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From the previous thread - tourist rape victim:






Posted by Destiny in the previous thread:

KLAAS...just got off the phone...you are not gonna believe this!!!  Please promise me that you will take this over to the new thread, when you lock this one K?

Straight from the mouth of the ALE...The rape victim is a US/American tourist...early 30's...staying at Holiday Inn...went to Moombas Bar...there ALE said she got very drunk...then left with THREE guys and went to the beach with them at night...TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM...sheesh...

This part reels my mind!!!...ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of the guys...sworn statements from the guys are all the same to this account...the American tourist woman only got mad when the 3 guys started taking pictures of her...so she has filed a false report to get the 3 guys in trouble...I DON'T FU*KIN' BELIEVE IT!!!

Also...they are trying to talk her out of filing charges against the 3 guys...but, she wants to pursue the charges...but...ALE told me that she got herself into this situation by getting drunk at Moombas...and leaving with 3 guys she didn't know...and ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of them...

Klaas...I will send to your banana basket the name and number of the ALE dude who told me all of this...

Destiny

Robs maps from the previous thread:

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Still on the other thread and not caught up as usual, I just wanted to say . . .

There has been much speculation regarding Joran's 'missing package,' when it can be so easily explained.

It got caught in a 'MONKEY GRINDER'!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-suing-dr-phil-for-defamation-doesnt-one-have-to-first-have-character/

Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Phil_Kalpoe_080206_small.jpg)

here is an image from last year when Moombas had a fire.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/moombaburnsdown2-1.jpg)

Destiny - yes, got your email and replied!

I thought I read one of the PV'S that said Joran was wearing shorts and a white shirt that night after the casino. I cannot find it so I may be mistaken. Did he even change clothes that night?
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Short clip of Joran walking into the casino 2:13 mark
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YA3NKpGHnqc

Joran walking into Excelsior 19:51
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May 31st PV (JVS)
I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt.
June 9th 2005 PV(JVS)
To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.
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S.S Kalpoe 6-11-05 PV
We then said to Joran that he should get changed so that we could go out. Joran then went to get changed in order to go out with us. I cannot remember what kind of clothes Joran had put on that day. Usually Joran wears shorts. Joran had to go to school the next day.
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D.K 6-11-05 PV

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sport shoes that night. If you search his home then you will find that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he left them on the beach.

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I am sending emails of concern to the newspapers, Holiday Inn, and ATAHA.  I want them to know that Americans are watching.  Does anyone have any other email addresses?

The email address for Aruba Travel (ATA) Public Relations is
ata.pr@aruba.com

Amigoe:
webmaster@amigoe.com

Aruba Today
news@arubatoday.com

Diario Aruba:
diario@setarnet.aw

Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
ARUBA-BEACH RESORT & CASINO
J. E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD #230
ARUBA, ARUBA
Hotel Front Desk: 297-58-63600 | Hotel Fax: 297-58-65165

Not that I'm aware. They put the porn tape in the DVD player at that point, near La Cabana.

Rob...I posted this at the very end of the previous thread...do you know if there was/is connection to the Eagle Beach area regarding the NH case?  TIA

Des...

DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Description from tourists that stayed across the street from Eagle Beach:

The MVC is within walking distance to many things. The first night we walked down the road next to the hotel which led us to a Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and a couple convenience stores. In the same direction there is a casino and Adventure Golf (which is a rip off at $7 per game, but we played anyway). Some may not like walking to these places because you have to cross a highway, but it was fine by us. We also walked to Palm Beach. To get to the beginning of Palm Beach is probably a 20 minute walk. We walked all the way to the other end of Palm Beach - of course we enjoy walking, so some people may not want to walk. There is always the bus which picks you up and drops you off right in front of the hotel - quite a deal!

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147248-d483311-r5288920-MVC_Eagle_Beach-Oranjestad_Aruba.html

Locals...

I wonder of teeny weenie...came home for Father's Day...do they celebrate that in Aruba?

Also...I think in the photo that Rob posted on the crime...the rape victem...is the younger slim girl in the white pants....the older woman looks like she is holding a clipboard of some type...maybe a female ALE?

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.

Destiny
Thanks for tracking that down for us...you are the Ringy Dingy Queen!

I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....

Only KLAAS knows my secrets...heh heh heh.... ::MonkeyCool::

but YW Lala's...you do the same in your work Sweetie ;-)

He looks like he just noticed Urine's family jewels.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

UPDATE!!

MISSING PERSONS FORUM - MATTHEW WILSON: MISSING RICE UNIVERSITY STUDENT

My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.

Destiny - Thanks for the info from the police.  Here's the Holiday Inn number.  I just sent them an email with my concerns that another one of their guests has been gang raped.  The email connection is directly from their website.

Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
ARUBA-BEACH RESORT & CASINO
J. E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD #230
ARUBA, ARUBA
Hotel Front Desk: 297-58-63600 | Hotel Fax: 297-58-65165

Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny

NBC in New York has been notified.

so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT*
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After the fact? Was she suppose to report a rape before it happened? Why is it in Aruba when someone is gangraped by multiple people it is always consensual? Was it consensual when the 16 yr old girl was gangraped and filmed by her classmates and forced to move off of Aruba? Is it consensual when a woman is drugged and raped in Aruba? Does she lose all rights because it happened in Aruba,its bad for there tourism and she agreed to vacation there?

You would be hard pressed to find a more wholesome 18 year old then Natalee and thats why they abandoned the BS that she had sex with all 3 of them before dissapearing. They even had to abandon the BS that she was drunk,unconscious and doing drugs because that would be a crime as well.

There must be 100's of video's and photo's in Aruba of sexual conquests by the locals. Druggings,gang rapes and even consensual sex,for them to remember there conquests of the Tourists. I'M sure Mr.Pink and certain pimps had quite the library going in the short time they were doing this.

JAMIE SKEETERS' RECORDING

Deepak Kalpoe:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too,” he said. “Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes."

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg6script.htm

I wonder if they checked her for signs of date-rape drugs?  Perhaps ALE retained the picture/videos for evidence that she was unable to give consent?

Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...

How about some suggestions?

When a customer is "acting all crazy" maybe someone should call the ALE, Visibility Team, Tourist Police, or 911 for help?  Don't let them leave with strangers.

Anyone check for date rape drugs?

Maybe guys (and girls) should be taught avoid people who are "acting all crazy"?

Maybe you shouldn't take pictures?

jmho

Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006

TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/

The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.

 

When my daughter went to a friend's Mexican condo, their group met some locals.  They invited the locals to go with them to one of the resort's bars. The locals said, "we aren't allowed in there". Luckily, my daughter's group did not accompany the locals to their spot.  But if I was Aruba, I would crack down on the locals.  Everybody knows the game.  Time for game "over".   ::MonkeyNoNo::

BBL Monkeys...errands to run...

I thought this was interesting,brought over from the last thread....post made by Janet.
Same name as the new AG in aruba?

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/

Destiny

"Brenda" has probably been told to watch her tongue by the "Powers that be" in Aruba after being instrumental in revealing to Beth and Jug shortly after they arrived on the Island that Joran van der Sloot was not a "tourist from Holland" and ... underage Joran gambled at the Excelsior and ... Joran "preyed" on female tourists.

Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 39

Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."   I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

If anyone has access to CAPS, would you please contact him and alert him that an American rape victim needs help from whomever is there from the States?  Thanks.

Thanks Karma - they will be telling us it's another one of those common names in Aruba like Croes, Tromp, etc.

Frankly, I am surprised Brenda still has a tongue after all this time...but I digress...sorry.

Done. ::MonkeyWink::

WOW Janet...so the woman who called herself Brenda *is* a manager at the HI...THANKS!!!

Destiny

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Great catch!!!

IIRC ... Noraina Pietersz was the Security Guard's attorney.

As Beth says everybody is related on the Island of Aruba.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby
April 6, 2006

TWITTY:  ... So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/

I also wonder why the 2 front desk ladies...who started feaking out in Pap...passed me off to Brenda??? I didn't ask to be connected with anyone else...

Destiny

You're welcome Klaas
Ppppsshhht!
They should just name them all like 6 different names total,so confusing.
:)

HAHA!Guess Brenda is going back on nights. ::MonkeyLaugh::

Because Brenda understands and speaks English better?

Is this assault story a big news item in Aruba?  Were stories like this previously published in the media?

IF the two "Brendas" are the same person.  How many "Brendas" do you know?  I only know one?  I would say that chances are good it is the same Brenda.

Janet

Yeah,the new AG is probably her brother or uncle. ::MonkeyConfused::

Perhaps they were soiling their underware because the Americans had found out about the rape so quickly.

Was it the "last night" on the island for the victim -- or did the locals screw up the M.O.??????

Not big news yet.  It was reported in awe24 which seems to be the fastest right now at reporting police action in Aruba.  It's even faster than 24ora. 

Nope...first Lady I spoke with spoke...perfect english...it's when I asked about the assault on a HI customer in the last 2 days...she stopped talking to me...started talking to someone else very rapidly in pap...then phone went dead...no ring...then Brenda picked up talking in english...she said she knew i was calling from the US....I then told her about my group of my girlfriends worried about our safety at HI....but hey Klaas....Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...

They are swamped  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)

LOL Klaas!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh but that's a topless beach and the tourists know where the cameras are. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

Right!   

a drunk / intoxicated person can not give their consent on Aruba - so, we have possibly three more rapists running around..

Arapist Island

so, regardless of this woman wanting it there was a crime committed here using the words of the ALE guy himself.

Dayhiker...

POV - "free rape" should be "free sex"

Is there a warning for the locals too?

OK...someone give me the number of the hospital on Aruba....TIA...will run errands a little later...

Destiny

Klaas ...  HELP!!!

 I lost my "barf" icon.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Maybe they should just "cut to the chase" and hand out these

(http://www.fabcousa.net/catalog/clipart/markit1.jpg)

The two tourists are crowding the Radisson, for dinner:

http://www.radisson.com/arubawebcam

Janet
:smt078

This one?  It's still there for me?  Sometimes I have connection problems, where the connection might be weak and all of the icons don't show up.  You could try rebooting and see if that helps. 

Can you believe they would say this Dayhiker?  Intimidating her into not bringing charges by launching the story that she wanted to have sex with three strangers on the beach?
No one wants that.  Someone please bring forward any woman who wants that, because I would like to hear a woman say that. 

That is strictly a male fantasy straight from a porn movie.

Total BS rapist cover story.

 ::MonkeyCool::

For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

Thanks for correcting me on that WhiskeyGirl.  ::MonkeyWink::I shoulda known better.The word "rape" is not in the Aruba dictionary.

we need to know the names of these animals that seem to think all consensual sex involves multiple males and one drunk female.

We need to know these names as soon as possible. And it won't take us long to connect these new alleged criminals to ones we have already been tracking... we all know that they all know each other...this will be simple because we have a three year head start.

we may not find out the woman's name, but we need the names of these guys and where the live.

I bet we will find some more amazing stuff.

and Klaas, regarding your comment on the other thread - I think this is huge. It's a pattern that makes most of us want to vomit and never ever take anyone we love to that death trap again.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel.

Centro Medico: Dr. Rudy Engelbrecht
Pastoor Hendrikstraat 10, San Nicolaas, Aruba
Tel: (297) 584-8833
Medical center equipped with a reputable medical staff and modern medical equipment. Consulting hours are Monday to Friday 8am to 12pm and 3pm to 5pm. Emergency assistance is available 24 hours, seven days a week.   
 

Labco Medical and Homecare Service N.V.
Fergusonstraat 52, P.O. Box 1147, Aruba
Tel: (297) 582-6651 (297) 583-7156 Fax: (297) 582-6567
E-mail: labcolabcomed@hotmail.com
Website: www.labcomedical.com
24-Hour service is available. Free delivery. The company is affiliated with the American Home Healthcare Association as well as the National Oxygen Travel Services of America. They have a close contact with the Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital. Besides leasing or selling medical products, visitors have the possibility of renting products such as walkers, wheelchairs, hospital beds, crutches, commodes, side walkers and a complete system of oxygen therapy with cylinder or concentrators, as well as nebulizers. The Labco Medical and Homecare Service helps the physically disabled feel that they have a home away from home when it concerns their care and special needs.

Posada Clinic Aruba (Center for Hemodialysis)
L.G. Smith Blvd. #14
Oranjestad, Aruba
Tel: (297) 582-0840 Fax: (297) 583-5664
E-mail: posadaaruba@setarnet.aw
“Center for Hemodialysis”
Offers: - 10 Fresenius machines
- standard, single or high flux dialysis
- no-reuse
- each station with its own TV/VCR
- professional, friendly and multilingual staff
- free drinks and snacks.

Reservations are required three months in advance. A written confirmation will follow upon receipt of all required documents and approval of same by the medical staff. Information packet is available upon request.

Lite Life Medicab
Hooiberg kavel E 2
Santa Cruz, Aruba
Tel: (297) 585-9764
Transfer dialyse patients to the hospital and to other private clinics for their treatment. They also provide transfer for disabled people with wheelchairs.
Operate:7:00am-7:00pm from Monday to Saturday
For emergency cases: after 7:00pm and on Sunday

Pro Air Ambulance Services
For Air Ambulance service contact Mr. Richard Rupert. Tel: (297) 582-9197 Fax: (297) 583-2791
Cellular Tel: (297) 592-9050; (297) 993-3226 Home: (297) 584-7671
E-mail address: proair91@hotmail.com
 

Thanks Klaas.

No ... I cannot see that icon but ... youngest son is working on my computer while hubby and I are on a "date" tonight.  He is backing up my files ... upgrading security ... deleting cookies.  I do not have clue what "cookies" is but son claims it is a cause of a lot of my complaints.

Destiny and SS ... thank you for your efforts.

Have a nice evening Monkeys.

Janet
2:30 PM

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!

ROB...does it say in the article...which hospital she was taken to?   TIA....and Big Thanks for #s SS..Des

Aaaahhhh...one in lockstep with AHATA....my guess....need those tourist dollars to meet those paychecks....

Klass is this posted on front page?  Can we post it there? just sent info out to kimberly guilfoil, greta and geraldo .Was that ok? Sorry if I shoulndt have but if we want to get this in the media these are some guys that will look into it. They promised annonimity.  sl

The Oduber Hospital is located in this block somewhere. I'm having trouble finding the exact building due to it's odd 1970's looking shape. I'll find it eventually

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/EAGLEBEACH6.jpg)

Hi Sandy - not posted on the front page of SM yet.  I think Red is waiting to get more info from his contacts in Aruba.  Great idea sending to Greta, Kimberly and Geraldo!

I have the number *thanks SS* to that hosp...will call that one now...

Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Nice work Destiny...interesting, but not surprising. Echos of an all too familiar story, indeed. Pathetic.

AND.........LMFAO @ large letters above, lmaooooooo!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

I wish we were all mature enough for our very own 'edit' button  ::MonkeyCool::

This is the hospital - and it's hard to find on Google Earth

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL3.jpg)

I tried Beach Patrol...they won't tell me squat...gave me another number and name to call on Monday Morning....

NEXT:...gimme # of Moombas Club....will call them now...
Destiny

Hiya Monkeys

I am sick about the American tourist. SSDD as everyone was fed about Natalee.
I can tell you why they try to talk them out of prosecuting/reporting..
It goes against their crime stats & is more proof that damned rock needs to be sunk.

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.

Do you think I should not make anymore calls?

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(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL7.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL9.jpg)

I'm 90% sure I have the right building - and you can see it looks nothing like the photograph when compared to the Google Earth image.

This building is hard to miss when drive up LG Smith Blvd. It sits back off the highway and is quite tall compared to the other buildings around it. So it stands out.

JMO -- we need to call someone on the island who we TRUST ( ::MonkeyConfused::) who can immediately assist/protect this woman!!!!!

I we can get her name...we can call the FBI...

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/ArubaSucks.jpg)

The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

 This is total BS, they have no respect for woman and  to post her picture in the paper is BS.
I'm just glad she is alive.

Rather than have the victim's name, I would prefer to have the perps names. I am sure she needs time to deal with what has happened & get her backbone built up to be able to withstand the garbage Aruba will throw at her. I hope she knows about Natalee & contacts Beth for support. If she happens to read here, I hope she knows the monkeys will stand with her too.

San   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny - it's a waste of time to call Moomba's.  I don't think the hospital or ALE should be giving you the tourists name (not saying they won't screw up and give it to you though)  Patient privacy and all.

There is no one on that island that will protect this woman.  If someone comes forward it is for a reason and the reason is to get info for Aruba.  JMO.

This woman needs to come back to the states and go all over the TV and tell what happened.

This reminds me of the mother that was photo'd as she went looking for her daughter...media show.

Maybe the three males didn't have permission to photograph her?  How long is "after the fact"? 

Helen ... you are so right.  Aruba is going into damage control at this moment and ... Rudy Croes is in full command.

I pray that the victim's Mother will take the reins and ... something akin to Beth Holloway ... will refuse to be intimidated by the "powers that be" in Aruba and ... will "publicly" demand justice for her daughter.

Sandy ... contacting Kimberly, Greta and Geraldo ...

Your actions may be the catalyst which will prevent the crime against this girl from becoming a coverup.  Your actions may be the catalyst that will provide the support which will give the victim the required strength to follow through and ... not retreat.

Thank you Sandy.

Janet

On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...

Ya think Renfro has volunteered her help yet??? ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

good point

probably offering a few weeks free vacation back to Arapist Island for next year. That's how stooopid they think we are. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hello Monkeys!!
No time to catch up...just taking a quick break at work...Snoopy's beautiful daughter and son-in-law are house hunting!!! We found a terrific one!!! Heading back down to show the in-laws!! Say a prayer for them!! It is a terrific house!!!

o/t real quick.

Thank you thank you Monkeys for your generous donations to the Race for the Cure!!!

Posted an update in the thread Klaas started for me. You all are simply the best!!!

I can hear it now-

that's not how the mother of a raped girl should act

GAK!

I hope that this woman has the stregnth to do what she must all the time knowing that this is something very difficult to do. I am sure she does not want her situation to be repeated, and I am glad she went to the hospital.I wish that there is some sort of rape counseling she could get.     Damm Aruba

The very fact the lady made a police report & went to the hospital leads me to believe nothing was consentual. I agree with Sandy, DAMN that island full of criminals, rapists & murderers.

Hey Destiny,

I think you have done a great job and have kept this news story from being swept under the rug and completely covered up. 

I think the victim of rape deserves the opportunity to deal with it as best they can and in their own time, but at least she is alive and went to the hospital.   I hope they did a tox screen and don't lose the results.  I am much more interested in getting the names of the suspects than the victim.  While her picture has been splashed about the news in Aruba, I'm sure we'll get the initials of the suspects, a bunch of scrambled up names that are all spelled wrong, and no pictures of them. 

I'm just feeling for the victim, that's all.  If she's really strong, maybe she'll be willing to talk to the media.

Dennis Jacobs will tell them all in a room OK boys this is what we did for Joran and the Kalpoes.  Do as we say and nothing will happen.  Make sure you get your stories straight.

If they say she was that drunk she was in no condition to agree to anything.

This article should be sent to the NYDaily news.

Yep San, and nothing will happen. In the U.S. this girl would have been taken seriously. Not on Aruba. Watch this play out, Aruba government and their Dutch judges will find a way not to convict anybody. That's their MO.

Destiny - You have done absolutely the correct things by making the contacts that you made.  We don't know who the other woman was in the picture.  Most likely, she's a female ALE officer.  This American woman might be on that island by herself.  She has obviously made the choice to be public about what happened, because she filed charges against the three men.  This is a very courageous woman and I think that she needs our help.  She needs a very strong support system.  Right now, we need to let ALE, AHATA, the press, the hotels, and the people of Aruba know that American citizens are watching from the get go.  They need to know that we aren't going to be suckered into the same game that Aruba played before.  They are no doubt bullying this newest victim, humiliating her, and pushing her to drop charges.  She needs to know that there is a force behind her that ALE and AHATA have already learned that they don't want to confront.  We need to find someone on Aruba who can find this woman and give direct help.  Does anyone know anyone who would help?

I'm sure the international friends of Aruba have their moles in place.

This girl needs to not drop these charges and come home and get a lawyer.  There aren't any lawyers in Aruba who can help her.  They are all on one side and that is Aruba.  Whether you are the attorney for the victim or the perps they are all the the same side and will make sure the Arubans get off.

The only time it worked was when they wrongly accused the security guards and that is because they lived in Aruba and the world was watching.

Here was Aruba's ONLY golden opportunity to do things "right". They could have mobilized their crack ALE staff to show the world they take tourists safety seriously. They could try to show the world that the Natalee Holloway situation was a "fluke", once in a lifetime aborration. They could have shown they have a heart. They could have gotten it right this time. They could have.........................................







(they didn't/won't)

I think this is the Oduber Hospital. I remember it being near the tip of the island where the hotels stop and Aruba becomes industrial.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/GOOGLE%20EARTH/OduberHospital.jpg)

Thanks Sunfreak!

The newspaper article really bothers me.  Three Aruban men just happened to pick up a strange American woman in a popular bar, and this woman just happened to sexually desire all three of them, and the three men just happened to have photographic equipment with them on the beach.  I don't think so, not even for a second do I buy into this scenario.  This is drug, rape, and tape.  It's the popular Aruban male game.  Aruba hasn't learned a damn thing from Natalee's tragedy.

The people who are promoting tourism on Aruba need to stand back a minute and see how their response looks to others. First, they say "Come to our happy island. Eat, drink (lots and lots), and be merry." Then, when one of the tourists is attacked, they say "It's her own fault. She drank too much."

Hmmmm.....

I will give this a little bump for those just peeking in...

I wonder if she was be tested for STDs?  Did she just wake up on the beach?  I have to wonder at the 'rest of the story'.

It looks like it is daylight in those pictures, and I have to wonder at the timimg.

You are so right about this, SS.  And the fact that this woman went to the police and the hospital demonstrates that she is serious. 

I'm glad that because of Destiny's calls, they know we are aware and watching.

Wreck, you are right about the ALE.  The last three years have taught them NOTHING.

Lala's has notified CAPS, so let's hope there is some help on the island.

They kidnapped her.

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw

The dark haired woman looks like she is holding her hip in all of the pictures.  I wonder if the three men hurt her.

What is the news source for this article/picture?

Was this woman alone?  With a group?  Maybe she missed her flight home?

Any other media pick up the story?

Next thing we will here is that they said the girl said they are slaves where she comes from and her mother was hitler's sister.

This story certainly won't be "good tourism propaganda" for the Caribbean trade show in DC.

Where's J4N?

Yes, that's the first thing I thought of.  I'm sure we will be told that it's a common name  ::MonkeyWink:: 

Too late all...already called Moombas...got a first name from Bar Manager...got his name too...he said she had been there every evening until 3 nights ago...he did confirm that she left with 3 local guys...he said he didn't know their names...he did ask me if I was her Mother...strange huh....I told him no...just a friend..that she had left me a VM to call her...he did confirm that the ALE did come in with questions about the incident...and that she was staying at the Holiday Inn...I'll email the first name to Klaas...Bar Manager also confirmed her age as very early 30's...my bad...

Han's first question.  Were any of them Dutch   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  So true.

The source is awe24.  They seem to publish more of the police activity and car accidents, sooner than the other online resources.  The other sites haven't picked up on the story yet and I don't know if they will.  If they do it probably won't be until tomorrow or Monday.

Scroll down for the story:

http://www.awe24.com/

"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn

Destiny - check your email regarding Moomba's. 

Not bad, Destiny.  The story's already out.  It's only a matter of time once a report is made. 

Maybe we will learn more about what actually happened, and how the ALE is handling it.

For starters, did they manage to confiscate the camera(s)?

KLAAS 2 IN BANANA BASKET...URGENT...

No that is the way it would be anywhere. No information can be given. It sounds as though things are as strict in the ER there as here. We are not even allowed to tell a caller if a particular patient is in the ER.

Yes, I've read something like that before.  hmm...  have to ensure they do not violate suspect rights...privacy, etc.

Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?

Arrests on suspicions?

Where has this young woman been and for how long?

Was she being held by ALE? 

Held long enough to get stories from the suspects, arrests, and THEN taken to the hospital?

Maybe 24-48 hours later?  Long enough to lose any chemical traces lingering in her blood? 

BAC anyone?

Moomba's is quite a distance from the Red Light district (San Nichols area), which is down by the refinery.   IMO, the three men knew exactly what they were doing, just as Joran and the Kalpoes did.

If you go back to page 1 of this thread and read Destiny's post -- you will know what we know. Everything else is speculation at this point.  ::MonkeyCool::

They were locals

Exactly Pita. 

I thought it looked like she was holding up her pants, you know the pants she ripped from herself when she attacked those 3 innocent local males.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: That place becomes more of a cesspool by the minute second.

Yes, maybe the bars are where the finger is pointing.  Maybe they set  up the suspect males by over serving tourist females? 

I wonder if the local bars have to get permits to serve alcohol?  I wonder if the local community can have the permit revoked?

Maybe make the district and "alcohol free zone"?  Food, soft drinks, and dancing only?

There are several things that keep rolling around my little brain after multiple calls to multiple places today on Aruba...

#1...the ALE officer was so quick to tell me how very druck she was...how she instigated the sex on the beach...and only filed rape charges against the innocent 3 local guys after they took photos of her...and she got mad....He know I was calling from the US...I always tell them right off the bat.

He was trying to illicit sympathy from me for the 3 guys.

#2 I called 3 other ALE agencies...and was told they had heard nothing about it.

#4 I called beach patrol...they knew...but seemed very anxious...and insisted I call early Monday AM to another # and name they gave to me...after jabbering all to each other in pap and raising their voices at each other...no laughing this time..like when I called them regarding the NH case a long time ago...

#4...the Call to Moombas...after telling my story...I was put on hold...then passed to the bar manager....we talked some...and at one point in our conversation he..out of the blue...asked me if I was the girls' mother...that seemed very strange to me...

just mulling the days events over...TIA for any feedback...sometimes making these calls can be a bit draining...but I still give good phone....and the best on weekend..cause you get the weekend staff...the ones who feels left out of the loop on their own turf....they like to talk more....

Destiny

FYI - for those that haven't read the update on the front page of SM, JOSSY has confirmed that a woman was raped and ALE did take her to the hospital. 

UPDATE I: Confirmation of woman’s story in Aruba

We have talked to sources in Aruba and have confirmed that a woman has reported a rape to police.

I was able to confirm the news. It happened on the Eagle beach, in the area of the low-rise hotels. The victim did go to the hospital accompanied by the police. We don’t know yet if she was attacked by one or more persons. Those are the only details available for now but we will have the rest of the story sometime tomorrow.

That young woman has a family too.  She may have a husband, boyfriend, and children. 

I wonder if her family is on the island?

I just sent an email to all my friends with the link and asked them to pass it along.

Destiny - don't you find it odd that the bar manager at Moomba's didn't know the name of the locals (the 3 guys) that she claims raped her? 

Great San!!!....don't wanna lose this one too...

More than odd Klaas...absolutly unbelievable...is what I thought...didn't believe him for one second...and why did he ask if I was her Mother...huh....made the hairs on the back of my neck bristle....yep it did...

Well, at least this time we will have EVERY word, EVERY detail, EVERY utterance, ON RECORD from Day 1.

Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!

I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

Aruba is on full alert right at this moment.  They know they have a couple of days before any of this girls family arrives on the island.  Remember Paulus' surprise when Beth got there early and his response was how did you get her so fast.  They are checking flights as we speak.

me either!

I do too-that's why I said interesting. O.K. who on this board posted this? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Wasn't me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

These guys took pictures of this recent rape.  I will say they used their cell phones to take them.

Enter Charles Croes once again.

It might be a GREAT story for Geta Monday night -- report this new CRIME in Aruba while also getting to publicize "TW's" new pics!!!!

By now these pictures are all over that island.

I do. ScubaJap said he was a lawyer in Aruba. Same last name as a lawyer for one of he guards.Why / how can I 'meber  that ? When I can't remeber other stuff, like where is the bank card ? Or my damn keys some days ?

I think by tomorrow we'll have more information from Jossy on this current rape.  We need to make sure this one doesn't get swept under the rug.

already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.

Thanks Caesu

That was the guy with the dreadlocks...I think.

you took the words right off my fingertips.  that sure doesn't sound like the ru charlierat.
dennisintn

I call BS coming out of Aruba.

1.  This is the first day of the crime, ALE is not even finished their Frosted Flakes yet.

2.  ALE has 2 speeds--slow and stop--or make that stop and backwards.  With this history, we know this story of "blame the victim" is made up, they haven't had time to do any kind of real investigation yet.

3.  By spreading BS so soon in the investigation is telling the world they are lying.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt038

Yes, it looks like everyone is "common" on Aruba.

Has anyone contacted Beth to see if she could get in contact with this family?

I am afraid something more is going to happen to her while she is there.  She has been through enough already.

This happened to that young girl at school, too.  She was chased off the island.  I hope these girls and women get together and file a class action suit.  They can own the island and lock all the rats up. 

Or they can buy it on ebay next week for $1.98.

Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

Best yet          j/b

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  Unless ...

Hey ... miracles do happen.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough

"I've been porned" doesn't have a nice sound to it.

I wonder if Aruba has an official protocol for dealing with assault cases?  I wonder if the business associations have educated their members about how to deal with crime that may have a negative reflection on their business or on tourism?

What do they see when they look into the mirror each morning?

They will not retrieve these pictures.  This is when calls are made to Charles Croes to get him involved.  He will not come forward with these pictures.

Even if you get blood/urine tests they will be falsified by Aruba.  Aruba has their game down to a science (i.e. Blood turns into chocolate).  We will never get the right results and Aruba will make sure of it.

"Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba."

Who is the other tourist that reported being drugged and ganged raped in Aruba?

Natalee isn't here to tell us what happened to her...so who (and how many) have reported this before?

A plethora of news articles about Aruba today ~





http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/spectrum/Travel-Jeep-thrills.4184802.jp (http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/spectrum/Travel-Jeep-thrills.4184802.jp)

Sounds like a nice place to go. 

I read some where last night that he will be AG on aruba for 6 months and he starts work June 23rd IIRC.

Good question WhiskeyGirl

I awoke this morning so concerned about Aruba's latest victim.  I keep wondering if there was anything else that we could have done to help her or support her.  It has been so disturbing to me that we weren't able to come up with anyone who could be trusted to help this woman during her emergency.  This is something that we need to emphasize in our Boycott Aruba dialogues.  When a woman is on that crappy island, she is on her own, and the planes don't arrive until Thursday.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe some gave her ecstasy


Question: What are the effects of ecstasy?

Answer: Brain imaging research in humans indicates that Ecstasy causes injury to the brain, affecting neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays a direct role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. Many of the risks users face with Ecstasy use are similar to those found with the use of cocaine and amphetamines:

http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/ecstasy/f/ecstasy1.htm

There is no way someone goes on vacation in hopes of getting drunk out of their mind and wanting to go with three guys.  She was drugged and end of story for me.  And yes I believe she was slipped something in her drink.

Edited to add:   YES SHE WAS SLIPPED ECSTASY

Diario Sat...anyone...can you give the cliff notes version of what this is about...it looks ugly...from what little I can read...TIA...Des...


   
18 LUNA EXIGI, PA MUHER ACUSA DI VIOLA MUCHA MUHER DI 15 AÑA    PDF    Print    E-mail
Saturday, 14 June 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna na corte a tuma lugar un caso den cual Joanne L.T a wordo acusa di a viola un mucha muher di 15 aña sexualmente.

Fiscal a indica cu loke J. ta wordo acusa di dje ta cu riba 3 di Januari 2008 e lo a fula e mucha muher na su pecho, mey mey su pia y cu e lo a sunchi e mucha muher na su boca. Ademas di esaki, e lo a pone su dede den vagina di e mucha muher, contra su boluntad.
Huez a lesa parti di e rapport di polis cu ta bisa cu na dado momento mama di e victima a bay warda di polis pa hasi denuncia.

Esaki despues cu ruman homber y otro miembronan di famia di e mucha muher a ripara cu e tabata yora constantemente, despues cu el a yega cas marduga despues cu el a bay sali cu J.

Na prome instancia e mucha muher no kier a bisa loke a pasa, pero despues el a bisa su famia cu J. na dado momento a pushe contra muraya, pasa man na su pechonan, dune sunchi na su boca, baha su Carson y pone su dede den su vagina. Na polis e victima a declara cu el a bay sali anochi cu J. y ora cu nan tabata bayendo bek cas, diripiente e muher a cuminza pasa man.

Na diferente momento el a bisa e muher pa e stop, pero el a sigui toch. Despues di un rato por fin el a stop y el a hiba e mucha muher cas. Ora e victima a yega cas, e tabata sinti dolor na su parti intimo y el a ripara cu tabata tin sanger tambe. Despues cu el a conta su mama, nan a confronta e muher, pero el a nenga cu el a hasi algo.

Nan a bay dokter y dokter a constata cu e victima tabata tin herida chikito na su parti intimo. Na polis J. a declara cu nada no a pasa, pero despues el a declara diferente.

Segun J. tabata e victima mes a acerke cu interes sexual.El a bisa cu el a sunchi a mucha muher y pasa man na su pecho, pero cu ningun momento el a hinca dede den vagina di e mucha muher.

Huez a puntre dicon el a gaña na prome instante y el a bisa cu quizas door cu e tabata nervioso y nunca antes el a yega di haya su mes den problema cu husticia. Huez a bise cu ta net e ora ey bo tin cu bisa berdad.

Huez a bisa tambe cu si J. no a forza e mucha muher di hasi actonan sexual, pakico e mucha muher tabata yora asina hopi anto.
Fiscal a bisa cu ta straño cu J. a admiti na dado momento cu nan tabata tin relacion sexual cu otro e anochi ey, pero despues na corte el a bisa cu nan a djis sunchi y braza otro.

Huez a indica tambe cu si e mucha muher tabata kier mes, e ta menor di edad. Fiscal a exigi un castigo di 18 luna incondicional.
Abogado Foy representando e acusado, a bisa huez cu su cliente mester wordo declara liber di tur acusacion , pasobra fiscal a comete un error di pone cu e acto sexual a sosode rond di dia 3 di Januari, siendo cu ta dia 5 di Januari el a sosode.

Ademas di esaki el a indica cu no a wordo comproba cu J. a pone dede den vagina di e mucha y cu segun dokter ainda e mucha muher ta señorita.

E abogado a bisa tambe cu ta hopi straño cu un otro caso di un mandatario cu a wordo acusa di mescos, no a bin dilanti, mientras cu e caso aki si ta wordo tuma na serio.

Fiscal a bisa e abogado cu no ta importa cu e fecha ta incorecto, pasobra di O.M apela e caso, e ora ey por cambia e fecha ainda.
E abogado a responde cu esey no ta manera pa un Ministerio Publico of Fiscal opera. Bo no por bisa huez pa e djis no worry cu e error, pasobra den apelacion bo lo por cambia tur cos. Huez na final a bisa cu dia 27 di Juni e lo duna su veredicto.

Destiny - best I can tell it's a court case where the prosecution is asking for 18 months for what looks like to me the mother of a girl, under the age of 15, who was sexually violated (in her mothers presence or by her mother..I'm not sure which).  Looks like the judge will give his decision on June 27th.

Edited to change 18 years to 18 months  ::MonkeyWink::

oranjestad(aan): diabierna at corte did take lugar one caso in cual joanne l.t owing to wordo acusa of owing to viola one child muher of 15 year sexualmente. fiscal owing to indica cu thing j. is wordo acusa of dje is cu on 3 of january 2008 the will owing to feel the child muher at his pecho, mey mey his leg y cu the will owing to kiss the child muher at his mouth. apart from this, the will owing to place his finger in vagina of the child muher, contra his boluntad. huez owing to read part of the rapport of police cu is tell cu at dado instant mother of the victima owing to bay keep of police for make denuncia. this after cu brother man y another miembronan of family of the child muher owing to ripara cu the was cry constantemente, after cu past owing to arrive cas marduga after cu past owing to bay leave cu j. at first instancia the child muher does not owing to tell thing owing to happen, but after past owing to tell his family cu j. at dado instant owing to pushe contra wall, happen hand at his pechonan, dune kiss at his mouth, descend his carson y place his finger in his vagina. at police the victima owing to declara cu past owing to bay leave night cu j. y hour cu they was bayendo bek cas, diripiente the muher owing to cuminza happen hand. at various instant past owing to tell the muher for her stop, but past owing to follow yet. after of one rato can end past owing to stop y past owing to take away the child muher cas. hour the victima owing to arrive cas, the was feel dolor at his part intimo y past owing to ripara cu was have blood also. after cu past owing to count ; his mother, they owing to confronta the muher, but past owing to deny cu past owing to make algo. they owing to bay doctor y doctor owing to constata cu the victima was have injury diminutive at his part intimo. at police j. owing to declara cu nothing not owing to happen, but after past owing to declara various. according j. was the victima self owing to acerke cu interest sexual.el owing to tell cu past owing to kiss owing to child muher y happen hand at his pecho, but cu none instant past owing to hinca finger in vagina of the child muher. huez owing to puntre dicon past owing to lie at first instant y past owing to tell cu quizas door cu the was agitated y never formerly past owing to arrive of achieve his self in problem cu husticia. huez owing to bise cu is just the hour ey do you have cu tell berdad. huez owing to tell also cu if j. not owing to forza the child muher of make actonan sexual, pakico the child muher was cry so much then. fiscal owing to tell cu is odd cu j. owing to admiti at dado instant cu they was have relacion sexual cu another the night ey, but after at corte past owing to tell cu they owing to immidiately kiss y braza another. huez owing to indica also cu if the child muher was wanted self, the is younger of edad. fiscal owing to exigi one castigo of 18 month incondicional. advocate foy representando the acusado, owing to tell huez cu his cliente have to wordo declara pound of all acusacion come across, because fiscal owing to comete one error of place cu the acto sexual owing to sosode rond of day 3 of january, siendo cu is day 5 of january past owing to sosode. apart from this past owing to indica cu not owing to wordo comproba cu j. owing to place finger in vagina of the child y cu according doctor still the child muher is miss. the advocate owing to tell also cu is much odd cu one another caso of one mandatario cu owing to wordo acusa of same, not owing to come fast, while cu the caso here if is wordo take at earnest. fiscal owing to tell the advocate cu do not importa cu the date is incorecto, because of or.m apela the caso, the hour ey can change the date still. the advocate owing to responde cu esey do not as for one ministerio publico or fiscal opera. do you not can tell huez for her immidiately not worry cu the error, because in apelacion do you will can change all cos. huez at end owing to tell cu day 27 of june the will give his veredicto.


http://www.donamaro.nl/papiamentu/index.php?pAction=tradusi

What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I agree Buckeye.  Premeditated.

Thank you Buckeye, for that reminder.

Knowing what we know......I would have almost advised this woman to take her own urine sample and bring it back to the US for testing. Don't imagine it is totally legal for prosecution purposes, but better than nothing, worth a shot.

TY Klaas....ps....banana basket ;-)

AMIGOE

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snip it.


Aruba
June 14, 2008, 11:45 (GMT -04:00)

Council of State: Imago Aruba negative
ORANJESTAD / THE HAGUE - During the visit of the parliamentary delegation to the Council of State in the Netherlands, has spoken about the image of our country in the Netherlands. That is according to the Council always negative. The relationship between the two countries is the last time 'bekoeld. "

BB - How are you doing with the thought prints?  Are you confused, yet?

Buckeye - I haven't been here since the very beginning.  Did you know Natalee?

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



Whatley:
On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

Lee Broughton :
During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838

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In wich story helen ?

bb ... when you consider the above quotes you provided as well as Dave's words ... I believe that Natalee Holloway may have been inebriated.

Nevertheless ... I do believe that the last drink which Joran bought for her prior from that little bar in the back of Carlos and Charlies... was spiked with a date rape drug and ... the combination ...

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Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 26, 2006

MACCALLUM: When you listen to some of the details, you know, some pretty graphic details about what was going on in that bar — he claimed that he was doing jelly shots, which I guess you sort of drink off somebody's stomach as they lay on the bar, all sorts of things about your daughter and what was going on there. What I'm curious about is did any of those connect with what her friends told you, who were also there in the bar with her that night?

HOLLOWAY: I think they, all the kids were there for, of course, their high school graduation, and they were all having a good time. And you know, I understand that some of that is true.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time.[/color] I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.

After that Natalee, Satish and myself walked outside because Carlos & Charlies was almost empty.


Dave Holloway
CORRUPTION IN PARADISE

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In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

No. I just saw the videos and pictures from that day/night.

You are probably correct.  I only remembered the Sunday morning drinking.

San ... could you please take out all that red highlight from the last two quotes of my last post.

Thank you

Janet

In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763

thank you Klaas   >> safe there in Aruba !!!pffft  ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAS...BIG LOAD OF BANANAS...

Destiny

Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.

Yep Klaas...sent a reply to you!

I was thinking about Joran's nudie shot and how the judge threw out his DNA.  Most likely, Paulus didn't want anyone finding out about Joran's XXY syndrome and his tiny beans and franks.


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Good day Johan,

As Klaas said, we learned that an American tourist was raped by local men.  Apparently, there were three of them and they took pictures and or filmed the assault.

According the ALE, the woman was very drunk, behaving crazily, left the bar on her own free will because she wanted to have consensual sex with the three men on the beach.  She only became upset when they began to photograph the event.  She reported this to the police "after the fact", according to police.  She was taken to a hospital.

The ALE is discouraging her from filing charges.

 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Unbelievable!

Klaas, you are sooo correct. I believe that there is an Aruban male mentality where they believe that women tourists from the US actually arrive on that crappy island lusting after the male locals.  They live in a fantasy world.

I was reading something interesting today about crime in the Caribbean. Someone posted information showing that the Caribbean has the highest crime rate in the world.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world/134742-caribbean-has-highest-crime-rate-world.html

Here is a statement regarding types of crime there:

According to a new report by the World Bank and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Crime, Violence and Development : Trends, costs and Policy Options in the Caribbean, murder rates in the Caribbean are higher than in any other region of the world, and assault rates—including rape--are significantly above the world average.

(Latin America and Caribbean - Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean)

One interesting comment at the site was this one:

Hello... I don't know about violent crime BUT, theft is HUGE! We travel a lot and have been to numerous places in the carribean. EVERY time we go there they manage to creatively get away with something from us. The worst though, and the reason I'm writing is to get it out there how dastardly they are.
Our last trip to Curacao and Aruba cost us more than we spent ourselves.
The resturants or merchants are now selling your credit card numbers to front companys (they are even making card copies!) and maxing out your card limit before you even get home from your trip. USAA military banking has been hit hard recently. If you go to the carribean, call your bank and let them know so, they can flag any high charges before they rack up your card. UGH... They took ours for $20,000. Most cards are insured which is why we use it traveling but ultimately we all pay for it. The Carribean is beautiful, no doubt. But, I think the next time I go back would only be to watch a hanging. Investigations are underway and I'm hopeful they find this ring.

Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

not shocked at all..

the story has to get more and more deviant each and every-time. Otherwise people will actually believe that tourists are being drugged and raped.

the ALE got their talking points out.

They probably have a more ludicrous story for the next victim already cooked up. And most likely would have used this version on the girl that was missing from the HI and returned to her mother's room.

OMG. Is there no limit that ALE will go to to protect their scum of the earth locals?  This statement tells me that the three slime balls went to the club with the intention of having sex with her.  This was, once again, premeditated.  No woman goes on vacation with her husband and then porpositions three men.  How can ALE even think that the world would believe this story?  It's interesting how each day ALE is adding a new twist to the story in an attempt to solidify that the men are the victims.  If I recall, Dutch law says that sexual contact with someone in her intoxicated condition is rape, regardless of whether anything was agreed upon in advance.  The club manager described her as behaving in a crazy way.  If they took advantage of her in that condition...it's rape.

OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!

Maybe the men were drunk and drugged up and the lady smiled at them.
..

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.

When will we find out who the three 20 year old beach bums are?

I can't wait to hear this.

San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny

Aruba has a lot of beach bums that are Joran's age  ::MonkeyRoll::

This story about the locals using the woman's camera to photograph the assault just doesn't make sense.  When something doesn't make sense, it's usually a lie.  Why would three perps photograph their activities with the victim's own camera, unless of course, they were planning to steal the camera and release the pictures?  Why would a woman go public and file charges if she hadn't been raped?  What married American woman would go after three lowlife beach bums who are ten years younger?  This entire story is bizarre.

The PIMPS....3 years ago...they would have been in their teens to around 20 yrs old...now they are in their early 20's or so...

Destiny, is there any word where her husband was during all this?  Was she at the club with him? How did you learn she was traveling with her husband?  This is way too strange.

Wreck...she has already filed charges...because of that she can't leave the island...I would suppose she could leave if she dropped the charges...hmmmmmm

That's what I was trying to say. If she goes home from her vacation -- do they go free??? Unbelievable!!

AZ...this mornings' call...was the *first* I was told of a husband...yesterda when I called Moombas and was passed over to the Bar Manager...he said that she had been in every night...until 3 days ago...which I presume is the night the assault took place...the Bar Manager never said anything about anyone else being with her...but, also remember Moombas is a resuarant too...the Bar is located in a different place than where they serve the upscale meals...she might have gone there for dinner...then moved outside to the Moombas Beach Bar... http://moombabeach.com/component/

If you go to the site...click on *location* on front page to go to a map...

This is why they claim there is no crime on that island.  They are forcing people to stay.  If they don't they drop the charges.

Destiny - in due respect, there is nothing upscale about Moomba's.  It's a bar and a restaurant on the beach in Aruba.  Nothing fancy or upscale about the restaurant or bar.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401214942046394805TETsEC

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401213811046394805SrUpwA

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2473703950062685536xKCack

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2279111790062685536InSMtS

This must be stressed to potential tourists to Aruba. We must include this fact in all of our "talking points" in our boycott efforts.

Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?

Klaas...mea culpa...going back over my hastily jotted down notes from call I made...update what I sent you this morns' *same as yesterday*  ALE Officer told me 2 of the guys were around 20-s and one was 30 yrs old...sorry...that's what happens when I get in a rush....

Destiny

This would be a great point to bring up in DC.  As them if a crime is committed against a tourist are they forced to stay there and if they don't are the charges dropped.

Klaas...is the link I posted for MoomBas...not the right Moombas? 
The photos in the link look very different....maybe a remodel job?

TIA....Des

I just wanted to wish a Happy Father's Day ...

Take a look at the FP post and watch the video ... I think Father's Day may be put into a perspective that few of us ever thought about.

Its a must see video of Rick and Dick Hoyt, A fathers love for his son for the ages ...

HAPPY FATHERS DAY 2008 … Dick and Rick Hoyt, a Father and Son’s Love for the Ages

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/15/happy-fathers-day-2008-dick-and-rick-hoyt-a-father-and-sons-love-for-the-ages/

You posted the link to the correct Moomba's.  It's just that some of the photos on the website are deceptive.  It's just a beach bar and restaurant.  It's not a fancy restaurant by any means.

Whew....TY Klaas....yeppers Aruba...deceptive in all ways....

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that NH was first raped in Moombas as the boys stopped there.  Could have been in the bathrooms or a downstars room.  We really do not know for sure how long they stayed in there when Depak stopped (and admitted) stopping at this bar.  MIP6 and that gang have been too against the H/T family not to have been involved.  It is my understanding that this bar has had some remodeling done.  Also something to do with a bar or some part of the HI where NH was staying.  This came from very old posts when the case first began.
I remember very clearly reading this.They could have then gone to the sloot residence, then possibly she was taken to a room back in the HI and later removed along with the bloody mattress if that did not come fro Pvs home.    Jackb

PS:  The bar that burned down was, according to what I read; Choose a Name bar.   Jackb

In case you missed it, this is one of the bartenders at Moomba's, Mark Purcell's (MIP6) son:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14761846

Jackb - yes Choose a Name burned but so did Moomba's

Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...

I'm sure female tourists are assaulted all the time in Aruba but most go unreported. 

The population in the county where I live is smaller but the land mass of that island is pretty much the same. The crimes of this nature is a seldom happening, a rareity here, as what is going on weekly in Aruba.  I am beginning to wonder if that island is not some kind of  experiment for the social ramifications of using Viagra.  That is some kind of creepy.  They are having trouble because they have no belief systems in place.  They have no law because they do not believe in justice or Truth.  It is like they are a stepping stone into hell.  I hope the decent people leave that island.  That is like being trapped on an island of thugs with no conscious.   Jackb

Destiny
great job girl!! now all we need to know is:
were these three guys american.. or were they the (usual pimps.).. I seriously doubt they were american.!!! it just seems to Arubanish to me.
how do we  publicize it and make  the american public aware of the dangers of traveling to aruba....
I get so upset when I read the comments made by the ale.
Comments like the girls was drunk and wanted sex with three men!!
doesnt add up and they continue to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.
the goverment of Aruba is narcisistic!! they produce that kind of population....
as evidenced by their comments and the arogance of  the officials and the criminals...
how long will americans continue to be victimized on that god forsaken island..

it is totaly sickening what  is said and done there by  aruban officials...

boycott continues.. until we see justice served...

so I ask!!
If there is just a tiny hint of alcohol breath (not drunk)  they will no doubt say that you were drunk.. no wonder there is so much crime in Aruba..
no one is held accountable or should I say no male is held accountable against any sex crime against a women..
It is always blamed on the female victim..
what a message they are sending...  tourists expect to go there to : relax , take in the sun, scenery  and have  themselves a few tropical drinks!!

how can these idiots expect to keep people coming to aruba if they continue to not recogize  crimes against tourists. 
they have no regards for american tourists...no respect whatsoever...
whats wrong with this picture!
what is wrong is that they have a different mind set...
they dont think or act normal..
this isnt the end of americans being victimized..

I surely hope someone gets in contact with the rape victim and enlighten her about natalee if she doesnt already know!!

I just dont see results coming from the ale they dont care...
they are lazy and dont ant to be bothered... there are no inter agaency reporting or alerts for reporting from one station to the other.. beth and dave went to several police stations and they found out that not everyone knew about natalee
how pitiful is that..
makes me sick!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

The 3 rapists...were indeed locals to the island...ALE told me they were *beach bums*...whatever that menas....

Geoffrey Cromvroit comes to mind.  That is what he was called.  He worked beach patrol too as his daddy owned the security outfit.  They may have been involved, some of them as they have had an example set before them and probably had enough on the others no one will arrest or prosecute.  Wonder what GC was doing that night.
He was on beach patrol last I heard.    J/b

Destiny, you have done such a fantastic job as usual!!! Keep up the great work!!

This story is unbelieveable!!! Pisses me off to no end. I commented on the front page the other day, of course these local youths are going to keep up the crimes, for crying out loud, joran killed a girl and there are pics of him partying naked on a beach!! There are just no consequences for their actions...and of course Aruba proves me right!!! Blame the victim again!!! Unbelieveable!!

So if she drops the charges will she get it back?  Or will it go into the black hole that Aruba throws all the evidence into.  That black hole must be getting full  ::MonkeyShocked::

By the way Destiny you are doing a great job with your calls.

the three guys were beach bums!!
as in homeless... but living as bums on the beach!!
beach squatter's possibly druggies with no where to crash so they get high and hang out on the beachs.
by the way like in the scenario with natalee.
they victimize females knowing full well that they are leaving the island and wont stay to press charges.. but than came beth with all her powers ..which was not expected  of her...
the same is continuing to happen. women tourists are raped and victimized.. the police dont care and wont take it serious.. they just dont wanna be  bothered with it... theres just to much money to count.. for looking the other way!!!
Rudy croes said that joran was non grata in aruba.. I dont believe anything that comes out of their mouths.. all lies.. he could very well be there for fathers day and we dont know it.. the thailand pics could of been to throw us off ya think...
if they were serious they would make the whole bunch of sloots non grata including the kalpoes..

watch the DNA from the rape disapppear like the bodies of many did..

those idiots need a good spell of reality check ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

SS wrote;

LOL I haven't had much time to read really, I am only on page 52.  ::MonkeyEek::

It means they are friends of Renfro  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tamikosmom wrote;

Yes I agree he knew with bars closing that was likely to be the last drink, and spiked it. I actually used to think it possible that maybe the bartenders spiked the drink when given a signal of some sort by Joran. I now feel Joran was the one responsible for the drug being given.

Thanks for the additional quotes Janet. ::MonkeyWink::

I was thinking the same thing, BB.

I bet they all get away with this because the woman run back to America get the F*ck out of Aruba.
I can't believe they gave her name to you, see woman are treated like trash in Aruba.

Destiny wrote;


If I am recalling correctly Destiny didn't the manager or bar person at Moombas say she had been there partying the past three nights? If I am correct about this it would not be unusual for the woman to bring her camera with her to the bar and take pics of herself with some of the locals. She established a pattern in going there, and probably considered them friends/acquaintances. They probably thoroughly expected her to be at the bar that night. That is my guess. So ALE will say she had already known the 3 --her camera pics will prove it. The guys set her up.

HOLY SH*T who is star

Looks like it might be the same hacker that hacked into some of the Aruban websites.

Posted by SunnyInTx 8/22/2006 on LCD, brought over from RU:

Another Attempted Rape Case On Aruba

From 8/22/06 Diario


Short and sweet

A 36 ye old British woman with the B.J.L.B. reported an attempted "violation" upon her person at about 8:15 am Monday morning by a man of 5' 9" height, grey eyes and brown hair. The woman was able to fight off the purported attacker and told the police that in the struggle she had marked the mans face with scratches.
THIS IS REPORTED TO HAVE OCCURED IN THE AREA OF THE FISHERMAN HUTS.

Diario is calling on the people at the High Rise hotel - some who claim to have heard and or seen the attack to come forward with information to avoid another story that could harm tourism.

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Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2006, 04:37:03 AM »
Tracey Allen, U.S. tourist, attempted assault

“Nine days” before Holloway disappearance, she was walking just after dawn near Fisherman’s Huts. (She has a time share at the Marriott.)  A man wearing only a shirt tried to drag her into his car, which was running. She reported it to the police, gave a description and license number. Never heard back from them. When she heard (re. the Holloway case) that NH had been left near the Fisherman's Huts, she contacted FBI. On March 12, 2006, she went on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby).

http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l --
Rita: You go to the aruban authorities and you don't get any calls back from ALE?

Tracy: No, first time I was contacted the FBI took my statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 when I did the sketch

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

Tracy: I believe he was local, he had an older car, not like a newer rental car that a tourist would have.

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Woman Claims Rape Where Missing Teen Was Last Seen In Aruba
Other Vacationers Say Island Is Safe

 June 6, 2005
BOSTON -- With its year-round warmth and nearly rain-free climate, Aruba has become a vacation oasis for thousands of Massachusetts residents. But in recent days, a dark side has emerged.

NewsCenter 5's Amalia Barreda reported that a local woman said she was raped after leaving the same bar in Aruba where missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway was last seen.

"Aruba is not as safe as the commercials make it out to be," said Marie, who withheld her last name.

Marie said she made four trips to Aruba with friends and believed the island was safe. That's why she had no qualms about traveling there alone for Christmas 2001. She stayed at the same Holiday Inn where Holloway and her high school classmates booked their rooms. On Christmas Eve, Marie said she went to Carlos 'N Charlie's, the same bar where the missing Alabama teen was last seen.

When she left, Marie said a man pulled her into his car, drove away and raped her.

"As I was being pulled into vehicle, screams came out of me that I couldn't imagine ever coming out of me of me and people did nothing," said Marie.

"I have never felt threatened, felt scared. Aruba is home away from home for me and always will be," said Neely Cosentino, an Aruba homeowner.

Cosentino said she and her husband bought a second home in Aruba and spend more than half the year there. She said they made the investment because they believe the island is safe. The government does not tolerant crime because tourism is their top industry.

"Over 500,000 tourists a year visit Aruba, and if it wasn't because of us Americans, Aruba wouldn't be the way it is. So to answer your question, there is zero tolerance for anybody that is threatening or doing any damage to Americans," said Cosentino.

Marie said she managed to get away from her assailant that night. She said she did not report the attack to island police because she was alone and afraid, but mostly because she would not have been able to identify her attacker.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4576170/detail.html

I agree Bleached.

I didn't mean for everyone to stop posting here, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Just wanted to warn people about the HFTM site  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas ... why would the forum have been hacked when it is accessible for all to see?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I am clueless concerning so many aspects of the computer.

Thanks

Janet

YES I got 6 I sent them to SPAM

These hackers get their jollies out of gaining access to the site.  When they do, they have access like Admin with gives them access to emails etc. 

It has nothing to do with whether the forum is open to the public or not, it's a power thing.  The hacker gets a thrill out of gaining access and control of the forum or site. 

Blonde - I got six as well but noticed that the last 3 had links attached in the emails.  I just wanted to warn people not to click on those links.

Thanks Klaas.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Is Destiny back on the phone?
Didn't they tell her to call back in 1/2 hour.
She is amazing by the way!! ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks....I just got 5
Hackers suck.

mmmmmmm......that is weird.

you are right, he starts work june 23rd. appointment is for 6 months.

his appointment was approved last friday.

http://www.minbzk.nl/onderwerpen/de-nederlandse/114135/benoeming_3

he has been:

*judge at the Common Court Antilles/Aruba (80s, early 90s?)
*procureur general of the Antilles (before 1998)
*vice-chairman of the advisory board to the governor of the Antilles (chairman of that board is the governor himself). (at least since 1998)

*as far as i know he is still general counsel to the Bank of the Antilles.

So, by the admission of ALE and the Beach Patrol, there have been two American tourists raped on the beach within the past 10 days.  This is just outrageous.  We need to really publicize these two rapes in Washington.  I supposed the 38 year old woman was also asking for it.  American women are not safe on the crappy island. I am furious and I'm sending more emails.

I just sent an email to Senator Joe Biden who is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  I asked for official warnings for all American citizens traveling to Aruba.  The basis for my request was Natalee Holloway, drugs, thefts, and rape.  I reminded him that there is no protection for American citizens traveling to Aruba.


Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. His email is from his website at - http://biden.senate.gov/contact/  .  Follow the instructions on the webpage.  He is the senator from Delaware.  There is an email form to send messages.  If they get enough messages maybe they will pay attention.

Hi SS

The apropo (and I mean this incidentally) ~ would Mr. (Senator) Biden's daughter be holiday-in' in Aruba?

 :idea:

This was on an older monkeys page in answer to the Cromvroits being beach and hotel security:

snip:If he presently is serving as the following, I have little hope of anything being done to help.  j/b

Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).



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The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!

I'm pretty sure that Judge Witt is retired. Judge Smit should be too. He's fairly well-healed and a buddy of PvdS. I think the two may be in cahoots with money laundering in the Caribbean.


The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands (prior to Judgeship on Curacao)

This Rick Smid is the same Judge Smid who let Joran out of jail along with the Kalpoes and Freddy during Hurricane Katrina. If anyone would, he would know the ins and outs of money laundering, afterall he was the keynote speaker on money laundering at the Carribean Financial Task Force.

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
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Does anyone remember what happened to her?

Someone asked a question about the DNA one day.  I don't remember if it was ever answered.
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http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,164175,00.html

Court: No DNA in Natalee Case
Saturday, July 30, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

A court ruled Friday that DNA samples collected from the Dutch youth jailed in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and one of his friends could not be used in a case against them.

No one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search), who disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. No trace of her has been found.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, the only person who remains jailed in the case, has admitted he spent part of the evening with her. He has said through his family and lawyers that he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

The court ruled Friday that prosecutors did not clarify what his DNA samples would be compared with, but said the prosecution could request new DNA samples from van der Sloot if they had documents clarifying what would be used in the comparison.

In the case of Satish Kalpoe (search), van der Sloot's friend who was jailed and then released in the case, the court ruled there was not enough evidence to warrant using the tests.

Also Friday, police and a volunteer group from Texas searched a landfill in hopes of finding clues about what happened to Holloway. Edwin Comenencia, the police spokesman, declined to say what prompted the search.

"So far they have found nothing," he said.

Van der Sloot is the only person detained as a suspect in the case. Satish, 18, and his 21-year-old brother Deepak Kalpoe (search), were previously held and released.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., vanished after an evening at a nightclub that she left with the three young men, hours before she was to fly home at the end of the trip with 124 classmates.

Good morning Bearlyhere and Johan…This is from the Dr. Phil Log from around that time….there isn’t anyone else on the Log that may have been her…maybe another Monkey can eliminate one of these...sorry, a little fuzzy and just catching up this morning!

File #: 2005.08.31.2198/1046
Name: Not Stated (tip line call)
Date: 27 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Edwin Jacinto Comenencia
Description: tip about a jogger in the Raquet Club area

Name: Amanda Portocarrero
Date: 28 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soerners
Description: witness statement

Name: Judith Geerman
Date: 29 July 2005
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Catching up…I believe these were 2 of the girls that complained about being drugged and the involuntary sex, that Beth had referred to and no charges were ever acted on. Carmen may have been the third.    Dennis Jacobs???


Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

TJ Ward had identified a lady in the new construction area around the racquet club, that identified the car by the lights.  I think she later changed her mind.  Here is a partial description by TJ Ward.:

T.J. WARD, P.I. FOR HOLLOWAY TWITTY FAMILY: Well, one of the things that I figure that the witness that I found saw the car that was used in the disappearance and on the 28th, 29th and 30th. And it just seemed a little strange to me that a week later the same car shows up three or four times in the same area around that pond.

Those boys were there looking for something. And there's a good possibility that the body could be buried, because there was very, very little water in there around the 29th and 30th of May, and shortly before the storm hit and the hurricane, that's what caused all the water to be there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/27/lkl.01.html

I actually think the jogger was a totally different witness.

Thanks Buckeye...So some-one saw the jogger, and there was a female witness and the gardener that saw them near the Racquet Club.

Also three Racquet Club employees questioned and Sanchez the HI/Racquet Club coach asked for something to be returned from ALE, if in fact that witness is Sanchez and not Sanches!!!

I don't believe Judge Witt is retired.  Rather, he was elevated to the Caribbean Court of Justice on June 1, 2005, right before Natalee went missing.  Makes me question if he had jurisdiction to involve himself in a local case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html

Thanks, Buckeye.

Thanks Pita....I always questioned that as well, but I have read that he was working both courts! There was a link posted in the Shango thread by JE a while back on all the Judges, but I couldn't get past the first page of Dutch! Maybe Johan or caesu can help explain the process for us?

But what about what Dave said in his book about the bartenders having a special bottle labled women only?I still think there is a possibility that a bartender or 2 from C&C's was drugging females.....for a price.Afterall,joran did have a special VIP pass to get in underaged.I think paulus arranged for that free pass,just like in the casinos,for his underaged son.

Thanks for the info Caesu.
So for each island(aruba,bonair etc)there is a governor and then the rest of the political group.....then there is also another governer/group that oversees the Antilles?Or is aruba also known as the Antilles?

Thank you Bearly!
I have been looking for this interview for a while now.I think this was a witness Art(?)found who later said she would not give a statement.

Be careful what you wish for!

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/30/earlyshow/main802484.shtml

Suspect's Kin Answer Natalee's
PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 30, 2005

(CBS) Paul and Anita van der Sloot's dream is to have their son home.

In an exclusive interview with CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella, Anita says, "We want him to go on with his life."

Joran van der Sloot, 18, has been held since early June in the May 30 disappearance from Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran hasn't been charged, but authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island have named him a suspect in the case.

His parents say the only thing established for sure is that Joran was with Natalee the night she vanished, and they stand by his insistence that he didn't hurt her.

Prosecutors have to notify Joran's attorney if they plan to ask a judge to hold him for 30 more days. As of Monday night, it hadn't happened. A hearing is set for Wednesday, and Joran could be set free.

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, says she's convinced Joran is guilty and that Paul, a one-time judge in training, is helping Joran get away with it.

Paul denies it, saying, "We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to tell the truth."

From the beginning, Cobiella says, Joran has been the main suspect, and the primary focus of prosecutors and the press. Anita accuses both of following bad leads and spreading rumors, instead of looking for the truth.

But she's most upset with Holloway's family for attacking her son and husband on television.

"I think what the family is doing is terrible," Anita says. "I don't think it's their right to do these things like this. I know they must be upset."

The van der Sloots have chosen to defend themselves only sporadically until now, because they blame the U.S. media for making their son look guilty.

"News should be based on facts," Anita says. "If not, it's a show … to damage people, to slander people. That is no news, no news at all."

But the van der Sloots agree with Holloway's family on this: The investigation was botched from the beginning and, they add, that they also desperately want the mystery solved.

"If Natalee is never found," Paul says, "it will always, always hit our lives, not only the lives of the Holloways, but also our lives."

The van der Sloots have an angel in their home they keep lit for Natalee, but right now their focus is on their own child.

"Our goal is to get Joran back," Anita says. "I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough."
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Hi Mommy!  I'm home!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108-1.jpg)

Did your dream come true, mommy?  Just like you taught me--not to hide anything.  That big bad American media stopped making me look guilty.  I'm in the Dutch media now where news is based on fact so there is no show, it's the real me.  Your goal has been realized, your sporter is back!  Aren't you happy Daddy?

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108.jpg)

                                 Mom are you home?

                                  I'll be right there dear.

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/ladywithtp.jpg)

there is a governor for Aruba.
http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=default

and a governor for the Antilles (Curaçao, Bonaire, St. Maarten, Saba, St. Eustatius).
http://www.gouverneur.an/index.php?lang=en

there is a OM on Aruba with a procureur general.
and a OM on the Antilles with a procureur general.

but Aruba and the Antilles share a Higher Court on Curaçao.

but next year it is all going to change.
Curaçao and St. Maarten are also getting status aparte just as Aruba.
so then i think there are three governors.
maybe also three OM and three procureur generals but maybe Curaçao and St. Maarten will continue to share the OM.

they will continue to share the Higher Court. Rudy Croes wants this moved to Aruba.
or allow the Higher Court to have sessions on Aruba.
because he doesn't like that Arubans have to go to Curaçao for appeals.

Bonaire, Saba ans St. Eustatius become special Dutch municipalities.
so they become something like a overseas Dutch town.
they are then part of the European Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles#Future_status

You're welcome.  I didn't remember what happened after this.

Bearly  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Who is the governor of Aruba?  TIA

Fredis Refunjol
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fredis Refunjol is the current governor of Aruba. Governor Refunjol was born in Aruba in 1950, and is married to Clarette Lopez. Together they have two daughters and one son. Mr. Refunjol assumed the office of Governor on May 1, 2004. The debate by Aruban Parliament regarding the nomination of Mr. Refunjol for Governor stood out, because his nomination was supported unanimously. At that time, he already had a long political career behind him. In his last position, he acted as the Minister of Education and Administrative Affairs, as well as Deputy Prime Minister. Mr. Refunjol also was the informateur (politician who investigates on behalf of the Crown whether a proposed cabinet formation will succeed) during the formation of the Cabinets Oduber I and II, and he was the formateur of Cabinet Oduber III.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredis_Refunjol

Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...

I vote a "that a boy" call to Dr. Phil....just to let him know we are thinking about the case....well, and maybe any gossip, he may want to share. 

Maybe you should use one of those walmart, pay as you go, untraceable phones.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny - don't pay attention to them!  Do you mean BFN (Blogs for Natalee) or BNH (Bring Natalee Home?).  If it's BFN I can post there and let them know you are for real (not that they listen to me, lol).

Destiny who cares, They only wish they had the nerve to call.   ::MonkeyCool::

I will...someone is getting the # for the head Lawyer handling the suit case for me...hint...hint...

Destiny

It's Blogs For Natalee...BFN....sheesh....They/whomever can do their own follow-up calls based in the info posted here...

Bearlyhere ... the declaraction of the pond witness went "poof".  Something akin to the declaration of the gardener ... something akin to the declarations of the girls who claimed they were drugged and assaulted by Joran van der Sloot ...

Janet

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THE POND WITNESS

TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005

T.J. WARD, INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY NATALEE`S FAMILY: Well, I don`t know how she could change her story because when I took her statement from her, she described a car to a T. And then about 30 minutes later, I came back with a picture from law enforcement that was used when they took the -- Deepak`s car into custody and took pictures of it. And she specifically said, That`s the car. That`s the car that I saw a week after the 28th -- I mean, the 29th and 30th of May, that was seen three times in the subdivision of the racquet club, where she lives, and was around the subdivision ...

The funny thing about this is if the gardener`s story is correct ...  then this, in fact, would put this in the vicinity where it`s happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006  

TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


THE GARDENER

Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005

COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.