Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22

[mojo]

Does anyone remember Melody's early posts where she was defending Urine?  Did she say something about him becoming upset about what was happening to Natalee and he  supposedly left?   

has melody finally changed her tune? or has the version of why joran is so maligned changed?   

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[SS]

6.  April 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I would love to see more justice also. For instance: what will they do with Joran’s confession that his father smuggled a cell into his cell? But failing to bring more justice than I did, does not mean the legal system of Aruba fails.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments



Patrick's statement is ridiculous.  He hasn't brought any justice to anything.  A group of degenerate 17 year olds did not pull this horrendous crime off by themselves.  They did not kidnap an American tourist, drug her, gang rape her, video tape her, and dispose of her by themselves.  The "higher powers" pulled this off and they are adult males who know exactly what happened and they were involved in the entire scenario.

SS ... I agree.

Did Patrick van der Eem ... Did Peter de Vries ... really believe that a video recording which only implicated Joran van der Sloot was really going to bring closure to the family of Natalee Holloway?  Did these two really believe that once Beth Holloway was given an opportunity to reflect she was not going to realize that something was not right?

Think about the video recording.  Joran only implicated himself and a "unknown" accomplish in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  Deepak and Satish were distanced.  Paulus was distanced.  Steve Croes was distanced.  The sons of the elite were distanced.  The conflicting declarations were non issues.  The evidence was a non issue.  The witnesses were non issues.  Those who were aware of or participated in the corrupt investigation were non-issues.

The agenda ... keep it simple ... appease and silence Beth Holloway ... make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory and ... the "Happy Island" can once again become the "Happy Island".

Think about it.  Joran was the perfect sacrificial lamb.  He was a minor in May, 2005 and ... accountability ... if any ... would be minimal.

... and chances were good that the video recording would be ruled by an Aruban court as insufficient evidence or ... dismissed on a legal technicality.

In my opinion!!!

Janet

This is why I believe that the video was a fabrication, planned in advance by Patrick and Urine.  The entire crime was wrapped up with a nice little bow so that nobody could be found guilty.  The only real offenses that could be prosecuted, based on that video, were the cell phone that Paulass smuggled into the jail and the disposal of Natalee's body.  I think that Patrick, and probably Urine, were hoping to bring the investigation to a close and the two of them would go off with the proceeds from Patirck's soon to be released book.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet and SS,

I share your skepticism about Patrick.  That confession of Joran's has resulted in ZILCH, and I'm sure none of Natalee's loved ones have any peace at all. 

I think Patrick would love for us to believe Joran, but I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth, hidden camera or not.  

SS, you are right that a bunch of kids, and not the sharpest knives in the drawer, pulled off this colossal crime against Natalee, and the ensuing cover up.  No way Paulus and his buddies are not at the center of this whole thing.

For this reason, I am grateful that Peter DeVries is investigating Paulus, as this is where the investigation needed to be all along.  Apparently Peter DeVries doesn't "have peace" about this story either, as he's still digging in.

Investigate Paulus. Investigate Paulus.  Investigate Paulus.

I can't wait.

Helen ... Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem are on the same mindset regarding the video recording.  They are of the opinion that they jointly solved the case when Joran confessed.

A review of transcripts of interviews following the airing of the video recording as well as a boo at Peter and Patrick's respective websites are important reminders regarding their positions.

Janet

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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

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[Dayhiker]

OK, I'll keep blabbing.   

It's funny how the OM can't use Patrick's undercover tape of Joran's confession, the OM can't  work with Patrick on a "wiretap" investigation, but they can use wiretaps on the Luis Mansur et al drug and money laundering investigation. 

Paulus of course will argue that no wiretaps of anyone are legal, especially HIM.

 

BINGO! HAT'S OFF TO YOU HELEN. This has been the story of their judicial system. Make the law up as you go along to suit your purpose.  Whoever controls the Dutch judges controls the case.

[Dayhiker]

Investigate Paulus. Investigate Paulus.  Investigate Paulus.

I can't wait.

That's it. Look deep into his financial records, find out where his income is derived. He couldn't be floating his son's drug-gambling-drinking-traveling habits, paying one of the highest lawyer's fees in the US plus countless others, and flying his family all over kingdom come on the money he makes. They need to find out who Pustus is beholden to, and who is beholden to Pustus.

[Helen Back]

Janet and SS,

I share your skepticism about Patrick.  That confession of Joran's has resulted in ZILCH, and I'm sure none of Natalee's loved ones have any peace at all. 

I think Patrick would love for us to believe Joran, but I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth, hidden camera or not.  

SS, you are right that a bunch of kids, and not the sharpest knives in the drawer, pulled off this colossal crime against Natalee, and the ensuing cover up.  No way Paulus and his buddies are not at the center of this whole thing.

For this reason, I am grateful that Peter DeVries is investigating Paulus, as this is where the investigation needed to be all along.  Apparently Peter DeVries doesn't "have peace" about this story either, as he's still digging in.

Investigate Paulus. Investigate Paulus.  Investigate Paulus.

I can't wait.

Helen ... Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem are on the same mindset regarding the video recording.  They are of the opinion that they jointly solved the case when Joran confessed.

A review of transcripts of interviews following the airing of the video recording as well as a boo at Peter and Patrick's respective websites are important reminders regarding their positions.

Janet

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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

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You're right, Janet.  Peter's comments after the show aired don't seem as if he has further suspicions of Paulus.  They were weak, at best.

However, my feelings about Patrick's involvement have changed since Peter's show, and I would guess that Beth's have, and Natalee's loved ones as well.  I must admit, at first I thought Patrick's efforts on Natalee's behalf were sincere.  Since that time, based on the inaction of the OM and Patrick's subsequent comments, I agree that it all appears to be an attempt to distance everyone but Joran, in the hope that everyone will drop it.

Perhaps Peter DeVries also has had a change of heart regarding whether or not the case has been solved. 

I certainly hope so.

[SS]

It looks like Patrick is sticking to the story about Natalee being dumped in the ocean.


Sunday, May 4th, 2008

Paragnosten welkom bij Hans Mos Paragnost welcome to Hans Mos
De website van De Telegraaf meldt dat het Arubaanse OM bereid is te luisteren naar helderzienden bij het oplossen van de zaak-Holloway. The website of De Telegraaf reports that the Aruban OM is prepared to listen to psychics to solve the Holloway case. Hoofdofficier van justitie Hans Mos zegt dat hij alle tips over de zaak natrekt, ook die van mensen die zich als medium presenteren. Hoofdofficier Prosecutor Hans Mos says he all tips about the case natrekt, including those of people who present themselves as a medium.

Van Peter R. From Peter R. de Vries is bekend dat hij niet in waarzeggers en mediums gelooft. de Vries is known that he does not believe in waarzeggers and mediums. Hij heeft in ieder geval het voordeel van de twijfel aan zijn zijde, omdat er nog nooit echt een zaak door helderzienden en andere mediums is opgelost. He has in any case the benefit of the doubt on his side, because there never really a case by other psychics and mediums is resolved.

Zelf vind ik dat het geen kwaad kan en geloof ik er in ieder geval in dat heldere en nieuwe inzichten kunnen bijdragen aan de oplossing van een zaak. Personally, I think that it can not hurt and I believe there is in any case in clear and new insights that can contribute to solving a case.

Voor mij staat vast wat er met het lichaam van Natalee is gebeurd, maar in mijn gesprekken met Joran ben ik er nooit achter gekomen of hij haar ook nog iets heeft aangedaan. For me it is common what to do with the body of Natalee has happened, but in my conversations with Joran I never found out whether he's still something has affected. Joran bleef dat altijd ontkennen. Joran was always denied.

De Telegraaf meldt dat het OM niet van plan is het onderzoek in de zaak-Holloway af te ronden. De Telegraaf reports that the PPS has no intention of the investigation into the Holloway case to a conclusion. Mos: ‘Door de uitzending van Peter R. Mos: "The broadcast of Peter R. de Vries is er een stroom van informatie op gang gekomen, en het is aan Van der Sloot zelf te wijten dat hij een zwengel aan de zaak gaf.’ de Vries, there is a flow of information has emerged, and it's up to Van der Sloot himself that he attributed to a crank to the case said. "

Ui de duizenden emails die de redactie krijgt en de tientallen die ik nog steeds krijgt, blijkt wel dat er een niet aflatende stroom is van mensen die zelf allemaal heel zeker weten wat er met Natalee is gebeurd. Ui the thousands of emails that the editors and gets the dozens I still get shows that there is an unceasing flow of people who are all very sure what happened to Natalee. Van mensen die beweren dat Natalee onder die ‘Mangrove-achtige dingen is begraven, verzwaard met zijn schoenen die haar naar beneden hebben gezogen’ tot een gehandicapte vrouw die hulp vraagt bij het doorzoeken van de waterput in de tuin van de familie op Aruba. From people who claim that Natalee under which "Mangrove-like stuff is buried, have been aggravated by shoes that have sucked her down 'to a disabled woman seeking help in the search of the well in the garden of the family in Aruba.

Ik wil u haar email niet onthouden, vooral ook vanwege de stelligheid van haar visie. I would not remember her email, particularly because of the certainty of its vision.

To everyone who is searching for Natalee Holloway, To everyone who is searching for Natalee Holloway,

Natalee Holloway was not buried at sea. She is buried in a water well on the van der sloot property. Dave Holloway needs to quit wasting time at sea and request a search warrant to search the abandoned water well on the van der sloot property. Natalee is in the well and not in the ocean. Natalee Holloway was not buried at sea. She is buried in a water well on the van der sloot property. Dave Holloway needs to quit wasting time at sea and request a search warrant to search the abandoned water well on the van der sloot property. Natalee is in the well and not in the ocean.

Paulus has everyone on a wild goose chase searching for Natalee when he knows he buried her in the water well on his property. Paulus has everyone on a wild goose chase searching for Natalee when he knows he buried her in the water well on his property. Why doesn’t anyone listen to me? It is true. I watched Paulus van der Sloot say it on FoxNews in 2006. Why does not anyone listen to me? It is true. I watched Paul van der Sloot say it on FoxNews in 2006.

Someone please help me find Natalee Holloway? Someone please help me find Natalee Holloway?

Paulus has taken the time to hide Natalee’s body on his property. Please help me get her out. I am disabled and cannot travel to Aruba, so I need a SuperCop to help me find Natalee in the van der Sloot’s abandoned water well, which Paulus van der Sloot refuses to allow anyone to search his property so he hides behind his judicial robe to keep anyone from searching his property and the abandoned water well . Paulus has taken the time to hide Natalee's body on his property. Please help me get her out. I am disabled and can not travel to Aruba, so I need a SuperCop to help me find Natalee in the van der Sloot's abandoned water well, which Paulus van der Sloot refuses to allow anyone to search his property so he hides behind his judicial robe to keep anyone from searching his property and the abandoned water well.

Thank you, Thank you,

Loretta Garcia Loretta Garcia

Uiteraard ben ik er duizend procent zeker van dat Natalee in zee is gedumpt en is er geen reden om te twijfelen aan de bekentenissen die de verdachte zelf aan mij heeft gedaan op dit hoofdpunt. Of course I'm a thousand percent sure that Natalee is dumped into the sea and there is no reason to doubt the confessions by the accused themselves to me has done in this headline.

He niet onderzoeken van deze waterput zal uiteindelijk weer leiden tot de ‘zekerheid’ bij duizenden mensen dat Natalee inderdaad daar ligt begraven. He does not examine this well will eventually lead to the "security" for thousands of people that Natalee is indeed buried there. En dat geldt net zo goed voor al die andere tips.Dat blijft het dilemma van het Arubaanse OM. And that applies equally well to all those other tips.Dat remains the dilemma of the Aruban OM. Ze kunnen de komende jaren het hele eiland wel afgraven. They can in the coming years the whole island called stripping.

Maar die waterput? But this well? Ach, voor hun eigen PR zou het OM daar best eens een zaak van kunnen maken, zodat ze in ieder geval kunnen stellen dat ze er alles aan hebben gedaan om te proberen de zaak tot een goed einde te brengen. Oh, for their own PR because it would be best for another case to make, so they in any case can argue that they have done everything possible to try the case to a successful conclusion. Dan is een waterput op het land van de Van der Sloot’s in ieder geval altijd nog meer plausibel dan een ‘graf aan de ‘oostzijde van het eiland’ of het verzinsel dat Natalee ‘nog leeft en in Venezuela woont’ (daar valt een hoogblond Amerikaans meisje dat geen Spaans spreekt zeker helemaal niet op!) Then a well on the land of the Van der Sloot's always be more plausible than a 'grave in the east of the island' or an invention that Natalee 'still alive and lives in Venezuela' (there is a hoogblond American girl who speaks no Spanish certainly do not!)

Natalee heeft een zeemansgraf gekregen, niet in het water van een put, maar in de oceaan. Natalee has received a burial at sea, not in the water of a pit, but in the ocean.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://patrickvandereem.nl/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=47&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djoran%2Bthailand%2Baruba%26num%3D50%26hl%3Den

[Tamikosmom]

6.  April 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I would love to see more justice also. For instance: what will they do with Joran’s confession that his father smuggled a cell into his cell? But failing to bring more justice than I did, does not mean the legal system of Aruba fails.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments



Patrick's statement is ridiculous.  He hasn't brought any justice to anything.  A group of degenerate 17 year olds did not pull this horrendous crime off by themselves.  They did not kidnap an American tourist, drug her, gang rape her, video tape her, and dispose of her by themselves.  The "higher powers" pulled this off and they are adult males who know exactly what happened and they were involved in the entire scenario.

SS ... I agree.

Did Patrick van der Eem ... Did Peter de Vries ... really believe that a video recording which only implicated Joran van der Sloot was really going to bring closure to the family of Natalee Holloway?  Did these two really believe that once Beth Holloway was given an opportunity to reflect she was not going to realize that something was not right?

Think about the video recording.  Joran only implicated himself and a "unknown" accomplish in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  Deepak and Satish were distanced.  Paulus was distanced.  Steve Croes was distanced.  The sons of the elite were distanced.  The conflicting declarations were non issues.  The evidence was a non issue.  The witnesses were non issues.  Those who were aware of or participated in the corrupt investigation were non-issues.

The agenda ... keep it simple ... appease and silence Beth Holloway ... make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory and ... the "Happy Island" can once again become the "Happy Island".

Think about it.  Joran was the perfect sacrificial lamb.  He was a minor in May, 2005 and ... accountability ... if any ... would be minimal.

... and chances were good that the video recording would be ruled by an Aruban court as insufficient evidence or ... dismissed on a legal technicality.

In my opinion!!!

Janet

This is why I believe that the video was a fabrication, planned in advance by Patrick and Urine.  The entire crime was wrapped up with a nice little bow so that nobody could be found guilty.  The only real offenses that could be prosecuted, based on that video, were the cell phone that Paulass smuggled into the jail and the disposal of Natalee's body.  I think that Patrick, and probably Urine, were hoping to bring the investigation to a close and the two of them would go off with the proceeds from Patirck's soon to be released book.

Good possibility!

However ... I am inclined to give Peter and Patrick "alittlebit" of the benefit of the doubt that they were betrayed and ... not in on any deceit in regards to the video recording.

The Dutch and Aruban law enforcements were aware of the project  at the time when Joran, Deepak and Satish were detained.  These law enforcements had been approach for cooperation but ... some law (BOB law) prevented that from happening ... so Patrick and Peter were on their own.

However ... I contend that those who share with the "powers that be" in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway are being naive.  They do not get it ... these are Rudy Croes people and ... they are accountable to him.

In other words ... I contend it is possible that during Joran's detention in Nov/Dec 2007 ... Patrick and Peter were betrayed and ... a collaborated plan that would make "ONLY" Joran the sacrificial lamb was set in motion to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a conclusion.

The "confession" segment took place a short time following Joran, Deepak and Satish's release from detention ... a detention that resulted in insufficient evidence.

In my opinion!!!

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

[Helen Back]

It's quite possible that Peter and Patrick's efforts were circumvented by the OM.  We knew of a story at the time they dragged Joran in from Holland and detained him last year, that there had been an infiltrator....someone who befriended Joran and got some info.  We never heard any more about that.

Next thing we know, Peter R. DeVries and Patrick have infiltrated Joran and aired the videos.  No chance there are two infiltrators, so Peter and Patrick's plan was leaked out.  Surely Joran was coached while he was detained and went back to Holland to participate in the film.

There's one thing that REALLY bothers me.........

When the P&W show called Joran and he talked with them "live" on his show, he was falling apart at the seams!  Absolutely coming UNGLUED!  That was not fake, that sound in his voice was as pitiful as a cornered animal.

The question is, if Joran knew about Peter and Patrick's video, and played along giving them the "limited version of events", why was he crying like a scared little girl on the P&W show?  If he knew that Peter DeVries would air the secret video, what had him so upset?

Something about all that doesn't quite add up.

[Tamikosmom]

Helen ... I suspect that the detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish in Nov/Dec 2007 was all a sham.  It was an opportunity to take advantage of the OM's knowledge that Joran was being secretly recorded by Patrick ...

Janet

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No quote.

 

[Helen Back]

Investigate Paulus. Investigate Paulus.  Investigate Paulus.

I can't wait.

That's it. Look deep into his financial records, find out where his income is derived. He couldn't be floating his son's drug-gambling-drinking-traveling habits, paying one of the highest lawyer's fees in the US plus countless others, and flying his family all over kingdom come on the money he makes. They need to find out who Pustus is beholden to, and who is beholden to Pustus.

Hey Dayhiker.  Maybe Peter DeVries can find out what we have been unable to uncover. 

With regard to the OM in Aruba, and their stance of convenience on whether wiretapping is legal, I can't believe the people of Aruba buy this BS from their prosecutors.  For goodness sake, it's all over the newspapers the ridiculous statements by their justice officials, and nobody ever calls BS!

I think the OM made a lame statement about how they could use wiretaps in the Luis Mansur drug ring investigation because they were "running out of options". 

I guess the OM, after three years of nothing, doesn't feel they are running out of options in the Natalee Holloway case.

Must be the work of Super Dirty Hand.

 

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[Helen Back]

Helen ... I suspect that the detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish in Nov/Dec 2007 was all a sham.  It was an opportunity to take advantage of the OM's knowledge that Joran was being secretly recorded by Patrick ...

Janet

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I agree it was a sham, Janet.  But why do you suppose Joran was crying like a baby in his phone interview on the P&W show?

[klaasend]

Does anyone remember Melody's early posts where she was defending Urine?  Did she say something about him becoming upset about what was happening to Natalee and he  supposedly left?   

has melody finally changed her tune? or has the version of why joran is so maligned changed?   

We have a thread with Melody's posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=163.0

[Tamikosmom]

Helen ... I suspect that the detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish in Nov/Dec 2007 was all a sham.  It was an opportunity to take advantage of the OM's knowledge that Joran was being secretly recorded by Patrick ...

Janet

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I agree it was a sham, Janet.  But why do you suppose Joran was crying like a baby in his phone interview on the P&W show?

However ... when I consider Peter and Patricks' words ... in interviews and on their respective websites ... upholding the Aruban investigation and the distancing of the other suspects in spite of all the proven lies on that video tape makes this wannabe detective veeeery suspicious.

Peter Devries is not clueless in regards to the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation ... he knows.

Janet

[Lala'sMom]

I see we are having the Patrick discussion once more.  I too, think Joran was given info as to what to say to Patrick at his last arrest.  OM knew then that Patrick was planning such a venture.  You will be hard pressed to find anyone that isn't corrupt that is involved in this mess.  Everyone has an agenda and they all know the gain is political power and money.  Would you risk it?  No.

Now, having said that, we also need to remember that Caps has claimed all along that Patrick was not as truthful as he wanted us to believe.  Yes, I for one, kept asking for clarity and even laughed at that thought. Some think Caps knows what he's talking about, some don't.  Well it's up to everyone to make up their own mind.  I feel sure that what he based his info on was what someone close to the situation was telling him.  Could there be any truth in that?  Who knows, but I believe in keeping my options open at all times. One thing I can say is what Patrick got out of Joran was as benign as could be...nothing that incriminated him and no real Daury to be found.  Joran knew the seizure story would be just enough to make the OM back off and guess what?  They did.

[Helen Back]

Helen ... I suspect that the detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish in Nov/Dec 2007 was all a sham.  It was an opportunity to take advantage of the OM's knowledge that Joran was being secretly recorded by Patrick ...

Janet

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No quote.

 

 

I agree it was a sham, Janet.  But why do you suppose Joran was crying like a baby in his phone interview on the P&W show?

However ... when I consider Peter and Patricks' words ... in interviews and on their respective websites ... upholding the Aruban investigation and the distancing of the other suspects in spite of all the proven lies on that video tape makes this wannabe detective veeeery suspicious.

Peter Devries is not clueless in regards to the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation ... he knows.

Janet

Yes, he knows.  Maybe that's why he's now going after Paulus.

The investigation up until now has been from the bottom up, IMO.  That is, examining J2k and the rest of the LIL THUG gang.

I think a better strategy for investigation goes from the top down, meaning Paulus, Janssen, Jacobs, Van Der Straaten, Rudy Croes and all the DIRTY HANDS.  Then the LIL THUGS and their part will shake out.

You can pick through the trash, piece by piece, or you can just dump out the whole bag!

 

[Observer]

Paulus needs to be hauled in and a cavity search done on him and everyone associated with him and everything they have done the last 3 years

[SS]

Does anyone remember Melody's early posts where she was defending Urine?  Did she say something about him becoming upset about what was happening to Natalee and he  supposedly left?   

has melody finally changed her tune? or has the version of why joran is so maligned changed?   

We have a thread with Melody's posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=163.0

Thanks, Klaas

So, according to Melody, Urine got upset at what was happening and left.  This tells me that the event wasn't at the Ditch house....Matty Apts.?...or Urine couldn't have left.  However, I don't think for a moment that Urine left.  Melody knows what happened and she knows who spent the night and who was involved.



Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up? Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM