV interview but wouldn't show her face, a radio show and tonight Nancy Grace all since Nevaeh has been found dead and murdered by whoever took her.

Doesn't mention her own daughter by name.... all she is worried about is what people are thinking about HER! She sure says "I" a lot.

She is on the clearing Jennifer Buchanan tour, not the Help Me Find the evil murdering monster that did this to my child tour.

Who would be giving interviews if this was your child????? Waiting by the phone for DNA results, YES. Crying my eyes out and having to be sedated, YES! Doing a primetime exclusive on Nancy Grace.....NOT SO MUCH!!!

Capp " Monroe's Angel" .... Yah think that maybe Mom has been paying attention to News of Sandra Cantu .. Tracy's Angel. 

That quip of Neveah being Monroe's Angel just about threw me over ... ( Nothing to due with Sandra nor Neveah) ..

Yah I think that Jennifer now knowing the tests were inclusive(cause of Death) after she found out this Morning - via the Examiner Wayne County .. She is yacking about George .. pointing the Finger at him .... NOW. All the time prior he was her SO Angel.

Yep Cappys...something is very very wrong with all of this...the mom is wacko...

And probably worse then just wacko, imo.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

something is very very wrong ......this will all come out in short time...imo....
funny how some mothers our hinky meters come on really strong and we just "know" that they are shady?  this is one of those mothers....

And probably worse then just wacko, imo.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

JVM talking about this now....
both the SO s have been sent to prison from the jail...
Curtis Sliwa is raising some interesting points....looking preplanned in death of Nevaeh....due to quick drying cement etc...

good evening Monkeys....i have tomorrow off ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::
have any of you wonderful sluthers found out who placed the 911 call to report little Nevaeh missing.  was it moms?gmom?random neighbor?  if ya know please post

Last I read " It was Not Mom" who called. Grandmother was at Work - it was a Neighbor and or someone who took charge of the situation that called 911.

Last I read " It was Not Mom" who called. Grandmother was at Work - it was a Neighbor and or someone who took charge of the situation that called 911.

Last I read " It was Not Mom" who called. Grandmother was at Work - it was a Neighbor and or someone who took charge of the situation that called 911.

All of this "I am innocent" reminds me of another case:
"I don't know, I was at work."   ::MonkeyRoll::

my babycrazy (5) decided to go to the park about a month ago.  first she blocked her door with her Dora kitchen, opened up her bedroom window, slid down 2ft, ran to the side of the house to get a bucket (to place UNDER her window so she could sneak back in) and walked a block to the park.  she is sneaky like ninja.  i was in that bathroom at the time and when i came out she had made a break for it.  1st thing, i asked neighbors 2nd i called 911.  the le found her within 5 min of me calling.  No..i didn't go look for her..i figured there would be time enough for that after the police were notified.  there are hundreds of them yet one of me.  what if she had came back while i was gone?  maybe its just me, but to get as much help as possible was my thought.  needless to say she hasn't a door any more..we removed it.  God help me when she's a teenager..

That is exactly what I questioned yesterday, tks Deenie because I denoted an articled said "someone called 911."  Today, on the radio she said she looked in the park & was called to come home...hmmm

    Keep ya on your toes, huh?   Glad she has a mama who cares.  You're gonna need lots of these when she's a teenager    ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: 

 Here's my 2 cents.   I agree with every comment about the mother and if it wasn't for that 90lb bag of concrete, I'd think she was in up to her droopy,stoned eyeballs.  Too coincidental that the co. behind Kennedy sold that size, the cut fence and all, so he or somebody at that den of perverts at the motel had to be involved.

So are you guys thinking that she and Kennedy did this?

I am sure this is posted somewhere in Neveah's cage- but I just found it.

http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2009/05/amber_alert_for_nevaeh_amyah_buchanan.php

Original Post
Last night at around 8:30 p.m. 24-year-old Jennifer Orise Buchanan (MySpace) reported her 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan missing to the Monroe, Michigan police. She told law enforcement that Nevaeh was playing with a friend of her's in the apartment complex when her friend had to go inside for dinner. While she was eating Neviaeh continued to play with her scooter. When the mother went to get the scooter out of the parking lot there was no sign of little Nevaeh. At some point in there the mother must have notified Jennifer Buchanan, but I haven't yet found out when or how she was notified.

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If it walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, It's Probably a Duck ..
MOM = Liar

I have never heard the word " dinner" being mentioned or that Chip actually cooked that evening .. she was too engrossed in her TV to pay attention to Neveah playing out of the Apt ... as She/Jennifer has stated " Neveah was Mature for her Age" basically Mom's defense " that her 5 year old was used to being unsupervised" jmo.

Then you read in the Detroit News today Comments via the Neighbors
Neighbors described Nevaeh as shy. "She was adorable, a cute little girl with a ponytail," said Haley Jennings, 39, who lived on the second floor of Nevaeh's apartment complex. "Kind of timid. ... Her voice was real soft. She was real fragile, real precious".
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She Jennifer was peeved that she had to dig out her " Flip Flops" ... to go check on her Daughter. That she had to get her Dead Axx off the couch to find her Daughter.
I would like to know the Real Story of what Intrigued Mother to actually go out and look for her ...something made her go look for her ..and I don't think it was Dinner. If it was dinner time why was Neveah left to play outside alone and unsupervised. WHY did Neveah not go back to her House ..for her Dinner. Because Mom did not have the Car to take her to McDonalds.. Grandma was working.  :smt098
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The story of the little one saying that Neveah was in the street on her Scooter - has been said to be made up. That it never was said. The story of the child who said Neveah was stabbed and taken by a Man was to be unfounded.
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Today -Mom is now Yacking her Jaw on Radio only wants to talk about Herself.
She cannot focus on the facts of that Night, let alone her Daughter. All she is doing right now " in her Mind" is planting Seeds ..so she can look like the wounded, the victim, the betrayed by her Associate SO' Boyfriend. 
GAG me

All of this "I am innocent" reminds me of another case:
"I don't know, I was at work."   ::MonkeyRoll::

 Here's my 2 cents.   I agree with every comment about the mother and if it wasn't for that 90lb bag of concrete, I'd think she was in up to her droopy,stoned eyeballs.  Too coincidental that the co. behind Kennedy sold that size, the cut fence and all, so he or somebody at that den of perverts at the motel had to be involved.

So are you guys thinking that she and Kennedy did this?

Okay..still believing Mom is involved..and she thinks because they have said no clear sign of how Neveah was murdered..stupid as she is ..she thinks she is in the clear.  No TV interviews ..because we would not see the face of unlandish grief we are used to seeing with distraught parents.

I am betting she overdosed her on something.  I would think long ago LE would have pulled the survialance tapes from KMart....does it show Neveah and Mommy..if so at what time and what did they buy.   

I am Betting Mommy  OD NEVEAH WITH COUGH SYRUP OR ALLERGY MEDS.  If Mommy had given them to her before then Neveah would not have thought anyting about it..even if it was more then her usual dose.

Sick..sick ..sick..Mom is a sociopath..with her criminal history..yes I deserve what these people have in their homes and car dealerships..and I do not deserve being saddled with a child..except my SO boyfriend loves her..now he is with another women..so to hurt him and free up my time and responsiblities..baby has to go.

 Here's my 2 cents.   I agree with every comment about the mother and if it wasn't for that 90lb bag of concrete, I'd think she was in up to her droopy,stoned eyeballs.  Too coincidental that the co. behind Kennedy sold that size, the cut fence and all, so he or somebody at that den of perverts at the motel had to be involved.

So are you guys thinking that she and Kennedy did this?

Hint hint . . . . . ::Monkeywink::

What's the story on the cut fence?  First time I've heard that.

In the article I just posted she is now throwing George and his g/f under th bus.

She also sates she has not spoken with George since Nevaeh went missing.  I am sure that is not accurate.  I thought she called him and he and Savannah helped look?

Also why yesterday did she say she does not want her face in the media anymore yet will not stop the interviews?  Is NG gonna put a paper bag over her head?

The fence that surrounds the cememnt plant behind the motel had the fence cut recently.

The fence that surrounds the cememnt plant behind the motel had the fence cut recently.

my babycrazy (5) decided to go to the park about a month ago.  first she blocked her door with her Dora kitchen, opened up her bedroom window, slid down 2ft, ran to the side of the house to get a bucket (to place UNDER her window so she could sneak back in) and walked a block to the park.  she is sneaky like ninja.  i was in that bathroom at the time and when i came out she had made a break for it.  1st thing, i asked neighbors 2nd i called 911.  the le found her within 5 min of me calling.  No..i didn't go look for her..i figured there would be time enough for that after the police were notified.  there are hundreds of them yet one of me.  what if she had came back while i was gone?  maybe its just me, but to get as much help as possible was my thought.  needless to say she hasn't a door any more..we removed it.  God help me when she's a teenager..

I did a quick search for that and only saw one media article on it, and a lot of blogs, comments, spec--the info purportedly came from a local.  I'm not buying into it.

honestly, i think she did it (i'm heavyset and 30 and i can swing a 90lb bag over my shoulder like nothen' ) to set him up..it sounds nasty, but he got himself a new woman and moms (it seems) has never been very concerned with Nevieah.....if she didn't luv this guy why was he like a father figure to baby....bio-dad was not very far away.  i don't know about all of this BUT do you have to pay child support for your child if the primary care-taker for said child is in jail?  thats moms main beef...He hasn't paid in two years.  Wasn't she in jail for like 18 months....if i'm wrong please correct me.

Nevaeh's Mother Speaks Out About Case

Last Update: 7:26 pm 

MONROE, Mich. (WXYZ) - Family members will have to wait for confirmation to determine if the child's body found along the River Raisin is Nevaeh Buchanan.

VAL CLARK REPORTS IN THE VIDEO PLAYER ON THE RIGHT

Family members say the Monroe County Sheriff's Department has told them it could be days or weeks until DNA results are back. Until then a positive identification will not be known.

The wait for results comes as the Sheriff's Department is combing through the more than 1,000 tips that have come in since Nevaeh's disappearance.

Nevaeh's mother, Jennifer Buchanan, spoke with a local radio station this morning about what she thinks happened to her daughter.

She answered criticism about being associated with George Kennedy, a convicted sex offender she considered her friend.

Jennifer says she's pretty sure that someone associated with George or his girlfriend were somehow involved with Nevaeh's disappearance.
When asked why she was friends with him knowing he was a sex offender, Jennifer said she believes everybody deserves a second chance.

She also said she knew that George was a sex offender, and never allowed Nevaeh to be alone with him. Jennifer admits that she's suspicious of Kennedy and hasn't talked to him since Nevaeh went missing.
According to Jennifer, they were never romantically involved.

LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW FROM CHANNEL 955 - MOJO IN THE MORNING
http://mojo.channel955.com/pages/show_archive.html?feed=184218&article=5572135

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Nevaehs-Mother-Speaks-Out-About-Case/fFEMT9cZFEeBAFg2_uC6-g.cspx