Lively Case Discussion #665 7/25 - 7/26/2007

[blah]

so back to the cement are some still considering maybe Natalee
is under cement or something that belongs to her..

My opinion is, if I were the lead investigator in this case and was looking for clues as to what happened to Natalee, the very first place I would look is under that concrete.  This is by far one of the most suspicious things the Sloots could have done while being suspects in this case.

[greeneyedlady]

Peaches-I want to say you are an inspiration to us all.I admire your spunk and great optimism.I wish you the best in all the things you do.

[shadow]

Afternoon Monkeys!

[snoopy]

Are we trying to establish that the concrete work was done later?  I am confused.

well thats already a proven fact isnt it?

Are you trying to be funny today?  

huh?

You two behave today.  Blah don't make her
get those pencils out.  

BBL  Gotta get some work done.

[Peaches]

Peaches-I want to say you are an inspiration to us all.I admire your spunk and great optimism.I wish you the best in all the things you do.

Thank you, GEL.  I was afraid the other day when I said I expected a miracle that people would think I was really sick or had given up.  Simply not the case.  I'm still in the fight.  Still hoping and praying for miracles for all who need them.  And couldn't we all use a miracle?  I'm sure Beth and Dave could use a miracle right now.

[Lala'sMom]

Yeah!  What Snoopy said...you go dawg!

[Sue]

so back to the cement are some still considering maybe Natalee
is under cement or something that belongs to her..

My opinion is, if I were the lead investigator in this case and was looking for clues as to what happened to Natalee, the very first place I would look is under that concrete.  This is by far one of the most suspicious things the Sloots could have done while being suspects in this case.

Yes but to determine what is new cement and what was prior..
I know for FACT as I have installed a inground pool in my back yard
that once the pool is in ground and the pipes are complete they pack the remainder with sand that they pour a minimum of a 3 foot skirt around the pool as that is what helps hold the pool in the ground they even pour the concrete under the edges of pool 1/2 foot thick or more.. so I would say if there is any evidence it is more then 3 feet away from that Pool

[Lala'sMom]

Well, I guess nobody knows if Joran was really at school or not...I think I will just go somewhere and read for a while.  Geesh!  You guys are a tough crowd.

[shadow]

so back to the cement are some still considering maybe Natalee
is under cement or something that belongs to her..

My opinion is, if I were the lead investigator in this case and was looking for clues as to what happened to Natalee, the very first place I would look is under that concrete.  This is by far one of the most suspicious things the Sloots could have done while being suspects in this case.

Yes but to determine what is new cement and what was prior..
I know for FACT as I have installed a inground pool in my back yard
that once the pool is in ground and the pipes are complete they pack the remainder with sand that they pour a minimum of a 3 foot skirt around the pool as that is what helps hold the pool in the ground they even pour the concrete under the edges of pool 1/2 foot thick or more.. so I would say if there is any evidence it is more then 3 feet away from that Pool

Don't know if this is something that is known or has been discussed, but does anyone know if the pool was completely re-cemented, or was just an area re-covered or what was actually done? Just thinking about possibly blood stains on the concrete. Concrete is porus and I would assume it would be tough to remove a blood stain. Any thoughts?

[blah]

so back to the cement are some still considering maybe Natalee
is under cement or something that belongs to her..

My opinion is, if I were the lead investigator in this case and was looking for clues as to what happened to Natalee, the very first place I would look is under that concrete.  This is by far one of the most suspicious things the Sloots could have done while being suspects in this case.

Yes but to determine what is new cement and what was prior..
I know for FACT as I have installed a inground pool in my back yard
that once the pool is in ground and the pipes are complete they pack the remainder with sand that they pour a minimum of a 3 foot skirt around the pool as that is what helps hold the pool in the ground they even pour the concrete under the edges of pool 1/2 foot thick or more.. so I would say if there is any evidence it is more then 3 feet away from that Pool

I believe the concrete in question is a sort of walkway or patio near or next to the pool.  It is not some part of the pool or support structure for the pool.  At any rate, If I was lead investigator, the whole damn patio, pool, backyard and driveway would be torn out.  I would leave no stone unturned on that property.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Peaches-I want to say you are an inspiration to us all.I admire your spunk and great optimism.I wish you the best in all the things you do.

Thank you, GEL.  I was afraid the other day when I said I expected a miracle that people would think I was really sick or had given up.  Simply not the case.  I'm still in the fight.  Still hoping and praying for miracles for all who need them.  And couldn't we all use a miracle?  I'm sure Beth and Dave could use a miracle right now.

Peaches,

I want you to know that I got what you were saying and thought exactly that...we can all use a miracle...yes, indeed.   I put your quote immediately in my sig line.  It works for you, it works for me and it works for what we all hope for in this case.  If they bottled your strength, I'd be first in line to get some.

[blah]

Well, I guess nobody knows if Joran was really at school or not...I think I will just go somewhere and read for a while.  Geesh!  You guys are a tough crowd.

I dont know if Joran was in school or not, but I have doubts that he was.  And no, i'm not trying to be funny.

[Anna]

Well, I guess nobody knows if Joran was really at school or not...I think I will just go somewhere and read for a while.  Geesh!  You guys are a tough crowd.

I guess not.  All we had were a couple of posters from Aruba who claimed to be classmates of Joran and also claimed to have thrown paperwads at him as he was sleeping on the floor in classrooms.

Who knows, really?  

Same as with everything about this so-called investigation.

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[Sue]

so back to the cement are some still considering maybe Natalee
is under cement or something that belongs to her..

My opinion is, if I were the lead investigator in this case and was looking for clues as to what happened to Natalee, the very first place I would look is under that concrete.  This is by far one of the most suspicious things the Sloots could have done while being suspects in this case.

Yes but to determine what is new cement and what was prior..
I know for FACT as I have installed a inground pool in my back yard
that once the pool is in ground and the pipes are complete they pack the remainder with sand that they pour a minimum of a 3 foot skirt around the pool as that is what helps hold the pool in the ground they even pour the concrete under the edges of pool 1/2 foot thick or more.. so I would say if there is any evidence it is more then 3 feet away from that Pool

I believe the concrete in question is a sort of walkway or patio near or next to the pool.  It is not some part of the pool or support structure for the pool.  At any rate, If I was lead investigator, the whole damn patio, pool, backyard and driveway would be torn out.  I would leave no stone unturned on that property.

well my guess would be that anything there would not be close to the pool.. I woul dlike to know where they got the money for that cement..  when we had ours install 3 foot skirt came with price of pool as you have to have it we paid extra for a additional 3 foot on one side full length of pool and it was over 500 bucks for the extra.. so I cant even fathom how much it would cost to cement a WHOLE back yard

[Anna]

Well, I guess nobody knows if Joran was really at school or not...I think I will just go somewhere and read for a while.  Geesh!  You guys are a tough crowd.

I dont know if Joran was in school or not, but I have doubts that he was.  And no, i'm not trying to be funny.

Could be.  That's why I don't discuss the timeline Gran Toad and I did before.  But logic would dictate that Joran was in fact at school on Monday at least for some portion of the day.  He couldn't have told the hit head on rock story and dropped off at HI story at the same time unless he was claiming to have dropped off a corpse.  Wouldn't make sense at all.

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[Observer]

LOL!! These Monkeys are a tough crowd

Remember Joran was up extremely late on Monday night as well...What time did he get to bed on that night? The next day could also be the day he was sleeping at school.

[Peaches]

I would have dug around the out buildings.  Isn't there a dog house like structure close to the sporter's room?  

First choice would be Ground Penetrating Radar.  Run that bad boy all over the house, the yard, the neighborhood, all of it.  Then jackhammer accordingly.

I wonder if the Sloots have a storage unit?  Wouldn't that be something?  I'd like to sift thru their crap for an afternoon... never know what one might discover.

Hopefully, more than just a box of Anita's old big panties.

[msmarple]

Well, I guess nobody knows if Joran was really at school or not...I think I will just go somewhere and read for a while.  Geesh!  You guys are a tough crowd.

I can only reiterate that Beth & Dave said that he was NOT at school on Monday. I am not certain how they know that, other than their own questioning of the kids and staff at the school.

[tcumom]

I was afraid the other day when I said I expected a miracle that people would think I was really sick or had given up.  Simply not the case.  I'm still in the fight.  Still hoping and praying for miracles for all who need them.  And couldn't we all use a miracle?  I'm sure Beth and Dave could use a miracle right now.

Peaches ~ you are such a source of inspiration, and what admiration I have for you.  I knew you hadn't given up.....that's not your style.  Sending you prayers, love, and many hugs.  

[blah]

Well, I guess nobody knows if Joran was really at school or not...I think I will just go somewhere and read for a while.  Geesh!  You guys are a tough crowd.

I dont know if Joran was in school or not, but I have doubts that he was.  And no, i'm not trying to be funny.

Could be.  That's why I don't discuss the timeline Gran Toad and I did before.  But logic would dictate that Joran was in fact at school on Monday at least for some portion of the day.  He couldn't have told the hit head on rock story and dropped off at HI story at the same time unless he was claiming to have dropped off a corpse.  Wouldn't make sense at all.

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If he was at school, i think he would have gotten there late.  The reason I dont think he was there (at least not in the morning) is because of the way Paulus sort of danced around the question of Joran going to school.