Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09

[Tamikosmom]

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 

Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him.

http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe 

  Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake

There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing? 

The name after myspace.com/........  concerns me.  shortcake

Shortcake

I agree.  A certain aspect of a this young man charater is revealed in that myspace name and ... then when you consider the attempted rape allegation of a 12 year old girl ...

 

Janet

[Leroy]

LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
..
LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
...
Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
...
And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
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I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
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Kat - i dont know the answer to your question but i agree with the last statement.  If this kid is innocent then lets move on right?!  Why be so angry that your house was searched and nothing was found? I feel bad this happened to the family however I dont understand them filing a lawsuit.  If everyone innocent person in any case has their property searched, and nothing was found, and they all filed lawsuits, then LE will be so cautious about doing it and if my child goes missing I certainly hope LE doesn't hold back in fear they could be sued.

OOPs, self edit

[doubledecker]

I know DD is saying no but posting this anyway.  This WAS from earlier tonight.  This is where the POI came from:

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http://www.komonews.com/

Why would DD object to a KOMO media report being posted on the forum?

I do not understand.

Janet

I did not object to that at all TM... I just said he was no longer a POI or SUSPECT, and all Klass did was post one of the older videos to show where it had been said earlier that he was one.  I know for a fact he was one and I know it was in the news.  That is a fact.  Klass was just showing that some of the news HAD SAID he was a POI.  It had nothing to do with my objecting to anything.  why in the world would I object to having a news article or video posted that HAD said he was a POI.  We all know he WAD one at THAT time.

[Northern Rose]

DD, is this you???

 
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
 
 
A newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.

Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

 
http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

I had not heard about the change in cell phone activity until this article.

[Leroy]

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

doubledecker - do you recall the situation about the judge and a conflict with dale?  I've looked and cant find it.  thanks.

[Tamikosmom]

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet

[doubledecker]

Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake

I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to check him out.  Cuz if what we've heard about him lately is true, a boy scout he ain't.  And if true, seems there is wayyyyy too much IMO, to cover up, rearrange, explain away, make excuses for.  Sigh. 

If one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply to LE was all there was against him, then I really wouldn't look sideways at him, and doubt that LE would either.  But it doesn't seem to be JUST one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply.  My gosh!  Each day we're reading about more.. and more.. and more.. When does it stop?  How much don't we know that he may have done/said? 

I honestly hope that he had nothing to do with Lindsey's having gone missing.  But this one bears looking into, no matter who he is.  If I had read this (for example) about a son of a mayor, high sheriff, even a pastor, it would be the same for me.  I'd want him checked out thoroughly. 

Just my thoughts on it.  For now.  Til we learn more. 
   

Wyks, he has been checked, checked, and rechecked.

Leroy, no pool.

Janet, no objection about the news on kono, just knew it wasn't the latest.

Tracygirl, o/t hope all is well with hubby.

there IS a pool sister, you must not have been around when this was talked about.  They do have a POOL... however, the pool is NOT FOR SWIMMING.  they store water in it because their well goes dry in the summer. It is used for WATER STORAGE ONLY... but there IS one there.  You probably did not know that sister because it is not a "SWIMMING" pool in the sense that anyone ever swims in it.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Was there a pool at Dales house?

Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.

[no rose colored glasses]

LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
..
LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
...
Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
...
And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
..
I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
..

Or maybe this guy just has incredibly bad luck  I don't know, I'm just going to sit back and watch this play out, but again I'm suspicious of this guy, but I'm a suspicious type of person, so that really doesn't mean much 

[Leroy]

Was there a pool at Dales house?

Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.

thanks Karma - well that changes my thoughts.

[Northern Rose]

I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet

Is the FBI still involved?

[Northern Rose]

Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake

I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to check him out.  Cuz if what we've heard about him lately is true, a boy scout he ain't.  And if true, seems there is wayyyyy too much IMO, to cover up, rearrange, explain away, make excuses for.  Sigh. 

If one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply to LE was all there was against him, then I really wouldn't look sideways at him, and doubt that LE would either.  But it doesn't seem to be JUST one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply.  My gosh!  Each day we're reading about more.. and more.. and more.. When does it stop?  How much don't we know that he may have done/said? 

I honestly hope that he had nothing to do with Lindsey's having gone missing.  But this one bears looking into, no matter who he is.  If I had read this (for example) about a son of a mayor, high sheriff, even a pastor, it would be the same for me.  I'd want him checked out thoroughly. 

Just my thoughts on it.  For now.  Til we learn more. 
   

Wyks, he has been checked, checked, and rechecked.

Leroy, no pool.

Janet, no objection about the news on kono, just knew it wasn't the latest.

Tracygirl, o/t hope all is well with hubby.

there IS a pool sister, you must not have been around when this was talked about.  They do have a POOL... however, the pool is NOT FOR SWIMMING.  they store water in it because their well goes dry in the summer. It is used for WATER STORAGE ONLY... but there IS one there.  You probably did not know that sister because it is not a "SWIMMING" pool in the sense that anyone ever swims in it.

I missed when this was being talked about as well.  They have an above ground pool?  Do they fill it with well water?  When do they usually fill it and empty it?

[no rose colored glasses]

Was there a pool at Dales house?

Good question    I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy 

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.

Thanks, I do remember that now. I'm concerned about what it says in the SW and his telephone calls, seems odd. Again, I will sit back and wait, but I do have to say this doesn't look good. And also now I am even more curious about the porno mags that were taken out of the house, and the vibrator  I would just like to know if this guy is being set up, why? Who in that town has a vendetta on the family?

[shortcake]

Lots of chatter sisters, I believe this to be healthy.  Why not just clear this dude and move on???  shortcake

[Northern Rose]

Police probe conflicting alibis in Baum case

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

"(The person said) that his behavior had changed since the day of the disappearance. He had not come around as much," said Sgt. Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

But what really sparked the detective's interest is what the young man allegedly told his girlfriend the day after Lindsey disappeared.

"(He) told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," according to the search warrant.

At that point, however, even detectives didn't believe Lindsey had been a victim of a crime.

"The media and investigators did not believe that Baum was a victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance," the document said.

"For somebody to make a statement of that nature the following day of this disappearance, it is very unusual," Shumate said.

Detectives have not found any evidence to indicate the missing girl is no longer alive.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't
been there in weeks.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.

Among the Items seized were two sex toys, several used condoms, a bag of children's clothing, computers, bed sheets, blankets, and a newspaper with a story about Lindsey.

Anxious mother, searchers not giving up hope

Back at search headquarters, waiting is torture for Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum. But on Friday, Melissa was hopeful after learning police have a person of interest.

"I'm hoping they'll find her and give her back," she said.

Three months and one week after her 11-year-old daughter vanished on her walk home, locals are determined not to let up on the hunt for clues.

"It could happen to anyone, and (I) hope they'd be there for me, too," said Rebecca Watts.

Volunteers from all over the region, from Packwood to Seattle have joined in the search. Jen Page is a mother who drove 90 miles to help look for Lindsey.

"I can easily imagine how how hard it is, and this is the least I can do," she said.

Searchers plan to continue looking for the missing girl throughout the weekend.

Some staff members of "The Oprah Show" met with Melissa Baum on Friday, but it is not yet known for certain whether the case will receive national coverage.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

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This answers my FBI question.

[Recovering-Lurker]

Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

[doubledecker]

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.  Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search, which was approved by a judge who has a personal conflict with the person. 

This stuff all needs to be cleared up... I have every confidence it will be.  I believe someone finally figured it all out and this is the very reason he is no longer a poi. 

I wish I had more time to explain all of this more clearly etc., but I don't, I did all I could do to try to help right this wrong.  I now need to get back to trying to get back to what I was doing before all of this happened.  If I see something posted that I know is a quick answer and it might help, I will answer it, but I can't keep focusing on this.  It's over in my mind, and I have to get back to the searching for lindsey part, and to the exposing a few things having to do with what I believe connects to some people who might actually be involved in Lindsey's disappearance.
 

[Tamikosmom]

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

I had not heard about the change in cell phone activity until this article.

I know that pattern of cell phone activity was one avenue of investigation in the Caylee Marie Anthony case.

Janet

+++++++

Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf

[AZSunny]

I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 

[Recovering-Lurker]

This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

Uh huh, sure.  All of the things against him are incorrect?  Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling.  I don't know how you can even defend him at this time.  I feel bad for his mom, but this guy has serious issues, and it's only going to get worse for him.

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 

Janet

It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.  Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search, which was approved by a judge who has a personal conflict with the person. 

This stuff all needs to be cleared up... I have every confidence it will be.  I believe someone finally figured it all out and this is the very reason he is no longer a poi. 

I wish I had more time to explain all of this more clearly etc., but I don't, I did all I could do to try to help right this wrong.  I now need to get back to trying to get back to what I was doing before all of this happened.  If I see something posted that I know is a quick answer and it might help, I will answer it, but I can't keep focusing on this.  It's over in my mind, and I have to get back to the searching for lindsey part, and to the exposing a few things having to do with what I believe connects to some people who might actually be involved in Lindsey's disappearance.