Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot is only considered "suspicious" of the crime of Stephany Flores and show their entry into the criminal

program "Weekly Report" released today an unreleased video of the income of Joran van de Sloot Netherlands the Miguel Castro Castro prison in which this does not admit responsibility for the crime of Stephany Flores.

The stranger told the cameras that are only suspected of murder, but not guilt. "I Suspected of murder," he said.

Images also show the preliminary interrogation of the agents of INPE, which recognizes alcohol consumption, but not drugs or other substances.

When asked about this sudden illness responds: "It's just sometimes I feel sick in the head ....", without further elaboration.

After 48 hours ensures that you did not eat, so food in the prison asked the medical authorities that hiieron a thorough medical examination.

Finally, the video shows when van der Sloot is received by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, accused of murdering businesswoman Myriam Fefer.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006136918/Ultima-Hora/Joran-van-der-Sloot-solo-se-considera-sospechoso-del-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores-y-muestran-su-ingreso-al-penal.html

[texasmom]

I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but I know this.  IF strings get pulled that prevent Joran Van der Sloot from serving his sentence in PERU, where he belongs IMO; it will only FURTHER convince me that strings were being pulled all along for him in the HAGUE...and I'm going to be VERY EXTREMELY DISGUSTED!

I can't help but BELIEVE that he was tipped off in Aruba...AND HE RAN...WHY he chose Lima, Peru I do not know.  But he obviously didn't have money to establish himself there, if that would have even been allowed.  Yes, he should have had money...he'd just been paid $25,000 for another story...but HE KNEW THAT when he did it.  Did he think he was just going to laugh in the family's face again?  I think he had major gambling debts and/or drug debts that he had to pay and that took a good chunk of the money, JMO.  So what was the plan?  How long could he have stayed in Lima before he would have had to move on?  Did he plan to live off those he could drug and steal from to survive?  Surely he didn't think his "friends" could continue to Western Union funds to him to keep him on the lam forever? 

That's just some of the questions I have...that I'll probably never know the answer to. 

Texasmom this is exactly what I think is happening.  Stephany's father is sympathetic man and he wants Beth to find Natalee's remains and have closure.  He might be the one to say let him serve his time in Aruba.

If this happens it's a hugh mistake.

It is not Joran who knows where the remains are it is Aruba.  This is the exact reason they kept Natalee's remains.  It was to use as leverage against Paulus and Joran.  Paulus had his leverage but Aruba also had theirs.

Persoanlly, I do not think he ever intends to say where NH is. This is his way of maintaining control over people and playing his sick game. JVDS can easily say that we dumped her here in the Ocean. That does not mean that she would still be at that local. Everyone must keep in mind that this is not a 22 yo punk, it is a 22 yo sociopath.

Exactly Red!  

[2NJSons_Mom]

[Northern Rose]

Netherlands gives different versions of the murder of Peruvian
LIMA (AP) - Dutchman Joran van der Sloot gave to the police different versions in Chile and Peru on the death of the Peruvian Stephany Flores took place on May 30 in Lima.

The AP agreed to police questioning the Dutchman responded first to Chile and then Peru and found that their versions were different.

While in Peru the Dutchman admitted to being the murderer of Flores, in Chile said it was a robber who fatally struck the girl during an alleged assault on the hotel room where they were both early on 30 May.

"A man came out of the bathroom door blocking access with a knife in his hand. On the bed was another man with a gun. The man with the knife said to be quiet, but Stephany began to speak out loud and he hit in the face making him bleed from the nose, "said Van der Sloot to the International Police (Interpol) in Chile.

He also stated, when asked on 3 June by the Chileans, one day before the death of Flores, were extorted on a street in Lima for alleged police officers who had to pay $ 4000 and give one of her bracelets she had brought Thailand.

The Chilean police told his Peruvian colleagues Dutchman 22 years the questions answered in English, but "he refused to sign his statement" to learn to be deported to Peru.

Van der Sloot was arrested in Lima on June 5 from Chile. A day after Peruvian police said in a different version, which killed Flores in the hotel.

According to the records, she died half an hour after the Dutchman received a threatening message through Facebook by the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway that said "I'll kill mongolito." Mongolito, is a derogatory term meaning +++++++ in several Latin American countries.

Flores narrated while explaining the disappearance of the U.S. on the island of Aruba in 2005, "she hit her head on the left side with his fist." And the violence broke out.

Van der Sloot, 1.91 meters tall, Flores explained that hit the right elbow "just above the nose", then strangled and suffocated.

"It crossed my mind for a moment to hide the body of Stephany Flores, but he could not see the scene because there was too much blood in the room," he confessed.

He added that after killing the two Peruvian took credit cards, your identity, about $ 304 and left in the Flower Jeep. Exactly five years earlier had died Holloway in Aruba.

The Dutchman admitted that the night before the death of Flores drank Pisco Sour and whiskey cola in a casino while playing blackjack and poker together with the Peruvian.

A judge on Friday opened criminal proceedings for homicide Van der Sloot, who could face a prison sentence of between 15 and 35 years in prison. The justice ruled that tackles the process stopped at the Miguel Castro Castro prison where he is detained in a cell member in the flag of prevention.

http://www.publimetro.cl/nota/mundo/holandes-da-versiones-distintas-sobre-asesinato-de-peruana/Etzjfm!68VeLQhjaLSPNWpXhjMSzQ/?utm_

[nonesuche]

I just started watching the next part of Stephany's father's TV interview.
He said Joran had his computer plugged into cigarette lighter in the car enroute to chile.
I can't tell if means Joran was tweeting that HE died in Chile or if he was reading that he was found dead in Chile.
(remember the fake suicide rumors that started when the manhunt was on)
So did he want people to think he was dead. I wonder if he stole an ID from someone. I can't think he could use Stephany's being male.
None of her stolen jewelery has been recovered at time of this interview.
He needed several drivers, so they could rotate driving for the many hour ride. There were originally 3 other taxi drivers, but one of theme could not cross border, because something wrong with his ID.

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/4rsl79S6Zog

I saw this too and I was not surprised at all that he was on the laptop as they traveled, in fact I expected he would be.

Those taxi drivers have rocks in their head for helping him to flee, no matter how badly they might have needed the fare. That said, having traveled in third world countries over the last few years for work I've had some real mr toad's wild rides in some taxi's with what seemed to be some super shady drivers.

[Jo-An]

Joran van der Sloot is only considered "suspicious" of the crime of Stephany Flores and show their entry into the criminal

program "Weekly Report" released today an unreleased video of the income of Joran van de Sloot Netherlands the Miguel Castro Castro prison in which this does not admit responsibility for the crime of Stephany Flores.

The stranger told the cameras that are only suspected of murder, but not guilt. "I Suspected of murder," he said.

Images also show the preliminary interrogation of the agents of INPE, which recognizes alcohol consumption, but not drugs or other substances.

When asked about this sudden illness responds: "It's just sometimes I feel sick in the head ....", without further elaboration.

After 48 hours ensures that you did not eat, so food in the prison asked the medical authorities that hiieron a thorough medical examination.

Finally, the video shows when van der Sloot is received by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, accused of murdering businesswoman Myriam Fefer.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006136918/Ultima-Hora/Joran-van-der-Sloot-solo-se-considera-sospechoso-del-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores-y-muestran-su-ingreso-al-penal.html

I hope this video surfaces soon, I'd love to see it!

[canoworms]

Northern rose, he is sick in the head, and they say admitting your problems is the first step ( tiny joke )
and the second article, does he explain also why Stephany is brutally killed without the GUN or KNIFE and why he, of all people, is allowed to go free? I suppose he handed the winnings over making him the nice guy and they kissed him on the forehead and left quietly...
WOW is WOW spelled backward.
Selena
PS, nice fetch of article

[klaasend]

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot is only considered "suspicious" of the crime of Stephany Flores and show their entry into the criminal

program "Weekly Report" released today an unreleased video of the income of Joran van de Sloot Netherlands the Miguel Castro Castro prison in which this does not admit responsibility for the crime of Stephany Flores.

The stranger told the cameras that are only suspected of murder, but not guilt. "I Suspected of murder," he said.

Images also show the preliminary interrogation of the agents of INPE, which recognizes alcohol consumption, but not drugs or other substances.

When asked about this sudden illness responds: "It's just sometimes I feel sick in the head ....", without further elaboration.

After 48 hours ensures that you did not eat, so food in the prison asked the medical authorities that hiieron a thorough medical examination.

Finally, the video shows when van der Sloot is received by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, accused of murdering businesswoman Myriam Fefer.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006136918/Ultima-Hora/Joran-van-der-Sloot-solo-se-considera-sospechoso-del-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores-y-muestran-su-ingreso-al-penal.html

I hope this video surfaces soon, I'd love to see it!

Searching for it right now. 

[cecilita]

Insecure, depress and he is not acting arrogant anymore.
He just ate half of his arroz con pollo (A Peruvian dish) and he slept on the floor (I bet the mattress smell bad )

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494278/joran-van-der-sloot-casi-no-prueba-alimentos-penal-miguel-castro-castro

[Stom]

Joran van der Sloot is only considered "suspicious" of the crime of Stephany Flores and show their entry into the criminal

program "Weekly Report" released today an unreleased video of the income of Joran van de Sloot Netherlands the Miguel Castro Castro prison in which this does not admit responsibility for the crime of Stephany Flores.

The stranger told the cameras that are only suspected of murder, but not guilt. "I Suspected of murder," he said.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwrpz3GfznI&feature=related

Images also show the preliminary interrogation of the agents of INPE, which recognizes alcohol consumption, but not drugs or other substances.

When asked about this sudden illness responds: "It's just sometimes I feel sick in the head ....", without further elaboration.

After 48 hours ensures that you did not eat, so food in the prison asked the medical authorities that hiieron a thorough medical examination.

Finally, the video shows when van der Sloot is received by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, accused of murdering businesswoman Myriam Fefer.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006136918/Ultima-Hora/Joran-van-der-Sloot-solo-se-considera-sospechoso-del-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores-y-muestran-su-ingreso-al-penal.html

I hope this video surfaces soon, I'd love to see it!

Searching for it right now. 

[Stom]

Joran van der Sloot is only considered "suspicious" of the crime of Stephany Flores and show their entry into the criminal

program "Weekly Report" released today an unreleased video of the income of Joran van de Sloot Netherlands the Miguel Castro Castro prison in which this does not admit responsibility for the crime of Stephany Flores.

The stranger told the cameras that are only suspected of murder, but not guilt. "I Suspected of murder," he said.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwrpz3GfznI&feature=related

Images also show the preliminary interrogation of the agents of INPE, which recognizes alcohol consumption, but not drugs or other substances.

When asked about this sudden illness responds: "It's just sometimes I feel sick in the head ....", without further elaboration.

After 48 hours ensures that you did not eat, so food in the prison asked the medical authorities that hiieron a thorough medical examination.

Finally, the video shows when van der Sloot is received by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, accused of murdering businesswoman Myriam Fefer.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006136918/Ultima-Hora/Joran-van-der-Sloot-solo-se-considera-sospechoso-del-crimen-de-Stephany-Flores-y-muestran-su-ingreso-al-penal.html

I hope this video surfaces soon, I'd love to see it!

Searching for it right now. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwrpz3GfznI&feature=related

[Northern Rose]

This may be the video.  It is 17 minutes long and looks to be a compilation of this last week.  I am at 7 minutes and there is footage on here I have not seen before

Click "Ver Video" beside:
La muerte de Stephany Flores

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/reporte_semanal.php

[Anna]

Selena/Canoworms, It's great to see you.  My, seems like so long ago we posted together.  Blah, Wreck, Tylergal and others are still here, too.

It's been one wild ride!

.

[Jo-An]

Van der Sloot Profile: gambling addiction, obsessive, ironic and self-confessed murderer
Sun, 13/06/2010 - 10:06

Murderer. Police and forensic reports reveal the personality of the Netherlands. The Republic had access to incriminating evidence that Joran reveals a split personality character can seduce their victims.

Death came and brought you the marked cards, Stephany, and you do not know. He hoped that the size and intelligence of Joran van der Sloot, athletic and red hair, betrayed a poker player who thought they would learn a lot.

Unaware that in reality he was a psychopath.

It has a facial expression that reflects seriousness and rigidity. At times it is thoughtful and pensive, staring and saddened.

He notes tense and worried. Shown speaking person and moves his hands on the occasions that tells the facts.

Clear answer the questions raised by accepting responsibility for the criminal act for which he is under investigation. Prone to emotional immaturity denotes sudden changes in behavior, ranging from the simple irony, impatience and sarcasm impulsive reactions of anger, irritability and emotional dyscontrol. It has a highly aggressive behavior without considering the damage to third, because it is difficult subject to prudence and reason.

(This is what the report of the experts in forensic psychology, the commander Dora Atunca Sueng PNP and PNP Maria Alvarado most Monteza).

Born to Kill

A psychopath does not plan a crime, simply react to their impulses. Especially when it feels threatened. That was the case of the Dutchman.

When you were in his room, he says you were prying into your personal computer and found out that he feared killed Natalee Holloway in Aruba. That's what I told when I finally agreed to have consummated the killing blows.

I met Stephany on May 28 in Atlantic City, at 6 pm. He approached me, I was playing poker. He said it was amateur. I called the May 29 morning. We were for that night in Atlantic City. We played until two in the morning. After I told him to go to my room to go play poker on my laptop. He had taken whiskey and cola and drank four to five pisco sour. I do not know if she took a lot, but some wine.

We stayed until 5 and 30 in the morning. We lost a thousand dollars. Not much money. On the 28th he had won $ 1,500. Entered the room and sat on the bed. I opened my Facebook account. He had received a message saying I'll kill you. It was for the case of Aruba. I told him what happened.

She suddenly began to worry. He said something that bothered me and suddenly I hit him in the nose and blood. So it all started.
(Declaration of Van der Sloot to the Dirincri).

"He came to play and not to steal"

According to the migration of Van der Sloot, arrived in Lima on May 14 and went on 31 November. He came to the capital not only to make money but to steal. The Dutchman has offered superficial explanations about the motivation of the crime. Someone has said that the robbery followed by death is a crime that is paid by life imprisonment. So now insists that his intention was not to keep the money Stephany. The truth is that agreed to settle after the girl took the little money she had.

I saw a lot of blood and I got scared. I do not remember what I said. He pulled his pants and covering her face to stifle not hear a word. I changed my pole and I bathed. I took his keys, his money, about 850 suns, and their cards. I left the hotel at eight o'clock in the morning ...

Then I looked for a taxi to take me as far as possible. I was scared. Very afraid. I wandered around and then headed for Chile. We were in my room as friends, but we did not have sex. I'm not lying.

(Declaration of Van der Sloot to the Dirincri).

One obvious reason

What I did not want to kill her? That everything was the result of obfuscation? What Stephany discovered it had killed Natalee? Unheard. Van der Sloot "He kept a file of his crimes? The experts in forensic psychology say it is part of a framework to justify his murderous deed.

Showing sociable and easy to establish relationships with friendly and charismatic behaviors, in order to attract others, but may be indifferent when it comes to the welfare of others.

With the ability to have a fraudulent social style in order to benefit others. He does not mind the rights of others. Seeks to satisfy his interest only by hiding information and distortion of facts.

Can not bear to contradict him. Easily offended, resentful, generating a vengeful attitude, even to verbal and physical aggression when necessary.

(Report of experts in forensic psychology, Maria Alvarado Monteza more PNP and PNP commander Dora Antuco).

Joran van der Sloot was a compulsive gambler. A man devoted to the game tomorrow afternoon and evening. A compulsive gambler whose life comes down to winning and losing money. A freak. Stephany Flores only saw him as a professional who learn. He was wrong and cost him his life.

Now the Dutchman seeks to mitigate its liability. He has collaborated with the police to confess to the crime. The truth is that the hounds of the Homicide Division Dirincri had already concluded that he was the murderer.

The data

Neighbor. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot shared cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, the murderer of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer.

It is framed ...

A]. By the time of death of Stephany Flores.
B]. For the acts of recognition.
C]. For the registration of parking the vehicle of the victim in Atlantic City.
D]. For viewing the videos at the casino and hotel.
E]. For the fingerprint analysis in the crime scene.
F]. From the testimony of the drivers that led to the border with Chile.
G]. For the recovery of Stephany's belongings.
H]. For the theft of money, cards and the victim's vehicle.

http://www.larepublica.pe/sociedad/13/06/2010/perfil-de-van-der-sloot-ludopata-obseso-ironico-y-asesino-confeso-0

[Jo-An]

This may be the video.  It is 17 minutes long and looks to be a compilation of this last week.  I am at 7 minutes and there is footage on here I have not seen before

Click "Ver Video" beside:
La muerte de Stephany Flores

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/reporte_semanal.php

Thanks! Watching now.

[texasmom]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

DEEPAK KALPOE:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes. Enough of the BS already.”

I can't believe that imbecile could say something so...well, imbecilic. In some countries if a female goes out with her face uncovered, she's considered a slut. So I guess that would make it okay to kill her?

I don't think Natalee's outfit was slutty at all.

Of course it wasn't Miss Lacey.

Just one more custom that is commonly practiced in Aruba....BLAME THE VICTIM, and the tourists will still come!

[jjayinthemorning]

Oh, good grief; is Glenda maligning a dead girl now?  What did she think--that Stephany was leaving drug wrappers in her car so that when they were found, after she was dead, that people wouldn't think she willingly went to a room with a stranger...I'll be back in a few minutes.

The suggestion was that going back to a man's room at that hour of the morning means there was something wrong with her character. That Stefany shared some responsibility for what happened.

We've seen this before, so she's right on cue for beginning to smear the victim.

DEEPAK KALPOE:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes. Enough of the BS already.”

I can't believe that imbecile could say something so...well, imbecilic. In some countries if a female goes out with her face uncovered, she's considered a slut. So I guess that would make it okay to kill her?

I don't think Natalee's outfit was slutty at all.

The Kalpoes come from a patriarchial culture where women are expected to cover up and only go out escorted by a male member of the family. Every woman who doesn't follow these rules are whores and should be raped according to the culture.
The Kalpoes don't have to show remorse because Natalie didn't follow their culture. According to their beliefs Natalie deserved to be raped and killed.
I could go further into Sharia Law to explain this behavior but it's not necessary. There are alot of apologists from the Netherlands that bow to this culture and participate in human trafficking. Joran took advantage of these types and lived a very dark short life.

[EURobert]

Yes... It's Jurine! And it's Castro Castro!

<a href="http://elcomercio.pe/player/494308" target="_blank">http://elcomercio.pe/player/494308</a>

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel

Bad boys bad boys
Watcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
when they come for you
Bad boys, bad boys
Watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do
when they come for you

[texasmom]

Thank you for the compliment Nonesuche!  :monkeykiss: