Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Blonde]

Joran's book:

Book about Tuesday afternoon:

It is allready 4 pm in the afternoon when I sign my witness statement, and my father and I leave the interrogation room.
On the way out I see Deepak sitting in the waitingroom. I greet him and ask him to call me when he is finished. My head is spinning. I gave a false statement to the police. I never thought that I would have to go to the police.
We are walking out of the building and I hope that Deepak and Satish will tell the same story. I am getting all nervous from the idea that maybe truly something has happened to Natalee. But I have the feeling the police did believe us (us?).
They have no reason not to believe us. I tell my father that I am hungry and we go to eat something at Taco Bell in Noord. After we have eaten we directly go home.
Arrived home I am sitting on my bed thinking, all sort of things are going through my mind. Ik am very scared because we have lied, but I have the feeling that I cannpot go back anymore.

So, where is it??

Because it was torn up This is a page from Beth's book

[Blonde]

[klaasend]

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[Rob]

This ain't going away.

[Tylergal]

I have been watching History channel this morning about drugs, their origins and how they go from Nigeria to the Latin Americas, arrive in Europe, Americas, from Thailand (Bangkok) to Luxembourg, to the USA, via children's books and next segment is about XTC and how it is spiraling out of control.  Grab your remote before it is too late.  After January 2009, we may not be able to watch any opposing views.

[Rob]

This ain't going away.

[Rob]

[Lala'sMom]

Morning Monkeys...would someone please answer Anidac's question about the Kalpoes talking?  Was that reported on a Dutch site?  What do we know about it?

[klaasend]

The lastest from Natalee's Freebirds:


What Does Freddie Know?

Several references have been made by suspects in the disappearance of
Natalee Holloway about the knowledge of another suspect - Freddie Alexander Arambatzis.

There have been references made regarding Freddie about Joran's shoes,
Natalee remaining "passed out", a camera, and Freddie knowing "the truth".


Diario 12/6/2006
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/6/

...the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May
told Freddy the story about the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy
also that “they” went into panic when Natalee remained “passed out”!



Statement
Freddy Zedan
June 12th 2005

The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.

He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.


Freddie was brought to the van der Sloot home after he spoke with
Aruban authorities in the early days of this investigation.
He was grilled by Joran's parents as to what he told police regarding their son, and Natalee Holloway.

Freddie states that Joran told him they had left Natalee at the beach, while at the same time Joran was still telling authorities he and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had left Natalee at the Holiday Inn


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 18, 2005

“I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police.
He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. After that he came back one time and and he spoke with Joran's lawyer, his parents, me and my wife were also present. My wife and myself were very crushed/saddened/injured and angry at Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran about this. According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was saying. Only at
the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning. My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddy's statements. That night we were going to have a meeting with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer. I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible


JORAN'S BOOK
Page 154, Freddy after his June 12 statement:

(Joran) That night Freddy, per request of my mother, visited, to tell
everything.

Freddy's parents are coming along, because they do not find it a good idea that Freddy goes alone. Besides my father Paul and my mother Anita.
My lawyer Anthony Carlo is also present at our home per request of my mother.

My mother asks Freddy to tell everything again.

Freddy: I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes.

I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran.

Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as in amazed).

Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes behind.

Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably left them behind because of that.

Freddy tells the beach story again that I would have told him on Monday May 30.

Carlo in between asks questions all the time.

Freddy: I felt he asked me those things because he thought that me as a good friend of Joran could understand why he had done these things. I do not believe he asked those questions because he thought Joran would have told me, because he repeated every time: Why do you think that?

My father does not ask Freddy anything, but he does react on Freddy's answers to my mother. He says: why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us that? My mother had promised the conversation would last 10 minutes max, but after half an hour Freddy's father gets up.

My parents did not agree with Joran's parents having invited me, Freddy says.

After Carlo had called the head officer for permission to visit me, he confronts me with what Freddy had said. I immediately admitted I had lied and that Freddy was telling the truth.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sneakers/sport shoes that night. If you search/investigate his home then you will see that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he had theft them on the beach.
To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else,
than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy,
I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the
truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 30, 2005

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005

On your question who Joran's best friend is:
Freddy Zedan is Joran’s best friend. Freddy knew about the invented Holiday Inn and the tale which my brother and I and Joran told and that the missing girl was dropped off at the beach at the Marriott. My brother Deepak had told me that he and Joran invented the tale but to Freddy the beach tale was told. I thought that stunk, because I was not aware Freddy was told the beach tale. (note: tale does not necessarily mean lie, could mean story).

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing.

...the second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja. I do not remember his house number. We had bought food and we then we went to Joran’s apartment afterwards. According to me Freddy
was informed then already about the missing girl. We may have spoken some about the missing girl, it is possible but I don’t remember.

You ask me if I was scared when we were talking with Freddy about the missing girl. It is possible that I don’t remember. I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.


Wednesday June 22, 2005
While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows


Deepak and Satish are being questioned in Orangestad at the same time and are transported back to KIA along with Joran in a minivan. The following conversation is recorded:


Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, f*** you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your
father. You know it. That he wasn't arrested.


Freddie himself was detained by authorities in this case - and then subsequently released. .

Diana Emerencia - Freddy's attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

*Did Freddie have involvement in Natalee's disappearance?

* What "truth" does Freddie know that could shed light on the circumstances surrounding this tragic crime?

* Why did the Kalpoe brothers need to give a camera to Freddy?

* What sort of history regarding similar crimes do Freddie and Joran share?

* Why did Paulus and Anita need to find out what Freddy told police?

* Has Freddie told Aruban authorities all he knows about what happened to Natalee Holloway?
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com

[MumInOhio]

*******, what is the significance of those pics? I can't follow the text description.

Was on a dutch forum, about the Marriot...btw: good the kalpoe's are talking!!!

WHAT!!!  I must have missed something.  Can someone please file me in on the two talking K's? Please?

Lala's....I read quickly this morning and last night and this is all I can recall seeing.

I am not sure now what the pics where about....sorry

I'm pretty sure though if there was more about the Kalpoes talking I would have remembered.

Tamikosmom...Freddy knows!

[Tamikosmom]

Heli from RU

GRETA Feb 20, 2008 / John Q Kelly TRANSCRIPT

Greta van Susteren
On The Record
February 20, 2008

Greta:

Beth is set to sue Joran van der Sloot in Holland. That's what Dutch newspapers are saying. Is it true?

And the Aruban Chief Prosecutor now wants to question Patrick van der Eem, the man who secretly taped Joran van der Sloot talking about Natalee's death. Van der Eem says he has nothing to hide and the prosecutor just has to call him.

Joining us livein New York is John Q. Kelly, the lawyer for Natalee's parents.

John, what's the story on this civil suit in Holland? We've gotten lots of calls on it.

John:

I've seen a couple of articles on it too Greta. The lawyer that's been quoted is not someone Beth ever contacted, it's not someone she's ever spoken to nor have I, but you know I guess it's someone who's willing to put forth some suggestions and we'll always listen to those

Greta:

If what I understand from the news articles to be correct, he intends to sue him in Holland, is that right?

John:

There's been no discussion of that Greta, this is not some lawyer that Beth

Greta:

So is he making it up?

John:

I think it's just someone who offered to come forward and make suggestions, offer some help if we wanted it you know, and that's fine Greta but yeah, it's not accurate.

Greta:

Does this come through Peter de Vries, the Dutch television guy at all?

John: Greta, it hasn't come from Beth and it hasn't come from myself, we'll just leave it at that

Greta:

That's a dodge if I ever heard one

John:

I spend my whole life dodging you Greta

Greta:

I'm not that stupid

John:

I spend my whole life dodging you, Greta since I got involved in this case, right from the start I've looked for civil remedies. Obviously, not that's any secret to me.

Beth and Dave are very comfortable with the lawyer they have, very confident in that, you know, we know the civil remedies available to Aruba. We were hoping the criminal case would result in a prosecution and that's what we're still looking for.

Greta:

Alright, let's talk about Aruba. What is going on there with Patrick, the guy who taped Joran? He's now in Aruba vacationing and talking to someone about a book?

John:

I think there've been a lot of discussions about books, you know after the show came out but you know, he's more than willing to talk to the prosecution. The prosecution should talk to him. I actually had a very long talk with Hans Mos today, probably a half hour or more, going over things.

I mean, it's no secret I'm not happy with what's going on down there, I'm not happy with what's going on right now down there and I'd like to see something done. I think they have a strong circumstantial case right now against Joran and I wish they'd pull the trigger on him (it?), I wish they'd act.

Greta:

This is what's kind of silly, you say Hans wants to talk to him, Patrick wants to talk to Hans, the prosecutor. Why don't they just do it? I mean, this has been going on for like, just do it. You tell me they both want to talk to each other, the taper wants to talk to the prosecutor and the prosecutor wants to talk to the taper but it hasn't happened.

John:

It hasn't happened yet, I assume it will happen

Greta:

Is Hans Mos back from his vacation in Holland?

John:

They're on their own watch down there Greta, they move at their own pace and as I said it gets me agitated just talking about it, but looking at what they have right now you've got a young man who walks into a bar, he pays for a drink, he handles it himself, he hands it to Natalee, she drinks it, she leaves with him, you know as soon as she gets in the car, she's incoherent, she's lapsing in and out of consciousness, he's the last one with her alive and he makes up at least 3 different stories in terms of what happened to her and he refuses to co-operate and she's never heard from again. I mean it's not really hard to figure out.

Greta:

And the thing that's got me is he must have told the police the first time he spoke to them, because why would they have asked Jug about she shaking and the epilepsy type seizure or something. I think to myself, what are the aruban police up to but that's for another day

John:

Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta: May 31, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9

Greta:

Something's funny, I wish, something's not quite right, I wish the State Department would get a little busy on this one. John I gotta go but we'll do a lot more on this, thank you.

Thank you Dihannah.

For those who may have miss *******'s post that provides the link to the Youtube video of the Greta/Kelly interview of February 20, 2008 ....

Janet

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John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4

[Dayhiker]

Nobody watching Greta?   She's been interviewing JQK who spoke with MOS today.   Greta wants to see our State Department involved.  She mentioned how the cops new something from the beginning from what they asked Jug about the seizures.  I hope Carpe get's the video, which I'm sure.   JQK,  is extremely frustrated and says they have enough circumstantial evidence and Natalee has NOT hired a civil attorney in NL, at least yet.  He said that news did not come from him, Dave or Beth....

I watched it Dihannah, was very good. JQK reveals there are not statements of Joran's in the police files until June 9th. Kalpoes and everybody else are in there.

June 9th is four days after the guards were arrested and Joran is on the record for helping dream up the Holiday Inn story with Deepak, so where the hell is Joran's Holiday Inn statement?

Where is the statement where Joran said he walked home?

Where is the statement where Joran said K2 dropped him off at his house and drove off with Natalee?

Where is the statement Paulus said he helped edit with Van der Straten?

More important where is the satatement where Joran mentioned Natalee had a seizure that caused the police to ask her family if she was an epileptic or prone to seizures?


THE CORRUPTION IS COMING OUT. NO SMALL WONDER RUDY AND NELSON ARE SO QUIET.

No worries...right...They will add his statements to the file.
Unfortunately, they will not be his.

CLASSIC CATCH 22 FOR THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT:

1- IF ALL JORAN'S STATEMENTS ARE MISSING THROUGH JUNE 9TH IT PROVES CORRUPTION.

2- IF THEY PRODUCE JORAN'S STATEMENTS HIS "SEIZURE" COMMENTS IT PROVES CORRUPTION.

ARUBA HAS BEEN NAILED FOR CORRUPTION!!!

[Dayhiker]

Glad to see they have a contingency plan to deal with corruption, to bad to this point nobody has the guts to do anything about it. Make no mistake, this is a Dutch problem and unless they step in the BS will continue.

DUTCH TIME TO WAKE THE F UP

They are caught red-handed now, Bladerunner. Hans Mos has his back to the wall. He and Dop Kruimel eiher address the corruption of they are part of the cover-up!

More is coming. Count on it.

[Dayhiker]

This ain't going away.

Great chart Rob! Hell no it ain't going away, it is now a runaway train. The Dutch and Arubans are in a conundrum. They can't ignore the corruption, it has to be part of the investigation. 

[Tamikosmom]

Morning Monkeys...would someone please answer Anidac's question about the Kalpoes talking?  Was that reported on a Dutch site?  What do we know about it?

Lala'sMom ... maybe none of the other Monkeys have heard anything.

If these guys have decided to reveal the truth ... I wish they would talk to the FBI or Natalee's family first.

Statements that implicate Joran and Paulus have be known to go "poof" in the past.  Think about it ... Mickey John ... the gardener ... the June 10, 2005 confession ...

Janet

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Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN:.......He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Spokesperson for the Aruban Minister of Justice
FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html

[blah]

Morning Monkeys...would someone please answer Anidac's question about the Kalpoes talking?  Was that reported on a Dutch site?  What do we know about it?

Lala'sMom ... maybe none of the other Monkeys have heard anything.

If these guys have decided to reveal the truth ... I wish they would talk to the FBI or Natalee's family first.

Statements that implicate Joran and Paulus have be known to go "poof" in the past.  Think about it ... Mickey John ... the gardener ... the June 10, 2005 confession ...

Janet

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Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN:.......He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Spokesperson for the Aruban Minister of Justice
FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html

You are like a human database, I have never seen anyone produce all the facts in every post they make the way you do.  Amazing!


 

[martini]

The Aruban Constitution, in the event of a person's being deprived of his liberty, it is essential to adhere to the procedural rules that have been imposed or authorized by Parliament. Powers to deprive individuals of their liberty must be laid down by law. Furthermore, a person may only be deprived of his liberty in the cases listed exhaustively in article I.5 of the Constitution, i.e. in cases of:

(a) Lawful detention after conviction by a competent court;

(b) Lawful arrest or detention for non-compliance with the lawful order of a court or to secure the fulfilment of any express obligation prescribed by law;

(c) Lawful arrest or detention of a person effected for the purposes of bringing him before the competent legal authority when there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that he has committed an offence, or when there are reasonable grounds for considering it necessary to prevent him:

(i) Committing an offence;
 
(ii) Fleeing after having committed an offence;

(iii) Jeopardizing a criminal investigation;

[Bladerunner]

Glad to see they have a contingency plan to deal with corruption, to bad to this point nobody has the guts to do anything about it. Make no mistake, this is a Dutch problem and unless they step in the BS will continue.

DUTCH TIME TO WAKE THE F UP

They are caught red-handed now, Bladerunner. Hans Mos has his back to the wall. He and Dop Kruimel eiher address the corruption of they are part of the cover-up!

More is coming. Count on it.

You're being too generous. Mos is already part of it. He had to of known about the cover-up from the day he was assigned the case. You don't need to be a trained legal professional--and I reserve that word for those that ARE professionals--to see what occured. Officials at the Sloot house blocking a search of the property, missing statements, retracted confessions from the prime suspects, the timeline of the framing of the security guards, Paulus not getting his money, the aruba bay videos, "something bad happened" statement by Dompig, heavy battery charges, the blatant misinformation campaign, the seizure questions, Joran's use of the word "POWERS" on the confession tape, and on, and on, and on, and on!

THE COVER-UP IS OBVIOUS TO THE ENTIRE WORLD ARUBA AND YOUR DAY OF RECKONING IS COMING

[Tamikosmom]

Rudy Croes ... your "emphatic denial" may come back to haunt you.

Janet

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Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


Rudy Croes
ASSOCIATED PRESS
June 12, 2005

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.
http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm

[Tamikosmom]

The Aruban Constitution, in the event of a person's being deprived of his liberty, it is essential to adhere to the procedural rules that have been imposed or authorized by Parliament. Powers to deprive individuals of their liberty must be laid down by law. Furthermore, a person may only be deprived of his liberty in the cases listed exhaustively in article I.5 of the Constitution, i.e. in cases of:

(a) Lawful detention after conviction by a competent court;

(b) Lawful arrest or detention for non-compliance with the lawful order of a court or to secure the fulfilment of any express obligation prescribed by law;

(c) Lawful arrest or detention of a person effected for the purposes of bringing him before the competent legal authority when there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that he has committed an offence, or when there are reasonable grounds for considering it necessary to prevent him:

(i) Committing an offence;
 
(ii) Fleeing after having committed an offence;

(iii) Jeopardizing a criminal investigation;

Thank you martini.

Janet