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Lalas

If you're still here, do you feel today more that Deutekom could be dirtyhand? Not that I'm doubting Caps' word, but I know there were some issues with Deutekom fitting into Shango.

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Francis y Lalo Saladin y famia

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Ever seen this Font klaas ? stars & stripes
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


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No very cool.  Where are you getting all these cool fonts?  I want them!  ::MonkeyCool::

Just checking in........Klaas you are wonderful for putting up with us all.  This is stressful and you should not have to endure it.  Respect is a 2 way street and everyone should abide by it.  Take care and please don't let us lose you. 

Be back later on. Blue Moon.

i can try to send this one to you it is a  Adobe illustrator font

Is it a free download?  Yes, send it if you have a chance to smklaas@hotmail.com

Thanks!

I still have those same issues as I had before...otherwise I have no comment as to if he is  Dirty Hand or not.  Remember there are many dirty hands.

bump

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert and Junior Croes and 2 daughters Lalo Saladin-Croes and Guisette Croes.

 

I give up!  I don't know if Lalo is a mother, mother in law, or wife of Michael Saladin.  I can't do this much longer, I am getting frustrated over it all.   :gaah:

Let's just say they are related, to me that's enough.   ::MonkeyWink::

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It's all about this pretty little girl, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing else gets in the way!

I've got my laser pointer on her. ::MonkeyWink::

"We're on a mission from God." -Blues Brothers


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not that this is important, but in my opinion the guy that allegedly committed last nites robbery at the fashion boutique is the same exact person.

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robbery suspect on left - marijuana gang member from Lorenzo bust on right

business robbed / attacked.
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look at how he is dressed. Carpe would you wear that belt?
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This guy should try out for the Aruba Model of the Year. He looks like he has the look!

Raunchy should make a call and rehabilitate this guy.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas is a GOODIE, no bout a doubt it! ::MonkeyCool::

Rob - I tried lightening up the one photo and I really can't tell.  The body style and hair are similar and it could be the same guy.

look at how he is dressed. Carpe would you wear that belt?

....

Only if I had the right shoes, Rob. Only with the right shoes! ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is so true.

Klaas, I could line the pics up better. But for me the jawline and nose are a match. And right where the tattoos are on the left neck area - you can kind of see them in the new pic, but they are semi blocked by hair and lighting - jmo-

Carpe - you say the funniest stuff!!! that alone is reason enough for me to keep my big mouth shut when the bannings occur. I wouldn't want to ever miss all the good things you do or say!!! see I'm getting smarter as I get older...shoes and belt  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

YOU are the MAN!!!

Right again, Carpe! (and thanks for another precious picture of Natalee too!)
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Are they transporting this guy in the trunk of the car?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Hey Rob, San...

Remember in the Wizard of Oz when Toto exposed

the GREAT OZ for being the sniveling little weak pantywaist he was?

That is a good script for how Aruba is gonna go down, as well.

Except it is going to be one of these >   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You're welcome texasmom. Cool gif!  ::MonkeyWink::

I agree Carpe.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
 You took the words right out of my mouse, Carpe.  Well not those exact words, but those words  minus Carpespeak.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

From the last thread, a small post of interest regarding the sandals, cement, and a body.

******* wrote - "Yes,plenty of places including the cemetaries..It would be all too easy to put her in a hole and pour concrete on top of her."

I've never thougt that the cement at the VDS place could have been a diversion.  IIRC, there was construction going on, and perhaps cement being poured elsewhere.  Are there places a cement truck would have been out of place?  Places where a cement truck (or pouring by some other means) would not have been out of place at the time?  jmho

Also the backhoe, are there any reports of a backhoe being at the VDS property?  I think that is a good sized piece of equipment to get on the property and I'm thinking that someone would have seen or heard something.  There would be places that a backhoe would not be out of the ordinary.  imho

interview with Jörg from june 2007.

http://www.amigoe.com/cgi-bin/artikel/exec/view.cgi?archive=83&num=31674

public prosecutors on Aruba are:

Hans Mos, Frans van Deutekom, Dop Kruimel, Casper van der Schaft and Elivia Lugo.
Lugo is the only Aruba prosecutor.

i am going through the archives from 2005 until now to find anything about Deutekom.

article goes further about the political involvement in the OM.
Jörg send a report of alleged corruption of Rudy Croes to Curaçao.

if that link doesn't work this one might work:
http://www.amigoe.com/cgi-bin/artikel/exec/view.cgi?archive=83&num=31674&printer=1

(simple trick to get the  subscription articles shown is to change the URL a little as were it an article for the printer)

we know that Deutekom is also the prosecutor in the Domino-case?

http://www.amigoe.com/cgi-bin/artikel/exec/view.cgi?archive=94&num=42126&printer=1

here Ricardo Yarzagaray, attorney for Ochoa says it isn't a fair trail.
among other things because he got the case files to late.

Deutekom responds by that the case was so big that the attorney's couldn't get the files within three or four months after the charges. and the attorneys got al the most important files.

Nice trick!  Thanks!

The picture on the left is from choller JoJO,

His Real Name is Josef Antersijn and his date of birth is 10/21/1957   in Aruba and living in Seroe Patrishi 4, he has a timeshare in KIA where is rotate every 4 months. in his 20th he use to be a baseball pitcher for a team call the Marlboro. Then he went to holland to study and there he was introduced to the Drug world and since then his live has turn into a person that live day by day of stealing.

When he is in KIA he will get well but when released he is back to his old habit (Stealing). Last time I spoke to him, he was going to be going into a program to get well.

He explaned to me that when there is notting to eat on the street, he will just get arrested so he can get to eat and then he will go and sit in KIA for 3 months till the case come in court. All the Chollers know this method of free loading and they are winning the battle since the Human Rights Law in KIA are applied and so they will get well in 3 month and after that back onto the street. Revolving KIA Choller Door.

HAHAHA!
That would be great at Halloweenie time,what's the name of the font Johan?  

Yup,all kinds of contruction going on in aruba in summer of 2005...namely the ISA where joran attended,anita works and joran was said to have stayed a night or 2 there that week.

Hi Caps,
So do you think JoJo is also the guy on the right that was in the Lorenzo drug bust?

Yep a big construction project.  One of the school teachers said Joran stayed after school and helped move stuff.

I found this article very interesting,not saying I totally agree with his therory but it is interesting.


After writing and thinking about the Natalee Holloway disappearance there has been one thing that has bothered me about the progress of the investigation and the approach. The theory of why Natalee disappeared and how I have outlined in other articles on American Chronicle over time but there is one facet of the theory that was a real puzzle. To explain that part of the investigation required another look at what motive would prevent people from pursuing a person instead of a body. This is what I have come up with.

Suppose after Natalee disappeared, her mother was approached and told , "If you want to ever see your daughter alive again , do not operate under the assumption she is alive." They knew a search for a body would turn up nothing. You notice that most mothers find it very difficult to give up on the life they gave birth to. Only two things could account for that to be accepted fairly soon in the investigation. First of all it could be that Beth just couldn´t stand the thought of Natalee not at peace in some form. On the other hand if she were told that any encouragement of looking for Natalee as a captive would result in Natalee´s death that could be motivation also.

When you look at the criminal mind and the threats that they live by such a scenario is not out of the realm of possibilities. Recognizing that if Natalee was alive and captive and found that the crooks could be caught and their whole lucrative operation threatened or destroyed and the government of Aruba implicated, a simple threat is not something they would be above doing. This would also explain the reluctance of many of the press to pursue the search for a live person. Beth could have told Greta for instance that she would only be interviewed with the premise that Natalee was dead. Greta may have inquired and simply have been told that these are the conditions of an interview take it or leave it. Or she may have divulged the reason with the understanding that it would not be made public. The intriguing facet of this scenario is that no matter what Beth says to negate or admit the theory we cannot be sure there is nothing to it. For if it is true that she received a threat then making it public would be a betrayal to the crooks and Natalee could be killed. On the other hand if she denies there is anything to this approach, that too is playing into the crooks´ hands. She is avoiding the possibility that they will kill Natalee because she is still operating under the crooks´ threat to Natalees´s life.

This of course brings up another concern. What if a search for Natalee alive is rejuvenated by the acceptance of this theory by those investigating her disappearance. Would not that endanger Natalee´s life? This was bothering at first. But then I realized that if I were in a captive position would I not want some chance of discovery and escape and/or release? Knowing that once someone in the underworld is under suspicion and may be discovered, like rats they scurry and will squeal to save their skin. A promise of leniency for coming forward and leading to the recovery of Natalee safe and sound might sink into some thumbnail brain that doesn´t want to go to prison or under the needle. That may be the impetus for a person involved in Natalee´s disappearance to come forward and salvage their life. In every mob there´s a person who will rat the others out instead of going down with the ship. This is the first chance for that person to see the writing on the wall and get their reprieve before someone else beats them to the punch. There is too much silence and nonsense for there not to be someone in the know about his case.


This part of the puzzle would explain why Joran is willing to talk of a dead Natalee although he gives different stories of how she died. The same is true of the Aruba "authorities" and their searches and theories that added up to nothing. It would explain how Joran was able to gamble underage in a public casino without any fear the authorities would crack down. Review the article " An Evaded Natalee Holloway Theory" under my other articles and see if it doesn´t fit all the facets outlined.

The burden is now on those who know that in order for Natalee to be found alive will require an understanding of how solutions are derived and that if a crime has a part that doesn´t make sense it cannot be ignored if a solution is to be found. The burden is not on Beth for if the theory is true she is helpless to either support or deny it. So it falls on those who see the best theory is the one that explains the situation with the least amount of assumptions that are plausible. There are too many implausible "explanations" associated with a dead Natalee theory. That three teenage boys could kill a girl with not a trace of evidence of a body is a pretty far stretch to begin with. All the subsequent events and investigations and searches that added up to nothing only requires some alternative approach. One has not emerged that has had all the components explained until now. Of course the theory may be proven wrong but at this point unless a body washes up on the beach ( which it won´t ) the search for Natalee should go on knowing that the possibility of her being alive is higher than being dead. A motive for her death cannot be established for three teenage boys. Rape is not very plausible and the focus of looking for a body that there was no fear of finding says that something far more sinister is afoot.

All the inconsistencies and evasions by the authorities of Aruba needs to be cataloged and presented to the public. The pressure belongs on their backs and from that pressure will come the voice that will see that the jig is up and they could very will be implicated for having what they perceive to be a minor part of this crime. The alternative is to sit still and simply accept what cannot be explained. This is not how most Americans treat their fellow citizens. American soldiers look after their own and so should al those Americans that see that an injustice is being perpetuated by what appears to be a coverup by the authorities of Aruba. With Justice for All, doesn´t exclude a girl from Alabama.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/67407

If that is what they did with her she will never be found.Soooo much contruction,constantly going on on aruba.I'm almost to the point of re thinking about if she is still alive somewhere.

Texasmom, I'm not sure I see Josef Antersijn listed here. But I do see the Fiscal and Hues commissioner.

would this be Deutekom here too? Is that how Lorenzo got the mediation and time served?

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I'm not sure on either point, but good questions!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I wonder if JoJo is any relation to this Antersijn

  Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #4
« Reply #581 on: June 30, 2008, 07:40:18 AM » Quote 

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Quote from: Poochy on June 29, 2008, 04:23:34 PM

The members of the Visibility Team are recruited from the ranks of the Police AND from Rodana Security  Aha! Here lies our poison siren!

5/16/06 8:28 AM the grey whisper said "...Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower?"

Sentries=hired security who saw on cameras what happened - but said they fell asleep in the week hours of the morning Nat went missing. So where ever the security cameras were situated could imply they filmed the crime scene. But the tape was wiped clean, or evidence was tampered, so to cover that up the 'sentries' said they fell asleep and forgot to record, film, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/5jdtqw

VCB Security has a direct public/private relationship with the Visibility Police on Aruba. What are some of the other projects for VCB Security? Mambo Jambo Nightclub Aruba and the Marriott Resort & Casino Aruba. The very resort that Joran Van der Sloot claims he and Natalee were dropped off at by Deepak Kalpoe?

The idea came about three years ago and the private sector, the hotels, banded together to fund raise for a better Police and security system. As a result of public resources and private funding coming together, Aruba today has a professionally trained and fully equipped Visibility Team patrolling the high rise area of Palm Beach, the low rise area of Eagle Beach, the downtown Mecca of shopping, Oranjestad and now also San Nicolas. It was an instant success from the get go as it brought about an exodus of troublemakers from Aruba’s premium spots.

"They have a security firm that has a “consulting” relationship with the “Visibility Team.”

The Visibility Team is as Aruba.com states:

“The members of the Visibility Team are recruited from the ranks of the Police and from Rodana Security, they are all well trained and nicely equipped for the job.”


RHODHANA SECURITY CONSULTANCY & SERVICES 
 
Business address FRANKLINSTRAAT Z/N, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  RHODHANA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  22 OCTOBER 1990 
         
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
ANTERSIJN, SIMON ROBERT JOSEPH; 
Residing in  POS CHIQUITO 13-G, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BOGOTA on 1 MAY 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 OCTOBER 1993 
Authority  FULL 
 

Thanks Hotping! 

Klaasend:

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And are very much appreciated.

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Cheers.......Kate

Thanks Kkate!

You very welcome. Please know that no matter how bad your day is going...ours is better because you're here ::MonkeyDance::

If I would have known that my posting would would have this big of a silencing effect I should have done it earlier & saved everyone a lot of grief ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

YW TM!

Okay, damn it. Let's quit this s--- now! We have all been here too long to get distracted by petty disagreements. ******* -you are the glue to this  forum. You have your beliefs,and most of us agree with you completely. Without casting aspersions - I think many of us here are really suspicious of newcomers. There has been such a disinformation campaign that I personally divide everything by 10 before forming an opinion on this case. In  MY opinion, I think we are witnessing the most BLATANT cover up of a crime by a COUNTRY (Aruba) in modern history. 

THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY. I think there is still a mjor campaign from Aruba and Holland to distract us. I am not fooled.

I agree, the most blatant coverup and we are not going away. 

"The most important is just distracting information." - JoranSloot

 :batman:

Klaas...do you have my Paulus avi? I got a feeling...

I'll look for it, hold on

Igsigs - what is your opinion of Patrick, his book and Joran's "confession".  Also, what is your opinion of Peter de Vries. 

Information, information, information. I love all that nerdy PV, transcript and book stuff. Hidden vids are my new fav!

So anyone that provides that - from any source - i am in favor off. Keep em talking...all of them.

"My mother, my mother can lie." - JoranSloot

You know I think Medleyrelay has more respect (although misplaced IMO) for Anita van der Sloot than Joran does.

& more respect for Joran than Anita does. At least she did...until Joran fleeced her into buying plane tickets for him.

Medley = Mart.

Did she really buy the plane tickets for him?  What a fool ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes! (she reads here all the time - lets see her deny it - will not happen)

As for Peter & Patrick, i do think that they have put a lot of pressure on the Aruban authorities to find resolution. Patrick says that ALE has a "trump card". I won't hold my breath on that - but i can hope.

Thanks, I agree that there is more pressure on the Aruban authorities now but I'm not holding my breath either.  ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight.

And Peter is going after Paulus now - you know that i have always thought that angle was necessary.

Get Carlo on vid again. That guy is a wuss.

The only trump card I can think of is the name of the boat. Thus, the owner, and his phone records which show Joran did call him...

that's all I have.

construction going on, and perhaps cement being poured elsewhere.  Are there places a cement truck would have been out of place?  Places where a cement truck (or pouring by some other means) would not have been out of place at the time?
Remember this picture someone posted
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Blonde...I am not sure, but that may be near the Racquet Club. There was a lot of construction at the Racqet Club in 2005, and villas were built near there as well...the pic may have come from Kermit, again not sure...

Caps….Would you mind please checking the latest database for Zedans and Arambatzis.  They appear to be multiplying like rabbits, both on Aruba and in Venezuela…Some are adding the name, Arambatzis, and others are dropping it! … Rodriguez appears to be the common denominator…Surprise…Surprise!

If you could post the latest database in Shango, it would be greatly appreciated…Thanks in Advance!

caesu

(simple trick to get the  subscription articles shown is to change the URL a little as were it an article for the printer)

I can get this to work on archived articles.  Is there a trick to open the current subscription articles?  Maybe I am doing something wrong.  TIA

Morning Monkeys! 

This guy, Dale Netherton, sure has written a lot of articles on Natalee's disappearance.  He brings up a lot of good points to consider...even though I dont agree with the human slavery aspect....I do think it fits in with the "after hours party" & "something bad happened" theory.  This particular article does make you consider the government's role in Natalee's disappearance in regards to the investigation & motive for coverup.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/8969

The Element of Motive
Dale Netherton
May 02, 2006
People do not commit crimes without a motive. The motive may be irrational, but it is what motivates them to violate the rights of another person or persons. The criminal expects that by violating a victim’s right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness they will gain or alleviate something that is impeding their wishes. Whether the criminal is seeking property or the elimination of a witness, they assume the violation of the victim’s rights will resolve the impediment to their desires. The criminal may be delusional, incompetent or simply vicious, but when they act, something moves them, even if they are acting in a blind rage to attack their victim. It may be so deranged that it is hardly comprehensible to a rational *******, but no one acts to violate the rights of another person without a motive unless they suffer from a random outburst of mental instability often referred to as insanity.. Thus, the insanity defense is the defense of last resort for criminal action. That is not what we are dealing with in the Natalee Holloway disappearance.

Someone(s) abducted Natalee. If she had simply run off as some naive pseudo-sleuths have proposed ,one would have to ask why and secondly why has she not been seen? This was no runaway bride scenario. Who runs away on a small island if escape is the motive? There are far better locations she had access to and there was no history of any discontent. There is nothing to indicate she was or is a runaway. Which brings us back to the motive of someone to abduct her. Why would anyone want Natalee? The first question then becomes, what did she possess that a criminal would want? Did she have a lot of cash on her person? Was she robbed and then murdered to prevent a witness from identifying the criminal? That conjecture certainly doesn’t fit with any of the evidence so far revealed. What then would motivate a criminal to abduct Natalee?

A young boy like Joran evidently had a desire to be with Natalee for some reason as he admits he was with her and they even expressed affection for each other. And one could conjecture that affection led to arousal and rape was the end result. This scenario has a lot of flaws. First of all, rape is a crime of violence and is not initiated by affection. Secondly, there is no evidence of a pattern of sexual violence by Joran and the likelihood that he was that overcome with passion that night would indicate someone desperate for a sexual encounter. Arriving after midnight to the “party” is hardly indicative of someone seeking desperately to have a sexual encounter. Joran was known by many girls and it strikes me as highly unlikely he would pick someone he had only known for a brief period as someone he desperately had to have sex with. And if he was going to achieve submission through affection would he invite other boys to tag along?

Enter the Kaploe brothers. Was this a gang rape gone bad? From what we know from Joran, he was not on a personal friend basis with the brothers. They ‘drove him around’. This was what he indicated on his interview on Fox with Greta Van Sustran. Whether he is believable is of course another question. But strictly from a motive standpoint ,why would three boys suddenly decide to accost a visiting female knowing she would not be easy. If she were easy and had invited them, there would have been no motive for harm. Joran didn’t know any easy marks for such an episode? Doesn’t fit with what we know of motivational behavior. Imagine Joran saying to the brothers,” I met this girl and I think we can rape her and hide her body so no one will find her”. And the brothers would reply, “ Yeah that sounds like a great plan.” If this sounds plausible I expect abduction by aliens would also fit.

This brings us back to what could have possibly happened to Natalee and who had a motive to do her harm? With sex and violence out of the picture and running away not credible, we have to look at the possibility that she was herself a valuable commodity to someone for some purpose. This would suggest an abduction for profit. And here we see the most plausible motive. There is human trafficking in the Carribean. This is known. There is the opportunity for abduction. There are visiting attractive young females. and there is a lot of money to be made from selling their “services” by those involved in the criminal trade. Whether Joran and his drivers had anything to do with abducting Natalee has yet to be proven. But the motive of a payoff or island privilges could very well have had a role in asisting the abduction of Natalee.

What specifically was the reason Joran considered Natalee someone he was interested in? If it was a casual encounter, does it follow that he would “make out” with her and just dump her with no further interest whatsoever? And if she was upset with him for some reason would she not have asked him to take her home? But what if someone said to Joran, “ If you will bring a girl to a specified location at a certain time you will be extended casino privileges. All you have to do is drop her off and leave. We’ll take care of the rest.” Is this so far fetched that it couldn’t happen and if it didn’t, then what is the answer to where Natale disappeared to? We have already considered the runaway scenario and the sex scenario and found them wanting. But what about this possibility?



This option has the issue of motive clearly established. And if money was the motive what would be the downside of attempting such an abduction? The downside for any criminal is getting caught. And how does a criminal avoid getting caught? Either he is so clever that he knows where law enforcment will be when he commits the crime or he has a connection that he can pay off to look the other way. Since the possibility of a police officer or a camera or a radar for boats leaving the island ( which I understand is under police jurisdiction) could spot some unusual behavior the buy off option is the most plausible. If you are in the highly lucrative human trafficking business one of the costs of doing business has to be avoiding confronntation with authorities by pay offs. There was probably not a concentration of this activity on one island as just a bank robber doesn’t hit a bank in the same vicinity if he suspects this may call too much attention to his activity. Suppose it just happened to be the night for an Aruba pickup and Joran simply picked Natalee because she mistook his attention for a genuine interest in her. He offered her a ride back to her hotel and took her to the pickup point, dropped her off and maybe doesn’t know what happened to her but that wasn’t his assignment.

Since he was seen with her it would have looked very suspicious if the polce has not at least picked him up. But what motivated them to be so secretive about their interrogation? Would it not have been a feather in their hat to grill him and the Kalpoe brothers, pitting them against each other until one finally cracked? There is no indication that the interrogation had any such element. The recorded conversation did not reveal anything significant. Why? If the boys had known what had happened after they dropped her off at the drop off point, wouldn’t they have discussed or speculated? Instead they talked in generalities and revealed nothing. Maybe this too was a ploy to show the world that the police was secrretly recording and trying to get answers for questions they already had answers they did not want to make public. It all fits so well with the motivation of money. Why would the police be protective of a potential criminal unless they wanted to be sure Joran and the Kalpoe brothers didn’t spill the beans. Getting Joran to go on television with instructions to avoid any implication of the authorities would also fit as an attempt to demonstrate his involvement was not significant. If they can get Joran exonerated by the public they are practically home free. For there is no known closer link to her disappearance. Making another arrest also diverts attention for Joran and further dilutes the case and this is the motive behind the display of ineptitude, the endless unproductive searching and the wild speculation , resignations and the portrayal of having cnducted an exhaustive search. For if it were found that the police had colluded with a ring of human traffickers the outrage by the populalce could bring down the government and the wrath of would be tourists. There is a huge amont of motivation that such involvement be diverted in any way it can be. But the facts of the case center around the motivation of the abductors and this aspect of the investigation has been almost avoided. It is the central driving force that explains why anyone would cause Natalee to disappear. Motive must be analyzed and openly discussed, for the why of the abducttion leads to the possible actors and their actions. Waiting for evidence to appear does not constitute an active investigation. The element of motive is a central component leading to possible suspicious behavior. Consider it carefully and you may come to some surprising conclusions that will make you wonder why certain avenues of investigation haven’t been and are not being pursued. For whatever your theory, motive must be a central component. And in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, it has mostly been overlooked.

.....looking at the store that was robbed, I think he did it! I think he stole the belt! ::MonkeyRoll::

Haha klaas  thanks for the tip !!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

beachwego wrote;


Here is a more current article written by Netherton from July 6th 2008. He discusses the slavery issue. You are right he is a very prolific writer. Sometimes the articles are good, sometimes not so.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/67407

Here is an article about rave parties - http://drugcaucus.senate.gov/ecstacymarshall.html

I've been thinking about Deutekom, and to me this guy DOES fit the profile of Dirty Hand by Shango. Several have pointed out that we have not been able to identify him for three years even though there are an army of finger police looking. When he was first ID'd by Caps several months ago that was my exact thought. HE IS / WAS UNIDENTIFIABLE. That is part of the key to identifying him.

Last night I was able to mix a few keywords and find some minor info on him. There wasn't much there, but the combo of words I used were -

Fiscal + Aruba
Fiscal + Deutekom
Fiscal prosecutor + Aruba
Fiscal OM + prosecutor + Aruba

Those are just a sample of combinations. I tried many more.

That alone told me that this is the person we have all been trying to find. The riddle indicates he is "hidden". He is hidden on the net also. This is basically Aruba's garbage man. He takes out the garbage and sometimes he re-arranges the garbage to appear as if it is a tasty meal.

A government as corrupt as Aruba's does need a person behind the scenes to make it all appear as if all is well, when in fact, it's all bubbling under the surface. That "bubbling" erupted on 5-30-2005. The after-shock is not able to be contained as it had been in the past.

In my own speculation Dirty Hand is the person most responsible for Aruba's panoramic (yet false) international image. This is the person that made the travel brochures seem real. When in fact it was as Hero described "a corrupt hornet's nest".

Aruba has a huge cushion of three years. They have hidden the master manipulator this entire time while they took a beating. I also speculate that hiding Dirty Hand was much more important that allowing tourism to sink into the sea. Dirty Hand can sink Aruba, but not without sinking himself also. They need each other.

There is probably not much of a document trail inside the archive of Aruba indicating exactly what Deutekom has actually done. This is the type of work that is accomplished and then the paper trail is destroyed. No sense allowing anyone to ever see those docs, so why take a chance. All of the back-room deals, bribery, and mega-corruption would all be exposed. That's the real tourism wrecker. It would also get the Arawaks to "light the fires and bang the drums"... no one in the MEP wants any of that. That's how people end up getting killed.

A small island nation like Aruba is not like the town you live in where the order of law rules the day. On Aruba when things go nuts, the "mob mentality" will come out of the wood work faster than you or I could imagine.

Morning Monkeys

Did we start a thread on van der straaten? If so, can you kindly point me to the door? ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, right here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3028.0

Thanks Klaas

Couple questions:

What do you mean by "click on print option"?

When do I use &printer=1 ?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Rob

Aren't most Dutch, sent to Aruba for a limited time?  Do we have a date of Deutekom's arrival and any idea of the Aruban situation that led to his arrival on the island.  Was he a replacement for someone or an addition?

I do remember Paulus's philosophy that it is better to mediate a solution than to go to trial.

Heya BB!  yes this article even makes me think back to the summer of 05 when Beth was on the island ...the man who was following her...the phone call from Posner (I think it was him), her phones being tapped..and the reason for changing hotels. 

Also, I think if one looks at the "issues" the Bethhaters continiously to this day, make such a big deal of...it gives you a little insight into who or what is behind them....

Most articles give you an option to either PRINT or EMAIL the article.  When you click on the PRINT option it usually opens in a new window.  That is what I meant by "click on print option".   What I'm saying is that if you look at the URL in your tool bar and see the word ARTICLE or in this case ARTIKEL and change that word to PRINTER you should be able to view the article.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/printer1a.jpg)

Buckeye, yes, you are absolutely correct. I have a date that says he was on Aruba in December 2004 for sure. I have not found a date that precedes that yet. I do not have any idea how or why he got to Aruba. This is a very new and interesting area for me personally.

And Paulus' - "mediate a solution" seems to fit here also.

Here is a link to an article I found in a cached section that has several keywords.

Fiscal + Aruba + Namdar.

Maybe caesu or Johan can see if there is something important there.

http://tinyurl.com/5m6sne

I also see the name "charlatan" Michael Williamsin that article. It's located on pagina 3 for any Dutch poster interested. It could be nothing, but it could also be worth checking. It is in papiamento, but there could be some words that caesu of Johan may recognize. I also see many references to "publico ministry".

There is also some stuff on page 7, but that is all coming out scramble for me. The pages seem to overlap.

cool tricky! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love those


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Antilles
Violent attack on U.S. tourists
July 5, 2008, 17:25 (GMT -04:00)

MARIGOT - Two American tourists were robbed and beaten Wednesday when changing from a restaurant on the waterfront in Marigot ran to their car. The victims were taken to hospital for treatment of their injuries.

The incident took place around half past nine at night. Three people approached the car and one of them grip the wallet from the pocket of one of the Americans. When the victim realized that he was robbed, he tried to get his wallet back. During the struggle, he was beaten to the ground, where he remained unconscious. The other American was hit and was injured. One of the victims ran injuries to his head, face, knees and shoulders, the other to his head and jaw. Both had a blue eye.

The overvallers fled in a white Toyota Corolla with a number of credit cards and 30 dollars as loot. The gendarmerie investigating the case.

On the same day showed a boy elfjarige a girl sixteen as the thief on his mobile phone. The girl was arrested. They would the boy have threatened with a knife.   



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Curacao
"We want to build a strong case '
July 5, 2008, 17:33 (GMT -04:00)

WILLEMSTAD - A solid case with sufficient evidence against the relschoppers on Thursday evening last week, which among other destruction caused by cafe The Nightwatch. A local visitor walked a schedelfractuur by a stone was thrown. Many witnesses of the events would prefer to remain anonymous, for fear of reprisals. That hampered the investigation.

The study, which the police now under the leadership of the Public Ministry is working on, has the highest priority. But that takes time, said Police Spokesman Reggie Huggins. "We want to avoid that we arrest someone and then after two days have been let go because there is not sufficient grounds for him or her to stick." From the community sounds criticism. Why are there still no arrests? That would be all over the world have been done. There were still agents that evening on the streets, why have they not intervened?

Huggins is aware of these criticisms. "Our priority now is with the criminal investigation. To give an identity to the faces of the relschoppers their arrests, the rondkrijgen of evidence and ensure that they get the court to overturn the punishment they deserve. "Easy it is not. Many witnesses want for fear of reprisals remain anonymous. Problem is that justice in the courtroom often anonymous testimony by the counterparty be cracked.

Of the event itself that day - which demonstrators protested against the treatment of the General Act of Rijksbestuur Financial Supervision in the Eilandsraad, a measure that in their eyes the autonomy of the island severely limited - the whole day shooting. So say the authorities. Or that evening was done is unknown. Of the visitors fleeing in panic of The Nightwatch, mostly Dutch trainees, recordings have made with their mobile phones, is also part of the investigation.

The local press has little or no photos published. At the moment itself, there may even photographers and cameramensen are threatened by demonstrators.

Apart from this criminal investigation, the internal investigation into the actions of the police that day. "Were there are agents in the street at the time of the destruction and if so, they had therefore able to intervene", are two key questions that Huggins lists. After the meeting, around a quarter past eleven, is the largest part of the demonstrators went home. A small group was so frustrated that his anger cooled from cars to destroy and to throw stones. The result is known.


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Curacao
Where are arrests Antilles?
July 5, 2008, 17:37 (GMT -04:00)

WILLEMSTAD / AMSTERDAM - Where are arrests on the West Indies? It asks Paul Lieben asked in a column in the largest Dutch newsmagazine Elsevier following the riots last week in which Carlos Moreno seriously injured.

Politicoloog Paul Lieben (39), senior policy advisor in the gemeentepolitiek, in a personal capacity also publishes regularly in the columns of newspapers, including the NRC. He finds it strange that so far just zero demonstrators cq molestanten were arrested. "Curiously, on an island as big as a stamp, where almost everyone knows each other. Or is that precisely the problem last? Schuilt there may be something of truth in the alarming report of the PVV about nepotism in the West? "

He suggests that perhaps the next financial authorities also justice and police under guardianship should be made. "And if local authorities do not want to leave the streets clean by their policeman, there is perhaps a clean job for our marines."

In Elsevier Lieben called the 'rassenrellen in the kingdom "to my knowledge' unique '. And he continues: 'Is it something in black and white to say that what lukewarm responses seem? "And he refers to gezaghebber Lisa Dindial who has called' caution 'and Minister of Justice David Dick (PAR) that the a 'bad' will find that the group has made relschoppers abuse of the permission to demonstrate. 'Was there really police presence to that demonstration? If not, why not? If so, why are there no arrests? "

Lieben wonders whether the motive for the demonstration and the hunt for whites, the General Measure of Rijksbestuur (AMvRB) which regulates financial supervision by the Netherlands in exchange for the debt, now is really something to schuimbekkend to the streets to go. He says: "Imposing slogans. Like this: They must oprotten to their own country. How many Dutch people will not have aspirations after the umpteenth broadcast of Investigation Verzocht, which Antilleans configuration. And another slogan: We can not, so do not bother you. Since when can not Antilleans in the Netherlands? Was it a celebration, the aforementioned TV viewers brommen "said Lieben.

Elsevier is not the only Dutch medium that goes on in the extended for (tourists) image of the island extremely negative events of last week. As with a circulation of nearly 700,000 copies of the Netherlands largest newspaper, the Telegraaf, is today a full-page article about the hatred that would afflict Curacao under the telling headline Blankenjacht.

I have noticed the same thing. We only get what they want us to get Carpe.

AMIGOE - EUGENE LAMPE   

ORANJESTAD - Eugene Lampe (29) is likely next month to Canada for a psychiatric examination by the Pieter Baan Centre. The Public Prosecutor (OM) early yesterday during the pro forma session adjournment pending the outcome of this investigation. The Public Prosecutor (OM) early yesterday during the pro forma session adjournment pending the outcome of this investigation. The lawyer Lampe, Chris Lejeuz, made no objection to this request. The lawyer Lampe, Chris Lejeuz, made no objection to this request. The judge has postponed the case until 7 november. The judge has postponed the case until 7 november. On the basis of the investigation by an independent psychiatrist (s) - Lampe had already been previously handled by the only psychiatrist on this island want to know if justice Lampe toerekeningsvatbaar when he was probably his father, mother and brother on 4 april This year brought to life. On the basis of the investigation by an independent psychiatrist (s) - Lampe had already been previously handled by the only psychiatrist on this island want to know if justice Lampe toerekeningsvatbaar when he was probably his father, mother and brother on 4 april This year brought to life.

The case did many eyebrows by the way the murders were committed and also because the suspect then tried to burn the bodies. The case did many eyebrows by the way the murders were committed and also because the suspect then tried to burn the bodies. The OM suspects that Lampe has committed the murders because his parents wanted him under curatorship. The OM suspects that Lampe has committed the murders because his parents wanted him under curatorship. He had been a long-time personal problems, among other things because of his drug addiction. He had been a long-time personal problems, among other things because of his drug addiction.

Triple murder case against Lampe postponed
July 5, 2008, 17:16 (GMT -04:00)
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-05-lampe.jpg)

Eugene Lampe, suspected of the murder of his father, mother and brother, probably next month to Canada for a psychiatric examination.

ORANJESTAD - Eugene Lampe (29) is likely next month to Canada for a psychiatric examination by the Pieter Baan Centre. The Public Prosecutor (OM) early yesterday during the pro forma session adjournment pending the outcome of this investigation. The lawyer Lampe, Chris Lejeuz, made no objection to this request. The judge has postponed the case until 7 november. On the basis of the investigation by an independent psychiatrist (s) - Lampe had already been previously handled by the only psychiatrist on this island want to know if justice Lampe toerekeningsvatbaar when he was probably his father, mother and brother on 4 april This year brought to life.

The case did many eyebrows by the way the murders were committed and also because the suspect then tried to burn the bodies. The OM suspects that Lampe has committed the murders because his parents wanted him under curatorship. He had been a long-time personal problems, among other things because of his drug addiction.

ha ha Carpe!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hate it when a case DID MANY EYEBROWS!

Those are the worst.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Johan,

I like yours much better. Yours has flair! ::MonkeyWink::

I meant to make this point but forgot in a prior post.

When Hero Brinkman described Aruba as a "corrupt hornet's nest", I found that very interesting. His choice of words was on purpose in my opinion.

Why not a "corrupt rat's nest"?

Rats spread disease.

Hornets sting. These critters are very painful. Ask anyone who has been stung. It's not like a bee sting.

interesting.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44152.php

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44155.php

former chief of police Jan van der Straten


He almost looks like Ronald Reagan dozing off. Some Monkey needs
to go tickle under his nose with a feather. ::MonkeyTongue::

From Joran's diary (the one hacked by sandrak)....possible info before the "cleanup" for the book?).

When we got to the hotel it was already close to 4:00 a.m. and Natalee’s whole family was already there asking people if they had seen Natalee. Charles Croes a man that was with the family then came to me and introduced himslef in papiamento (the local language on the island).

We talked for a while in papiamento and he told me I was in a lot of trouble, and he pointed to a car where Beth Twitty was sitting in the back holding a picture of her daughter. I went to the car and tried to talk with Beth but all she said was you know where my daughter is, get away!

Why speak in a language that the family cannot understand when everyone understands English?

I then turned my attention to Deepak and my dad who were talking to the rest of the group in the lobby. A large man then approached me and said he was Agent Smitt from the US Embassy. He asked me to tell him exactly what happened that night and I told him that Natalee had asked me to go to Carlos and Charlies with her and that it was her last night....
...Agent Smitt then took down some notes and one of the local police officers asked if he could talk to him. Smitt agreed and together they walked away from the group.

...Charles Croes then gave me his phone number and said if I remember anything to please call him. Agent Smitt and the local police officer returned they shook hands and Deepak, my dad, and I stepped in the Police car. On the drive back to my house the officer that had spoken to Agent Smitt said that he had told him that the girl was probaly a run away and that she will probaly turn up in a day or two. He also told us that Agent Smitt had told him she was from a wealthy family.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0

i believe he said 'corrupt boeven nest'. boeven = gangsters.
or translated 'a corrupt den of thieves'.
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/l024/brinkman024.html

in the 90s, another MP and minister (Frist Bolkestein) used to call Aruba a 'roversnest'. a bandit's nest.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/cultuur/car20070921_genootschapAruba

(i read this now and a dutch MP, John Leerdam gave a speech about "the curse of Natalee" and "the blessing of Fidel (Castro)" for Aruba).

 ::MonkeyConfused::

...but it is not the CURSE OF NATALEE...

It is the curse of THE RAPING MURDERING VAN DER SLOOTS

Natalee left us a long time ago. Joran told the world that!

Right Patrick? ::MonkeyWink::

thanks for the clarification caesu. much appreciated!!

Morning Dayhiker - ya don't say!!! you are indicating that the Dutch should actually enforce their own laws. That's nuevo!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

good to see ya!!

Rob...can I email you a pic taken the day the gov't gave the workers off to search for Nat. Its probably nothing but a friend took it up near the lighthouse in a secluded area.

I'd post it but don't know how.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Jan's "buy-out clause" must be due. Now he can take his dirty ass back to Holland where they all run and hide.

Hi and Welcome Quisp... seems I remember this SN from somewhere... anyway, sure you can email me a pic.

zoltanzion@hotmail.com

can I post it, or would you prefer that I don't?

I have to leave in a few minutes but will check my email later and post it if you wish.

Saved these directions but only used once:

Copy then paste the URL, from the picture, into your message/reply.

Highlight the URL

Click on the little picture icon (second row,second icon, between red ball and blue world)

"the blessing of Fidel (Castro)" for Aruba

I liken Fidel Castro to Paulus Van der sloot...

They are both like one huge mind numbing fart wrapped in Havana...

No matter how much you open up the windows to try and

generate a refreshing cross breeze that would air them out...


They both still refuse to get into a police car! ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/TRTYTRYRYT-1.jpg)

KLAAS...hot nanner basket...Destiny

Got it, thanks!

Do you happen to know the names of his parents by any chance? TIA

Aruba
Lawyer Duijneveld home
July 5, 2008, 17:02 (GMT -04:00)




 
ORANJESTAD - The detention of lawyer Edwin Duijneveld is suspended. The lawyer who vastzat a small twenty days, remains suspect. He is accused of complicity in fraudulent bankbreuk. New in the indictment is that he also is accused of forgery in writing. It revealed during judicial investigation into the Dominozaak. The lawyer would have represented financial interests of businessman Luis Mansur  who was yesterday sentenced to seven years imprisonment because of participation in a criminal organization and drug trafficking.

I apologize for not posting lately but I do read the post.  I tried the trick with the URL and found this article.  Could someone tell me who Luis Mansur is

Is it also possible to take another road to the highway(direction Lighthouse ) in the C&C area ?
see 1 or 2 (marks on the pic )
Because when you have plans to go to the lighthouse ,why through  Choose a name and 2 times along a police car (you don't do that when you are half drunk )
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/CopyofCCwegrijdenkopie.jpg?t=1215446700)

I'll tell you what else fits. That we never heard of him. Just like we never heard of Dolph Richardson until Dompig was given the boot. What they do is put the dirty cover-up work on somebody behind the scenes and put a straw man out front to disinform and keep the heat off that person. This guy must have been doing Jannsen's dirty work while she held everyone at bay.

Dayhiker, I agree.  So much of what they did was slight-of-hand.  Get everyone to look at something besides what they're doing.  But the Monkeys knew they were being fooled; they didn't count on smart monkeys.  We just can't prove it to The Hague. 

When did Dennis Jacobs tell Joran he was the Devil?  After Beth and Dave said she had no history of seizures?  If so, that's when they knew that it was drugs, given by Joran or on his instruction.  That's when they knew her injuries were due to Joran's hands, not falling.  Did they see the body or was it gone by then.  No body.  No case. 

I think Luis is Jossy's brother. 

Justice is served quickly in Aruba when it's a Mansur and not a Dutchman, a van der Sloot.   (That's assuming Luis is guilty.)  I hear Jossy may not be well.  Just a rumor?  Does anyone know? 

Canadian monkeys should be warned.  Mexico exports it's criminals also.

Lalas, from the FP: Three members of the Lampe family, Juan, Aura and Edvard, were found murdered in a house in located at Macuarima 127-c in Santa Cruz in Aruba. One of the Lampe sons, (E.J.L) Eugene Lampe, has been arrested on suspicion of attempted arson, murder, and manslaughter.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/07/crime-not-limited-to-natalee-holloway-in-aruba-safe-island-paradise-lampe-family-mother-father-and-son-murdered-in-santa-cruz-suspect-in-custody/

Johan - yes there are a couple different ways they could have driven up the coast towards the lighthouse.  One way takes them past the hotels and the other way takes them past the VDS home first, then over near the hotels.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/RouteHotelsVDS2.jpg)

Hey,
I too recall Beth saying she got a threatening phone call asking when was she planning on leaving Aruba. don't recall if it was from Posner, but she did seem to feel threatened by him.

When they had plans to go to Joran's House  is this the most logical direction.(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/roadtojoranshousekopie.jpg?t=1215458437)

I remember Rita Crosby specifically asking Beth that question and Beth really didn't want to answer.

I found it.  There was a front page article on the discussion:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/20/rita-cosby-discusses-deepak-and-michael-posner/

COSBY: Yes. And a big, big line of credit. Beth, I know you‘ve actually been to the casino, right? And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

And : I have read a statement, that Natalee said near a petrol station on the boulevard  that she wants to go to the lighthouse

when this too boring stuff please send me a email  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Does anyone have biography of Deutekom?  Where he grew up, worked, went to school, who supported him along the way?

What are his investments/involvements on Aruba?  Elsewhere?

Family ties?

Related to the Queen?

Who are his business and personal associates? 

Is he the keeper of secrets and photos?

jmho and questions

i am also very eager to know more about Van Deutekom.
i keep going through newspaper archives and try different searches.

i don't know to what extent he is a 'dirtyhand'. don't know enough about him.
and i don't know enough about the shango-threads.
but for me, everyone with top-position working at the OM or justice department on Aruba is more than dirty.

Johan - yes, IMO that would be the most logical route to the VDS home from the CnC area.

and do you know this statement klaas ?

 a statement, that Natalee said near a petrol station on the boulevard  that she wants to go to the lighthouse

And let's not forget that Joran's lawyer Antonio Carlo was firmly implanted in the board of AHATA. Not hard to figure out he was running the AHATA show behind the scenes given that all they did was trash Natalee and Beth, run disinformation on insurance policies, plant internet mercenaries out to bash them, etc.

There was a poster with a web site, hasn't posted for some time, that ran a web site.  http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He made a comment once that whenever he posted a new editorial, there always seemed to be a large number of hits (on the sitemeter) from the Hague.  I've always thought Anita resembles the Queen.  jmho

Would van Deutekom be located in the Hague?

here are the images forwarded from Quisp. I changed the image ID to reflect they are from Quisp.

These photos are from a friend of Quisp's that was on Aruba right after Natalee disappeared and saw this stuff on the beach.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/quisp1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/quisp2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/quisp3.jpg)

These images were taken on a secluded area of the beach near the lighthouse.

i think van Deutekom is for most of the year on Aruba. as he works there at the OM.

when i e-mail to Aruba (justice department / government / governor) i always see that my e-mail is read (likely forwarded) in The Hague as well (my e-mail signature has a little icon on my own webserver - so i can see when that's downloaded, which IP-address).
so i am sure there is enought co-ordination between Aruba and The Hague.
The Hague will say: "it is an issue about Aruba, we can't comment on it".
but most top-jobs at the justice department, police department, OM, judges on the Aruban Court and Higher Court are filled by Dutchies.
so for sure The Hague knows exactly what's going on there.
if something goes wrong on Aruba they pretend they didn't know, if something goes right they say they did know.

What is his full name caesu?
where did he live in the Netherlands ?

F. A. P. M. van Deutekom (Frans)

don't know where he lived.
but he is involved with Aruba at least since 1997.
as he helped writing the new lawbook for the Antilles/Aruba.
then he worked at the justice department on Aruba, the legislation directorate.

for me it's beyond obvious what's going on here. The Dutch (take no offense caesu and Johan) do not care about Aruba. It's only the Judiciary they really care about. It's the ability to launch get outta jail free cards in the direction of their buddies. It is a land where crimes can be committed by the Dutch but no serious jail time enters the picture. The secret is out now.

If they truly cared, they would clean that entire island up before more tourists are disappeared. Few tourists mean fewer targets, but those still going increase their chances of being assaulted due to the mathematics of it all.

He is listed in the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Delegation Members of the European part  of the Kingdom - Frans Van Deutekom, Public Prosecutor in Aruba

I think regio Nijmegen caesu

Van Deutekom 1995
Van Deutekom, F. A. P. M., 'Heenzenden', in: Balkema, J.P. (red.), Dynamisch strafrecht.
Opstellen ter gelegenheid van het afscheid van Prof. mr. G.J.M. Corstens van de Katholieke
Universiteit Nijmegen.

Caesu and Johan…Caps posted  once that he was from Germany…I am looking for that post…Trying to put  all the posts together and will post them in a thread and see what we have. It was discussed in the Shango thread and IIRC also on the Natalee Discussion thread a little while back. Hopefully will be done in the morning!

ROB :
Aruba is an island where anything is possible, 10% of people are addicted.
Corrupt governance, corrupt judges, corrupt lawyers etc .
The Netherlands paid an enormous amount of money each year to that club there, millions of euros.
No where in the world are so many casinos and Aruba.
money laundering practices, murders.
If there are people suddenly disappear as Max the Vries (a 12 years old boy  ) they do nothing, no investigation! CRAZY!!
Do you think the Netherlands happy with a country like Aruba?I am not
We pay Tax  here for their party .

BB- HI

IIRC Jug indicated someone urinated in Beth's food at the Holiday Inn and she may have been stalked / followed near the Wyndham. I'm not totally sure where the "following" occurred. I seem to remember in an alley way near the Wyndham, but I could be wrong.

Johan, does this mean a Catholic school? The Sloots were Catholic until Anita changed to Buddhism. They were / are members of the Santa Ana Church in Noord.

i think i knows where this comes from.
there is reference to a book of him in german.
but this could be translation to german or a translated title.
'van deutekom' is a very dutch name.

http://www.ejcl.org/64/art64-27.html

Johan your dedication to this forum is ample *proef* that you do not condone what is occurring daily on Aruba. Your view is well know by moi!

Paying taxes for what is happening there is like rubbing salt in a wound! and paying some of the highest taxes in all of Europe and then knowing that Aruba is flushing it down the toilet has got to be very frustrating.

yes, that's a catholic university. now it is called Radboud University Nijmegen.

PvdS studied at Catholic University Brabant. now called Tilburg University.
Hirsch Ballin studied also there. these are very large universities.

Anita looks like a dead-ringer for Buddha himself.

and this one caesu dan full search on his name .
http://files.rechtennieuws.nl/files/Grondslagen%20van%20het%20opportuniteitsbeginsel%20WENT%20269801.pdf

Anita changed to Buddhism?????[/color] ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

thanks to Hero Brinkman and the PVV the attitude towards Aruba/Antilles is going to change.
even the government (Bijleveld) is slowly starting to swift towards the PVV.

after the summer recess, there is going to be a debate about the corruption on the Antilles/Aruba.
officially not because of Brinkman's maffia-report. but undoubtely it is because of that.
the government parties are trying to take this issue over from the PVV.
because the majority of the public agrees with the PVV on this issue.

the governments of the islands really have to make up their minds quick now, if they don't want to be sold (to the UK, France, Venezuela, USA?) or loose their independent status entirely like what is going to happen to Saba, St. Eustatius and Bonaire.
after the next dutch election in 2010 or earlier the parties fed up with the islands will win big.
might be that the other parties will make the PVV stance their stance, because they see it is popular.

most likely Frans van Deutekom was born in 1956.
was at school in Deurne, St. Willibrord school. 1963-1971.
not far from Nijmegen.

found this on Schoolbank (signing up is required).
http://www.schoolbank.nl/klasgenoot/frans-van-deutekom/1810618020

HAHA yes i saw that also  are you  a member there Caesu ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

In the Shango and Simion post, they are talking about Dirty Hand and CAPS says "The Pubic Prosectuor is always hidden.  How do I know that?  The Aircondition man knows."  What does that mean?

sometimes i sign up to some made up school just to have a look.  ::MonkeyWink::

found another site old classmates of the St. Willibrord school:
http://projects.firstsoftware.nl/script/vriewill2.exe/email2?aanl33815474300000019047
you can send Deutekom an e-mail here.

it is a gymnasium, that's requirement to enter University. and it is near Nijmegen.
and the year of birth adds up (1956). so most likely it is him.

Why are his handcuffs in the front, instead of the back?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, CAPS did tell us over in S&S that DTKM was German.

I saved it on  Fri Apr 25, 2008

caesu  > http://www.pj-design.nl/burhoven/antecedenten-juristen-m.htm

it is possible but Van Deutekom is a very Dutch name.
but so far i haven't found much about him.
but what i've found doesn't connect him to Germany.
apart from one book title about French, German and Dutch prosecution (translated?) in German.

I save a lot of intersting posts this one says Germany i will keep looking
Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:32 pm          

In 2002-2004 there was a big fenomena about filming Drunken teens and having sex. It was a big trend in europe (Budapest, Bukarest, Pragg, Germany. mostly eastern europe and it funnel via the internet as a wave into holland. Now the XTC pill manufacture in europe was the blame for this fenomena.

here F. van Deutekom is being thanked for his help with the publication of the new lawbook for Aruba/Antilles.
this was published in 1997.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/16i9yz8.png)
he is cited as working on Aruba for the Legislation Directorate of Aruba.

this is Directorate Legislation and Judicial Affairs, part of the Justice Department.
http://almanak.overheid.nl/2368/Directie_Wetgeving_en_Juridische_Zaken/

http://www.vanstockum.nl/product/9038705727

3 weeks ago i was looking for pics and i Googled  on the name jacob wit and  his wife's  name .
I found several pic's (also fam pics)and didn't download them.
I did that yesterday again and all the pics are gone !

Does anyone have the address for the location where DTKM works?  I really would like to mail him a few bars of soap for his dirty hands.  He's the one that we need to put pressure on, because he's the one that knows all and controls all.  I even feel like sending Queen Beatrice a few letters.

These are the offices or enties that DirtyHands has his hands in

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
DirtyHand can bring down all houses
DirtyHand is the key
His reach is long (see how many department he controlsHe walks in all circles (see many department he can walk in)
consort to all, except for the gods
He knows the sacrifice is not responsible


Frans DueteKom is the DirtyHand

Now we can translete Shango with the keys of Simian.

Had meeting ...., freddy info will be here soon.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD

Mrskub
Thanks for the answer about Lampe's family.  Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.

http://www.omaruba.aw/?s=35
probably works here.

or here:
http://almanak.overheid.nl/2375/Openbaar_ministerie/

he used to work here in 1997:
http://almanak.overheid.nl/2368/Directie_Wetgeving_en_Juridische_Zaken/

That Shango must be a Insider ,he knows to much
Old Indians  and people from Indonesia were also code talkers and they use it also in several wars

Obviamente e yudansa existente no ta suficiente. Pues, cada bes Aruba ta haya su mes cu un aumento di e cantidad di hoben delincuente, aumento di e variacion di delito cometi pa hoben y un aumento di cantidad di hoben delincuente di 15-18 aña. Considerando e alternativanan existente K.I.A. no ta un alternativo responsabel. Pa e motibonan aki atrobe Centro Orthopedagogico ta necesario.

Sr. Frans van Deutekom, Fiscal (pa hubentud)  di Ministerio Publico ta di opinion cu den caso di delincuencia hubenil, especialmente den casonan hopi serio, tin necesidad na yudansa profesional intramural den un setting structura, cual ta exactamente e tipo di ayudo cu un Centro Orthopedagogico lo brinda.
Instancianan profesional y Ministerio Publico ta constata cu actualmente no tin suficiente servicio profesional. Hobennan ta cana pariba pabou riba caya y ta mustra comportacion criminal. K.I.A. no ta un bon alternativa. Hobennan y comunidad ta keda desfuncional.
HELP

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:yfKLjbbasgoJ:www.minszi.aw/04170701noticia.htm+Fiscal+publico+Frans+Deutekom+Aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

maybe Deutekom is not from Germany but from an area of Holland that borders Germany. Kinda like Alsace France is a Germany area of France. That area is considered by many to have a lot of German hertiage.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mapofgermanyandholland2.jpg)

Hi Rob, I recall the incident mentioned, though I recall food as having been spit into...different excretion ...same disgusting message......I also recall Beth saying she felt as though she were being followed-think it was on the Dr. Phil show.

Hey BBster - maybe you are right, but I think I would remember if it was urination or spitting... someone call Beth up!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: PRONTO!!

whatever happened, Beth was moved and Jug decided it was for the best. I clearly remember that.

When I use IXQUICK as the search engine I get this:http://www.minszi.aw/04170701noticia.htm   ::MonkeyConfused::

Johan this is the trickie part. Who would have that type of access to the type of information?

former employee?
friend?
former friend?
wife?
family?

I'm not sure.

I also don't think Shango may have ever left Aruba and but forwarded the posts for someone else to post. The one problem with that is Shango could have used a proxy server back in 2005 and there would be no trail at all.

It's very confusing who has this motivation and why.

BBster like that  ::MonkeyCool:: Yep I recall her saying that she had to have others order her food for her because of such disgusting treatment.......so how many other people have had their food spit into I wonder?

I sure hope Tim didn't drink the Balashi!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Tyler!!!

 :geek:

Hello everyone,

When I google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"  the first hit I get is for Witherspoon Seymour and Robinson, a firm specializing is setting up corporations for offshore anonymous banking.  For Aruba, the process takes about 10 to 14 days. 

Interesting result for the search of Frans van Deutekom.

Thanks to Caesu and Johan for providing a perspective we could not have without you.

Monkeys........we need to stay focused on Deutekom.  Caps has not been wrong on any of this so far. 

In a Philadelphia Inquirer report from yesterday we learn that Beth Twitty, mother of missing teenager Natalee Holloway appears to have expressed concerns for her life as a result of certain devious elements of the population in Aruba.

    In a day of ceremonial resolutions and unanimous votes yesterday in City Council, there was one moment of genuine debate. At hand: A resolution cosponsored by Councilmen Juan F. Ramos and Jack Kelly urging Philadelphians to boycott Aruba because of alleged Aruban foot-dragging over the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

    "Evidently, Aruba doesn't work [as] well as the United States does," Kelly said. He said Holloway's mother had to have others order her food when visiting the Dutch territory because of fear that devious locals might try to poison her for her agitation over her daughter's case.

    Rising to Aruba's defense was Councilman Frank Rizzo. "The people of Aruba are good people," he said, adding that a boycott could "also be very hurtful to Philadelphia," because U.S. Airways, the ailing carrier that dominates the city's airport, flies 9,000 people there monthly.

    What Rizzo didn't mention then is that he has often been one of those people. He said he had been vacationing on the island for years and planned to buy property and possibly retire there. "I know the people, I know the politicians, I know the police chief," he said later. "They've cooperated."

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_32.html

Johan and Caesu,
How common is that last name there?  I found the following information:

I found an F. van Deutekom in a housing listing from 1908, I realize that this is much too old for what we are searching for but I'm hoping it may be a start.  If you click on the name or the address it tells who owned the property or lived there for the next several years.  When I googled the Vughterstraat address currently it is a "sex shop"  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::
When I googled the Kerkstraat 41 address it shows currently as as WI-FI Hotspot.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.bossche-encyclopedie.nl/Straten/_IndexAdresboeken1908._D.htm
Deutekom, F. van Vughterstraat 89
http://www.bossche-encyclopedie.nl/Straten/Vughterstraat.htm#P89
Deutekom, H. van (kleermaker) Kerkstraat 41
http://www.bossche-encyclopedie.nl/Straten/Kerkstraat.htm#P41

just spoke to TJ to see if he has ever heard of Deutekom - no he hasn't, but he's very interested and I just sent his picture to him.

on another note, TJ is all over the news today - he is on WSBTV.com and myatlanta.com

there was a kidnapping and the police and TJ cornered the kidnapper and the kidnapper was shot dead. Person recovered, ransom recovered - kidnapper dead. All in all a very very good day.

no, TJ did not fire the shot that killed the kidnapper.

wow this is a crazy story
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/16813234/index.html
TJ not seen in this segment.

TJ speaks here - there is a video block or I would make some screen shots.
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/16813888/index.html

last words from TJ tonight - Let's find out who this guy "Deutekom" is.

Found this on a *strange* site to say the least...FWIW...Des...


Klik hier om een link te hebben waarmee u dit artikel later terug kunt lezen.Twee honden vergiftigd in Asenray

Twee honden vergiftigd in Asenray

In Asenray zijn afgelopen woensdag twee honden overleden aan de gevolging van een vergiftiging. Daarbij is volgens dierenarts Frans van Deutekom uit Maasniel vermoedelijk arsenicum gebruikt. De honden waren eigendom van Rob van Veen die vandaag een afspraak heeft bij de politie in Roermond om aangifte te doen. Volgens Van Veen zijn zijn honden, een Yorkshire terrier en een Maltezer leeuwtje, vergiftigd door middel van worst die in zijn volkstuin aan de Duiperweg in Asenray was neergelegd. ,,We zagen de eerste verschijnselen bij een hond in ons volkstuintje. Daarna werd de tweede hond ziek. Ik ben nog als een gek naar de dierenarts gereden, maar het mocht niet meer baten."

deze reactie wilde ik er toch bij plaatsen....

Gevoel.................... schrijft Han Janssens op 12.10.07 22:51
Welke zieke geest vergiftigd honden? Belanghebbenden? Hondenhaters?
Wie het ook gedaan mag hebben, heb dan ook het lef om op te komen voor je daden!!!!
Realiseer jezelf alleen goed dat je niet de hond maar zijn baasje te pakken hebt. Hoe zal het voelen als iets overlijdt wat je koestert? Iets wat jaren een deel van je leven is geweest totdat je die ene middag gaat wandelen met je trouwe vriend(en) in Asenray....
Weet je trouwens wel hoe dat voelt?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_44185.php

Through translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/Amigoe070708.jpg)

Click here to link to this article you can later return lezen.Twee dogs poisoned in Asenray

Two dogs poisoned in Asenray

In his last Wednesday Asenray two deceased dogs to the effects of poisoning. It is veterinarian according to Frans van Deutekom from Maasniel suspected arsenic. The dogs were owned by Rob van Veen which today has an appointment to the police in Roermond to declare it. According to Van Veen his dog, a Yorkshire terrier and a Maltese leeuwtje, poisoned by means of sausage in his garden in the Duiperweg in Asenray was deposited. ,, We saw the first signs of a dog in our volkstuintje. Then the second dog was sick. I'm still like a crazy drove to the vet, but it was no longer benefits. "

I wanted this reaction when there are places ....

Feeling .................... Han writes Janssens on 12.10.07 22:51
What sick mind poisoned dogs? Interested? Hondenhaters?
Who may have done it, therefore, have the guts to stand up for your deeds!
Realize that you yourself only good but are not the dog owner to address them. How will it feel if something dies what you cherishes? Just a few years a part of your life has been one noon until you are walking with your faithful friend (s) in Asenray ....
You know how that feels you with?

I tried to make some screen shot for Johan and caesu, who might not be familiar with who TJ is, but WSBTV has some new technology that uses a floating screen and background. I have not seen this technology before and have not figured out a work around yet.

I tried a few different screen capture programs and none of them worked.

anyone have any suggestions?

"FastStone" look for last free version -  5.3.
I'll look for it!

http://www.aplusfreeware.com/categories/mmedia/FastStoneCapture.html
Not totally sure if it will work with the site you describe.

Let me see if I can capture.. hold on

ROB - there is a way to stop that from happening but I don't remember how to do it now.  Anidac figured it out a couple years ago and showed me how (on my old PC).  It's something you can change in your settings.

what's the URL?

T.J. Ward
(http://i30.tinypic.com/hstcvd.jpg)

You have to turn off the overlays...

Rob - here you go.  I did it from my old computer:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/tj3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/TJ1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/tj2.jpg)

VMS - thanks, I've done it on my new PC now too  ::MonkeyWink::

YW.

There is some background info on TJ at the link below, if anyone is interested.

Link (http://www.ajc.com/search/content/gen/nov05elections/fulton/alpharetta.html)

thanks vms, now where is the overlay? LOL

thank you too wreck . . . don't wanna for get you or Klaas - so, thanks guys and gals.

Stop upgrading your Windows. They are in the entertainment companies

pockets, and they purposely do things like that to appease people.

...and it chaps my knickers.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When the video starts playing, go to Options, then Advanced, then remove the checks from Use Overlays...both of them...

Forgot to add, Rob, you should only have to do it this one time...

vms, I use firefox 2. I down graded from firefox three because it was junk and I was getting hammered by all the pop up... it made SM a very undesirable experience. I see the options - then advance - but no overlays here. They must be called something else. I don't use IE.

Thanks again vms.

Carpe - don't chap your knickers my bro bro!!! ::MonkeyWink::

My favorite "tabbed" browser is Maxthon. It is similar to Firefox, but is much more functional "out of the box" without adding a lot of plug-ins. It has a great pop-up blocker as well as an ad or content filter. It is IE based, but is VERY secure.

I know zilch about firefox but my settings are under Window Media Player...

vms is right, WIN MEDIA player is the heart of the problem, I think.

I ran into that problem once or twice. It started after a WIN MEDIA player

upgrade!

>still chapped.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROB - when the video starts playing, right mouse click so you get this screen:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/vid1.jpg)

Then click on OPTIONS. Then unclick the OVERLAY boxes:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/vid2.jpg)

I think I fixed it - it was called a GASO cookie that prevents the overlays from being deactivated. I guess we'll see the next time around.

Thank you all very much.

my compliments - use as much as you like, I have more if you need it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/chapstick1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Chapstick 2.0!!!!

My FAVORITE.

You DA MANNNN

Thank you Klaas, it's working now.

Well, that took my mind off of hating Aruba fer a little bit... somehow the Sloot hatred was still front and center  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've upgraded to Chapstick 2.5, it comes with Blue-Ray Technology  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hmmm I notice someone on the sitemeter from :   
Bangkok, Krung Thep

Why don't you come in and visit for awhile?

page 8...think it is anyone we know?

Hmmm, let me look  ::MonkeyWink::

Good catch BB!

If the FBI only had us on the case *officially....

I am still far behind on reading, but I just wanted to let you guys know that the site meter on my site used to have alot of Radboud University Nijmegen on it.  Don't know what that means but many of the hits from the netherlands came from there.

I cant get the url to work but there is a catamaran called Deutekom/DeVries from the Netherlands.   Strange huh????

I saw that and I don't think it's the catamaran's name but the last name of the 2 racers that race the catamaran.

Oh, okay, Thank you Klassend, and nite nite...

Van Deutekom is quite a common name.
well known people with this name are a comedian and a speedskater.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joep_van_Deudekom (spelled slightly different)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulien_van_Deutekom

De Vries is probably the most common name.
and Peter de Vries is the most common name in The Netherlands.
february 10th 2007 there was a National Peter de Vries-day.
62 Peter de Vries-s came together  ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://modulo15.rendered.hyves.org/45200001-45250000/45216101-45216200/45216129_5_TEbq.jpeg)
http://www.bnn.nl/page/ikheetpeterdevries
on this radio-show every week they had a Peter de Vries on.
the Peter of the Week.

some well known Peter de Vries-s:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_de_Vries

I hear about this sitemeter, but I don't know where it is or what it does.  Could someone please give me some information in sitemeter 101?  Thanks!!

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/image009MA15364474-0115.gif)  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Scroll to the bottom of the page...little rectangular button that says 'sitemeter'....

St. Maarten agreed to Dutch financial supervision.
this was a preconditition for the Dutch to allow St. Maarten to get 'status aparte', to become a country like Aruba.

http://www.nu.nl/news/1646093/20/Sint_Maarten_accepteert_financieel_toezicht_Nederland.html

Curaçao also want to become a country.
Curaçao already has Dutch financial supervision.
this led to race riots against white Dutch citizens 10 days ago.

on St. Maarten there was no opposition against the financial supervision.

Wow, thanks.  That is pretty neat.  I don't see myself, but I guess if I'm on the sitemeter then I can't be reading a thread.  I think I see you if you're Passaic.

Posted by PearlinUSA at BFN:

I am now into sitemeters!  I don't understand why I don't show up on the sitemeter.  It doesn't even show my Internet provider.  I'm a phantom.

It will only go back so far, may only show the last 100 online.  If you have been signed in all day you may not show up right now.

Ok, now I'm feeling very sad.  I don't show up on the site monitor and I just made a discovery.  Everyone has the word logged in the bottom right corner of their posts.  Mine doesn't say logged, mine has ten numbers.

That is your IP address...it doesn't show up for others to see...only you can see it..and maybe Klaas.  In your posts I don't see those numbers...I see "logged".  But on MY posts I see my numbers.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

I'm a MAC-ophile...neener...neener...neener... ::MonkeyTongue::

Win is the child of the Devil....

I have been signed in, on and off since about 5:00 this evening. 

were live the 2 K brothers exactly ?

found it

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/DEEPAKSHOUSEkopie.jpg?t=1215508927)

Johan...Is this where the blue pin is...TIA

SATISH KALPOE - 05/31/2005 WITNESS StatementSatish Sharma KALPOE born in Surinam on July 30 1986, without profession student at (H4I Colegio Arubano) and residing in Hooiberg number 91-B on Aruba. ...

no were the yellow pin is  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Operational area  

(http://www.kustwacht.an/images/stories/organisatie/operatiegebied%20kustwacht.jpg)
Organization         
 
 
The Coastguard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is a joint venture between the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and the Netherlands; the Coastguard is an organization of the Kingdom.

The Policy
No less than seventeen ministers determine the general policy. The Coastguard was created to streamline all forms of policy. The Coastguard submits the policy and annual plans, budgets and annual reports to the “Managing Minister”, the Minister of Defense.
Three Ministers of Justice determine the judicial policy of the Coastguard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Giving direction to the Coastguard via the judicial line occurs through the Attorneys General; via the general line this can be done through the intervention of the Governors of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

The mandate
The mandate of the Coastguard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is:the maritime law enforcement  (search and surveillance) and also the maritime security within the liability field, as determined in the provisional arrangement of the Coastguard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

The assignment
The assignment of the Coastguard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is twofold:
1.      Search and Surveillance and
2.      Service Rendering

Search and Surveillance is subdivided into general tasks (including the combat against drugs), border control, customs surveillance, surveillance of environment and fishery and surveillance of shipping (traffic and equipment).
Under Service Rendering we find the permanent staffing of the Rescue and Coordination Center (RCC), taking care of emergency and safety traffic (radio communication), search and rescue (SAR), and contributing in achieving a maritime contingency plan.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Search and Surveillance  that mean that they protect that area
And they can see every boat etc 24 hours a day on sonar (radar )
Everyone with a boat on Aruba knows that !
So i don't believe Joran's story  

 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I need coffee...I was sure that pin was blue before!!!!...LOL

Johan...when you posted the map of Freddy's house a ccouple of days back, do you recall if it was the Montanja 62 address or the 39F/G one...TIA

BTW...Thanks to both you and caesu...still looking for the Cap's post about Deutekom being from Germany, but I think caesu is right as to where the German came from!  It might help in a search if Caps hadn't mispelled his name at least 4 different ways... ::MonkeyHaHa::

A map of Freddy's house ?
i don't know were his house is
i know he lived not far from joran's house
enjoy your coffee !!!!!!!!!!

Johan...It was the map that had the marijuana house in it!!! From maybe Friday...I will look in my posts and see if I can find it, or if that was another day I needed more coffee!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Caesu can you find this  somewere ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/waarborgfunctie.jpg?t=1215516082)

this is the link ,but they removed it there ,very strange http://rijksbegroting.minfin.nl/rijksbegroting_nl/b0002465570d4f538e13595d44e9282bx81x42514x65.php?cycl=2006&fase=mn&hfds=40.14&usetemplate=078545a074d2eb9f6fb3ecd3c09d1281

Yes but Dompig already stated the radar was not working all that well.  However didn't he say that he knows who did come and go that night?  

On a daily basis I think, why didn't they do this?  Why didn't they do that?  Common sense says you do these things, and why didn't they?  Even our FBI they could have used to the fullest, why didn't they?  It's Aruba!  It's azz backwards, it's cover-up.  It was cover their azz mode to all who were on Aruba.  Sad, we'll never know the "real", full truth.

 

Was this the map, Mum?

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/ARUBAcopy.jpg)

Mrskub...Yes...Thank You!!!...I am thinking that Johan was probably joking about Freddy's house being the pot place!...and I took him seriously....

Johan can you please show us where Freddy's houses are...Montanja 62/2005 and 39F in 2004 and 2005...We have been trying to find out in Shango if his back yard backs on or near Joran's house at Montanja 19....TIA

Every morning those FBI agents wait for all us to log on so that they will know what to investigate each day.  ALE logs on each morning so that they will know what information to hide.

letter Hirsh ballin (Minister ) about P V E
(http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00190/Hirsch_Ballin_190013a.jpg)

translation via Google i don't know if they are happy with this   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Ministry of Justice
Directorate-General for Justice and Law Enforcement
Department of Legal Affairs and Operations
When answering the
Date and our characteristic
. Would you just
a matter in your letter
treat.
 
The Standing Committee for Justice has asked me for a few more questions to answer with
regarding my letter to your Chamber d.d. February 14, 2008, which includes answering
Earlier questions from the standing committee about Mr VdE as a result of publicity surrounding the
Holloway case.
About these questions, I am now informed by the College of Procurators-General. Partly
on the basis of this information, I can your Chamber the following messages. Here, I notice that I
questions from the members of the groups so far this same point addressing jointly
answered.
The remark in my letter of February 14 last to your Chamber that, having regard to the confidential
nature of the relevant information and in order to protect the privacy of
concerned, not in detail but only on broad outlines of what could go with Mr. VdE is
commented, prompts the members of the VVD group to ask whether the interests of
publicity and Mr V.d.E. they have been served. The members of the VVD group refer
this to the fact that Mr V.d.E. in the media under his full personal details published
and also to the sustained attention wereldbreed for the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway.
First, I note that the fact that concerned itself and other personal details
personal information widely known, does not absolve me as a governing body of the duty to
hence in my reporting to the outside world carefully and reluctant to go. In addition
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that what applies between Mr V.d.E. and the Criminal Intelligence Unit (CIE) of the
regiopolitiekorps-central Gelderland has been discussed, as CIE information, a confidential
character. Finally, since the criminal investigation into the Holloway case is not one
Dutch research but an investigation led by the Aruban public
Ministry and the matter is, to my knowledge, still not been brought clarity, I think additional
reluctance to respect when making announcements regarding this
business. These aspects, respecting the privacy of Mr VdE,
confidentiality of the information and the fact that this is still an ongoing
research, against the interests of openness mean that I believe that,
as in my letter of February 14 last , it only outlines can be
addressed.
In my letter of February 14 last I have written your Chamber that Mr V.d.E. in autumn
2007 has had contact with the regiopolitie-central Gelderland and that he no concrete
Information about the Holloway case has provided, but has indicated that Mr. VdS
opposite him perhaps might start talking about this case and his involvement.
I have your informed that the Court by Mr. VdE to his possible involvement
with the investigation condition was contrary to the Dutch policies and regulations
this matter and for that reason has been decided on the possibility of any cooperation
with him not to go, what to Mr VdE is communicated.
The members of the CDA group is asked why under the existing
regulation, such as Article 126h of the Code of Criminal Procedure (Sv) is not decided
to Mr V.d.E. burgerinfiltrant as to promote the investigation into Mr. VdS Furthermore
be asked whether cooperation with Mr. V.d.E. would have had contact with the Dutch
regulation or policy, and if so, why.
The members of the VVD group questions whether, in this case bore fruit in a proposed
(prohibited) burgerinfiltratie. Deed here, it is also sought, no longer a situation
which Mr V.d.E. one investigators could introduce to Mr VdS,
whereupon that investigators went to exercise the powers set out in Article 126j Sv?
It should be noted that decisions on deployment of Mr. VdE for
the Holloway case in the first instance would be reserved for the Aruban judicial authorities,
since the investigation into Mr. V.d.S. in the context of that case under the jurisdiction of this
authorities.
Of course, is of interest or any commitment made by Mr VdE in the Netherlands, following
of a (legal) request of the Aruban public prosecutor within the frameworks of the
Dutch laws and regulations could take place.
3 / 6
5541088/08 / 29 april 2007
Bet on a burgerinfiltrant under Article 126w Sv (the article mentioned in the question 126h
Sv focuses on infiltration by investigators) means "a person who is not
investigators, provide assistance to the detection by participating in or cooperate
to grant to a group of persons to which reasonable suspicion exists
crimes are planned or committed ". Powers to burgerinfiltratie can with other
words only be applied in case there is a criminal group of persons,
somebody inside presumably be planned or committed crimes and the deployment of the
burgerinfiltrant designed to participate in or cooperate with the group. In the present case was
However, none of those conditions met. There was no question of a group of people.
Consequently could also no question of participating in or cooperate. Finally
the alleged crime was already committed and there were no suspicions of the commission of
a new crime. Bet on Mr V.d.E. as burgerinfiltrant was therefore based on the
Dutch existing laws and regulations not possible.
Collaboration with Mr. V.d.E. For example, within the meaning of systematic information-gathering by
a citizen (Article 126v Sv) would in principle have been possible. However, the condition that mr.
V.d.E. to his co-alliance, was not compatible with the Dutch laws and
regulations.
In line with this, I also that the deployment - after introduction by Mr. VdE -- Of a
police officer who then in Article 126j Sv regular power to systematic gathering
of information (by investigators without a known is that he is acting as such) --
under the Dutch laws and regulations in principle, also would have been possible.
However, even in respect of this power is that implementing the resolution proposed by Mr.
V.d.E. to his possible involvement in the investigation condition was contrary to the
Dutch policies and regulations. Separately, State has not established that
release of the accused for such a totally unknown person to any result would
have resulted.
The members of the VVD group questions on other occasions in the autumn Mr VdE contact has been established
with the regiopolitie-central Gelderland, and specifically whether this initial contact took place during the
period that the Chief Prosecutor to Aruba half investigation ordered into the
disappearance of Holloway. Is it true, says the members of the VVD group, which VdS at that time
was already in contact with Mr V.d.E.? Had the proper channelling of information from the
Mr V.d.E. may lead to improved understanding by police and prosecutors in Aruba, was before
Mr decided VdE (I assume here is Mr. VdS intended) for the second time
to be held in connection with involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
As indicated above, the investigation into the Holloway case outside the jurisdiction of the
Dutch judicial authorities and therefore have no substantive information about
The investigation, except to the extent it publicly by the Aruban authorities
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Notices have been made.
According to official information from the Aruban authorities was - in the period that the talks
with Mr. V.d.E. have taken place, namely in October 2007 and early november 2007,
The investigation in 2005 after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was launched, still underway. First
18 december 2007, that study concluded. The investigation has just reopened after Mr.
Peter R. de Vries on January 20, 2008 the Chief Prosecutor in Aruba has informed of the
information gathered by Mr. V.d.E.
The question of transmission of the information provided by Mr VdE to improved insights to
Police and justice in Aruba could lead before Mr VdS for the second time was
detained However, I can not give judgement. Any decision on that of my
side would also significantly a speculative nature, which I for the sake of
care can neither wish to do so.
Following the notice in my letter of February 14 last that the regiopolitie Gelderland -
Middle this information was not conveyed to the Aruban police and the Aruban public
Ministry asking the members of the CDA and the VVD group-group, what the reason is
been.
As already indicated in my letter of February 14 last to Your Room was in the CIE of the
regiopolitiekorps-central Gelderland in the Netherlands already known that by the regiopolitiekorps
Rotterdam-Rijnmond assistance was given to the Aruban police and the Aruban public
Ministry in the context of its examination in the Holloway case. Because of this involvement and the
lack of direct contacts with the Aruban authorities to regiopolitiekorps
Middle-Gelderland therefore decided to pass on information to the guidance of the CIE
regiopolitiekorps relevant.
In line with this request the members of the VVD group or not for the hand had been
to the Aruban authorities to inform the authorities so that Aruba had independently
can decide on the deployment of an investigation into the meaning of the Dutch article
Sv 126j, whether or not in collaboration with Mr VdE for an initial release. Is the Minister
the members agree with this, it is still requested that an investigation of Aruba had
can be used for such a task in the Netherlands (Article 126, fourth paragraph, under a, Sv)? In
this context ask the members of the CDA group or the Aruban authorities (more)
capability than in the Netherlands case to the offer in detail. Finally
ask the members of the CDA group on the basis of which it can be concluded that if the
Prosecutor would have been informed, it is likely that the conditions nor the
there would have considered for the proposal of Mr VdE further to go.
5 / 6
5541088/08 / 29 april 2007
From the side of the College is notified me that if the information from the Dutch public
Ministry had been known, it is plausible that the Dutch public prosecutor
that the public prosecutor in Aruba would have informed.
Of the Aruban authorities under the Aruban law and regulations might have
can decide on the offer by Mr VdE to go or until the deployment of a
investigators within the meaning of Article 126j Sv could decide, not to my
assessment. Well, I would like to add that any bet on Dutch territory - which
at that time for the hand would have located there Mr VdS in that period in Netherlands
stayed - would have been possible only with the consent of the Dutch authorities and
within the frameworks of the Dutch laws and regulations. This applies also to the commitment in the Netherlands
one of investigators from Aruba, on the basis of Article 126j, fourth paragraph, under a. Sv and the
Samenwerkingsbesluit special investigative (Stb. 1999, 549). As above
above, existed because by Mr VdE Asked conditions
no options. For that reason I have in my letter of February 14 last also made the point
that if the prosecutor would have been informed, it is plausible that it nor the
conditions would have considered at the proposal of Mr VdE further to go.
In my letter of February 14 last I indicated that this issue has been no contact
with the prosecution in the Netherlands, while this, taking into account the sensitive nature of this
Case, the hand had been.
This prompts the members of the CDA Group to ask how in the future such
inschattingsfouten can be prevented. The members of the VVD group questions in this regard or
there by the public prosecutor in Arnhem and Rotterdam measures have been taken to prevent such
act in the sequel to prevent and whether the police are now aware of
Such topics in the structured dialogue with the prosecutor raised to
bring. Why would information about the disappearance of Holloway, who nearly three years the media
controlled, should not automatically fall within the working arrangements between public ministry and
Police in relation to the handling investigative, so ask the members of the VVDfractie
still.
In response to my letter of February 14 last to Your Room and identified
bottleneck that the prosecutor was not informed in this area, the Chief of
Justice at Arnhem and Rotterdam the regiopolitiekorpsen-central Gelderland respectively
Rotterdam-Rijnmond have emphasised that all the special things, and this can
as such, now in the regular consultations of the Public Ministry in the CIE's
submitted for discussion should be. In addition, at the national level, this point also among the
attention of the national meeting of CIE prosecutors.
6 / 6
5541088/08 / 29 april 2007
Finally, with regard to the question of the members of the CDA Group I or under the
ruling by Mr VdE after his interview for the Aruban program Un Dia den
Bida that he would know who the body of Natalee Holloway has thrown into the sea and that he Mr.
VdS for years would know, am willing to further research be carried out, I note that it is for
the prosecutor in Aruba, and not for me to make that assessment.
The Minister of Justice,

YEP!... ::MonkeyWink::

For Blonde...Good Morning...Took me forever, searched high and low, but I found it... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg370777#msg370777

Reply #976 on: April 03, 2008, 11:19:37 PM »Caps

I moved on but from the other direction to meet the issue of either MC or KJ both are link to one office and that office has a string to Rudy croes.

the more we reach to the center the more difficult it will get becasue of not to much issue on the key in question..

e.g. DH from germany ...very powerfull but no one have a picture.


Blonde...I have most of the Deutekom posts together...missing a conversation that I thought I recalled in the Natalee Case Discussion thread...I will start a thread for them all, and if you don't mind, would you please use your magic and post his pic for us....It won't matter when you post it, as we can always bring it forward...Thank You In Advance...

Congraulations Blonde!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for stepping up Blonde.  Good morning everyone.

I like having this place to come to, and appreciate you, Klaas.  The banana peels get pretty deep in here sometimes, and you and Red put up with a lot.  Way to keep the faith!

Congratulations Blonde! 

WOW!!! GREAT NEWS!!!

CONGRATS BLONDE

Congrads Blonde!!!!  Mum, while youre here, do you know why CAPS said "the Aircondition man knows"???

Great job Blonde and thanks for stepping up to the plate!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks for all the info in the van der straaten thread too!!!

I'm ready and  I have his picture   ::MonkeyCool::

Always1......just a guess, or I may have read something from Caps along the way,that made me think this...I thought he knew the Aircondition man, and because this guy gets around, he knows!! (Shrugging shoulders...LOL)...Or I may have just assumed this...Sorry! I honestly don't recall the first time it was mentioned...

Congrats, Blonde!


Question:

Is Menno Jan van der Straten's son?

solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=40

solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=437

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/manageArticle.do?dispatch=view&id= (http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=40

solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=437

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/manageArticle.do?dispatch=view&id=)

Ok, thanks mum!!!

Investment from tax-haven island nations under lens
8 Jul, 2008, 0100 hrs IST,Rajat Guha, ET Bureau


NEW DELHI: The government is planning to scrutinise investments flowing in from tax havens such as Andora, Aruba, Bahamas, Costa Rica and Dominica where investor details remain confidential due to banking policies.

According to sources in the department of industrial policy and promotion (Dipp), the government is concerned about Indian residents parking money in the island nations to route them back for investments. There are also mounting fears of money being used for terror funding and laundering activities.

Investments in the nations do not get reported as the island countries maintain banking secrecy and do not reveal the nature of investments.

Intelligence agencies have expressed fears that funds from such places were flowing into the stock market through participatory notes issued by foreign institutional investors.

“We need to crack down on such investments. Intelligence authorities and National Security Council (NSC) would assist in tracking such investments,” a government source said, adding that most such funds flow into the real estate sector.

According to estimates, funds from such nations flowing into the real estate sector totalled $150 million. Although the money through the route may be a paltry amount compared to $2-billion FDI in 2007-08, the government fears this is just the beginning of an impending influx.

The government’s move comes months after revelations by German government intelligence authority BND about ill-gotten wealth to tune of millions being parked in Liechtenstein, a tax haven near Germany. Countries like Canada, Italy, India and the US have expressed interest in accessing information on the funds parked in Liechtenstein.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Finance/Investment_from_tax-haven_island_nations_under_lens/articleshow/3208515.cms

LOL...You have no idea how many posts we have on this guy!!!

I have been scared to start as I have found them all over the place in Shango...and I know I missed some as I had to go back for the Germany as it didn't have his name in it...just DH...We can add any others we find later...Thanks!

One more cuppa and I'll go for it!!!  Thanks!!!


Vms...I think so...He works In one of the hotels....IIRC...will check my notes and see if I saved it!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/MennoVDSraten.jpg)

Wow!! I had forgotten about the site meter and where it was, that is fascinating!!!

Thanks, Mum.
He looks like Eefje, IMO...

ok...now call me blonde...no offense Blonde!! Mine has a small "b" lol

I am reading Dave's book again to refresh my memory of went happened early on. I had no idea the bird sanctuary was right next to the Mc D's. Dave talked about almost losing his shoes walking through the mud and believing that is where joran lost his. Just out of curiosity, can anyone show the bird sanctuary on the map for me? I wish the Persistance crew had been able to use the sonar there.

Another thing that hit me this time. Dave talks about a psychic in chapter three. Although he had difficulty believing in psychics, this one knew some details about Ntalee that surprised him. One of the last things she said was that Natalee said she was buried at sea "by the work that they do".  She also said though that she was so emotionally involved with Natalee that it was hard for her to read the clues she felt Natalee was sending her.

Any hoo...when I read "by the work that they do" sent chills down my spine...for some reason made me think of van der straaten again. He was able to dispose of Natalee "by the work that he did".

Exactly SS!!!

I think so too...All I did was bookmark the google page to go back and look at again, a gentle reminder! LOL...I checked my notes on Eefje and nothing there either, except she has 5 kids. I just realised I didn't save the link here at SM on the previous discussions!!! I recall we found 2 boys connected to some sort of watersports...

Great!  Congrats Blonde!  Welcome to Mod World!  I know Klaas has to appreciates having you, as the rest of us do! 

Thank you for stepping up!

Here is a photo from webshots along with the description from the photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/birdsanct.jpg)

Palm Beach high-rise hotel area. Westin hotel is in the forefront, behind RIU Aruba Palace hotel that is presently under construction. Image is taking at Bubali bird sanctuary.

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2759665680100191119FJedxZ

thanks Klaas. You are so handy-dandy!!

So is it right by the McD's also?

Klassend, I found some info  about Deutekom but the url is so long - in Google Search, I typed "Dossier+Fran Van Deutekom and it gives articles in Dutch about him.....

Yes, it would be right near McD's as well. 

LOL You are muddying the dirty hand waters now.  :roll:

Go ahead and post the link, or copy the link and go to www.tinyurl.com and make the URL shorter.  Either way.

Wow, I thought the bird sanctuary was further from the hotels & McD's....

Congrats, Blonde....

WWW.korps-poltie-suriname./com

rofl

Bird Sanctuary Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/birdsanctuarymap.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/birdsanctuarysatallite.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/birdsanctuaryaerial.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/BirdSanc2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/BirdSanc1.jpg)

I thought it was on the other side of the island!!!

He talks about the lilly pads being strong enough to hold down a body. I just wondered if it could have been a temp place they could have put Natalee that night.

always can you post that link ?

Blonde toppie !

Morning Lisa...she no longer works there...now she has a school of some sort!...Going Blonde.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom: Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:
LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT
It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.
Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005

Finally put that sucker on my toolbar...thanks for reminding me about it Klaas!

thanks klaas, that really helped.

There is another story about Deutekom working for a radio station - that cant be right.   http://www.dejournalist.nl/pers...

I believe it was Caesu that explained that Deutekom or van Deutekom is a fairly common name in the NL

This story is about Frank....must be another person:

http://www.dejournalist.nl/personalia/bericht/frank-van-deutekom-eindredacteur-radionieuws-omroep-west/

But the first story is about Fran Van Deutekom .

mum in Ohio
i cant find this  :
Johan can you please show us where Freddy's houses are...Montanja 62/2005 and 39F in 2004 and 2005...We have been trying to find out in Shango if his back yard backs on or near Joran's house at Montanja 19....TIA


i know were montanja is ::MonkeyHaHa:: but it it is not easy to find the house nr 's

I'm sorry, always 1....I only saw a Lidy Deutekom in the first article in your 2nd link, besides Frank.....I was unsuccessful finding your first link.

I have been told that Freddy's mother lives around the corner and down the street a bit from Joran and that Freddy calls 7A Catiri his home.  More confusion, I know.

always somethimes you can find something in a pdf file
then you have to use a online pdf convertor

Frans van Deutekom  lived in Nijmegen that is on the border with Germany

WOOHOO Good Morning Monks!  Blonde thank you so much for stepping up....much appreciated by some of us who have been in lurkdom!! If feels good to be back in the cage!  Now if someone can get our Dutch poster back!!  PLEASE COME BACK! Hopefully some others who have been with me in lurkdom will now come out into the light!  LOL

....my son's father name is van Deutekom.....I  have emailed him to see if this guy is related or if he knows anything about him...since we  are on good terms ::MonkeyCool:: he will reply and hopefully will know this van Deutekom or someone who might.

I knew it ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sunny is related to "dirtyhand", LOL   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hope this helps.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/birdsanctuary.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sounds more like she was a bird on the wire, who flew away.

Here's a link that shows most buildings. Just scroll over the boxes with your mouse. The VDS house is to the right, midway on the bird sanctuary level.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5652869&lon=-70.034709&z=15&l=0&m=a&v=2

Thanks Mrskub - that's a good map to save  ::MonkeyWink::

EEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK only by ex-hubby if true!  LOL  You knew it???  why the heck didn't you tell me!  LOL ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yep...the boy grew into a wonderful man....but it took waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long!!

Thanks mrskub...good map!!

Klaas & Sunny, Your most welcome. I don't contribute much here and when I can, I feel privileged to be a part of this extraordinary group!

Blonde, congratulations. You certainly deserve the promotion!

mrskub, I was about to post about your map, as well, but had to reboot.  Sunny beat me to it, but I always appreciate your posts.  Thanks.

Won't load for me..is it working for everyone else?

that is just too cool!!!!

So no MC'D's?  Dave says in the book that the door to the bird sanctuary is right nect to it. Are there 2?

I don't remember seeing this picture of joran before....he is in someone's pica album.I'll see if I remember how to insert images here......

Here is the website....lot's of images,some may have joran in them or at least it looks a little like him in the thimbnail images.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_NlBMrdk53D8/SBO_n3uuPuI/AAAAAAAAFDA/UoFP3cMdofs/P1050947.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WVNZpvl79Bx27rNLsI5AHw&h=1600&w=1200&sz=15&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=9HL-4-lRBSTn9M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBangkok%252BJoran%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8

Not sure why you think no McD's but there is one near the hotels, not far from the Bird Sanctuary:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/birdsanctuary.jpg)

I don't use it

Welcome to the ModSquad Blonde! ::cartwheel::

Quick poll...
 
 
Crime Scene:
(1) Beach.
(2) VanderSloot home.
(3) Other... Where? ___________

Body Disposal:
(1) Same night.
(2) Following night.
(3) Days later.
(4) Other... When? ___________

Disposal Site:
(1) Ocean.
(2) Landfill.
(3) Incinerator.
(4) Other... Where? ___________

Joran: "I was lying when I said that I lied; and, because of my previous lies, everyone thinks that I lie a lot, and that is no lie."

2
3
1

Link for all the Deutekom posts found so far….

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3036.new#new


Klaas or TexasMom….Do you recall a previous discussion in the Natalee Holloway thread at all please?  TIA

If anyone finds any I missed would they please post them over there…TIA


Blonde…done….Thanks

Johan…how can we help with your map…what would you need to mark Freddy’s house…TIA...I really want to know where that darn house is!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Johan…[/b]how can we help with your map…what would you need to mark Freddy’s house…TIA...I really want to know where that darn house is!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

were the helllllllll is that house  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Caps made some sort of drawing and I posted the link in Shango a week or so ago...I will see if I can find it...but then I can't post the drawing...

Question...did you find Joran's by putting in the address? 

MUM - to my knowledge you can't find addresses in Aruba like you can in the US.  You can't put Montanja 19 like you could in Mapquest or something and get the address.  Maybe some day but I don't think you can right now.

loaded for me...no problem at all

2
2 & 3
2 then 1

Thanks klaas...that is what I thought and we don't have a good enough pic of Freddy's house to try and find it. I believe the one we have is the 39F address and that went up for sale. Lilian was on the Chamber list for 2005 at the Montanja 62 address. 2004 for 39F...I am looking for Cap's drawing...

I like yours better than my plain "2-3-1" -- she was burried somewhere "the following night" and moved (at least once) -- finally to the ocean

Johan...there are two drawings with house numbers and a map right down the bottom of the page at the link...Not sure if it will help at all...Thanks anyway...



Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2699 on: February 25, 2008, 10:03:10 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680

OK thanks, still not getting it ....will switch computers and see if it helps.

can you postthat drawing  mummie ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

ok....no pic,go to site to see.


Good God!
This is my 4th try at posting this...and last.I keep losing the dang posts :(
ANYWAY.....I got the thumbnail pic to show up fullsized and unblurred...looks like a fake joran and I think we have all been duped!
WTH.....won't let me post the stupid pic....even though it's a jpeg.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

A N Y W A Y.......this is the title of the pic and the tiny whatever to the page it was on.I give up.
Onze Joran vd Sloot

http://tinyurl.com/5jb43o

Ask the neighbors if they've seen Freddy the Locoman Pimp. ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.freewebs.com/gerben-femke/contact.htm

Thanks Wreck
:)

I found this in my files....

Freddy's House and Silver Car

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/FreddyHouseCar.jpg)

who are they ?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/dvr01/Sketch20suspect20with20Croes.jpg)

Johan - think it's Strawberry left - Croes on the right and the sketch taken of
perp. who tried to assault a tourisn the beach a night or two before Natalee disappeared.
Wonder why they are holding that sketch?

Jerry Strawberry on left in photo(does anyone recall his real name?) used to DJ at Tamarin. He is a friend of Steve Croes, also fit the description very closely (sketch ) of perpetrator of alleged assault of another tourist on beach near Marriott. Steve Croes -right.

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Drawing of man who tried to rape a tourist by the fishermans huts IIEC

Cheremy Croes

sorry, my bad..they are not holding the sketch which bears an uncanny resemblance to Strawberry

yes the guy left what is his real name ??

Porky Pig...?

His real name is Cheremy Croes, supposedly related in some way to Steve Croes.

try pressing ctrl + the link.  sometimes i have to do that.
dennisintn

(http://img251.echo.cx/img251/5235/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbvxjd5i8j.jpg)

He looks like Joran but I'm not sure if it's him or not. {{{EDIT to Add Picture}}}

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/P1050947.jpg)

Johan, the guy to the left of the girl is Quincy, a Steve Croes look a like.

Quincy on the right.

(http://photos1.hi5.com/0006/707/473/APNRc9707473-02.jpg)

http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?photoId=693990912&ownerId=616197&albumId=13399485

Thanks Pita - I hate to go through the Quincy/Steve stuff again, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL....I understand.

Not Joran - IMO

In fact, I have never seen Joran look "normal" or "happy" in ANY pic. He always looks drunk, stoned, or stupid in every legitimate picture I have ever seen of him.

  Vms...

« Reply #2605 on: February 25, 2008, 01:21:30 PM » 

this is a current database

 Canlas   Teoderico   7/1/1951   Angeles City   Montanja 62
Lacle   Mateo   9/21/1923   Aruba   Montanja 62A
Cratsz   Philip S   9/28/1971   Curacao   Montanja 62C
Cratsz, geb. Ras   Rita E   2/8/1965   Aruba   Montanja 62C
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D
Wu   Huan Z   7/10/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen G   4/14/1976   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen Y   11/8/1973   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu, geb. Liu   Yue Y   11/2/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E

Pita...Caps said no F and this is who is at G...


Reply #2602 on: February 25, 2008, 01:10:36 PM »   
 
wel look at this

Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Paramaribo                Montanja 39C
Aruba                             Montanja 39C
distrikt Commewijne   Montanja 39C
Aruba                            Montanja 39E
Los Taques               Montanja 39G
Punta Cardon               Montanja 39G
Eindhoven              Montanja 39G
Utrecht                           Montanja 39G

Where is the F adress ????

Thank you Blonde
I don't think that's joran unless......his head grew more only at the top lol
That's it....he's about to explode.
:)

Not Joran IMO.  He does look enough like Joran to fool people though, and I believe that this photo is from a Thailand album:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/JoranNo.jpg)

ha ha yes it is old stuff ::MonkeyHaHa::

My whole point was that this isn't joran BUT this guy was partying with those girls in Bankok where joran supposedly is.The girl(on her web site)even had the pic titled joran van der sloot.
What I'm trying to say is IMO THIS guy is the guy on that island nekkid and trying to wag something around that he doesn't have lmao.....I think I need a nap.

Gerben & Femke?
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D


I don't know. I didn't translate their blog. Looks like they may be teachers living in Aruba or something. I just saw their Montanja 62-D address and thought they must know who lives at #62.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Klaas
This pic is from a girl's pica album....I posted the link a page or 2 back.Looks like they were on a party free for all boat.Maybe this fake joran was on that island and stated he was about to get on his yatt or however you spell it....maybe he was joking that the party boat was his yatt.I dunno...tired now.

Maybe Destiny will call them and ask if they can help Johan find their house!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ringy-ding...ringy-ding...Hello?...this is Destiny calling...would you mind doing a really big favor for me?  Go up on your roof and paint it bright orange...so Johan can take photos from space, so he can see where your house is...you Will?????!!!

Why Thank You!  Fraunzzzz  Doodiekom said you would be more than happy to help....Good Bye...