Lively Case Discussion #590 3/16 - 3/19/2007

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Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Medleyrelay and Glenda - read this!  

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

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Translation posted at RU by Arubagirl today:

Article about remarks from Advocate General made about the case

Just in case anybody's interested.

Advocate General Mr. Jorg Questioned Attacks of Mr. Van Der Sloot Against Public Ministery [Department of Justice]
In front of plenty of lawyers in the courtroom

Oranjestad - Something unusual happened Tuesday morning during the swearing-in ceremony of the three Scribes to the Court who are Maikel Oduber, Navio Valdez and Edwin de Weever and the three lawyers mr. Foy, mr. Vis and mr. Bryson.

What happened is that Advocate General mr. Jorg, in front of all the lawyers present, among them mr. Van Der Sloot as well, decided to question the statement of Mr. Van Der Sloot that was published in Amigoe. The reaction of Mr. Jorg was a surprise to all thouse present and especially to mr. Van Der Sloot himself.

Bon Dia Aruba was present when mr. Jorg was to give a speech related to the lawyers that had been sworn in. At a certain moment the speech changed to the subject about the relationship between advocacy and the Department of Justice.

Mr. Jorg expressed himself in a very diplomatic way, but to everybody present it was very clear that he was referring to mr. Van Der Sloot. He questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot went to look for publicity by giving a statement to Amigoe and make certain statements that mr. Jorg never experienced. He refers here to the fact that lawyers and prosecutors publicly refer to each other as idiots. Mr. Jorg said that he hopes that this not become a habit. He said that he thinks we won't come very far by insulting each other. He made a call to change these actions to a better way to relate to each other.

Mr. Jorg also questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot attacked the Department of Justice for being out of balance, without management, untrustworthy and without any kind of ethics. Mr. Jorg remarked that these are large words but they demand arguments to show this as well. He finds that the argument cannot only consist of comparing the importance of finding the missing young lady against "all sorts of idiocy" from the other side. Mr. Jorg said that he can't unattach finding the young lady from the search for those people who are responsible for her disappearance. Especially when certain people are contradicting themselves and others about their role around the crucial moments during the disappearance.

Mr. Jorg continued to say that what he finds very strange is that on one hand the magistrates of the Department of Justice get questioned but on the other hand the Police get accused of not "have followed through" with the interrogation of a suspect. Mr. Jorg referred to the fact that in the Code of Criminal Procedings, a suspect has the right to remain silent. If this

is violated, then the case can even appear in front of the European Human Rights court. He thinks this observation [referring to the police] is absurd.

He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.


-Bon Dia Aruba March 15 Page A3




   

[msmarple]

He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

How indeed, Paulus?

[igsigs]

Must have been a tough call for Pravda...err...Bon Dia to print this.

Jorg is defending the *system*, though. Maybe the Sloot/Aruba seperation is finally happening.

[Sue]

Paul needs to be removed from practising law period.. he is a bigger disgrace to this whole ordeal

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This was in Diario back in January:

Posted: Tue Jan 16th, 2007 06:53 am
Some say the decision could come sooner, but the official word is that it will come on February 6, 2007 in the morning.

Yesterday the supreme court handled the case in which the Prosecutor's Office appealed the case in which mr. P. vd S. was awarded over Afls. 50.000,- in a case where the judge agreed that there was no reason for his detention. When the Prosecutor's Office appealed the case, the lawyers for vd. S. also did the same.

The Prosecutor's Office, defended by mr. Jorg insisted that vd. S. was not entitled to any money, since there were reasons to detained the person, but the lawyer for vd. S. mr. Swaen refused this and said that the amount due is nothing compared to the damages his client suffered during this ordeal.

The three judges will evaluate the case and the decision made in Curacao next month.

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I'm just shocked as to how in the f*** I guy who was not too long ago a suspect in the disappearance (and assumed murder) of an American girl be in any way imployed by a justice system...regardless of how irrellevant that country is?

Anyone?

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I'm just shocked as to how in the f*** I guy who was not too long ago a suspect in the disappearance (and assumed murder) of an American girl be in any way imployed by a justice system...regardless of how irrellevant that country is?

Anyone?

He has friends in high places (Rudy Croes, Nelson Oduber).  That's how it works.

[Buckeye]

This was in Diario back in January:

Posted: Tue Jan 16th, 2007 06:53 am
Some say the decision could come sooner, but the official word is that it will come on February 6, 2007 in the morning.

Yesterday the supreme court handled the case in which the Prosecutor's Office appealed the case in which mr. P. vd S. was awarded over Afls. 50.000,- in a case where the judge agreed that there was no reason for his detention. When the Prosecutor's Office appealed the case, the lawyers for vd. S. also did the same.

The Prosecutor's Office, defended by mr. Jorg insisted that vd. S. was not entitled to any money, since there were reasons to detained the person, but the lawyer for vd. S. mr. Swaen refused this and said that the amount due is nothing compared to the damages his client suffered during this ordeal.

The three judges will evaluate the case and the decision made in Curacao next month.

During searching, found that Jorg has written lots of chapters in legal texts and also chaired the topic on Juvenial Delinquency at a recent symposium (in France?).  Also seems to be Theresa Croes replacement.

[Kimmy53]

Somebody please pass Paulus a towel, he seems to be sweating again!  

Maybe this Mr.Jorg is a thorn in PVDS' side????

[Buckeye]

Somebody please pass Paulus a towel, he seems to be sweating again!  

Maybe this Mr.Jorg is a thorn in PVDS' side????

With his backround in Juvenial Delinquency, I'm guessing that Nico Jorg will not be introducing any of his daughters to the Sloot boys...

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Wrongfull convictions in the Netherlands and in Aruba
By dr Nico Jörg, Advocate-General for Aruba
at the Joint Court of Justice for the Dutch Antilles and Aruba

http://www.isrcl.org/Papers/2006/Jorg.pdf

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http://www.eur.nl/english/pressroom/releases/2006/october2006/criminalcode/

New Criminal Code for the Netherlands Antilles
The Criminal Code of the Netherlands Antilles is in urgent need of modernisation, and a revised edition is now being prepared. On Thursday 5 October 2006, an expert meeting will be held at Erasmus University Rotterdam to discuss progress. It will include the first public presentation of a proposal for the general section of the new Criminal Code (book 1).

(snipped)

[justinsmama]

Must have been a tough call for Pravda...err...Bon Dia to print this.

Jorg is defending the *system*, though. Maybe the Sloot/Aruba seperation is finally happening.

I sure hope this is the case, Iggy.

[Patti]

HI, Monkeys!

I am absolutely exhausted... been in court all day, myself.  Hope every-
thing is going well for you all.

Have a Nice Holiday Weekend!

                   

[San]

Medleyrelay and Glenda - read this!  

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

     

[San]

Medleyrelay and Glenda - read this!  

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

     

Paulus finds himself in uncomfortable positions when he doesn't have time to prepare.  I guess next time he needs a 9 day notice before someone can question him on his actions.

Paulus is a big sneak and he got what he deserved.  I am surprised that Rudy Croes didn't have something to say about this and protect his buddy Paulus.

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Medleyrelay and Glenda - read this!  

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

     

Wonder if PVDS felt like a child again, lol  

[Cat]

well as Mr.S.King said 'Corruption. ' Now we need Scales and thinner.cat