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Thank you for the clean cage change!

I was holding my breath from the smell of Joran's dirty pants!

I made it ! 

839 comes after 838 right.  And this nice clean cage was just sitting here.  Where is everyone!

It's been a long haul.  We've run out of gas and broken down a couple times but we keep chugging along.  Hopefully we are coming to the end of the road and there will finally be JUSTICE FOR NATALEE:


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klaasend.

I never thought I would see Joran pay for what he did to Natalee and finally I feel good to know that he is facing justice..  I need to take a quick bike ride and then a swim before the noseeums come out..

td

ssssschwing yaddi yaddi yaddi! :)

all de party people in da haus

Janet,
  Tried to reply but was locked out!I'm glad I'm not the only one that does'nt know the answer to the question,lol.That's ok though because I do know the One they all will be accountable too one fine day and so do you!Hugs

Me neither Terry

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So to wrap up today so far:

HIS LAWYER QUIT..NOT FIRED QUIT.

ANITA IS NOT ON HER WAY THERE..FOR WHATEVER REASON.

ANITA IS ON HER WAY THERE WITH THE HER TWO OTHER SONS.  (DOUBTFUL)

JURAN IS ENJOYING BONDING TIME WITH HIS NEW AND ONLY CORRIDOR MATE..AN ASASSIN..PERFECTO!

What the Vegas line on how many days Joran lives?

Yep, lol

The "friend" with the balcony and green truck was Andre Dos Santos.



I recall Andre was taken in for questioning. What was his alibi during the time NH went missing?

Hello Klaasend,

The bus looks good, haven't seen that in a while.

I have to say I hope Anita does not go to Peru and certainly not with her other sons. Maybe in a few years, maybe in a few months. Not now.

Not sure but I think he didn't go out because he had a test.

Just read his statement: said he was sleeping.

OMG..JVM....Joran had ten whiskeys ,may have blacked out.......the videos Jane ..H-E-L-L-O...he did not look drunk to me !

Thanks for the welcomes everyone!

So Joran is by a hitman.

Is there any way we can send money to this hitman? =P

watching JVM and yelling at the screen when they say things that aren't correct. Husband says I know way too much, I tell him the people at Scared Monkeys know twice as much as I do, they are incredible, and if I ever go missing to head straight to the Monkeys...BUT Monkeys, you do not have permission to post my drivers license picture  ;)

Hugs

O/T is there a thread for Kyron Horman ?

How is Joran going to pay his legal fees in Peru?

He will write a book in which he tells his side of the NH and SF murders. Bet on it.

I am really looking forward to Greta's show tonight.  The whole Flores family has simply stolen my heart.  They are such compassonate people.

By the way, earlier today someone asked where the interview took place, Greta Wire has photos up, and it room looked beautiful.  I believe that is the Flores family/living room.  The picture of Stephany with the two stuffed animals has a rock wall behind it that is similiar to the wall with the fireplace on it in the interview posts that Greta posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soa5MxZtOOI

Great pictures of Natalee

Does Peru allow that..for an accused murderer to make money off of the tale of his crimes?

I am asking because I know little about their justice system.

http://www.youtube.com/v/soa5MxZtOOI&hl=en_US&fs=1

http://www.gambling911.com/entertainment/no-van-der-sloot-prison-sentence-odds-bookie-steers-clear-060910.html

No van der Sloot Prison Sentence Odds as Bookie Steers Clear

A good bet:  The Over/Under on how many years Joran van der Sloot gets sentenced to prison in Peru and which of the Peruvian hellholes he will ultimately end up in.  There is, after all, no cable television and basket weaving in Peru prisons...well, maybe the later.

Van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway back in 2005, has confessed to murdering Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on May 30.  The talk over these past few days has been about what prison van der Sloot will ultimately end up in and how many years he will be sentenced to serve.  More discussion has centered around the so-called "Law of the Donkey", vigilante punishment in South American nations and whether van der Sloot will ever come out of prison alive.

For the online bookmakers, bets on van der Sloot's fate would seem like a given.  He has already made a name for himself in the world of online poker as an avid player, albeit after the murder, since he wasn't the most successful of players.  His attendance at the Latin American Poker Tour in Lima was just that, a spectator.  Organizers confirmed he was not registered to play.

At least one online bookmaker has told Gambling911.com they intend to steer clear of any van der Sloot bets.

"(We) usually want to stay away from death, murder, jail etc," Sportsbook.com spokesperson Dave Stanley tells Gambling911.com.  Sportsbook.com is the largest online sports betting and entertainment site targeting North America.

Stanley points to more friendly-family odds being offered by his company such as the number of strikeouts Major League Baseball sensation Stephen Strasburg will have this season and which team will win the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Carrie Stroup, Gambling911.com Senior Reporter

My guess is his attorney will write the book based on his discussions with JVDS

June 13, 2010 | 7:56 PM ET
pics from interview with Stephany's family

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/

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Yes, in the regular Missing Persons area

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.msg1160142#new

That Dutch brutha is so tapped out and outta gas...

It`s like he is sitting in the middle of the Gobi desert, on top of a broken down Chevette. The doors have bondo on them and a camel ate his tires.

Ok,now that's funny right there!!!!Haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!:):):)

Thank you again Cece.  What a sweet family..and a powerful one, least Joran forget.

Ah..but he has no attorney right now.  And when he does get another..they will try to remain as low profile as possible.  Juran is persona non grata in Peru right now.

And he has no water, no cell signal and no internet access...no oasis in sight.

He does get 1 shower a week and a bucket of water each day to wash his face and clean that floor hole

Ewww..I think his first job should have been to go comando and clean those raunchy pants of his..since he does not seem to be wearing undies from his photos of pants falling down while being handed over to Peru form Chili, appears not to have washed or ahnged since.

EL STINKO!

I am angry that he gets to watch TV with the Columbian for an hour a day.  Too good for him.

Oh.. I am happy he does..the Columbian gets his way..he's been there longer.  And I think that the Columbian will come in very useful to the prosecution in the coming months.  I also think the Columbian may be horny..has not been with other prisoners..is looking forward to the bonding experience.

They have access to a TV and work out room with weights made from broom sticks and pop bottles.  Maybe there will be meat on a stick?

...and he can make sandwiches?

Peruvian Hell
The crime that crosses borders

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Joran Van der Sloot did not know who was getting into when he decided to vent their anger towards the girl that he said had interfered with his privacy.

If Stephany Flores 21, who allegedly met at a casino in Lima, Peru, had been an anonymous citizen before taking her to his hotel room, his murder may have been left unresolved, like many others in that country.

Missing

It turns out that the girl was the daughter of Ricardo Flores, a prominent businessman in the entertainment field, former racer and former presidential and vice presidential candidate.

Video - The alleged murderer Netherlands
 
When his body was found and Van der Sloot identified in the surveillance video of the hotel, his family played a key role in getting the help of the International Police, Interpol, to find him.

According to published reports, 22 year old Dutchman admitted that he and Stephany Flores had an altercation when he realized his return to his room after buying a coffee at a nearby location, which she had entered his laptop and had inquired about background.

It was a smart move, after the not so clever idea of going to a hotel room with a stranger unknown. But it was too late to rectify the error.

The individual who threw caution to the wind proved to be the same person that five years earlier had spent the night with Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

She disappeared and are presumed dead, his body has never been found. Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in his disappearance.

In Aruba a lot of people think they came out with it in part to weak laws of that country, and the influence he could have exercised his own father who was a judge. (The Judge Paulus Van der Sloot died earlier this year.)

The Peruvian justice system is not necessarily very strong. There is no death penalty except in extreme cases such as genocide or crimes committed in wartime.

And there is life imprisonment. The details of the case have yet to be determined, but Van der Sloot could face between 15 and 35 years behind bars, or perhaps less since he confessed.

Either way, the time spent in jail, you can expect to live in a hell of Peru.

http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=2437924

I was thinking if the house of cards with all the Arbuan officials would actually the fall..then the NL steps in and takes over.  I do not think the NL would be too kind anylonger to anyone involved.  They haven't done anything for Jvds other then say they will do no more for him then anyone else in jail in Peru.  The NL embassy brought some clothes and money..just like they do for others.  No sign of helping Anita or Juran with his problems in Peru.  Ah a NL  camera crew is going over, that Anita appeared to want to go with..but it seems no dice.

He may just end up being the peanut butter

We all need to hope that he reveals where NH was buried. In that way Beth and the family can have something to bring home. If he doesn't die in that prison, I think he may give up the location as a way to avoid the general population. A few days in one of those dormatories and I think he may call for the warden and his attorney to make a statement. One guard per 200 prisoners there.

LOL

LOL!  I hope he only gets to watch Peruvian soap operas :)

He is saying this because everyone knows he is a dead man walking..no odds there for goodness sake.  He'll never make a day after the trial.  He will live to see his trial, count on that.  But once he is sentenced he won't last a day or night.  All the special treatment gone..hello general population.

Joran will be the sandwich!

ANDRE DOS SANTOS - 06/20/2005 STATEMENT


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0;wap2

Yes Spock, I think most of us agree with you on this. 

John Ludwig......on NG.....met Joran after Paulis died.

OMG Nancy's gonna blow a fuse

Who is this guy on NG????

Stuck on STUPID is who he is.......

That little t-biscuit doesn`t know a thing. Only what he did to her... right up to the part where his daddy took over and put a child proof lock on him.


http://www.statementanalysis.com/holloway2/

Patrick: But where the f is she Joran?

Joran:   She’ll never be found. Where exactly, I don’t even know myself.

Patrick: How can that be that you don’t even know then?

Joran:    Well...

Patrick: A higher power?

Joran:    A higher power. Powers. No I’m done with it Patrick. It’s fine.
         It’s probably going to come out better than I’d hope. ( I`d re-think that )

-snip-

Joran:    Yeah it’s just...she’s never going to be found. I think.

I missed it in Joran's confession that he claimed he only hit her one time, in the nose with his elbow.

What a stupid liar the monster is!  Doesn't he know forensics are going to enable PLE to completely recreate the crime, blow by blow.

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LOL I don't think Nancy got the "scoop" she was hoping for by having Joran's friend on the show.  The media is portraying him out to be a bad guy? Seriously?

I wonder if this John Ludwig has a sister who he would allow her to spend 1 second with the monster.

Probably why he quit...Joran spilled his guts...he's no longer under Attorney-Client privilege, thinks he can make money!

Joran asked this guy John Ludwig to wire him some money on May 29th.

Nancy Grace just told John Ludwig to get ready for a subpoena.

LOL..that day is coming.

And he's so stupid because he just told on national tv that Joran told him which parts of the movie were true and which were untrue. what an idiot. 

And as I was typing this, Nancy just told him to be prepared to be served a subpoena LOL

Stupid lady on NG blaming the victim....this guy NG tells him to get ready to get a subpeona..   he doesn't want to tell NG anything more that Joran told him about Natalee........I want to SCREAM

Oh yes Mr. Ludwig will be getting a little love note "subpoena" in the near future. Joran emailed him for money May 29th, right before he murdered Stephany.

Why the heck is this guy on TV.  He is a moron.

I'm not watching, which friend of Joran's is this?

Where does Joran know this guy from?  I want to find his Facebook site.

This dumber than dirt Ludwig guy tells the world his real name and where he lives......

I Love it!  Nancy gives him HELL! I wanted to slap him silly when he had that smirk on his face!

If he knows he will after his time in general pop.  But I do not think she is buried.  I think she was in the fish trap and Aruba has the skull and clothing peices in someone's safe...that was the card they have been playing all along ..if one of the perps or cover up people talk ..they all go down.

John Ludwig, from Alexandria VA....met Joran right after Paulus died. Was hanging out with him for about
3 1/2 months.

According to Nancy Grace, his name is John Ludwick and he's from Alexandria Virginia.  He claims to be a friend of Joran's and is defending him, said he is a nice guy, not what the media is portraying him to be.  Joran emailed him on May 29th and wished him a Happy Birthday and asked for money. 

And in that email, Joran said "I'm done with Aruba, I'm never going back there."

Uhh yep I think you can count on that Joran.

Where does he live?  I want to look him up. 

Didn't this dumba** say he was from Alexandria, VA???

Alexandria VA (see post above)  And it's spelled Ludwick, I have it paused on my tv screen right now.

Virginia I believe.

It's so frustrating watching NG!!!

And the attorney on the show said the "jury" will never hear about the NH case.

Hello!!!  Does he not know there is no jury.  It is 3 judges.

I feel my blood pressure rising.

And that is after the "friend" on there set me boiling.

How old is this John Ludwig?

How old did he look?  If he was hanging out with Joran right after PVDS died then he must have been in Aruba

Thanks.  I didn't see the spelling.

Please delete my last post, the name in the search is not correct, but I was able to bring up his facebook page.

Thanks Dragnet, I missed the spelling.....only listening to TV

Hope he has an unlisted phone number and address.....can he be this stupid?

Johnnnnnnn Ludwiiiiiiick... you are the next contestant on can of whoopazz!

Come on dowwwwwwn!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273&ref=ts

He looks about Joran's age and has a similar smirk.

Real short, thin hair and pointy nose.

His Myspace says he is from Palm Beach Aruba

http://www.myspace.com/96386567

Good Lord, this numbnut has 3 sisters......WTF is wrong with him

I've seen him talk on TV about Joran before.  Like when they were first looking for him.

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John Ludwick facebook picture

John's Details 
Status: Single
Here for: Friends
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: Alexandria, VA
Body type: 182cm / Slim / Slender
Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Religion: Christian - other
Zodiac Sign: Gemini
Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
Children: Someday
Education: College graduate
Occupation: Real Estate Agent
Income: $100,000 to $150,000
 

   John's Schools 
Virginia Intermont College
Bristol, VA
Graduated: 2005
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Associate's Degree
Major: General Studies
 

 2003 to 2005
Edison High
Alexandria, VA
Graduated: 2003
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 

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John Ludwick likes:

FishVille
PANTS ON THE GROUND.
Washington Redskins
Rita's Italian Ice
FamilyLink.com   Redskins
Wizards
Capitals
D.C. United
Nationals   High School Reunion
Molly Roloff
VH1 I Love Money $
High School Reunion Season 6   Kid Cudi
three six mafia
JUICY J
Lord Infamous

Dirtbags...Bet the ladies will be lining up to go out with him now eh? Sick!!

My thoughts exactly, Carpe.  This boy needs more than just a subpoena--he needs his a$$ kicked. 

Joran's email to John Ludwick:

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me.  Take care & enjoy your b-day."

May 26:
Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

May 10:
"I am going to Peru to live their (sic) until I need to go back to Thailand & take care of my shop.  I am done with Aruba.  Take care."

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LMAO........PANTS ON THE GROUND!.....Joran's new theme song

When he posted on FB that he was going to be on NG someone commented "good luck, just don't mention your Dad or his friends".

 

Hmmm.  My husband is a retired Alexandria, VA police officer.  I might just have to pick his brain tonight.

John Ludwick Attention: I am going to be a guest on The Nancy Grace Show to talk about my best friend Joran Van Der Sloot. On CNN Headline News tonight Monday June 14th, Live @ 8pm then replayed @ 10pm, 1am, & 3am.

What an azz!

I respectfully disagree.

Paulus van der Sloot had very strong connections within the Dutch justice system and ... it is my contention that these connections furthered the cover up agenda within the Natalee Holloway investigation.

The prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case were appointed by the Netherlands.

The judges in the Natalee Holloway were appointed by the Netherlands.

In August, 2006 Rudy Croes requested a Dutch investigation of the Aruban investigation regarding the Natalee Holloway case ... a Dutch investigation  under the control of Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes.  Searches were conducted and case documents studied.  No negative outcome!

BTW ... on January 1, 2003 ...  Remkes had endorsed the appointment of Paulus van der Sloot to "deputy member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands antilles and Aruba.

Janet

+++++++


Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Nova - June 28, 2005

TWAN HUYS:  Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Mrs. Croes.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

VAN DER SLOOT That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm


On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ….. it has to be.

 
Ludwick's facebook.....

John Ludwick  Attention: I am going to be a guest on The Nancy Grace Show to talk about my best friend Joran Van Der Sloot. On CNN Headline News tonight Monday June 14th, Live @ 8pm then replayed @ 10pm, 1am, & 3am.
9 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273&v=wall&ref=ts

oh, pardon meeeee......Joran's his best friend

This guy made such a fool of himself.  He had a smirk on his face and almost looked like he wanted to laugh a few times.

http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=charlotte+koenig&o=2048&s=20#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273&v=info (http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=charlotte+koenig&o=2048&s=20#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273&v=info)

John Ludwick

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From 1999 when he was 14
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He's like the male counterpart of Medleyrelay or Obscuregoddess

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http://www.myspace.com/96386567

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Another attention seeker!

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Beautiful ... thanks for posting.

he's looking for attention..and he will get it too! lmao

Well, I am certainly expecting him to be getting some love packages.

What a insidious dope-a-saurus!

Oh yeah but not the kind I think he's looking for :)

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I think he'll get a little of both...FBI hello are you listening??????

He can count on that......not the kind he's looking for

watch what you ask for numbnuts

Claiming to be a realtor:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JeFw8zt447QJ:realestateinaruba.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_hotproperty%26view%3Dagent%26id%3D9+%22john+ludwick%22+aruba&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

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and he will sell his version of what the monster told him when they were watching the movie about Natalee. I hope the media will not pay attention of this guy with lack of personality.

He's gonna get more than he bargained for.  This idiot said he sat with Joran when the Natalee Holloway movie was on TV and Joran told him the parts of the move that were true and parts that weren't true.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=45811787157

Joran van der Sloot Fan Club

Good grief there are a lot of sick people in the world.  This John Ludwick and his followers should just skip a few steps and lock themselves in with Joran.  And one of his likes is Molly Roloff?  Wonder if it's the same young from Little People, Big World.  I believe she is all of 14.

This Fnck nut - John Ludwick - reminds me of the episode of South Park where the mongolito coundn't even get one friend.

< snickers> hardly

Good Job Ludwick - unless your father has a urinal cake removal business - you're done.

watch for men in suits and unmarked cars, sporting dark glasses, carrying official love notes
they will be looking for you, John Ludwick

you're cracking me up Rob

The media and followers will chew him up and spit him out on the side of the road like a dead armadillo carcass. The bright side - now, it won`t take long to identify him.

did you look at Ludwick's mother's profile? a pre-school teacher and gymnastics teacher??????

*fainting*

FBI visitors by 9 am tomorrow?

But if asked about it,even under oath,from the mentality he exhibits,he'll lie....Birds of a feather flock together..

Mickey Sherman said when you look at the video of Joran coming out of the jail the people look like Transylvania villagers chasing the Frankenstein monster up the hill....LOL

I think, perhaps, that some missed that screen shot on Nancy Grace. Didya all see it?

It was from Ludwick's email -

Joran said to John Ludwick - I am moving "their"[sic] (to) Peru.

And begged for money.

He must have fell on his head a few times.

John Ludwick , I guess you don't need too high an iq to make a living on Aruba.. I hope his family has money because he really has made sure no US employer would touch him after this and most likely not even before.. I keep thinking that the Kalpoes were idiots but it seems that Aruba is full of them and I know there is a few that aren't but news alert the island seems to be run with idiots, time to leave.. I can see why these guys can't get dates without using drugs.. 

Terry

FBI may make an exception, and start early tomorrow....someone has to knock some sense into this nut

Seriously, his family might just kick his @ss, now that the world knows their address and names of all of them
I'm thinking they're not so proud of little Johnny tonight. Nope, no warm and fuzzy feelings for Johnny.

Certifiable idiots.

this corresponds with the theory that Joran and his facebook messages from Anita and Julie that they knew he was gone and tipped off.

I wish the FBI had been right there to pick his ass up instead of the limo he was bragging about on FB....asshole!!

I agree......he got the heads up from someone.....get the hell out of dodge

new item I emailed klaas last night -

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hi Rob.....was wondering when you were going to join in!! 

3AM, they love the element of surprise!! 

What an absolute dumbass, did you see some of the comments about the "bitch getting what she deserved"??????? Somebody needs to screen cap this ASAP. I also wonder if he has a teeny weenie like Urine??

dang he was prophet and didn't even know it!!

Sunny don't worry, his mother teaches at a public school, there will be complaints about this - the pre-school teacher? I bet the principal's phone is ringing right now.

Interesting... he told him he was moving to Peru but then asked for money to pay for a one way ticket home to Aruba?  Scratching my head.  Lies. Lies. Lies.

Thanks, San!

Was going to ask just how stupid can this John be but I guess the whole world knows now!!!

He'll be long gone dead probably while Joran waste away in a Peruvian prison..I bet the FBI wont touch this freak for that very reason.He's a fame stalking punk simply put and anything he has heard about Natlalee Holloway is hearsay from a known liar.Not credible.jmo..

you know my big mouth Sunny, I have alot to say. LOL - should I?

I don't think heresay is not admissable in court but he did know about the meeting & the money so I'm sure the FBI will be his #1 fans!

Don't forget he had to return to Thailand to take care of his shop (you know, the one he sold)! To quote one of his FB friends: Redonkulous!

I have often wondered how many young girls this bastard has killed?

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One of NG's defense panel members said that the monster can serve only 3 to 6 years in prison because will be difficult for the defense to prove that Stephany didn't ask the monster to go to the hotel.
I can see in the video that the monster didn't have more money and Stephany had her credit cards and debit card to continue playing and before to leave table the monster talk to her and she only move her head like agree to go with him

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get ready - coming in two minutes!!

Thanks None....I hope there is pure outrage among the parents! 

Wonder if the different Ratcliff's that are John Ludwick's facebook friends are relatives of Charlierat?  ;)

Maybe but all I heard him say is that he knew Joran was running low on money and that happened afterwards so...He made sure not to *own*anything on that one..I cant imagine the FBI  messing with this punk but could be I guess.Really I dont know why they even have too.Joran wont be coming here to face the extortion charges anytime soon.Peru has done said,"Joran isn't going anywhere".Our prisons are like the Hiltons here compared to where he's at right now.My vote is?Let him stay in Peru"..

Thanks San.

This is huge.  May 10th!  I hope the FBI know about this email.  The date is so significant.

It would appear that on May 10th the Arubans working with John Kelly and the FBI on the extortion sting ... immediately informed Joran that extradctin to the US was where it was at if he did not flee Aruba.

Janet

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DATELINE

Deadly Connections - June 11, 2010

In Aruba, on May 10, attorney John Q. Kelly says he gave Joren van der Sloot $25,000 of Beth Holloway’s money.

Working with the FBI and Aruban authorities, Kelly and Holloway hoped that van der Sloot would be arrested-- if not for allegedly implicating himself in Natalee’s death then for extortion or wire fraud.

But van der Sloot was not picked up.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/5/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/6/

Thanks Rob!

Bristol, Virginia??? That's my yard. Good Grief! We have Chris Crocker and this joker as a claim to fame! I swear, Monkeys, not everyone from here is a mongolito! Just the well known ones!

Just DO IT!  lol  See we have gotten used to you being here again....so if you are not here we are going to shout you out!  LOL

I'm amazed they found 127 fans of this page ;(  These people are all sick to be Joran fans

the internet's biggest piece of shit! Hot Shit

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Wonder if he'll be alive to see his August birthday in Prison?????? 

IMO, NG should have had better taste than to give this guy the airtime.

Geez, I hope someone here has a direct line to the FBI......May 10th IS huge.....

Greta gave a brief opener with Stephany's sister. She said that when they learned that Stephany had been with Joran Van der Sloot, she went to Stephany's room and googled JVD and "There it was. Very scarey."

Greta's off on another story now.

http://foreign.peacefmonline.com/entertainment/201006/47973.php

Van der Sloot's Lawyer Trouble

Joran van der Sloot may never testify about Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba. Even if he is not killed in a Peruvian prison, as many fear will happen, The Daily Beast has learned that international red tape has led Aruban authorities to shut down their investigation—and now his lawyer has threatened to quit.

Barbie Latza Nadeau on how Stephany Flores’ murder case in Peru may prevent justice for Holloway. The private defense lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, hired by the family of Joran van der Sloot, told The Daily Beast on Monday that he may quit.

A source revealed to The Daily Beast that Mr. Altez Navarro had complained that the Van der Sloot family could not afford to pay for his services. He added he'd received threats and harassment during his representation of Joran van der Sloot.

The Peruvian defense attorney, who divides his time between Miami and Lima, had said he planned to ask the judge in the case to disregard van der Sloot's confession because he was not properly represented when interrogated. This was rejected by the Peruvian police.

It is unlikely that Van der Sloot will ever return to Aruba to face justice there—at least not in the near future.The killing of Stephany Flores has been the highest profile murder case in Peru for years and the Dutchman has attracted a significant amount of public anger. Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, is expected to arrive in Peru this week accompanied by a Dutch television crew.

Joran van der Sloot may never get the chance to testify about what happened to American teen Natalee Holloway who disappeared in Aruba on May 30, 2005. If he is not killed in prison, he may never be given the opportunity to talk about the Aruba case again—even if he wants to.

Van der Sloot’s confession in the murder of Stephany Flores has been enough for many to assume his guilt in the Holloway case as well. But it is unlikely that Van der Sloot will ever return to Aruba to face justice there–at least not in the near future. The attorney general in Aruba says that now that Van der Sloot has been charged and remanded for murder in Peru, they have to wait until after his trial—and perhaps until after his sentence ends—to question him again in the Aruba case. There is no extradition agreement between Peru and the Netherlands Antilles, and Aruban investigators have so far been denied access to van der Sloot.

There is currently no direct line of communication coming out of Peru, and Aruban investigators have admitted they have to rely on media reports to follow developments in the case. “Understandably, the Peruvians are concentrating on the death of their national first,” Taco Stein, attorney general for Aruba, told The Daily Beast. “We hope that once a trial has been fixed, we can initiate the proper channels to formally talk to him once again.”

Authorities in Aruba are also concerned that the 22-year-old Dutchman will be killed by a henchman in the notorious Miguel Castro Castro prison, where he may wait years for his trial to begin. He is on suicide watch and has limited access to funds in a prison where he must pay for his own food. Even if he survives the dangerous prison, he could also choose to keep the location of Holloway’s body a secret, using the information to barter for money or to try to get back to Aruba like he did last week during an intense interrogation in Lima, when he tried to leverage the information to be released to Aruban authorities. When Peruvian authorities refused to send him back to Aruba, he clammed up. “He let slip that he knew the place where this person was buried,” General Cesar Guardia told reporters in Peru last week. “But he would only testify before Aruba authorities.”

Authorities in the United States are expected to hit the same dead end with extortion charges lodged against Van der Sloot in Alabama. In late April of this year, Van der Sloot reached out to Holloway’s mother Beth Twitty through attorney John Q. Kelly, promising that he would finally tell her where her daughter’s body was buried in exchange for $250,000. Holloway’s attorney met Van der Sloot in Aruba and told the NBC Today show that he lured him with $100. He then contacted the Aruban authorities and the FBI who set up a joint sting operation. “It was a win-win situation.

He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalee home,” Kelly told NBC. “Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in.”

• Dan Collyns & Barbie Latza Nadeau: Van der Sloot’s Latest Lie• Barbie Latza Nadeau & Dan Collyns: Van der Sloot Tells AllVan der Sloot was eventually paid $25,000 in cash and wire transfers to his Dutch bank account, but fled to Peru before the next scheduled meeting was to take place.

Kelly is deeply disappointed in the failed attempt, and the FBI has washed its hands of any responsibility in Flores’ murder. In a press release posted on the FBI website, they explain that because Van der Sloot was in Aruba when he contacted Kelly, they did not have enough of a case to bust the Dutch man. The statement says: “News accounts have also questioned why charges were not brought earlier, so that the tragic death of Stephany Flores could have been avoided … Despite having been in motion for several weeks at the time of Miss Flores’ death, it was not sufficiently developed to bring charges prior to the time Van der Sloot left Aruba.”

But even if he had stayed, it is unlikely he would have been held accountable for Holloway’s murder, even if he had told Holloway’s attorneys exactly what happened. Aruban authorities have never had great success investigating Van der Sloot, who, along with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, has been arrested twice in connection with Holloway’s murder. Both times they were released due to lack of evidence—mainly Holloway’s body.

Had Van der Sloot stayed in Aruba, the American extortion case would have likely stuck. Kelly says he believes he would have been convicted of extortion. Doing time in an Alabama jail could have easily softened him up to finally tell the truth about Holloway. Doing time in Peru will likely have the opposite effect.

I wonder if he got paid like Joran was paid all the countless times he was spewing lies,lies,lies on every network that would have him....? That old birds of a feather...(shakes head)

In Greta's teaser before the break, she posed the question, "Does the family of Stephany Flores blame Beth Holloway for inadvertantly giving Joran the money to come to Peru where Stephany was murdered?"

Geez........

Wow-the next thing we'll hear is Joran knows Casey ...

I hope not.

Rob:  Who is Kath Drenga?

I`m glad she did. Take him out... he`s taking himself out, actually.

One less we have to worry about in the future.

These cases are like sitting a big honeybaked ham out on your patio...

every fly in the neighborhood makes an appearance.

Bug zap the dookie out of em! Pow! Biff. Bzzzzzzt!!!!!

Going through the confession....... same 'ole stuff. She hit him, and Joran's description of physical altercation. Blah, Blah....

I think in the long run it was a good thing.  One he spoke to Joran and Joran told him things (Yes I know he lies).  Two he gave personal emails from Joran with the dates.

The Courthouse is located inside the prison. It takes at least 2 years to get to court for murder.

did he say Joran wants to be in general pop?

You're right, San. Mine was just a knee jerk reaction. <wink>

I'm having difficulty understanding the guy Greta's interviewing. Thick accent.

First off - I don't know this Jairo Vrolijk. Never heard of him. Someone got that confused. I was friend's with Armin - in real life - (and I'm not saying his last name simply cause he google's his name and I don't want any more of his crappy emails - you all know who he is)..

There was a Tito Vrilojk that committed suicide and Armin and I talked about it. There was nothing there. Aruba has a Suicide Prevention Week and who would thunk it - one happy island and all. But they do drink poison, they are not all that happy. Pantyboy has the last name Vrolijk too. He got the hell outta Aruba and is in Holland - who can blame him. He's a jackass - but not involved.

I think someone got Jairo Dierksen and he's buddy Gabe Leo all mixed up. Jario is from Colombia and he did live on Aruba at one time. They are related.

These Vrolijks are not Shango - and for the record - no one knows who Shango is. We all think and have suspicions.

I believe Shango is a US government employee - although I have no idea who.

Armin and Clyde Burke are Simian.

I can't understand him.

I think he's saying that in general, any prisoner would wish to be in general population instead of solitary.

Marco!

Thanks, they should have put sub titles in for that interview!

lol

my heart is breaking for this family

What a question! "Describe the pain?"

Greta: What happened?

The family thought it was a kidnapping at first. She left on Saturday, they got worried on Sunday and called the police.

Monday the police thought it was wierd and viewed casino video.

Tuesday they found out Joran's name, and Stephany's sister in law googled his name and she started screaming. The rest of the family came and saw who Joran was.

Polo?

That was a pretty dumb question to start with.....
Can u imagine googling his name not knowing??

OMG!! LOL!! I knew somebody would do it!!

What a helpless feeling.

No! What a shock that must have been!!

Kidnapping is somewhat common in Peru. They pick a victim and then take him to an ATM machine. That's all. I read that in a UK embassy document.

Carpe was first.

Wow............ Greta asked why they think he did it. Father says maybe Greta can tell them because he did it on the same date as Natalee.

Stephany's Dad alluded to that in the interview he did.

Oh, God............. this sweet, sweet family!

"If we can do anything to help Natalee's family we will. We're going to do it."

Rob, Do you think he and Joran were packing fudge?

It makes her torture and death even worse.

he has nothing to say to Anita.....

They have nothing to say to Anita. They'll see what she has to say now that there is proof that her son is a murderer.

Greta went to the "FBI should have arrested him" (grrrrr)

They said they did not understand and that it's never good to negotiate with a killer. Nothing good can come of it.

Through with Aruba.  He knew that there was that warrant and Aruba LE told him not to return or they "might" need to use it, although I am sure they did not want to.  Just sayin'

why is Greta trying to blame the FBI???? I can't stand her!

Greta wants to stir up the anger, blame, and hatred. The family isn't giving her what she wants. Nice family.

Whole interview will be posted on Greta Wire.

Oh, great, cancel my trip to the boardwalk.  We were in weenie world last time I was here, now we are talking about the Hershey highway.

It's over.

I thought that maybe Beth went to Peru with Greta......... are we sure Beth went to Peru?

makes sense to me!

That is one of the reasons that stephany had a debit card with 2 or 3 tousand dollars in case if she is victim of those fast kidnaps.

Is it because of who she is?

I was afraid I would get banned if I said I think John and Joran are fudge packers.....lol

Where's the media attention to the stuff that's really relevant???

WHY can't they put together the obvious? Aruba stayed true to form and tipped Joran off. ALE could have hauled him to jail immediately based on the info that he knew where Natalee was buried as part of the laughable continuing investigation of Natalee's murder.

Why the tortured winding road that the FBI is somehow responsible?

He has nothing to pack with.

I think Joran is Bi

We know from the court documents filed that he and Guido at one time had a "more than friends" relationship. 

No. Just the way it is in South America and Mexico. Too big a difference between rich and poor. Anyone who looks rich is a target. She had a new Jeep. Looked rich.

LOL! Well, BEARLY'S in the HOUSE!!  <grin>

Isn't there an investigation?  Why wouldn't she wait until that is complete?  I have heard different versions.  Does she really think LE in Aruba is going to change their spots now?  Does she have a time share in Aruba, too?

There is nothing wrong with saying Joran is a male hookah.

Guido admits that they had sex and Joran does not dispute that.

It's on the board.

hear me julie?

Me wonders if he danced with Guido in the rain?

That is one of the sweetest families ever-Greta was revolting, but they handled her interview with complete grace.   Her questions & attitude were just awful.  [ Someone should tell her that Scared Monkeys has discovered that Joran left Aruba on May 10th it appears. ] 

I just cannot believe she put them on the spot regarding the FBI, as well.  I've had it with her.  She makes Barbara Waa Waa's awkward interviews seem like a cakewalk. Ugh!

Bi-polar

Bi-sexual

Bi-Bi, Joran......... your azz is cooked!

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

For Joran, it's anything for power or money.

REALLY????

I couldn't help but wonder if when she googled Joran's name, SM came up.

In peru does not exist media class or you are rich or you are poor. Most parents open accounts for their kids just in case if they are kidnaped (most of the time they dont kill you in those fast kidnapings). My dad used to do the same with us. Parents in Peru are very protective.

I concur Klaas......

Yep, I agree

I think she's hoping for an Anita interview ...

yep

The Kalpoes have a standing invitation, too, IIRC.

Then it probably did for sure.  Right now the major networks are coming up alot because they have been all over the news. 

Probably so.

I am laughing my axx off.  Thanks for that.

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Greta referred to her own experience visiting Joran's parents with Beth. She did not mention her own lap-dog interview with Joran himself.

FWIW, the footage she showed of Anita did not match the narrative line. That was Anita at a different time. Remember, Paulus made them turn off the cameras before Beth and Greta were invited in. There were actually no cameras at the interview Greta was talking about.

I don't like Greta very much any more.

I was looking for a video where Anita refers to Joran as "sporter" today. A poster wanted to see it. Anyway, I ended up watching several, and there was a Nova video where Anita was going on and on about how ALE was being cruel to Joran. "They interview him for as much as 10 hours, and keep asking him where Natalee is buried, and they ask him the questions over and over, etc." She was really distraught. It was interesting to watch at this point.

She's come a long way since then. Choosing Richard Gear over what "sporter" is going through now is a real about face!

She has something up her azz.

Not her, too!

It appears to me Joran deep down inside has a hatred for women. He is evil

SM knew Nat was the big story... long ago ... in a land far far away.

We were Justice for Natalee before Justice for Natalee  was `cool`

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But, CBB, he can surrender in 4 languages, isn't that special?

She's supposed to be traveling all week-it'll be interesting to see what her destinations will be.

:D

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This is true.  He especially has a hatred for Beth.

LOL!

Hey Frijole!

Another way to look at this:

Joran took Beths money on May 10th, was tipped off by ALE that they were going to detain him (per the FBI). Joran, then fled to Peru knowing they had no extradition rights with Netherlands and Aruba. Joran knew he was on the run, robbed Stephanie and then lost it completely in the hotel room.

I think that Anita is going to send somebody to apologize for his monster

That is frightening.  The kids ransom themselves?  Stephany's Dad said they were waiting for the phone call.  CBB, you thought the animals in your woods were bad.  Holy smackers!

 

I LOVE how the sister-in-law answered Greta's question with , Why didn't Aruba search like we did and look through tapes 5 years ago?

Did you hear that ARUBA?

pb

Bi-lingual

Yes. He was use to always getting his way and Beth was going away. This  time it wasn't going to be swept under the carpet.

She better have riot gear then or have a big umbrella that will stop spit-covered lettuce heads, heck, they may be up to watermelons by now.

Would you be interested in hearing her?

edit

Did anyone notice early in the Greta interview when the man she was talking to was reading the legal documents and stated something to the effect of Joran was willing to tell now where Natalee's body is?  Greta said - Huh, big of him -

It may be a little late for Greta to be on the bandwagon now and if I were her, I would be ashamed to ever see Beth again after being her BFF and then snuggling up to Joran.

That could be, Spock. It would fit in with him not being able to plan 10 minutes in advance of what the heck he was going to do. Joran is kind of the king of make it
up as you go along. Which, as he`s proven, is a catastrophe.

He sent an email on May 29 to his boyfriend asking for money and then when he checked his facebook on May 30 no answer from his boyfriend. He was already broke otherwhise he will not ask for money, Stephany maybe was his plan B. LE can check if the monster called Stephany to meet in the casino.

Hello, Y'all.

I saw the interview with the Flores family; I think it's the only reason anyone even watched Greta.  That family really is made up of exceptionally good people.  I can't believe every one of them said they don't hate that murderer; however, we all hate him enough to go around.

Also, Greta should have had an update stating that the attorney she interviewed had quit his case.

Oh, and Greta is on whatever bandwagon she thinks will get people to watch her show.

Yes, it's all about the ratings.  Now, behind the scenes she may do the exact opposite but what the world sees is what brings home the bacon.

Right and I won't lose one wink of sleep over it.

That is very true of Greta Darleen.  I, too was struck by the humbleness and kindness of the Flores family.  I would not be that forgiving.

Oh, and isn't John Ludwig just a tool?

Also, didn't the officials in Aruba show again, just today (not to mention their letting him leave that island when they knew the FBI was closing in on him) that nothing has changed there by postponing/cancelling a meeting with Dave Holloway; still jerking him around and evading dealing with Natalee's case. (or did I misunderstand what happened, which could have happened as I don't understand their system)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CErapf79rqM

Remember this guy?

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Well, you know what, Klaasand, if she's different behind the scenes and compromises her beliefs for ratings, then that says something about her character, too.

I was so looking forward to this interview with the Flores family..they are so compassionate.

What the heck..Greta spends a weekend in Lima..and only speaks with them for like 15 minutes.  Her questions have already been answered in the press by the family.  And she was not delicate in her questions..the family is still in mourning.  She is a guest in their home for the interview...has she no manners or grace.

Greta ..you need to take a few courses:

1. Manners in another person's home.

2. Have an interpreter..don't expect them to know your language.

3.  Get a grip..this is not news..this was torture.  The family spoke nothing they had not spoke before.


Greta I am glad you took a shower at the Peru airport, waiting for your flight out.  Very glad they didn't have a hair dryer in the airport shower area.

 Why..because who but a cold hearted journalist could care about her own hair after speaking with the family of a murdered girl.

(fixed quote stack) bh

The many faces of Anita of the Ditch.

Well, she is a single lady now (egads, I just pictured her in a leotard singing that song), maybe she was hoping for a chance with Dick, Richard.

If I think about it, it really does not surprise me.  Anita is out for Anita, also.  It is all about the way things look, if he is not on the island, she does not have to look at him, she can disassociate from him.  If he is on the island, all her friends know he is there, she also knew her husband had sway, she couldn't lose.  If she doesn't go to Peru, she has nothing to lose, if she goes, she will lose face, she is not the all powerful wizard of Oz, she is just a witch behind the curtain, and will be exposed.  She works underhanded and dirty, not up close where she can be seen, just heard.

OOOPS..somehow got caught in the quote above..my reply was not LOL

Well, he was raised by the Bitch of the Ditch.

well now is not to bad. You should not go to bad places, you just interact always with the same people  and go to the same places. Most of the time they intercept their victims and take them to all the ATM's can get money. when you don't have a Penny en your account they let you go.

Alabamaanna, I don't know anything about that John Ludwig guy other than what I've read posted here tonight, but I do know that no one in his/her right mind would go around bragging about being friends with that lying, manipulating multiple murderer.

Did Joran know the camara was there?

I don't think so. he walked past the camara holding two coffee cups and unlocked the door. Then, he closed the door and asked the maid to let him in saying he had no keys. The camara showed he had keys just a minute before. The scheme could only work if he thought the camara wasn't on or hr thought the camara wasn't there.

LOL Natalee looks like Chrissy Evert in the guy's painting.

Wait until you watch the video if there is one.  Look at his facial expressions.

The voice of those who have been silenced, big story or not.  It is not always pretty to be on the side of the innocent.  Those who are guilty throw stones all over the place, while trying to blame the victim.

I really miss Peaches tonight.

Yes, it's sad but true.

I think he did a great job and she looks like an angel.

I also like how he smeared chit all over Paulus` face. :)

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Thats the look of OMG, there is a camera!

Thanks god!!!! there are cameras everywhere in Peru

I have to share a quick story....this morning when I got to work I signed on to SM, posted and then I went to the back office to say good morning to my agents...when I walked in on them (10) they were having a discussion about Natalee and Stephany and saying what a POS Joran is. I just stood there with a SMILE on my face and told them, Now this is how I like to start my mornings at work and lol.
We had a 10 minute discussion about Stephany's case and a 8 minutes discussion about Natalee's because we were interrupted by clients.

Now there understand why I walk around with my, Where is Natalee?, bag.

pb

he still have his crazy eyes there

That is the best discription of Anita I have ever heard.

NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
New Details About Joran`s Confession
Aired June 14, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ijvm.01.html

That must be where they got his name.  PMP  Power, Money, Poker (PiMP)

Because he has no power over Beth as a human being.

I see John Ludwick's facebook is private now :-)

1.  Too late, she showed what her priorities were.  2.  Doesn't she have enough class to do it herself?

Okie Dokie:

Chow Joran!

Sionara Joran!

Arevadercie Joran!

Adios Joran!

Au revoir Joran!

Ching Chang Chong (or whatever the Chinese say) Joran!

(my apologies for the spelling butchery I committed)

Too much attention for the wuss.......boohoo

IMO, it's going to be just too rich if Beth gets to testify in his trial. I'd love to see her participate in putting him away forever!

I'm like 10 pages behind, so I know you guys have covered this, but I'm thinking that May 10 posting is the "proof" that Joran was tipped off that day...

IMO

Darlene, I must have missed something, didn't Joran fire him?

Welcome AA!

Yes. Could we ask the media to pick up on that?

heehee!

Yes, thanks Carpo!

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Isn't she a defense attorney? 

Broadside: van der Sloot's confession

(NECN) - The case against Joran van der Sloot is drawing tighter and tighter. But his confession to the murder of a college student in Peru could be just the beginning of his problems.

Attorney Wendy Murphy joins Jim Braude to discuss what's missing from van der Sloot's confession, and whether there will ever be justice for Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

http://www.necn.com/06/14/10/Broadside-van-der-Sloots-confession/landing.html?blockID=253594&feedID=4215 (http://www.necn.com/06/14/10/Broadside-van-der-Sloots-confession/landing.html?blockID=253594&feedID=4215)

Yes, she's a defense attorney and was a law professor at Georgetown. I honestly think she thinks like a defense atty, and that's a unique breed. I remember her well from OJ's days.

Oh, that's just awful!  You would think the prison system would be a deterrent.

Forgive me if I've missed something, but I'm beginning to think that Beth isn't in Peru. There's been no media attention to it if she is.

My feeling about Greta's show: She is up to something.
Seems like she has a completely different take on this case nowadays.
Me gets the impression that she is not on the best of terms with Beth.

She reports it as matter of fact vs the great passion she had early on...
Keeps hammering the FBI, for some reason. Strange.

ARUBA: PAY TO SLAY?

On August 8, 2006, FOX News reported Aruban prosecutors had to pay Paul van der Sloot compensation for being detained:

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday they will appeal an order to compensate a man detained in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.

A judge on the Dutch Caribbean island ruled on July 28 that the prosecutor’s office should pay $30,190 to Paulus van der Sloot, a former justice official in Aruba who was detained in the case for three days, for defamation and legal fees.

“The public prosecutor’s office does not agree with the amount granted, since this is much higher than usual,” spokeswoman Mariaine Croes said.


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VAN DER EEM VIDEO 2008

I tried to shake her, I was shaking her, I was shaking the bitch. I was like, ‘what’s wrong with you man?’ I almost wanted to cry. Why does this shit have to happen to me?” When Van der Eem asked him if he really knew if Natalee was dead, as she could have still been alive, Joran looked perplexed, then nodded his head in agreement and said, “Yeah, that’s possible.” Then Joran went as far as declaring, “I’m done with it. The only thing I want now is my big fat compensation check.”


http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/06/joran-van-der-sloot-before-and-after-families-whose-child-might-be-a-murderer/

No-not at all. 

Still catching up so don't know what's ahead yet...
But I gotta comment on greta...I thought it was a lousy interview BECAUSE the questions were embarrassing and offensive (to me)...
How does anyone ask those questions to a family that just now facing the lose of a daughter/sister/brother?
What a Strong family....my heart goes out to them and they are a remarkable family...no hatred....struggling to put sense to why and at the same time offering any help they may provide to Beth....they have definitely changed my perception of what life can be like in Peru.....America can take notes on how much family means in the face of tragedy..

Peru seems rather lax on murders. Not the biggest deal in the world to them.
Surprised to hear lack of hatred for Joran. Very non-judgmental.

Flores family seemed very compassionate. Considerate of Holloway feelings.
Also, seemed willing to negotiate information about Aruban case for lighter sentence(for Joran).

He very well could be calling in his favors, behind the scenes, while acting calm on the surface to media.
Instructing prisoners to sodomize Joran on a daily basis with broom handles.
Give him "swirleys" in feces infested toilets. Poisoning his food with poop.

Always thinking of a way to get someone off.

Me too.  And I thought it nervy that Greta took it upon herself to pretend to speak for Beth while bashing the FBI at the same time.

Monday, July 24, 2006
"You're own father, unbelievable."
Could Karin Janssen be so wrong that arresting 9 people with charges from rape to murder to premeditated murder to kidnapping be just completely made up?

Things seem to get awfully quiet when the picture of Paulus at the casino talking with Natalee came out. It knocked Joe Tacopina (who when asked about it, did not deny it, he said "Paulus has admitted to being in the casino") off the air and Steve Cohen vanished after saying he'd look into it. No more Arlene "she just vanished" Schippers, relative of Guido "heavy battery" Wever.

Of all the types of people sitting next to Natalee, it's not a woman, it's not a black person or a fat person or someone in typical tourist clothes. It's someone who not only is wearing the white dress shirt so many of the Dutch elite wear in Aruba but someone who you can't say is not Paulus Van der sloot. A coincidence?

Deepak to Joran, "you're own father, unbelievable."

And Anita van der sloot was quoted as saying that Joran said to her, "if you were home, this wouldn't have happened."

What wouldn't have happened?

The charges against Paul Van der sloot were: Suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping, reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

What does that mean to you? What words jump out?

Premeditated and containment with the dead as consequence.

"you're own father, unbelievable."

When the van der sloots made their publicity tour they used the word "consensual" over and over again, as if to admit there was some type of sex but it was consensual. And from what we've seen in Aruba, even if Natalee was found, it could have been argued that there was no proof that it wasn't consensual, even with Joran and the Kalpoes.

But how to explain evidence of Paulus Van der sloot? That would be much more difficult and seems to necessitate that she wasn't found. That no amount of revenue loss to your precious kitty could be worse.

So what's more damaging, a blog that calls Paulus Van der sloot a rapist or a prosecutor that brings Paulus in twice on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence?

"If you were home, this wouldn't have happened."
"you're own father, unbelievable."

And Paul van der sloot advises the Kalpoe's and Joran, "no body, no case" while he's a paid employee of Aruba working in the prosecutors office? They must have some powerful Union. Hey, they do. And it ain't the people washing towels in the hotels. It's the Police Union.

"These officers are all my friends." Paul Van der sloot.

The pre-meditation charge was immediate, even against the security guards. Makes you wonder how they knew so quickly, without evidence, that premeditation is involved? And of course it's absurd to consider the racist element since 2 black guys faces were flashed on the screen in the early days followed by a beautiful picture of Natalee. You guys in Aruba were actually much better at this spin than you've been when it didn't catch on. Yeah, preying on those deep seeded feelings. Very good, subliminal. But nobody bought it.

Just when did the premeditation start?

Why is it so hard to even utter the words that this is a sex crime, a hate crime against Natalee. Her parents cannnot bring themselves to even utter the details regarding Joran's early statement about Natalee's anatomy.

To incapacitate a woman by drugging her for the purposes of sex is without accurate words in it's violence. But in Aruba, it seems common knowledge. What kind of sick mind can rationalize this behavior, what kind of savage person can even commit a sex act with a woman they've drugged? Ah, hey Dad, is it normal that I get a hard-on while watching Bangbus? Ever have one of the talks Paulus with your son? But then, who would be asking the question you or him?

These are dangerous people, and yet the same suspects are out partying again, Aruba once again looking the other way, the same lack of concern that took Natalee's life and nothing has changed.

The adults in Aruba play politics while the boys raised on porn roam free full of the misogny these adults spawned. The adults made the money on porn, at the expense of the kids, nothing but actors, bubblegum porn stars. Interesting the Kalpoe's and Van der sloots have no sisters, the only female role models being the mother's and tourists coming to have some fun, as if that's all women are? It's a warped perspective and add to that the fact that these guys had access to the internet and fed their minds with Bangbus and faux gangsta and pimp images. For as many hours as kids of my generation watch TV. I was watching baseball and Carvel commercials while these guys are watching girls get fucked and dropped on the beach.

"you're own father, unbelievable." "If you were home, this wouldn't have happend." "I dropped her at the hotel, I dropped her at the beach, Deepak picked me up, Satish picked me up" and on and on.

"That will not give Natalee back" Anita Van der sloot
"No body, no case" Paul van der sloot
"If you were home, this wouldn't have happened" Joran Van der sloot

Quite the gracious family aren't they, the Van der sloots?

Murder, premeditated murder, kidnapping, rape, heavy battery and complicity to kidnapping and intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

And the media still calls it the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Was all that necessary to make her disappear? At least tell us she didn't suffer.

Those same people who complain about slander are themselves guilty of the same thing. Slander is a legal term, decided in a court of law, and to threaten someone because they engage in slander, is hypocrisy from the "innocent until proven guilty robots."

The raping and murdering Van der sloots, the Dutch Van der sloots. Oh wait, you can't call Dutch people Dutch, it offends them. You thought Germans suffered, unnecessarily, from an insecure guilty consciounce?

And all the sensitive bloggers and the phony caring. What it really is is after the fact masochism to absorb some pain in your own life and live with it because you want to feel it has purpose, but it's really just inactive.

Look at the charges and think for just one moment about a picture of Natalee, ponder how you feel.

Then look at the Van der sloots. If you don't understand what I mean than you're lost in a decorum that weakens the group, you're like weeds.

How has it affected your own life? Can you just handle the pain of tragedy more, do you use Natalee to bash others, other countries, anything unrelated to this particular savagery?

The soulless say there are millions of cases like this, so we should ignore all of them?

This case should open your eyes to seeing the misogny and predatory behaviour everywhere all around you. How far removed are we from when girls were precious? There was even the basic human decency.

We now have people roaming free who drug, rape and kill a girl with so much promise and they see it as a "problem" or "situation" or "incident?"

And you can meet the price for Joe Tacopina's own brand of cheerleading, a paid actor. Like being confused that a group of people would pay Cameron Diaz $20 million to do a movie? Is that good or bad?

And we should follow some decorum or politcally correct speech? If you heard about the word karma, but maybe never really felt it, this is it.

Imagine Natalee in your mind and then see the words, premeditated murder, rape, premeditated kidnapping, heavy battery and intention containment of the dead as consequence and you need a f***ing judge in Curacao to tell you what to do?

Get the f*** out of the way.

Do you think someone who absorbs that image and it's consequences, it's kharma is afraid of anyone? Someone who's given their life to raise decent kids, do you think they give a shit about offending someone?

Nobody enjoys this, nobody doesn't want this to end, but it must be dealt with and not left like the millions of half finished things in your life.

Only the truth will bring people together, not flowery platitudes and "proper" speech.

Theres more risk in willing to do anything, to bring balance, justice.

karma:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/freenet/rootdir/menus/sigs/religion/buddhism/introduction/truths/karma2.html

posted by Deetch at 5:57 PM
Arubadirtypolice

While watching some of the shows this evening:
(1) Joran signed documents with his right hand.
(2) Left hand did not look swollen: (a) while declaring his possessions, nor (b) with coffee.

He may have punched a wall, near to the time he banged his head (elevator).

Am I dead wrong here? I was trying to take careful notice.
If I am, no big deal. Joran has given 35 years to debate this with myself.

Yes-it's the same old roller coaster.

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

Looks like the judge has granted a 3 month extension for the Kalpoes to come to LOS ANGELES to give their depositions.  This is actually great in light of the recent events.  It will give the Kalpoes three more months to sweat about it. 


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Somewhere Peaches is rejoicing that justice has come.  What a strong woman, that Peaches.

HE really did a wonderful job.  God bless Natalee.  She really is beautiful, still is.  I know somewhere she is even prettier tonight than she was the last time Beth saw her.

Thank you for sharing a very charming story about your day and your love for Natalee.  You are very special!

"Joran harming our image '
 
With the media coverage of Joran van der Sloot is the image of the Netherlands abroad have not improved. Time for crisis, find image strategist Albert Roele.

"The longer the media attention for Van der Sloot in the United States lasts, the more harmful it is for the image of the Netherlands abroad," said strategist Albert Roele image. Aruba tourism after 2005 saw the U.S. drastically reduced after the Holloway case in the news. "That would, in the Netherlands could happen if this long by nags. A bad image due could have that our country less attractive to tourists. Conservative traders in the U.S. will likely prefer their investment somewhere else. "

News about the Netherlands as "the Sodom and Gomorrah of Europe" was also the hype surrounding Joran already snapped up in conservative circles in the U.S.. Also Geert Wilders, who last year in the American media spoke about an unsafe Netherlands, does not contribute to the image of our country there, find Roele. "In the case Joran is a certain image of the Dutch legal system that not true."

This must be put right through crisis, says the image strategist. "The Netherlands would open diplomatic relations with business to give to reduce damage. The events should be placed in perspective and if mistakes are made, they should be admitted. This process takes time, but ultimately the image may be adjusted again. "

Now the FBI in the case of Van der Sloot appears to be involved, it takes the attention continued even in the serious media in the U.S.. "This story is a cross between a horror and exciting James Bond," says American expert Willem Post. "The news about Joran is irresistible to U.S. media. Any U.S. citizen can identify with the affected parents. "

Post thinks especially of Aruba will suffer more bad publicity. "Americans just do not quickly make the link between Aruba and the Netherlands. They see it as an island rather than half-American half-Dutch. Only whole conservative media like Fox News might be the link between a weak legal system in the Netherlands and the events in South America. "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will now see no reason to go to crisis.

http://blog.spitsnet.nl/2010/06/15/joran-schaadt-ons-imago/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Yeah I felt it here too.  El Centro huh?

OT
This one made a lot of noise,...was really weird. It knocked a bird out of its nest on the deck, poor little thing, it kept flying into the glass. It settled down when I went out there.

Stupid fool gets on TV and advertises to people all over the world because NG is carried in many countries and then he is nitwit enough to make his FB private after his big expose.  That sounds like something his buddy Joran would do.  How stupid!

Since this started (FBI Sting, Stephany's death), I don't think either Beth or Dave have given her an interview. Maybe that's it?

That's neat!!

I felt it too and I am way far away!

Nor John Q Kelly, who once was a regular. I don't think she can go to Aruba either. Who there would talk to her?

She has to bash the FBI to remain relevant with her new audience. She has become a political pundit now.

O/T - I posted over in Musings there have been over 10, maybe 14 small aftershocks too.  That's alot of action.

only 4 miles deep.. that's pretty close to the surface Looks like it is part of that fault that has had it's problems in Baja

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/FaultMaps/116-33.html

O/T
You guys in California just kill me. I'm scared FOR you, even if you all take rumbles casually! It's miserably hot and humid here right now, but I guarentee it will be cool and crisp in the Fall! I volunteer to house any of you and can swear the earth has never rocked as long as I've been planted here! Come on over!

Jug said that the FBI has told Beth not to give any interviews.

its not it's

Tomorrow I take inventory of emergency food. I live in a confined space. No room to store stuff. Have 10 gallons of water but still not enough for weeks.

Sorry O/T

Keep up the Good Works Monkey Family

Thanks but where I live to no evacuation route; sure love to come there though.

Why don`t you ask Joran if we are in crisis mode now?

(evil laugh)

I am crushing his head.

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We`re at DEFCON 1, baby? Where the heck have you been? :)

You can come here, too, to Florida. It's hot and humid but will be cool and crisp in January or so. Of course we have these hurricane thingies. This year the winds may pick up grease balls from the gulf and lob them at our little pastel oceanfront houses. Talk about a mess.

Thank you!

You are a VERY SPECIAL person monkey too. (hugs)

pb

Boy, maybe with all the misspellings and grammar mistakes maybe I am shook up. You two are closer though.

Frank.....I've always believed from the beginning what MN DAD pegged from the start:
PAULASS IS THE PERP!!!

Wonderfully written article Frank.

Nite all. Hope the quakes don't get to you or your power supply.

Good Night Port Valerie

pb

All this money and effort to cover for a teenager, no. It's Paulus, he targeted her, raped her and she died at the VDS house.

Paulus protecting his son was really him using Joran to protect himself.

And that asswipe that is concerned about the Dutch image is so laughable. Cockroaches of the world and soulless the Dutch male. Cowardly pale and inbred.

What, not John Pauly to put his spin on this?

Night Port Valerie! Sleep well!

Frank? I don't think it makes sense for Aruba to spend all that money and effort to protect Paulus either. Actually, in my mind, because Joran is Paulus' son, if Aruba was protecting Joran, they were protecting Paulus as well. JMO.

You think they've done this before?

Remember these gems from the van der sloots?


"Hang him, that's it.""Then we're done"
"That will not give Natalee back."

Anita Van der sloot on CBS Early Show.


"How they acted toward my family and friends is not the normal way a family acts when their daughter is missing." You may be right Joran, because you would be uniquely positioned to know. And your father agreed, no doubt he has his own experience with victims.

"There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off." U.S. Congressman Spencer Bachus.

"Paulus Van der sloot, the father of Joran who was detained yesterday in the case, is being held under suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping."

Complicity to kidnapping suggests Paulus was aware of a crime while Natalee was alive.

Good Evening, Monkeys. 

I am watching the replay of Greta and it's painful at how insensitive she is.  She is totally off base with this FBI thing and it is her way of defending Aruba.  Her comments about this being Beth's money that enabled Joran are just ludicrous!

Joran was fleeing arrest for extortion after being tipped off by the Arubans.

Frank - Here`s how the family of a missing boy acts.


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Rob, thanks for the clarification on Jiario.  You are correct, I have the wrong one.  It  is the one related to Gabe Leo that I have always thought was one of the Shangos.

Aruba has always loved multiple posters.  Bondia was one, CapsLockWizard and IMO Shango, also.

But all totally irrelevant now anyway.

paulass is gone.....urine is in a Peruvian jail and can be off'ed at any time.....
Who orchestrated the coverup? (to protect paulass so he wouldn't out those responsible to all the corruption on aruba sanctioned by the NL and mafia).
Will the master puppeteer remain concealed? Will the bit players be knocked off one by one? 

I think we are at a crossroads and if Natalee is going to be returned to her family, it has to happen soon....
As time goes on, the chances diminish quickly.
 

This screams to me that our govt was somehow involved and was complacent.... Monkey NO NO...

Good night Monkeys

God BLESS!!

JUSTICE for Natalee and Stephany!

pb

Paulus was charged by his friend, Karen, with premeditated murder.

I have always thought there was a poker game at his house that night of bigwigs and that Natalee was brought there for him.

Premeditated... you have to think about it before you do it.

The poster earlier about the after hours party of the elite may have some merit to, though.

IMO Joran has tremendous anger at someone or something.

I hope the FBI visits the man on Nancy Grace and asks him many questions. His 15 of fame may backfire on him.

I hate to say it but he's got that same look Joran gets. 

Greta is really shit stirring!  She makes me ashamed to see her doing this to this family.  First she tries to get them to say something negative about Beth giving Joran that money.  When that doesn't work, she tries to get them to say something about Anita.

Finally she wants them to say they hate Joran!

Greta is really a piece of work these days.

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http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

The poem is in today's edition of Awe Mainta, I added the pictures.

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bibbl,

Hi! IMO the cover up was to protect the elite and the tourism of Aruba.

Just thinking, didn't Chief of Police and Joran's godfather, Van der Straaten want Joran to spend time in a mental hospital and instead Joran/Paulus and powers whatever had him spend time in the jail in Aruba ie: country club.. phone, drugs?

Everyone doing OK in the quake and aftershocks?

She wants the fireworks. It pulls numbers.

(I have really shed light on it for you, huh? not. lol)

paulass didn't do concrete work around the pool and change out furniture just for the heck of it......
Dig up the concrete!! Even today, real forensics in urine's room and the main house could be revealing....

Good night Monkeys and stay safe from the earthquakes.
Justice IS coming!!!!!

From your lips to God's ear and yes, we can see it now!!!

Sleep well, Cajun!

I guess I am hearing what the Flores family says a little differently than some.  Mr. Flores says and his son translates that it is up to the justice system to deal with Joran and they will.  He will do anything he can to help Beth and to help find any information about Natalee they can.

I take that to mean that Joran will only be in the Peruvian system for justice and in that process, something helpful is hoped for Beth as well.  I don't see that as his being willing for Joran to go to Aruba at all.

I am relieved to see this.  Remember also that the Flores attorney is appealing for the Life Sentence.  I am so hopeful they will be successful in this endeavor.

And the Flores did as the BIG QUESTION.  Why didn't ARUBA do the same thing Peru did with the collection of evidence, video tapes, etc. 

Yes, Aruba's failure to collect evidence so they could prosecute is more glaring now than ever.  All one has to do is see what Peru did and compare.

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night cajun!

Early on jan vds did try to get urine into a mental institution...no doubt to deflect a murder 1 charge against urine (jan did see the evidence). But like you say, powers that be wouldn't have that (I think that is when jan was initially removed from the case). jan got back on track...and got back as the head ale.....
All's fine here....we actually enjoy the shaking...as long as no one is hurt.....each shake eases the stress on the Platonic plates...and pushes catastrophe off to another day... :)
Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and cold in the winter, humidity and big bugs in the spring/summer/fall....  That is what scares me!   :)

For whatever it's worth, I think Joran was front and center with what happened to Natalee. JK2 were involved also, but I think Joran murdered her. Maybe Paulus participated, but I always thought that JK2 and Joran would be a little grossed out by including an old geezer like Paulus.

IMO, Paulus was front and center in handling the disposal and he got help from Van der Stratten to do it. Van der Stratten used others in that effort as well. The cover up of what was done had to spread the involvement of other law enforcement persons.

There are more than a few on that island that have the story or pieces of it, IMO.

An Aruba tourism committee or something like that came to Bachus complaining about wire taps or something like that. IMO Paulus/Joran was involved in the dark side money laundering, drugs and maybe trafficking so someone was already listening.

For a time he was a director of contracts on the island. He, then, sure could learn the skeletons in the closet, made some himself and held the deck of cards to take lots of people down. He and Anita have relatives in NL who are into politics too.

If heard on wiretaps et al, not much could be done by those that heard IMO officially with our govt. monitoring the drug traffic there.

To me the cover up got out of control and sucked more in as it rolled along all for tourism. Cronyism, corruption, cover up and elitism.

I am so proud of our Monkeys going to the travel shows in the US where Aruba had an exhibit and carrying signs about Natalee; also the boycott.

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your own forehead! unbelievable.

Tornadoes

Been in one. It destroys and then rains on what is left! Yes, shaking, I hope, makes things easier. Did you notice we have had earthquakes in the Santa Monica bay recently? I don't remember many there before.

Am checking my food supply tomorrow. Both can openers in one place won't help! ((smiles)) Like the cans that don't require one.

Stay as good as you are, Monkeys. Good night.

LOL

Also going to tie my heavy tall grandfather clock, secretary, refridge to the wall tomorrow. Love fishing line.

I'll bet Joran wishes he had one of these now:

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IBE........... please take care!! Sleep well and I hope the ground sleeps as well as you do!!!

Greta has gone off the deep end...seriously.   What part of the crime took place in Aruba & the FBI cannot make the arrest does she not understand?   Aruba would have had to make the initial arrest.   The FBI has clearly stated that they were gathering more & earth to Greta ARUBA let him leave their country.

Greta's questions to this grieving but lovely family looking for who they were angry at were out of line IMHO.  Ive been aggravated with how Greta twisted her reporting after Stephany's murder, as viewed here.   The only person they need to be angry with is Joran & she should stick to the facts of the case instead of snit stirring for ratings...ps they are dropping.   I cannot believe after all the exclusives & trust Beth & the rest of Natalee's family gave to this drab woman that she would even further the idea that anyone should place blame or be upset with Beth, in my view its a huge slap in the face to Beth.   Tonight was the last straw, I was about to readjust her crooked smile thru the screen (insert very irate smily face here)

Yep...Know what you mean....urine is already in the craper...just needs a wipe... :)

From the beginning of Joran being a suspect in the killing of Stephany, Greta has said (and said many times since) that she talked with Beth right away and that Beth was terribly torn up about the Joran possibly using Beth's money to fund himself to Peru and then the killing.
I think it's possible that Greta really talked with Beth at a low moment and Greta realized the complete agony that Beth was going through yet again and that's why Greta is so down on the FBI for allowing Joran to get away....because of the devestation it's caused for the Holloway's.  Now Beth feels like she's partly responsible for a death (of course she's not) and Greta is caught up in it all.

Greta was, I can see, not at her best and frustrating tonight. And yet, she did GO to Peru. That's why she should be at Natalee's funeral, she actually DID something.

And her coldness framed very well the grace and dignity of this family, amazing and Greta captured it. But even a note to Greta as thanks would show we've learned from the Flores family.

When Dave Holloway offered a hand to Paulus van der sloot, the premeditated murdering rapist, and he shivered in cowardice behind curtains while Dave was digging in the garbage dump for his daughter.

I learned from Dave, and I wanted to kill Paulus with my bare hands and yet int the end. Dave, a gentle soul, stood tall.

Let's stay behind Greta. We need to find Natalee.

I'm glad you said this because I have been thinking it myself.  Greta seems to have just lost it lately.  She even asked Sarah Palin if her breasts were enhanced which is totally none of her business and has nothing to do with anything!

She was just determined tonight to pit somebody against somebody else and to what end?  She also said once what a wonderful family the van der Sloots were and she knew because she had spent time with them doing interviews.  Guess she hopes no one remembers or comments on that.

Plus she gave Joran money for the fake Paulus phone tapes herself.  Maybe it was that money Joran used to go to Peru, Greta.

A thought:  IF Beth went to Peru yesterday, could she possibly have met with the Flores family and told them she would be alright with it if Joran spent the rest of his life in prison.  Intriguing that it was only today that we hear that the Flores family is asking for Joran to be sentenced to life in prison.

She's giving Aruba a free pass on their failure to detain Joran for the FBI sting.  Blaming everybody except those who let him escape and likely even tipped him off.

I think her message tonight was that we should not hate Joran as not even the Flores family do.

I will watch her when she covers Natalee's disappearance because I want information but any other time, I won't and don't support her way of handling this.  She looked like a vulture tonight feeding of the Flores' grief.

JMO

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If Beth is going to Peru -- Maybe she hopes to talk to Stephay’s family about Beth’s safe travel speaking tour, and the new center in Washington DC. Perhaps they might consider something like in the future, as a way of honoring and memorializing Stephany.

OR - In one of the early interviews, Mr. Flores talked about a campaign for more parental awareness of their adult children’s schedule, hours, etc. (He expressed feeling “guilty” in that interview.) That would be a good campaign for the family. Beth still would be able to share her experience with a similar endeavor.

Greta – Was truly terrible tonight, an all-time low in pushing an agenda.

Anna,

I love your intensity.

This Greta is a very strange type. she is certainly working a Greta agenda above any other. Note the bizarre Q's. she put to Palin. I expect sensationalism but not that level of contrived cynicism.

Her husband is a major Palin adviser and an OTVII in the COS, she is very high there as well. They have a disturbing above-it-all quality that is jarring. Hard for me to get behind Great 100%. Her humanity does not really come out, not for me. I don't hear it from her. I don't think she expects "correct" response or acts from people so burdened with Thetans.

Hi Hat (liking the sound of that! - I guess we're the late shift.

I think you're right about Greta.

LOL, why thank you, Frank.  I think.  I suppose intensity can be a positive trait.

It's been a wild ride.  Remember when we got banned at RWV and Dan said it was all our fault and people like us because of our hate?  Yeah, right!  We're not the ones who pose a threat to young girls.  And there is no greater hate than killing somebody.

And the difference in the way Peru handled this and Aruba failed to do so is so glaring, they are all exposed now.  It's not only going to hurt, it's going to leave a mark!

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Didn't Aruba recently "welcome" Scientology to the happy island?

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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I tend to believe her. Seriously, we've survived some embarrassing Greta moments but I do like her panel when it comes to Natalee and the time she went with Beth unannounced and walked into the police station in Aruba, only to find, on camera the place was empty.

The shot of the fan and the coffee mug with hot coffee was hysterical and so telling about this whole story. So many cowards.

Yes, that was a good one. I don't know if those people are capable of embarassment, but adding to it, a police station there had been robbed!

Scientology - We have probably covered it here. Apparently the COS has a ship that cruises around the Caraibbean, and it had its 20th anniversary recently. Maybe that's what I was thinking of in my previous post.

I first was on some sort of tourist site for Aruba, then to RWV and remember the banning! I followed you, some others and Dutch Lady to Scaredmonkeys and I have been a happy monkey with all of you!

Anyone, every hear from Dutch Lady? She was good. She asked to have her way paid to Aruba; I know she would have found answers!

It's hard to believe it has been 5 years! Miss Peaches but I think everyone has shown up here lately.

CBB... have a earthquake site you might like over at Musings. Shows the lastes earthquake in each state.

Joran surely researched "murder law" in Peru. He must have used every possible mitigating factor in his confession.

If the murder wasn't premeditated - he would have done the research on his laptop while he was on the lam.

Remember, his hobby was Law.

I wonder if he is the person who signed up at Steph Watts chat room using my nic.

It ain't easy being green

I think she got pretty close to Joran at some point. I also think she displays quite a bit of insensitivity. I guess I don't believe in her motives. Maybe that's not fair, and not necessary that I do anyway.

I do not believe, for instance that  Xenu, a galactic ruler 75 million years ago brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. I do not feel I am at an evolutionary disadvantage for not having spent 300 thou on auditing sessions either.

So although I find some of her investigative work interesting she gives me the creeps sometimes, and I feel her steering the dialogue towards a vague conclusion of some kind, and I don't get it.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Well, tomorrow is another day.  And I suspect a painful one watching Aruba jerk Dave Holloway around.  But we shall see.

At least we now have the comfort that Joran is no longer on "free feet" and is coming to know fear first hand. 

IBE, yes, it has been like a roller coaster over the years but now we have Joran caught six ways to Sunday and in a country where the influence this time will be used against him. 

The reaction of several people involved in this is totally strange including Greta.  Also Anita.

And in the back of my mind, I still think that at some point in time, ALE had Natalee in their possession, her remains I mean.  No matter how many times they changed it afterwards, vd Straaton did say he has seen the evidence she was deceased and not just the files.

Off to the Monkey Bunkey as more will be revealed tomorrow but unfortunately it is more likely to be the corruption of Aruba instead of the location of Natalee.

Night, all.

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I remember I used to say, "paulus is going down"

ha, he is down in hell    NOW   --- right where he belongs





Joran is in a hell hole with a one way ticket to sunburn city to meet his evil master


At one time a few years ago, all that Natalee and her family ever had was hope. that was all there was for a bit of time.

because every single time that things were getting close to coming into the open concerning the corruption and cover-ups,  the RUG was pulled out from underneath everything. it was like the lights got turned off just when you were about to find the key

well, the lights are on now.

you can run and tell all the Angels things are going to be ok now.

texasmom - you are a treasure.

I think Joran's in the right place, for a long time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)

Nov. 19, 2008

“And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.” – Beth Holloway

Good night!

 

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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(that push up bra had it's work cut out for it, lol)

Thank you msmarple!  You are too!

Yes I agree, Joran is in the right place...for a long time. 

Sweet dreams...

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At least there's indications that he doesn't go "commando" like his older brother.

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HT Bastibro

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http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6949818/__Joran_s_advocaat__stopt_er_al_mee__.html?p=20,1

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http://amigoe.com/

Google translation:

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Thanks, Rob.

I prredict that the twit John Ludwig who was on NG and spent time with Joran in Aruba will be selling photos of Joran and an interview to NE. He won't know anything about where Natalee is, but, he will rake in some bucks. A day in the life of Joran, drink, gamble, disrespect women, all the usual behaviours.  Pass out, wake up, same thing the next day.
Glad to see so many in here recently.

ludwick's family must be so proud.

Hey Lifesong, Harold faro ( Bon Dia ) told Bo Dietl after the failed sting ( failed to arrest JVDs ) that Joran went to Peru ( quote ) because there was a poker tournament-

POKER WORLD

Harold Faro, assistant editor of Bon Dia Aruba, confirmed that van der Sloot left Aruba last week, traveling to Colombia, Argentina and Peru, where the Latin American Poker Tour is hosting a tournament.

``He's a poker player,'' Faro said. ``He goes to a lot of poker tournaments, and in Peru they had a big poker tournament.''

Van der Sloot also met Holloway for the first time five years ago while playing poker at a hotel in Aruba.

Blanken, the prosecutor in Aruba, said he hopes Holloway's family will ultimately have some closure.

``It's the biggest case that has drawn more attention than any case in Aruba,'' he said. ``I would like to solve the case of Natalee Holloway so that her family knows what happened.''

The report was supplemented with material from The Associated Press.http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/02/1660850/natalee-holloway-suspect-wanted.html
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 "last week" is not specified by date but surely they have found proof of a flight or some other hard copy of the date, and the tournament did not have a stop in Columbia unless it was for VDS to obtain more money for the buy in.
I think there was a mention in an email JVDs sent to another friend, female, on May 25 where he was begging for money that he said he would return double to her when he got back to Aruba...when she refused he told her another friend was lending him 100 or 200 euros ( John Ludwick ? who he hadn't contacted yet? )and he was getting money from his mother and she ( the friend )should forget about it and go on and be successful in life.
 ( something similar- he was writing her off )

So there are a few different friends that were contacted within the dates where, if he had $10,000 on the 10th, he was down to zero ( he says he is hungry and needs to pay for hotel room ) or close to broke by the 25th.

I also saw in his confession that he said he had a $6.000 gambling debt...do you think it is possible he paid someone off to arrange a quick get away maybe thinking in advance he may be caught?

I see a few Arubans dropped off the planet at that time too, Eric Zandaam ( heart attack) and Vrojlik ( 31, heart attack- not sure if there was a connection to the earlier case - NH ) and did Vroljik work for ATA..travel agency?

Just seeing if there is a possible connection to the ex Police , Vroljik, the dates of death, and Jorans departure.

Selena























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The Passive Personality Principle of International Law
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June 14) -- Joran van der Sloot, the young Dutchman charged in the killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman, could be indicted by U.S. authorities for the murder of Natalee Holloway, a legal expert tells AOL News.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

"One example of that would be the Leon Klinghoffer case," Griffith said.

"The U.S. has secondary jurisdiction over van der Sloot because of the extortion case," Griffith explains. "Because of that, and statements he allegedly made on video, the U.S. now has reasonable cause to believe, I would ascertain, that he's responsible for the Holloway killing."

However, Griffith said van der Sloot's alleged statements, along with his previous confessions in the case, are enough for U.S. authorities to make a circumstantial murder case against him.

"Now is the time for the U.S., which has Department of Justice offices in Peru, to have a three-way meeting with officials there and van der Sloot," Griffith said. "This could be done now. Van der Sloot has already said he knows where [Holloway] is."

"Make the deal right now," Griffith continued. "Tell him, 'We have enough on you circumstantially already, but by the time you get out we'll have a lot more, and you'll never see the light of day again. If you know where the body is, tell us now, and we won't extradite you on a murder charge.'"

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle is yet to be decided. However, Holloway's family is apparently anxious for answers. The Associated Press reported Monday that Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, is in Aruba and plans to meet with prosecutors today to see if they have received any new information about his daughter's disappearance.

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/legal-expert-us-could-charge-joran-van-der-sloot-with-holloways-murder/19515801

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A circumstantial case has long been discussed here.

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I would expect so ;) glad his mother isn't teaching my kids !

CNN has his interview up already but I'm not posting the link, no sense in giving him one ounce more than his 15 minutes of fame I say.

I'm wondering if NG saw this as an opportunity simply to get those emails out there? If so, to see that trail of dates perhaps was worth suffering the fool she had to get them from.

Jumping ahead here, but if Anita is taking a media rep to Peru, do you think it could be one of those Daniel and Kelly Castillo freaks?  You know the "psychics" that have taken over Joran's Facebook page under the moniker "Guided Light?"

 John Ludwick  Thanks fans!!! CNN said I did so well they asked me to come back on thursday to tape a special episode of nancy grace. Not sure if it will air friday, the weekend, or sometime. But I'll give an update when I know the date.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273

Nancy must have a death wish is all I can say..........

A men's clothing store in Amsterdam created this special Joran window.
Complete with handcuffs, bulletproof vest etc.

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LOL