Natalee Case Discussion #763 7/6 - 7/11

[LilPuma]

Morning Monkeys.

I've always wanted to know if the FBI saw the sample they were given taken from the car.  I doubt it.  I did see some kind of true crime show on TV and they showed a car with blood stains, long after the crime took place.  There was no mistaking it for chocolate.  Even dried it looked reddish and sort of watered down.  A police officer who has seen traffic accidents would know the difference.  At the very least, they wouldn't announce "blood in the car" if there was some question.  Assuming there was blood in the back seat of Deepak's car, he had to have that back seat switched out.  Traces of blood would still show up, especially on porous fabric rather than a hard surface.   No doubt in my mind that the back seat that Natalee Holloway sat in has been incinerated. 

Joran's crazy.  Joran's a devil.   And the Kalpoes didn't have the backbone to help. 

This topic has been analyzed before.  I hope you can nail something down. 

[dennisintn]

[quote

Glenda wrote:


I never swore on anything... I know that Beth et al told us that he was DEA... Beth pointed him out as such, and I recognized him a home owner in Wayaka Residence. Mistaken identity?  Either way... DEA agents outed are either DEAD or not DEA agents.

 

[/quote]

roflmfao, "DEA agents outed are either DEAD or not DEA agents"  quote by glenda/renfro.  this is the person who ran a picture of the man in her paper identifying him as a dea agents eric williams.  what a thinker they have there.
dennisintn

[Pita]

JOHAN555:  You have the "new houses" marked in the wrong location on the first photo - they are actually off the bottom end of the photo. The area you have marked as "new houses" in the first photo is actually the street above the new homes in the second photo.

To answer your question about when they were built, a lot of the development was completed with people living there at the time of Natalee's disappearance.

The first pic is the situation in jan 2005 just behind Deepak's house .
The Pics 2&3 is the situation now
Why were the Kalpoe's cleaning their car so late ?

I am looking for information when they started with the new project just behind their house .

Sleuth thank you !
I only mark the position were the houses are now on pic 1 ( i haven't another pic )
you said :
To answer your question about when they were built, a lot of the development was completed with people living there at the time of Natalee's disappearance.
So did they start there in 2005 and in witch month ?
Did the change the road there ?
So were can i find such information ?
Because it is possible the dump a body under a road or a house

This plot of homes looks like the Aruba Vacation Park.

http://www.arubahaystack.com/en/hpanoramagr.en.html

http://www.arubahaystack.com/en/welcome.html

[carpe noctem]

Dirt-pock's ever changing Honda?

Two different side-mirror styles.

Two totally different chrome rim styles.

JUXTAPOSITION:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/untitledDDDTGRY.png

[Rob]

You think if they were gonna try that sh--, they could at least make

the effort to go all they way and swap out the side mirror package!!!

we're dealing with some real retardos here. They totally suck at the cover-up. I have some other minor items that prove it's not the same car, but to me it's already proven.

I don't even think they are the same color. Minor shade difference.

[carpe noctem]

Dirt-pock Honda Montage

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/F5wwwwe.jpg

Hi Bro - one more - lookee, they don't even have the same front end after-market grill. One has an extension and the other is hollow.

This is just wicked ridiculous, Rob.

[dennisintn]

Natalee's Freebirds have pointed out the # of spokes in the wheel covers, just like discussed here, long ago.  Details that a good detective would be expected to find in an investigation....

if it was anywhere but aruba, i would assume that vin numbers would be checked and recorded as part of the search and inspection.  history does not allow us to make that assumption though.
dennisintn

[Rob]

This is just wicked ridiculous, Rob.

Carpe, the real question here is - WHERE THE HECK WAS DEEPAK'S HONDA TAKEN WHILE THIS CAR SAT AT THE ALE IMPOUND / STATION?

[LilPuma]

Maybe I have my dates mixed, up, but wasn't it on May 30th that Deepak's car was seen at the Sloots when Beth and Jug arrived?  Didn't Deepak meet Joran and drive him home when Beth arrived at the Sloot residence?  So how could his car be at Automotive Enterprises the night of May 30th?  Maybe Deepak had already been given a different car?  Easy enough to put the plates on a similar car. 


One more thought on this.  There's another vehicle with Natalee's DNA  in it.  Whether Daury or Paulus or Lorenzo, when the time came to make sure there was no body, no case, someone had to provide transportation whether it was to a boat or somewhere on land.   

[carpe noctem]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Natalee's Freebirds have pointed out the # of spokes in the wheel covers, just like discussed here, long ago.  Details that a good detective would be expected to find in an investigation....

if it was anywhere but aruba, i would assume that vin numbers would be checked and recorded as part of the search and inspection.  history does not allow us to make that assumption though.
dennisintn

Absolutely, Dennis....

[carpe noctem]

I take that back, the left side of her face is the side that appears hit. The initial head injury
may have been on the left side.

[Rob]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

of course, but did they do that? That's kinda what I wanna know. We all know they're crooked as all heck down there, and they use their "sovereignly nation status" as their excuse.

how could anyone confiscate the wrong car? that's deliberate, no other reason.

[Rob]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

of course, but where did they do that? That's kinda what I wanna know. We all know they're crooked as all heck down there, and they use their "sovereignly nation status" as their excuse.

how could anyone confiscate the wrong car? that's deliberate, no other reason.

self edit - I left out an entire word. That worse than my usual typos 

[LilPuma]

Maybe I have my dates mixed, up, but wasn't it on May 30th that Deepak's car was seen at the Sloots when Beth and Jug arrived?  Didn't Deepak meet Joran and drive him home when Beth arrived at the Sloot residence?  So how could his car be at Automotive Enterprises the night of May 30th?  Maybe Deepak had already been given a different car?  Easy enough to put the plates on a similar car. 


One more thought on this.  There's another vehicle with Natalee's DNA  in it.  Whether Daury or Paulus or Lorenzo, when the time came to make sure there was no body, no case, someone had to provide transportation whether it was to a boat or somewhere on land.   

Just clarifying my own post.  Klaas posted from Natalee's Freebirds: 

In the night time hours of May 30th, Deepak's vehicle was deposited with Automotive Enterprises - a time during which Deepak told law enforcement he was at work.

Because I had worked in the past on the car of Deepak, he approached me to keep z/n its car for him in my garage in the "Automotive Enterprises established" at Wayaca for him. I must note that I in the past the car of Deepak had twice left his car in my garage when I worked on it. With the car of Deepak I mean the grey four door private car of the make "Honda Civic".

On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following:

At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak(Witness Statement given by OF Osman August 6, 2005)

[LilPuma]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

of course, but did they do that? That's kinda what I wanna know. We all know they're crooked as all heck down there, and they use their "sovereignly nation status" as their excuse.

how could anyone confiscate the wrong car? that's deliberate, no other reason.

Deepak takes his car to AE, is given another similar car, tags are switched, registration papers for vehicles switched.  Police impound the second car; Natalee was never in that car.  Somewhere there should be a record of the vehicle serial number of the car Deepak bought.  Possibly doesn't match the car he's been driving for the last 3 years.  Don't know how else it could be proven. 

[Rob]

To be completely cleaned of her blood, from her major right side head wound.

of course, but did they do that? That's kinda what I wanna know. We all know they're crooked as all heck down there, and they use their "sovereignly nation status" as their excuse.

how could anyone confiscate the wrong car? that's deliberate, no other reason.

Deepak takes his car to AE, is given another similar car, tags are switched, registration papers for vehicles switched.  Police impound the second car; Natalee was never in that car.  Somewhere there should be a record of the vehicle serial number of the car Deepak bought.  Possibly doesn't match the car he's been driving for the last 3 years.  Don't know how else it could be proven. 

Deepak's Honda in 2007


2007 Aruba License plate


Deepak's Honda multiple images


2008 Aruba License plate


2005 Aruba License plate

[Rob]

just stumbled onto this - anyone ever heard of it before?
http://www.littledavidaruba.com/

>>>

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[mrskub]

From the Kalpoe vs. McGraw case, 3 documents re: blood search in Deepak's car. Why were these sent to Holland when other DNA samples went to the FBI?


Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba


Name/Title: DNA comparison
File No: 2005.06.10.113
Date: 11 July 2005
Pages:12
Writer/Initiator: M. van der Scheer/Dr. RJ Bink/
Description: DNA comparison (between blood samples and Deepak Kalpoe's car seat samples)
Source: NFI
Lab nr: none
Location: Den Haag, Holland


Name/Title: Car seat investigation
File No: 2005.06.10.113/a
Date: 30 August 2005
Pages: 5 (1 attachment)
Writer/lnitiator. Dr.J Bink
Description: forensic analysis on car seat of Deepak Kalpoe's car
Source: NFI
Lab nr:
Location: `s Gravenhage Netherlands



Also from the same documents, could this automotive employee have anything to do with the professional cleaning of Deepak's car?

Name: OSMAN FAROUK OSMAN
Date: 20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: DENNIS JACOBS/ ERIC SOEMBRS
Description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee

[LilPuma]

Tags can be switched in minutes.  I'm talking about the VIN.