Natalee Case Discussion #747 4/11 - 4/17/08

[Observer]

Old Kimberly Guilfoyle interview with Peter De Vries and Jossy Mansur..Informative video as Peter R talks about Antonio Carlo's admissions of Joran playing a major role in Natalee's dissapearance and confessing to the Chief Prosecuter just two weeks after NH dissapeared. Jossy talks also about taping Gerald Dompig. Jossy says he tapes people that he doesnt trust and quotes Dompig saying they have a penal code that they would get 8 years in prison for molesting/assasulting Natalee as she was in and out of consciousness. They fingered her and did many other things to her.  The video cuts out when he says you are not talking about Joran alone..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAyyX1UF1Gc

[Observer]

I see Johan is working awfully hard in the Dutch part of our forum..Please stop by and check out his posts when you can..For his dutch posts use the google translator  He posted a couple things I have never seen before in Dutch and also this post that I havent read in a long time..

on a Aruba forum :

Posted on: 7:01 am, June 06, 2005 Save
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.380

[klaasend]

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[Dayhiker]

I see Johan is working awfully hard in the Dutch part of our forum..Please stop by and check out his posts when you can..For his dutch posts use the google translator  He posted a couple things I have never seen before in Dutch and also this post that I havent read in a long time..

on a Aruba forum :

Posted on: 7:01 am, June 06, 2005 Save
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.380

Very! Thanks for the heads up ******* and to Johan for the interesting material.

[Observer]

Dayhhiker I just read your posts from earlier..You rock!!!

YW..Johan works very hard and is well respected on the Dutch board and I appreciate his efforts!!

[Observer]

Actually Dayhiker that post you pointed out by Johan is very interesting!!

(Translated)
JACOB WIT AND HIS FRIEND PAUL VD CONCLUDED


The most remarkable and dubious role in the whole issue plays
Not wwith the son Joran, but father Paul van der Sloot. After graduating rights
In Tilburg he works for a time as a lawyer in the Netherlands for citizens
In their opposition to the government, but soon after
Acquainted with his future wife leaves him to Aruba. He
Remain friends in the Netherlands, including Judge Robert Jacob
Wit. From 2003 he was deputy justice for the Antillean Court
Justice and the end of 2005, he judge in training, but then
He lawyer. During that time he learns the justice
System, and especially the personal networks continue to improve. It
Is a small world on Aruba and everybody knows everybody. If necessary
We know each other is to be found in the bar or casino.

Therefore, Paul van der Sloot Police also Jan van der Straten
Know and they are close friends. Possibly that Paul regularly via Jan
The coal from the fire picks for young man when he once again what girls
Has picked up, too much money has vergokt or something has too much marijuana
. 'We know our' and as Joran in the broadcast of Peter R. The
Vries known, "I 'have something on them'."
Very quickly, Jan van der Straten as research on the matter
Holloway put. Hoofdofficier of Justice Karin Janssen: "There is vast
Come to that already a few days after the disappearance of the father
Boy speaks of the fact that there is no case without a corpse would. "
Justice Minister Rudy Croes confirms this almost immediately and
Also that there are 'many suspicious telephone calls between Paul van der Sloot
And Jan van der Straten went back and forth during the early stages of the
Research. Van der Straten ensures that Paul van der Sloot all
Police and FBI investigations and blocks will in no way
Access for Van der Sloot to the digital scholars in the
Judicial computers. Meanwhile advises his son to palief
Silence and nothing to say. On the day that the search for a welded
Of the home of Joran and the parents, does Judge-friend
Jacob Wit and gets the door open for one another in the search
Parental home, and later to silent amazement
Frustration of the PPS.

The court commissioner (that is now Jacob WIT), which deals with the matter Holloway refuses Van der
Sloot now for a third time to arrest, while there are so many new
Proof lies. The same person (Jacob White) refused then the whole house
Paul van der Sloot to investigate.

[Dayhiker]

Dayhhiker I just read your posts from earlier..You rock!!!

YW..Johan works very hard and is well respected on the Dutch board and I appreciate his efforts!!

Backatcha friend! Monkeys will get a kick out of reading that thread. People were sniffing out the corruption  as early as June 3rd on those posts. Too bad the corrupt Aruban leaders who were spearheading the corruption didn't read those comments or they may have reconsidered.

Truth is, *******, they did a very amatuerish job of covering up Natalee's case and that is a key reason why there has been so much public outrage and widespread media coverage. They really were stupid. It is all too obvious and was from the very beginning as those comments Johan posted demonstrate.

[Destiny]

Klaas...You got mail

[Destiny]

Dayhhiker I just read your posts from earlier..You rock!!!

YW..Johan works very hard and is well respected on the Dutch board and I appreciate his efforts!!

I agree!

[Observer]

Same thing as always in tomorrows Awemainta..Drug Busts,Car accidents,Corruption and Rob Smith/ATA/AHATA meeting and discussing there precious tourism.

Front Page

[Destiny]

Same thing as always in tomorrows Awemainta..Drug Busts,Car accidents,Corruption and Rob Smith/ATA/AHATA meeting and discussing there precious tourism.

Front Page

Damn their precious tourism...who wants to vacation in hell!

[Destiny]

Klaas...more mail....TYA...

[Destiny]

O/T   *My* warm fuzzy for the day...



RED MARBLES

I was at the corner grocery store buying some
early potatoes. I noticed a small boy, delicate of bone and feature,
ragged but clean,hungrily apprising a basket of freshly picked green
peas.

I paid for my potatoes but was also drawn to the
display of fresh green peas. I am a pushover for creamed peas and new
potatoes.
Pondering the peas, I couldn't help overhearing
the conversation between Mr. Miller (the store owner) and the ragged boy
next to me.

'Hello Barry, how are you today?'

'H'lo, Mr. Miller. Fine, thank ya. Jus' admirin'
them peas. They sure look good.'

'Th ey are good, Barry. How's your Ma?'

'Fine. Gittin' stronger alla' time.'

'Good. Anything I can help you with?'

'No, Sir. Ju s' admirin' them peas.'

'Would you like to take some home?' asked Mr.
Miller.

'No, Sir. Got nuthin' to pay for 'em with.'

'Well, what have you to trade me for some of
those peas?'

'All I got's my prize marble here.'

'Is that right? Let me see it' said Miller.

'Here 'tis. She's a dandy.'

'I can see that. Hmmmmm, only thing is this one
is blue and I sort of go for red. Do you have a red one like this at
home?' the store owner asked.

'Not zackley but almost..'

'Tell you what. Take this sack of peas home with
you and next trip this way let me look at that red marble'. Mr. Miller
told the boy.

'Sure will. Thanks Mr. Miller.'

Mrs. Miller, who had been standing nearby, came
over to help me. With a smile she said, 'There are two other boys like
him in our community, all three are in very poor circumstances. Jim just
loves
to bargain with them for peas, apples, tomatoes,
or whatever. When they come back with their red marbles, and they always
do, he decides he doesn't like red after all and he sends them home with
a bag of produce for a green marble or an orange one, when they come on
their next trip to the store.'

I left the store smiling to myself, impressed
with this man. A short time later I moved to Colorado , but I never
forgot the story of this man, the boys, and their bartering for marbles.


Several years went by, each more rapid than the
previous one. Just recently I had occasion to visit some old friends in
that Idaho community and while I was there learned that Mr. Miller had
died.


< BR>They were having his visitation that
evening and knowing my friends wanted to go, I agreed to accompany them.
Upon arrival at the mortuary we fell into line to meet the relatives of
the deceased and to offer whatever words of comfort we could.

Ahead of us in line were three young men. One
was in an army uniform and the other two wore nice haircuts, dark suits
and white shirts...all very professional looking. They approached Mrs.
Miller, standing composed and smiling by her husband's casket. Each of
the young men hugged her, kissed her on the cheek, spoke briefly with
her and moved on to the casket.

Her misty light blue eyes followed them as, one
by one, each young man stopped briefly and placed his own warm hand over
the cold pale hand in the casket. Each left the mortuary awkwardly, w
iping his eyes.

Our turn came to meet Mrs. Miller. I told her
who I was and reminded her of the story from those many years ago and
what she had told me about her husband's bartering for marbles. With her
eyes glistening, she took my hand and led me to the casket ..

'Those three young men who just left were the
boys I told you about They just told me how they appreciated the things
Jim 'traded' them. Now, at last, when Jim could not change his mind
about color or size....they came to pay their debt.'

'We've never had a great deal of the wealth of
this world,' she confided, 'but right now, Jim would consider himself
the richest man
in Idaho '

With loving gentleness she lifted the lifeless
fingers of her
deceased husband. Resting underneath were three
exquisitely shined red marbles.

The Moral : We will not be remembered by our
words, but by our kind deeds. Life is not measured  by the breaths we
take, but by the moments that take our breath..

Today I wish you a day of ordinary miracles ~ A
fresh pot of coffee you didn't make yourself...An unexpected phone call
from an old
friend...Green stoplights on your way to
work...The fastest line at the grocery store...A good sing-alon g song
on the radio...Your keys found right where you left them.

Send this to the people you'll never forget. I
just Did...

If you don't send it to anyone, it means you are
in way too much of a hurry to even notice the ordinary miracles when
they occur.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU GATHER, BUT WHAT YOU SCATTER
THAT TELLS WHAT KIND OF LIFE YOU HAVE LIVED

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you Destiny

Food for thought.

Janet

[hotping]

Thanks Destiny....That was Good Reading.....

[Destiny]

something in the back of my mind for a little while now.

I am guessing that whatever was in that trap is unrelated to Natalee. I just find it hard to believe that 4 months have about gone by and there has been no indication what kind of DNA was discovered. I also find it hard to believe that someone would intentionally keep it quiet and with-hold the info from the interested parties in hopes of continuing the "investigation". In my small mind, if it was related to Natalee, everyone would most likely know by now.

I would like to know what was truly found, but am a realist and doubt we will ever know.

And all that said, I guess we may have to wait until whatever ship is dispatched next to see if Natalee will be found.

heartbreaking

Didn't Private Eye indicate that ALE was in possession of all that was in that cage? 

My sources say NO...

It was Kyle ... not Private Eye.

Janet

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Oceanexploration
Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -  on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM   

The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site.  This was 12 and 13 days later.  Coincidence perhaps? 

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare. We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857#msg366857

TY Janet.....You always seem to have everything at your fingertips....Bless You...and us for having you...

[Observer]

Thanks destiny!

The Moral : We will not be remembered by our
words, but by our kind deeds. Life is not measured  by the breaths we
take, but by the moments that take our breath..

Today I wish you a day of ordinary miracles ~ A
fresh pot of coffee you didn't make yourself...An unexpected phone call
from an old
friend...Green stoplights on your way to
work...The fastest line at the grocery store...A good sing-alon g song
on the radio...Your keys found right where you left them.
Peaches having successfull surgery and Natalee finally having something go her way

[Destiny]

Thanks destiny!

The Moral : We will not be remembered by our
words, but by our kind deeds. Life is not measured  by the breaths we
take, but by the moments that take our breath..

Today I wish you a day of ordinary miracles ~ A
fresh pot of coffee you didn't make yourself...An unexpected phone call
from an old
friend...Green stoplights on your way to
work...The fastest line at the grocery store...A good sing-alon g song
on the radio...Your keys found right where you left them.
Peaches having successfull surgery and Natalee finally having something go her way

I had our Peaches in mind...when I posted that....Peaches...a white candle still burning for you.....

[hotping]

Thanks destiny!

The Moral : We will not be remembered by our
words, but by our kind deeds. Life is not measured  by the breaths we
take, but by the moments that take our breath..

Today I wish you a day of ordinary miracles ~ A
fresh pot of coffee you didn't make yourself...An unexpected phone call
from an old
friend...Green stoplights on your way to
work...The fastest line at the grocery store...A good sing-alon g song
on the radio...Your keys found right where you left them.
Peaches having successfull surgery and Natalee finally having something go her way

I had our Peaches in mind...when I posted that....Peaches...a white candle still burning for you.....

Amen! God Bless You Peaches You are In My thoughts and Prayers Also!

[Destiny]

Thanks destiny!

The Moral : We will not be remembered by our
words, but by our kind deeds. Life is not measured  by the breaths we
take, but by the moments that take our breath..

Today I wish you a day of ordinary miracles ~ A
fresh pot of coffee you didn't make yourself...An unexpected phone call
from an old
friend...Green stoplights on your way to
work...The fastest line at the grocery store...A good sing-alon g song
on the radio...Your keys found right where you left them.
Peaches having successfull surgery and Natalee finally having something go her way

I had our Peaches in mind...when I posted that....Peaches...a white candle still burning for you.....

Amen! God Bless You Peaches You are In My thoughts and Prayers Also!

Hotping....I can *feel* your love from here...imagine what Peaches feels....Bless You too....what a Family *we* are...