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Pfft!!! the door slammed in my face

As I was saying, Part 6 is not translated yet, can anyone understand what Mr. Flores is saying?

Excellent!  I needed to go ahead and make the thread change and I didn't want anyone to lose a long post they might have been getting read to post.  It's just harder to try to do thread changes with the high traffic if I keep getting thrown out...  Thanks for everyone's patience.

Mine too!  waaaaa!

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/mXDtQIivZXo
what number is this one?

Thanks Muffy!

Ooops, I'm sorry but  I did give several warnings...it's just really hard to do thread changes with the high traffic. 

Just so impressed with Monkeys' memories of all the awful events of 2005+.  I always remember Dave Holloway digging in the trash dump under that blazing sun and also his watching the concrete barrel being brought to shore.  Wonder if Anita is getting nervous that Joran might spill the beans on her and what she has known all along. 

Hubby getting nervous I'm getting sucked back into this and maintains his original stance - "Remove him from the gene pool...."

No worries MuffyBee!  (((hugs)))

You're the best BEE!

YW Klaasend.

Hi Monkeys! I caught up just as Muffy was doing a fine job changing threads!

About the coffee........... if Joran didn't go get coffee, how did he have breakfast over Stephany's body?

Klaas or Muffy ~ Could one of you please bring TerryD's last posting over here?  It is on page 99, right before the thread change.

It is too funny ~ I enjoy the mental picture he paints.

Thanks.

Thank you texasmom.

That and how did he get the bread?

My post was a short one...no biggie! I was watching the video. Can't understand what Mr. Flores is saying right now, but I really admire him.

Thy dint release the video before 8:35 am.

Right. I can't imagine that Joran would make up something to appear MORE calloused to investigators, but it's Joran, so who knows?

Since he'd been there two weeks, I would think he might have had some food in the room.
JMO
Mr. Flores stated that a receipt was found for the two coffees, not sure when they were purchased.

When Aruban authorities became aware that Joran van der Sloot was about to flee ... crimes committed on Aruban soil should have dictated that ... at this point ... Joran was detained.

As I have always maintained ... the Aruban enemy has had a cover up agenda to protect Joran from the getgo.  There was no way ALE was going to stand in the way of Joran avoiding extradiction to the United States and risk the Natalee Holloway investigation from being exposed for what it was ... CORRUPT.

Could it be that Joran received a heads up from Aruban Authorities?  Could it be that he was instructed ... as Klaas would say ... "Get out of Dodge?"

Janet

aw Muffy, I should have added my ; )

OMG!  Did I just read in the last thread that Shango had a heart attack?  Well, at least part of Shango in the opinion of some of us.

Not sure about the Shango part, but this is what I posted, lol.  I added the date and page to the newspaper article also.

When Aruban authorities became aware that Joran van der Sloot was about to flee ... crimes committed on Aruban soil should have dictated that ... at this point ... Joran was detained.

As I have always maintained ... the Aruban enemy has had a cover up agenda to protect Joran from the getgo.  There was no way ALE was going to stand in the way of Joran avoiding extradiction to the United States and risk the Natalee Holloway investigation from being exposed for what it was ... CORRUPT.

Could it be that Joran received a heads up from Aruban Authorities?  Could it be that he was instructed ... as Klaas would say ... "Get out of Dodge?"

Janet

That's what I think too Janet. Actually, he would have been a lot better off had they detained him. American or Aruban prison seems like a cake walk compared to what he is in for now.

Aruba Public Prosecutor not informed about Joran’s statementPublished on 11 June 2010 - 8:18pm

The Public Prosecutor on the Caribbean island of Aruba says he has not been informed by the Peruvian authorities about Joran van der Sloot’s admission that he knows where Natalee Holloway’s body is.

Van der Sloot is reported to have told Peruvian investigators this during his interrogation, on Thursday, about the death of Stephany Flores. Ms Flores was recently found dead in a Lima hotel room booked in the name of Van der Sloot. Ms Holloway disappeared on Aruba in 2005.

Taco Stein, the Aruban Advocate General, said on Friday afternoon that he heard of Van der Sloot’s admission via the media and not through official channels. He said he had tried every means possible to make contact with the Peruvian authorities, in a bid to gain more clarity before further steps were undertaken.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/aruba-public-prosecutor-not-informed-about-joran%E2%80%99s-statement

TxMom, I thought that one had admitted to Rob he was part of Shango.  If you see Rob today, be sure to post that for him and I will as well.  Also  will ask him if that's not the one who claimed to be Shango.

But then I am the one who says most of the Shango allagores come from Marvel Comics and have posted links in the past, House of Rave, Elders, Babylonians, etc.

Anyway, I believe it is Rob who knows about that particular individual.


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I guess they don't have internet connection in Aruba...

Joran's head:
Killed Natalie, was harrassed and couldn't even go to school with all the pressure on him. His respect for women was that they were to be used by him and then discarded when he was done. Women were disposable to him. And the relentless Beth Holloway just wouldn't leave him alone, that made him furious.
He is a Type A, impatient, has to be in control. When the extortion thing worked it was like giving him candy. He won. He showed that Beth Holloway that he was making the rules and his way was right. Then when he had the thought that he was stung with the extortion he lashed out at Beth exactly 5 years later to prove he is in control and can do anything he wants to.

The psychological profile of Joran is typical.

Joran is already planning his escape. If he does get to go to Aruba to find Natalie's body he has people who will help him get away from the authorities. He's a weasel.
Hannibal had a face mask and was chained to a gurney... and got to drink some chanti a short time thereafter.

Screw "Shango". If there really was someone with "knowledge" of what "Shango" professed to know -- they are as guilty as Joran. It's been 5 years -- and they have not outed ANYTHING. That is why I have nothing but contempt for those that followed "him". Shango added nothing but 5 years of misery.

Nor a Fax machine...

Agree, Wreck.  Distraction but he did take all his allagores and metaphores or whatever from Marvel comics/  His followers used to get furious when I would say that.  Lala's must be in mouring if she knows this!

But wait!  They would never admit it was just some kid messing with them.

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...and capslockwizzard played them like a drum!

This one is number 6
http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/ZpsoTBbmQBc

Yep, bongos at that.

Everything is pretty much straight forward when LE does their job and actually collects evidence in a timely and professional manner.

Perhaps Aruba should send some of their crack members of LE to Peru to learn a thing or two about all that.

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(http://e.elcomercio.pe/66/ima/0/0/1/5/7/157905.jpg)

Look at that face of the man on the right and then Joran's face!
Looks like he's already getting something jammed up his ***!

One of the articles said they threw tangerine peals and used (ew) toilet paper at him.

Jo-An,

Might be

SMELL-O-RAMA!

Anna, you are hilarious today lol

you did good Muffy ;)

Thought I read somewhere that he walked next door to the gas station and got coffee and pastry.

Joran didn’t heed his own notation when he thinking to himself.

Take a girl who has money and access to money back to your room.
Attempt to win at online poker so she’ll loan you money against your winnings.
If that doesn’t work show her you’re a murderer and threaten her for money.
If she threatens to go to the police, murder her.
Take your bloody clothes off.
Stuff your shirt in her mouth – the rapist gagged her so she couldn’t scream – explanation for blood on your shirt.
Take her pants off – looks like the rapist did it.
Arranged her body and articles in the room so it looks like an attempted rape gone bad.
Take shower, put on other clothes.
Leave room with door slightly ajar or with something keeping the bolt from engaging. – a business card or credit card might work
Leave hotel for enough time for the rape to happen.
Go to a store with a bathroom and get coffee.
Wait for someone to go into the bathroom and then follow him in.
Have him hold the room key while you put coffee down or some such thing. - the rapist now has his finger prints on the key.
Wait for the rapist to leave – pour out one cup of coffee – rinse the cup - collect urine and maybe pubic hairs left by the rapist.
Leave store – toss or place the key near hotel where it can be found.
Return to the room – place some urine from the cup on the panties and floor nearby – the rapist lost control during the struggle.
Rinse out the cup.
Put a little bit of coffee in the cup – swish it around – it needs to have coffee residue in it.
Return to the front desk with both cups and tell them you must have dropped your key right when you left the hotel while checking you pocket for money.
Ask them to open your room.
Gasp in shock and astonishment when you and the hotel worker discover the body. – make this a very good show of disbelief – the hotel worker will testify about your reaction.
Clumsily set the coffee cups near the sink knocking the empty cup into the sink – explains the empty cup.
Rush to the body and make sure you get blood on yourself – explains traces of her blood on you.
Grab her – make sure the hotel worker sees you hold her tightly with you fingers – explains her DNA under your fingernails.
Go into fit of anguish and rage – scratch your own chest in extreme grief – explains her scratch marks.
When the police arrive pretend to be in a panic. Tell them it’s because this will be the second time you might be wrongly accused of murder.
Tell the police you lost the key as soon as you walked out for coffee. Someone must have found it and entered the room while you were out getting coffee. When they find the key the rapist’s finger prints will be on it. – make sure they find the key.


Note to self: If the hotel has a recording security system this plan won’t work.

Shell, Good to see you!

Yes, I will do anything to avoid Saturday chores.  They are the worst!

I so agree with you, Wreck!!! I've scrolled past more "Shango" than I can possibly count!

.... and Stephany Flores' life would have been spared.  Aruba is responsible for the outcome of flagrant disregard for Dutch law.

Shell ... if the full extent of Pervian justice prevails for Stephany ... justice has also prevailed for Natalee.

Janet

http://www.examiner.com/x-21743-New-Orleans-Progressive-Examiner~y2010m6d12-Confessions-of-a-psychopath-murderer-The-arrest-of-Joran-van-der-Sloot
Confessions of a Psychopath Murderer: The arrest of Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot
June 12, 9:18 AMNew Orleans Progressive ExaminerGregory Boyce
Picture - if you can – a human being that hasn’t a conscience, none at all. Imagine that this “person” hasn’t any feelings of guilt or remorse regardless of what act that they’ve committed; devoid from their personality is the concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in their whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, harmful, or immoral action they had taken.

Now add to this strange fantasy belief that the inability to feel no compassion, to be conscience-free makes you superior and invincible; if you can mentally project such a “human being”, then you have described in a nut-shell the personality of confessed murderer Joran Van der Sloot.
<snipped>

No, the wind just shifted and he's getting a whiff of Joran's crusty pants.

Well done!
But it didn't work exactly the way he wanted it to.
Wonder if he knew where the security camera feed went to.

Van Der Sloot's Latest Lie

The 22-year-old Dutch native has been charged with the murder of Stephany Flores. Now prison officials tell The Daily Beast that he lied about the timing of the crime, that contrary to earlier reports, he wasn't high the night of it—and that he'll be locked in solitary confinement for months to come, "for his own safety."

Joran van der Sloot is finally, officially, going down. On Friday, the 22-year-old Dutch native was formally charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the death of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores, whom he confessed to killing earlier this week. The Peruvian judge who condemned him to one of Lima's most notorious prisons to await trial added that the murder had been committed with "ferocity and great cruelty."

An extraordinary scene unfolded outside Lima's Palace of Justice as Van der Sloot heard the judge's order. Crowds of indignant onlookers flanked the rear entrance of the imposing colonial building as a decoy van marked "AMBULANCE" stopped outside the door. Van der Sloot, clearly identifiable by his height and close-cropped haircut, was the last of 11 suspects police manhandled into the entrance. Onlookers shouted "murderer!" and threw rotten vegetables at him from behind police lining the gap between the van and the door.

"For his own safety we cannot mix him with the other prisoners. This murder case is so infamous that he could easily be killed."

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

• Barbie Latza Nadeau & Dan Collyns: Van der Sloots Tells AllGuardia also told The Daily Beast that van der Sloot lied about the timing of the murder. Earlier in the week, he told investigators that he had gone out to buy coffee for himself and Flores, and killed her when he returned to the room after finding the young woman on his computer. In fact, according to Guardia, hotel surveillance cameras show that van der Sloot faked his early-morning coffee run. Instead, he left the room with two empty paper cups and then summoned a member of the hotel staff to open his door, lying that he had forgotten his key.

This, according to the Peruvian police, underscores the suspect's attempts to cover his tracks. "In terms of the sequence of events which led him to commit this savage act, it's true he has recounted most of what occurred," Guardia told The Daily Beast. "But he admits there are also some parts which he doesn't remember." Guardia added that he thinks van der Sloot confessed "because the evidence against him was so overwhelming, he was obliged to do so."

Lamenting the final moments of the young woman's life, Guardia says he believes that Flores suffered greatly at the young man's hand. "Can you imagine how she could defend herself against a man who is two meters in height and with his physical build?" he asked. "He gave her a ferocious beating and took the life of a young Peruvian. In doing so he has injured the whole country and he will face justice."

At the very beginning of Van der Sloot's interrogation earlier this week, he hinted that he would reveal what really happened to Natalee Holloway, the young American woman he was suspected of killing in Aruba in 2005—but only if he could be returned to the Aruban authorities to do so. Peruvian police felt that Van der Sloot was trying to leverage information about Holloway in an attempt to be returned to Aruba, where he is perceived to have enjoyed protection from the law thanks to his influential family. "During the interrogation the question subtly slipped out, and he said he would talk to the Aruban authorities about the matter," said Guardia. But in the end, the Peruvians felt that the young Dutchman was simply crying wolf. Van Der Sloot has played the Natalee card on far too many occasions in the past. And Guardia says the Aruban authorities would be able to question Van der Sloot while he's in Peruvian custody.

Now the prisoner is en route to Miguel Castro Castro to be housed with its frightening population of 1,500 inmates. It is a maximum-security facility designed using the American prison model, with a central gun turret and several more on its periphery. The most dangerous murderers and terrorists serve time here, including former members of the leftist Shining Path rebel group and other smaller groups from Peru's 20-year internal conflict in the 1980s and '90s. But van der Sloot will not be part of the general population, at least for now.

"The Dutchman will be held in a solitary cell for at least four or five months," a prison official told The Daily Beast. "For his own safety we cannot mix him with the other prisoners. This murder case is so infamous that he could easily be killed. There are a lot of murderers in this prison, especially hit men who can easily be contracted from outside … To the criminal mind, it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. They feel affronted that he's murdered a Peruvian girl and they would kill him for the honor of their country."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=tag:all1 (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=tag:all1)

The Dutchman will be held in a solitary cell for at least four or five months," a prison official told The Daily Beast. "For his own safety we cannot mix him with the other prisoners. This murder case is so infamous that he could easily be killed. There are a lot of murderers in this prison, especially hit men who can easily be contracted from outside … To the criminal mind, it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. They feel affronted that he's murdered a Peruvian girl and they would kill him for the honor of their country."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=tag:all1


Thank you,
I was pretty sure I had read that they put him in solitary cell for his own safety, not just that he may have asked to be put in one.  Not that I am defending him, he is where he belongs.

Hmmm, maybe now, everyone who has knowledge of what happened to Natalee will start dropping like flies?

Good to see you too Anna : ) I have not had a wink of sleep. Another night this case has kept me wide awake. I think I will watch TCM and drift off to sleep here pretty soon.

I just keep wondering what could have happened to a young man who could have had so much. I keep thinking of all the lives forever altered. I remember feeling so helpless and frustrated for 5 years waiting to see justice served for the loss of Natalee. And the sadness over another family having lost their daughter. Both girls I think were the kind, giving trusting types and he took advantage of that. And how many others have we yet to learn about.

Why does there have to be a trial? He confessed to killing Stephanee. Lock the door and throw away the key.

he says the police called him when they found the body and asked him not to go to recognized Stephany(because staphany was brutally killed) The father called his friends ( he named a person, I believe somebody from LE or a congress person)to take her daughter out of there with dignity and he didn't want them to remove the body of his daughter with plastic bags so he requested to remove the body in a coffer. Stephany's right arm had bruises all over . then he said, I hope my wife will pardon me but my daughter had on her neck  (and he starts crying) and then he says "I am sorry, I wont say it.
Then they talked about Stephany being drugged before to go to the hotel. MR Flores said that he thinks that Stephany was drugged because the way she walked. Then he blamed himself because he didn't teach his daughter about the other world(it means about bad people and bad things).
In the interview he says that Stephany was in the casino Thursday, Friday and Saturday and one of her friends said that Stepany had 7000 soles or dollars. He says that he doesn't know if they found the money with the monster.
The Wii is missing, they just found her wallet without money and her cellphone (he didn't said where, but I believe they found those items in the hotel)
He asked to the public to return his daughter belongins like neckles, bracelet, earrings because that could help the case and they dint have to be afraid to go to the police.

I quit doing mine.  My air conditioning went out about 8 a.m.  If you can possibly avoid it, DO NOT get one of the energy-conserving units that is guaranteed to be green-friendly, because this is the 4th time ours has gone out since it was installed last March.

Gosh, it just breaks my heart to see Stephany's father in that interview.

One of his sons identified the body.  There is probably something lost in the translation.  His son speaks very good English and was on TV one night this past week, the night of Joran's confession (I believe) either on Greta or TruTV, and said that the police advised his father not to come, for him to go and identify his sister, because they did not want to put the parents through the identification and he is the one who said that I first heard say that one of her eyes was totally missing and the other knocked loose. 

Oh, wonderful.  The air conditioning personnel have arrived.  Maybe I will have some cooler air soon.  Humidity is very high and it is very hot here.

31 years old - heart attack???????? Sounds like he was "Paulused". I wonder if the kalpoes have had a "check-up" lately?

It is that what he said that LE did not want him to go to the police and he called one of his friends to remove the body in a coffer.

They all die young in Aruba, only the old hags like Anita and Julia get to live.

lol

Maybe suicides on Aruba are passe'.

Janet

Joran van der Sloot: "I fear being killed in jail

Confessed murderer of Stephany Flores said he believed that attacked him in prison to avenge death of Stephany Flores. Requested serving time in Aruba.

The citizen Netherlands Joran van der Sloot expressed fear of being killed after be admitted in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.

"I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I have fear to kill me, "sobbed the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores to the police.

According to the newspaper Trome, Dutchman called on the authorities to enable it to purge conviction Aruba. In return, promised to reveal the exact spot where the body of a young American Natalee Holloway.

ASKS SECURITY
Joran van der Sloot, by such means, he asked the officers who provide security in believing that attacked him inside the detention center.

The European request was included in the BAP sent to the Directorate of Criminal Investigation Public Prosecutor.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/493794/joran-van-der-sloot-tengo-miedo-que-me-maten-carcel (http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/493794/joran-van-der-sloot-tengo-miedo-que-me-maten-carcel)

He didn't have much fear of murdering Stephany.
Seeing what kind of hell those prisons are, If I were Joran, my biggest fear would be to be ALIVE in prison.

Drugs maybe?

That is what I recall Jean Casarez reporting. 

theres a smell athon going on in castro castro prison
the prize !!  more beans !! more flies!!

all the prisoner have the same fear.

NANCY GRACE
Joran Van Der Sloot Taken Into Custody in Chile
Aired June 3, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Enrique, did you go identify your sister`s body?

ENRIQUE FLORES, BROTHER OF STEPHANY FLORES RAMIREZ: My brother. My brother is the only one that saw her because we decided that one of us first is going to see her and think how -- to see how -- how was she. But he told us that she didn`t even have an eye. She was -- she was unrecognizable. All the body (INAUDIBLE) he said, his neck -- her neck. It was awful.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ng.01.html

We can see that if they release the video after 5:30 and before 8:35.

Tami in the intervie #6 . The father said that he did'nt recognized the body because the police told him not to go. But in the interview he is relating what the son told him or maybe what he saw. It seems that his friends showed him some pictures of his daughter's body and maybe for that reason he said "  I hope my wife will perdom me" and he pointed his neck and is when he start crying.

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Joran Van Der Sloot Formally Charged with Murder and Robbery
Aired June 11, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET

JEAN CASAREZ: This is very interesting, Jane, because Joran said during his interrogation that he was high or he had ingested marijuana. Well, guess what? Peruvian police confirmed with us in an interview that there were no drugs found in the system of Joran Van Der Sloot. No drugs found in the system of Stephany Flores which contradicts what he said himself in the interview.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ijvm.01.html
 

He did't have drugs in his body before to go jail.

That's what they said on the news the other night.

Blonde ... I read that somewhere too.  Also ... there was the GHB wrapper found in Stephany jeep.

I have come to a place where I do not take seriously JVS and NG's "expert panels" ... only the guests who have direct involved.

Janet

As I was driving yesterday - all I could think about were some of his treacherous posts and how I would really like to impale his head on a stick.

That's what they found when he was in Chile.
They tested him again before going to prison, and then they found nothing.

I have never seen any proof of a toxicology report or related drug test out of Chile.
I do not think they did one, they just held onto Joran and dropped his happy ass off at the border.

Good day, Monkeys (waving)

On a new thread already...I still have so much catching up to do. lol

pb

i remember some of the stuff about the SHANGO/SIMIAN, what i dont recall is why are
they called codetalkers.
dont want a debate, on these people, just why they are called codetalkers
ive read here, but didnt see how they became/got the title of codetalkers
could you tell me or direct me to the link thanks
what ive read some of
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0

Thanks for posting this!  I am trying so hard to catch up on what I am behind on reading and what has been so puzzling to me is why Natalee's body hasn't mysteriously turned up yet with Joran in jail now because WE all know that the powers that be in Aruba know where she is...but now I know they are waiting ever so patiently to see if Peru is going to agree to let him serve his time in Aruba!  Sorry Aruba seriously doubt that will happen so just go ahead and let someone mysteriously find Natalee...no questions asked just give her back to Beth & Dave!

Neither can I recall any toxicology report.  I DO recall, though, reports that VDS claimed to have been under the influence at the time of the homicide.  Such a claim might well be false.  Under many legal systems, intoxication is considered a mitigating circumstance, lessening a perpetrator's culpability -- and corresponding punishment -- for the commission of an illegal act.  Making such a false claim during the course of his confession would be thoroughly in keeping with VDS' manipulative nature. 

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im thinking with all the corruption in aruba, it just couldnt be that simple anymore

Simple Nicknames.. That is all cw618
Shango was the first of many people posting erroneous information which became a war of disinformation versus real information.
The intent was to mislead researchers and searchers from finding truth and justice for Natalee.

I contend that life outside my computer can be such a distraction.  My hubby complains that my computer is a distraction from life.

Anyways ... I have definitely missed something in regards to Joran's coffee trip. 

Is there a video time lapse between the when Joran leaves the room with two coffee cups and ... then returns.

The video indicates Joran leaves the room and ... immediately attempts to reenter.

Janet

+++++

http://www.zie.nl/video/ingezonden/Joran-veinst-kamersleutel-te-vergeten/m1bz0pbfx1y5

'Joran veinst kamersleutel te vergeten'

I know why I can't catch up now!!!  Ya'll are cracking me up with all that smelly crusty butt stuff! LOL!!!

By the way, looks like more action in the K2 suit.  Not sure what this means but unlike HELI at RU I'm not going to assume it means an extension has been allowed.  There would be a judged order and I don't see that.  Anyway, I will watch for the actual docs:


06/10/2010 Order  (ORDER EXTENDING DEADLINE FOR PLNTFS' DEPO, OR ALLOWING THEM TO PROCEED IN ARUBA )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/10/2010 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER EXTENDING DEADLINE FOR PLAINTIFF'S DEPOSITION )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/10/2010 Opposition Document
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

I sometimes wonder if Joran does know where Natalee's remains were disposed of.
Perhaps, sometimes, I think it went with his father to his grave.  Maybe this is why Joran became so brazen with Beth, this latest time, and now is willing to throw his father under the bus.  Next we hear, he will put it all on his father, all of it.  He is loyal to nobody.  Not even his dead father, who in my opinion, covered for him.  Just sick people all the way around. 

Well I thought about that too but we all know how much Joran has lied so they can always use him as a scapegoat and just say he lied again :)

TY edward

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Any of you who have been following Abby
She is safe and on a French fishing boat.

Transcript of last nights DATELINE:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/

iirc, Jairo was working for ATA in Ft Lauderdale, and going to FIU?, during the Shango days.

And I think it was Nut44x4 who found some information regarding a Shango scholar who was a professor at FIU at the time. I would have to dig to find that stuff again ;-)

Yes -- many many many references to Marvel comics. Including the nic SandraK. Oh yes -- quite a coincidence I am sure. ll:rollingeyes:ll

Wow. He was only 31. 

Will be interested to hear what Kermit has to say about this death.
Was he one of the four living @ the address where capslocks postings came from?

I guess it would never occur to Joran that the other prisoners might be afraid he will sneak up on them and beat their eyes out of the sockets and break their necks!

But they are probably safe as he only treats very small girls and family pets that way, those who trust him and are helpless to defend themselves.

HE is the one accused of murder!

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If Joran is killed in prison, wouldn't that be better for k2 and the Aruba LE past and present?  I've always been surprised since Paulus's death that someone hasn't shut him up (permanently) to stop all of the bad press for Aruba.  Every time he has pulled one of his stunts it has just reminded people how they covered up the case.

Posted by: Tamikosmom 

I contend that life outside my computer can be such a distraction.  My hubby complains that my computer is a distraction from life.


:) I think this is a common statement from the other half's..
Mine says the same thing and has for the Whole 20 years I have messed with Computers. When we finally got to the "Internet " she said life is now over for you isn't it?
 I said no.. Life has just began to get interesting as currant knowledge of our world has just expanded in real time and I am on the cutting edge where I feel best.
She hates computers... :}

My hats off to Peruvian LE, the Prosecutor and Judge Juan Buendia!

What a difference a few days make! 

www.facebook.com

6/5/2010 ISA Graduation

Valentijn was in some of the pictures I posted earlier, but no sign of Sebastian in those.  I've come across these since then. 

Looks like Sebastian on the right to me.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/06052010_ISAGraduation.jpg)

Red arrow pointing to him here:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/06052010_ISAGraduation2.jpg)

Somehow I suspect that Aruba will do want needs to be done to prevent the primary suspects in the Natalee Holloway case from giving testimony in the United States.  The knowledge these guys possess has the ability to bring down the Aruban house of cards.

In My Opinion

Janet

++++++

ART WOODS:

The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

I wondered about that too!  Maybe that's what they are waiting for!

I believe you are correct, Klaas.  It's the Kalpoes whining and asking for more time and stalling again.  And Dr. Phil opposing giving they yet another delay.

Then the judge will have to rule on that.  I think they will get another DENIED!

If they are so worried about their reputations, maybe they shouldn't hang out with homicidal maniacs.  This latest from Joran can't help their case one bit.  And althugh it doesn't effect it directly, one has to consider that they were vountarily in the company of one of the most notorious killers in the world now.  Alleged.


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I want to see Joran alive. 
I want to see Joran convicted @ his trial.
This is important that it is on the books.  Stefany and her family deserve that.

After that I don't give a DAMN what happens to him.

Some people believed it as much as you have seen the people in Peru with their joran voodoo dolls and other  beliefs. I read and posted with the codetalkers way back then.  It wasn't long before we realized that there were people out there just screwing with our heads.  At the time,  we were willing to follow the clues and decipher the crap Shango/Simian/Shock were posting to us because some believed this was worth checking into.

Kind of like "LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED" when you are looking for something or in this case someone. 

"Jinkasaurus" as NG calls Jean Casarez seems to be wrong far more than she is right about the facts of this investigation.  Perhaps the information is being deliberately skewed for whatever reason or perhaps she just doesn't understand what she is told.

I am beginning to wonder if she even speaks Spanish!  Not only is she a full day late on everything but she seems to get most of it wrong!  Someone should give her a subscription to SM, lol.

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He wont die..Unless from accident or suicide of disease.
He is to publicized.. I do not think anyone will kill him unless a bounty is put on him for unlimited candy at the commissary. Then maybe.

Anyway..The Kalpoe are cowpoop in court because of this new murder in my opinion.

Me too!!!  But I hope Natalee is found during this process....then piss on him!

Thanks Klaas!

The Kalpoes have certainly kept a low profile. 

Think maybe one or two pictures is all we've seen in the last couple of years.

You'd think the Sloots would be cocooned in their home, with the shades drawn. 

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439

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It appears to me that it means that the Plaintiffs are essentially "appealing" the decision the judge made to deny the deposition extension. Dr. Phil's attornies are opposing this .

Can, No this is a younger one.  Was only about 25-26 when Natalee disappeared.  I believe he was attending school in Florida and may have been friends with that Gabe Leo who used to post on the FP a lot.

It's been so long I can't remember much about him but is not one of the heads of Capslockwizard.  But now that you mention it, may be where CLW got the idea to come and mess with people. 

In the beginning, Shango was like a game and some did enjoy decyphering his coded messages but he never really knew anything not public knowledge so eventually most lost interest.

There are threads here in the archives found on the Index pages for anyone interested.

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Yes, that goes without saying. 

Amen to that!

DAMN.. THAT WOMAN IS UGLY

Natalee Holloway's family awaits closure


Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:45 AM
Carol Robinson -- The Birmingham News


Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, second left, is escorted by police officers in Lima, Peru, on Friday. (The Associated Press)
Joran van der Sloot's claim to Peruvian officials that he will reveal the loca­tion of Natalee Holloway's body offers some hope to the family of the missing teen.

Though the 22-year-old Dutchman, officially charged Friday with the murder of Stephany Flores, has lied countless times, Holloway's family said this time feels different.


"His butt's in a crack right now and I think he's going to do anything he can to keep from going to prison in Peru," said Jug Twitty, Hol­loway's stepfather. "It's just a wait and see. We've been down this road so many times. We just pray this time will be different."

A Peruvian judge on Fri­day ordered van der Sloot jailed on charges of first-de­gree murder and robbery in the killing of a 21-year-old Lima woman, determining that he acted with "ferocity and great cruelty."

Lima Superior Court Judge Juan Buendia issued the order before dawn Friday, instructing penal authorities to place van der Sloot in a penitentiary pending trial.

Police say van der Sloot smashed in the face of Lima business student Stephany Flores, whom he met playing poker at a casino, after taking her to his hotel room on May 30. They say he then strangled her, threw her to the floor and emptied her wallet.

If convicted on the murder and robbery charges, van der Sloot would be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told The Associated Press.

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of the Mountain Brook teen, told investigators in Peru he knows the location of Holloway's body, CNN reported Thursday night.

Van der Sloot said he would only tell authorities in Aruba the location of Holloway's body, which has never been found, despite extensive searches.

Van der Sloot, a citizen of the Netherlands who lives much of the time in Aruba, has been arrested twice but released each time in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Federal officials in Birmingham have charged van der Sloot with wire fraud and extortion after they say he offered to disclose Holloway's whereabouts in exchange for $250,000. After receiving a down payment, van der Sloot provided a bogus location of her body.

From his Birmingham office, Twitty said Friday he hopes Aruban authorities will follow up on van der Sloot's claim.

"There's no doubt in my mind that he knows where the body is," Twitty said. "I would hope the Aruban authorities Peru and let him talk."

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.

"If it would give us an answer, absolutely we would be for it," he said. "I doubt if Stephany's parents and Peru would allow that to happen."

Do others know?

Twitty said he has long suspected that there are others in Aruba, in addition to van der Sloot and his father, who passed away in February, who know what happened to Holloway.

"There are probably a lot of people in Aruba nervous right now," Twitty said.

Holloway's family is watching and hoping and planning to let authorities handle van der Sloot's latest revelation.

"Beth has got so many things going on with her different projects," he said, "the best thing for us to do is sit back and wait."


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/natalee_holloways_family_await.html

The psychopath deviant murderer being fingerprinted, handcuffed , chained and given him his sleeping blanket before being transported to Miguel Castro Castro ..

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.peru.com%2Fnoticias%2F


(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/JoranbeinghandcuffbeforeMiguelCastr.jpg)

Thank you for clarifying that Jo-An

Did we ever find out who CAPSLOCKWIZARD was?

Misgivings posted this article a few pages back, it's written by Barbie Nadeau who was featured in the Dateline show last night. It seems she's been writing about Joran for several years......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/joran-van-der-sloots-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2

Anyway, this article states that Joran did not test positive for drugs but I'm no expert in how long marijuana or cocaine stay in your system but I would assume she's done her homework on that?

After van der Sloot was loaded back into the van to be transported to Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, Police General Cesar Guardia told The Daily Beast that most of what the accused murderer had confessed were blatant lies. "His toxicological report shows no signs that he had ingested any kind of drug," Guardia said, countering van der Sloot's perhaps strategic claim that he was high on marijuana when he killed Flores—in Peru, felony crimes committed under the influence of drugs can be treated with leniency in the courts.

Thanks Anna.  I was thinking of the caps posts to SM though.  I believe Kermit thinks there were four guys posting.  Young guys that were all living at the same address in Aruba. 

I recall reading some of the shango posts early on.  Never could make heads or tails from them, except they were laced with some stuff we already knew.

Twitty said he wouldn't be against van der Sloot being allowed to go to Aruba to lead investigators to Holloway's remains.


Jug... shhh
Joran is an idiot..Other people moved her long ago.
jmho

Well, maybe that toxicology report just got lost if it would give any mitigating circumstances. 

:-)

Now wouldn't that be a shame if somebody "Paulus-ed" it?

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uh huh.

LOL Anna

Back to perspiring in the yard for me but after two years of effort in my brand new yard I have lots of flowers to tend to :)

Hi Jo-An-

Good question, the article wasn't entirely clear to me on that.

That is absolutely the LAST that needs to happen!!! They would never get him back to Peru -- Aruba would somehow claim he is THEIRS.

Van der Sloot's cell is "very basic," Collyns added.  "He would probably have a bucket in the corner for his bathroom.
-radar


Anita - the bright side:

He won`t leave the lid up anymore angering all of the ladies in the house.

Right, they would NEVER return him, probably grant him diplomatic immunity of some kind and proclaim him a national hero, award him a pension and give him a medal!

Maybe after Joran serves his sentence in both Peru and the U.S. he could be allowed back on Aruban or Dutch soil but certainly not before and not now as that is what Joran is counting on.  If only he could get back to Aruba!

Remember Br'er Rabbit:  Please don't throw me in that briar patch!

No one would ever see him again.

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I think the Vrojlik name connects caps and shango.

He will need radar in the middle of the night to find his bucket.
lol

I remember Rob talking about Armin Solognier.  He's in a band with Jairo Boekhoudt, Acoustic Soul I think is the name of it.  But I don't recall if he thought he was connected to the Shango crap or not.

I don`t think Paulus would have allowed Joran to know where she was eventually put.

Paul knew Joran was an idiot too. It is Joran`s final BLUFF.

Magnolia, I think you are right.  And that never dawned on me before just now.

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ITA.  I have no fear of that happening. 

Maybe he will be willing in time...to barter on lesser stakes.  A clean blankie, maybe.  Seriously though, who the hell does Joran think he is.
I'm sure he's fast realizing he has no power...none, zip,  he used it all up and to lovely young girls are gone.

I know the Holloways need closure for their Natalee but there needs to be justice for this
monster in Peru and he rots in Peru.. As I see it he does not need to go to Aruba or have 1 second of freedom as another precious beautiful daughter Stephany was gruesomely murdered.. Joran has blood stains on his hand and let him rot in Peru..

Mr. Flores  said in an interview " I will do everything possible to bring jutice to my Daughter" If it's possible I will follow him around the world."

Minute 4:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYSSADUqXxw&feature=related

     That's interesting.  There was a report out today that toxicology concludes that VDS was NOT under the influence of illegal drugs at the time of the murder.  Whom do we believe? 

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791

If Joran dies in prison it seems like it would solve a lot of problems for Aruba.  K2 have proven they can keep their mouths shut, Joran can't.

Thanks-It's so clear that once again, for whatever reason, false or true:  Aruba dropped the ball.
I mean, it can't get any plainer.

You are right TM.  Rob said that he talked to Armin and he admitted that he was part of Simian.
Armin is Arubagirl's cousin, I think.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD REVEALED

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 -
« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »

From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,

<snipped>

About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: ((edit - personal email addy))
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone:  297-746-7000

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.720

Thanks Magnolia.  That's right.  Isn't that name also connected to ones living @ his address, or do I have that wrong?

I don't believe most of what Jean Casarez says.....she's full of mis-information. She's more excited about seeing the monster up close than getting any facts. She's nauseating......

Wow, that's really weird.
But there have been so many contradictions in this case... it's mindboggling!

.... and then there are Stephany's brothers.

Joran has received a life sentence no matter what the outcome is in regards to Peruvian justice.

Janet

+++++++

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

You are right, Can.  The Shiribana address, and they are all somehow connected to ATA.

Joran can be killed at any minute. Peru authorities have to do everything right to protect him. They can`t afford 1 failure.

Who on Earth has the power of being correct 100% of the time? Nobody.

It was so sad last night hearing JQK relate how painful Stefany's death was for Beth - how it has brought back the intensity and pain of five years ago
- my words - but the gist of it was heartbreaking.

Monkeys,
Do you have the video when Stephany and the monster walk together to the casino's parking lot?

Sorry to engage in the OT discussion. Won't pursue this matter any further. No matter what Aruba-style nonsense may be uttered.

Thank you cecilita.  Powerful words from Mr. Flores and I'm sure he means them, every one.
I tried to watch tapes yesterday but couldn't get English sub titles.
Will try again later.

Have a good day Monkeys. 
Have prepared casseroles to take to pot luck tonight.  Hoping to return early...how anti-social is that!  Life away from the computer...ho hum.

Taxi drivers accused of helping escape to Joran van der Sloot they can not afford a lawyer
Jhon Carlos Aparcana parapet and said they were surprised and concerned about being involurados in police report. In return for bringing the Dutchman to Tacna, received the sum of U.S. $ 1,500 plus a Ferrari watch


Although his face hidden under a cloth, with head down, staring at the floor, Joran van der Sloot, Netherlands citizen accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores, 21, yesterday was not lost during transportation from the Criminal Court of Time Permanent Court of Lima to the courthouse holding cells in Cercado de Lima.

"Murderer! Murderer! "Shouted dozens of people who, shortly after 11 am, passing through the vicinity of the first of these premises. To recognize him, threw food and empty plastic bags, then attacked the ambulance that transported the detainee, which swayed for several seconds.

Less rugged was the scene when, shortly after noon, Van der Sloot was taken from the courthouse holding cells to be admitted to the Castro Castro prison (San Juan de Lurigancho), as established by Judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opening statement with an arrest warrant on charges of murder and against property, in the form of simple theft.

UP PROCESS
Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of Stephany, agreed with the charges for which Van der Sloot would prosecute. However, said that the same may be extended during the process. He said neither well known which of the 13 inmates in jail tried to ventilate definitely the cause in court, filed a notice of a civil constitution, in order to present evidence or to appeal a judge's decision.

"The record with the police statement, the judge's autoapertorio and instructive of the detainee must enter a courtroom, by the rotation system, no later than Tuesday August," he said.

This was questioned by a maximum term Highness, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, who, although he said no more, "declared by an order of the family of the Dutchman, who had hired - estimated that the election of the new court would be made public in 10 days.

The judge's instruction autoapertorio Buendia, also includes brothers John Williams and John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte hired by the defendant in Ica, May 30 Finally, if you take a taxi to Tacna.

POLICE INVESTIGATION
As payment, as the police investigation, Van der Sloot received the sum of U.S. $ 1,500 plus a Ferrari watch, a camera, a cell phone and other valuables were later recovered by the PNP.

A third involved in the case, according to the instruction autoapertorio is the taxi driver also Pretil Carlos Alberto Uribe, who that night went with the group as another passenger.

"They were processed with limited subpoena for the crime of failure to report, having facilitated the transportation of Van der Sloot, for allegedly having knowledge of the crime which had incurred and for not having reported this to the authorities," the document says. The penalty for this crime is no more than two years in prison.

REACTIONS
The release of taxi drivers
CARLOS ALBERTO URIBE Parapet
I am extremely concerned because I have nothing to do with it. When I was invited to the trip I was on the whereabouts of Nasca, coming to Ica. They [the brothers Aparcana] had already negotiated the price of the trip to see der Sloot Joran. During the trip the Dutchman did not say much. They say that we are involved and I do not know what to do. Will they want to take me to Lima? ".

My brother and I are mere carriers were doing taxi. The service we have done several times with tourists, at least eleven times. We gave testimony Dirincri agents who came to Ica. Recently we heard on the radio and hearing that we do not know what it is. We have no way afford an attorney because we live than we earn every day. "
JOHN P. Aparcana OSWALDO

Holland dismissed complaints about the PNP
Bezemer Ward, spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands, ruled that his government has lodged a similar complaint with your Peru on the way the Police handled the arrest and investigation of Joran van der Sloot.

"The Netherlands government respects the laws of Peru. We have provided assistance to Joran as any other fellow would give overseas, "he told El Comercio when asked about the alleged request of moderation and restraint than the PNP would have received by officials Netherlands.

Bezemer said he will continue to provide assistance to Van der Sloot in the Castro Castro prison through regular visits and the supply of small sums of money for food and personal effects.

On the other hand, denied that Anita van der Sloot, mother of the boy and his only relative, travel to Lima in the coming days to visit his son. She said, is in Aruba, where the process continues.

Asked to analyze the defendant's laptop
The defense of the Flores family said that during the trial will be asked to review the contents of the laptop of Van der Sloot.

Edward Alvarez's lawyer said that such diligence was not performed during the police investigation because "there was no authorization."

The contents of the laptop is important because, according to Van der Sloot, was the trigger for the crime. He said he killed because he saw Stephany reviewing the team.

(http://e.elcomercio.pe/66/ima/0/0/1/5/8/158063.jpg)
http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/493874/taxistas-acusados-ayudar-huir-joran-van-der-sloot-no-tienen-como-pagar-su-defensa

I sent Rob a text message earlier about the dude who died of a heart attack.. Perhaps he will pop in sometime,.. havn't see a post from him in a few days.. actually its taken forever for me to read and catch up.. I'm sick.. :(
Still in PJ's.. had to call off work even. 

Joran van der Sloot is afraid to be killed in jail
The Dutchman told the police that his life in jeopardy against Castro Castro and called to serve his sentence in Aruba.

The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22) told police his fear of being killed after being interned in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, in San Juan de Lurigancho.

"I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I have fear to kill me, "sobbed the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores Ramirez (21) to the authorities, the newspaper said today Trome. Therefore asked to provide security, he feels that they hate.

The publication also revealed that Van der Sloot said he wanted dialogue with U.S. authorities and disclose the whereabouts of the girl Natalee Holloway, disappeared on the island since 2005, but instead wanted to enable it to serve his sentence in Aruba.

FACT

◦ orders were included Van der Sloot's statement, which was annexed in the police report that was handed over to prosecutors.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/493854/van-der-sloot-teme-que-lo-maten-prision

Thanks Angie!

Get well soon!  (((hugs)))

This seems to be the concensus on the Peru Twitter feed:

Joran van der Sloot: "I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I have fear that I die "- Cowardly xD

Joran Van der Sloot is afraid of being murdered in prison

According to the head of INPE Ruben Rodriguez, Dutchman asked guarantees because it feels threatened and claims it can kill.

 
Rodriguez Rabanal reported that the Dutchman was placed in a one-man cell of the Miguel Castro Castro, isolated from the rest of the prison population, suggesting that the alien is "completely healthy."

A Van der Sloot is accused of murder and crimes against property in the form of simple theft, which in our country is punishable by up to 35 years in prison.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1276376640.php

Before we do just let me set the record straight..

My 12 year old son sails on a 30 foot sail boat out of Santa Cruz California in the Pacific Ocean along with other boys without the adults.. He has the same kind of dreams.
I support him and his dreams.

I also have spent years in search and rescue and all of my efforts are payed for out of my own pocket.

I also have sent money and supported Tim Miller in searcrhing Aruba. Especially when the call came out for Persistence to map the ocean floor.

Maybe Joran should have thought about that before murdering an innocent young girl in PERU.  He should have stuck with tourists in Aruba, he had much better luck there. 

I have zero sympathy for Joran and just a sliver of sympathy for Anita.

From twitter:

Joran van der Sloot is afraid to be killed in jail <- do not worry gringo maricon not going to kill you're going to apply the law of the donkey

Judging from what the Kalpoe boys said in the police car tapings, I fear Natalee met the same horrible fate Stephany did, the same brutal beating.

Good, I truly hope he was sobbing and I hope he feels real honest to goodness fear for his life.  Because that's what his victims felt before he so viciously took their lives without any remorse, as he stated in Natalee's case, that he didn't lose a nights sleep ever.  Oh the irony.

I watched that video again on the FP of him being transported.  Those people want a piece of him.  I hope he was scared ****less.  If that's the worst that happens to him, then he's lucky.

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif)

The Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez said that the police had indeed attended the prosecutor and told the Dutchman himself with the help of a translator. Por ello, calificó de “aventurado e ilógico” el hábeas corpus presentado por la defensa de Van der Sloot para anular el proceso. So called "risky and illogical" habeas corpus filed by the defense of Van der Sloot to cancel the process.


On the other hand, spokespersons for the Netherlands Embassy reported that the government of that country has submitted a complaint to Peru by the media exposure of his countryman.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperu21.pe%2Fimpresa%2Fnoticia%2Fholandes-fue-recluido-penal-castro-castro%2F2010-06-12%2F277325

Stephany and Natalee had fears of dying too, Joran.

Life is a b.

Gringo maricon...good one!

More lives Joran destroys in his wake.

Van der Sloot received the sum of U.S. $ 1,500 plus a Ferrari watch, a camera, a cell phone and other valuables were later recovered by the PNP.

The contents of the laptop is important because, according to Van der Sloot, was the trigger for the crime. He said he killed because he saw Stephany reviewing the team.


Sure hope they make public the Camera images and the full contents of the Computer.

Unfortunitly in South American judicial most of these items are never made public.
I hope they do so this time.

Keep the Dutch/Aruban Lawyers out as they weill only attempt to twist everyting into their favor..

Don`t disrespect the Peru legal system Netherlands. You may find that you have no embassy... if Peruvians decide to march on it. They will finish you.

Hi Monks...I was gonna catch up before responding...but I had to jump in an say a big fat DITTO!  What a waste of time..I got told off several time by someone who really thought she was the frigging hall moniter......I let it go cause I felt sorry for her..and her little band of followers.....funny thing...I am still here and she isn't.  <wink>

Police General Cesar Guardia:

"He gave her a ferocious beating and took the life of a young Peruvian. In doing so he has injured the whole country and he will face justice."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joren-van-der-sloot-high-night-peru-killing/story?id=10893791&page=2

(http://sundstrom.us/TravelJournals/photos/BurningTheWitch.jpg)

Tyler I hope your A/C is fixed by now....it's 95 here is MO......without A/C I would be checking into a hotel!!

 You're welcome ~!  TY for the well wishes.. I am tired of huggin the toilet.. 

I hope it comes out just who Joran is related to. It is bloody obvious that all of the political hype is not simply over a run of the mill Dutch boy turned homicidal maniac.

There was a toxicology report that stated that Joran tested positive for cocaine and marihuana and also that Stephany tested positive for drugs. So maybe he wasn't tested in Chile, but as soon as he arrived in Lima, where he was undergoing medical tests.

Although Joran van der Sloot to the Peruvian police had admitted that he "occasionally" used marijuana, according to a toxicological study that he not only marijuana, but cocaine was used. The last he had to the Peruvian authorities concealed.

According to the Peruvian site Trome.com there are drug traces in the body of the murdered Stephany Flores found.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=153704439


I hope they lost the one that said positive for drugs lol

thanks Edward...I heard the news and was very glad......

I read that he destroyed that villa that he rented in Thailand so badly that the landlady went to the
Dutch Embassy and filed a complaint.  His uncle came and paid the money for the repairs.  I wondered
just who the uncle was.

I agree with. I may consider a sliver of a sliver of sympathy for Joran if he actually tells the truth (cough) this time and Natalee is brought home.

Peru Police Station -

Manolo: I didn` see no report on drogas, did you esey?

Juan: No, I see nothing. Sun-sing baddddddd musta happened.

Cecilita, I don't know if someone has responded yet.  I have a screen shot, but haven't found the video yet:

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  LOL Carpe.. !   :)~

my thoughts exactly.....kinda like evaporating drug test......BTW, ganja can be detected as long as 2 months after one stops using.....

In today's Diario, someone from Holland submitted this theory about where Natalee's body may have been hidden.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/mi-opinion-encuanto-e-lugar-unda-natalee-ta-dera/

Papiamentu translation:

my opinion encuanto the lugar where natalee is bury

publication: saturday, 12 june 2010.

categoria: general remitido

make a note by diario: the relato here owing to worde ricibi by one person dutch, residencia at earth frieu. past owing to come is follow the storia by the caso here by quite time, haciendo anotacion, lesando complete documento, y the self owing to saca one teoria on thing the is think, cu kizas owing to socede, y where natalee is bury. at 2008 past owing to even come till aruba before so present her teoria at ministerio publico, because also at autoridad mericano. but till still, the is feel cu neither person owing to haci caso cu her teoria. at present the is trece before daily paper, before so folk self read this y saca they conclusion.
 
Google (Dutch) translation:


Bon Dia,
The search for Natalee Holloway's body is characterized by an important fact: the blind spot!

Too much Telang and the bizarre and cruel lies of Joran listened and it seems that no one sound, common sense is used.

While there are many complex scenarios were devised, the solution of this mystery is so easy and all those years was her body literally right under your noses.

As I then just after the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries to him and to two detectives in Almere was declared Joran 'confession' a big distraction and Joran and Patrick played under a hat.

Recently, this latter fact confirmed by nota bene Joran himself, but his last real swamp story it was like old times at the biggest hogwash.

During the months of March and April 2008, I had regular telephone contact with the parents of Natalee, especially with Dave Holloway, as he had occupied in the actual searches on Aruba.

When he told me about a nasty smell for about two weeks around the construction site of the Marriott hung, for me this was the reason for further investigation.

I contacted dr.Jantz the "Body Farm" in Knoxville and gave him the necessary information needed for the time when her body was consumed to provide evidence.

I gave him the day and night temperature of Aruba in June, her body weight, which she wore swimsuits, was tucked away somewhere, but not buried!

It's an important, busy person and I am just a nobody, but he gave me the day after its conclusion: about two weeks!

That was my reason to go deeper into this matter to dig and gradually brought more confirmation of my theory.

Ironically, the Joran himself who in his book me two very important clues gave!

Under Section 4 of the overview map of Aruba statement: "The Marriott hotel where Natalee was staying" (!) When everyone knows that she stayed at the Holiday Inn.

And on page 50, chapter "Girlfriends" he calls one Jillian, where he had a half years with dating and that she is the daughter of someone involved in the construction of the Marriott.

Natalee's father wrote about a key found in the car of Deepak, who claimed that his mother, but before that could be verified lost 'n cop the key and then everyone forgot about its existence.

It was as clear to me now like a lump of how the fork in the stem was and why I asked in mid-May 2008 Chief Moss to take action and show it to initiate investigations on the former site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

But what joke my surprise when he claimed that he sent in my email, stating my full theory, with drawings and all, could not open because the show PDF document was!?

Since he was to obtain 's search warrant to show a well-founded story at the court commissioner to knock, and he not therefore had was his proposal to the Marriott to seek voluntarily to cooperate with the investigation.

The same day I had the manager of the Marriott on the line and despite my assurance that the entire viewing exercise utmost discretion would go and show minor damage to the hotel would be caused, he is tough and I got zero on the petition .

My request to Mr. Moss for copies of the drawings were rejected, there was absolutely no understanding and cooperation.

My disappointment was great, but not quickly give up because I decided I was on my way to and vijtien months later I went to Aruba end of August 2009 and went right along with the DOW for photos of the drawings of the Marriott to make.

Diving experience, I got off a perforated eardrum and was therefore ill and only returned to the Netherlands I could calm these drawings and studies on 7 September 2009 I thought for ninety percent sure to know where the body of Natalee was blocked.

Now this sounds pretty arrogant, so let me therefore first the facts show this straight, with my theory and then you can decide for yourself whether this really holds water or whether I'm a big dreamer.
 
FACTS

Joran suffered from behavioral problems (tantrums, steal, drink and gambling) and walked them to show a psychiatrist.

He had a site up promoting violence and rape, which incidentally just after the disappearance of Natalee was quickly removed.

When Joran and Natalee were deposited after that nobody has seen together, which is weird because for 's festival in the early hours, there were more people present than usual on the beach.

The radar that night has no maritime activity.

Joran has neither the police nor the ambulance was called.

He'd just after her disappearance scratches on his face.

His shoes had disappeared.

When he came home early in the morning he visited here still show a porn site, despite the fact that he was the same day 's exam was.

All designated by Joran denied complicity in all keys.

 Joran was 1.5 years courting the daughter of someone who was involved in the construction of the Marriott.

There was a key found in Deepak's car, but was subsequently lost.

Shortly after her disappearance appeared on the site of "Scared Monkeys" messages from one Shango, with all sorts of cryptic text and one of them was:
"Why did not His Lordship bring the key found in the car"

There was over two weeks' n nasty smell around the site of the Marriott Aruba Surf Club.

There was never sought because at night 's lock on the gate Sat

Dave Holloway told me that one day "short-cut was between the parking lot of the Marriott and the Holiday Inn.
 
Joran says in the "secret" recording of Peter R. de Vries, two remarkable things:

 "If they find her, I am the dick" what even bevreemt Patrick, because he responds by saying:

"She's totally gone" and indeed, the sea knew much, if not all traces of his tail and later stoned to himself and he says:

"They will never find her ... ... .... I think"

He has his own dog 'n' paint ballgun "finished.

By the time Marriott were many dog carcasses found.
 
Without help anyone can show up to two hundred meters fresh corpse hoot.

Despite intensive searches at sea with sonar on land with dogs and prods in the caves, lime kilns, draining of lakes and aerial photos of F-16 remained untraceable Natalee all these years.
 
As the show befits good detective, I also speculation and I moved into the position of Joran.
 
Here then is what my theory that night on May 30, 2005 has played:
 
Joran has his eye on Natalee drop, but it's not the standard adolescent who love butterflies in his belly.

No, he's not really the battle that can maintain normal contact with women and is only out for sex and in fact he can not a girl decorate, because most of the feeling that he was not entirely consistent.

He and Natalee in Carlos'n Charlie's agreed and slowly puts her drunk so that they later, when he gets the chance to pounce, is not on her guard.
 
Around closing time ran Carlos'n Charlie's empty, and searched all transportation to their hotels.

Joran Natalee separated from her group and suggested a taxi.

Because taxis in Aruba are all different in appearance, it was a cinch to her in the back of Deepak get.

They drove to the California Lighthouse, Natalee wanted to see sharks, but they stopped for no reason and eventually they returned and were guests of the Marriott Joran and Natalee off.

Joran suggested 'n' short-cut to take, walked to the fence around the site and open it. ... With my key (!)

Their right is the Marriott Aruba Surf Club Phase 3, in terms of structure is finished and only needs to be finished and left, a row of containers.

Joran suggests that stars and look at Natalee's remark that there is already a roof on the hotel is right, then he points to show a small building at the very end of the site.

If your building plan of the hotel on Google Earth satellite image of June 22, 2005 submit, you will find that this building is the start of the emergency stairwell # 3 of "The Spyglass Tower".

They run inside, climb on the landing, go through the stairs to the first floor and steps in a "half" room, which later the space behind the elevators would be.

They go on the floor and stare together in love to the beautiful sky and everything is nice and peaceful.

But the true nature of man is only then upwards when there are no witnesses, because there is nothing from that horrible change, it's a beast, because suddenly brutally raped Natalee and Joran then breaks her neck!

He then takes her in his arms and running down the stairs and puts her on the landing.

He jumps down, pulls her into the hallway and grabbed a fire with a twist smacks her on the ground.

Then he pushes the sand to crawl away and he pulls Natalee at her feet inside.

He crawls to the end of the room and stuffed with sand near the crack.

His shoes, where blood is, he kicks off and leaves behind this spot.

He squeezes out again and again, he then closed the gap with sand and will then smiling, barefoot into the night.
 
I have this information to the Diario passed, because I just think that the Aruban entitled to it!

By sick minds that Joran and eight actual boycott then, thanks for all your help, the whole island which is unnecessary and unjustified much damage.
 
By among other things because I not taken seriously and they offered my services and knowledge not appreciate, I hereby the Aruban people judge the credibility of my theory.
Hopefully this tip with this black chapter is finally closed and Aruba One Happy Island weather really!
    
Jurriën de Jong
Hulanda

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and he is scary ugly.............http://my.opera.com/vrolijkr/about/

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Texasmom..
Too Much to repost...lol

When he told me about a nasty smell for about two weeks around the construction site of the Marriott

Does everyone remember this ?? It is one of the most important part of searching for a dead body.
The sense of smell.

I was under the impression that Searchers looked into this.

Joran van der Sloot very much loved by fellow inmates.

http://www.indedelta.nl/?p=572

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A report is in on the confession.

In his testimony to police, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22) confessed to killing Flores Stephany Ramirez (21) after she saw an e-mail incriminating on the case Natalee Holloway .


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperu21.pe%2Fnoticia%2F493316%2Fvan-der-sloot-ya-esta-camino-penal&sl=es&tl=en

Jo-An I agree....I wish either Mark Furman or someone with his credentials did all the reporting......I am to the point to where I don;t believe much of anything I read.....

I recall one search of what I think was an abandoned hotel or apartment complex where there was a smell that prompted the search.  IIRC the end result reported was dead dogs.  

Go to this page and then click on read more and click on number 2..

Oh looky, they decorated him with blue eye shadow!!!!

It reminds me of the Greta interview. He looked like Madame the effing Muppet.

LOL

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LOL, Brandi posted a similar one yesterday! 

NOTE:  PLEASE TAKE ANY FURTHER OT CONCERNING SAILING AND ETC. TO MUSINGS.  IT WAS OKAY WHEN SOMEONE POSTED THAT THE YOUNG LADY SAILOR HAD BEEN RESCUED, BUT THE CONTINUING DISCUSSION HAS GONE ON WAY TOO LONG.  LET'S GET BACK ON TOPIC. 

If I remember correctly, and it has been a long time ago, Paulus had a brother that was very active in politics in the NL. Had been elected to a position that I thought of the time was like our Congress. Info is on a down computer.

Anita has political relatives there too.

There was dead animals at at least one location and septic odors at some too..
There was much discussion of Natalee being inside of a septic system associated to a hotel.

MUFFY is correct.  Too much going on in this case, no need for O/T here as well.

Angie, hope you are feeling better by now.......

My Bad.. I started it ..
I apologise and wont do it again..

I was under the impression the "searchers" didn't check squat! His "theory" is as plausible as any. So he saying the "Marriott" had construction going on and she is "buried" there? I'm unclear. I don't think she could have been there for 2 weeks. I could believe she was there temporarily before being moved. I don't know why it would "smell" for 2 weeks though.

The Marriott was definitely a hot spot. After the murder - Anita warned the boys to stay away from that area. Now, why would you do that Anita?

Maybe ALE will go over and look into it.
They look like they have egg on their faces and now the Dario is posting interesting things again..

Maybe Jossy will come chat with us and let us know what the hell is going on with Aruba today.

The outward appearance of Rudolf H. Vrolijk does not concern me ... only the heart and ...  Rudolf H. Vrolijk has one ugly heart.

Janet

+++++


Rudolf H. Vrolijk AKA CapsLockWizard AKA Anonimo

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating
Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

22.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here. ......

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?  Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating
Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am
 
I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


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Klaasend - Scared Monkeys

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/490120/2010/06/12/Joran-naar-Aruba-in-ruil-voor-Holloway.dhtml

Through translator:

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http://www.youtube.com/v/Wn2QsJQiKE0&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6&border=1

From this article, if I understand it correctly...all of Joran's family went to the Marriott gala Thursday night.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/joran-kiermen-e-kier-bay-bisa-polisnan-di-aruba-mes-unda-curpa-di-natalee-ta/

Papiamentu translation:

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joran kiermen the be willing to bay say polisnan by aruba self where curpa by natalee is

publication: saturday, 12 june 2010.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): kizas past owing to see the gaol at peru come to anend, y at present diripiente the will be willing to bay aruba bek before say polisnan “tur cos” by natalee?

while joran is sufriendo at peru, her mam y rumannan was diahuebs at night in one gala party at marriott ballroom at aruba. contrario at informenan anterior, owing to resulta cu the mam by joran not owing to bay peru. the is at aruba y past bay till even one celebrate!

but behold diabierna owing to open, y ministerio publico by peru owing to indica cu they're acuse oficialmente by asesinato cu “premeditation”.

by con they're haci esey? debi cu police have proof, cu for by diabierna 14 by half come to anend joran was “vigilando” stephany. past owing to remain asombra before see con quite stephany was earn hungando poker.

seems cu by stephany, the will owing to steal because 17.500 guilder, y also credit cards.

all the time, prensa dutch is indicate cu ministerio publico at aruba is loco before bay talk cu joran at peru. taco stein owing to revela esey in one interview cu cnn. past owing to indicate cu already come to anend anteriormente owing to try at contact husticia at lima, but till still not owing to attain result.

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http://www.upto11.net/generic_wiki.php?q=papiamento

Ruman homber    = brother

Rumannan = brothers & sisters

I don't know about 2005, but when I was in Aruba in 1981, there were stray dogs everywhere, and I'm not exaggerating. Ironically we stayed at the Holiday Inn where Natalee stayed.
There was this hut on the beach where they sold BBQ ribs and I used to tell my hubby (we were on honeymoon) I was worried they were "dog" ribs. we would see no less than 15-20 a day on the beach. They didn't bother people, but they were looking for food. Most of them were very thin, sickly looking.

TM - no surprise.  I've been looking for photos. ;)

Hibbert - People Magazine


At 16, Joran van der Sloot was a star athlete. He had a girlfriend to whom he wrote love notes, and with whom he danced in the rain.

(I just barfed in my hand)


Shunned by Pals

"All his friends turned their backs on him," says Aline Hibbert, 22, another former girlfriend. An increasingly desperate life accompanied by drinking, drug use and gambling led even his parents to stop supporting him, and as money ran out, he tried to extort Natalee's mom, Beth, by offering details on her daughter's death and the body's whereabouts.

(not true)


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20392801,00.html

Tamikosmom

How do you do that ?
 Your ability to repost is absolutley amazing.

By the way: if at any point there's anything unclear in a Dutch-to-English translation, I'm always willing to clear things up.
So please feel free to ask!

Joran van der Sloot fears for his life
June 12, 2010 • 17:26 Comments
 News
ReducirNormalAumentarImprimirEl confessed murderer of the teen Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot, fears for his life after being detained in maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.


According to the police said, the other inmates could threaten him because he finds that hate crime after he starred.
"I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I fear I have killed, "she said between sobs to the authorities, the newspaper said today Trome.

The publication also revealed that Van der Sloot said he wanted dialogue with U.S. authorities and disclose the whereabouts of the girl Natalee Holloway, disappeared on the island since 2005, but instead wanted to enable it to serve his sentence in Aruba.

http://www.terra.com.pe/noticias/noticias/act2372705/joran-van-der-sloot-teme-por-su-vida.html

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Poor Joran.  First he will not talk to anyone but Aruba but they are too busy with the film fest to take his calls.  Now he wants to talk to the US, maybe Greta will fly out and give him a new blankie?  Wonder which country he will try next to spin his lies to to get himself out?

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Wow, someone in the Netherlands took the image I photoshopped and added clown make up to it.

Interesting.

I made another, perhaps I should post it as well. LOL

Thank you Jo-An. 

Funny you mention that....the commercials for FOX is saying Greta's OTR show is going to be live from Peru. I think on Sunday or Monday. I didn't catch what day for sure.

TM, thanks for the Diario article.  Will be interesting to see what excuse Aruba
gives for not following up on that lead.  If I were Dave, and still on the island,
I would take a sledge hammer and go looking.

Thanks Jo-An!

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/18591-polis-ta-acusa-joram-vd-sloot-di-asesinato-y-atraco.html

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COMMENTS:

scirbi before wowopreto, june 11, 2010


Gino Scirbi pa-v, June 11, 2010


scirbi before come across???, june 12, 2010

Brandi - I thought it looked too much like yours ;)

thanks TM.....that's just wrong...even if it it joran......but we all know what a sick dysfunctional group they are....I can't  wait to see some pictures...wonder if anita has a boyfriend yet.

Nope no "clinic" for Joran...not gonna happen!  

He's in Peru now, thank goodness!

Joran wants to transfer

Joran van der Sloot, the Peruvian police investigation Dirincri offered to designate where the body of Natalee Holloway, in exchange for transfer to a prison in Aruba. That said spokeswoman Yolanda Onoc Dirincri the request.

Transfer is impossible, the spokeswoman said, because the Peruvian President Alan Garcia has said that Joran his sentence in Peru will have to sit out.

The spokeswoman could not confirm whether Van der Sloot wants to transfer because he is afraid of Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima to be killed. Peruvian media had reported this, but those reports did Onoc off as speculation.

Van der Sloot is accused of premeditated murder in the Peruvian Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima on May 30

The Public Prosecutor (OM) on Aruba has not been able to get contact with the Peruvian authorities on Joran van der Sloot, let alone a request came from his sentence for Van der Sloot in Aruba to sit. Advocate General Prosecutor Taco Stein of the eight Aruba likely that Van der Sloot in an Aruban jail ends, very small, he know Saturday. The Kingdom of the Netherlands, where Aruba is part of, has no treaty with Peru allows. He expected that Peru will not extradite Van der Sloot.

http://www.depers.nl/buitenland/486734/Joran-wil-overplaatsing.html

Oh GOODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aruba Amigoe News

Joran isolated in jail
June 12, 2010, 14:47 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (22) was transferred yesterday to the Miguel Castro Castro prison near Lima. He was indicted Friday on murder and robbery of 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores. After the indictment was filed, a Peruvian court decided shortly afterwards to a process, according to Peruvian media.

In arguing for the court, the prosecutor about a "brutal and barbaric murder," writes Peruvian newspaper El Comercio. After the session was the suspect in a police convoy, the Palace of Justice transported to prison. Outside angry spectators shouted insults and threw garbage at Joran. The Castro Castro prison is approximately one hours drive from Lima. In this prison are mainly the toughest criminals, murderers and rapists locked up. According to the Peruvian authorities, yet Joran, for his own safety, be separated from the rest of the prisoners.

Unlike manslaughter conviction for murder is the punishment of up to 35 years prison. Investigators from the police investigation Dirincri conclude that Joran should be prosecuted for robbery, said media in Peru. According to the police investigation shows that Joran his victim for some time kept an eye and saw that they won a lot of poker. Money and he would have stolen her credit cards.

Holloway
In an interview with Good Morning America program, says police chief Cesar Guardia, investigator in the murder of Stephany Flores, that Joran 'ready to talk about what happened with Natalee Holloway. " He would be the Aruban authorities to tell "if they come to Peru. Yesterday Taco Stein told Advocate General this newspaper that they were "if there was some reason to, of course, will act on new information. About travel to Peru said Stein: "We must first talk to the Peruvian authorities and see whether there is one or two persons to Peru to send." He maintains that a request for assistance must come and that this might not be so easily is because there are no agreements with Peru on this.

Colombia
Earlier this week circulated in the media and online persistent rumors that Joran might be involved in the disappearance of two Colombian girls. The Dutchman was at the time of their disappearance have been in Bogota, as a stopover en route to Peru. Colombia's DAS intelligence agency, however, with a radio station said that Joran, according to their information the airport in Bogota has not left. Van der Sloot was in Colombia at the time of the disappearances, but he was only "in transit". He has never left the airport El Dorado and has been flown to Lima, Peru, DAS said in an interview with Colombian radio station W Radio.

Accessory
Three Peruvian taxi drivers were yesterday charged with complicity. These men would Joran van der Sloot helped across the border from Chile to get after the death of Stephany Flores. They would do this also have a considerable amount charged. The drivers themselves have not contacted the police when it was known that Joran was sought.

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Nobody wants to talk with Taco Stein. It is annoying, huh? Persona non-grata.

LOL, I've been looking too!  I think they're holding out on us on purpose!

seemeatthebeach 
quote:
the commercials for FOX is saying Greta's OTR show is going to be live from Peru. I think on Sunday or Monday. I didn't catch what day for sure.  
 
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What ?? She did not invite me to along with her ? I am devastated.

 

Take it as a high compliment, Brandi Ba-nandy.

You do good work! :)

Haven't found them YET but they will turn up. Just went through 100+ photos on Facebook from one of the "actors" that was there.

You have quite the eye, Klaas!

Let's see what they can do with this one:

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Taco Stein

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OMG , I swear she has a man crush on Joran like NG does on her Ron.

Thanks, I do take it as a compliment.

You do too ;-p

ewwwwww!  Just the thought of it...

thanks Jo-An !!

Shhhh

Are there any photos of Richard Grere?

Grere s/b Gere

You do wonderful work Brandi!

Right, TxMom.  There is absolutely nothing special about Joran to warrant any kind of special treatment.  Sociopaths don't even respond well to it but he's just a garden-variety murdering punk.

They're a dime a dozen and every prison is just full of them.

Now he owes a debt to the Peruvian society of about 30 years or so.

Both Joran and his fan club need to get over the idea that some how, some way he is magically boing to be back in Aruba.

They had their chance and refused to do one thing about him.  Now he has killed again is this time he is going to pay for it.


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"Joran in the company of Colombian hitman '

UPDATE LIMA - Joran van der Sloot, who is now in the Castro Castro high-security prison locked, has asked to sit alone in a cell because he fears being killed by other inmates.
Friday was indicted in Joran, which he now suspected of murder and robbery in Stephany Flores.

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/489977/2010/06/12/Joran-in-gezelschap-van-Colombiaanse-huurmoordenaar.dhtml

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You mean like this?  LOLOL

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I'm sorry Brandi, it was 'I'. I confess.
I wanted to post that picture here first. And give you the credits for the 'pre'-work but the 'attachment'-option has disappeared in the reply field (don't understand where it's gone). And I don't know how to add an image that isn't on a separate page of a blog. And so I did it this way, posted it on a site I started a couple of months back.

Again I very much appreciate the work you did! And give you the credits for it.
You forgive me? :)

Yes, lots

.... and?

If the Aruban OM wants to know where Natalee's remain are located, why doesn't he just go ask Uncle Jan?

I think that was in one of the comments TxMom posted and it sure sounds like a very good idea.  Of coure, they would first have to want to locate the remains which we know they don't want to do.

I really believe Joran was thinking all along that even if he got caught, he would get back to Aruba with this ploy of his about telling where Natalee is.  Part of his premeditation.

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I mean I've seen lots of photos of Richard Gere in Aruba.  Here's a link to photos (none of Anita or Renfro) but some of Gere and others that were on the "Red Carpet":

http://www.arubafilmfest.com/PicGallery.asp

EURobert, I still take it as a compliment. :-) No worries. Thanks for letting me know though. (Attachments take a lot of bandwidth and I believe SM is trying to reduce bandwidth usage with all our visitors here of late.)

Klaas: Yes, like that. LOL

I agree with you Northern Rose
Greta has had a crush on Joran in the past.. That is why she was inclined to believe him, because she fell for him.

Thanks Brandi. I've added your name/credits below that picture on my site now.
Btw.: that's not 'clown'-make up; he's supposed to look sexy... For the guys... You know?! ;)

Too bad interviewers and pseudo news hosts such as Greta and NG don't even try to be objective anymore.

I am several pages behind, but I believe this is the Jairo who posted on the FP who was in Ft. Lauderdale at the time Natalee went missing...found some posts here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/10/natalee-holloway-information-vi-2/

Boekhoudt...that's the name I couldn't think of....thanks, TM.

This may anger some -- but, I don't want Joran stepping one foot out of prison in Peru even if it was 100% guranteed it would bring Natalee home. He has to pay for Stephany.


That said, I think we will find Natalee without his help. Someone will finally spill the beans.

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Sorry. :-)

Mama di Joran Van Der Sloot na ta Aruba, no na Peru

Publication: Diasabra, 12 Juni 2010. Categoria: General

Contrario na loke mayoria hende ta pensa

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RANJESTAD (AAN):  Tur hende ta kere cu Anita van der Sloot, mama di Joran, ta na Peru na e momentonan aki pa atende cu e situacion di su yiu homber mayor.

   Esaki no ta e caso.   DIARIO a constata cu Anita van der Sloot ta na Aruba y diahuebs anochi por a mire den Ballroom di Marriot Hotel durante e Bollywood Night, cual tabata un fiesta special organiza den cuadro di e Aruba International Film Festival.

    Anita van der Sloot tabata acompaña pa su otro dos yiu y tabata cana normal entre esnan presente.

   Loke tambe por a ripara ta cu practicamente prensa presente a acerca Anita pa puntre riba e situacion di su yiu Joran cual ta noticia tur dia na nivel local como internacional.

   Den medionan stranhero, corant, radio y television tur dia tin “breaking news” relaciona cu e caso di Joran van der Sloot.  Sinembargo, e hecho cu Anita van der Sloot ta na Aruba y no na Peru por ta un indicacion cu e famia mes a dicidi di cera nan curazon apesar di tur locual ta pasando rond di nan.

   Loke a pasa cu Natalee Holloway y loke a pasa na Peru ta mucho hopi.  Ta yega un momento cu un famia cu a pasa loke e famia aki a pasa den e ultimo cinco añanan, cu nan mester para fuerte riba nan zapato pa sigui cu nan bida.   Joran a scoge su destino y esey ta algo cu nan mes no por a dicidi riba dje.

   Tin indicacion si cu prensa stranhero, esnan cu ta cubriendo e caso aki y cu ta na Aruba, ta busca manera pa haya Anita van der Sloot su declaracion pero nan no kier papia nada.  E hecho cu Sra. Van der Sloot no a bay Peru tambe por ta tin di haber cu e no kier bay expone su mes na opinion publico internacional y na e presion cu esaki lo nifica pe.

   Riba potret por aprecia Anita van der Sloot kende tabata presente durante e Bollywood Night den compania di su yiunan.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/mama-di-joran-van-der-sloot-na-ta-aruba-no-na-peru/

Thanks Klaas.

I would not be surprised if Anita is already in Peru and has met with Joran.  Is it protocol for the Dutch Embassy to delivery care packages personally to all Dutch/Aruban citizens who are detained in Peruvian prisons?

Shhhh ... from my perspective Richard Gere is one good looking guy ... second only to George Clooney.

Janet

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Northern Rose
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10
« Reply #1951 on: June 10, 2010, 08:20:30 PM »

Netherlands Embassy in Lima interested if Joran Van der Sloot

Two representatives of the Embassy in Lima came to the offices of prosecutors bringing food and other items for the young Dutchman.

Two representatives of the Netherlands Embassy in Lima came to the headquarters of the Public Ministry in Abancay Avenue, where your fellow Joran Van der Sloot, the author confessed to the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores.

There were two women who arrived at the headquarters of the Office identifying themselves as representatives of the Embassy and asking for Van der Sloot.

The officers carried a black bag with food and other items for the young Dutchman.

Leaving the Public Prosecutor avoided making statements to the press.

Meanwhile, the fiscal Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor continues to evaluate the extensive crowded on the crime to determine whether a complaint against Joran before the judiciary.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-10-embajada-de-holanda-en-lima-interesada-en-caso-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_271348.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1154865#msg1154865

  LOL..
Years ago wasn't there a photo of him in KIA in Tommy Hillfigure gutchties ? Perhaps I'm wrong.. but could swear there was! lol

THANK YOU! 

Not for me. He is fine where he is. Water board his azz and find out if the `I know where Natalee is` ... is fact or fiction. (fiction I think)

Do it. Do it now.

My gray hairs have sprouted gray hairs. Elmo, gettin` old over here.

Thanks 2NJ! 

GO here, lots under bollywood but not had time to go through them yet as still running in and out checking on pool filling.

http://diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/

http://diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/

LOL, three articles down from where I got sidetracked!

Thanks Northern Rose!

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Wreck ... I agree 100%.

I have prayed that Aruban justice would prevail for Natalee.  I have prayed that Natalee's parents would be afforded the opportunity to bring their precious dauther home.  However ... the writing is on the wall in regards to an early release if allowed to serve his time in Aruba/Holland ... an early release which would put other Stephanys and Natalees at risk.

Janet
 

  Anita and Valentijn should have shown respect to Stephany Flores and her  family by staying home instead of going out in public and partying.  JMHO

Somehow I must have missed this, why would Aruba host a film festival, and of all things a Bollywood night  LOL  Is Aruba the place too go to make low budget films?

AIFF - Aruba International Film Festival

Yes, Aruba has always been a low budget everything ;)

On CNN this week they talked about the hotel footage, and that the reporter saw the whole footage, including the part where Joran goes out for coffee, wearing the same clothes (white shirt) as he wore walking in with Stephany.
How come this footage was never shown to the public? I thought after they released the "missing" part where he fakes to have lost his key, they might release the final missing part as well...

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I hope the Judge rules right before July 4th.  This way the Kalpoes will get the message right before our holiday.

Even if the Kalpoes didn't murder Natalee they are in fact guilty of drugging, kidnap and rape.  They were present when Joran murdered her.

I would say they are dogs... but it would be an insult.

To canines the world over.

I think some of these reporters make stuff up.  I have found myself yelling at the TV more than once.

I believe the footage or reconstruction of what happen that day was canceled twice. Actually I don't know if they did it or not. But I watched a video where the reporter walks to a gas station is next to the hotel. others said that he bought coffee in Wong.

*sigh* Yes it's very frustrating... You don't know who to believe anymore.

http://story.argentinastar.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/c08dd24cec417021/id/646657/cs/1/

Van der Sloot agrees to reveal the burial place of Holloway in Aruba
Argentina Star
Saturday 12th June, 2010 

Joran Van der Sloot will tell authorities from Aruba where he buried Natallee Holloway's body, according to Peruvian officials.

Joran Van der Sloot, the Dutchman who has long been accused of murdering Natalee Holloway, has now indicated to Peruvian authorities that he will tell them where the body of the US teen is buried.

“Yes, Joran is ready to discuss this whenever officials from Aruba can come to Peru,” said General Cesar Guardia to US news provider ABC.

Guardia is in charge of the separate investigation of Van der Sloot’s role in the murder in Peru of another young woman, Stephany Flores Ramirez, who was 21 at the time.

While Van der Sloot has confessed to killing Ramirez in a fit of rage after she used his laptop without permission, he had long denied killing Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005.

He was arrested twice and spent three months in detention over the murder, but Van der Sloot, whose father is a prominent judge, was never charged for her murder.

The recent willingness to reveal where her body is buried will therefore come as a breakthrough in the case against him and provide closure to Holloway’s family.

Her disappearance in Aruba in 2005 created a media frenzy in the US, Europe and the Caribbean.


Read the comments - here is one..

By ibn , 06-12-10, 10:05 PM
i do belive mr van de slooty is in for a grand vacation in one of perus finest prisons, he just might live for a few months, then he will get sick from a small steel shiv. the sickness will be from complete loss of blood. i’d put money on it. you dont treat peoples daughters that way jek!!!

Just this

smell of decomposition in the waters


Here is something I found odd and interesting about a very foul smell right off the Mariott about 5 months after Natalee's disappearance. I FIRST POSTED THIS IN NOVEMBER 2005: regarding a smell of decomposition in the waters off of the beach at Marriott hotel, which a poster posted on TripAdvisor.
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This post on Trip Advisor referring to a very bad odor emitting from the waters in front of the Marriott:   

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147247-i144-k355275-_Back_from_Aruba-l2179545-Aruba.html#2179545

June 9th at 7pm the premiere of the movie 3 Idiots, will not even comment.

Just a thought, but I suddenly remembered that Beth had given Natalee  a number of one dollar bills for her Aruba trip. Does anyone remember how many? Was it 100 dollars worth?

The reason I'm asking is that Joran might have killed Stephany for her money, and I'm now wondering if money might have been a factor for Joran to target Natalee. Suppose, if Natalee had the dollar bills either rolled up together (in a gambler's roll) or in a billfold, and if Joran saw it when they were at the Casino, then Joran might have mistaken the bills to be a big wad of money (not realizing that they were all ones).

Then either Joran wanted to rob Natalee, or it is possible he could have exploded into violence when he found out he had drugged her for only a roll of ones.

Just something to maybe consider.

I remember Dave or Paul Reynolds checking that out.  I think it was closer to the Fishermans Huts.

I didn't know that is legal in Aruba gambling being under age. At the time he had  money from his dad.

That's what I think too.

LOL-Good question!   And did you get a look at the "Golden Aruba" award they gave Richard Gere? lol
Maybe Klaas can find a picture-it was in the first batch she posted last night.

Joran had money problems while in Peru, even though he just got ten thousand dollars in cash by extortion, and maybe another fifteen thousand dollars in the wire transfer (fraud), which I don't know if Joran was able to actually get that 15K.

So it's possible Joran is the type of lad that has always been looking for easy money, even when he was 17 years old. And a big roll of one dollar bills can look like a very pleasing amount of money to someone who doesn't realize that they are all ones.

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/18622-lesa-e-confesion-di-joran-vd-sloot.html

It says you can download Joran's confession here, but it doesn't work for me.

I suspect that Anita is nearing a breakdown.  The above image tells me that she no longer has the strength to uphold her diabolical son.  The five year  facade is about to end and ... it was all for naught.

Anita was never in denial.  It was all about "protecting" Joran from the consequences of his actions.  To H--- with Natalee.  To H---- with Natalee's family.

Five years ago ... if the entire ugly truth had been forthcoming ... as a minor the consequences would have been dealt with by now ... lessons regarding accountability would have been learn ... justice would have prevailed for Natalee ... a family would have been afforded a measure of closure as their loved one rested on American soil and ... the Natalee Holloway story would now be a distance memory.

Anita ... you blew it big time.  I pity you.

Janet

Good points.

I believe:

Natalee -

1st intention was sex. Wanted to have a little video to upload to his sadistic website and maybe make some money off it, after.

Stephany -

Money - he was at the end of his rope.

1. Lust
2. Greed

Hang him, Peru.

It's 10 pages, PDF and it's working for me.  When I'm done I'll put in images and post.

Thanks, Klaas. 

I completely agree with you, Wreck!  No interviews, no visits, no attention at all for that psycho murdering s.o.b.  Let him rot in the Peruvian prison.  I hope the judges do give him 35 years and if he lasts then we'll deal with him again when he gets out, until then he should cease to exist to the rest of the world.

There ARE others in (and from) Aruba that can tell the truth about Natalee and where she is.  Natalee deserves to come home to rest and her family deserves to know the truth. 

One of the cowards that was paid off or threatened or even volunteered to keep quiet all these years needs to finally grow a pair and step forward.

Clyde Burke - are you listening????

I agree 100 percent with you.I hope Joran stays right where he is.Locked away and not hurting anyone else...

JA

We need you!!

Janet

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THE CONFESSION

http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/juni/juni12/confecionjoranperu.pdf

Try clicking on this link


Joran vdSloot Peru Confession

Hopefully someone that understands Spanish can tell us if anything new in it

Yes, it's working for me too now.  Thanks for posting it for us!

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Perhaps Anita is just a little slut that has been asking for it?

What say you?

Janet, you have so nailed it!  Maybe someone told her to 'act normally', after all Joran has denied his involvement in Stephany's murder, then cried out how he was 'forced' into confession, without legal support, etc., etc., then trying to negotiate giving up Natalee's burial place for consideration from NL and Aruba to get him back.   Maybe she believes it, maybe ?????????  Her 'love' is blind, regardless. 

OH!  The confession is in Spanish.  It is all Dutch to me.

Janet

Janet, thank you for answering my post earlier.

Touche.

Someone needs a better fax machine or scanner. That`s pitiful.

They might have well send those docs by donkey.

You are welcome Maggie.

Janet

LOL, I was thinking the same...

The picture of anita crying made me sad. Is she crying because she lost money in the casino?

Excellent post!!

I agree with both of you! 

I agree Muffy. But the Sloots don't respect anyone.  They think they are the superior ones.  Let's not forget they are mad at Peru for treating their son in such an inhumane way.

Go figure.

Muffy, you are so right.  I don't think Anita knows what it means to have respect for others and she certainly has not, as a parent, taught her children to have respect for others.

Part of me would like to feel a bit sorry for her, but I cannot.  I do not.  She sat on that talk show - Pauw and Witteman or whatever its called and insinuated that Natalee's family and friends bore some guilt/responsibility for Natalee's disappearance.

Anita has about 5 more days to publicly apologize to Beth and the Flores family specifically and the world in general for the monster she created, defended, and then set loose.  After that, she too should be held responsible.  I can't even imagine how awkward any room she entered over the past week must feel.


Tick tock, Anita.  Do something right, do it right now.  You still have Sebastian and it's possible you can still save him if you act now.

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When Anita described Natalee's panties in front of Beth, that did it for me.  I don't feel one bit sorry for Anita. 

A report is in on the confession. I posted this about 4 pages ago

In his testimony to police, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22) confessed to killing Flores Stephany Ramirez (21) after she saw an e-mail incriminating on the case Natalee Holloway .


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperu21.pe%2Fnoticia%2F493316%2Fvan-der-sloot-ya-esta-camino-penal&sl=es&tl=en




Go to this page and then click on read more and click on number 2..

Greta wanted to crawl under a table, but then she was inclined not to!

Made me mad too.

Well said, Lifesong!!

This is the article on the same page as the confession download...

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/18622-lesa-e-confesion-di-joran-vd-sloot.html

Papiamentu translation:

exclusivo: the confesion by joran v/d sloot

internacional

saturday, 12 june 2010 19:01

for by we reportero marko espinoza at lima,peru 24ora.com owing to succeed attain the confesion can completo by joran v/d sloot where the declara by owing to kill the young peruvian stephany flores. the documento cu is 10 pagina largo, is company y have fingerprint by joran v/d sloot. one part interesting is the dilaster pagina where joran is declara by will colabora cu autoridadnan by aruba before indica where the curpa by natalee holloway is, owing to cambio the is desea by happen her time in gaol at aruba, country cu the is concidera her cas (home). click read more before attain the link before download the confesion can completo y give thou comentario.

And Anita had the wherewithall to get up and get a towel to mop up Paulus' sweat.

She wasn't even the least bit flustered.

I remember Greta saying this on her show and she said she was mortified and wanted to crawl under the table.

Anita has no shame.  Only a sick person would do something like that.

Disgusting.

I bet she has a lot less laundry since Paulus croaked.  Think of all the towels she saved.

... and she and "Scared Monkeys" were CREDITED!
Pre-work: Brandi – ScaredMonkeys.net

(Probably already noted, but I'm pages behind.)

continued..

 In his testimony to police, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22) confessed to killing Flores Stephany Ramirez (21) after she saw an e-mail incriminating on the case Natalee Holloway .

En la manifestación del ciudadano extranjero en presencia de un abogado de oficio, un fiscal y un traductor, este reveló que conoció a la joven tres días antes del crimen y que el pasado domingo 30 se volvieron a encontrar en el casino Atlantic City de Miraflores. In the event of a foreign citizen in the presence of a lawyer, a prosecutor and a translator, this revealed that he met the girl three days before the murder on Sunday and 30 were found again in the casino Atlantic City of Miraflores.

De acuerdo al atestado, él y la joven se retiraron a las 05:30 horas del local y se dirigieron al hotel TAC -donde se hospedaba el holandés- porque a Stephany se le ocurrió jugar póker en Internet . According to official report, he and the young were removed at 05:30 hours local hotel and went to the TAC, where he was staying Dutchman "because he thought Stephany play poker online.

Cuando estaban en el cuarto, Van der Sloot, cuya pericia psicológica reveló que es psicótico y mentiroso , recibió en su laptop un correo que decía “te voy a matar mongolito” y que se trataba de la desaparición de la estadounidense Natalee Holloway en Aruba hace cinco años. When they were in the room, Van der Sloot, which disclosed that psychological expertise is psychotic and a liar , he received an email on his laptop saying "I'll kill mongolito" and that it was the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba ago five years.

El holandés habló a Stephany sobre el caso y que hasta lo habían detenido. Stephany The Dutchman spoke about the case and had even stopped. Ella -según Joran- le dio un golpe en la cabeza con su puño y él le dio un codazo en el rostro, dejándola aturdida. She-as-Joran gave her a blow on the head with his fist and elbowed him in the face, leaving her stunned. “La tomé por el cuello y la estrangulé durante un minuto . "I took her by the neck and choked for a minute. Como aún se movia, me saqué la camisa y con ella le tapé la cara por varios minutos, hasta que quedó inmóvil”, contó el holandés a las autoridades. As yet moved, I took off my shirt and she covered my face for several minutes, until it was motionless, "the Dutchman told the authorities.

Después, Joran van de Sloot abandonó el hotel en la camioneta de Stephany, pero tras dejar el vehículo estacionado en Surco, abordó un taxi que lo llevó a Nasca (Ica) por 500 soles y otro rumbo a Arica (Chile), que le cobró US$ 1,500. Then Joran van de Sloot left the hotel at Stephany van, but after leaving the vehicle parked in Surco, boarded a taxi that took him to Nasca (Ica) for 500 soles and another way to Arica (Chile), which charged him $ 1,500.

She`s just jealous because her panties are big enough for two burly Romanian wrestlers to use as a sleeping bag.

To sleep, perchance to have a very bad dream. :0

Pages 9 and 10 where he is mentioning the Holloway case:

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(Tickets $220.)

Spanish to English translation
In His Testimony to police, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22) confessed to killing Flores Stephany Ramirez (21) After she saw an e-mail incriminating on the Natalee Holloway case.

In the event of a foreign citizen in the presence of a lawyer, a prosecutor and a translator, this revealed that he met the girl three days before the murder on Sunday and 30 were found again in the Atlantic City casino de Miraflores. In the event of a U.S. foreign citizen in the Presence of a lawyer, a prosecutor and a translator, this Revealed That I met the girl three days before the murder on Sunday and 30 Were found again in the Atlantic City casino of Miraflores.

According to official report, he and the young were removed at 05:30 hours local hotel and went to the TAC, where he was staying Dutchman "because he thought Stephany play poker online. According To official report I Were removed and the young at 5:30 PM local hotel and went to the TAC, Where He Was Staying Dutchman "Because I Thought Stephany play poker online.

When they were in the room Van der Sloot, which disclosed that psychological expertise is psychotic and a liar, he received an email on his laptop saying "I'll kill mongolito" and that it was the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba ago five years. When They Were in the room, Van der Sloot, Disclosed That Which Psychological expertise is psychotic and a liar, I Received an email on historical laptop saying "I'll kill mongolito" And That It Was the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba ago five years.

Stephany The Dutchman spoke about the case and had even stopped. Stephany The Dutchman spoke about the case and HAD Even stopped. She-as-Joran gave her a blow on the head with his fist and elbowed him in the face, leaving her stunned. She-as-Joran Gave her a blow on the head With his fist and elbowed him in the face, Leaving her stunned. "I took her by the neck and choked for a minute. "I took her by the Choked and neck for a minute. As yet moved, I took off my shirt and she covered my face for several minutes, until it was motionless," the Dutchman told the authorities. Moved As yet, I took off my shirt and she Covered my face for Several minutes, Until It Was motionless, "the Dutchman Told the Authorities.

Then Joran van de Sloot left the hotel at Stephany van, but after leaving the vehicle parked in Surco, boarded a taxi that took him to Nasca (Ica) for 500 soles and another way to Arica (Chile), which charged him $ 1,500. Joran van de Sloot Then left the hotel at Stephany van, But After Leaving the vehicle parked in Surco, boarded a taxi That took him to Nasca (Ica) for 500 soles and Another Way to Arica (Chile), Which charged him $ 1,500.

AVDS and Sindy Anthony are twins, separated at birth.  There is not an ounce of compassion between the two of them. 

This reminded me of that commercial Wendy's did years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaMUfxVJVQ

mongolito    14 up, 6 down

mongolito means +++++ in spanish


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mongolito

Yep.

You`re killing me over here, San. (wendy`s commercial)

We need to bottle your sense of humor!

Joran van der Sloot: "I fear being killed in jail

Confessed murderer of Stephany Flores said he believed that attacked him in prison to avenge death of Stephany Flores. Requested serving time in Aruba
Saturday June 12, 2010 - 10:58 a.m.
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The citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands expressed his fear of being killed after being interned in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.

"I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I have fear to kill me, "sobbed the confessed murderer of the police Stephany Flores.

According to the newspaper Trome, Dutchman called on the authorities to enable it to purge sentence in Aruba. In return, promised to reveal the exact spot where the corpse of the young American girl Natalee Holloway.

ASKS SECURITY
Joran van der Sloot, by such means, he asked the officers who provide security in believing that attacked him inside the detention center.

The European request was included in the BAP that sent the address of Criminology to Attorney General.

Thanks, Carpe!  I was wondering about that.

Awww poor baby.  Guess what Joran you are correct in saying they are going to kill you in prison.

They should never cut a deal like this.

I really would like to know how Anita feels when she sees Natalee's mother crying and now Stephanie's parents. I just finished to see some pictures of Stephanie's mother and Stephani in FB, dancing laughing just being happy and now all of that is gone , really see those pictures made very sad :(

trome.com

'Murderer, you will die in jail! "
By M. Beteta
El extranjero llevaba las manos y pies enmarrocados.
 



Gringo murderer! You will die in jail! Where's the body of your other victim! ". With these words full of anger and resentment, shouted loudly, bystanders and relatives of some prisoners vented their anger against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23) confessed murderer Stephany Flores (21), while being transferred to the prison 'Castro Castro. "

Such was the fury of the crowd almost lynched him. As the police formed a shield around him, threw garbage in front of the premises of the Permanent Court Time, located in the block 5 Abancay Avenue. From there he was taken under tight security at the courthouse lockup.

By the time he was taken into an ambulance, along with 11 other detainees, they threw a plastic bag with tangerine peel and bits of toilet paper used.

Others threw a piece of mud that nearly falls on his head, while the insults grew louder.

The stranger had his hands and feet enmarrocados. He tried to cover his head with a blanket, but the curious and relatives of other detainees pulled her, leaving her face uncovered.

After addressing the ambulance INPE, was born in just fifteen minutes to the lockup of the Judiciary, heavily guarded.

Head down

When they reached the Palace of Justice, the Cotabambas shred the murderer was the last to come down after the other detainees.

The soldiers forced him to bow his head to enter the lockup. In that seat was the head of INPE, Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal.

Two hours later, the Dutchman ambulance raised again and this time he was transferred directly only maximum security prison "Castro Castro", located in the area of Canto Grande, San Juan de Lurigancho.

When leaving the lockup of the Judiciary, the alien again been the target of insults from all calibers and even some women tried to approach him to hit him with their portfolios and journals, but police prevented him. The agents, who had formed a cordon to protect it, prevented the attack.

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)

Aline is demonstrating the problem for Joran that all his friends, his family and the officials are willing to lie for him. Aline knows that's a lie because she was part of his friends network and they ALL still talk to him. Why we even saw evidence of that right here at SM. ARUBA NEEDS TO STOP COVER-ING UP

Why didn't cha know she's a robo poster


just kidding

carpe,

I'm enjoying your work.
:)

Now that they have him in prison, can't they just hook him up to a lie detector and ask him questions about Natalee? If they have his jewels attached to a battery I really think they might get some good answers from him! If he lies, zap him. Hell, zap him anyway.

In case you missed the picture, I don't think Joran has any jewels large enough to hook onto ;)

tee hee! that is the truth Klaas!

Hahaha!

You beat me to the punch, Klaas.

Was just about to say that they cannot find any.

....AND THE VAN DER SLOOT BAND PLAYED ON.


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/titanic.jpg)

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/1ANITA-VAN-DER-SLOOT.jpg)

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/confessionssouthbeach5june101.jpg)

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/poorbabyplease.jpg)

That picture of Anita at the Film Festival....looks to me like a rat is running across the
table and they are all in shock.

;) masha danki, kermie!

Oh dear, the taxi brothers are in much more trouble than I thought. Apparently they charged Joran too much (“extortion” – ironic, no?). Also, apparently Joran told them he was “wanted for something he didn’t do” and they didn’t turn him in.

"They were processed with limited subpoena for the crime of failure to report, having facilitated the transportation of Van der Sloot, for allegedly having knowledge of the crime which had incurred and for not having reported this to the authorities," the document says. The penalty for this crime is no more than two years in prison.

I am not going to apologize for getting it wrong. Just the usual sloppy spreading of rumors.

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I made a comment about how Joran must have hated having to leave his passport at the hotel desk. (Yes, we were told that the hotel still had his passport, I saw that with my own lying eyes.) But last night I moseyed over to Over There and picked up on something odd. In the video of unpacking Joran’s back pack, there seems to be a Dutch passport. No less an authority than Hannie claims it’s current. Did Joran indeed have two passports?

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Vrolijk dead at 31 of heart attack – God I hope this case doesn’t spawn more shango simian codetalkers CLW talking coffee pots. Carpe will run out of impaling sticks.

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I think Anita has broken the spokes of the Aruba welcome wagon. She should pick up and move back to The Netherlands, or Spain, maybe even change her name.

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See y'all in a little while.

Observations:

Titanic =  Aruba
Anita = last time I saw someone with their hand in their pocket like that they had committed Arubacide
Valentijn = June 5, 2010 while his brother is in Peruvian jail on murder charges he's partying at a place called CONFESSIONS

Joran = meet the dark side.  We knew it was there but rarely saw it